**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 22 03:00:02 2010 Mar 22 04:02:46 hi is true that meego is joining with moblin ? Mar 22 04:04:37 maemo is merging with moblin to form MeeGo Mar 22 04:05:48 oh, I was trying to find support for my wireless driver on my aspire one, and was hoping someone can help Mar 22 04:05:57 Is this a good channel ? Mar 22 04:06:37 I don't have ethernet on my laptop and want to follow the instructions but think it might be easier to install a 3rd party wifi driver Mar 22 04:07:33 err Mar 22 04:08:28 meego sources aren't out yet, #moblin is probably still around Mar 22 04:09:30 I tried but no answer, there was a ton more of support here so I checked here first, I have an idea though so it may work Mar 22 08:39:02 moving on from rpm vs deb to hardware adaptation closed source discussion.. Mar 22 08:39:10 at least we're having these early on Mar 22 08:39:12 :P Mar 22 08:42:50 I have to admit I wasn't really believing in full opensourceness of the various meego instances, even though every PR would say meego was fully opensource/free etc. Mar 22 08:43:24 it's just that some notice that later than other, or just lower their expectations Mar 22 08:43:33 well Mar 22 08:43:37 it depends on what you define as meego Mar 22 08:43:37 :P Mar 22 08:43:45 if meego is the core, then yes, it's open source Mar 22 08:43:46 :P Mar 22 08:45:12 Stskeeps: except that meego seems to be the brand too Mar 22 08:45:22 Stskeeps: which means that's what people will see on their device Mar 22 08:45:48 it might be (it is) confusing, and thus leads to fud quite easily Mar 22 08:45:51 maybe we -do- need a marketing wg Mar 22 08:45:51 :P Mar 22 08:46:02 Stskeeps: why bother? Mar 22 08:46:07 we'll have 10 marketing groups Mar 22 08:46:09 one per vendor Mar 22 08:46:19 we already have them, don't we? Mar 22 08:46:38 well, we'll get more, i don't know who most of them are :) Mar 22 08:48:08 i would appreciate working drivers over openness Mar 22 08:48:30 * Stskeeps has same attitude Mar 22 08:48:39 silly pragmatists Mar 22 08:48:52 how dare you not be vigilant extremists! Mar 22 08:50:15 i have fought too many hours to do simple tasks like adding sound card/video card/ Mar 22 08:53:08 Anssi__: why would it need to be such a trade-off Mar 22 08:53:35 Anssi__: there are open drivers which work fine Mar 22 08:53:59 in x86 world Mar 22 08:54:00 :P Mar 22 08:54:25 Stskeeps: do you suggests there are _no_ open/working drivers in arm world? :) Mar 22 08:54:27 -s Mar 22 08:54:56 Corsac: no, but it is not often seen people successfully reverse engineer :P Mar 22 08:55:25 Stskeeps: my point is that hw vendors could open the drivers themselves (and some do), like in x86 world Mar 22 08:55:52 maybe it's not as mature as x86 world in that matter, but it'd still be nice (and technically possible) Mar 22 08:57:35 Corsac: and they are, but it is a uphill battle :P Mar 22 09:01:10 possible? yes Mar 22 09:01:15 now go convince them Mar 22 09:01:47 hopefully they keep meego at least open for extending like in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open/closed_principle Mar 22 09:03:27 I'm hoping that the core is open and that if you are selective about your HW, you only need open drivers Mar 22 09:17:19 lo dneary Mar 22 09:17:33 hi Mar 22 09:17:42 how's it going? Mar 22 09:19:39 good! Mar 22 09:19:41 And you? Mar 22 09:20:05 good good, spent most of my weekend hacking :P Mar 22 09:20:19 today i have a lazy streak, not sure it was a good choice to work in weekend :) Mar 22 09:21:05 Stskeeps, that is weekend well spent :) Mar 22 09:21:38 Stskeeps, On Mer? Mar 22 09:21:58 Stskeeps, Do you know of anyone who's tried to get Fremantle working on an N810 with no 3D? Mar 22 09:22:14 dneary: that's what i'm doing at the moment with the mer^2 stuff Mar 22 09:22:27 the problem is everything needs to be recompiled to armv6+vfp vs armv7 Mar 22 09:22:34 so i have to do some changes Mar 22 09:28:49 Stskeeps: Would you have any use for a TI Zoom2? Mar 22 09:28:55 dneary: got one :) Mar 22 09:29:11 The GNOME Foundation had a couple donated by TI and don't know what to do with them Mar 22 09:29:21 heh Mar 22 09:29:27 i'd keep it around for meego work and maemo5 development Mar 22 09:29:34 we have a port of m5 on it Mar 22 09:32:34 it is a really nice development platform for mobile development Mar 22 09:45:31 * Stskeeps glances at meego-dev and sighs a bit Mar 22 09:45:43 +1 Mar 22 09:45:44 i presume i shouldn't bother Mar 22 09:45:54 I'm thinking of marking that folder as Read Mar 22 09:47:17 you could use it to build a killfile :) Mar 22 09:47:38 time for some toast me thinks Mar 22 09:48:10 Stskeeps: is there a log of the meeting last night online ? I'd like to see what happened after I had to sign off Mar 22 09:48:16 slaine: th0br0 will put it out Mar 22 09:48:25 Stskeeps: gramd Mar 22 09:48:32 s/gramd/grand Mar 22 09:49:08 I had to miss the meeting :( Mar 22 09:49:47 we'll prolly have one soon enough again after the first TSG meeting as to help put things into perspective Mar 22 09:50:19 At least we're all on the same page, which was good to see Mar 22 09:51:17 wb wazd Mar 22 09:51:22 i wouldn't have minded a broader scope, but that's me :) Mar 22 09:52:06 A blessing for the actual working group would be nice too ;) Mar 22 09:53:31 the thing is also really if to target it being a WG - seems like there's going to be groups not directly referring to TSG as well Mar 22 09:54:33 Yes, but I think the group will overlap into some technical platform decisions. Mar 22 09:54:47 So it can't be standing on it's own. Mar 22 09:55:00 my gripe was a bit that repo group seems to center around 'extras' while it should be bigger :P Mar 22 09:57:12 Stskeeps: You want it from core builing to obscure platforms and everything in between? :) Mar 22 09:59:00 X-Fade: more along lines of being a cross team function for packaging and integration (policy development, collaboration spaces, etc) Mar 22 10:00:10 Makes sense. Would definately be a more complex target though. Mar 22 10:00:19 yeah Mar 22 10:00:33 cos current team probably won't scale Mar 22 10:02:15 Well, question is who does all this now? Mar 22 10:02:23 that's also what is not really known Mar 22 10:03:22 There are teams working, preparing things but not in the open. So that is hard to find out atm. Mar 22 10:03:46 yeah Mar 22 11:12:26 tekojo: your jabber looks a bit unstable :) Mar 22 11:16:42 * burchr hands Stskeeps the nailgun Mar 22 11:17:05 glueguns are usually more friendly Mar 22 11:17:05 :P Mar 22 11:18:07 it's the only way Stskeeps can nail someone Mar 22 11:18:27 Stskeeps which one :) Mar 22 11:18:28 oi, i'm married Mar 22 11:18:54 tekojo: not the google one Mar 22 11:19:08 hehe Mar 22 11:19:47 cvm I think I'm on with three different machines Mar 22 11:19:52 ah Mar 22 11:20:10 And they are not playing nice together Mar 22 11:24:28 Stskeeps: you might say that, until you've had hot glue shot all over you Mar 22 11:24:33 (I have, it's not friendly) Mar 22 11:42:15 was wondering when the n900 goes to meego will it have a new user interface or perhaps an upgraded version of its current? Also any idea when we might get a MiFi application? Mar 22 11:42:37 noone knows yet Mar 22 11:42:47 and nobody ever will Mar 22 11:43:02 eventually we will lol Mar 22 11:44:18 love the device though, had previous n800 and n810 models.. i miss a lot of the features... anyone found a way to unrar anything on the n900 yet? Mar 22 11:45:18 can download all the rar'd up movies and video's i want with this thing but can't extract them.. grr.. Mar 22 11:45:44 ech0dish, have a google about for rar maemo? Mar 22 11:46:01 ech0dish: see if you can locate source for diablo, it should be possible to decompile Mar 22 11:46:30 maemo5 can run diablo? Mar 22 11:46:42 huh Mar 22 11:46:44 it's worth a try with the deb from there Mar 22 11:46:56 yeah i'll try it Mar 22 11:47:33 thx for the tip, will try and compile a few diablo apps to see Mar 22 11:52:42 Now I truly understand why Steve doesn't want flash on his mobile devices. Mar 22 11:53:03 * CosmoHill hears the word flash and stabs adobe Mar 22 11:54:06 watching a SD video shouldn't take that much processing power :( Mar 22 11:54:58 Hell most of shitty flash even get my 2.8GHz Core 2 Duo to use it's other core 100%. Mar 22 11:55:13 CosmoHill, http://xkcd.com/676/ Mar 22 11:55:55 * CosmoHill bursts out laughing Mar 22 11:56:06 (IRL i'm just smiling) Mar 22 11:56:50 i found something weird Mar 22 11:57:02 in power saving mode the processor performace is capped Mar 22 11:57:04 http://xkcd.com/619/ Mar 22 11:57:07 :) Mar 22 11:57:13 but most of the time it doesn't affect the quailty of the flash video Mar 22 11:57:22 it still used 100% load but the processor is cooler Mar 22 11:58:08 meego work for ion nvidia ? Mar 22 11:59:10 maybe Mar 22 11:59:45 I'd like to know why adobe uses 100% load with no difference in quaility when the processor is limited Mar 22 11:59:57 and will use 100% load when it's unlimited and just overheat Mar 22 12:00:30 uh.. 100% of cpu is quite much. Mar 22 12:00:43 almost as much as 110% Mar 22 12:00:51 yep. Mar 22 12:00:53 sometimes it's just better to download the flash video and play it in VLC Mar 22 12:01:20 based purely on processor temperature, I'd say flash 10 is worse than flash 9 Mar 22 12:01:46 people in cold climates appreciate the heating effect Mar 22 12:01:52 youtube is used to warm up houses Mar 22 12:02:06 my processor uses 10W and gets up to 66'C Mar 22 12:02:13 throw another lolcat onto the fire Mar 22 12:02:20 i have try meego found madecko img but this dont load in ion nvidia Mar 22 12:02:27 lcuk: I have a friend who compiles Qt repeatedly when it gets cold Mar 22 12:02:43 and moblin load but no easy to have nvidia supported Mar 22 12:02:46 why doesnt that surprise me w00t Mar 22 12:03:00 :) Mar 22 12:03:44 asy2: i think you need to use the older nvidia driver Mar 22 12:03:54 I used the newest and moblin is unuseable Mar 22 12:04:06 w00t: lol Mar 22 12:04:29 in the winter when I was younger I used to get out of my bed, start the PC folding and get back into bed for 10 mins Mar 22 12:04:32 industry is very closed and i not understand well why nokia com in in intel developement moblin for create meego Mar 22 12:04:34 iv'e heard that there should be coming sort gpu support in latest beta flash Mar 22 12:04:59 *i have.. Mar 22 12:05:05 they need to rewrite flash from screatch imo Mar 22 12:05:32 now i have installed chromuim-os but wifi failed Mar 22 12:05:41 it worked at least on my linux box (farmville was smoother :) Mar 22 12:06:35 sometimes it's better to use MPlayer instead of [D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[DVLC Mar 22 12:06:50 i should probably mention that I'm on a mac Mar 22 12:06:56 (powerpc) Mar 22 12:07:02 woow Mar 22 12:07:40 "well, that's what you get from buying a mac" Mar 22 12:07:43 CosmoHill ok but i have already recompliling Xorg and kernel i try later port from my gentoo moblin Mar 22 12:07:51 powerpc... Mar 22 12:07:52 i have a mac Mar 22 12:07:59 macmini Mar 22 12:08:24 and a imax mini HP Mar 22 12:08:52 * CosmoHill stabs joppu Mar 22 12:09:04 http://mplayerosx.sourceforge.net/ Mar 22 12:09:21 i hear that at uni Mar 22 12:09:42 they're basically going "well it's your fault that you can't run something your computer was never designed for" Mar 22 12:10:27 haha Mar 22 12:10:48 CosmoHill: I've an iMac G5 at home Mar 22 12:10:53 cool Mar 22 12:11:12 nice machine, at 1.8Ghz it too runs at 100% when flash loads up Mar 22 12:11:16 i hate they way they say it's my fault Mar 22 12:11:30 Answer of the ignorant Mar 22 12:11:44 i've used my laptop nearly every day since I've had it :) Mar 22 12:11:46 btw, I have VLC as a hilight on irssi, so I can bitch at people every time they mention it. Mar 22 12:12:12 joppu: why ? Mar 22 12:12:37 slaine: in my head I'm thinking "why don't you just get a room with MS and fuck each other, cos that's what you really just wanna do" Mar 22 12:12:49 slaine: 'cause it sucks Mar 22 12:12:58 CosmoHill: lol Mar 22 12:13:16 joppu: very articulate answer there, thanks. Mar 22 12:13:22 he'll use a MS product over anything else Mar 22 12:13:40 joppu's clocked up two awesome answers so far Mar 22 12:13:42 apart from the adobe stuff he stole Mar 22 12:13:46 which is going around all the students Mar 22 12:14:03 apparently I'm a moron for actually buying my software Mar 22 12:14:23 CosmoHill: who's "he" Mar 22 12:14:28 I'm sure this will all come down to Flash on iPad Mar 22 12:14:30 guy at uni Mar 22 12:14:36 right Mar 22 12:14:54 joppu: just what you need, something to keep your lap warm Mar 22 12:15:07 Student in opinionated shocka, news at 11 Mar 22 12:15:34 get two iphones and you can have warm hands in the winter Mar 22 12:15:44 joppu, at least it works bettern than mplayer Mar 22 12:16:04 "Steve Jobs is our hero because he fights Adobe" what would these people say if the new Microsoft OS was incompatible with Flash Mar 22 12:16:13 koivula: yeah, on a Mac Mar 22 12:16:27 joppu, yes :) Mar 22 12:19:35 joppu: Steve Jobs is their hero because he produces shiny smooth substitutes for the objects of their sexual desire Mar 22 12:20:08 * RST38h actually took his time to compose this definition as precisely as possible Mar 22 12:20:53 My iPhone and I appreciate that RST38h, thanks Mar 22 12:21:04 i think i will be soon allergic for apples. Mar 22 12:24:42 only reason to get an iPhone, BoxedIt Mar 22 12:24:54 I'll play it whenever my mate leaves his phone near me Mar 22 12:27:54 i have not ever owned apple product but it's first time for everything. Brainwashing seems to be working. Mar 22 12:28:36 *never Mar 22 12:29:17 rawr Mar 22 12:29:26 in the channel topic: "Do not PM users" Mar 22 12:29:28 what do people do to me Mar 22 12:31:32 CosmoHill: Or rather "PM users at your own risk" Mar 22 12:31:42 lol Mar 22 12:33:53 damn you IE, why do you have to be different Mar 22 12:35:32 for some reason it defaulted to bold Mar 22 13:18:53 hello humans :) Mar 22 13:20:04 hello there Mar 22 13:20:46 can MEEGO run on arm9 Mar 22 13:20:59 what's that, armv4t? Mar 22 13:21:03 and noone knows yet Mar 22 13:22:45 MeeGo, coming soon Mar 22 13:37:59 desktop has decided it's a good idea to do a backup now Mar 22 13:41:44 is Adrian Yanes in this room? Mar 22 13:43:30 unluck Mar 22 14:07:26 13:47:42 up 113 days, 15:56, 1 user, load average: 1.17, 1.20, 0.98 Mar 22 14:36:01 CosmoHill: that being... Mar 22 14:36:15 * CosmoHill scrolls up to see what he said Mar 22 14:36:18 my server Mar 22 14:51:12 qgil: did you ever get your nokia 3g book drivers working ? Mar 22 14:52:45 slaine: no, I gave up Mar 22 14:52:59 will the noka booklet run meego? is it atom based or pemntium m? Mar 22 14:53:13 I found out afterwards, that for some reason, the IVI install came with an xorg.conf file Mar 22 14:53:26 slaine: now I'm wondering whether I should wait for MeeGo to ship the drivers (no idea if it will happen) or install Windows 7........ Mar 22 14:53:30 you have to login to runlevel 3, configure the xorg.conf and try again Mar 22 14:54:08 However, you end up with and Xfce desktop and not the Moblin UX Mar 22 14:54:23 and I'm not even sure if the Moblin UX works on the gma500 drivers they provided Mar 22 14:54:33 slaine: well, getting familiar with the Moblin UX was the intend :) Mar 22 14:54:38 i seem to recall uxlaunch neing unhappy Mar 22 14:54:41 nod Mar 22 15:04:31 son of a bitch, the whole adobe store is flash Mar 22 15:06:59 in the channel topic: "Do not PM users" -- in #maemo topic: Getting spammed? /mode YOURNICK +R Mar 22 15:07:14 ? Mar 22 15:07:17 what does that do? Mar 22 15:39:10 * CosmoHill rawrs Mar 22 15:49:23 +R probably sets "you have to be identified to services to msg me" Mar 22 15:57:33 th0br0: I'm supposed to be operating our lovely meetbot on Wednesday at the TSG meeting - anything I should do or know? Your help is appreciated Mar 22 15:58:25 qgil: We could probably do a practice meeting, so you can try it out? Mar 22 15:58:34 lol, we didn't use it last night I think Mar 22 15:59:43 qgil: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot Mar 22 15:59:59 not a lot but in tsg it will for sure be needed.. Mar 22 16:00:34 qgil: Or rather: http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html Mar 22 16:01:39 X-Fade: a practice meeting this evening would be fun :) Mar 22 16:01:58 I wanna see the logs for that ;) Mar 22 16:02:17 or at the time that suits you best, actually Mar 22 16:02:33 I just need 2 hours of no-computer from now on :) Mar 22 16:03:01 qgil: have a nice evening! Mar 22 16:03:07 We need th0br0 to be awake at least. Mar 22 16:03:13 bye bye qgil Mar 22 16:04:16 th0br0 awake and me not sleeping - seems doable :) Mar 22 16:04:49 so I'll go get some fresh air (Helsinki is still pretty good at providing *fresh* air) :) Mar 22 16:04:50 go get some coffee Mar 22 16:05:04 bye Mar 22 16:05:07 bye Mar 22 16:05:24 thiago: there's probably a starbucks near him Mar 22 16:05:32 even better Mar 22 16:05:37 no Starbucks in Oslo though Mar 22 16:05:43 :o Mar 22 16:05:46 yet... Mar 22 16:08:08 thiago, neither in Finland afaik Mar 22 16:08:36 and Finland is the country that consumes more coffee per capita :P Mar 22 16:09:18 bah, you call that coffee earth-clan! Mar 22 16:11:14 VDVsx: because you never heard of espresso or because you drink that much espresso? Mar 22 16:12:11 Corsac, I only drink expresso, but I'm not in Finland, just heard that ;) Mar 22 16:12:59 well, sometimes I drink bad coffee but only abroad :P Mar 22 16:13:20 * VDVsx his coffee addicted :P Mar 22 17:02:39 VDVsx: we have starbucks in HEL Mar 22 17:03:20 … Ben and Jerry's, TGI Fridays, Pizza Hut, McDonalds Mar 22 17:03:31 we used to have Esso, but i think they left Mar 22 17:03:38 timeless_mbp, is it new ? I read a article a while ago with the info above, probably outdated Mar 22 17:03:47 not very Mar 22 17:03:56 oh, we also have Roger's and Pete's Coffee Mar 22 17:04:52 perhaps late 2008 i guess Mar 22 17:04:54 it's been a while Mar 22 17:05:07 interesting, so googling starbucks finalnd gives a lot of bad info :p Mar 22 17:05:14 just tried, ehehe Mar 22 17:05:23 damn you google!!! Mar 22 17:07:38 VDVsx: there's no starbucks here last i checked Mar 22 17:08:19 zeenix, timeless_mbp knows one it seems ;) Mar 22 17:12:20 http://plazes.com/plazes/130549_starbucks_17th_s perhaps? Mar 22 17:12:35 http://www.starbucks.com/store-locator Mar 22 17:12:42 says no, to me Mar 22 17:14:53 i'll get pictures some day when i'm not sick Mar 22 17:37:37 Hi Mar 22 17:52:46 will meego running on nokia 5800 Mar 22 17:53:50 edo_v: if you're able to hack your nokia 5800, there could be an image for it Mar 22 17:54:01 but you can't flash and hack it the way you want Mar 22 17:54:36 ok Mar 22 18:06:05 roger, pete? you forgot wayne ;> Mar 22 18:17:23 lol Mar 22 18:17:29 Just buy a real device. Mar 22 18:17:40 5800 has no 3D Mar 22 18:18:04 So, no, no MeeGo Mar 22 18:18:29 * RST38h cackles suggestively at that Mar 22 18:34:52 besides, 5800 can't boot linux kernel :) Mar 22 18:41:48 GAN900, I can run quake1&2&3, so not that bad :P Mar 22 18:41:52 on the 5800 Mar 22 18:41:58 lol Mar 22 19:17:40 * qgil reads http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html Mar 22 19:21:24 q Mar 22 19:28:02 I wonder the best way to handle the questions that DawnFoster will forward to the TSG meeting, using the commands at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot Mar 22 19:28:05 perhaps this: Mar 22 19:28:19 #info VDVsx asks bla blu bli Mar 22 19:28:28 and then the answer Mar 22 19:28:51 #info Imad answers: mumble mumble Mar 22 19:29:16 or #agreed Valtteri says: etc etc Mar 22 19:32:49 qgil - do I need to do any of this when I enter the question into the #meego channel? or will you handle all of the commands to meetbot? Mar 22 19:33:08 DawnFoster: you can forget about the bot Mar 22 19:33:23 DawnFoster: although you can introduce commands if you wish - but easier in following meetings Mar 22 19:33:28 #info & #info sounds better to me, since #agreed have other meaning according to the doc above Mar 22 19:33:49 qgil - cool, thanks Mar 22 19:34:09 also, I've created #meego-meeting-questions which is where people will post questions Mar 22 19:34:28 will be easier than parsing them out of back channel conversations at #meego. Mar 22 19:35:04 hey DawnFoster and qgil Mar 22 19:35:36 #meego-alternative-meeting :-P Mar 22 19:36:19 hey cosmohill Mar 22 19:37:12 i was about to ask, when is the test meeting Mar 22 19:37:43 VDVsx: ok #info #info then Mar 22 19:39:12 CosmoHill: depends on th0br0 's availability - forgot to ask huim yesterday when he was ruling the repo meeting Mar 22 19:39:22 we can have a meeting to discuss what commands to accept and have the test meeting in one go Mar 22 19:39:51 * CosmoHill guesses he should come out of #meego-alternative-meeting Mar 22 19:39:59 if need be i can probably set up a meetbot Mar 22 19:40:04 thiago_home I think we should have a prep meeting before the test meeting (kidding( Mar 22 19:40:33 * thiago_home thinks meetings are only good to set the time for the next meeting Mar 22 19:41:13 thiago_home: plus an action to decide the place Mar 22 19:42:02 For the alternative channel we should agree on a tag for the questions as well (e.g: Question: bla bal), this way the mod can set their IRC client to highlight that tag, and easily filtrate any side talk Mar 22 19:43:30 VDVsx: I've created a separate channel for questions at #meego-meeting-questions Mar 22 19:44:04 DawnFoster, yes, but people will talk about the questions for sure, always happens :) Mar 22 19:44:34 can be a bit disturbing for you Mar 22 19:47:02 VDVsx I know, but hopefully, I can separate some of it from the rest of the chatter. Mar 22 19:47:09 this first one is going to be fun :) Mar 22 19:53:10 DawnFoster, :) pleased there will be an open channel for questions, it will help the other moderators also to see Mar 22 19:55:34 lcuk: we thought it would be more transparent & other people can help by letting me know if I missed an important question Mar 22 19:55:59 lcuk: I suspect that we'll have more questions than we can answer during this first TSG Mar 22 19:56:35 yeah, its mostly for your sanity - having a single pair of eyes means you wont catch everything Mar 22 19:56:48 lcuk, exactly! Mar 22 19:58:19 * Stskeeps tries to install meetbot Mar 22 19:58:50 * lbt wonders if we should have a wiki.meego.com/whatsonwhen page.... Mar 22 20:07:46 * lcuk cant wait for his new computer Mar 22 20:10:42 anaZ: is it possible that you have warnings-as-errors turned on - or something, Mar 22 20:10:56 lbt http://meego.com/community/events ? Mar 22 20:10:58 anaZ: and that the mail-view things flagged just as warnings, are really the errors causing failure ? Mar 22 20:11:03 * mmeeks has no diea. Mar 22 20:11:41 mmeeks: yes Mar 22 20:12:09 well, lets say I guess so Mar 22 20:13:38 anaZ: did you change that for Trunk ? Mar 22 20:13:48 I did not change anything Mar 22 20:19:20 mmeeks: your patch to dbus didn't fix my threading issue... Mar 22 20:23:55 thiago: drat :-) Mar 22 20:24:02 thiago_home: can you send me a link to the buglet ? :-) Mar 22 20:24:05 mmeeks: this is what happens when you write patches while having dinner Mar 22 20:24:24 * mmeeks obviously got a meat-ball wedged between the ^ operator and the goto ... Mar 22 20:24:42 my friend had a pet called meatball Mar 22 20:27:21 mmeeks: the Qt issue is http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-7475 Mar 22 20:27:33 I haven't distilled a libdbus-only testcase yet Mar 22 20:28:15 but basically it's calling NameHasOwner via dbus_connection_send_with_reply_and_block from two different threads, simultaneously Mar 22 20:28:59 Hi Mar 22 20:29:01 thiago: hopefully you loose the timeout between the two, but - wow, that sounds bad :-) Mar 22 20:29:12 sounds like on the wire corruption. Mar 22 20:29:23 thiago: the very #1st step in this kind of bug though is simple. Mar 22 20:29:31 thiago: do you call dbus_threads_init() or whatever it is called ? Mar 22 20:29:39 thiago: if not, life is really, really bad :-) Mar 22 20:29:48 * mmeeks is always forgetting to do that in his tests. Mar 22 20:35:34 qgil: possibly. I was thinking of a more casual level - eg the Sunday night Repository Party .... or even, I guess, "Meetup in London for drinks" Mar 22 20:37:32 yes, it's called Mar 22 20:38:46 thiago: I'll have a look at some stage, if I can't persuade Colin Mar 22 20:47:13 lbt: drinks? Mar 22 20:47:16 *ears prick up* Mar 22 20:47:58 Sat 17th April - London Mar 22 20:48:03 you free? Mar 22 20:48:24 * burchr checks his calendar Mar 22 20:48:37 should be Mar 22 20:48:49 there's a "get students started with OSS" type thing happening Mar 22 20:49:04 that sounds scary :P Mar 22 20:49:16 yeah - we'll need a drink! Mar 22 20:49:31 got more info anywhere? Mar 22 21:05:47 burchr: I'm about to post to meego-community/maemo-community and talk.maemo.org about it. Mar 22 21:06:29 burchr: Public face == http://www.graduatedevelopmentcommunity.co.uk/ Mar 22 21:28:05 Jaffa: ta, passed it on to my better half who might be interested too Mar 22 21:28:38 burchr: Cool, email gone to meego/maemo-community: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2010-March/000507.html Mar 22 21:54:05 hey slaine Mar 22 21:56:00 evening CosmoHill **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 22 22:48:09 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 22 22:54:14 2010 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 22 23:25:21 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 22 23:44:14 2010 Mar 22 23:53:50 night night Mar 23 01:49:55 still in the rpm thing??? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 23 02:59:57 2010