**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 19 02:59:56 2010 Mar 19 04:31:13 hello Mar 19 04:31:45 has any one startphone using this OS? Mar 19 06:11:46 is Max here? "Will Qt 4.7 then create rpm´s? I still would prefer a deb. rpm is just fedora and suse. debian is much better." Mar 19 06:11:53 That sentence is just incredible. :) Mar 19 06:15:40 hah Mar 19 06:18:07 morning qgil Mar 19 06:20:41 qgil, morning as well! Mar 19 06:20:45 I don't want to feel left out. Mar 19 06:38:39 TigerTael: so what is your area of interest where you want to feel in? Mar 19 06:40:35 Nah, nothing really, I'm just here to learn really. ;] Mar 19 06:40:44 I'm still new to Maemo. Mar 19 06:40:55 And yes, I know this is meego. Mar 19 06:44:32 I am eager to get my hands on a meego build for my N900... and I know that's going to be a while. Mar 19 06:49:37 morning tekojo Mar 19 06:49:53 Morning Stskeeps! Mar 19 06:50:01 terrible weather here Mar 19 06:50:11 10 cm of fresh wet snow everywhere Mar 19 06:51:19 supposed to be 12 C here today Mar 19 06:51:48 * tekojo feels envious of snow clean streets Mar 19 06:52:01 we had like 2-3 days a dump of 20-30 cm Mar 19 06:52:17 the system running the weather is messed up :) Mar 19 06:52:31 Yes, pretty badly Mar 19 06:52:54 the spring in west coast usa is a month ahead of schedule Mar 19 06:53:09 and I'm beginning to feel we have that extra cold month here Mar 19 07:06:52 * qgil worries when the topic at #meego is the weather... ;) Mar 19 07:07:20 then again, #maemo had bacon as topic quite often Mar 19 07:08:28 Stskeeps: also true Mar 19 07:59:12 is today meeting postponed? Mar 19 07:59:38 yeah, till wednesday Mar 19 09:09:10 anyone know, how to checkout one single file of specific GIT commit? Mar 19 09:10:45 don't think it's possible Mar 19 09:11:54 try git reset Mar 19 09:15:17 hey, google tells Mar 19 09:15:33 git show COMMIT:file > my_file Mar 19 09:15:41 work for me Mar 19 09:30:40 Openfree, nice Mar 19 09:50:07 Openfree: also: git checkout COMMIT -- my_file Mar 19 09:50:13 that checks it out and adds to the index Mar 19 11:06:39 anonyme say how launch moblin-dm or uxlaunch with startx because i have load nvidia driver in ion lite computer nvidia work well but i have a withe blanck screen no ui from moblin Mar 19 16:22:51 Decided to install the Lucid Beta 1 over Moblin 2.1 Mar 19 16:23:04 hey slaine Mar 19 16:23:14 figured i'd give it a shot while waiting for MeeGo 1.0 Mar 19 16:23:26 Hey CosmoHill Mar 19 16:23:31 been pretty quiet here today Mar 19 16:23:41 isn't it always? Mar 19 16:27:35 CosmoHill: perhaps you and I should get the ball rolling and argue about .deb Vs .rpm, but really be talking about Debian Vs. Redhat, 'cause we don't know any better. Mar 19 16:31:32 Apparently, Meego is not literally a RedHat Mar 19 16:31:49 So, I would not pose the argument this way right now. Have to wait and see. Mar 19 16:32:23 I downloaded from the Fedora repo and it won't install on meego, why ?? Mar 19 16:33:03 my backback is 6.3Kg :o Mar 19 16:33:23 CosmoHill, fing a blessed bag of holding.. Mar 19 16:33:25 find Mar 19 16:34:28 thinkgeek + local priest should do it Mar 19 16:43:55 slaine: You do understand that we are getting these folks even with Maemo4/Maemo5? Mar 19 16:44:17 slaine: I mean, folks trying to install x86 Ubuntu packages to the tablets Mar 19 16:44:45 Indeed Mar 19 16:45:03 So just imagine what happens when something like this gets released to the unwashed^wungeeky masses Mar 19 16:45:06 RST38h: ... Mar 19 16:45:25 Really Mar 19 16:45:27 Oh dear god Mar 19 16:46:05 I've built a basic RPM based distro so you can see why packages from other distros won't work Mar 19 16:46:13 leinier: Ungeeky masses have no idea what packages are. They will install via app manager Mar 19 16:46:33 RST38h: i'm not a babylon5 character ;) Mar 19 16:46:47 The problem is not ungeeky masses. The problem is stupid selfish american teenagers playing geeks Mar 19 16:46:56 A very good point, yes Mar 19 16:47:14 (ok, to a lesser degree, this is true for other countries of origin) Mar 19 16:47:24 I love the way you managed to get the word "american" into that statment Mar 19 16:47:37 ;) Mar 19 16:47:42 Cosmo: Well, the statistics do single these out Mar 19 16:47:47 I remember some kid showing you how to get the IP of people on a website Mar 19 16:47:58 85% of all statistics are right Mar 19 16:48:00 and how fast their internet is Mar 19 16:48:07 did you know there are 17 people on google.com! Mar 19 16:50:13 my friend was loling at it Mar 19 16:50:40 the kid has just done trace route from cmd to google and thought it was showing the users of the website Mar 19 16:51:11 Oh well... You should read some tmo threads where eager masses discover game console emulators... Mar 19 16:51:22 Or just ask javispedro, he will tell you all about it :) Mar 19 16:51:54 if i could i would love to remove people from the internet Mar 19 16:51:59 i mean if you can't teach them Mar 19 16:52:20 They are mostly write-only, they barely read stuff Mar 19 16:52:33 I had one guy saying how stupid and useless we all are and we had a thread showing he was ignoring all advice given Mar 19 16:54:59 i kinda like teaching people Mar 19 16:58:12 tbh where I hang out on the internet i'm pretty protected from idiots Mar 19 17:13:13 I get a lot of stuff like "your wifi driver doesn't work with the latest kernel" Mar 19 17:13:54 wifi is evil Mar 19 17:14:01 even on windows Mar 19 17:14:15 well, it's more people not realizing that they've to rebuild the driver for each kernel release Mar 19 17:14:16 only reason mum's PC ever bluescreened Mar 19 17:18:47 * RST38h wonders why Linux still has no kernel-independent dynamically loaded device drivers Mar 19 17:18:57 ooo Mar 19 17:19:12 would be nicer if the drivers were open source Mar 19 17:46:07 if i wanted to start developing for meego i'd start off with downloading moblin 2.1? correct? Mar 19 17:51:09 heffer: depends what you'd like to do Mar 19 17:51:15 I guess that would depend on w... beat me to the punch Mar 19 17:51:27 :D Mar 19 17:51:48 i'd like to dig into packaging Mar 19 17:52:08 basically i'm preparing a tutorial for MeeGo dev's on packaging Mar 19 17:52:29 heffer: you can just as well start by writing your app based on clutter or qt on the desktop and integrate when the final stack will be announced Mar 19 17:53:09 i'm pretty proficient on packaging for Fedora so i wanted to see what the differences are Mar 19 17:53:46 heffer: meego is using obs like suse, not sure about fedora Mar 19 17:54:39 heffer: investigate the OBS Mar 19 17:54:56 robsta, okay thanks for the info. i think the build service doesn't really matter for how the packaged need to be prepared Mar 19 17:55:22 that's essential (speaking as the guy who wrote similar tutorials inside Nokia for their prospective meego developers...) Mar 19 17:55:29 heffer: obs is using spec-builder is that what fedora is using too? Mar 19 17:57:57 fedora uses koji for building Mar 19 17:59:11 ah, so when you say "meego devs"? Mar 19 17:59:23 who do you mean? Mar 19 17:59:38 (Just trying to understand to point you in the best direction) Mar 19 17:59:58 i mean the community. including the Maemon devs who are switching from deb Mar 19 18:00:12 the people who want to get their apps on the device Mar 19 18:00:18 OK Mar 19 18:00:54 some guys from the fedora project thought it might be nice to prepare some resources and a IRC classroom for interested developers Mar 19 18:01:07 and before i do that i'd like to be familiar with the platform Mar 19 18:01:08 would be amazingly useful Mar 19 18:01:56 so basically our idea is to have a day (most likely on a weekend) where there will be a session on RPM packaging as well as Q&A for the day Mar 19 18:02:46 FYI http://wiki.meego.com/Debian_users_translation_guide Mar 19 18:03:28 heffer: I'd like to help you co-ordinate that if I could Mar 19 18:03:37 er, stupid question, what is zypper? Mar 19 18:03:48 I started out as the Mer build guy Mar 19 18:04:05 heffer: Mer was the "as open as possible" port of Maemo Mar 19 18:04:19 and I used OBS to build it Mar 19 18:04:29 so now I work for Nokia and am designing/deploying the OBS internally Mar 19 18:05:00 I'm also part of the Meego packaging worgroup Mar 19 18:05:09 we're very keen on helping people do exactly what you describe Mar 19 18:05:25 and of course many of us have no clue about rpm-isation :) Mar 19 18:05:40 kebax: it's like aptitude Mar 19 18:05:50 or maybe mor apt-get Mar 19 18:05:57 yeah, I realized through google Mar 19 18:06:13 as I said, stupid question =) Mar 19 18:06:16 so that link ^^ Mar 19 18:06:22 should help Mar 19 18:06:36 if you read it you are morally obliged to update it Mar 19 18:06:53 :D Mar 19 18:07:04 so meego uses zypper? because fedora uses yum Mar 19 18:07:24 heffer: honestly I am not authoritative on these matters Mar 19 18:07:43 I asked that question and got told "yes, it uses zypper" Mar 19 18:07:53 but until we see some code... Mar 19 18:08:02 lbt, because if this if it was copied over from suse it might be wrong Mar 19 18:08:08 strange Mar 19 18:08:15 zypper wasn't in moblin nor maemo Mar 19 18:08:18 it kinda makes sense to have a C based system on these devices though Mar 19 18:08:20 because afaik moblin is based on fedora Mar 19 18:08:25 it does Mar 19 18:08:30 heffer: no, it's not Mar 19 18:08:30 yum is slow as hell-ish :D Mar 19 18:08:40 yeah there's a lot of "we're not based on anything" going around Mar 19 18:08:48 slaine, oh i always assumed that :D Mar 19 18:08:58 everyone does for some reason Mar 19 18:09:25 and whilst I acknowledge that... I think we should establish/maintain relationships with a big distro Mar 19 18:09:27 this Mer, it runs on Nxx series? Mar 19 18:09:35 I couldn't tell you how many people have come onto the #moblin channel looking for help because they installed fedora repos and busted their install Mar 19 18:09:36 kebax: yes.. Mar 19 18:09:45 slaine: heh Mar 19 18:10:00 slaine, well the wikipedia article says so. maybe it needs some correction Mar 19 18:10:03 kebax: although Mer is in transistion atm Mar 19 18:10:22 "Moblin 2's Core distribution is based on recent builds of Fedora" Mar 19 18:10:37 GeneralAntilles: ah, ping here.... Mar 19 18:11:02 I think Arjan used Fedora to boot strap some early packages when they switched from a Ubuntu based Moblin 1 distro to Moblin 2. But he also used some OpenSuse packages Mar 19 18:11:04 GeneralAntilles: wikipedia is wrong .... go fix it ;) Mar 19 18:11:12 well Fedora is very interested in establishing a relation with Meego to share our knowledge on RPM Packaging Mar 19 18:11:21 heffer: cool Mar 19 18:11:27 we hope to prevent the reinvention of the wheel :) Mar 19 18:11:31 heffer: Have you spoken with Peter Robinson ? Mar 19 18:11:42 and I'm rather hoping we can get some multi-distro colaboration going too Mar 19 18:11:53 slaine, i know him personally but i haven't contacted him regarding this matter yet Mar 19 18:12:21 ok, well then you'll know he's managing the Moblin/MeeGo rpms for Fedora so Mar 19 18:12:34 we're pretty much in the planning phase of this collaboration and i was the one that stepped up to kick it off Mar 19 18:12:35 though, this is an rpm workshop rather than anything specific Mar 19 18:12:44 good man Mar 19 18:13:05 so heffer are you busy this sunday night ;) Mar 19 18:13:10 I think alot of the maemo guys would really appreciate an expert about the place Mar 19 18:13:14 http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_a_Repository_working_group Mar 19 18:13:32 and i got backing from some RedHat guys so i hope that we can establish a good relationship with Meego Mar 19 18:14:02 that group ^^ will be having our first meeting Mar 19 18:14:10 * CosmoHill noms dinner Mar 19 18:17:08 lbt, i see you have Andreas Osowski on board. he's one of our guys and I know him personally as well Mar 19 18:17:17 http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-dev Mar 19 18:17:38 and sadly he worked like a champ to arrange this and then it looks like he can't make it Mar 19 18:17:56 as it is I'll be running into a hotel somewhere in Helsinki... Mar 19 18:18:16 i'm on meego-dev already :) Mar 19 18:18:21 'k Mar 19 18:19:05 okay so when is this meeting going to be? Mar 19 18:19:12 was just about to ask that Mar 19 18:19:12 so, I think we need to wait until the code is out Mar 19 18:19:26 http://doodle.com/wg3pp9yyxcmfk7sd Mar 19 18:19:33 heh thought I posted it Mar 19 18:19:39 I thought it was supposed to be postponed until after the TSG meeting. Mar 19 18:19:50 when the code is going to be out? Mar 19 18:20:04 I hope not - I was glad the TSG was postponed Mar 19 18:20:10 I want to tell them what to do ;) Mar 19 18:20:19 lmao Mar 19 18:20:21 good one lbt Mar 19 18:20:31 * lbt is serious :) Mar 19 18:20:33 I think it'll be a case of "this is what we're doing" Mar 19 18:20:36 lbt, okay I added myself Mar 19 18:20:47 we should be proposing the best solutions and reasons for anti-decisions Mar 19 18:20:55 and ease their load Mar 19 18:21:04 and estalish community credibility Mar 19 18:21:18 lbt, you and both know thats not what they want right now Mar 19 18:21:30 ^I Mar 19 18:21:36 really? Mar 19 18:21:43 this area isn't contentious Mar 19 18:22:06 there's some discussion to be had about providing build service resource Mar 19 18:22:15 but we can put an Extras proposal up Mar 19 18:22:31 yes, thats true, but my understanding was that we where being told this as part of the TSG Mar 19 18:22:45 nah - read the agenda Mar 19 18:23:06 the WGs need to get their acts together Mar 19 18:23:17 and then present coherent proposals to the TSG Mar 19 18:23:27 right Mar 19 18:23:35 if we're a bit off the wall (Debian pkging springs to mind) Mar 19 18:23:44 Perhaps I'm wrong so, I've not been involved in a community setup like this before Mar 19 18:23:45 then they/we need to iterate until sane Mar 19 18:24:04 We're kinda pulling in the maemo principles Mar 19 18:24:06 JFDI Mar 19 18:24:18 we have a reasonable remit Mar 19 18:24:26 But based on what Imad had posted on the list earlier in the week, I took it that they'll be telling us what they've decided is happening for release Mar 19 18:24:41 * slaine isn't trying to shit stir here Mar 19 18:24:45 Oh, there'll be variations... sure Mar 19 18:25:02 but if we say "A" and they say "B" then we know where we stand Mar 19 18:25:12 and we can agree on A,B or C Mar 19 18:25:19 ok Mar 19 18:25:24 ideally A and A' Mar 19 18:25:51 we'll just have to wait and see I guess Mar 19 18:26:00 hmmm, I disagree Mar 19 18:26:02 bacon! Mar 19 18:26:08 * CosmoHill backreads a bi Mar 19 18:26:08 I think there are a lot of calls to action Mar 19 18:26:09 bit* Mar 19 18:26:15 not calls to wait and see Mar 19 18:26:16 :) Mar 19 18:26:19 hehe Mar 19 18:27:02 So the plan then is to get together on Sunday at 20:00 UTC for a repo WG meeting, we then agree on what we agree on, and put forward a proposal to TSG Mar 19 18:27:12 essentially Mar 19 18:27:15 cool Mar 19 18:27:26 I'm already signed up Mar 19 18:27:42 I've my folks over for sunday dinner, so I just hope I remember :) Mar 19 18:27:49 heh Mar 19 18:28:13 * lbt looks for a clue who slaine is.... Mar 19 18:28:22 Adrian? Mar 19 18:28:25 nope Mar 19 18:28:37 oh, you're on the wiki Mar 19 18:28:40 lbt, /whois helps :D Mar 19 18:28:44 not the doodle Mar 19 18:29:11 oh yeah Mar 19 18:29:44 http://slaine.org Mar 19 18:30:00 ah... a "3rd party repo" guy.... Mar 19 18:30:03 damn web brower, history keeps disapearing Mar 19 18:30:14 we tried to eradicate your kind in maemo.org ;) Mar 19 18:30:24 I have your name now :) Mar 19 18:30:28 I'm hoping to be made redundant Mar 19 18:30:39 actually we tried to remove any incentive to need to do that :) Mar 19 18:30:39 lbt: and your's too Mar 19 18:30:42 which is better Mar 19 18:30:56 I'm only doing it 'cause there was nothing else for Moblin Mar 19 18:31:06 (CosmoHill: ah, hifi.... meant to comment on that .... l8r) Mar 19 18:31:06 slaine/slaine/blog/blog - you sure love redundancy! Mar 19 18:31:23 feckin crappy software more like Mar 19 18:31:28 lbt: the subwoofer i linked to yesterday? Mar 19 18:31:34 I'm too lazy to setup something else Mar 19 18:31:39 I rarely blog anyways Mar 19 18:31:43 slaine: heffer, yeah, the whole OBS thing should make a lot of that unneeded.... *if* we do it right Mar 19 18:32:08 nod Mar 19 18:32:13 that's why I wanted to be involved Mar 19 18:32:28 there shouldn't be a need for something like my repo Mar 19 18:32:39 part of what I want meego OBS to do is host home:user projects as the openSuse OBS does Mar 19 18:32:41 i never worked with OBS before so i'm probably not qualified on commenting that :D Mar 19 18:32:51 heffer: you're going to like it I think Mar 19 18:32:55 it's not a build system Mar 19 18:33:05 it's a build system manager/scheduler Mar 19 18:33:36 basically what koji is for us in Fedora Mar 19 18:33:49 internally it uses mock for building Mar 19 18:34:08 the nice thing about OBS is it works for Debian/UBuntu/RH/Fedora/SLES.... Mar 19 18:34:08 * CosmoHill wonders how old slaine is Mar 19 18:34:15 personal repositories unfortunately is not part of koji yet. see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JesseKeating/KojiPersonalRepos Mar 19 18:34:25 lbt, that is indeed very nice Mar 19 18:34:30 koji can't do that Mar 19 18:34:38 we built Mer which is ubuntu based... using OBS Mar 19 18:34:50 CosmoHill: I'm ancient Mar 19 18:35:25 heffer: I'd love to see mainstream distros looking at OBS more seriously Mar 19 18:35:43 projects like KDE use it to provide multi-distro packages Mar 19 18:35:52 (oh and it supports multi-arch too) Mar 19 18:35:53 okay so when I'm getting deeply involved with MeeGo i might want to get a N900 then :D Mar 19 18:36:14 get one anyway... the most open phone you can buy today Mar 19 18:36:50 * lbt loves his N900 Mar 19 18:37:06 first i need to scrape the money together :D Mar 19 18:37:06 absolutely agree, thing's brilliant :) Mar 19 18:37:24 in fairness, the first release will be for netbooks Mar 19 18:37:36 slaine: don't be so sure... Mar 19 18:37:37 but I'd love to get some sort of ARM box for testing/dev on Mar 19 18:37:56 as soon as the code is out there's some hackers who can already dual boot N900 Mar 19 18:38:01 490€ + shipping is the cheapest i can find atm :D Mar 19 18:38:05 lbt, when was Harmattan due for shipping ? Mar 19 18:38:10 * lbt is ashamed not to have Mer on his Mar 19 18:38:17 no clue about H Mar 19 18:38:25 bbias Mar 19 18:39:02 based on how Intel have managed Moblin previously, I'm guessing that code won't be released until they have at least a meego 1.0 for netbooks beta image available for use Mar 19 18:39:29 also, given the timelines, I'm sure that we'll see MeeGo 1.0 by April 15-17 Mar 19 18:39:41 slaine: beagleboard is probably your best bet Mar 19 18:40:32 ml-mobile: yeah, was looking at that Mar 19 18:40:42 I'm also in the process of trying to get a Tegra dev board Mar 19 18:41:00 okay i'm away for now Mar 19 18:41:07 serious BBQ going on Mar 19 18:41:13 slaine: I'd love an ARM / MIPS box too Mar 19 18:42:24 kinda sucks that most dev kits cost several thousand Mar 19 18:42:46 :o Mar 19 18:43:19 most that aren't mostly bare boards, at least Mar 19 18:43:21 I'm doing it through work though as I do have an actual project in the works that I'd like to use MeeGo on Mar 19 18:43:36 cool Mar 19 18:44:07 would be good if you could get some kind of PCI / PCI-E ARM add in card that you can run stuff on Mar 19 18:44:26 slaine: Meego code will be out before April 1 :) Mar 19 18:44:32 it's been announced Mar 19 18:44:54 CosmoHill: ? Mar 19 18:45:05 buy any cheap ARM based device Mar 19 18:45:10 SmartQ, N800 Mar 19 18:45:27 and 99% of the development is done via qemu Mar 19 18:46:40 you guys are going to be in for an amazingly nice surprise when you type "osc build my-qt-app meego arm7vel" Mar 19 18:46:59 and a short while later get an arm rpm built on your desktop Mar 19 18:47:29 that will rock alright Mar 19 18:48:04 lbt, I must have missed have that announcement, got a url ? Mar 19 18:50:33 http://meego.com/community/blogs/valhalla/2010/towards-day-one Mar 19 18:50:43 "Nokia and Intel have set the target to open the MeeGo repository by the end of this month." Mar 19 18:51:02 Oh right, I read that, but obviously it didn't sink in Mar 19 18:51:07 thanks Mar 19 18:51:11 np Mar 19 18:52:14 ah yes, the famous paragraph that mentioned the n900 too Mar 19 18:58:14 lbt, any idea about which parts / tools are going to be out on day 1? Mar 19 18:58:34 no, sorry, I have no special knowledge Mar 19 19:00:43 lbt, np, I don't suppose we'd have a full stack. Just curious about what sort of dev env / toolbox we'd have Mar 19 19:00:44 phre, qt-doc is a beast of a download Mar 19 19:00:53 s/phre/phew Mar 19 19:01:07 * CosmoHill needs to play games and chill out Mar 19 19:01:11 it'll be worth it for my n00b skillz with qt Mar 19 19:01:38 gaveen: oh, I expect a fairly full stack. No phone apps of course - but X should be there. Most everything in Moblin :) Mar 19 19:01:56 my advice right now is to go learn OBS Mar 19 19:02:09 lbt, that's my guess too :) Mar 19 19:02:42 lbt, any pointers to good resources regarding OBS (for Moblin)? Mar 19 19:03:18 gaveen: well, you can run this deb-oriented tutorial I wrote : http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build Mar 19 19:03:29 it's enough to get you into OBS Mar 19 19:03:51 then find some rpm stuff on the openSuse OBS and try that... Mar 19 19:04:04 lbt, thanks, already found http://en.opensuse.org/Moblin/Build_Service Mar 19 19:04:06 just treat it as a disposable playtime Mar 19 19:04:45 yeah - that's suse's "moblin compliant" I think Mar 19 19:04:51 OK.... bbl8r Mar 19 19:05:47 lbt, thanks for the advice. I sure am excited. Although I haven't used OBS have packaged RPMs before. Will try those Mar 19 19:08:40 * slaine reads lbt's guide Mar 19 19:37:23 * Stskeeps glances at the n900 questions thread Mar 19 19:40:32 would probably be good to take the (sane) stance that closed source does not belong in the shared system amongst all devices. but in hardware support parts closed source may exist but the project will hand-held the vendor towards being more open Mar 19 19:40:49 hand-hold, that is Mar 19 19:41:24 Stskeeps++ Mar 19 19:47:27 Stskeeps: wasn't that already covered ? Mar 19 19:47:45 I'm sure I saw something to that effect on the meego site Mar 19 19:48:57 well, i kinda hope so Mar 19 19:49:06 except you're expecting people to actually read those materials Mar 19 19:49:06 :P Mar 19 19:50:45 Common sense has never stopped anybody from having a nice, hefty zealoty rant ;) Mar 19 19:51:04 * Cosmo[PB] stabs netgear Mar 19 19:51:17 what routers / modem / all in one boxes do you guys have? Mar 19 19:51:32 i like my asus wl500gp Mar 19 19:51:40 not a modem though Mar 19 19:52:38 oh poop, i left my laptop in my bag on standby Mar 19 20:01:45 Why am I still in the office Mar 19 20:02:32 Catch you guys over the weekend Mar 19 20:02:52 have fun Mar 19 20:04:21 * mmeeks wonders what happened to the 1st TCS meeting scheduled for now ... Mar 19 20:04:26 s/TCS/TSC/ Mar 19 20:05:00 mmeeks: it was moved to wednesday Mar 19 20:05:03 it was on mailing list Mar 19 20:05:15 Stskeeps: urgh; presumably in a different thread ? :-) Mar 19 20:06:28 [Meego-community] TSG meeting moved to Wednesday 24 , on meego-dev as well Mar 19 20:07:51 thanks Stskeeps Mar 19 20:08:13 * mmeeks just doesn't see that mail Mar 19 20:08:25 * mmeeks checks spam filter again Mar 19 20:12:00 lol :p Mar 19 20:12:16 uhh, Stskeeps, my mails never made it to the ml? Mar 19 20:13:43 don't think so Mar 19 20:14:11 :S Mar 19 20:14:15 just resent them Mar 19 20:14:21 we'll see in a bit Mar 19 20:14:58 wb Mar 19 20:23:08 uhh Stskeeps should the mail not arrive within the next 10-15 min, would you mind sending it for me? :D Mar 19 20:25:04 yeah Mar 19 20:25:07 ah it arrived :D Mar 19 20:35:13 lbt, hmm? Mar 19 20:38:01 lbt, Wikipedia isn't a project a contribute to anymore. Mar 19 20:40:42 just the meego entry... Mar 19 20:43:05 lbt, yeah, too many run-ins with teapot dictator administrators. Mar 19 20:43:26 np... just mentioning it Mar 19 20:44:00 Not a place I want to waste my time trying to improve anymore when everybody administration-side seems interested only in forwarding their own messed up agendas and making actual, positive work impossible. Mar 19 20:44:07 It's a sick culture over there. Mar 19 20:44:17 * Stskeeps submits his thoughts on the whole n900 questions thread Mar 19 20:44:18 :P Mar 19 20:44:34 maybe qgil or dawn should update it Mar 19 20:45:20 Stskeeps: I deleted my reply... Mar 19 20:46:13 it started "you do realise there is no plasma gun?" Mar 19 20:46:34 lbt, i personally think we found a reasonable middle way in Mer which those who were not extremists were able to accept Mar 19 20:46:53 * Stskeeps thinks the extremists are a minority compared to the practically minded people Mar 19 20:46:54 *nod* Mar 19 20:47:02 yep, vocal minority Mar 19 20:47:23 seems jebba was actually quite black/white Mar 19 20:47:46 we had a nice long chat in pm but he got stressed out over the closed forum Mar 19 20:48:54 just what is that lo~ng 900 questions thread about? Mar 19 20:48:56 I'm taking the line: "If you don't join in until it's 100% free and there's no more work to do then you're just another freeloader" Mar 19 20:49:54 th0br0: it meanders Mar 19 20:50:09 * lbt thinks people are killing time until the code appears Mar 19 20:51:06 likely so. Mar 19 20:51:35 after all, it's been umm 1 month already and there is no real foundation for this community yet Mar 19 20:52:02 it's coming wednesday Mar 19 20:53:21 lbt, it's more of a full-picture view than a black and white one.. wanting to grow foss ecosystem, except people's methods on doing so differ Mar 19 20:54:45 * Stskeeps thinks a successful project with a closed forum contributes more than a nonsuccessful project with a open forum :P Mar 19 20:55:39 lbt: Stskeeps: open source, ninja style Mar 19 20:55:39 :P Mar 19 21:03:17 * Cosmo[PB] noms a sandwich Mar 19 21:07:00 lbt, plus the poison. Mar 19 21:17:29 GeneralAntilles: ? Mar 19 21:17:37 * lbt lost context Mar 19 21:17:43 jebba brought an awful lot of poison to the table. Mar 19 21:18:26 but also contributions. Mar 19 21:18:57 Hopefully enough to offset the enthusiasm-killing attitude. Mar 19 21:19:20 lo wazd Mar 19 21:20:12 GeneralAntilles: a lot of people have rather poisonous attitudes from time to time Mar 19 21:20:22 GeneralAntilles: people can change Mar 19 21:20:33 burchr, no doubt, I count myself among them more often than I'd like. Mar 19 21:20:51