**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 06 02:59:57 2010 Mar 06 07:28:12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlSwYKFkHDM&feature=player_embedded Mar 06 07:28:30 why so unpolished and laggy scrolling? Mar 06 07:28:46 is it that hard to actually create a polished good looking UI? :) Mar 06 07:30:08 red: because intel low power chips are underpowered? ;) Mar 06 07:30:10 * arachnist runs Mar 06 07:54:58 arachnist: like twice the processing power compared to some other OSes with smooth scrolling ;) Mar 06 10:11:19 * Stskeeps listens to the sound of crickets Mar 06 10:20:52 * n00bmonk3y eats crickets.... nomnomnom Mar 06 12:01:41 hello Mar 06 12:02:27 * n00bmonk3y waves Mar 06 13:41:55 should meego use zypper? Mar 06 13:44:42 is it non-python? Mar 06 13:44:56 it's C Mar 06 13:45:00 AFAIUI Mar 06 13:45:08 and does it do install-root? Mar 06 13:45:15 heh Mar 06 13:48:22 it certainly co-exists with rpm Mar 06 13:48:49 zypper's like apt and yum is it not? Mar 06 13:48:59 yes Mar 06 13:49:17 does the dep resolution (quickly) Mar 06 13:51:46 isn't the question if meego uses zypper? Mar 06 13:52:06 yum might not be good on embedded devices Mar 06 13:54:14 yeah - that's what I said Mar 06 16:10:16 * Stskeeps yawns Mar 06 16:12:58 meego uses zypper Mar 06 16:14:38 cool Mar 06 16:14:44 (and good morning to you, anaZ) Mar 06 16:14:55 moin :) Mar 06 16:15:38 Stskeeps: deb @ htc n1 : http://identi.ca/tag/nexusone Mar 06 16:17:10 ah, nice to see it being opened, but is it through a hack or? Mar 06 16:17:52 i'm looking forward to the day where hordes of people start showing off meego ports to their devices. Mar 06 16:18:02 hi anaZ ... good news :) Mar 06 16:18:14 i think i am able to on that one, but i miss time :) Mar 06 16:18:55 well never say never Mar 06 16:19:42 any identica users around ? link me http://identi.ca/rzr :) Mar 06 16:19:54 would probably be useful to have those armel-generic like images we had in Mer Mar 06 16:20:01 very useful to bootstrap a port Mar 06 16:22:14 Stskeeps: you're reading my mind :) Mar 06 16:24:15 'lo javispedro Mar 06 16:24:23 morning Mar 06 16:32:22 i want to help ENSURE that installing packages and updating package list does not bog down meego device for 2-6 minutes Mar 06 16:32:34 mmk? :) Mar 06 16:32:45 pupnik_: zypper sounds like a solution for that Mar 06 16:33:02 hmm ty Mar 06 16:33:43 cannot browse atm - vimeo flash stream downloading and bogging device Mar 06 16:34:57 that said, it could be a I/O lockup Mar 06 16:40:51 http://wiki.meego.com/Debian_users_translation_guide Mar 06 16:42:24 N900 is very IO sensitive, but I think alot of time is CPU for apt-get... what package manager will we have on meego I wonder Mar 06 16:42:55 zypper and rpm? Mar 06 16:43:44 Hm, haven't had any experience with that. It probably can't be heavier than yum anyway :) Mar 06 16:44:09 exactly. Mar 06 17:13:04 heya Mar 06 17:13:10 hello Stskeeps Mar 06 17:13:22 morn th0br0 Mar 06 17:15:11 how's it going? Mar 06 17:17:08 pretty well, tired & bored but yeah :) Mar 06 17:17:13 and ou? Mar 06 17:17:24 filling up my n900 with media for a trip i'm going on tomorrow Mar 06 17:17:30 oh and btw, did lbt and you decide about a meeting already? Mar 06 17:17:33 when will you return? Mar 06 17:18:07 ah, i'll be around just not that active :) returning friday Mar 06 17:19:22 ah ok. so i guess next weekend looks like the best time ... Mar 06 17:19:32 unless you're able to attend one during the week? Mar 06 17:19:47 can't make any promises, but weekend sounds cool Mar 06 17:19:50 saturday and sunday that is Mar 06 17:19:56 yeah that's what i had in mind. Mar 06 17:20:00 i'll talk to lbt about that Mar 06 17:20:40 X-Fade: ping? have you received any further information on the mailing lists part of the past meeting? Mar 06 17:20:53 Stskeeps: have enough batteries? ;P Mar 06 17:23:01 arachnist: armed with a n900 and a charger Mar 06 17:23:01 :P Mar 06 17:38:15 we need to invest even more at destroying evil websites Mar 06 17:43:48 * pupnik_ puts-on Slayer - South of Heaven Mar 06 17:44:53 like especially giving user control of each flash and every javascript element on page - display blocked icon and activate only on click Mar 06 17:45:32 that is just essential to getting ANY USABILITY Mar 06 18:51:00 is this page broken for anyone else? http://www.nokia.co.uk/support/product-support/nokia-6220-classic Mar 06 18:51:17 the main content seems to be on the right Mar 06 18:54:19 oh crap Mar 06 18:54:29 I'm sure the screen isn't meant to come off Mar 06 18:58:52 Cosmo[PB]: http://rzr.online.fr/volatile/tmp/339239.png Mar 06 18:59:02 Cosmo[PB]: on debian Mar 06 18:59:32 same Mar 06 18:59:41 thanks for checking Mar 06 19:06:57 * Cosmo[PB] attacks a nokia 6220c Mar 06 19:08:35 so, what are some of you people waiting for in MeeGo and why? Mar 06 19:09:47 I hang out here because I'm interested in developing and would like to give meego a go on my laptop Mar 06 19:43:51 http://en.kioskea.net/faq/421-restoring-your-nokia-phone Mar 06 19:43:56 that came in handy Mar 06 20:03:24 what does the 6220c run? Mar 06 20:05:49 * Stskeeps tries to start a team building exersise on meego-dev Mar 06 20:07:48 * CosmoHill trys to keep his screen on the phone Mar 06 20:08:38 Stskeeps, whilst you are waiting yo ucould do some cleanup on #mer :p Mar 06 20:15:33 since meego will hve qt ontop, does that mean kde can sit there too? Mar 06 20:22:02 hmm, would meego run on an ARM 11 @ 369Mhz Mar 06 20:25:24 lcuk: just as well as it can sit on rover ;-) Mar 06 20:27:30 CosmoHill: I don't see why not, but depends on who's going to put the effort to make it run there. Mar 06 20:27:40 if it has video acceleration, it helps Mar 06 20:27:50 OpenVG or OpenGL/ES Mar 06 20:28:11 it;'s a nokia 6220c Mar 06 20:28:39 it's the same processor as the N97 Mar 06 20:30:03 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOtENx0QuZM .pnd instant mobile linux software install, and a games/emus collection beyond ours - with no community yet... Mar 06 20:34:20 villemv, well that swhat i mean Mar 06 20:35:35 it's basically packages right? you can recompile them Mar 06 20:51:48 i'm being freaked out by ovi maps be able to tell me the house number Mar 06 20:54:49 CosmoHill, you think thats bad, it told the rest of us too Mar 06 20:55:11 O.O Mar 06 20:55:15 bring pizza Mar 06 20:55:32 sure, it gave us your CC numbers also Mar 06 20:56:14 CosmoHill I'm not when my GF thinks I am at the Neighbors ' house Mar 06 20:57:12 lol keesj, blaming technology now :p Mar 06 21:00:56 * CosmoHill wonders where keesj actually is Mar 06 21:01:58 always near a N900 Mar 06 21:02:10 :) Mar 06 21:02:21 welll sometimes not. but that is when you see my panic Mar 06 21:02:24 me Mar 06 21:03:46 * CosmoHill sips his tea Mar 06 21:03:58 mh .. i liked the windowmanager switching and .pnd files ED showed in that youtube Mar 06 21:04:11 no-instal software install Mar 06 21:04:24 my current phone is a k800i Mar 06 21:05:41 playing with the nokia 6220c at the mo Mar 06 21:05:59 it's got some nice features but I'm not to sure that i like the feel of the phone Mar 06 21:06:57 Stskeeps: nice thread :) Mar 06 21:29:13 i hate it when you compare things on a website and they basically go "yes they are the same, but we've changed the units to confuse you Mar 06 21:29:29 like 262,144 colour TFT vs 18-bit (262k) colour TFT Mar 06 21:31:38 It'll be difficult to install random things on Nokia 6220c Mar 06 21:32:08 I don't think anyone has figured out yet how to replace the OS on nokia's symbian phones. Mar 06 21:34:41 hmm Mar 06 21:35:21 tbh i don't think I will be using the phone Mar 06 22:14:34 http://wiki.meego.com/Debian_users_translation_guide Mar 06 22:16:00 ooo Mar 06 22:18:48 :) Mar 06 22:24:08 hopefully someone will scramble to create a craptablet version of meego... Mar 06 22:24:09 http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/06/firstviews-95-android-windows-ce-pc607v-tips-a-craptablet-ic/ Mar 06 22:24:57 i.e. have non-composited wm Mar 06 22:25:22 I could use a $100 tablet Mar 06 22:25:48 looks like a digital photo frame Mar 06 22:26:08 well, there's a heap of those cheap tablets Mar 06 22:26:24 iPad market is going to be cannibalized in record time ;-) Mar 06 22:26:33 god bless asia Mar 06 22:26:50 lol Mar 06 22:27:04 i personally can't see the point of it Mar 06 22:27:14 point of cheap tablet? Mar 06 22:27:24 however if you give me an ipad with one game on it i will be there for hours Mar 06 22:27:31 makes lots of sense to me, but I'm cheap Mar 06 22:27:37 i picked up my friends iphone and played on that Mar 06 22:27:59 i meant the ipad Mar 06 22:28:08 ahhhh Mar 06 22:28:18 it's like an ipod touch, only bigger Mar 06 22:28:33 villemv, amusingly the market was full if tablet/mid/pad things before rumours of apple doing a pad even emerged :-) Mar 06 22:28:39 whole product line is full of perverts going "TOUCH ME" Mar 06 22:28:45 it's like the damn DS Mar 06 22:29:15 ShadowJK: yeah, but apple officially blessed the concept as desirable :-) Mar 06 22:30:14 there was never any tablets before apple shite in that niche Mar 06 22:30:46 which niche? Mar 06 22:30:54 s/desirable/magical and revolutionary/ Mar 06 22:30:57 the one where you poke the computer Mar 06 22:31:59 i had it where my teacher poked my laptop screen and i went "sir please don't do that" Mar 06 22:32:12 he went to the class "Cosmo just told me not to poke this laptop" Mar 06 22:32:34 douchebag, if you had a LCD panel fitted a week ago you wouldn't want anyone poking it either Mar 06 22:33:17 * lcuk hates fingerprints on screens too Mar 06 22:33:42 * lcuk fell in love with pentouch interfaces on zx spectrum Mar 06 22:33:53 i think that is older than me Mar 06 22:34:33 http://retro-treasures.blogspot.com/2009/01/speccy-lightpen.html Mar 06 22:35:01 yeah, older than me Mar 06 22:37:35 CosmoHill, it also predates apple for a pokeable interface Mar 06 22:38:15 on the large format touchscreens Mar 06 22:38:24 does you arm get tired when panning long lists Mar 06 22:38:38 ie with the kinetics that make small format devices work Mar 06 22:39:00 i would imaging having to swipe full arm repeatedly to get through a list of documents would be hard Mar 06 22:39:09 vvs just moving your thumb Mar 06 22:39:33 it was always something i found odd when i was working on my x41 Mar 06 22:39:44 the ui scaled up nicely, but the actions were different Mar 06 22:45:00 lcuk: shouldn't that be a non-issue with kinetic scrolling? Mar 06 22:45:16 If you give it a fast enough swipe... Mar 06 22:45:22 villemv, if there are scroll bars yes Mar 06 22:45:43 no, I mean if you do a fast swipe it should scroll a good amount Mar 06 22:45:45 but when panning whole lists with whole arm its whole different motion involving your whole arm Mar 06 22:45:51 instead of just small movements Mar 06 22:45:52 anyone using a tablet atm? Mar 06 22:45:59 CosmoHill: n810? ;-) Mar 06 22:46:01 yeah ive got an x41 Mar 06 22:46:22 http://group.black-flag.co.uk/home.php Mar 06 22:46:29 how does this website look like? Mar 06 22:46:46 damn css Mar 06 22:46:56 it looks wrong :-) Mar 06 22:47:05 :| Mar 06 22:47:09 (assuming you wanted the columns next to each other) Mar 06 22:47:09 hmm, i thought that url was going to be quite different from what it was Mar 06 22:47:11 on chrome Mar 06 22:47:21 villemv: yes that is broken on all of them Mar 06 22:47:26 other than that Mar 06 22:48:09 other than that, seems fine to me Mar 06 22:48:56 perhaps with tablets we would want somewhat amplified kinetic scrolling Mar 06 22:48:56 bollocks Mar 06 22:49:02 that was working fine tuesday Mar 06 22:49:21 villemv, decreasing the friction too much makes it too jumpy to use Mar 06 22:49:55 * CosmoHill grabs his over laptop Mar 06 22:50:02 *other Mar 06 22:50:08 you poke at things and the entire screen wobbles Mar 06 22:51:09 actually, I'd be ok with pgdn/pgup scrolling most of the time Mar 06 22:51:17 indeed Mar 06 22:51:26 don't worry if you get suck on google maps Mar 06 22:51:34 so many time I've scrolled and ended up somewhere else Mar 06 22:51:37 I actually implemented "penguinreader" just for this purpose (for n810) :-) Mar 06 22:51:38 haha Mar 06 22:52:00 CosmoHill, i wrote a google maps tile grabber (as a test) and panned east Mar 06 22:52:18 there were about 400 threads trying to download tiles by the time i stopped Mar 06 22:52:40 ive not been allowed back onto google maps since then for some reason Mar 06 22:52:51 lol Mar 06 22:52:55 lcuk: threads may not be optimal for such functionality ;-) Mar 06 22:53:02 villemv, of course Mar 06 22:53:06 it was just an idle test Mar 06 22:53:26 and i wrote a throttle based on that experience Mar 06 23:01:25 lcuk: hahahaha. Mar 06 23:01:34 being blocked from google services is always fun Mar 06 23:01:42 I've been blocked from gmail once Mar 06 23:02:05 I wrote an application that scraped my email into a desktop client, basically Mar 06 23:02:33 tskts Mar 06 23:02:37 k Mar 06 23:03:24 :)_ Mar 06 23:04:20 * CosmoHill grrs Mar 06 23:04:28 50/50 split on the homepage Mar 06 23:04:32 does it work, no Mar 06 23:26:00 anyone care to checkout my website now? Mar 07 01:47:19 hello Mar 07 02:16:55 note. meego should not overload audio playback when reestablishing network connections Mar 07 02:17:29 "overload" audio playback? You mean skip? Mar 07 02:19:01 badly Mar 07 02:19:13 for a minute just now Mar 07 02:19:39 brdrdrdrdt...tk tk.. blerb... brrdrt Mar 07 02:22:38 would be nice if it used jackd ;) Mar 07 02:23:42 nite all, sweet dreams Mar 07 02:23:53 that is the audio equivalent to moving away from MS Windows 3.1 cooperative multitasking, yes Mar 07 02:24:03 cu trem Mar 07 02:24:50 "buffer running low! prioritize the feeding app now!" Mar 07 02:25:21 only sensible architecture **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 07 02:59:57 2010