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Mar 22 04:43:59 <brolin_empey> Reading the English-language Wikipedia articles about the PinePhone and Librem 5, I notice that apparently both of these computers lack integrated NFC connectivity and a fingerprint reader and possibly something else compared to the LG G5 I currently use (integrated photographic flash?)?  I like that the PinePhone is designed to be able to boot OSes from an SD card instead of only from the fixed flash memory, in this case eMMC, but the integrated cameras of 
Mar 22 04:43:59 <brolin_empey> the PinePhone are low resolution compared to the LG G5 from five years ago.  I want to run Android applications;  apparently the PinePhone can run Android (with Google Mobile Services and Google Play?) but I do not know the feasibility of running Android applications on the Librem 5?  I guess Anbox or similar can be used but I do not know if that works well in practice for running mainstream, closed-source Android applications from the Google Play Store?
Mar 22 04:45:49 <brolin_empey> Apparently they both lack a wide-angle camera too but that is not critical.
Mar 22 04:47:29 <brolin_empey> They may lack OIS for the integrated cameras too?
Mar 22 04:50:59 <brolin_empey> They both have an AMLCD instead of an (AMO)LED display too, which is not critical but LCDs seem lame after being used to using an AMOLED display.
Mar 22 04:56:16 <brolin_empey> It seems like I would be better off trying to unofficially run Android 8 or higher on my retired Samsung Galaxy Note 3 with 1080×1920 AMOLED display and NFC connectivity even though it lacks a fingerprint reader and the SD card reader/writer does not work.
Mar 22 11:55:18 <dev-zero> hi everyone
Mar 22 11:58:09 <dev-zero> is there any chance to get a somewhat up-to-date image for an N700?
Mar 22 11:58:34 <sixwheeledbeast> what's up to date?
Mar 22 11:58:52 <KotCzarny> what is a n700 ?
Mar 22 11:59:46 <dev-zero> well, something built within the last 5 years, possibly based on an older version of Debian
Mar 22 12:00:14 <dev-zero> or maybe a toolchain which can be used to build an image with a somewhat recent kernel?
Mar 22 12:04:11 <sixwheeledbeast> they are obsolete so official images ended at that point. assuming you mean n900 that would be images between 2009-2011
Mar 22 12:04:44 <KotCzarny> maybe he means n800, who knows
Mar 22 12:04:50 <KotCzarny> or even 770
Mar 22 12:04:57 <dev-zero> no, I mean an n700 (it's still alive :)
Mar 22 12:05:14 <KotCzarny> pics or it didnt happen!
Mar 22 12:05:15 <KotCzarny> ;)
Mar 22 12:05:16 <dev-zero> well, yes, I know that the official ones are not available anymore
Mar 22 12:05:28 <sixwheeledbeast> well I never heard of n700
Mar 22 12:05:43 <dev-zero> I still have a hacked-up version of the enlightenment desktop on it
Mar 22 12:07:04 <KotCzarny> New Nokia N700 is a Symbian Belle OS mobile phone. Nokia N700 is going to launch in October,2011 in India. Nokia N700 is fully loaded with 5 MP Camera, 3G, Wi-fi, Video Conferencing, HD video and many more
Mar 22 12:07:14 <KotCzarny> symbian? bah.
Mar 22 12:07:17 <sixwheeledbeast> I assume it wouldn't be Maemo if there is a device out there
Mar 22 12:07:23 <sixwheeledbeast> ah ding
Mar 22 12:07:26 <sixwheeledbeast> symbian
Mar 22 12:07:31 <dev-zero> sorry, the N770
Mar 22 12:07:36 <KotCzarny> there is no n770
Mar 22 12:07:41 <KotCzarny> its just nokia 770
Mar 22 12:07:42 <KotCzarny> :)
Mar 22 12:08:09 <dev-zero> ok, sorry, yes, sorry for the confusion
Mar 22 12:08:22 <KotCzarny> i guess you cant do much with 64M of ram
Mar 22 12:08:57 <dev-zero> right, the 770 was just the "Nokia 770" and the successor then gained the "N" prefix
Mar 22 12:09:16 <KotCzarny> i was looking to buy used 770 to port oscp there, but failed due to crazy prices 
Mar 22 12:26:58 <dev-zero> KotCzarny: I doub't you're still interested?
Mar 22 12:29:36 <KotCzarny> well, not many users of n8x0/n900, so even fewer for 770 probably
Mar 22 12:30:57 <dev-zero> well, I always hoped that kernel support was mainlined and that something like Yocto would get a recipe for building images for it
Mar 22 12:31:31 <KotCzarny> tbh you would be better off with newer device
Mar 22 12:32:12 <KotCzarny> there are SOCs that have more than 64MB nowadays
Mar 22 12:32:59 <dev-zero> I know, and you can get some hardware with a touchscreen with a quarter of what I paid
Mar 22 12:33:07 <KotCzarny> yup
Mar 22 12:33:37 <dev-zero> but on the other hand, this is hardware I have and barely used (since Nokia cancelled the thing 3 months after I got it and it died a slow death, so to speak)
Mar 22 12:37:04 <ketas> eh, 770, i have used it
Mar 22 12:37:16 <ketas> on the back it said made in estonia
Mar 22 16:16:00 <L29Ah> where do i buy bl-5j that isn't garbage these days?
Mar 22 16:16:13 <KotCzarny> ~polarcell
Mar 22 16:16:14 <infobot> polarcell is probably BL-5J Replacement - Wannasee Electronic on Ebay or http://www.wannsee-electronic.de/handyakkus/nokia/polarcell_hochleistungsakku_fuer_nokia_n900_ersetzt_originalakku__bl-5j_i2_2090_0.htm
Mar 22 16:16:23 <L29Ah> thanks
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