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Apr 05 09:39:06 <AStorm> hello, is this alive after 12 years? how can I upgrade the old n810 still?
Apr 05 09:39:23 <AStorm> dusted it off and it still... somewhat works
Apr 05 09:39:43 <AStorm> needs an SD card in the miniSD adapter though, and I cannot find one right now
Apr 05 09:44:16 <AStorm> it has OS 2008 ancient history on it
Apr 05 09:45:51 <sixwheeledbeast> I know very little about the n810 but someone may do
Apr 05 09:45:53 <AStorm> got the flasher and stuff, but is there anything actually new for this ancient hardware
Apr 05 09:46:37 <AStorm> of course tablets-dev.nokia.com is long gone
Apr 05 09:47:33 <AStorm> repository seems to end in 2013
Apr 05 09:48:01 <AStorm> original catalogue is gone too
Apr 05 09:48:19 <AStorm> but repository.maemo.org still exists
Apr 05 09:48:58 <AStorm> I'll check what's on it, chinook, gregale, diablo or fremantle
Apr 05 09:49:12 <sixwheeledbeast> I wouldn't think so. lots of infra was broken when microsoft took over nokia the community have kept what they could working
Apr 05 09:49:44 <bencoh> n810 most probably runs diablo
Apr 05 09:49:52 <sixwheeledbeast> ~n810
Apr 05 09:50:08 <bencoh> as for repository.maemo.org, it doesn't host any of the "base" repositories
Apr 05 09:50:11 <sixwheeledbeast> diablo sounds right
Apr 05 09:50:13 <bencoh> (apart from sdk stuff)
Apr 05 09:50:42 <bencoh> unfortunately I never mirrored diablo, but afair a few maemo members did back then
Apr 05 09:51:15 <AStorm> there's this ancient history: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/diablo/
Apr 05 09:51:29 <AStorm> of course if mer or anything else is more recommended for this old hardware, I'm game
Apr 05 09:51:36 <AStorm> the device has the alternate custom initramfs
Apr 05 09:51:44 <AStorm> or was it bootloader
Apr 05 09:51:46 <AStorm> one with a menu
Apr 05 09:52:01 <bencoh> mer won't run there
Apr 05 09:52:22 <bencoh> 128MB ram will probably be short for maemo-leste as well
Apr 05 09:52:58 <bencoh> although I wonder how short
Apr 05 09:53:06 <sixwheeledbeast> pmOS ?
Apr 05 09:53:16 <bencoh> maybe pmOS yeah :)
Apr 05 09:53:26 <AStorm> looks like chinook is on it, at least that's what set in repositories
Apr 05 09:53:28 <bencoh> with some really lightweight wm
Apr 05 09:53:49 <bencoh> AStorm: I'd backup everything I could first
Apr 05 09:53:50 <AStorm> pmOS would be fine if it fits
Apr 05 09:53:59 <sixwheeledbeast> anyway to make leste lighter?
Apr 05 09:54:05 <AStorm> oh it is backed up all right somewhere, can back it up more
Apr 05 09:54:19 <bencoh> sixwheeledbeast: how much does leste actually take at boot?
Apr 05 09:54:28 <bencoh> (after a fresh boot I mean)
Apr 05 09:54:42 <AStorm> so, flasher can do full backup right?
Apr 05 09:55:29 <bencoh> full as in "drop full mmc/nand image here and I'll flash it back"? doubt it, but dunno
Apr 05 09:55:35 <sixwheeledbeast> no idea
Apr 05 09:55:37 <bencoh> well, it can flash alright
Apr 05 09:55:49 <bencoh> but I doubt there is an easy way to make such an image
Apr 05 09:58:45 <AStorm> mmm I think it either needs a cable or initramfs, let's see a reboot
Apr 05 09:58:52 <AStorm> I even have Opera 10.1 beta on it :3
Apr 05 09:59:33 <AStorm> ha I still remember the magic key combo
Apr 05 10:03:55 <AStorm> wow I have mer on this too
Apr 05 10:04:53 <AStorm> however the standard cable I have is not compatible with flasher - I have the nokia cable but elsewhere
Apr 05 10:18:08 <sixwheeledbeast> Probably just a charging cable with the data pins shorted
Apr 05 10:25:10 <AStorm> anyway flasher cannot make a backup, I'll have to get here some Linux
Apr 05 10:26:48 <AStorm> hmm the device is "seen" but not by flasher
Apr 05 10:27:35 <AStorm> looks like Nokia BB5 ADL loader
Apr 05 10:59:13 <sicelo> is it armhf/armv7? if not, pmOS won't work
Apr 05 11:08:48 <AStorm> it can run armv7
Apr 05 11:09:04 <AStorm> it's TI OMAP 2xxx some number
Apr 05 11:09:36 <AStorm> TI OMAP 2420 specifically, 128 MB ram
Apr 05 11:11:58 <AStorm> oof, I think it's armv6 with Thumb 2
Apr 05 11:12:24 <AStorm> as in ARM1136 or something with PowerVR
Apr 05 11:14:28 <AStorm> it does have hard fpu.
Apr 05 11:14:40 <AStorm> so it's armhf I suppose
Apr 05 11:15:09 <AStorm> however, it's armv6 with hard fpu, not armv7; it does not support thumb 2
Apr 05 11:15:14 <sicelo> anyway isn't like pmOS is any efficient. it just should be lighter than Leste because it doesn't force you to use hildon ... for that RAM, I suppose only choice would be something like i3 (unless you're lucky xfce works)
Apr 05 11:15:30 <AStorm> old matchbox perhaps, like mer
Apr 05 11:15:49 <sicelo> iirc alpine (on which pmOS is based) dropped armv6 long ago
Apr 05 11:16:02 <AStorm> I could always gentoo it up
Apr 05 11:16:30 <AStorm> the big trick is kernel and powervr mbx lite driver
Apr 05 11:16:40 <AStorm> potentially GPS driver too
Apr 05 11:16:55 <sicelo> or debian (devuan) :)
Apr 05 11:17:54 <AStorm> the CPU is supported even in linux 5
Apr 05 11:18:04 <sicelo> https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Unsupported_Devices
Apr 05 11:20:08 <AStorm> yeah I think OMAP 2420 might be supported enough as it's v6 hardfp
Apr 05 11:21:37 <AStorm> albeit it's faster with as little fp as possible
Apr 05 11:50:33 <AStorm> I think the setup for Nokia N9 would work
Apr 05 11:51:12 <AStorm> that one had OMAP 3630
Apr 05 22:57:06 <Oksana> Stellarium! https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-04-02/april-sky-guide-super-pink-moon-and-cosmic-ladder-of-planets/12102992 Nice to see open-source software being featured so in a news article.
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