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Oct 04 06:36:31 <user_____> i shutdown n900 using the hardware key when it was playing a loud sound that couldn't be turned off. now it would ask for the lock key and then get stuck in the loading page. if i take out the battery and put it there again it would boot, but not for the second time if i reboot after that.
Oct 04 06:36:36 <user_____> could a process be opened, with the upper-hannd program giving it's input, and reading its output at the same time?
Oct 04 07:21:00 <KotCzarny> yes
Oct 04 07:21:48 <untakenstupidnic> oops, re-sent the wrong message
Oct 04 07:22:11 <untakenstupidnic> fsck from leste says nothing is wrong with the partitions. i have flashed it once and don't want to install everything again. if the problem is figured out, i could restore my previous backups.
Oct 04 07:24:09 <untakenstupidnic> it seems like it is something trivial that could be solved if some knowledge of what maemo does at boot is involved.
Oct 04 08:13:12 <KotCzarny> you know its a linux?
Oct 04 08:13:22 <KotCzarny> and you know you can see through scripts yourself?
Oct 04 08:27:10 <sixwheeledbeast> I cant work out what's wrong. leste boots but maemo doesn't? :shrug: no idea
Oct 04 08:27:38 <sixwheeledbeast> or the sound thing never heard of that
Oct 04 08:52:58 <untakenstupidnic> KotCzarny, yes. but i don't know everything about maemo and not everything is in the scripts and there is so much of it to study. how do i know what happens with a physical shutdown that will not damage the hardware but lock the boot (but still loading enough to bring a keypad for you to enter the password and it is solved for the first after you take out the battery but not for the times afer?
Oct 04 08:54:03 <untakenstupidnic> that is black magic, i need to know a lot in order to solve it even though it is not a critical problem.
Oct 04 08:54:28 <sixwheeledbeast> do you know the lock code?
Oct 04 08:54:49 <sixwheeledbeast> ~lockcode
Oct 04 08:54:49 <infobot> [lockcode] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=524522#post524522
Oct 04 08:56:37 <sixwheeledbeast> It's advised to know the lock code because you could "secure device" and then be locked out
Oct 04 09:23:52 <untakenstupidnic> sixwheeledbeast, i know the lock code and i enter it and it is accepted. it just stays on the screen with dots forever after that
Oct 04 09:25:54 <sixwheeledbeast> ~bootloop
Oct 04 09:25:54 <infobot> bootloop is probably when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device.
Oct 04 09:28:10 <untakenstupidnic> ~rescueOS
Oct 04 09:28:10 <infobot> [rescueos] http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/
Oct 04 10:25:42 <untakenstupidnic> what is a common reason games fail to initialize their windows in maemo leste? (i am using allegro5 as backend if that helps) 
Oct 04 10:51:05 <sicelo> so i might be the only one who doesn't game on his devices :p
Oct 04 10:54:06 <bencoh> even I tried a bit :)
Oct 04 11:40:11 <sixwheeledbeast> what's a game?
Oct 04 11:48:16 <sixwheeledbeast> touch rarely lends itself to anything more than mind-numbing constant interaction type "games"
Oct 04 11:49:51 <bencoh> n900 has a keyboard ;)
Oct 04 11:50:40 <sixwheeledbeast> 2048 is probably the only thing I can think of with some skill. Oh and if anyone wants to port that to leste best to use the upstream 2048-qt version not the qml version I hacked from harmattan to work in maemo.
Oct 04 11:51:03 <bencoh> tbh my game experience would have probably been better had I found the gamepad-like rubbermade keyboard cap
Oct 04 11:51:41 <bencoh> Oh, talking about 2048 and n900, I think our version had some kind of "bug"
Oct 04 11:51:47 <sixwheeledbeast> those clip over gamepad things where expensive for what they were
Oct 04 11:51:53 <bencoh> at least I think it didn't behave like the original one
Oct 04 11:52:22 <sixwheeledbeast> yes it's not right hence why I say use 2048-qt
Oct 04 11:52:28 <bencoh> ah :)
Oct 04 11:53:46 <sixwheeledbeast> Someone ported it to harmattan and I messed about and packaged that version for fremantle
Oct 04 11:54:59 <sixwheeledbeast> It has a tendency to only place new tiles top right IIRC, it's not the orignial code it's some qml rewrite.
Oct 04 11:56:53 <bencoh> I think it was supposed to give 2,4(,8?) in a random fashion
Oct 04 11:57:13 <bencoh> which made the game much "harder" (read: unpredictible) at some point
Oct 04 11:57:28 <bencoh> but I might be wrong, that was years ago :)
Oct 04 11:57:35 <sixwheeledbeast> yer that also seems correct, its slightly easier in a couple of ways
Oct 04 11:57:43 <bencoh> (the original one was harder, I meant)
Oct 04 11:57:53 <sixwheeledbeast> :nod:
Oct 04 11:59:11 <sixwheeledbeast> 2048-qt in ubuntu repos seems to work like the original that's using 5.9.5
Oct 04 11:59:32 <bencoh> 5.9.5?
Oct 04 11:59:39 <sixwheeledbeast> qt
Oct 04 12:00:25 <sixwheeledbeast> I suppose the issue is if it supports touch as on PC you use arrows
Oct 04 12:08:14 <untakenstupidnic> sixwheeledbeast: this is what i wanted to port https://github.com/abakh/flappy-2048-nobrowser
Oct 04 12:09:40 <untakenstupidnic> also gaming with n900 is one of the finest experiences with a GBA emulator
Oct 04 12:15:02 <sixwheeledbeast> I have no idea about Allegro or it's support, seems unnecessary
Oct 04 12:32:18 <sicelo> does anyone remember if voice calls were working in Nemo Mobile back then? (I could possibly download images and test, but ... downloads cost me)
Oct 04 12:42:08 <sicelo> nemo wiki seems to have a problem currently
Oct 04 12:50:06 <sicelo> http://web.archive.org/web/2016*/https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Status/Matrix
Oct 04 13:36:33 <Wizzup> yeah, we're looking at their PA stack
Oct 04 14:58:19 <bencoh> sicelo: it worked at some point
Oct 04 14:58:40 <bencoh> I think they even released an image with everything working apart from the battery
Oct 04 14:58:58 <bencoh> but unfortunately I think I missed that release
Oct 04 14:59:16 <bencoh> (and for some obscure reason they didn't like to keep stable images around .... not enough at least)
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