**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 08 02:59:57 2020 Dec 08 04:00:47 Hmm .. got another cmt-speech failure. This time I was able to hear the person on the other end but they couldn't hear me (rebooted to fix it) Dec 08 04:01:36 :-/ Dec 08 04:02:27 The syslog errors were different though. Dec 08 04:03:00 Dec 8 16:06:54 orcus user.err pulseaudio[875]: voice-cmtspeech.c: cmtspeech_dl_buffer_release(0x385f8) failed return value -32. Dec 08 04:04:20 (when I had cmt-speech errors one time about half a year ago, I wasn't able to hear, not sure about the other end) Dec 08 04:05:04 (also, that last time the issue persisted across multiple phone calls I made, but today I just rebooted when the person I called said they couldn't hear me) Dec 08 04:15:48 I wonder if it's hw or sw Dec 08 09:47:14 I vaguely remember having Faster Application Manager before, but somebody telling me something negative about it, and me uninstalling it as a result Dec 08 09:48:49 I am trying to remember what that caution was Dec 08 09:49:32 ~hamvsfam Dec 08 09:49:33 methinks hamvsfam is https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-28.log.html#t2013-10-28T10:44:33, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93227 Dec 08 09:49:37 ~speedham Dec 08 09:49:46 ~speedyham Dec 08 09:49:46 extra, extra, read all about it, speedyham is 30 times faster than HAM https://github.com/community-ssu/hildon-application-manager, now included in ~CSSU replacing the original Hildon application Manager there Dec 08 09:54:03 ah, now it makes sense Dec 08 09:54:24 shame, because I was liking fapman's interface Dec 08 09:54:50 well Dec 08 09:55:05 if you use apt-get install you might as well go with fapman Dec 08 09:56:50 ~overclocking Dec 08 09:56:51 "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" Dec 08 09:57:28 i short maemo wasn't really intended to use apt directly and FAM is a wrapper for apt. Dec 08 09:58:32 ~smartreflex Dec 08 10:05:08 it's nice having the N900 at 1050Mhz, but I wonder for how long Dec 08 10:07:47 *1150Mhz Dec 08 10:08:21 I honestly wouldn't do that nowadays Dec 08 10:08:35 especially considering that you could just buy a droid4 if you want a more powerful device Dec 08 10:09:38 or stop trying to use Sunvox :p Dec 08 10:10:48 I was wondering whether it was opensource, but looks like it eventually moved to close-source Dec 08 10:26:58 Sunvox is too hot for the device Dec 08 10:35:38 one does not just buy *a* droid4 Dec 08 10:36:50 one begins a collection! :) Dec 08 10:37:49 https://droid4x.cc/ this site does not inspire me confidence Dec 08 10:38:01 unrelated Dec 08 10:41:25 lol 'droid 4 X' Dec 08 10:41:27 doesnt support X Dec 08 10:41:28 :D Dec 08 10:43:54 * sicelo should experiment with overclocking N900 on mainline Dec 08 10:44:11 but not very high :-) Dec 08 10:44:19 ka-b00m..pshhhh Dec 08 10:44:35 http://cat.butt.care:3434/droid4x_phone_home.png Dec 08 11:05:49 sicelo: :( Dec 08 11:06:00 I thought you kinda liked your n900 :> Dec 08 11:06:25 i do :-) Dec 08 11:07:04 well, it's just to test and see what's possible, not to run it like that all the time Dec 08 11:07:38 mayne i could do it on the device with broken modem and faulty touchscreen Dec 08 11:07:39 that being said, I think freemangordon's device runs overclocked most of the time Dec 08 11:08:00 so ... it might be safe at some reasonable freqs Dec 08 11:08:45 dunno about mainline though :) Dec 08 11:09:36 It was popular to run KP ideal profile which was 700-800ish IIRC? Dec 08 11:10:11 I actually used KP to get 125Mhz Dec 08 11:11:11 It was removed to help battery but i found the opposite at the time, listening to music on headphones all day back then. Dec 08 11:11:25 underclocking might be useful for testing and performance tuning applications Dec 08 11:14:45 omap3 was quite overclockeable Dec 08 11:15:10 if you dont mind shorter battery life Dec 08 11:15:48 i don't recall what KP's governor did Dec 08 11:16:11 but the power consumption for different workloads, such as webbrowsing is complex Dec 08 11:17:05 we all know this i guess. phone cpus 'burst' now Dec 08 11:18:12 it's not that complex in the end, most eventually reached the conclusion that it's better to clock the cpu at max clock when working, to rush to idle Dec 08 11:18:37 even fremantle did. during a phone call, iirc freq was always locked to 600MHz Dec 08 11:19:10 unless your platform has broken idle support and/or entering/exiting from idle takes too much time Dec 08 11:29:04 the phone application forced it Dec 08 11:29:51 phone application does a lot of weird things like that, they seem like an after thought Dec 08 11:31:22 race to idle was the future, but maemo OS works different in that regard you can have multiple things open and working. Dec 08 11:31:43 well, during phone call you are already draining quite a lot of power Dec 08 11:32:10 and unless you are on loudspeaker you arent browsing or anything Dec 08 11:32:38 no manufacturer did the obvious thing of offering phones with differing thickness back cases for different sized batteries Dec 08 11:33:45 or a spare little battery to enable swap without shutdown Dec 08 11:34:07 I don't have an issue with it must be for a reason but it seems like an after thought because of the way it just brute forces everything. Dec 08 11:34:31 Lithium power pack became a thing and are universal Dec 08 11:36:17 yeah but still not "good". power pads on the back for stick-on supplemental power would have been doable too Dec 08 11:36:42 can be done with droid4 though, with carefully modified back cover Dec 08 11:37:05 two of the pogo pins accept +5v Dec 08 11:37:34 so one could manufacture a powerbank cover for d4 Dec 08 11:37:56 we are talking 2009 release so designed before then. Dec 08 11:38:03 sixwheeledbeast: the phone, you mean? i thought the frequency lock was needed since call audio is handled via cpu on n900 Dec 08 11:38:15 13 Dec 08 11:38:44 I believe the modem needed the CPU power yer Dec 08 11:39:33 More things like prox sensors etc, phone app has root access to do whatever Dec 08 11:40:35 You can try to disable this things make them 444 but phone application will overwrite whatever it wants. Dec 08 11:40:52 well whatever it "needs" i suppose Dec 08 11:42:37 does leste have working phone and sms yet? Dec 08 11:50:59 iirc it still misses UI integration Dec 08 11:51:08 more than UI tbh Dec 08 14:32:32 ~softfloat Dec 08 14:32:38 ~hardfloat Dec 08 14:32:48 meh Dec 08 14:32:50 ~weallfloathere Dec 08 14:33:59 Maemo 5 uses softfloat, yes? On softfloat OS, hardfloat cannot be used? Dec 08 15:08:39 n900 supports hf just fine Dec 08 15:08:50 not sure about fremantle Dec 08 15:09:25 fremantle does not Dec 08 15:10:38 bencoh: it has been running on 800MHz for ~10 years. TS started acting so I exchanged it couple of months ago with my backup device Dec 08 16:06:04 i've had two n900s stolen Dec 08 16:07:17 I'd be surprised if anyone knew what it was Dec 08 16:08:24 they did Dec 08 16:08:31 lol Dec 08 16:08:37 how long time ago it was? Dec 08 16:09:06 around 2012 the first one Dec 08 16:09:14 KotCzarny: I've had some people in the weirdest places walk up to me and say "hey, that's the old nokia phone" about my droid 4 running leste Dec 08 16:09:29 in fact that happened just last month in some mall Dec 08 16:11:22 malls still exist? Dec 08 16:11:56 a shopping mall? Dec 08 16:13:24 :-/ Dec 08 16:17:32 Wizzup: did you tell them about leste then? :) Dec 08 16:31:56 what ... there's other commercial building beyond the ones I can see from my window? Dec 08 16:32:13 lol Dec 08 16:32:25 who knew outside existed this year Dec 08 16:34:09 bencoh: yeah Dec 08 16:44:54 404 Dec 08 17:57:52 is the GCC used in Maemo SDK in anyway customized, or is it standard? Dec 08 17:58:19 I am contemplating commiting manual header+lib transplant Dec 08 17:58:34 onto a newer ARM crosscompiler Dec 08 17:58:38 GCC Dec 08 18:08:26 there are newer gccs on tmo Dec 08 18:08:31 search and install Dec 08 18:12:00 ~tmo Dec 08 18:12:00 i guess tmo is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen. Dec 08 18:12:27 acronyms hate me Dec 08 18:12:40 talk.maemo.org Dec 08 18:35:49 ~t-mo Dec 08 18:35:49 from memory, t-mo is T-Mobile Dec 08 18:35:55 lol Dec 08 21:39:44 * CatButts coats his n900 in vegemite and overclocks it Dec 08 21:42:43 some clever thermal properties of vegemite? Dec 08 21:51:53 no, I'm hungry **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 09 02:59:56 2020