**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 16 02:59:56 2010 Mar 16 06:03:37 http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/15/cowon-v5-review/ Mar 16 06:03:39 what a cute ui Mar 16 08:22:45 <|RMX|> hello Mar 16 08:23:45 <|RMX|> does anyone know if meego will be compatible with N900? Mar 16 08:24:29 it's going to have a reference implementation for n900 Mar 16 08:24:32 go read meego.com :) Mar 16 08:25:23 <|RMX|> ive been on the site but its more like "hanging" information Mar 16 08:25:49 the best and only source of information for that answer is the website Mar 16 08:25:52 read the blog Mar 16 08:26:07 anything else you may find is second-hand information Mar 16 08:26:40 <|RMX|> ok i'll check again Mar 16 08:26:46 <|RMX|> thanks Mar 16 08:27:00 thiago: hey, am i right in recalling that Qt4.4 for wince didn't have WebKit? :) Mar 16 08:32:37 <|RMX|> i guess there really are no definite answers until we see it .... Mar 16 08:57:00 timeless_mbp: you're right Mar 16 08:57:42 i stand by my 4.5 ;-) Mar 16 08:57:54 please do Mar 16 08:57:55 :-) Mar 16 08:58:27 i'm pretty sure i picked the number 4.5 earlier because i remembered the 4.4 introduction wasn't a complete rollout Mar 16 08:59:10 right Mar 16 08:59:13 it was the first release Mar 16 09:15:24 morn achipa Mar 16 09:15:47 morn Stskeeps Mar 16 09:15:59 how's it going? Mar 16 09:19:43 Stskeeps: just the usual morning activities, testing, promoting, telling Niels what I broke :) Mar 16 09:19:47 hehe Mar 16 09:19:54 achipa: Ehm? :) Mar 16 09:20:04 On my second coffee, so be gentle ;) Mar 16 09:21:44 X-Fade: the usual headache, promoting PyQt stuff :) Mar 16 09:23:11 X-Fade: do you need to manually promothe the rest of the packages too, or should that work now ? (though we're OT here, heading back to #maemo) Mar 16 11:50:21 Stskeeps: Ovi? :) Mar 16 11:50:38 Duh, wrong window ;) Mar 16 12:58:00 anyone know when the new meego os for netbooks will be released? Mar 16 12:58:36 yes, but I can't tell you :-P Mar 16 13:00:14 shahin: hrm, i don't think anyone's going to release an "old meego os for netbooks" Mar 16 13:00:25 (thiago could correct me) Mar 16 13:02:30 will the upcoming meego toolchain based on scratchbox? Mar 16 13:03:26 No Mar 16 13:04:18 hopefully not Mar 16 13:04:39 cc Mar 16 13:04:41 hopefully OBS Mar 16 13:06:33 OBS and cross-compilation Mar 16 13:07:30 what are home devs going to build test apps with? Mar 16 13:07:37 for arm Mar 16 13:13:04 qtcreator? Mar 16 13:13:41 AIUI, they're integrating it with some toolchain or another Mar 16 13:16:36 Madde? Mar 16 13:16:54 that's the one Mar 16 13:17:06 * leinir still has to try that one out :) Mar 16 13:17:19 yeah. I've mostly found scratchbox to be "good enough" for my needs Mar 16 13:22:02 * lupine_85 reads about zypp, feels better about rpm Mar 16 13:24:11 There you go :) Mar 16 13:25:56 my last proper rpm experience was suse 10.1 ;) Mar 16 13:26:03 says it all, really Mar 16 13:28:36 ;/ Mar 16 13:35:14 my last RPM experience was probably this weekend :-P Mar 16 13:36:11 I assume that zypp is some opensuse rpm manager then Mar 16 13:37:54 C based, yeah Mar 16 13:38:34 let's rewrite it in assembly to make it faster Mar 16 13:40:03 no, run it on the DSP Mar 16 13:40:10 that is a great idea Mar 16 13:40:13 we must do it for great justice Mar 16 13:40:16 (would SAT be quicker on a DSP?) Mar 16 13:43:26 in terms of library, it looks like a really good idea Mar 16 13:43:36 who knows, perhaps it even makes opensuse usable Mar 16 13:43:46 (last I touched it, it really wasn't) Mar 16 13:51:00 same here, I always want to try opensuse but then I remember the bloat and pain I had the last time and I get put off Mar 16 14:49:08 slaine: you still want to? I stopped touching something with 'suse' written on it years ago Mar 16 14:50:25 gouverneur: Occasionally my geeky side wants to try it out 'cause it's something different Mar 16 14:50:54 yeah, I'm not going to Mar 16 14:51:07 if I want something different, I'll have a first-tiem run at slackware Mar 16 14:51:11 or retry arch Mar 16 14:51:39 those people being scared of meego not coming to n900 r pissing me of by now... Mar 16 14:52:09 ? Mar 16 14:52:27 slaine: on the community ml Mar 16 14:52:33 at the meego mailinglist they start now aswell... Mar 16 14:52:47 ah, never signed up to that one Mar 16 14:52:51 gouverneur: To be honest, nobody actually said it will. Mar 16 14:52:59 not enough to have the forums spammed with Mar 16 14:53:25 " and very raw baseline to a source and binary repository to build MeeGo trunk on Intel ATOM boards and Nokia N900." Mar 16 14:53:47 X-Fade: surely someone did Mar 16 14:53:51 X-Fade: yes but from telling that the core will run on n900 you can tell that it will come Mar 16 14:55:16 slaine: That N900 will be a reference platform, yes. Mar 16 14:55:19 "a final decision has not been made" Mar 16 14:55:29 slaine: Not that it will be a commercial product ;) Mar 16 14:55:36 reference platform is good enough for me :) Mar 16 14:55:38 right Mar 16 14:55:51 TBH, as long as I've got a kernel with support for all the hardware in the phone, I'm happy Mar 16 14:55:57 Which can basically mean, you can use it to develop MeeGo software on. Mar 16 14:56:10 Not that it will be anything pleasant to use as end user ;) Mar 16 14:56:11 so same status as the previous n[89][01]0 tablets then when it came to new releases ? Mar 16 14:56:55 and someone said that n900 will get harmattan a few weeks ago when it was about .debVS.rpm Mar 16 14:57:02 For example, it might not be a phone but a tablet for some time. Mar 16 14:57:43 mm Mar 16 14:57:47 X-Fade: might happen... Mar 16 14:57:48 As I don't know if there is any open phone software available to be used on the short term? Mar 16 14:58:05 I imagine drivers etc. are the main blocker on full n900 support and the ability to release them fully ? Mar 16 14:58:06 can't be that hard to hack $random_sip_program Mar 16 14:58:28 slaine: Drivers is actually something that has been worked around a bit already. Mar 16 14:58:29 slaine: drivers may remain closed Mar 16 14:58:44 slaine: Re-distributing might be an issue though. Mar 16 14:59:02 I can picture a similar world of pain as those with Menlow platforms Mar 16 14:59:23 and nokia may still have some closed source with their *firmware* for any device Mar 16 14:59:34 (the Intel / PowerVR GMA500/Poulsbo chipset) Mar 16 15:01:06 I hope there will be special features in compatibility between the meego versions like meeSync, meeView etc Mar 16 15:02:26 I guess it depends on how soon meego gets working phone with ofono, there's already an ofono driver that works with n900, so.. Mar 16 15:14:09 GeneralAntilles: But you can run any kernel in open mode. Mar 16 15:14:24 X-Fade: wrong channel Mar 16 15:14:28 Ugh, bad day wrt windows today ;) Mar 16 15:14:37 ;) Mar 16 15:52:49 those people are realy dipping into a URL typo these days... Mar 16 15:55:20 clearly they've nothing better to talk about :) Mar 16 15:55:24 or do for that matter ;) Mar 16 15:59:59 leinir: back to work then ;) Mar 16 16:00:13 them lazy bums! ;) Mar 16 16:05:09 interesting post from imad there on gtk+ support Mar 16 16:05:46 slaine, links help context Mar 16 16:06:18 lcuk, you not on the dev mailing list ? Mar 16 16:06:26 http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-March/000890.html Mar 16 16:06:43 wot he pasted Mar 16 16:06:49 In short: GTK+ will, almost certainly, be part of the core MeeGo software platform Mar 16 16:07:28 slaine, usually theres more than one place to post something - if you mean the ML let people know where they can look, if you meant a forum post - give links etc Mar 16 16:07:39 k Mar 16 16:07:56 thx tho Mar 16 16:09:27 I'm not sure it will be part of "core" Mar 16 16:09:31 there may be different core levels Mar 16 16:12:24 Hi slaine Mar 16 16:12:29 thiago, Mar 16 16:12:32 et al Mar 16 16:14:06 * slaine waves at dneary Mar 16 16:14:59 what's the size of GTK+, does anyone knows ? (more of less) Mar 16 16:15:21 only the core libs, of course Mar 16 16:18:29 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 689K Feb 18 23:11 /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0.1800.7 Mar 16 16:18:32 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.1M Feb 18 23:11 /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.1800.7 Mar 16 16:30:26 VDVsx, How do you measure size? Mar 16 16:32:17 installed size :D Mar 16 16:33:24 so, uh Mar 16 16:33:37 steering group meeting friday.. where? Mar 16 16:33:38 but that will be less important in the future IMO, a few MB in a +32gb partition is nothing Mar 16 16:34:15 Stskeeps, your house ? :D Mar 16 16:34:27 * GeneralAntilles bets on conference call. Mar 16 16:35:06 where's that info btw ? Mar 16 16:35:38 VDVsx, will all meego implementations have the full 32gb available for system libraries? Mar 16 16:35:52 hi Mar 16 16:35:56 how can I install gnome? Mar 16 16:35:56 unlikely Mar 16 16:36:30 imad mentioned it on mailing list Mar 16 16:37:01 lcuk, probably not, that's why I agree with thiago's email (some will not have GTK+) Mar 16 16:37:32 meego on cig lighters viable then Mar 16 16:37:36 imagine a IVS with a Qt UI, probably not need to have GTK+ Mar 16 16:37:48 s/not/no Mar 16 16:38:15 industrial valve services? Mar 16 16:39:19 err, the current name IVI,I think Mar 16 16:39:31 anyway in vehicle system Mar 16 16:40:11 also known as IVI Mar 16 16:40:37 probably IVS is wrong :p, dunno Mar 16 16:41:59 IVS: Intelligent Vehicle System Mar 16 16:42:02 IVI: In-Vehicle Infotainment Mar 16 16:43:01 "Infotainment" sounds weird :D Mar 16 16:43:20 * Stskeeps ponders idly about the 'next TSG meeting' formulation instead of 'first' :P Mar 16 16:44:02 it's because it provides info (maps, GPS, etc) as well as entertainment (radio, sometimes video) Mar 16 16:44:54 thiago, doesn't really make it less weird Mar 16 16:44:58 and it doesn't apply to just cars. Mar 16 16:45:05 So it's rather non-specific. Mar 16 16:45:43 GeneralAntilles, onstar support for your bike is a bit OTT tho Mar 16 16:46:06 sounds like a made up word :D Mar 16 16:46:53 VDVsx: it is a made up word Mar 16 16:47:21 All words are made up. Mar 16 16:47:39 well, you know what I tried to say :) Mar 16 16:49:23 GeneralAntilles: except for those that aren't, yep. Mar 16 16:49:49 slonopotamus, language is not a natural construct. :) Mar 16 17:07:59 * lupine_85 does hope he can attend the TSG meeting Mar 16 17:08:20 the repo on Mar 16 17:08:21 ..e Mar 16 17:09:29 the repo wg meeting you mean :P Mar 16 17:10:15 yuss Mar 16 17:10:23 I'm going to be in deepest cornwall Mar 16 17:10:38 hopefully there'll be magic power for my phone so I can get magic xchat Mar 16 18:17:32 I encourage my friend at work to install tracking software for his iPhone to see when my n900 with limited software supply arrives :) Mar 16 18:19:20 *giggles* Interesting way of solving a problem :) Mar 16 18:19:42 As if sitting somewhere hitting refresh on a browser wasn't enough... ;) Mar 16 18:22:04 koivula: some days ago some iphone stockholm syndrom guy asked me to dodge his graphing app, I took gnuplot and scripted it in less than 1 minute... he had no further questions Mar 16 18:23:21 *giggles* it's just so much fun :) Mar 16 18:28:12 hmmm, about time I was off to the pub Mar 16 18:28:31 mew Mar 16 18:28:48 I won't be around tomorrow, so I'll wish you all a beannachtaí lá feile padraig Mar 16 18:28:49 I'm gonna have to start doing versioning on my project Mar 16 19:10:42 hollo Mar 16 19:10:48 s/hollo/hello Mar 16 19:10:57 damn bot Mar 16 20:03:01 anyone want to see what my awesome program looked like when i started working on it today? Mar 16 20:03:25 why not? Mar 16 20:03:35 open termianl and type "cat /bin/cat" Mar 16 20:03:41 cos that's what it looked like :( Mar 16 20:03:47 oops Mar 16 20:04:28 later on i might ask what you guys think of it and for advise / areas of improvement Mar 16 20:04:49 don't cat binary files? :) Mar 16 20:05:17 oh no, that's just what my program looked like Mar 16 20:05:25 i think a constructor had failed Mar 16 20:05:37 cat /dev/mouse /dev/watchdog Mar 16 20:06:08 * CosmoHill goes to create a svn repo Mar 16 20:06:19 that way if it all goes wrong i can just jump back some versiosn Mar 16 21:03:32 hello i'm glad to hear about the merge of meego and maemo Mar 16 21:04:10 :) Mar 16 21:04:12 we're glad you're glad Mar 16 21:04:29 i tested recently mblin on my new netbook acer ONE D250 ans i noticed some slow things and i don't know if that's normal or due to my image Mar 16 21:05:00 ShadWolf: nvidia graphics cards? Mar 16 21:05:04 ok so here are my "problems" first i byte writed the img file on a SD card Mar 16 21:05:31 no atom n 270 1.6ghz and intel chipset Mar 16 21:06:07 I noticed a cool app to set up the keyboard Mar 16 21:06:31 but the new layout mapping of the keyboard is not kept Mar 16 21:06:59 i noticed unlike chromeOS there is an option install when you boot the moblin image Mar 16 21:07:28 i noticed the SD intallation can't keep the new soft downloaded Mar 16 21:09:36 since SD card allows to write on it that should be normal to kept the conf and the new intalled software on it Mar 16 21:10:13 i noticed firefox is dead slow when pages involve big background image and flash stuffs Mar 16 21:11:24 so is it possible to install moblin on my SD once and for all instead of having it running as live mode Mar 16 21:11:45 there fore do i need a swap partition on the SD card ? Mar 16 21:19:40 rawr Mar 16 21:19:47 silent mode should vibrate Mar 16 21:19:59 and it does, if you tell it so. Mar 16 21:20:11 i know that now Mar 16 21:56:32 yay, Reading 1 - 0 QPR Mar 16 21:57:33 Quadratic Phrase Recognition?-) Mar 16 21:58:47 hehe Mar 16 21:58:52 Queen's Park Rangers Mar 16 22:02:44 mmm, backlite keyboard Mar 16 22:47:02 woot.. there is an irc channel. I <3 freenode Mar 16 22:58:43 hey csgeek Mar 16 23:26:23 hey all.. how's it going everyone? Mar 16 23:27:56 good Mar 16 23:28:00 family is awesome Mar 16 23:42:18 * GeneralAntilles finds it funny to see such hardline sourcism on the lists for a project which is going to bask in proprietary differentiation, signed firmwares, and simlocks. Mar 16 23:43:17 I really wanna see meego... I getting anxious Mar 16 23:43:25 14 days Mar 16 23:43:26 I NEED a new toy .. Mar 16 23:44:06 yeah... then I need to figure out how to install it on my N1 and save myself another half grand Mar 16 23:44:07 GeneralAntilles: such cynicism Mar 16 23:44:19 csgeek: you're UK? Mar 16 23:44:31 lbt, it tends to grow over time. ;) Mar 16 23:44:35 heh Mar 16 23:44:40 US Mar 16 23:44:47 ah, nm :) Mar 16 23:44:54 why do you ask? Mar 16 23:45:00 was going to suggest a Joggler Mar 16 23:45:01 lbt: what did you wanna know? Mar 16 23:45:10 as a cheap new Meego toy Mar 16 23:45:24 lbt, joggler fails on 1 specific area Mar 16 23:45:33 it's shiny though Mar 16 23:45:45 its very shiny Mar 16 23:45:51 very very shiny Mar 16 23:45:56 i cant have it on my knee without either power source or usb sticking out Mar 16 23:46:05 yeah Mar 16 23:46:16 the core idea is perfect and i give it 100/100 Mar 16 23:46:29 the implementation is just a bit scewed Mar 16 23:46:45 * lbt had an interview offer from O2 for today... Mar 16 23:46:54 didn't go... but wonders... Mar 16 23:47:07 yeah you said Mar 16 23:47:21 ? Mar 16 23:47:26 kinda mentally didn't link it to the joggler though Mar 16 23:47:27 lbt: you're english? Mar 16 23:47:34 :) Mar 16 23:47:38 was thinking telco architecture roles :) Mar 16 23:47:41 Cosmo[PB]: yes Mar 16 23:47:45 yay Mar 16 23:48:13 you have spoken about jogglr for a while, ive got one in my house because of you :) Mar 16 23:48:35 having mer/meego on it will be good Mar 16 23:48:39 oh god.. their slogan is "The new fridge door" Mar 16 23:48:42 It's fun picking out what people actually mean by "MeeGo" Mar 16 23:48:55 need to find a way to sort out the power/usb tho Mar 16 23:48:59 £1.20 per litre :o Mar 16 23:49:23 * lcuk has other ideas for joggler Mar 16 23:49:24 Cosmo[PB]: bastards Mar 16 23:49:54 I was surprised last time I topped up my car, 44L for £1.08 each Mar 16 23:50:13 +3p in the budget next week too iirc Mar 16 23:50:24 * lbt is glad he works from home! Mar 16 23:50:34 i mean it's meant to his £1.20 in the next 2 weeks Mar 16 23:50:44 OK 'night all Mar 16 23:51:02 cyas Mar 16 23:51:08 oo on mo Mar 16 23:51:15 what part of england? Mar 16 23:51:19 reading Mar 16 23:51:23 yay Mar 16 23:51:31 1 - 0 to QPR today :) Mar 16 23:51:35 who? Mar 16 23:51:39 reading fc Mar 16 23:51:42 who Mar 16 23:51:48 football Mar 16 23:51:50 oh, football Mar 16 23:51:54 I've heard of that Mar 16 23:52:21 * lbt prefers dancing Mar 16 23:52:23 lbt "soccer" :p Mar 16 23:52:30 (that riles tracy Mar 16 23:53:40 right... the cat is complaining... gotta go Mar 16 23:53:53 meow! Mar 17 00:02:17 no... football is the correct term Mar 17 00:02:43 you kick the ball with your foot.. how much more appropriate can the term be? Mar 17 00:06:46 the americans have football, they have use their hands too Mar 17 00:16:24 22.6 Mbits/sec Mar 17 00:16:28 :) Mar 17 00:20:52 cyas **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Mar 17 02:59:57 2010