**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 05 02:59:57 2020 Dec 05 06:08:34 sunshavi: do you know anyone who could work on davinci accelerated gstreamer or mplayer for omap4? Dec 05 11:24:17 talk.maemo.org down for you? Dec 05 11:29:59 seems down Dec 05 11:30:08 xes, warfare ^ Dec 05 11:34:13 http down Dec 05 11:34:16 https works Dec 05 11:34:18 funny Dec 05 11:36:19 i get bad-bot-blocked from a lot of places Dec 05 11:37:34 * clort ponders this Dec 05 11:37:47 i could set up a http proxy on another box i guess. never did that Dec 05 11:48:08 or use vpn Dec 05 11:54:32 vpn is the problem. one exit point is blocked by site/service A but not by B Dec 05 11:55:05 but i could set up http proxy just for tmo Dec 05 11:59:16 well, that thing apparently hates tor anyway as well Dec 05 13:43:20 http://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/keylay.png Anyone happen to know what N900 key layout this is? Dec 05 13:44:20 probably main reason I don't get along with my N900 is the layout not matching anything that came with my firmware Dec 05 13:44:52 cant you change key layout in settings? Dec 05 13:45:10 I did, none match it Dec 05 13:45:21 I prbably have to edit mapping file Dec 05 13:45:25 *probably Dec 05 13:45:45 or find matching one Dec 05 14:01:15 suffice to say, I am not eager about editing, without knowing what I'm doing Dec 05 14:01:32 especially since article warns of phone brick Dec 05 14:01:40 *keyboard editing article Dec 05 14:03:05 ~remap Dec 05 14:03:08 ~ping Dec 05 14:03:08 1 packet transmitted, 1 packet received, 0.0% packet loss Dec 05 14:03:12 ~keyremap Dec 05 14:03:12 well, keyremap is http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard Dec 05 14:03:32 you shouldnt worry, there is always rescueos Dec 05 14:03:36 ~rescueos Dec 05 14:03:36 somebody said rescueos was http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ Dec 05 14:28:52 evol: manaworld 30fps on droid4 \o/ https://0x0.st/ihzQ.png Dec 05 18:45:35 is anyone interested in microsd IOPS test results Dec 05 18:45:52 i have over 1000 runs here of over 20 cards Dec 05 19:14:56 You could put the info on wmo with the others? Dec 05 19:15:15 I am pretty sure there was a tmo thread or wmo page on that. Dec 05 20:02:06 k Dec 05 20:02:19 pretty wild the differences. Dec 05 20:03:27 about 2150 tests so far, on 28 cards, 6 filesystems and 3 different usb3 sd adapters Dec 05 20:03:41 along with some tests on internal card reader Dec 05 20:04:17 what's a bit dismaying is how far below rated IOPS the new 'A2' cards are Dec 05 20:05:50 well actuall 12900 tests Dec 05 21:36:46 heh, that's a bit unexpected :p Dec 05 21:37:29 clort: google the armbian sdcard benchmarks Dec 05 21:38:11 and yeah a2 class is quite a failure Dec 05 21:41:52 (for completeness, i was referring to doc's name change) Dec 05 22:55:08 where can I find list of key names to use in rx-51? Dec 05 22:55:51 also, I hope it's not sensitive to tab->space conversion Dec 05 22:58:33 This is what I use, which should cover all ASCII keycodes, if that's what you mean: https://gist.github.com/Maxdamantus/1a1045809721472d9342a78967ffca3a#file-gistfile1-txt-L438 Dec 05 22:58:47 all printable ASCII keycodes. Dec 05 22:59:15 ah, gracias Dec 05 22:59:27 the names are case sensitive, right? Dec 05 22:59:36 I would expect so. Dec 05 22:59:55 Because otherwise you wouldn't be able to distinguish between `a` and `A` Dec 05 23:02:34 I wish it were convenient to change the layout printed on the keys Dec 05 23:04:30 that is, diy keypad Dec 05 23:05:10 Its official. The USB port on my N900 has finally died. Getting it fixed is likely to be pretty much impossible here in Brisbane ( Dec 05 23:05:27 I kind of wish the Linux keyboard driver distinguished between the two space keys. Dec 05 23:06:21 Time to find a new phone... Dec 05 23:06:23 jonwil: do you at least have u-boot installed? Dec 05 23:06:54 The problem isn't being able to talk to it, its the charging. Dec 05 23:07:01 It works and the phone is currently up and running Dec 05 23:07:07 you can charge battery externally Dec 05 23:07:32 I do have an external battery charger but the phone is dying in other ways as well and its time to look to replace it. Dec 05 23:07:33 Isn't it possible to just wire directly to some of the pads under the battery? Dec 05 23:07:47 The screen is not what it used to be. Dec 05 23:07:55 Keyboard keys are all comming off and going missing. Dec 05 23:08:26 Oh and the cellmo is flaky (with it switching to the dreaded "no sim" icon sometimes) Dec 05 23:09:15 CatButts: hablas castellano? Dec 05 23:09:18 As much as I like my N900, I think its time to consider what comes next. Dec 05 23:09:47 sunshavi: nein Dec 05 23:10:01 lol ok Dec 05 23:10:22 I doubt I could get all the problems fixed in a way that makes economic sense. Dec 05 23:11:08 key { [ q, Q, 1, F1 ] }; Dec 05 23:11:32 the 4th collumn is the two keys on bottom left pressed, yes? Dec 05 23:11:41 jonwil: no great alternatives out there Dec 05 23:12:06 CatButts: yes. Dec 05 23:12:33 I only use that for backtick myself. Dec 05 23:13:02 Right now I will use my other phone (a cheap cheap Android thing I picked up last time my N900 had issues) while I figure out what my next device will be. Dec 05 23:13:17 in a paralel universe, n900 has tiny joystick like the Sony Ericsson K750 in place of the directional keys Dec 05 23:13:28 after modem died. I am using a moto razor :) Dec 05 23:14:12 But I miss all the integration I got with n900. At least moto razor gives me 4d of battery life. And answering phone calls is very simple :) Dec 05 23:16:36 3G wont be around forever either. Dec 05 23:17:08 BTW. the moto razor has j2me inside. I have done an app for sending by bluetooth an sms from phone to workstation. Dec 05 23:17:41 j2me has some neat jewels floating around Dec 05 23:17:48 jonwil: Right. nokia is not out there also. The future is grey Dec 05 23:17:56 CatButts: like which ones? Dec 05 23:19:08 opera mini mod(web-centric mini os), vibe mod(midi sequencer), minicommander, keepass j2me port Dec 05 23:19:11 I think something like j2me should be done on C. for giving a boost on creating your own tools on n900 or any future phone with proper-lunix Dec 05 23:19:46 mmm. browser is not working. for me. Needs a kind of setup Dec 05 23:19:59 so i do not have internet conn on it :( Dec 05 23:20:04 oh, someone was insane enough to make a j2me IDE, on j2me Dec 05 23:21:05 catbutts: awesome Dec 05 23:21:39 http://cat.butt.care:3434/J2ME_SDK_Mobile_Pro.jar Dec 05 23:23:35 my main workstation is ARM. for doing j2me development i should turn on my x220. The preverifier does not work on arm-lunix Dec 05 23:25:24 catbutts: I am going to install it and see Dec 05 23:26:10 The way I see it, I can go 3 ways here. First is to track down a used new-to-me N900 and replace with that (but that's not the easiest thing and it doesn't give me any future-proofing as 3G goes away and more and more web sites don't work properly on N900. Second is to buy something like a librem5 that's built to be open source (although those are probably expensive and not necessarily... Dec 05 23:26:12 ...fully-baked software wise). And the third is to buy a more mainstream phone from someone that is at least able to run unsigned code, no bootloader locks etc. Dec 05 23:26:28 I dont think I can find another phone with a physical keyboard though. Dec 05 23:27:29 https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41Dqpui2qYL._AC_SX466_.jpg this seems like a nice compromise Dec 05 23:27:47 Right. pinephone with maemo-leste courd be great. But they are not ready yet. Dec 05 23:27:59 but it will chew your battery, the keyboard's battery, and will be for few phones Dec 05 23:29:01 I wonder if the librem5 is any good. Dec 05 23:29:17 Oh wait, that's not for sale yet... Dec 05 23:30:50 I will say this though, there is no way in HELL I am going to use anything from crApple (you couldn't pay me to use an iFail) Dec 05 23:33:11 catbutts: it is a big file Dec 05 23:33:27 i have just jailbroken an ipod touch 4th Dec 05 23:34:34 But even jailbroken when you open ifile it asks permissions to crapple servers Dec 05 23:34:39 Looks like the Linux phones just aren't there right now. Dec 05 23:34:50 librem5 is not for sale. Dec 05 23:34:57 what are keynames for ~ and `? Dec 05 23:35:01 asciitilde and ... Dec 05 23:35:19 perhaps back apostrophe Dec 05 23:35:21 grave Dec 05 23:35:43 That's what I called "backtick" before, but it's `grave` in xkb. Dec 05 23:38:01 Pinephone also not for sale. Dec 05 23:38:54 Fairphone is only for sale in Europe. Dec 05 23:39:38 jonwil: pinephone is ready for sale. I think with ubuntu-os loaded or xx-os (whicd i do not remember). You could do phone calls and sms Dec 05 23:39:55 Pinephone website says "pre-order" and not "shipping now" Dec 05 23:40:09 And obviously I dont want to buy something that wont ship until some future date. Dec 05 23:40:36 I think some post on TMO might lead to some advice on what my options are... Dec 05 23:45:26 what's the ^ called? Dec 05 23:45:32 can't find "caret" Dec 05 23:46:01 asciicircum Dec 05 23:46:17 (as in "circumflex") Dec 06 00:05:58 yeah clearly the droid4 does not exist and the pinephone has only been sold and shipped to many thousands people Dec 06 00:06:03 but surely it's 'pre order' lol Dec 06 00:07:39 wizzup: thanks for clarification. Any recommendation for jonwil Dec 06 00:07:51 catbutts: this generates a jar on device? Dec 06 00:07:59 So people are only pining for it? Dec 06 00:08:27 Oh, they're not pining. Dec 06 00:09:33 Ok so maybe its not pre-order but the website does say that it wont ship for quite a while. Dec 06 00:09:46 So the Pinephone isn't really something I can buy right now. Dec 06 00:10:08 the droid4 seems easily obtainable everywhere in the world Dec 06 00:10:31 Not sure its available in Australia... Dec 06 00:12:13 Also I can't find any info on what frequency bands it supports (does it even do 4G?) Dec 06 00:14:39 is there convenient way to debug keyboard mapping? Dec 06 00:14:51 say one that shows line where parser errors Dec 06 00:19:31 Indeed, I don't think they're really available here in NZ either. I've had an alert set up for them on the main trading site used for the last few months and have not seen anything. Dec 06 00:19:52 So would have to just buy them from ebay or something. Dec 06 00:42:46 https://pastebin.com/0mYxxPe0 hmmmm, my multikey shortcuts are not quite working correctly Dec 06 00:43:45 holding down both modifier keys and pressing "z", then "x" triggers ")}" and ")}" Dec 06 00:45:26 So it produces the same thing twice? Dec 06 00:46:13 yes Dec 06 00:46:21 fwiw, I disabled the OSK that pops up for some reason to do with modifier keys not behaving as I wanted, can't quite remember what the problem was though. Dec 06 00:47:01 https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1570414#post1570414 Dec 06 00:47:12 Made a forum post asking for recommendations. Dec 06 00:47:34 Maxdamantus: the ones I saw on ebay ship worldwide Dec 06 00:47:54 Wizzup: yeah, as long as you pay $70 to ship it to NZ. Dec 06 00:48:11 Probably similar for Australia. Dec 06 00:48:53 Hopefully I can find some advice and find a device that's worth buying and don't need to go with "buy the least-locked-down Android phone I can find" and live with it. Dec 06 00:50:18 Oh and for reasons I don't want to go into, buying from eBay is not an option (Amazon yes but not eBay) Dec 06 00:50:49 Wizzup: hm, which ones are you seeing on ebay? Dec 06 00:51:36 btw, talk.maemo.org is still not working on http, only https Dec 06 00:51:44 Maxdamantus: I saw a few, but actually those were not shipping worldwide Dec 06 00:51:59 Maxdamantus: if you're interested in development of some kind I might be able to send one to you when I get home a week from now Dec 06 00:52:07 * Wizzup zzz Dec 06 00:56:27 same Dec 06 00:57:09 well, on the bright side, I have all my braces Dec 06 00:57:26 brackets and paranthesis Dec 06 01:22:40 parentheses* Dec 06 01:23:35 At least I do have a phone I can use for the short term to handle calls and SMS and the basics (*its a no-name dirt cheap Android hing) Dec 06 01:25:06 Saying that Web sites do not work on the N900 seems to be conflating specific software used on the N900 with the N900, which is a model of computer that can run multiple operating systems even if all of them are based upon a Linux kernel. Dec 06 01:26:07 In any case my phone is not worth getting fixed (the "no sim cellmo issue" being the other big problem besides the charge port) Dec 06 01:28:48 I did get about a decade worth of use out of it which for a smartphone is pretty good. Dec 06 01:28:55 Anyway, the search function of the Amazon.ca Web site seems to be broken for a query of “C60M1-I”, which is a model of Mini-ITX motherboard from Asus. Dec 06 01:32:08 If the Neo900 project hadn't effectively died (due to circumstances beyond the control of the people on the project IIRC including some BS from PayPal) then it might well have been an option to replace my N900 with. Dec 06 01:53:18 jonwil: Apparently the Nexus One can run Debian GNU+Linux as the host OS but I do not know if cellular telephony and SMS/MMS are usable on GNU+Linux. Yes, I realise that the Nexus One lacks an integrated hardware keyboard but maybe it will still suffice for you? Dec 06 01:54:16 Whilst a Linux phone would be nice, if I can't find a Linux phone that's got the other things I need I have no objection to Android as long as its not so locked down (e.g. can Dec 06 01:54:21 can't install new kernel etc) Dec 06 01:59:30 jonwil: You can replace the stock OS on the Samsung Galaxy Note 3, at least the SM-N900W8 (Qualcomm Snapdragon-based variant for Canada, among other regions) variant I have, which I think implies that you can use a custom kernel build. Dec 06 02:00:43 But actually finding a Note 3 here in Australia will be hard. Dec 06 02:01:05 Unless its a really really good pick, I intend to buy new rather than 2nd hand. Dec 06 02:08:11 jonwil: I do not know if the stock OS can be replaced on the Samsung Exynos-based variants of the Galaxy Note 3, which is why I specified one of the literally at least twenty variants of the Galaxy Note 3 instead of just saying “Galaxy Note 3”. I do not see why new versus used matters in this case unless the IMEI or similar has been blacklisted due to a previous user of the computer. The battery is easily removable and replaceable (correct spelling?) Dec 06 02:08:12 on the Galaxy Note 4 and earlier so you do not have to worry about the condition of the included battery if you buy the computer used. Well, actually in your case maybe you do if you refuse to use eBay because I bought both my Galaxy Note 3 and all of the batteries for it on eBay so I do not know if these products are available without using eBay. Why would finding a Galaxy Note 3 be difficult in Australia? Dec 06 02:16:44 https://brisbane.craigslist.org/ seems to have very little for sale but I do not know what is more popular than Craigslist in Australia? Dec 06 02:17:56 I mean very little of anything for sale, not only of this type of item. Dec 06 02:20:32 I don't really want to buy a used Android device (regardless of quality) in any case Dec 06 02:20:48 I would rather buy new unless its something special and unique (which anything Galaxy is not) Dec 06 02:21:49 Get something with more modern cellular band support and better WiFi and stuff. Dec 06 02:24:20 The Galaxy Note 4 and earlier are special if you want an easily removable and replaceable battery and maybe also if you want to root the stock OS or replace the OS but I do not know about the feasibility of these modifications on the Galaxy Note 5 and later because the difficult to access and remove battery is a dealbreaker for me. Dec 06 02:26:01 I meant easily accessible and removable battery and to replace the stock OS with an unofficial/community/aftermarket OS. Dec 06 02:28:13 Galaxy Note is too large for me anyway, I have smaller hands. Dec 06 02:28:23 So any of the Note models just wont work as a phone for me. Dec 06 02:32:12 Then what about the (HTC) Nexus One? It is from 2009 or 2010 so I do not know if its cellular connectivity is still available in Australia? Dec 06 02:32:43 Doesn't do 4G so no good for the future Dec 06 02:32:57 3G is still here but not forever Dec 06 02:33:03 4G as in LTE or LTE-A? Dec 06 02:33:08 So I want 4G for future proofing Dec 06 02:34:41 According to the carrier they use LTE on 2100/1800/850 Dec 06 02:36:13 Is the Galaxy S5 sufficiently smaller than the Galaxy Note series? I am almost certain the Galaxy S5 still has an easily accessible and removable battery but the Galaxy S6 no longer does. Dec 06 02:37:38 As I said, I dont want to buy used and a replacable battery isn't a feature I care enough about to make something special. Dec 06 02:37:46 As good as they are. Dec 06 02:44:48 Anyway, I just confirmed that my memory was accurate about the removability of the battery in the Galaxy S5 and Galaxy S6. If you plan to use your next handheld computer for a decade then you will need to replace the battery multiple times. How do you know that being able to easily access and remove the battery is not important to you if you have had this ability for at least a decade? Dec 06 02:49:38 I am not necessarily buying a phone that will get used for a decade. Dec 06 02:50:21 If someone had told me when I bought it that I would still be using my N900 a decade later I wouldn't have believed them. Dec 06 02:51:20 If its something unique then sure it might be worth buying to keep for a long time but if its just Android I want new and not used and don't mind so much if its not going to last me 10 years. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Dec 06 02:59:56 2020