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Aug 07 12:22:02 <sicelo> is it just me or is Fremantle a million times better for VoIP/SIP calls than Android?
Aug 07 12:22:50 <sicelo> or maybe I just cannot find a good application and/or settings on Android 8?
Aug 07 12:25:24 <KotCzarny> newer androids are similar to windows8
Aug 07 12:25:40 <KotCzarny> shiny, yet big and clunky
Aug 07 12:26:05 <KotCzarny> they went downhill after android 4 or 5
Aug 07 12:26:34 <KotCzarny> basically you are running a node of google's network and you pay for it
Aug 07 12:28:24 <sixwheeledbeast> Well SIP over jabber worked out the box for Maemo with default messaging stuff. Not really used others. Bit flaky now, i think it's cert issues.
Aug 07 12:29:56 <KotCzarny> and i think you add voip/sip in 'accounts' part of android's settings
Aug 07 12:32:54 <KotCzarny> ahm, no. settings -> call callings -> phone account settings
Aug 07 12:33:06 <KotCzarny> i knew it had 'account' in the name tho :)
Aug 07 12:35:49 <sicelo> i can't find that KotCzarny 
Aug 07 12:36:16 <sicelo> i also would have expected to have such setting
Aug 07 12:36:26 <KotCzarny> which android version?
Aug 07 12:37:32 <sicelo> 8
Aug 07 12:38:13 <sicelo> hehe, https://forums.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-s7-edge/695673-sip-settings-missing-samsung-s7-s7-edge.html
Aug 07 12:39:00 <KotCzarny> heh
Aug 07 12:39:04 <KotCzarny> castrated ?
Aug 07 12:39:42 <sicelo> it would appear so
Aug 07 12:43:15 <sicelo> although i guess what's worse with mine is that this is the Sprint version
Aug 07 12:43:37 <KotCzarny> reflash with stock?
Aug 07 12:46:46 <sicelo> stock? you mean like LineageOS? the Sprint S7 is locked tigher than the world's most secure prison :'(
Aug 07 12:46:57 <KotCzarny> no, the unbranded firmware
Aug 07 12:47:43 <KotCzarny> most phones can be put into flashing mode by holding buttons during poweron
Aug 07 12:48:02 <sicelo> i wonder if that will work :-/
Aug 07 12:48:19 <sicelo> sounds dangerous :p
Aug 07 12:48:23 <KotCzarny> it is
Aug 07 12:48:24 <KotCzarny> :)
Aug 07 12:48:34 <KotCzarny> i mean flashing, not just putting boot in flashing mode
Aug 07 12:49:06 <KotCzarny> often requires finding proper image, as phones differ by regions and features
Aug 07 12:49:34 <sicelo> i think i must just exchange this phone for something else one day. it was a gift from a friend who stayed here with us from America. he wanted me to be one WhatsApp :-D
Aug 07 12:56:05 <sicelo> that workaround mentioned on the page seems to be working .. at least i can reach the SIP setting now
Aug 07 16:07:31 <brolin_empey> sicelo: Android 4 and later include SIP support but the SIP support is often crippled by Android distributors, in which case the gratis version of ZoiPer (from the Google Play Store) seems to work well as a SIP client.
Aug 07 16:22:17 <sicelo> zoiper hasn't worked reliably for me (i tried it)
Aug 07 16:23:04 <sicelo> what i do now is use the s7 as hotspot for n900. this setup works perfectly
Aug 07 16:24:16 <brolin_empey> ACK.