**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 15 02:59:56 2010
Mar 15 06:27:27 <Lantizia> its been a few weeks... still rpm based?? lol
Mar 15 06:28:23 <lcuk> no, they changed to pacman
Mar 15 06:28:37 <Lantizia> arch!
Mar 15 06:28:43 <Lantizia> sarcasm?
Mar 15 06:28:58 <lcuk> tongue very much in cheek
Mar 15 06:29:47 <Lantizia> lol
Mar 15 06:31:04 <Lantizia> is it true nokia helped mozilla make a qt firefox... and is firefox for mobile using qt?
Mar 15 06:38:11 <TigerTael> Does Eclipse work okay with GCJ?
Mar 15 06:49:24 <slonopotamus> TigerTael, i'd rephrase. does GCJ work okay?
Mar 15 06:50:24 * tigert thinks nick hilight has some issues lately ;)
Mar 15 06:50:38 <Fatal> =)
Mar 15 06:54:43 <thresh> easily solved: ban out everyone who has letters from your nick
Mar 15 07:21:07 <DawnLight> hello
Mar 15 07:22:38 <amjad> hi DawnLight
Mar 15 07:22:45 <DawnLight> hi amjad
Mar 15 07:23:47 <DawnLight> so when's the fist phone coming out?
Mar 15 07:25:39 <lcuk> fist phone, popular amongst the boxing community
Mar 15 07:26:29 <DawnLight> huh?
Mar 15 07:26:35 <thresh> :-)
Mar 15 07:27:48 <DawnLight> :/
Mar 15 07:28:06 * DawnLight looks right then left then right
Mar 15 07:29:07 <amjad> will meego use Adobe 10.4 ??
Mar 15 07:29:24 <amjad> err Adobe Flash player 10.4??
Mar 15 07:30:07 <DawnLight> that's a question to ask adobe, though. not?
Mar 15 07:39:06 <qgil> amjad: I don't think MeeGo will "use" Adobe Flash since it's not needed for the platform
Mar 15 07:39:28 <qgil> but of course Adobe might be interested targeting MeeGo for their Flash releases
Mar 15 07:39:42 <qgil> and MeeGo device vendors might be interested too
Mar 15 07:41:03 <amjad> the reason i asked it cuz   G1  (Htc dream) did not come out with flash support, it had youtube but thats it
Mar 15 07:42:14 <arachnist> flash - the way to make a quad core desktop crawl while playing 1080p videos
Mar 15 07:45:51 <robsta> arachnist: http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/adobes-flash-player-10-1-beta-gpu-acceleration-tested-document/
Mar 15 07:47:19 <robsta> not quite the link i was looking for though, apparently support for intel gpu acceleration is also being worked on
Mar 15 07:48:45 <robsta> http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/adobe-flash-player-10-1-beta-is-out-multi-touch-and-video-accel/
Mar 15 08:08:43 <qgil> robsta "MeeGo Flash support" in fact doesn't mean much. The meaning comes clearer when you say "Intel/Atom support" and "ARM support"
Mar 15 08:09:26 <robsta> qgil: i was replying to "(08:42:39) arachnist: flash - the way to make a quad core desktop crawl while playing 1080p videos"
Mar 15 08:19:27 <timeless_mbp> fwiw, it's true that nokia (Maemo) worked on a Qt port for Firefox. But Firefox for Mobile will use whatever it needs to.
Mar 15 08:19:36 <timeless_mbp> Firefox for Mobile for Windows Mobile will not use QT
Mar 15 08:19:38 <timeless_mbp> or Qt
Mar 15 08:19:44 <timeless_mbp> Firefox for Mobile for the n900 uses Gtk
Mar 15 08:20:18 <timeless_mbp> it's probably that a Firefox for Mobile for Symbian would use Qt, although i don't know and don't care :)
Mar 15 08:20:40 <timeless_mbp> And I don't think a Firefox for Mobile for Android would use Qt
Mar 15 08:25:42 <inz> There's a term you don't want to abbreviate...
Mar 15 08:25:58 <timeless_mbp> QT v. Qt ?
Mar 15 08:26:24 <inz> No, Firefox for Mobile
Mar 15 08:26:49 <timeless_mbp> google says did you mean ffmpeg?
Mar 15 08:27:44 <inz> There seem to be quite a few uses for ffm
Mar 15 08:27:54 <inz> (according to wikipedia, of course)
Mar 15 08:28:29 <timeless_mbp> well, i've been to Frankfurt
Mar 15 08:28:50 * timeless_mbp has given up on focus follows mouse
Mar 15 08:29:18 <inz> I used to use sloppy focus; but gnome has spoiled me
Mar 15 08:29:30 <inz> And laptops
Mar 15 08:29:53 <Fatal> I need focus follows thought
Mar 15 08:31:19 <thiago_home> timeless_mbp: it's Qt
Mar 15 08:31:31 <thiago_home> and no, there is no work in a Qt-based Firefox
Mar 15 08:33:31 <inz> I would rather trust timeless's word on this matter.
Mar 15 08:34:25 <Stskeeps> seems like there -was- at least, http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/10/
Mar 15 08:34:41 <timeless_mbp> thiago_home: as opposed to QT? yes, that was a typo
Mar 15 08:34:41 <slaine> I remember blog posts to that nature alright
Mar 15 08:35:05 <timeless_mbp> however, the Firefox for Mobile on my n900 is Gtk
Mar 15 08:35:07 <timeless_mbp> it is on yours too
Mar 15 08:35:26 <timeless_mbp> just because someone might have private builds of a Firefox for Mobile in Qt doesn't mean it has shipped anywhere
Mar 15 08:36:04 * timeless_mbp grumbles
Mar 15 08:36:08 <slaine> I think it was for mobile either, just regular Qt
Mar 15 08:36:11 <timeless_mbp> why does the IME keep giving me hebrew?
Mar 15 08:36:30 <timeless_mbp> slaine: you're welcome to not believe me
Mar 15 08:36:42 <timeless_mbp> i've only spent my last 10 years working on Mozilla
Mar 15 08:36:55 <timeless_mbp> including being involved in at least 2, but probably more Qt ports for it
Mar 15 08:37:02 <slaine> I think I was actually agreeing with you timeless_mbp
Mar 15 08:37:11 <slaine> who spit in your coffee
Mar 15 08:37:15 <thiago_home> there have been at least three separate attempts to port Firefox to Qt
Mar 15 08:37:25 <timeless_mbp> i think actually 4
Mar 15 08:37:27 <thiago_home> those ports usually go nowhere due to lack of interest and help from Firefox developers
Mar 15 08:37:32 <lpotter> all ave ben a code and dump and run
Mar 15 08:37:34 <timeless_mbp> thiago_home: that's ok
Mar 15 08:37:45 <lpotter> all have been, that is
Mar 15 08:37:47 <timeless_mbp> there have been a number of dumb and run faceless backends too
Mar 15 08:38:06 <timeless_mbp> two attempts at doing nanox
Mar 15 08:38:22 <timeless_mbp> the fact that the trolls did dump and run is unfortunate
Mar 15 08:38:27 <timeless_mbp> and i blame them for it
Mar 15 08:38:36 <timeless_mbp> they could have maintained it from their beginning port
Mar 15 08:38:40 <slaine> Moblin 2.0 used a headless mozilla backend iirc for the the clutter based browser
Mar 15 08:38:42 <timeless_mbp> and we'd be somewhere else today
Mar 15 08:39:58 <thiago_home> but you can expect a WebKit-based browser to show up too
Mar 15 08:41:47 <timeless_mbp> where?
Mar 15 08:41:55 <timeless_mbp> there have been a couple of attempts for Maemo
Mar 15 08:42:02 <timeless_mbp> e.g. Tear
Mar 15 08:42:11 <Shrik3> every other mobile device is running webkit
Mar 15 08:42:43 * timeless_mbp has found them to be woefully uncompelling
Mar 15 08:42:54 <thiago_home> and webkit will be on the devices too, all of them
Mar 15 08:43:09 <Shrik3> mobile safari changed the way I use the web on the road
Mar 15 08:43:13 <timeless_mbp> yeah, having Qt4.5+ means there's a WebKit available
Mar 15 08:43:21 <thiago_home> 4.4+
Mar 15 08:43:23 <timeless_mbp> Shrik3: how many people have you run over?
Mar 15 08:43:35 <Shrik3> webkit on symbian sucked so hard that I stopped using it completely
Mar 15 08:43:39 <Shrik3> (and it still does)
Mar 15 08:44:20 <timeless_mbp> thiago_home: blah, no one uses 4.4 anymore ;-)
Mar 15 09:00:17 <timeless_mbp> thiago: am i correct in recalling that qt4.4 for wince didn't have WebKit? :)
Mar 15 10:15:23 <CosmoHill> anybody know a program for symbian based nokia that would measure Decibels?
Mar 15 11:24:37 * CosmoHill headbangs the des
Mar 15 11:24:38 <CosmoHill> desk*
Mar 15 11:24:56 <Stskeeps> that bad monday?
Mar 15 11:25:26 <CosmoHill> something isn't working in my program and I can't see why
Mar 15 11:25:49 <CosmoHill> i have 3 class definition files and they begin like
Mar 15 11:25:57 <CosmoHill> #define _PEOPLE 1
Mar 15 11:26:03 <CosmoHill> #include "config.hpp"
Mar 15 11:26:12 <CosmoHill> config.hpp is http://pastebin.cross-lfs.org/6818
Mar 15 11:26:38 <CosmoHill> location goes "i can't fine the definition for inventory" and fails
Mar 15 11:27:18 <CosmoHill> but i know inventory class is being loaded
Mar 15 11:30:13 <CosmoHill> great
Mar 15 11:30:28 <CosmoHill> now somehow the program includes the header file inside itself
Mar 15 11:35:07 * CosmoHill growls
Mar 15 11:35:27 <CosmoHill> by somehow changing the order of the includes stuff works
Mar 15 11:36:28 <CosmoHill> or not
Mar 15 11:56:38 <thiago> config.hpp is a bad name for an include
Mar 15 11:56:49 <thiago> worse than that is only config.h
Mar 15 11:57:37 <CosmoHill> it's annoyed me that I've remove it from all the class definition files
Mar 15 11:57:51 <CosmoHill> it seemed to not include things when it should
Mar 15 11:58:13 <CosmoHill> and include the class definition inside the same class and break everything
Mar 15 13:48:38 <shabz> anyone had problems with the bluetooth panel?
Mar 15 13:49:52 <lcuk> shabz, that would imply we have meego on our machines
Mar 15 13:50:36 <shabz> maybe some other dev :)
Mar 15 13:50:45 <shabz> who has had a go with it
Mar 15 13:52:23 <CosmoHill> the repo is out?
Mar 15 13:52:47 <Stskeeps> hm?
Mar 15 13:52:48 <Stskeeps> :P
Mar 15 13:53:49 <Anssi__> is this still day zero ?
Mar 15 13:54:12 <X-Fade> Anssi__: -15 or so.
Mar 15 13:54:25 <lcuk> the following takes place between 10 am and 11am
Mar 15 13:54:26 <Anssi__> -15 before Meepoch
Mar 15 13:54:36 <burchr> armeegoddon
Mar 15 13:54:50 <Anssi__> actually..
Mar 15 13:54:59 * lcuk thinks shabz is running 0day warez
Mar 15 13:55:01 <Anssi__> 15 before Meepoch :)
Mar 15 13:57:41 <Stskeeps> meepoch, hehe
Mar 15 15:03:07 * CosmoHill stabs IIS
Mar 15 15:03:27 <swc|666> haha
Mar 15 15:03:43 <swc|666> stab it for me once
Mar 15 15:05:42 <th0br0> ohai everyone
Mar 15 15:06:46 <swc|666> o/
Mar 15 15:06:55 <tybollt> \\o
Mar 15 15:07:16 * leinir ponders "... tybollt is a spindler?" ;)
Mar 15 15:09:21 <Anssi__> ^o^
Mar 15 15:09:32 <CosmoHill> omfg
Mar 15 15:09:36 * CosmoHill stabs IIS repeatedly
Mar 15 15:10:11 <CosmoHill> it works for no reason at all
Mar 15 15:14:30 <swc|666> CosmoHill, was it daylisght savings time thats the issue?
Mar 15 15:14:42 <swc|666> daylight savings time*
Mar 15 15:15:29 <CosmoHill> nope
Mar 15 15:15:36 <CosmoHill> it wouldn't display some pages
Mar 15 15:15:40 <CosmoHill> like index.html
Mar 15 15:15:46 <CosmoHill> but it would display index.php
Mar 15 15:15:54 <CosmoHill> and it wouldn't show a folder
Mar 15 15:40:03 <CosmoHill> rawr
Mar 15 15:40:06 * CosmoHill stabs iis
Mar 15 15:40:51 <slaine> CosmoHill: sounds like a killing rampage
Mar 15 15:41:33 <swc|666> CosmoHill, weird.. but thankfully i havent had to touch IIS in depth for sometime now :)
Mar 15 15:42:20 <CosmoHill> it works and now it doesn't
Mar 15 15:42:59 <slaine> biggest hassle I've always had with IIS has actually been the underlying ntfs security settings on the directory where the files are located
Mar 15 15:56:28 <slaine> welcome back nedrichards
Mar 15 15:57:11 <CosmoHill> screw this
Mar 15 15:57:18 * CosmoHill remove IIS and installs XAMPP
Mar 15 15:57:27 <nedrichards> slaine: hello there
Mar 15 15:58:12 <DocScrutinizer> CosmoHill: lol
Mar 15 16:02:32 <CosmoHill> phase one isn't gong to plan
Mar 15 16:08:02 <trupheenix> http://bit.ly/av6SrJ
Mar 15 16:08:13 <trupheenix> can someone explain that?
Mar 15 16:08:18 <trupheenix> rumour?
Mar 15 16:09:51 <Fatal> ah, so we're back to that, shame. oh well, unless one bought the n900 under the false pretense they were going to support meego on it this is back to what nokia said from the start pre-meego announcement, maemo 5 for n900, maemo 6 for later devices
Mar 15 16:10:24 <leinir> Please - read the entire thing :P
Mar 15 16:10:35 <Fatal> keyword being official :P
Mar 15 16:11:13 <leinir> And then think a bit further than your own back yard
Mar 15 16:13:14 <trupheenix> leinir but what would stop nokia from putting a new fs? its just a fs and a kernel.
Mar 15 16:13:19 <w00t> god.
Mar 15 16:13:26 <w00t> what's the saying?
Mar 15 16:13:31 <Fatal> leinir: I do, I only wanted to clarify for trupheenix, but I guess I was misinterped as whining :)
Mar 15 16:13:38 <w00t> misinformation runs around the world 1000 times before the truth can put its pants on?
Mar 15 16:13:45 <leinir> Fatal: No, no, it wasn't aimed at you :)
Mar 15 16:13:47 <w00t> http://wiki.maemo.org/What_can_we_realistically_expect#The_MeeGo_project_has_announced_support_for_the_N900.__What_does_it_really_mean_for_my_N900_.3F
Mar 15 16:13:56 <leinir> w00t: Thank you :)
Mar 15 16:14:45 * w00t shakes another fist @MeeGoExperts
Mar 15 16:14:56 <leinir> It was /never/ supposed to be a case of MeeGo suddenly showing up as a software update in the App Manager
Mar 15 16:15:13 <w00t> leinir: even then, that article is -really- badly worded.
Mar 15 16:15:59 <w00t> if their intention was to state that there won't be SSU from *MAEMO* to MeeGo, then that should have been emphasised rather more strongly, as that's not how it comes across at all
Mar 15 16:16:12 <w00t> and even then, there's still a big fat [citation needed] sticker across the whole thing
Mar 15 16:16:40 <leinir> Anybody got a cnet asia account so that link can get posted there?
Mar 15 16:16:49 <leinir> w00t: That too ;)
Mar 15 16:17:17 <w00t> no account, unfortunately
Mar 15 16:18:33 <slaine> commute time, catch you lot later
Mar 15 16:18:43 <w00t> cya slaine
Mar 15 16:19:01 <slaine> might be on later, if I can get some peace and quiet ;)
Mar 15 16:20:29 <thiago> the article is citing Nokia sources, but doesn't provide the link to the sources or announcement
Mar 15 16:20:46 <thiago> and the article is pointing out that it contradicts the blog from Valtteri, who is from Nokia
Mar 15 16:21:01 <burchr> thiago: exactly :-)
Mar 15 16:21:05 <thiago> so, between an unnamed, unproven Nokia source and a named, proven one, who do you choose to believe?
Mar 15 16:21:10 <burchr> thiago: that's what i meant by [citation needed]
Mar 15 16:21:19 <arachnist> SSU from maemo to meego might be not possible
Mar 15 16:21:29 <arachnist> but a flashable image should be ok
Mar 15 16:21:48 <lcuk> i dont see how else we will get even a meego baseline image on
Mar 15 16:23:53 <trupheenix> obviously a ssu is not easy but reloading the firmware is the best way.
Mar 15 16:24:20 <trupheenix> point is how could some media outlet make such a useless comment
Mar 15 16:24:40 <trupheenix> then meegoexperts on twitter puts out a statement like that
Mar 15 16:25:17 <trupheenix> obviously to an experienced developer that will sound like hog wash
Mar 15 16:25:39 <trupheenix> but to the less informed it would ring alarm bells
Mar 15 16:25:54 <trupheenix> and cause disrepute to the platform
Mar 15 16:27:40 <trupheenix> so someone give a statement or i will give one.
Mar 15 16:28:51 <arjan> was there any plan to do the same for maemo 5 -> maemo 6 ?
Mar 15 16:29:10 <javispedro> not really, at least, not public.
Mar 15 16:30:08 <VDVsx> who are these maemo/meegoexperts ?
Mar 15 16:30:28 <leinir> social media people, they're up near Birmingham :)
Mar 15 16:30:37 <leinir> (as in, the real one, not the fake one in the US ;) )
Mar 15 16:30:55 <javispedro> btw I think that this whole debacle was to be expected. even the good news were misinterpreted by the twitter media (meego will be built for the n900 gets converted into "Nokia will drop MeeGo aka N900OS 40.0 in my inbox this year".
Mar 15 16:30:57 <javispedro> )
Mar 15 16:31:37 <javispedro> but since back then those were good news, (I at least) didn't try to battle the issue.
Mar 15 16:31:38 <leinir> javispedro: Of course - this is what social media does :) Roughly as related to the truth as Fox News ;)
Mar 15 16:31:43 <VDVsx> strange, by their record they don't seem very "expert", at least in maemo :D
Mar 15 16:31:54 <Jaffa> VDVsx: Nope
Mar 15 16:32:02 <leinir> VDVsx: They're not, really, more a focus thing than an expert thing ;)
Mar 15 16:32:05 <tybollt> leinir: wtf?!? you telling me Fox News isnt telling the truth!??
Mar 15 16:32:12 * tybollt gasps in aww, sheer aww
Mar 15 16:32:42 <tybollt> or is that awe? :)
Mar 15 16:32:42 <leinir> tybollt: Didn't you know? They mostly exist to provide The Daily Show with stuff to talk about ;)
Mar 15 16:32:49 <w00t> faux news!
Mar 15 16:32:57 <tybollt> leinir: heh, that's a nice interpretation :)
Mar 15 16:33:42 <arjan> hey conservative talk radio is great
Mar 15 16:33:46 <tybollt> leinir: I'd say rather... they mostly exist to give a nice and comfy news interpretation to the Bush/Murdoch families
Mar 15 16:33:46 <leinir> tybollt: GraphJam is fun ;)
Mar 15 16:33:48 <arjan> how else do you learn how to sell your gold for cash :0
Mar 15 16:36:18 <trupheenix> hmmm me making a cnet asia account to put that link to the maemo wiki
Mar 15 16:38:46 <thiago> who is @meegoexperts?
Mar 15 16:39:32 <w00t> thiago: someone who does little fact checking on twitter, apparantly
Mar 15 16:39:34 * thiago loves to watch The Daily Show make fun of Fox News
Mar 15 16:40:02 <javispedro> is there anything really informative in that cnet article? why would it have to be in the maemo wiki?
Mar 15 16:40:12 <thiago> there's nothing in that article
Mar 15 16:40:26 <w00t> javispedro: the point is linking to the maemo wiki in a comment on that article, not vice versa
Mar 15 16:40:40 <w00t> misinformation is spreading far too fast by people who don't understand or read
Mar 15 16:42:22 <trupheenix> w00t exactly i'm putting a link to the wiki as a comment
Mar 15 16:42:29 <arjan> there's nothing that kills missinformation gunk as good as real hard facts
Mar 15 16:42:48 <w00t> arjan: yes, and I've done what I can to correct that, but there's a lot of idiots.
Mar 15 16:42:50 <thiago> arjan: where's that blog that next blog that we discussed last week?
Mar 15 16:43:02 <trupheenix> w00t unfortunately their damn facebook connect api works
Mar 15 16:43:11 <trupheenix> doesn't work
Mar 15 17:03:54 <CosmoHill> my god
Mar 15 17:04:02 <CosmoHill> XAMPP worked straight a way :o
Mar 15 17:04:09 <lbt> you called
Mar 15 17:12:20 <townxelliot> CosmoHill: XAMPP is a great tool - used it myself for several years
Mar 15 17:12:55 <CosmoHill> </sarcastic>
Mar 15 17:12:58 <CosmoHill> i knew it would work
Mar 15 21:10:01 <CosmoHill> <.<
Mar 15 21:10:02 <CosmoHill> >.>
Mar 15 21:10:06 <CosmoHill> good, nobody about
Mar 15 21:10:09 <CosmoHill> rawr!
Mar 15 21:10:25 <CosmoHill> damn shitbag program
Mar 15 21:11:21 <lcuk> CosmoHill, whilst its quiet, come hang out in #maemo :)
Mar 15 21:11:30 <lcuk> theres plenty of us chattin
Mar 15 21:11:41 <CosmoHill> damn program
Mar 15 21:15:16 <CosmoHill> i have an item class
Mar 15 21:15:29 <CosmoHill> i have an location and a people class which both use item class
Mar 15 21:15:33 <CosmoHill> location builds just fine
Mar 15 21:15:42 <CosmoHill> people fails to build unless you include item
Mar 15 21:15:51 <CosmoHill> then the program goes nuts for having item twice
Mar 15 21:17:34 <lcuk> CosmoHill, :) break your classes into header and code files
Mar 15 21:17:41 <lcuk> definition/implementation
Mar 15 21:17:52 <lcuk> then have the compiler build all 3 classes individually
Mar 15 21:18:02 <lcuk> but each looking at dependencies header file
Mar 15 21:18:16 <CosmoHill> i have
Mar 15 21:18:21 <lcuk> then ink and win
Mar 15 21:18:23 <lcuk> l
Mar 15 21:18:36 <lcuk> then your definition is borkened or your linking is incorrect
Mar 15 21:20:20 <CosmoHill> the top of the files looks like this
Mar 15 21:20:21 <CosmoHill> #include <string>
Mar 15 21:20:21 <CosmoHill> #define _PEOPLE 1
Mar 15 21:20:21 <CosmoHill> using namespace std;
Mar 15 21:20:33 <CosmoHill> the define being the class
Mar 15 21:21:57 <CosmoHill> this works fine apart from the people.hpp file
Mar 15 21:58:24 * VDVsx is a bit annoyed with all the top posting in the meego MLs 
Mar 15 21:58:49 <thiago_home> if you reply to someone who did top-post, add a polite PS about top-posting
Mar 15 21:58:57 <thiago_home> don't make an issue out of it, don't reply just because of it
Mar 15 22:00:22 <VDVsx> I simple can't understand to whom they are replying :)
Mar 15 22:05:42 <GeneralAntilles> thiago_home, we have militant top-posters on the list.
Mar 15 22:05:53 <GeneralAntilles> VDVsx, it's amazing how many people completely and utterly fail at quoting
Mar 15 22:06:01 <GeneralAntilles> top-posting, full-text quoting, etc.
Mar 15 22:06:03 <GeneralAntilles> It's not hard
Mar 15 22:06:46 <mlfoster> GeneralAntilles: as an IRC noob, where does one go to learn stuff like this?
Mar 15 22:07:31 <GeneralAntilles> mlfoster, mailing list or IRC?
Mar 15 22:07:38 <GeneralAntilles> Because quoting is generally irrelevant on IRC. ;)
Mar 15 22:07:40 <mlfoster> IRC
Mar 15 22:07:46 <mlfoster> sorry
Mar 15 22:07:53 <mlfoster> yes, you are right on that!
Mar 15 22:08:15 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie had a nice article on proper mailing list quoting procedures
Mar 15 22:08:21 <GeneralAntilles> Didn't bother to bookmark it, though.
Mar 15 22:08:32 <GeneralAntilles> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
Mar 15 22:08:40 <mlfoster> but, even with a mailing list. I see some folks reply at the top of a message, and others at the bottom, and still others scatter comments throughout an email...
Mar 15 22:08:58 <GeneralAntilles> bottom posting is generally considered the same as interleaved
Mar 15 22:09:04 <mlfoster> thanks for the wikipedia link. I will check it out.
Mar 15 22:09:06 <GeneralAntilles> top posting is really never acceptable on a mailing list.
Mar 15 22:09:48 <GeneralAntilles> Basically, only keep the text from the quote that you're actually replying to
Mar 15 22:10:05 <GeneralAntilles> and try to stick your points next to the points you're responding to.
Mar 15 22:10:20 <Jaffa> Simples.
Mar 15 22:12:14 * thiago_home prefers interleaved text
Mar 15 22:12:31 <thiago_home> though I do see the benefit of top-posted text, especially when reading email on a mobile device like the N900
Mar 15 22:12:58 <GeneralAntilles> thiago_home, mostly because Modest's quoting hasn't improved at all since it was in beta. :)
Mar 15 22:13:10 <Jaffa> thiago_home: Except when I'm mobile, I might read messages out of order
Mar 15 22:13:13 <GeneralAntilles> I'd love to kill the mailing list tag in the subject line, though. . . .
Mar 15 22:13:13 <thiago_home> it's not about writing, it's about reading emails
Mar 15 22:13:34 <GeneralAntilles> I prefer interleaved on the N900.
Mar 15 22:14:00 <thiago_home> at least the N900 download the entire message
Mar 15 22:14:06 <Jazzy_Bluesy> Hello all!
Mar 15 22:14:10 <thiago_home> on Symbian, it only downloaded the beginning
Mar 15 22:24:20 <Jazzy_Bluesy> will meego suport n900?
Mar 15 22:24:31 <Blice> Is there code yet?
Mar 15 22:27:52 <kynky> end of q2 i guess
Mar 15 22:29:15 <burchr> first code is due at the end of the month
Mar 15 22:33:21 <CosmoHill> burchr: to late, they left
Mar 15 22:34:18 * VDVsx wonders why people insist in using .cc instead of cpp :p
Mar 15 22:35:07 <kynky> whynot .d ?
Mar 15 22:35:33 * CosmoHill uses cpp and sometimes cxx
Mar 15 22:35:41 <kynky> the alphabetic increment of c
Mar 15 22:35:42 <CosmoHill> but never both in the same project
Mar 15 22:36:09 <thiago_home> because C++ is not D
Mar 15 22:36:27 <kynky> well c++ existed a long time before d did
Mar 15 22:37:54 <kynky> im just saying its kinda abitary to some extent the extension, aslong as there is convention its ok
Mar 15 22:39:03 <VDVsx> CosmoHill, if you were in a project with me the first thing that I would do was rename all your cxx files :P
Mar 15 22:39:32 <kynky> checkstyle
Mar 15 22:40:00 <burchr> can't we all just get along?
Mar 15 22:40:03 <burchr> :P
Mar 15 22:40:18 <GeneralAntilles> No! Screw you, burchr.
Mar 15 22:40:33 <burchr> :-(
Mar 15 22:40:53 * VDVsx sends beer to burchr 
Mar 15 22:41:12 <CosmoHill> it would be interesting to work on a project with you
Mar 15 22:41:35 <burchr> ~VDVsx++
Mar 15 22:41:42 <CosmoHill> atm there is a three way battle of coding styles between me, simon and dreamweaver
Mar 15 22:41:51 <VDVsx> CosmoHill, nah, I'm a nice guy ;)
Mar 15 22:42:01 <kynky> dreamweaver ?
Mar 15 22:42:02 <CosmoHill> i mean in a good way ;)
Mar 15 22:42:09 <Myrtti> it's Lisp all the way down
Mar 15 22:42:27 * kynky likes haskell
Mar 15 22:42:56 * VDVsx obligated to learn haskell at the Uni :(
Mar 15 22:43:00 <VDVsx> *was
Mar 15 22:43:01 <CosmoHill> I do web programming
Mar 15 22:43:25 <CosmoHill> VDVsx: have you found that there is a difference between being taught and forced to learn?
Mar 15 22:43:32 <kynky> haskell is awesome
Mar 15 22:44:04 <CosmoHill> it's rare
Mar 15 22:44:32 <VDVsx> CosmoHill, yes, I could have learned something more useful for me future
Mar 15 22:44:53 <VDVsx> but is not that bad, it's different let's say
Mar 15 22:45:07 <kynky> for my day job i do Java, but on the web side I use Spring MVC and jQuery
Mar 15 22:45:08 <CosmoHill> i mean a lecturer will tell you what programming language you have to use but not teach it very well to you
Mar 15 22:45:12 <koupsa> pinaize marveau 10moyene
Mar 15 22:45:16 <CosmoHill> threefore you're forced to learn
Mar 15 22:45:19 <koupsa> sorry not here
Mar 15 22:45:57 <kynky> concurrency and parallelism is the future of computing, and haskell is at the cutting edge for that
Mar 15 22:46:07 <VDVsx> I also learned Prolog, very useful as well :P
Mar 15 22:48:40 <kynky> you can get fanless gt 240 too, but i only had 1 spare slot, and they are two slots wide
Mar 15 22:48:54 <kynky> wrong chan, woops
Mar 15 22:48:58 <CosmoHill> my dad is watching a loud movie
Mar 15 22:49:18 <CosmoHill> if i go to bed now I'll wake up in star trek world
Mar 15 22:49:35 <kynky> CosmoHill, which one ?
Mar 15 22:49:42 <CosmoHill> newest
Mar 15 22:50:35 <kynky> awesome film if i forget i have ever watched any star trek before
Mar 15 22:50:45 <CosmoHill> lol
Mar 15 22:50:58 <CosmoHill> i got it on blu-ray for my dad's birthday
Mar 15 22:51:09 <CosmoHill> online prices aren't in store prices :(
Mar 15 22:51:16 <dockside> startrek II is the best
Mar 15 22:51:28 <kynky> i got it on 1080p too, witth 5.1 surround sound and big amp, is mega awesome
Mar 15 22:51:36 <Clay> khan!!!!!!!
Mar 15 22:51:46 <kynky> i prefer first contact
Mar 15 22:51:48 <dockside> :)
Mar 15 22:52:05 <kynky> le cutis
Mar 15 23:52:02 <CosmoHill> cyas
Mar 16 02:14:14 <Blice> hum
Mar 16 02:14:21 <Blice> has arjan been around?
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