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Apr 01 03:30:03 <johnx> meego-codedrop-arm-n900-201003311626.tar.gz is corrupt on the server and/or mirror
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Apr 01 05:21:34 <asik> hello
Apr 01 06:25:12 <Stskeeps> morning!
Apr 01 06:26:45 <thiago> morning Stskeeps
Apr 01 06:33:10 <ZEDDY> is there a tutorial on how to get meego running on your n900
Apr 01 06:33:38 <Zeddy> "meego can be installed from a usb stick or cd disk.." yet there is an image for the n900
Apr 01 06:34:14 <Stskeeps> wiki.meego.com/ARM but do it at your own risk and only if you tried reflashing your device before
Apr 01 06:34:29 <Zeddy> cool thanks!
Apr 01 06:34:35 <kad> Zeddy: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/n900/images/
Apr 01 06:34:40 <Zeddy> i got a few test devices to try it on in school
Apr 01 06:35:20 * thiago is installing on chroot
Apr 01 06:35:43 <Zeddy> are there btw any videos / screens showing the meego running on a n900+
Apr 01 06:36:06 <kad> Zeddy: google for it. there are some
Apr 01 06:36:19 <lpotter> Zeddy: it boots to xterm
Apr 01 06:36:31 <Zeddy> ok :D
Apr 01 06:36:33 <thiago> yes, very nice screenshots of an xterm
Apr 01 06:36:42 <Zeddy> so no guis at all
Apr 01 06:36:46 <Stskeeps> it is actually a video of an xterm, we couldn't get X running ;)
Apr 01 06:36:49 <lpotter> not even full screen :)
Apr 01 06:37:37 <lpotter> I might try putting qtopia on it this weekend
Apr 01 06:37:52 * thiago finished downloading the Qt src rpm
Apr 01 06:37:54 <thiago> finally
Apr 01 06:37:57 <thiago> 16 patches in
Apr 01 06:38:18 <thiago> I'm going to go out in a limb and guess 16 out of 16 were never submitted upstream
Apr 01 06:39:15 <thiago> ok, the first one proved me wrong. It's arjan's patch from February :-)
Apr 01 06:40:07 <Zeddy> but you can however run applications on a meego system allready
Apr 01 06:40:19 <Zeddy> by launching them from the terminal like you usually do
Apr 01 06:40:28 <thiago> the second one is a webkit patch that was never submitted upstream. I know this because I ended up redeveloping it last week.
Apr 01 06:44:30 <thiago> there are apparently some good patches here
Apr 01 06:44:40 <thiago> I'll wait for them to be submitted upstream
Apr 01 06:55:22 <lpotter> hmmm
Apr 01 07:15:00 * mece tips his hat
Apr 01 07:20:23 <Stskeeps> bootstrapping work on hardware adaptation for Nokia N8x0: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=590911
Apr 01 07:21:20 <thiago> those are OMAP2, so not officially supported
Apr 01 07:21:26 <Stskeeps> yes, we know
Apr 01 07:21:27 <RST38h> Stskeeps: Does this mean you are moving Mer to Meego base?
Apr 01 07:22:14 <Stskeeps> RST38h: mer is dead as such and rest of work is recompilation of fremantle
Apr 01 07:22:26 <Stskeeps> thiago: nothing stops a community skunkworks project though :P
Apr 01 07:22:35 <RST38h> Stskeeps: Kinda sad
Apr 01 07:22:52 <Stskeeps> RST38h: on the other hand, we have a lot of experience to make meego great now :P
Apr 01 07:23:23 * RST38h kinda started believing that there will really be a community-supported Fremantle for N810
Apr 01 07:23:29 <mece> Is there some chart somewhere on what is included in the current meego release?
Apr 01 07:23:39 <Stskeeps> RST38h: i am having a OBS instance rebuilding things :P
Apr 01 07:23:40 <RST38h> ...but the things ended up the usual way of course...
Apr 01 07:24:40 <lbt> woohoo... I got meego working on the N800 last night - the TI 3D drivers work and that gui is *so* smooth... it's almost as good as the N900!!! :)
Apr 01 07:24:50 <lbt> \o/
Apr 01 07:25:07 <mece> lbt, i fuckin hate this day.
Apr 01 07:25:13 <thiago> so you got a smooth xterm?
Apr 01 07:25:22 * RST38h makes lbt eat a calendar page with "April 1" written on it
Apr 01 07:25:40 <Zeddy> lol
Apr 01 07:25:46 <lbt> *nom*
Apr 01 07:26:11 <Zeddy> i haven't been fooled yet
Apr 01 07:26:14 <Zeddy> then again im still s
Apr 01 07:26:22 <Zeddy> sitting at my computer half dressed
Apr 01 07:26:29 <mece> Zeddy, you haven't been fooled that you know of...
Apr 01 07:26:42 <RST38h> Zeddy: Do we really need to know that? =)
Apr 01 07:26:59 <mece> I sometimes like to irc naked.
Apr 01 07:27:10 <mece> on freenode.
Apr 01 07:27:12 <Zeddy> RST38h, i said half-dressed.. im not naked
Apr 01 07:27:14 <mece> freedom ftw :D
Apr 01 07:27:30 <RST38h> Zeddy: Good to know THAT too =)
Apr 01 07:27:34 <Zeddy> haha :p
Apr 01 07:28:02 <Zeddy> What if i was a stunning hot blond young woman.
Apr 01 07:28:11 <lbt> on #meego?
Apr 01 07:28:18 <Zeddy> you never know..
Apr 01 07:28:23 <Stskeeps> now, you're assuming there's no women in meego, which there obviously is
Apr 01 07:28:24 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 01 07:28:24 <lbt> you're thinking of #mer :)
Apr 01 07:28:25 * ferringb notes an april fools day prank involving convincing others it wasn't 04/01 would be good.
Apr 01 07:28:39 <Stskeeps> actually, i can point out at least one blond woman here
Apr 01 07:28:39 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 01 07:28:49 <Zeddy> ok, but point out a hot blonde woman
Apr 01 07:29:22 <Zeddy> Stskeeps, and the fact that somebody claims to be a woman on IRC doesn't make them a woman. We need visual confirmation
Apr 01 07:29:26 <Stskeeps> that too, but her fiance would kill me
Apr 01 07:29:27 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 01 07:29:28 <thiago> it's 01/04 anyway
Apr 01 07:30:15 <mece> so anyway. the meego release. Does it have drivers for radios and such for the N900?
Apr 01 07:31:07 <Stskeeps> bt/wlan's in the closed repositories, but fetchasble
Apr 01 07:31:10 <Stskeeps> (firmwares)
Apr 01 07:31:21 <mece> no 3g/gsm?
Apr 01 07:31:39 <mece> the phone stuff
Apr 01 07:32:27 <Stskeeps> ofono can handle that now, i think
Apr 01 07:33:00 <mece> so basically (and inconveniently) you could make phonecalls with meego today?
Apr 01 07:33:14 <Stskeeps> needs work, but talk to the ofono peeps :)
Apr 01 07:34:19 <Anssi||> are qt and gtk in the the n900 image btw?
Apr 01 07:35:02 <Stskeeps> rpm -q -a
Apr 01 07:35:34 <lbt> actually, can someone show the releasenotes/changelog for the image?
Apr 01 07:35:44 <Anssi||> i have only a loan n900, i have not installed it
Apr 01 07:35:48 <lbt> Some of us aren't nuts enough to flash :)
Apr 01 07:36:11 <Anssi||> i am just thinking of it. :)
Apr 01 07:46:23 * PararaPatxin needs help
Apr 01 07:46:51 <PararaPatxin> is there anyone alive?
Apr 01 07:47:15 <Stskeeps> ask away
Apr 01 07:47:59 <PararaPatxin> I've got a Netbook where i had no problem to install Moblin
Apr 01 07:48:24 <PararaPatxin> today I've downloaded the USB image for meego
Apr 01 07:48:47 <PararaPatxin> but after doing the following:
Apr 01 07:49:05 <PararaPatxin> sudo dd if=Descargas/meego-preview-netbook-core-20100330-001.usbimg of=/dev/sdb1 bs=8M;sync
Apr 01 07:49:42 <PararaPatxin> when I reboot the netbook it says that the pendrive has no Operating System
Apr 01 07:52:09 <PararaPatxin> the output for the dd command was:
Apr 01 07:52:25 <PararaPatxin> 49+1 registros de entrada
Apr 01 07:52:26 <PararaPatxin> 49+1 registros de salida
Apr 01 07:52:26 <PararaPatxin> 411041793 bytes (411 MB) copiados, 719,796 s, 571 kB/s
Apr 01 07:55:01 <Stskeeps> not sure about netbook personally
Apr 01 07:56:39 <PararaPatxin> Did someone in this room install meego on a netbook?
Apr 01 07:58:50 <mece> Anssi||, you could do this: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_chroot_install_on_N900
Apr 01 08:02:22 <PararaPatxin> Sorry mece, but it seems to be just for the N900 smartphone. I need the instructions for a Netbook
Apr 01 08:03:21 <av500> it says the netbook release is console only
Apr 01 08:03:35 <mece> PararaPatxin, yep, I was referring it to Anssi||. I don't have a netbook, and thusly no clue about it's workings
Apr 01 08:03:43 <mece> all of them are console only
Apr 01 08:04:42 * av500 does not get the point then
Apr 01 08:05:05 <thiago> av500: the point of whaT?
Apr 01 08:06:22 <av500> making a "release"
Apr 01 08:06:57 <Jaffa> av500: Because there's a lot of code under the GUI which defines a system
Apr 01 08:07:11 <av500> I know :)
Apr 01 08:07:40 <thiago> because developers need something to work with
Apr 01 08:07:43 <thiago> they don't need a GUI
Apr 01 08:07:45 <thiago> they need a platform
Apr 01 08:07:58 <thiago> besides, "release early, release often"
Apr 01 08:09:21 <megabast> hi
Apr 01 08:09:53 <megabast> someone found a link to install usbimg? kind of dd command line? thankx
Apr 01 08:11:07 <kad> megabast: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM
Apr 01 08:11:18 <Stskeeps> that's not ARM though, that's x86 :P
Apr 01 08:11:30 <kad> oh
Apr 01 08:11:33 <kad> sorry
Apr 01 08:11:53 <megabast> http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation_For_Beginners
Apr 01 08:11:56 <megabast> :)
Apr 01 08:12:14 <kad> megabast: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/images/
Apr 01 08:37:53 <lbt> peter robinson? sheesh
Apr 01 09:16:55 <slaine> morning all
Apr 01 09:21:02 <Stskeeps> morning slaine
Apr 01 09:21:31 <slaine> seems my download timed out last night
Apr 01 09:21:36 <slaine> trying again
Apr 01 09:41:13 <kebax> preview seems to have the most recent stable kernel
Apr 01 10:06:38 * w00t_ yawns
Apr 01 10:08:30 <slaine> anyone try out the x86 netbook image ?
Apr 01 10:08:45 <Jaffa> Anyone tried the x86 images in a VM?
Apr 01 10:09:14 <slaine> You can't hi-jack my x86 question like that
Apr 01 10:09:43 <w00t_> he can, and did!
Apr 01 10:10:00 <slaine> Nooooooooooooooooooooo
Apr 01 10:10:35 * RST38h would really love Meego switching to FreeBSD =)
Apr 01 10:14:57 <slaine> I guess I need to make my own chroot for dev work
Apr 01 10:15:08 <slaine> don't seem to be able to yum install anything
Apr 01 10:34:06 <lbt> slaine: don't work too hard - OBS will fix all the dev/sdk things
Apr 01 10:34:50 <slaine> lbt, when will I have access to OBS ?
Apr 01 10:35:13 <lbt> yeah, I know... ask the RWG
Apr 01 10:35:14 <Stskeeps> slaine: what problems do you have with my images?
Apr 01 10:35:31 <slaine> lol
Apr 01 10:35:39 <slaine> Stskeeps: I can't install gcc
Apr 01 10:35:49 <lbt> just saying don't do it  -  just not to put too much effort refining things...
Apr 01 10:35:53 <Stskeeps> yum install gcc says what, slaine?
Apr 01 10:35:58 <lbt> s/just/not/
Apr 01 10:35:58 <infobot> lbt meant: not saying don't do it  -  just not to put too much effort refining things...
Apr 01 10:36:05 <slaine> Stskeeps: nothing, it can't resolve the repos
Apr 01 10:36:11 <Stskeeps> slaine: check your /etc/resolv.conf
Apr 01 10:36:36 <slaine> fecking connman
Apr 01 10:36:44 <Stskeeps> in the chroot
Apr 01 10:36:56 <slaine> I'm running live at the moment
Apr 01 10:37:19 <slaine> how do I get connman to generate a proper resolve.conf from my dhcp
Apr 01 10:38:34 <slaine> it's got nameserver 127.0.0.1
Apr 01 10:38:46 <slaine> and options edns0
Apr 01 10:39:04 <slaine> I'll try booting with the cable attached
Apr 01 10:42:59 <thiago> slaine: 127.0.0.1 is correct
Apr 01 10:43:03 <thiago> connman is a DNS proxy
Apr 01 10:43:09 <thiago> and cache
Apr 01 10:43:15 <thiago> so it's the *right* thing, finally
Apr 01 10:45:36 <slaine> ok
Apr 01 10:46:41 <slaine> it's working now, weird
Apr 01 10:47:01 <slaine> rebooting with the cable in seems to have sorted it for now
Apr 01 10:50:56 <koupsa> meego-usb-notebook... i download for 4 hours i put it on usb i boot (live) and i see... a term!!!!
Apr 01 10:51:19 <slaine> koupsa: congrats
Apr 01 10:51:44 <koupsa> i test install and see noliveetc... i m stupid? :)
Apr 01 10:51:51 <koupsa> hi slaine
Apr 01 10:51:54 <Stskeeps> koupsa: no, expected
Apr 01 10:53:38 <koupsa> so meego is nothing for yet
Apr 01 10:54:01 <Anssi||> koupsa, :)
Apr 01 10:54:17 <Anssi||> terminal is root of all good things
Apr 01 10:54:52 <koupsa> whereis firefox? thunderbird? lol
Apr 01 10:56:04 <slaine> koupsa: it's not a release yet
Apr 01 10:56:18 <Stskeeps> http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Qemu
Apr 01 10:56:24 <slaine> it's an os platform for developers
Apr 01 10:56:40 <koupsa> Anssi|| to late yesterday to test everything. can anybody tell me if 'dev package' is here
Apr 01 10:57:55 <slaine> I'm yum installing the installer at the moment, so I can install onto my netbook
Apr 01 10:58:03 <koupsa> slaine network on meego is ok? or only use in a vm
Apr 01 10:58:24 <slaine> koupsa: it was after I rebooted with the cable plugged in
Apr 01 10:58:26 <koupsa> slaine by git ?
Apr 01 10:58:44 <slaine> by yum
Apr 01 10:58:52 <koupsa> arghh i must search a cable in the darkness of my house
Apr 01 10:59:03 <slaine> yum whatprovides */liveinst
Apr 01 10:59:15 <slaine> Ah, I see it's the installer package
Apr 01 10:59:19 <slaine> yum install installer
Apr 01 10:59:25 <slaine> etc. etc.
Apr 01 10:59:30 <koupsa> ah? liveinst doesnt work
Apr 01 10:59:31 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: Interesting
Apr 01 10:59:35 <w00t_> slaine: I heard you like installing an installer so I gave you an installer you can install to install with?
Apr 01 10:59:47 <slaine> Sweet, I love installing
Apr 01 10:59:57 <slaine> ;)
Apr 01 11:04:43 <kebax> I guess nic drivers are not modules
Apr 01 11:05:36 <kebax> both wired/-less adapters seemed to be operable
Apr 01 11:05:57 <kebax> but lsmod did not show driver for my devices
Apr 01 11:06:06 <slaine> nod
Apr 01 11:06:21 <slaine> compiled in drivers, no initrd, faster kernel
Apr 01 11:06:28 <slaine> s/, /==/
Apr 01 11:06:29 <infobot> slaine meant: compiled in drivers==no initrd, faster kernel
Apr 01 11:06:36 <slaine> gah
Apr 01 11:06:39 <slaine> regex fail
Apr 01 11:21:28 <Blacktrack> hi all
Apr 01 11:21:33 <Stskeeps> lo Blacktrack
Apr 01 11:24:45 <Blacktrack> hiiii what bout new meego???
Apr 01 11:25:49 <koupsa> Blacktrack meego is a term... a term with 390M for notebook hahahahaha
Apr 01 11:26:16 <Blacktrack> no gui???
Apr 01 11:26:19 <thiago> yes
Apr 01 11:26:23 <thiago> X + xterm
Apr 01 11:26:43 <Blacktrack> my god... onli xterminal
Apr 01 11:27:03 <slaine> thiago: I couldn't even get that working
Apr 01 11:27:26 <Anss|> is there fully working qt in meego already?
Apr 01 11:27:36 <Blacktrack> and... what about a new n900 pr 1.2?
Apr 01 11:27:45 <thiago> Blacktrack: yeah... waiting for that too
Apr 01 11:27:46 <slaine> Anss|: no
Apr 01 11:27:52 <Anss|> ok.
Apr 01 11:28:19 <Blacktrack> my god...
Apr 01 11:28:49 <Anss|> maybe this is just 1. of April jokes.
Apr 01 11:28:56 <odin_> is the Intel Atom ABI going to be 100% compatible with desktop ABIs ?
Apr 01 11:29:07 <Stskeeps> i wish http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1hI1BI_Ua8 was a april fools joke
Apr 01 11:30:29 <niqt> sktkeeps in  http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Qemu i have error
Apr 01 11:30:30 <odin_> is there going to be a scratchbox but based on the current/recent version?   will sbox be recommended for use, when to build Intel Atom target binaries?
Apr 01 11:30:42 <Anss|> nice opening shot: "the n900, clueless victim"
Apr 01 11:30:49 <Stskeeps> niqt: we just fixed some things, refresh and try again
Apr 01 11:31:06 <Blacktrack> ok meego will be ready i think at the end of this year. its new and its normal... its not normal the maemo pr 1.2... to much wait
Apr 01 11:31:16 <niqt> i have error: pathspec 'omap3' did not match any file(s) known to git
Apr 01 11:31:53 <Stskeeps> niqt: yes, refresh please :)
Apr 01 11:31:58 <niqt> ok, sorry
Apr 01 11:32:40 <Blacktrack> hey but tresnt a command line to get a guji on meego???
Apr 01 11:33:01 <odin_> where is the correct place to lodge such questions as above, so that even if an answer is not known by anyone at this time, the various committee's and stakeholders will be looking?
Apr 01 11:33:10 <maclaver> odin: Intel Atom target binaries are x86, so scratchbox will probably not be needed.
Apr 01 11:34:24 <odin_> maclaver, but to restrict, confirm and verify your dependencies you need to educate SDK users on the correct method to work, unless there the Atom version can also be installed onto a desktop without modification (just an extra bunch of packages)
Apr 01 11:35:25 <odin_> will there be a continuous build server/farm that can be used for non-production/non-stable building to test build project (something lacking in maemo)
Apr 01 11:36:07 <Stskeeps> i'm hoping we'll have that
Apr 01 11:36:41 <Blacktrack> i wanna know if is it possible to install meego on mini sd card and have it like dual boot..
Apr 01 11:37:34 <koupsa> probably yes
Apr 01 11:37:43 <odin_> in maemo you had to ask to be maintainer, then declare a new project, then declare yourself maintainer, then fire multiple versions to the build server in the hope it build ok on there, this should not be the case, develop should be able to throw arbitrary payloads at build servers to test they build on the common/shared/community infrastructure, and then fix the problems if they dont
Apr 01 11:39:33 <koupsa> a fats way to change keyboard map ? is qwerty
Apr 01 11:39:48 <odin_> once the contributer/developer has a version back (from the farm) that builds they can test it, then use this to declare project, become maintainer, as the first version of code to published for other peoples use and then re-fire it at a production build server
Apr 01 11:39:54 <Blacktrack> i watched the meego video... its too basic with more conf files... nice work.... but it needs cellular firmware wifi too etc
Apr 01 11:40:13 <w00t_> it will advance over the next month or two I would guess
Apr 01 11:40:36 <Blacktrack> join -meego-meeting-questions
Apr 01 11:41:06 <odin_> is that an IRC channel ?
Apr 01 11:41:20 <Blacktrack> ye
Apr 01 11:41:23 <Stskeeps> odin_: agree, and OBS
Apr 01 11:41:25 <Blacktrack> with #
Apr 01 11:41:52 <Blacktrack> ahahha sorry ahhaahah its #meego-meeting-questions
Apr 01 11:42:05 <koupsa> oops i test just  "X" ... that is a mistake
Apr 01 11:42:24 <odin_> what kind of a channel name is that...
Apr 01 11:42:32 <italodance> SRFU
Apr 01 11:42:36 <italodance> STFU
Apr 01 11:42:44 <Stskeeps> odin_: raise your issue on meego-dev or -sdk mailign list
Apr 01 11:43:00 <Stskeeps> you're not the only one needing that, so :)
Apr 01 11:44:53 <Blacktrack> a channel questions i think. but there's not a life in there
Apr 01 11:45:03 <odin_> thats another thing, how do I subscribe to mailing lists with a different email address to my account...  I guess I signup twice
Apr 01 11:45:25 <Stskeeps> Blacktrack: that place is for questions while a moderated meeting is on
Apr 01 11:45:50 <Blacktrack> ah got it stskeeps :)
Apr 01 11:45:59 <maclaver> odin_ that is a different question from how to buld Atom based binaries.  If you mean binary product images, then we should use the OBS (details apparently come later).
Apr 01 11:46:20 <maclaver> As Stskeeps says, these are good questions for the meego-dev mailing list.
Apr 01 11:46:52 <odin_> "OBS" ?  thats the 2nd time thats has been used and its a new term to me
Apr 01 11:47:25 <odin_> ok well the questions won't go away, I shall remember them, while I try to plug into meego community a little more over this easter break
Apr 01 11:47:29 <Stskeeps> odin_: build.opensuse.org (an instance of the software)
Apr 01 11:47:38 <Stskeeps> maclaver: ronan right? good to see you on here too :)
Apr 01 11:47:55 <maclaver> Yes, it's Ronan.
Apr 01 11:49:26 <koupsa> fuc***** us keyboard!
Apr 01 11:50:30 <koupsa> i can't remember ex amiga key
Apr 01 11:51:54 <koupsa> how to setup an azerty keyboard
Apr 01 11:53:31 <koupsa> slaine have you install an x?  and what package for install the installer ?
Apr 01 11:53:42 <Stskeeps> koupsa: on the image?
Apr 01 11:53:51 <Stskeeps> (N900
Apr 01 11:54:03 <slaine> koupsa: nah, work's gotten in the way. I'll have a look in a while
Apr 01 11:54:14 <koupsa> yes i just boot on image-netbook and test yum install xfce4
Apr 01 11:55:21 <koupsa> just type "X" doesn't work :)
Apr 01 11:55:26 <slaine> nod
Apr 01 11:55:31 <slaine> nore did startx
Apr 01 11:57:01 <koupsa> no X ? lol mutt and lynx !  :)
Apr 01 12:01:41 <fonix232> hi there
Apr 01 12:02:18 <Stskeeps> lo
Apr 01 12:02:57 <fonix232> could you help me? I would like to run the MeeGo emulator if there's one, but the wiki contains no info about installation. And I don't have an N900 if it do
Apr 01 12:03:03 <fonix232> * if it counts
Apr 01 12:03:53 <Stskeeps> well, not sure we have one :P
Apr 01 12:04:40 <fonix232> and what about the SDK?
Apr 01 12:04:54 <Stskeeps> we don't really have a sdk yet
Apr 01 12:04:54 <koupsa> fu....  i see a mouse on meego.. and pffft disappearance
Apr 01 12:05:27 <koupsa> next time may be a window
Apr 01 12:05:53 <Stskeeps> fonix232: so, what level are you interested in? system development or app development?
Apr 01 12:06:45 <fonix232> Currently I just want to see what MeeGo is capable. And after it maybe system developement
Apr 01 12:06:59 <megabast> I've found on meego website a page which explains how to create a gtk window and insert an active icon on toolbar.. I've lost the url, someone could send it ?
Apr 01 12:07:10 <Stskeeps> fonix232: right, on the ARM side?
Apr 01 12:07:23 <Stskeeps> fonix232: at the moment only thing you'll see is a x terminal
Apr 01 12:07:55 <megabast> it's ok I have it : http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Netbook_and_GTK
Apr 01 12:07:56 <fonix232> yes, ARM side. I don't have a netbook (at least an Atom based one) and I plan to get an N900 somehow
Apr 01 12:08:23 <koupsa> have you an error like me on 'yum install xorg-x11-server'  ?*
Apr 01 12:08:34 <koupsa> slaine, maybe ?
Apr 01 12:08:59 <slaine> koupsa: like I said, I'm not looking at it now, I'll check it out later
Apr 01 12:09:31 <koupsa> woups sorry
Apr 01 12:11:48 <slaine> np
Apr 01 12:12:18 <CosmoHill> rawr
Apr 01 12:13:22 <fonix232> so, any idea?
Apr 01 12:14:01 <Stskeeps> fonix232: i'd wait a couple of days, qemu with n900 and meego support just came out a couple of hours ago
Apr 01 12:14:10 <fonix232> oh
Apr 01 12:14:14 <Stskeeps> it should be feasible to boot a beagleboard image same way
Apr 01 12:26:44 <lbt> anyone got Meego on a virtualbox machine?
Apr 01 12:28:46 <slaine> lbt, having problems ?
Apr 01 12:28:57 <slaine> I could give it a shot later
Apr 01 12:29:03 <lbt> not even tried....
Apr 01 12:29:12 <lbt> wanted to stand on the shoulders of giants :)
Apr 01 12:29:25 <slaine> but with no way of installing from the live image, you'd have some issues
Apr 01 12:29:42 <slaine> namely, running from the usb image solely
Apr 01 12:29:46 <lbt> getting a prompt would be a start
Apr 01 12:30:02 <slaine> I'll try and give it a shot now while I get some lunch sorted
Apr 01 12:30:08 <lbt> it'd be nice to see some cut'n'paste level HOWTOs on the wiki
Apr 01 12:30:48 <lbt> sounds good...
Apr 01 12:33:15 <CosmoHill> can't you change the .img to .iso and run it that way?
Apr 01 12:36:25 <koupsa> ifconfig
Apr 01 12:40:06 <CosmoHill> http://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showthread.php?p=470600#post470600
Apr 01 12:40:10 <CosmoHill> dammit
Apr 01 12:40:21 <CosmoHill> guest@xkcd:/$ cat
Apr 01 12:40:21 <CosmoHill> You're a kitty!
Apr 01 12:43:09 <drizztbsd> lol
Apr 01 12:44:59 <slaine> lbt: kernel panics unfortunately
Apr 01 13:00:30 <CosmoHill> slaine: hmm
Apr 01 13:01:10 <CosmoHill> i have an Idea
Apr 01 13:03:24 <koupsa> what is .ks file ?  kickstarter.py ... ?
Apr 01 13:03:36 <lbt> yes kickstart
Apr 01 13:03:53 <lbt> used by MIC2
Apr 01 13:03:57 <koupsa> it s for ?
Apr 01 13:03:58 <koupsa> ok
Apr 01 13:04:01 <koupsa> thx
Apr 01 13:04:04 <lbt> the Meego Image creator
Apr 01 13:04:21 <slaine> surely they could drop the 2 now
Apr 01 13:04:25 <koupsa> same as moblin ?
Apr 01 13:04:34 <slaine> koupsa: one and the same
Apr 01 13:05:08 <slaine> formerly MoblinImageCreator, MoblinImageCreator2, could go back to mic now as MeegoImageCreator
Apr 01 13:05:37 <CosmoHill> slaine: does the computer you are using virtual box on run meego natively?
Apr 01 13:05:54 <slaine> not likely, it's an iMac
Apr 01 13:06:10 <CosmoHill> that should work I think as they have SSSE3
Apr 01 13:06:10 <koupsa> slaine, lbt, you are an encyplopedia
Apr 01 13:06:26 <slaine> CosmoHill: possibly
Apr 01 13:06:33 <slaine> I'm not shutting down to try though
Apr 01 13:06:54 <CosmoHill> I'll install virtual box on my laptop and try that
Apr 01 13:07:32 <CosmoHill> kernels are statically linked right?
Apr 01 13:07:48 <lbt> heh
Apr 01 13:07:50 <lbt> yes
Apr 01 13:08:02 <CosmoHill> good
Apr 01 13:08:07 <koupsa> CosmoHill, i tested vbox . he doesn't work.. or i need an another try
Apr 01 13:08:19 <lbt> that kinda makes no sense if you think about it
Apr 01 13:09:04 <CosmoHill> are using trying meego or mobin?
Apr 01 13:10:10 <slaine> wtf is mobin
Apr 01 13:10:25 <CosmoHill> i think i missed an L
Apr 01 13:10:28 <slaine> and a 2
Apr 01 13:10:32 <slaine> ;P
Apr 01 13:10:45 <Bun> meegol?
Apr 01 13:12:03 <tekojo> slaine I'm trying to build the moblin 2.1 wlan drivers and am getting an error about 'user glen does not exist - using root'
Apr 01 13:12:11 <CosmoHill> what image are you guys trying?
Apr 01 13:12:24 <slaine> tekojo: that's fine, they're really just warnings
Apr 01 13:12:36 <tekojo> but then I get a bad exit status :(
Apr 01 13:12:45 <slaine> that means something else is wrong
Apr 01 13:12:57 <slaine> can you pastebin the output ?
Apr 01 13:12:57 <tekojo> Should I be running as root or normal user?
Apr 01 13:13:06 <slaine> normal user
Apr 01 13:13:26 <slaine> tekojo: been to my page lately ? there's a repo
Apr 01 13:13:47 <tekojo> With built rpms?
Apr 01 13:14:27 <tekojo> I'll head over there, Thanks!
Apr 01 13:17:19 <koupsa> well... meego is a term and  now moblin2.1bug    "id: x respawn too fast: disabled for 5 minutes  ...
Apr 01 13:17:30 * tekojo notices that it's late and should have been at home by now...
Apr 01 13:19:10 <koupsa> meego have a nice screen boot...  i say that, i say nothing
Apr 01 13:19:30 <slaine> koupsa: please, stop complaining
Apr 01 13:19:31 <CosmoHill> slaine: what image are you trying?
Apr 01 13:19:47 <slaine> the project is only a few hours old as far as public code is concerned
Apr 01 13:19:49 <CosmoHill> meego-preview-netbook-core-20100330-001.usbimg ?
Apr 01 13:19:54 <slaine> CosmoHill: yes
Apr 01 13:19:59 <CosmoHill> good
Apr 01 13:20:04 <CosmoHill> now I just need to download it
Apr 01 13:21:01 <slaine> You need to convert it to a .vdi so that you can boot it
Apr 01 13:21:21 <koupsa> slaine, i have no pb with meego i like this project really. i ma disapointed because is today that moblin is going to bug. and i like moblin to
Apr 01 13:21:27 <CosmoHill> okay
Apr 01 13:21:34 <CosmoHill> wait, convert?
Apr 01 13:21:41 <CosmoHill> I was just gonna rename it to .iso
Apr 01 13:21:49 <slaine> VBoxManage convertdd <path/to/.usbimg> <path/to/.vdi>
Apr 01 13:21:57 <slaine> Does that work ?
Apr 01 13:22:30 <CosmoHill> duno, I'm on windows and I've not downloaded it yet
Apr 01 13:22:50 <slaine> ew, windoes
Apr 01 13:22:55 <CosmoHill> meh
Apr 01 13:23:03 <CosmoHill> say what you like, it's required
Apr 01 13:23:15 <slaine> required for what, college ?
Apr 01 13:23:19 <CosmoHill> uni
Apr 01 13:23:24 <slaine> bummer
Apr 01 13:23:36 <CosmoHill> best laptop I have and i only really use it on fridays
Apr 01 13:24:00 <CosmoHill> it's not bad
Apr 01 13:24:15 <slaine> I end up punching screens when I have to use it
Apr 01 13:24:29 <CosmoHill> £100 for a C2D 2.0Ghz, 4GB DDR2, 250GB HDD, 15" and Win 7 pro
Apr 01 13:24:38 <slaine> nice price
Apr 01 13:24:49 <slaine> Win7 ain't have bad actually
Apr 01 13:24:50 <CosmoHill> £50 for the hdd and £50 for the power adapter
Apr 01 13:24:59 <CosmoHill> win7 is free :D
Apr 01 13:25:01 * lbt leaves
Apr 01 13:25:02 <CosmoHill> to me anyway
Apr 01 13:25:06 <slaine> I'm usually asked to fix someones fucked up xp box
Apr 01 13:25:42 <CosmoHill> I've gone from XP to 7 :)
Apr 01 13:26:03 <CosmoHill> atm it has win7, clfs, lfs and moblin
Apr 01 13:26:53 <RST38h> Why do you need so many?
Apr 01 13:27:17 <CosmoHill> while it's the best computer I own i don't use it to much
Apr 01 13:27:27 <CosmoHill> clfs and lfs are compiled by hand
Apr 01 13:27:42 <CosmoHill> so the faster the computer the better
Apr 01 13:28:00 <CosmoHill> moblin was just cos I was interested in meego
Apr 01 13:32:33 <slaine> lfs is a good way to learn about a linux install and how it's constructed
Apr 01 13:32:56 <slaine> but beyond that I couldn't see myself using it for anything. I've got a life to live ;)
Apr 01 13:33:26 <CosmoHill> I don't use it
Apr 01 13:33:40 <CosmoHill> one of the dev's asked if I'd built it yet
Apr 01 13:35:07 <CosmoHill> bollocks, my tea :(
Apr 01 13:37:22 * CosmoHill pours his tea down the sink and starts a new one
Apr 01 13:37:34 <slaine> hate that
Apr 01 13:38:04 <CosmoHill> in one min I'll go down and get it
Apr 01 13:38:36 <CosmoHill> btw, can I put my virtualbox image online for others to download and run on their PC
Apr 01 13:38:57 <slaine> if you get it working, that'd be handy alright
Apr 01 13:48:56 <CosmoHill> mmm, 60MB/s
Apr 01 13:53:17 <CosmoHill> slaine: so i need to convert the usbimg image to a .vdi to boot it?
Apr 01 13:53:37 <uhsf> so, what are the first impressions about meego on the n900?
Apr 01 13:55:14 <marshel> hello all
Apr 01 13:55:15 <slaine> CosmoHill: I believe so
Apr 01 13:55:27 <slaine> that's what I did as I couldn't get it to boot off the usbimg file
Apr 01 13:55:38 <CosmoHill> now how do I do that on windows >.<
Apr 01 13:55:51 <slaine> You should have the commandline tools installed too
Apr 01 13:55:57 <slaine> not sure they're in your path though
Apr 01 13:58:07 <marshel> hello, i dont have a netbook but a notebook with celeron 900 processor. would meego run on my nb?
Apr 01 13:58:17 <CosmoHill> slaine: found it
Apr 01 13:58:35 <slaine> marshel: not at the moment
Apr 01 13:59:12 <marshel> it would be possible on nokia´s n800 neither?
Apr 01 13:59:40 <Stskeeps> that might be more possible..
Apr 01 13:59:41 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 01 13:59:48 <marshel> hi Stskeeps
Apr 01 14:00:11 <slaine> there'll likely be community efforts to provide builds for the n8x0 and for non-ssse3 x86
Apr 01 14:00:12 <Stskeeps> marshel: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48929&highlight=hardware+adaptation
Apr 01 14:00:38 <marshel> nice
Apr 01 14:01:03 <marshel> yet i aknwdg that the os is in early stage yet
Apr 01 14:01:11 <Stskeeps> :nod:
Apr 01 14:01:55 <CosmoHill> slaine: did you get to "kernel_thread_helper"?
Apr 01 14:03:12 <slaine> not sure
Apr 01 14:03:22 <slaine> stack trace obscured the view
Apr 01 14:03:31 <slaine> mostly acpi related iirc
Apr 01 14:07:16 <CosmoHill> well I have an old livecd that works with Vbox only
Apr 01 14:07:25 <CosmoHill> that was made on one machine and works on another :)
Apr 01 14:10:26 <Votan> " ... since the MeeGo User Experiences for the usage models are not yet included in today's MeeGo core" = no GUI include din the Image ?
Apr 01 14:10:36 <Votan> or jsut not started by default ?
Apr 01 14:10:56 <wile_work> what's the login?
Apr 01 14:11:09 <kebax> meego
Apr 01 14:11:33 <wile_work> ahh
Apr 01 14:11:59 <wile_work> the obvious trips me up every time
Apr 01 14:12:03 <wile_work> :/
Apr 01 14:12:29 <milliams> Votan: I belive there's no GUI
Apr 01 14:13:06 <wile_work> i get splash screens when it boots....and when it shuts down
Apr 01 14:26:53 <CosmoHill> ffs
Apr 01 14:27:00 <CosmoHill> all I need is squashfs
Apr 01 14:28:09 * w00t_ /2
Apr 01 14:28:11 <w00t_> er.
Apr 01 14:34:44 <Termana> What percentage is it when you have w00t_ over 2?
Apr 01 14:34:47 <Termana> :P
Apr 01 14:35:10 * w00t_ was trying to go to window #2
Apr 01 14:38:23 <CosmoHill> i finally have squashfs
Apr 01 14:42:11 <CosmoHill> ffs
Apr 01 14:43:13 <pagesix1536> so...are there any screenshots or videos of Meego in action yet on a N900 or Atom device?
Apr 01 14:43:29 <CosmoHill> probably not
Apr 01 14:43:42 <thiago> on N900, yes
Apr 01 14:43:54 <thiago> but I don't know how "wowed" you'll be by seeing an xterm
Apr 01 14:44:19 <lbt> a very small xterm at that
Apr 01 14:44:57 <thiago> under twm
Apr 01 14:44:59 <RST38h> wow xterm loooool
Apr 01 14:45:12 <RST38h> twm rulez haxxorz
Apr 01 14:45:19 <CosmoHill> son of a whore
Apr 01 14:45:22 * CosmoHill stabs his VM
Apr 01 14:45:56 <RST38h> BTW, I see no twm at a photo
Apr 01 14:46:07 <RST38h> looks like X11 is there but no wm
Apr 01 14:46:44 <lcuk> RST38h, mmm so if an app just expected a fullscreen x11 window it could work
Apr 01 14:46:50 <CosmoHill> why can't I just unpack the squashfs :(
Apr 01 14:53:29 <b0unc3> hello, where I can get the meego rootfs mentioned here : http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_chroot_install_on_N900 ?
Apr 01 14:53:47 <CosmoHill> wow
Apr 01 14:53:57 <CosmoHill> I'm getting 10MB/s from the meego server :)
Apr 01 14:54:22 <CosmoHill> 100%[======================================>] 411,041,793 7.61M/s   in 52s
Apr 01 14:54:22 <CosmoHill> :D
Apr 01 14:54:52 <pagesix1536> impressive indeed!
Apr 01 14:55:01 <CosmoHill> however i can't mount it :(
Apr 01 14:55:02 <Stskeeps> b0unc3: on the repo
Apr 01 14:58:26 <b0unc3> Stskeeps, uhm ok, so presumably here : http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/n900/images/ ?  is meego-codedrop-arm-n900-201003311626.tar.gz    the rootfs ?
Apr 01 14:58:34 <Stskeeps> right
Apr 01 14:59:04 <b0unc3> Stskeeps, I downloaded it twice but always I get a corrupted .tar
Apr 01 14:59:19 <Stskeeps> b0unc3: wget it please
Apr 01 14:59:47 <b0unc3> I only use wget ;)
Apr 01 14:59:58 <Stskeeps> hmm
Apr 01 15:00:16 <b0unc3> tar: invalid tar magic <-- this is what I get
Apr 01 15:00:21 <Stskeeps> oh right
Apr 01 15:00:24 <Stskeeps> use gnu tar on maemo
Apr 01 15:00:56 <b0unc3> oh right! I forgot about it
Apr 01 15:06:31 <b0unc3> with the gnu-tar everything works fine, thx Stskeeps
Apr 01 15:06:46 <CosmoHill> how do I unsquash a squash.img?
Apr 01 15:07:01 <CosmoHill> I use:  sudo unsquashfs squashfs.img mount
Apr 01 15:07:03 <CosmoHill> and it fails
Apr 01 15:09:11 <kebax> meego is not in sudoers
Apr 01 15:09:32 <Stskeeps> su
Apr 01 15:09:49 <kebax> okay
Apr 01 15:10:02 <CosmoHill> I'm trying to get into squash.img to change the kernel
Apr 01 15:17:45 <CosmoHill> oh you're shitting me
Apr 01 15:18:07 <CosmoHill> I've spent all that fucking time getting squashfs 4.0 working and it just has a ext3 image inside it
Apr 01 15:20:45 <TSCHAKeee2> guys! congrats on the code drop! :)
Apr 01 15:21:17 <CosmoHill> on the plus side, my server now supports squashfs 4.0
Apr 01 15:24:08 <slaine> CosmoHill: checkout my buddy pixelbeats lomount.sh script. It should loopback mount the partition in the image
Apr 01 15:24:35 <slaine> http://www.pixelbeat.org/scripts/lomount.sh
Apr 01 15:24:43 <CosmoHill> the problem was the things I were trying didn't support squashfs
Apr 01 15:25:01 <slaine> does the usbimg have squashfs on there ?
Apr 01 15:25:14 <CosmoHill> I'm now going to compile a kernel for virtual box, put that into the thing and boot that
Apr 01 15:25:19 <slaine> k
Apr 01 15:25:19 <CosmoHill> sorta
Apr 01 15:25:20 <TSCHAKeee2> when in doubt look in the packagel ist
Apr 01 15:25:45 <CosmoHill> I turned usbimg into a vdi, access that via a livecd and got squash.img
Apr 01 15:26:00 <CosmoHill> copied that to my server, mounted that and the ext3fs.img that was inside it
Apr 01 15:26:09 <CosmoHill> this now gives me the meego root
Apr 01 15:26:35 <CosmoHill> I'm downloading linux 2.6.33.1 to compile on virtual box
Apr 01 15:28:46 <CosmoHill> laptop - power = bad
Apr 01 15:38:06 <CosmoHill> what's the default FS for meego
Apr 01 15:38:40 <tripzero> btrfs?
Apr 01 15:38:50 <tripzero> idk for sure though
Apr 01 15:39:28 <CosmoHill> I'll enable a few
Apr 01 15:39:52 <koupsa> CosmoHill ext3
Apr 01 15:40:21 <CosmoHill> thanks
Apr 01 15:42:24 <koupsa> can anybody test 'yum install xorg-x11-server'
Apr 01 15:44:04 <lcuk> question: since ds has a random shaky version of linux around - is it feasible to consider porting meego to it
Apr 01 15:44:09 <lcuk> nintendo ds ^
Apr 01 15:44:24 <Stskeeps> no mmu, no dice
Apr 01 15:44:25 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 01 15:45:05 <lcuk> so you need an mmu to run xterm now :p
Apr 01 15:45:21 * TSCHAKeee2 laughs
Apr 01 15:45:22 <lcuk> this arm base that just turned up doesnt need it does it?
Apr 01 15:47:21 <suihkulokki> lcuk: x11 on uclinux since when?
Apr 01 15:48:10 <lcuk> suihkulokki, i dunno, i just saw someone make linux work on ds and wondered
Apr 01 15:48:18 <lcuk> if its not feasible ill put it out of mind
Apr 01 15:48:33 <lcuk> especially with the large screen version
Apr 01 15:53:54 <slaine> ok, making a development image using mic-image-creator
Apr 01 15:54:34 <Stskeeps> the .ks i have attached?
Apr 01 15:54:36 <kebax> iwconfig wlan0 essid APNAME does not work beforeI say ifconfig wlan0 down
Apr 01 15:54:59 <slaine> CosmoHill: you can also use the meego image creator tools to convert from one format to another, including a VMDK, which I think VBox understands
Apr 01 15:55:09 <slaine> Stskeeps: Modified with @Development Tools
Apr 01 15:55:10 <kebax> after that works until I configure with ifconfig again
Apr 01 15:55:20 <Stskeeps> slaine: k
Apr 01 15:55:59 <CosmoHill> I saw meego had something about creating a virtual box inage
Apr 01 15:56:01 <CosmoHill> image*
Apr 01 15:56:03 <CosmoHill> *moblin
Apr 01 15:56:18 <Stskeeps> jesus, the joggler is at 49 pound now?
Apr 01 15:56:27 <CosmoHill> ?
Apr 01 15:57:05 <slaine> Stskeeps: He gets nailed up tomorrow
Apr 01 15:57:29 <Stskeeps> ok, no
Apr 01 15:57:57 <Stskeeps> just realized what day it was today :P
Apr 01 15:58:09 <slaine> Nail'em up I say
Apr 01 15:59:07 <Stskeeps> well, 49 pound for a hackable poulsbo device with 512mb ram and atom processor..
Apr 01 15:59:07 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 01 15:59:21 <slaine> poulsbo, ugh
Apr 01 15:59:30 <slaine> Stskeeps: isn't that including a contract ?
Apr 01 15:59:31 <Stskeeps> nothing technicall stops us from using a different xserver does it?
Apr 01 15:59:34 <Stskeeps> slaine: no, without
Apr 01 15:59:34 <Stskeeps> afaik
Apr 01 15:59:42 <slaine> cool
Apr 01 15:59:50 <Stskeeps> saw the ubuntu remix vids?
Apr 01 16:00:09 * Stskeeps tries to find
Apr 01 16:01:15 <Stskeeps> it's a pretty good value at 49 pound :P
Apr 01 16:02:45 <Stskeeps> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1ZV7aD2Wak
Apr 01 16:03:22 <TSCHAKeee2> where the hell can I get one in the US?
Apr 01 16:03:41 <Stskeeps> no idea, they sell them with UK plug in uk for 49 pound :P
Apr 01 16:04:25 <keith_> I have a question
Apr 01 16:04:26 <Stskeeps> slaine: what really stops people from compiling xserver 1.6 for meego btw?
Apr 01 16:04:40 <slaine> Stskeeps: it's scarey
Apr 01 16:05:12 <Stskeeps> a couple of handy --excludepkgs..
Apr 01 16:05:12 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 01 16:05:19 <keith_> when I try to boot from my thumb drive it goes to a localhost login
Apr 01 16:05:27 <Stskeeps> keith_: that's the intent, afaik
Apr 01 16:05:41 <CosmoHill> there is no GUI
Apr 01 16:05:53 <keith_> I see
Apr 01 16:06:07 <CosmoHill> or in my case, meego :(
Apr 01 16:07:15 <keith_> I was hoping it would be able to run the way moblin did
Apr 01 16:08:08 <TSCHAKeee2> noooo faiiiir :(
Apr 01 16:08:52 <keith_> I really liked moblin and was looking forward to trying Meego
Apr 01 16:09:19 <TSCHAKeee2> keith_: dude, just chill a bit... it's coming
Apr 01 16:09:27 <Stskeeps> keith_: i will, in time, but development went open now
Apr 01 16:09:30 <Stskeeps> it
Apr 01 16:09:34 <keith_> ok thanks
Apr 01 16:09:36 <TSCHAKeee2> keith_: this is merely the first drop of code into open development
Apr 01 16:09:50 <TSCHAKeee2> think of it this way, you get to see an operating system
Apr 01 16:09:50 <keith_> I'll go back to my Commodore 64
Apr 01 16:09:53 <TSCHAKeee2> built from the ground up.
Apr 01 16:10:02 <TSCHAKeee2> and be able to participate in its development.
Apr 01 16:10:48 <Stskeeps> slaine: last moblin supporting poulsbo was 2.0?
Apr 01 16:10:57 <slaine> 2.1
Apr 01 16:11:02 <slaine> with the IVI release
Apr 01 16:11:29 <TSCHAKeee2> does anyone know where I could get my hands on some moorestown development hardware?
Apr 01 16:11:30 <keith_> what about the broadcom wireless issue that exsisted with Moblin, will that be resolved?
Apr 01 16:11:36 <slaine> Stskeeps: http://moblin.org/projects/2.1-ivi-project-releases
Apr 01 16:11:53 <slaine> keith_: If I have anything to do with it, yes :)
Apr 01 16:12:00 <keith_> sweet
Apr 01 16:12:52 <slaine> keith_: in the mean time, if you're using moblin 2.1, you can use my repo's for the broadcom stuff
Apr 01 16:12:52 <keith_> I got the wireless on my mini 9 to work by switching to an intel card but I really don't want to do any hardware swapping
Apr 01 16:13:06 <slaine> pity you didn't follow my howtow
Apr 01 16:13:10 <slaine> I've a mini9
Apr 01 16:13:31 * microlith goes to load meego on his aspire one
Apr 01 16:13:48 <keith_> slaine I tried your howto but there was some issue that kept it from working for me
Apr 01 16:14:01 <slaine> bummer
Apr 01 16:14:09 <slaine> I'm on IRC most days
Apr 01 16:14:11 <keith_> the wifi card swap worked much easier
Apr 01 16:16:34 <TSCHAKeee2> is it simply not possible for non-first-tier vendors to get their hands on moorestown dev hardware?
Apr 01 16:16:42 <keith_> the image file in the repository is named ".usbimg" I had to rename it to ".img"
Apr 01 16:22:26 <keith_> thanks for the info folks!
Apr 01 16:25:11 <kanibalv> Can anybody answer me, what will happend with all those .deb application written for Maemo????
Apr 01 16:25:38 <drizztbsd> kanibalv: adios
Apr 01 16:25:49 <kanibalv> nooo!!!!
Apr 01 16:25:52 <thiago> the OBS infrastructure replaces all of them
Apr 01 16:26:04 <kanibalv> OBS????
Apr 01 16:26:15 <thiago> OpenSUSE Build Service
Apr 01 16:26:30 <kanibalv> that just stupid!!!!!
Apr 01 16:26:45 <thiago> orno
Apr 01 16:26:46 <thiago> or not
Apr 01 16:26:47 <kanibalv> years in the trash
Apr 01 16:26:47 <evilrob> .deb is just a packaging method.
Apr 01 16:26:54 <evilrob> they can be repackaged
Apr 01 16:27:00 * TSCHAKeee2 just shakes his head
Apr 01 16:27:04 <TSCHAKeee2> IT'S JUST A PACKAGE FORMAT!
Apr 01 16:27:07 <kanibalv> yes, by whom?
Apr 01 16:27:12 <kanibalv> not me!
Apr 01 16:27:15 <thiago> the internal Maemo infrastructure for .deb was a big hack anyway
Apr 01 16:27:28 <TSCHAKeee2> kanibalv: you are getting all whacked out of shape over nothing.
Apr 01 16:27:29 <kanibalv> why?
Apr 01 16:27:41 <TSCHAKeee2> there are bigger issues to solve
Apr 01 16:27:46 <thiago> we're talking about the infrastructure, not the packaged applications.
Apr 01 16:27:54 <TSCHAKeee2> than, gee, what archive format and metadata is going to be used
Apr 01 16:27:54 <thiago> the packaged applications just need to be repackaged.
Apr 01 16:28:12 <MiXu-> TSCHAKeee2: Amen. I don't understand the whole fuss about rpm vs deb
Apr 01 16:28:16 <kanibalv> repackaged by whom?
Apr 01 16:28:22 <CosmoHill> compiling a kernel for virtual box shouldn't be so hard
Apr 01 16:28:44 <evilrob> I'd expect the package maintainers will repackage them
Apr 01 16:29:02 <TSCHAKeee2> MiXu-: I started with linux before there was a standardized distribution, and have used all the different "package" formats... they all do the same thing... they all make the same patterns of mistakes in different variations... it really...does not...matter....
Apr 01 16:29:05 <TSCHAKeee2> :)
Apr 01 16:29:14 <kanibalv> evilrob, that's so not going to happend!!
Apr 01 16:29:33 <evilrob> kanibalv: then sell your phone and quit whining, or get off your ass and writ ethe repackager
Apr 01 16:29:36 <TSCHAKeee2> kanibalv: thank you for being so rational
Apr 01 16:29:45 <TSCHAKeee2> really
Apr 01 16:29:53 <TSCHAKeee2> we need more people like yo...wait..no we don't.
Apr 01 16:29:56 <TSCHAKeee2> :)
Apr 01 16:30:06 <kanibalv> evilrob, don't be stupid
Apr 01 16:30:07 <Jaffa> Yay! MeeGo booting in qemu on Windows :-)
Apr 01 16:30:22 <evilrob> I have an rpm based box on the left side of my desk and a .deb based box on the right side.
Apr 01 16:30:24 <MiXu-> TSCHAKeee2: I'm a deb guy, but it's like any other thing. It'll take you maybe a couple of hours to learn and that's it.
Apr 01 16:30:24 <TSCHAKeee2> kanibalv: this is a meritocracy
Apr 01 16:30:26 <kanibalv> I just for all applications that are already there
Apr 01 16:30:31 <TSCHAKeee2> kanibalv: if you see a problem, fix it. don't whine.
Apr 01 16:30:41 <evilrob> I routinely install .deb's on the rpm-based one, and rpms on the .deb based one
Apr 01 16:31:07 <TSCHAKeee2> remember, that all of the stuff in the maemo repositories gets built by a builder
Apr 01 16:31:09 <TSCHAKeee2> what does that tell you?
Apr 01 16:31:13 <TSCHAKeee2> come on...
Apr 01 16:31:15 <TSCHAKeee2> you can do it...
Apr 01 16:31:18 <TSCHAKeee2> put two and two together...
Apr 01 16:31:24 <kanibalv> like with alien evilrob??
Apr 01 16:31:32 <TSCHAKeee2> i can...almost see...the lightbulb come on, you can do it kanibalv....
Apr 01 16:31:35 <TSCHAKeee2> :)
Apr 01 16:31:37 <evilrob> http://www.google.com/search?q=convert+deb+rpm
Apr 01 16:31:55 <evilrob> yes.  like with alien
Apr 01 16:32:12 <TSCHAKeee2> kanibalv: so really, just chill.
Apr 01 16:32:18 <kanibalv> it's just sad for all those applications
Apr 01 16:32:30 <thiago> no it's not
Apr 01 16:32:34 <thiago> they just need to be repackaged
Apr 01 16:32:35 * TSCHAKeee2 watches the point fly completely over kanibalv's head
Apr 01 16:32:36 <evilrob> if a package maintainer wants their package used going forward, they can produce both formants
Apr 01 16:32:36 <kanibalv> all that work needs to be rebuild
Apr 01 16:32:44 <kanibalv> repackaged
Apr 01 16:32:46 <thiago> yes
Apr 01 16:32:49 <thiago> which isn't hard
Apr 01 16:32:54 <TSCHAKeee2> it's not hard in the slightest
Apr 01 16:33:05 <TSCHAKeee2> and with build servers, that can be automated
Apr 01 16:33:14 <thiago> much better build servers, I might add
Apr 01 16:33:17 <TSCHAKeee2> this is merely a logistical problem
Apr 01 16:33:22 <kanibalv> ok
Apr 01 16:33:26 <TSCHAKeee2> not a technical one in the least.
Apr 01 16:33:33 * TSCHAKeee2 hands kanibalv a happy pill.
Apr 01 16:33:36 <kanibalv> thanks
Apr 01 16:34:22 <TSCHAKeee2> trust me, meego has bigger issues
Apr 01 16:34:24 <TSCHAKeee2> much bigger ones
Apr 01 16:34:29 <TSCHAKeee2> this one's easy.
Apr 01 16:35:48 <kanibalv> itś just because a plataform is bigger and good by their applications
Apr 01 16:36:00 <TSCHAKeee2> o_O
Apr 01 16:36:05 <TSCHAKeee2> *Scratch-head*
Apr 01 16:36:10 <TSCHAKeee2> i thought we were all on the same side
Apr 01 16:36:13 <kanibalv> and a good plataform with no applications is nothing
Apr 01 16:36:14 <TSCHAKeee2> hm
Apr 01 16:36:16 <TSCHAKeee2> silly me
Apr 01 16:36:38 * thiago decides not to go into this discussion *again*
Apr 01 16:36:42 <thiago> the decision is made.
Apr 01 16:36:50 <TSCHAKeee2> mhmm
Apr 01 16:36:53 <thiago> we don't need to discuss DEB vs RPM every week.
Apr 01 16:36:57 <kanibalv> thiago ok
Apr 01 16:37:16 <TSCHAKeee2> thiago: maybe a canned-bot would help here
Apr 01 16:37:26 <TSCHAKeee2> thiago: that scans for the words WHY RPM and DEB
Apr 01 16:37:26 * thiago points to infobot 
Apr 01 16:37:28 <TSCHAKeee2> :P
Apr 01 16:37:31 <TSCHAKeee2> oh ok
Apr 01 16:37:33 <TSCHAKeee2> :)
Apr 01 16:37:47 * TSCHAKeee2 laughs
Apr 01 16:37:48 <kanibalv> is not the package format I'm talking about is for applications availability
Apr 01 16:37:56 <TSCHAKeee2> ...
Apr 01 16:37:59 <TSCHAKeee2> it's linux
Apr 01 16:38:02 * TSCHAKeee2 looks
Apr 01 16:38:07 <TSCHAKeee2> lots of apps for linux last time i looked
Apr 01 16:38:14 <thiago> if an application is needed, package it, done.
Apr 01 16:38:25 <TSCHAKeee2> almost two decades worth
Apr 01 16:38:35 <kanibalv> ok, thanks
Apr 01 16:39:24 * TSCHAKeee2 does his Harvey Keitel in Reservoir Dogs impression, "IT'S GONNA BE OKAAAAAY!!!"
Apr 01 16:39:29 <TSCHAKeee2> ;)
Apr 01 16:40:04 <TSCHAKeee2> (yes, I am a smartass) ;)
Apr 01 16:41:43 <CosmoHill> cosmo@meander:~/linux-2.6.33.1$ time (make -j15 ARCH=i386; )
Apr 01 16:41:44 <CosmoHill> :)
Apr 01 16:42:03 <tripzero> j15 eh?
Apr 01 16:42:12 <tripzero> how many cores you got hiding in that beast CosmoHill
Apr 01 16:42:18 <CosmoHill> 8
Apr 01 16:42:37 <tripzero> wouldn't make -j9 be faster?
Apr 01 16:42:37 <TSCHAKeee2> heheheh
Apr 01 16:42:38 * thiago uses -j60
Apr 01 16:42:41 <TSCHAKeee2> i'm jealous
Apr 01 16:42:47 <CosmoHill> thiago: :o
Apr 01 16:42:57 <tripzero> thiago, compile farm?
Apr 01 16:42:59 <tripzero> icecc ftw
Apr 01 16:43:03 <thiago> yes
Apr 01 16:43:08 <TSCHAKeee2> i've not used icecc
Apr 01 16:43:11 <evilrob> jsut use "-j" it will fire off as many is the makefile will allow
Apr 01 16:43:12 <TSCHAKeee2> is that like distcc?
Apr 01 16:43:15 <thiago> but not icecream
Apr 01 16:43:20 <thiago> TSCHAKeee2: better, since it has a scheduler
Apr 01 16:43:28 <evilrob> might wedge your box, but what's the fun in that if you don't try  :)
Apr 01 16:43:34 <TSCHAKeee2> thiago: oh nice, that was something i wanted out of distcc :D
Apr 01 16:44:04 * thiago wonders why
Apr 01 16:44:15 <thiago> icecream has existed for at least 6 years
Apr 01 16:44:16 <CosmoHill> real    2m2.577s
Apr 01 16:44:45 <tripzero> chocolate icecream is a bit newer
Apr 01 16:44:47 <TSCHAKeee2> thiago: because, I work on a large project (LinuxMCE) as one of the core devs.. we did use distcc for a while, but ran into weird little problems.
Apr 01 16:45:40 <TSCHAKeee2> (which really, had more to do with the bizarre setups of my own than anything else... no fault but my own.) :)
Apr 01 16:46:29 <TSCHAKeee2> I am currently investigating moving the entire LinuxMCE stack (DCE) and reengineering our Orbiter distributed UI using Clutter, putting it all atop MeeGo as a "House UX"
Apr 01 16:46:34 <tripzero> thiago, i imagine you do a lot of compiling qt?
Apr 01 16:46:51 <thiago> tripzero: yes
Apr 01 16:47:03 <tripzero> in that case -j60 would be very nice to have :)
Apr 01 16:47:06 <TSCHAKeee2> I have to churn through a little over a million lines of code, regularly in our own code base.
Apr 01 16:48:52 <nhamoudi> Hello - does anyone know when source code for layers on top of middleware layer will be available? Looking for example for the telephony stack
Apr 01 16:49:09 <thiago> nhamoudi: ofono is already available
Apr 01 16:49:20 <thiago> but that's still at the middleware layer
Apr 01 16:52:00 * CosmoHill twitches
Apr 01 16:52:36 <TSCHAKeee2> people REAAAALLLY wanna get meego running on their n900's huh?
Apr 01 16:52:39 <TSCHAKeee2> ;)
Apr 01 16:52:46 * TSCHAKeee2 is also an n900 user.
Apr 01 16:52:54 <CosmoHill> meego is just fucking with me
Apr 01 16:53:48 <TSCHAKeee2> this is what happens when you give the kids a funny name
Apr 01 16:53:52 <TSCHAKeee2> :P
Apr 01 16:54:11 <slaine> Stskeeps: what's the problem with the installer ?
Apr 01 16:54:21 <TSCHAKeee2> they develop small emotional mismatches that develop into full blown adult neuroses
Apr 01 16:54:26 <slaine> as in, why was is removed from the kickstart file
Apr 01 16:54:49 <CosmoHill> i tell my server to mount things as rw and it does ro
Apr 01 16:55:48 <nhamoudi> I'm pretty sure that ofono is not the stack that is running on N900 - it is not yet mature enough.
Apr 01 16:56:08 <thiago> the N900 doesn't run ofono
Apr 01 16:56:12 <thiago> MeeGo does
Apr 01 16:56:17 <slaine> it's installed by default to my knowledge, but they have got it working on the n900
Apr 01 16:56:43 <TSCHAKeee2> ofono still needs loooooooooooooooooooooooots of work
Apr 01 16:56:56 <Stskeeps> slaine: hmm?
Apr 01 16:56:59 <TSCHAKeee2> and i have a feeling it may need some little binary blobs for the gsm parts before it's all over
Apr 01 16:57:07 <tripzero> TSCHAKeee2, rely? i thought it was getting pretty close?
Apr 01 16:57:24 <TSCHAKeee2> tripzero: has it matured in the last couple of months?
Apr 01 16:57:27 <TSCHAKeee2> I need to check again
Apr 01 16:57:32 <TSCHAKeee2> i am very interested in it.
Apr 01 16:57:42 <Stskeeps> slaine: in the developer images it's meant to be as close to OBS packages, it isn't the old 'developer tools' ones
Apr 01 16:57:43 <nhamoudi> there are already images for N900 w/ Meego (http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/n900/images/) so are you saying that Ofono is part of this meego...?
Apr 01 16:57:58 <tripzero> ofono is part of meego
Apr 01 16:57:59 <TSCHAKeee2> nhamoudi: dude, if you're asking this question
Apr 01 16:58:06 <TSCHAKeee2> nhamoudi: it is too early for you to participate.
Apr 01 16:58:36 <TSCHAKeee2> nhamoudi: there isn't much more than the base system and X running on the n900 images.
Apr 01 16:58:43 <red> I have a error about missing dependencies, libqtcore for one
Apr 01 16:58:46 <slaine> Stskeeps: I don't follow ?
Apr 01 16:58:52 <Stskeeps> slaine: installer problem?
Apr 01 16:58:54 <red> trying to use apt-get -f to fix them doesnt do anything
Apr 01 16:58:55 * Stskeeps is missing context
Apr 01 16:59:09 <red> oops, was supposed to talk in #maemo :)
Apr 01 16:59:39 <milliams> red: Careful with that "apt-get" talk in here :)
Apr 01 16:59:51 <nhamoudi> TSCHAkee2: thanks
Apr 01 17:01:49 <slaine> Stskeeps: it seems it's got failed deps
Apr 01 17:02:17 <slaine> installer pulls in system-config-date which pulls in gnome-python-canvas which ain't there
Apr 01 17:02:29 <CosmoHill> yay
Apr 01 17:02:33 <Stskeeps> slaine: not involved with that sorry
Apr 01 17:02:33 <CosmoHill> i got something to compress it
Apr 01 17:02:56 <slaine> careful kid, you could go blind
Apr 01 17:03:04 <Stskeeps> slaine: report as bug i guess
Apr 01 17:05:15 <slaine> Stskeeps: yup
Apr 01 17:07:02 <rascal> hi all!
Apr 01 17:07:49 <CosmoHill> rawr!
Apr 01 17:08:24 <rascal> i m running meego on my netbook but i don t remember login localhost and password..... could u help me please. it s in the first boot step on "live usb"
Apr 01 17:08:41 <CosmoHill> try "root" as the username
Apr 01 17:09:57 <red> milliams: yes I was talking on wrong channel :)
Apr 01 17:10:02 <red> keybind for meego/maemo next to eachother
Apr 01 17:10:09 <rascal> ok first step  root and next? password?
Apr 01 17:10:43 <thiago> meego
Apr 01 17:11:25 <rascal> ok login root and pass meego
Apr 01 17:11:56 <rascal> next , i have no gfx interface
Apr 01 17:12:48 <thiago> start X now
Apr 01 17:13:16 <rascal> how to start the desktop please? start X dont work ..... :(
Apr 01 17:13:20 <CosmoHill> startx
Apr 01 17:13:23 <thiago> what desktop?
Apr 01 17:13:28 <thiago> you can start X
Apr 01 17:13:33 <thiago> you can even run xterm inside it
Apr 01 17:14:25 <rascal> xterm , no
Apr 01 17:14:50 <rascal> command not found
Apr 01 17:15:06 <rascal> strange ?
Apr 01 17:15:08 <CosmoHill> thiago: do you know what controls the boot loader?
Apr 01 17:15:20 <thiago> no
Apr 01 17:15:24 <CosmoHill> kk
Apr 01 17:16:13 <rascal> well
Apr 01 17:16:18 <rascal> :(
Apr 01 17:16:26 <slaine> CosmoHill: what do you mean ?
Apr 01 17:16:33 <CosmoHill> like menu.lst for grub
Apr 01 17:16:38 <CosmoHill> -.-
Apr 01 17:17:10 * CosmoHill grabs slaine so he stays in the channel
Apr 01 17:17:15 <CosmoHill> like menu.lst for grub
Apr 01 17:17:16 <slaine> sorry
Apr 01 17:17:27 <slaine> cmd+w in the wrong app
Apr 01 17:17:28 <rascal> i try meego on live usb but i cant start gfx interface.....
Apr 01 17:17:36 <rascal> need command
Apr 01 17:17:41 <thiago> rascal: there is no GUI
Apr 01 17:17:44 <thiago> there's X
Apr 01 17:17:46 <thiago> that's all
Apr 01 17:17:50 <slaine> CosmoHill: the liveusb is using sysconfig
Apr 01 17:17:52 <CosmoHill> try "startx"
Apr 01 17:18:07 <slaine> so there should be a syslinux.cfg file
Apr 01 17:18:23 <rascal> no gui ..... oh that explain my problem
Apr 01 17:18:28 <slaine> sorry, I said sysconfig above, meant syslinux
Apr 01 17:18:52 <slaine> force of habit
Apr 01 17:20:50 <NishanthMenon> thiago, same "startx" on n900? all i see is http://www.myimagespace.com/public/view/3248
Apr 01 17:21:02 <rascal> many thanks , bye bye all !!!! ;)
Apr 01 17:21:08 <CosmoHill> bye
Apr 01 17:21:17 <NishanthMenon> no startx either
Apr 01 17:21:30 <slaine> I couldn't get X to start
Apr 01 17:21:34 <slaine> on x86
Apr 01 17:21:35 <koupsa> can anybody test 'yum install xorg-x11-server'
Apr 01 17:21:36 <thiago> NishanthMenon: yes, that's what you get
Apr 01 17:21:37 <abhijeet> hi gues...
Apr 01 17:21:50 <slaine> koupsa: what happens when you run it
Apr 01 17:21:50 <thiago> NishanthMenon: X is already running. You're on an xterm.
Apr 01 17:22:00 <abhijeet> i want to learn programming in meego.. can anyone help to get set go
Apr 01 17:22:01 <NishanthMenon> thiago, thx.. i had expected GUI :D
Apr 01 17:22:03 <koupsa> dependance fails
Apr 01 17:22:08 <thiago> NishanthMenon: there isn't one yet.
Apr 01 17:22:15 <thiago> NishanthMenon: feel free to write one.
Apr 01 17:22:19 <thiago> or use an existing one.
Apr 01 17:22:28 <Stskeeps> slaine: intel side doesn't boot into x afaik
Apr 01 17:22:29 <slaine> abinader: http://meego.com/developers/getting-started
Apr 01 17:22:41 <NishanthMenon> thiago, ;) i miss hildon-desktop :)
Apr 01 17:22:44 <slaine> Stskeeps: no, it doesn't, but starting X kills it
Apr 01 17:22:50 <thiago> there's no Hildon in MeeGo
Apr 01 17:22:51 <abinader> slaine: ?
Apr 01 17:23:05 * NishanthMenon has much to relearn :)
Apr 01 17:23:11 <abinader> slaine: i think it's for abhijeet :D
Apr 01 17:23:16 <slaine> oops, sorry
Apr 01 17:23:22 <slaine> abhijeet: http://meego.com/developers/getting-started
Apr 01 17:23:24 <abhijeet> slaine: ok
Apr 01 17:23:35 <slaine> abinader: sorry
Apr 01 17:23:46 <slaine> tab completion fail
Apr 01 17:23:48 <abhijeet> guys do you think meego is going to survive in the competition with android.
Apr 01 17:23:59 * CosmoHill creates a squashfs img
Apr 01 17:24:00 <abinader> slaine: no prob :D
Apr 01 17:24:03 <thiago> abhijeet: the objective is to kill android.
Apr 01 17:24:10 <thiago> and the rest of the commpetition :-)
Apr 01 17:24:12 <abhijeet> thiago: :)
Apr 01 17:24:27 <slaine> abhijeet: you're really asking the wrong people
Apr 01 17:24:46 <abhijeet> slaine: just an opinion.
Apr 01 17:25:07 <slaine> I personally think meego is doomed to failure, that's why I'm spending all my time here participating :P
Apr 01 17:25:50 <CosmoHill> http://stats.bluesquarelinux.co.uk/index.php?disp=dynamic my poor server
Apr 01 17:26:01 <abhijeet> slaine: :)
Apr 01 17:26:18 <Scorpiion> Hello everyone!
Apr 01 17:26:27 <Stskeeps> Samir Faci in here?
Apr 01 17:26:48 <Scorpiion> Is Meego a part of GSoC?
Apr 01 17:26:54 <thiago> Scorpiion: no, but Maemo is
Apr 01 17:27:17 <drizztbsd> and moblin?
Apr 01 17:27:40 <slaine> drizztbsd: don't think so
Apr 01 17:28:01 <thiago> Maemo submitted as Maemo because the MeeGo name was too new
Apr 01 17:28:04 <abhijeet> i checked on the QT site and found that there are two version of QT IDE available.. one is 45MB while the other one which mentioned inte meego site is 450MB....i have installed the 45mb version on my ubuntu desktop.... what is the differene between them
Apr 01 17:28:06 <thiago> treat it as Meego
Apr 01 17:28:10 <thiago> abhijeet: Qt
Apr 01 17:28:18 <Scorpiion> thiago: yeah I know, but that's a little confusioning since Maemo will be Meego.. :P
Apr 01 17:28:21 <thiago> what exactly did you download?
Apr 01 17:28:45 <slaine> abhijeet: QT == QuickTime
Apr 01 17:28:45 <abhijeet> thiago: one sec i will give u the link
Apr 01 17:28:46 <lcuk> abhijeet, the 405mb is padding bytes
Apr 01 17:28:52 <lcuk> to ensure your download isnt damaged in transit
Apr 01 17:28:57 <slaine> lol
Apr 01 17:29:16 <slaine> the padding may include some useful bytes like demos and docs
Apr 01 17:29:24 <lcuk> that too
Apr 01 17:31:31 * thiago goes to the Qt website and finds out that the only thing that is 45 MB is the Qt Creator binary
Apr 01 17:31:36 <thiago> so you downloaded the IDE
Apr 01 17:31:45 <thiago> you didn't download Qt, nor the rest of the toolchain
Apr 01 17:32:15 <slaine> On your ubuntu desktop all you had to do was apt-get install qtcreator
Apr 01 17:32:18 <abhijeet> thiago: http://qt.nokia.com/downloads go down to the "Qt Creator IDE"
Apr 01 17:32:30 <slaine> abhijeet: that's a tool
Apr 01 17:32:36 <slaine> not the Qt stack
Apr 01 17:32:44 <thiago> you've got a nice text editor now
Apr 01 17:32:54 <slaine> Open a terminal and type in
Apr 01 17:32:59 <slaine> sudo apt-get install qtcreator
Apr 01 17:33:11 <slaine> it's already packaged in the ubuntu repositories
Apr 01 17:33:14 <abhijeet> yes.. also my programes are also getting built.
Apr 01 17:33:25 <slaine> I installed it on my netbook and it works fine
Apr 01 17:33:27 <abhijeet> i have created small application using that ide...
Apr 01 17:33:32 <slaine> cool
Apr 01 17:33:32 <abhijeet> it worked...
Apr 01 17:33:39 <slaine> you must have had the rest installed
Apr 01 17:34:03 <abhijeet> mean Qt libraries are already there in my system.
Apr 01 17:35:01 <slaine> yup
Apr 01 17:35:11 <slaine> and compilers etc
Apr 01 17:35:11 <abhijeet> so Qt libraries are 400MB...
Apr 01 17:35:16 <abhijeet> ok
Apr 01 17:35:24 <abhijeet> that's quite huge..
Apr 01 17:35:34 <slaine> there's a lot of documentation too
Apr 01 17:35:44 <abhijeet> gnome does not need so much library....
Apr 01 17:35:45 <slaine> but yes, it's a massive set of frameworks
Apr 01 17:36:16 <slaine> erm, it probably does, 'cause gnome is a desktop environment and includes a lot of packages
Apr 01 17:36:17 <thiago> the Qt libraries aren't that big
Apr 01 17:36:36 <slaine> and 400Mb is more than just the libs
Apr 01 17:36:45 <thiago> 400 MB includes the compiler toolchain and probably more too
Apr 01 17:37:03 <abhijeet> ok...
Apr 01 17:39:35 <abhijeet> so meego applications are same as normal Qt applications...
Apr 01 17:39:57 <thiago> no
Apr 01 17:40:02 <thiago> MeeGo applications are Linux applications
Apr 01 17:40:10 <thiago> whether they are made with Qt or not, it doesn't matter
Apr 01 17:40:34 <abhijeet> thiago: i did not get you...
Apr 01 17:41:08 <thiago> ok
Apr 01 17:41:23 * TSCHAKeee2 hugs thiago
Apr 01 17:41:24 <thiago> MeeGo is Linux. Any Linux application for X11 will run on MeeGo.
Apr 01 17:41:31 <thiago> (ok, I'm exaggerating a bit, but you get the point)
Apr 01 17:41:45 <abhijeet> thiago: yeah.......
Apr 01 17:42:50 <thiago> now, we recommend you use Qt
Apr 01 17:42:54 <abhijeet> thiago: are you a meego professional or what.
Apr 01 17:43:23 <abhijeet> thiago: because nokia is in it  :)
Apr 01 17:43:27 * TSCHAKeee2 is still deliberating on whether to use Qt's canvas or Clutter...
Apr 01 17:43:32 * thiago works for Nokia
Apr 01 17:43:42 <abhijeet> oopsss..
Apr 01 17:44:35 <thiago> for Qt Development Frameworks, more precisely
Apr 01 17:44:42 <alden> qt > gtk imo
Apr 01 17:44:58 <TSCHAKeee2> Qt is the only C++ toolkit I can stand
Apr 01 17:45:10 <TSCHAKeee2> which is ironic as hell, because the project i lead is built entirely on STL *facepalm*
Apr 01 17:45:17 * TSCHAKeee2 goes to bash his skull against a brick wall
Apr 01 17:45:27 <abhijeet> thiago: so there is a posibility of other tool kits for meebo :like gnome..
Apr 01 17:45:40 <abhijeet> since this is linux it can run anything..
Apr 01 17:45:46 <TSCHAKeee2> abhijeet: dude, you can use whatever the @#($#@($ you want :)
Apr 01 17:45:59 <thiago> abhijeet: GNOME is not a toolkit
Apr 01 17:46:10 <pippin> thiago: and neither is Qt ;)
Apr 01 17:46:14 <slaine> You can use Clutter or GTK+ if you like
Apr 01 17:46:17 <abhijeet> TSCHAKeee2: ok
Apr 01 17:46:22 <thiago> pippin: heya
Apr 01 17:46:23 <slaine> pippin: Oooooo
Apr 01 17:46:29 <TSCHAKeee2> hehehe
Apr 01 17:46:41 <slaine> Though he's right
Apr 01 17:46:45 <slaine> it's grown past a toolkit
Apr 01 17:46:49 <slaine> it's not a set of frameworks
Apr 01 17:46:56 <TSCHAKeee2> it's...something of a juggerkit
Apr 01 17:46:57 <thiago> you can even use wxWidgets or raw libX11 if you'd like
Apr 01 17:47:00 <thiago> Motif
Apr 01 17:47:14 <TSCHAKeee2> i'd have to shoot the person who still uses Motif
Apr 01 17:47:15 <slaine> Motif for the win
Apr 01 17:47:21 <TSCHAKeee2> put them out of their (#@$#@($@ misery
Apr 01 17:47:21 <abhijeet> that's nice..
Apr 01 17:47:46 <abhijeet> not like android.. which is restricting the developers to there apis...
Apr 01 17:47:48 <TSCHAKeee2> Xt supporters are a bit like the confederate revivalists that do civil war simulations in the US
Apr 01 17:47:57 <TSCHAKeee2> "someday the south will rise"
Apr 01 17:48:01 <pippin> thiago: hi :)
Apr 01 17:48:02 <TSCHAKeee2> *banjo-music*
Apr 01 17:48:05 <TSCHAKeee2> :P :)
Apr 01 17:48:07 <alden> hehe
Apr 01 17:48:23 <alden> whats their argument for sticking with Xt tho?
Apr 01 17:48:23 * CosmoHill is getting somewhere
Apr 01 17:48:32 * slaine is getting no where
Apr 01 17:48:37 <mrec> hmm does meego work with qemu?
Apr 01 17:49:21 <alden> oh yeah, has anyone run meego in a vm yet?
Apr 01 17:49:27 <slaine> mrec: the arm one does
Apr 01 17:49:35 <thiago> now, use the toolkit you think is best for you
Apr 01 17:49:37 <mrec> I'm getting a pci bus error with qemu
Apr 01 17:49:48 <slaine> the x86 one has kernel issues in VirtualBox for me
Apr 01 17:49:54 <slaine> not spent any time investigating
Apr 01 17:50:04 <TSCHAKeee2> I really love the way clutter works as far as its canvas
Apr 01 17:50:05 <mrec> slaine: something like pci kernel error?
Apr 01 17:50:13 <TSCHAKeee2> I can't wait to see how Qt's equivalent works...
Apr 01 17:50:23 <alden> slaine: the atom netbook image?
Apr 01 17:50:23 <slaine> something liek that
Apr 01 17:50:26 <slaine> yes
Apr 01 17:50:36 <mrec> slaine: then I'm getting the same with qemu
Apr 01 17:50:45 <slaine> interesting
Apr 01 17:50:54 <slaine> log a but
Apr 01 17:50:57 <slaine> bug even
Apr 01 17:50:59 <CosmoHill> I've been focusing on the actually image itsell and not the live image
Apr 01 17:53:45 <CosmoHill> oh ohh oh holy shit
Apr 01 17:53:46 <CosmoHill> I have a shell
Apr 01 17:53:52 <CosmoHill> I have a meego shell in virtual box
Apr 01 17:54:40 <alden> CosmoHill: nice :)
Apr 01 17:54:52 <CosmoHill> not quiet there yet
Apr 01 17:55:17 <CosmoHill> need to sort out
Apr 01 17:55:17 <CosmoHill>   INSTALL arch/x86/kernel/test_nx.ko
Apr 01 17:55:17 <CosmoHill>   INSTALL drivers/scsi/scsi_wait_scan.ko
Apr 01 17:56:31 <lcuk> CosmoHill, now, to make a call on real device, its simple!
Apr 01 17:56:38 <lcuk> you just have to login, cd /usr/bin;  make-a-call < /home/users/contacts/friends/mom.contact
Apr 01 17:56:58 * TSCHAKeee2 thwaps lcuk :P :)
Apr 01 17:57:05 <lcuk> :D
Apr 01 17:57:20 <TSCHAKeee2> good thing you didn't put that on the maemo forums
Apr 01 17:57:23 <TSCHAKeee2> or they'd be trying it
Apr 01 17:57:27 <TSCHAKeee2> "DAMN IT, IT DOESN'T WORK!"
Apr 01 17:57:31 <TSCHAKeee2> "NOKIA SUCKS!"
Apr 01 17:57:34 * TSCHAKeee2 shakes head
Apr 01 17:58:02 <lcuk> :)
Apr 01 17:58:13 <TSCHAKeee2> i watched
Apr 01 17:58:20 <TSCHAKeee2> as almost hundreds of people
Apr 01 17:58:22 <Shapeshifter> lcuk: that works?
Apr 01 17:58:26 <TSCHAKeee2> went to the meego site, and downloaded the image
Apr 01 17:58:42 <TSCHAKeee2> and flashed their bricks, and shriek in sheer terror, as their brick became a brick :P
Apr 01 17:58:45 <TSCHAKeee2> :)
Apr 01 17:58:47 * lcuk prefers to think of users as valuable assets
Apr 01 17:59:08 <CosmoHill> erm
Apr 01 17:59:10 <TSCHAKeee2> "WHAT IS THIS WHITE WINDOW WITH WORDS?! WHERE ARE THE PICTURES?!?!"
Apr 01 17:59:13 <TSCHAKeee2> :P :)
Apr 01 17:59:14 <CosmoHill> what FS is initrd0.img ?
Apr 01 17:59:48 <mrec> good to know that meego uses 2.6.33.1
Apr 01 17:59:58 <mrec> the release which is fucked up by suse :(
Apr 01 18:00:00 <TSCHAKeee2> CosmoHill: probably the initrd format
Apr 01 18:03:50 <CosmoHill> an initrd is a small image that is loaded with the kernel
Apr 01 18:08:49 <arauho> anybody testing the netbook image here?
Apr 01 18:09:00 <slaine> yes
Apr 01 18:09:01 <alden> CosmoHill is
Apr 01 18:09:04 <alden> and slaine
Apr 01 18:09:10 <alden> im still downloading :(
Apr 01 18:09:18 <slaine> not really a lot we can do
Apr 01 18:09:30 <arauho> slaine: any way to get a gui working there in the current state of things?
Apr 01 18:09:40 <arauho> mm,, i see
Apr 01 18:09:52 * CosmoHill is also eating dinner
Apr 01 18:09:57 <slaine> there's lots of stuff almost there, but lots of stuff missing that breaks it
Apr 01 18:10:06 <cyberkonsult> I was booting it on a netbook with a celeron processor! Worked!! Tryed to boot in VirtualBox , fail.
Apr 01 18:10:45 <alden> CosmoHill, after you get it running in VirtualBox, maybe u could blog the steps to get it working?
Apr 01 18:10:45 <cyberkonsult> s/Tryed/Tried
Apr 01 18:10:56 <slaine> interesting
Apr 01 18:11:01 <slaine> is that a newish celeron ?
Apr 01 18:11:19 <cyberkonsult> yes, acer 1410
Apr 01 18:11:55 <DawnFoster> alden - how's the download speed?
Apr 01 18:12:02 <mrec> I'll try replacing the kernel + initrd image
Apr 01 18:12:26 <DawnFoster> I think we got some additional mirroring set up to handle the load - is it helping?
Apr 01 18:13:58 <cyberkonsult> slaine: 'Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU  743  @ 1.30GHz'
Apr 01 18:14:25 <slaine> can you cat /proc/cpuinfo
Apr 01 18:14:33 <slaine> and paste the cpuflags somewhere please
Apr 01 18:15:09 <cyberkonsult> slaine: sure, couple of rows there...
Apr 01 18:15:38 <alden> DawnFoster: yesterday was 4.6KB/s now getting 30KB/s
Apr 01 18:15:53 <alden> DawnFoster: and im on 256 so thats good..
Apr 01 18:16:16 <DawnFoster> alden: ok, good. I was getting worried.
Apr 01 18:16:30 <DawnFoster> alden: glad to hear it's better today
Apr 01 18:16:39 <cyberkonsult> VirtualBox couln't boot the image.. (usb-image) working on fooling VB to think its a HD..
Apr 01 18:16:48 <alden> DawnFoster: yeah.. maybe next time we should have a torrent?
Apr 01 18:16:54 <CosmoHill> hey DawnFoster
Apr 01 18:17:39 <DawnFoster> hey cosmohill
Apr 01 18:18:25 <CosmoHill> hmm
Apr 01 18:18:26 <CosmoHill> crap
Apr 01 18:18:52 <CosmoHill> two of the servers I'm using don't want to talk to each other
Apr 01 18:18:56 <DawnFoster> alden: I'll ask about torrents. I think there was a reason we didn't do that, but not sure about the details.
Apr 01 18:19:17 <CosmoHill> DawnFoster: I'm working on meego for virtual box
Apr 01 18:19:34 <CosmoHill> I think I'm about one server connection away from fixing this
Apr 01 18:20:05 <DawnFoster> CosmoHill: cool!
Apr 01 18:20:06 <lcuk> DawnFoster, for the nokia images i can see the eula section getting in the way  but for free images i dont think that matters?
Apr 01 18:20:15 <alden> CosmoHill: how are u booting?
Apr 01 18:20:35 <CosmoHill> I converted the usbimg image to a vdi image like slaine told me too
Apr 01 18:20:46 <CosmoHill> I'm then access parts of that image via a livecd and making changes
Apr 01 18:21:02 <slaine> DawnFoster: I'm getting 14Kb/s from the repo's
Apr 01 18:21:10 <CosmoHill> TSCHAKeee2: you're right, it was an initrd format (cpio gunzip)
Apr 01 18:21:46 <DawnFoster> slaine: ick. that doesn't sound good. what's your connection speed?
Apr 01 18:22:05 <slaine> 4Mb leased line
Apr 01 18:22:37 <DawnFoster> slaine: yeah, not good.I'll let them know.
Apr 01 18:22:56 <slaine> was getting full bandwidth on downloading the image this morning (UTC)
Apr 01 18:23:20 <slaine> this is from the yum repo's though (think it's the same server)
Apr 01 18:23:54 <mrec> I'm able to boot meego with the ubuntu kernel lol
Apr 01 18:24:08 <mrec> little bit fiddling around but it seems to work
Apr 01 18:24:21 <slaine> DawnFoster: scrap that
Apr 01 18:24:46 <slaine> I just logged into the firewall and someone's obviously left something downloading
Apr 01 18:24:52 <slaine> as it's maxed out there
Apr 01 18:25:25 <alden> mrec: nice :)
Apr 01 18:25:45 <slaine> I bet I know who it is too
Apr 01 18:25:56 <DawnFoster> slaine: oh good (for me maybe not for you) :)
Apr 01 18:26:13 <DawnFoster> we were afraid something with the mirrors was screwed up.
Apr 01 18:26:33 <slaine> I figured I'd better check the local net first before you go bothering mshaver
Apr 01 18:27:14 <DawnFoster> I was already on IM with mrshaver (as usual) - he's also happy that it was on your end, not ours :)
Apr 01 18:27:54 <slaine> Tell him sorry for the false alarm
Apr 01 18:28:05 <DawnFoster> slaine: will do.
Apr 01 18:28:18 <slaine> Actually, can you ask him about mirror requests
Apr 01 18:28:55 <DawnFoster> let me see if he can pop into irc
Apr 01 18:29:31 <slaine> I got someone from http://ftp.heanet.ie/ to contact him last year about mirroring Moblin
Apr 01 18:29:36 <slaine> It never happened
Apr 01 18:30:06 <slaine> I'd like to see an Irish mirror of MeeGo if possible
Apr 01 18:33:54 <DawnFoster> slaine: I have to drop off IRC for a bit, but it looks like mrshaver is here for you :)
Apr 01 18:34:16 <mrshaver> slaine: how are things?
Apr 01 18:34:18 <slaine> sweet, thanks DawnFoster
Apr 01 18:34:22 <slaine> mrshaver: not too bad
Apr 01 18:34:40 <slaine> I know you're probably crazy busy
Apr 01 18:34:40 <mrshaver> not sure I'm the right person, but I can try to answer mirror questions
Apr 01 18:35:05 <slaine> Well, not sure if you remember, but last year, I tried to get a mirror for moblin setup with the guys at http://ftp.heanet.ie/
Apr 01 18:35:34 <slaine> I was given your contact details iirc and passed them on, Gareth Eason was probably the chap that contacted you
Apr 01 18:35:34 <mrshaver> I do recall that
Apr 01 18:35:37 <slaine> cool
Apr 01 18:35:53 <slaine> Well, basically, wondering if we could try again for Meego and the repo's etc.
Apr 01 18:36:05 <slaine> not sure how the mirrors are structured
Apr 01 18:36:14 <slaine> is it feasible even ?
Apr 01 18:36:41 <mrshaver> I don't know exactly what is planned at this point, but we are much better prepared this time to accept additional mirrors
Apr 01 18:37:02 <mrshaver> we'll also be mirroring on kernel.org, like moblin was
Apr 01 18:37:42 <mrshaver> their mirror network is smart and will pick the correct mirror for location
Apr 01 18:37:44 <slaine> yeah, I'm not sure how the kernel.org mirrors work. heanet have a mirror of kernel.org, but mirrors.kernel.org seems like different infrastructure
Apr 01 18:38:09 <slaine> and I'm not sure there is a local node for that.
Apr 01 18:38:31 <mrshaver> I don't know exactly where their nodes are?
Apr 01 18:38:40 <slaine> me neither
Apr 01 18:38:50 <slaine> we'll broach this again if there's a need
Apr 01 18:38:53 <mrshaver> but they are bandwidth heavy, which is good
Apr 01 18:38:56 <slaine> thanks for you're time
Apr 01 18:38:59 <CosmoHill> rawr!
Apr 01 18:39:13 <mrshaver> slaine:  np
Apr 01 18:39:23 <alden> mrshaver: we should put up a torrent
Apr 01 18:39:27 <CosmoHill> damn thing
Apr 01 18:39:43 <slaine> heanet have tonnes of bandwidth and space and are only a hop or two away from me, so that's nice :)
Apr 01 18:39:57 <mrshaver> alden: it was discussed with moblin and it's worth exploring for Meego for sure
Apr 01 18:40:28 <CosmoHill> the initrd0 was vfat
Apr 01 18:40:31 <CosmoHill> but not it's not
Apr 01 18:41:05 <milliams> Is it possible to install one of the images from http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/images/ in VirtualBox?
Apr 01 18:42:59 <CosmoHill> milliams: I've been on it since lunch time :(
Apr 01 18:43:19 <prenzo> hi, has anyone tried meego on atom yet?
Apr 01 18:43:27 <alden> CosmoHill: you accessed parts of the image from livecd?
Apr 01 18:43:39 <CosmoHill> yes
Apr 01 18:43:50 <alden> CosmoHill: livecd is a tool of some sort?
Apr 01 18:43:52 <milliams> CosmoHill: Hmm, ok then. Perhaps for the next image drop they could provide an VB image for us.
Apr 01 18:44:21 <CosmoHill> I'm working on a vdi file
Apr 01 18:44:35 <prenzo> what do you use to burn an usb?
Apr 01 18:45:06 <tripzero> prenzo, dd works
Apr 01 18:45:11 <koupsaa> prenzo dd
Apr 01 18:45:15 <prenzo> cool
Apr 01 18:45:23 <tripzero> also, ubuntu has a usb image gui thingy
Apr 01 18:45:37 <tripzero> usb-image-creator or something of the sort
Apr 01 18:45:44 <tripzero> it's just a frontend to dd iirc
Apr 01 18:45:46 <slaine> that's for iso's to usb disks iirc
Apr 01 18:45:54 <tripzero> nope, that's a different tool
Apr 01 18:46:10 <tripzero> ImageWriter
Apr 01 18:46:11 <prenzo> I'll try it tonight. I'd been trying to download the image since yesterday and I finally got it minutes ago.
Apr 01 18:46:18 <alden> usb-creator-gtk
Apr 01 18:46:25 <tripzero> ding
Apr 01 18:46:31 <tripzero> alden wins!
Apr 01 18:46:37 <slaine> pretty sure that takes an iso
Apr 01 18:46:42 <alden> woho!
Apr 01 18:46:59 <tripzero> oh, yep
Apr 01 18:47:01 <prenzo> have anyone tried flashnul?
Apr 01 18:47:05 <tripzero> that one does take the iso
Apr 01 18:47:06 <tripzero> 2 secs
Apr 01 18:47:09 <alden> the dropdown shows cd imagees and disk images
Apr 01 18:47:14 <slaine> "Ubuntu Live USB Creator (usb-creator) is an official tool to create Live USBs of Ubuntu from the Live CD or from an iso image. "
Apr 01 18:47:17 <tripzero> usb-imagewriter
Apr 01 18:47:24 <tripzero> slaine ^^
Apr 01 18:47:36 <slaine> never seen that one
Apr 01 18:47:39 * slaine goes look
Apr 01 18:48:21 <slaine> yeah, that's a new one
Apr 01 18:48:28 <slaine> basic gui over dd as you said
Apr 01 18:49:36 <slaine> right, I've been at work for 12 hours now
Apr 01 18:49:40 <slaine> I think it's time to head
Apr 01 18:50:00 <slaine> catch you all tomorrow
Apr 01 18:50:53 <alden> later
Apr 01 18:57:51 <cyberkonsult> At least I got to grub, and started to boot...
Apr 01 18:58:17 * CosmoHill twices
Apr 01 18:58:17 <cyberkonsult> screenshot: http://www.cyberkonsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/snapshot1.png
Apr 01 19:00:18 <CosmoHill> you're trying to get meego to work on virtual box?
Apr 01 19:00:48 <cyberkonsult> Yes.. crazy... but it booted on my celeron....
Apr 01 19:01:50 <cyberkonsult> CosmoHill, have a real image for me???
Apr 01 19:02:05 <CosmoHill> no
Apr 01 19:02:09 <cyberkonsult> ;(
Apr 01 19:02:17 <CosmoHill> don't make me hurt you
Apr 01 19:02:40 <lbt> CosmoHill: what processor do you have?
Apr 01 19:02:46 <CosmoHill> Core 2 Duo
Apr 01 19:02:54 <CosmoHill> I have my own kernel
Apr 01 19:02:54 <lbt> does it have ssse3 ?
Apr 01 19:04:05 <cyberkonsult> lbt: my celeron 743 got it
Apr 01 19:04:31 <CosmoHill> I think so
Apr 01 19:04:35 <CosmoHill> It has SSE3 and SSE4
Apr 01 19:04:48 <CosmoHill> it can run moblin
Apr 01 19:05:31 <lbt> 3s's
Apr 01 19:05:36 <lbt> ssse3
Apr 01 19:05:39 * microlith boots meego from usb
Apr 01 19:05:41 <CosmoHill> i know
Apr 01 19:05:59 <cyberkonsult> microlith: WHAT?
Apr 01 19:08:17 * microlith shudders as he realizes the only way to configure the wireless at this time is via iwconfig
Apr 01 19:08:50 <microlith> hmm, only the N900 version has X?
Apr 01 19:09:22 <cyberkonsult> microlith: I only got this far... http://www.cyberkonsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/snapshot2.png
Apr 01 19:09:26 <cyberkonsult> any ideas?
Apr 01 19:09:44 <microlith> stack dump, nice
Apr 01 19:10:03 <microlith> oh, you're doing it in virtualbox
Apr 01 19:10:32 <cyberkonsult> Yes, assumed You did to.... :(
Apr 01 19:10:38 <microlith> no, I booted it on my aspire one
Apr 01 19:10:46 <microlith> which runs an Atom N270
Apr 01 19:11:16 <cyberkonsult> booted on a celeron 743 (aspire 1410)
Apr 01 19:12:09 <microlith> what cpu does the virtual box machine have?
Apr 01 19:12:29 <TSCHAKeee2> well, from that early in the spewage
Apr 01 19:12:38 <TSCHAKeee2> that would either indicate the host CPU does not have SSE3
Apr 01 19:12:41 <TSCHAKeee2> or
Apr 01 19:12:45 <TSCHAKeee2> there is ACPI spewage
Apr 01 19:13:06 <TSCHAKeee2> VirtualBox is a hypervisor
Apr 01 19:13:15 <TSCHAKeee2> so it exposes whatever CPU the main CPU is
Apr 01 19:13:33 <TSCHAKeee2> although, virtualbox exposes its own ACPI stuff
Apr 01 19:13:53 <cyberkonsult> Ah.. will try to turn off ACPI then...
Apr 01 19:15:41 <cyberkonsult> no change;(
Apr 01 19:15:56 <microlith> what's the cpu of the host?
Apr 01 19:16:06 <cyberkonsult> celeron 743
Apr 01 19:16:15 <microlith> oh right
Apr 01 19:16:20 <microlith> it booted when run directly
Apr 01 19:16:33 <cyberkonsult> and it boots the usb when run directly too
Apr 01 19:16:50 <cyberkonsult> so it SHOULD boot in VB
Apr 01 19:17:06 <microlith> should, doesn't mean there isn't some subtle compatibility issue
Apr 01 19:27:39 <bfree> anyone manage to get the N900 image working in qemu?   I get "qemu: fatal: VS[LR]I.64 not implemented" at a random time after the (serial) login.  Maybe it really wants a "make install" rather then just ./qemu-system-arm ?
Apr 01 19:27:42 <TSCHAKeee2> http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Qemu
Apr 01 19:28:11 <mrec> I have meego booting up with an ubuntu kernel although it only drops into the meego shell
Apr 01 19:28:13 <bfree> TSCHAKeee2: I'm afraid that's what I was trying :-(
Apr 01 19:28:16 <RST38h> bfree: you have got a wrong cpu arch configured
Apr 01 19:28:22 <mrec> in a virtual machine
Apr 01 19:28:35 <mrec> I guess the initscript isn't complete yet
Apr 01 19:28:43 <mrec> how can someone start the gui with meego?
Apr 01 19:29:09 <mrec> I can upload the modified initrd and ubuntukernel for it afterwards
Apr 01 19:30:07 <bfree> RST38h: thanks ... I guess it's loading some stuff from the installed qemu which it should be getting from the git compiled one :-/   "man qemu" here I come
Apr 01 19:31:43 * CosmoHill does a little dance
Apr 01 19:32:05 <mrec> meego is a stupid redhat release oh dear
Apr 01 19:32:31 <prenzo> I'm afraid nobody is going to get a gui yet: "The downloaded images will boot from a USB stick or directly flashed on the device from your Linux PC, but since the MeeGo User Experiences for the usage models mentioned previously are not yet included in today's MeeGo core, these images will boot into terminal.  "
Apr 01 19:33:18 <microlith> certainly
Apr 01 19:33:33 <microlith> the N900 version at least has X11 though...
Apr 01 19:35:40 <CosmoHill> on x86 how do I set the screen resolution from the boot menu?
Apr 01 19:38:13 <mrec> well if anyone wants to boot it http://www.sundtek.de/support/syslinux.tar.gz just replace the existing syslinux tree on the usb stick with that one and boot it up with qemu or virtualbox
Apr 01 19:38:33 <CosmoHill> what did you change in it
Apr 01 19:38:45 <mrec> the kernel
Apr 01 19:38:51 <mrec> 2.6.33 is shit
Apr 01 19:39:08 <mrec> they should at least use 2.6.31 or 2.6.34
Apr 01 19:39:09 <CosmoHill> what did you change in initrd0.img?
Apr 01 19:39:21 <mrec> it's using an ubuntu kernel with all the modules
Apr 01 19:39:32 <CosmoHill> I've changed the kernel and can get it to boot into bash only
Apr 01 19:39:53 <mrec> CosmoHill: 21:32 < prenzo> I'm afraid nobody is going to get a gui yet: "The downloaded  images will boot from a USB stick or directly flashed on the  device from your Linux PC, but since the MeeGo User Experiences  for the usage models mentioned previously are not yet included  in today's MeeGo core, these images will boot into terminal.
Apr 01 19:40:07 <CosmoHill> i know
Apr 01 19:40:14 <CosmoHill> i mean like init=/bin/bash
Apr 01 19:40:21 <mrec> ah
Apr 01 19:40:26 <CosmoHill> I have /bin and /sbin and bugger all else
Apr 01 19:40:37 <mrec> well I replaced the kernel ubuntu is well tested unlike the meego/redhat kernel
Apr 01 19:40:40 <CosmoHill> and I've been working on his for hours so I'm in a bad mood
Apr 01 19:40:56 <mrec> CosmoHill: continue with the ubuntu kernel ...
Apr 01 19:41:02 <CosmoHill> meh
Apr 01 19:41:03 <mrec> it's the kernel from ubuntu 9.10
Apr 01 19:41:11 <CosmoHill> I'm going to uninstall virtual box and it can go fuck itself
Apr 01 19:41:14 <mrec> they have all the modules compiled in so it's the best choice
Apr 01 19:41:35 <mrec> meego is a hype like all the other linux eeepcs before
Apr 01 19:41:55 <cyberkonsult> CosmoHill: I give up as well, mostly bq I cant get VB to log the output of the boot-process...
Apr 01 19:41:57 <mrec> Acer even shut down their acer aspire one netbook website for the netbook which I have
Apr 01 19:42:21 <CosmoHill> my laptop fans are going nuts with bugger all going on
Apr 01 19:43:44 <cyberkonsult> CosmoHill: Do you know how I can get the messages log from the VB-booting (screenshots doesn't work...)
Apr 01 19:44:09 <CosmoHill> nope
Apr 01 19:44:15 <CosmoHill> if the kernel panics that tends to be it
Apr 01 19:44:22 <CosmoHill> only way to log it is via a serial cable
Apr 01 19:44:27 <bfree> will vbox do a serial port?
Apr 01 19:44:40 <cyberkonsult> lol.. eh... not a bad idea.. lol
Apr 01 19:44:46 <prenzo> I see lots of people complaining all they get is a terminal
Apr 01 19:45:00 <CosmoHill> terminal is no problem
Apr 01 19:45:17 <cyberkonsult> terminal was fine... the login meego pw meego to easy to hack...
Apr 01 19:45:18 <CosmoHill> the fact that I've wasted half a day pissing about with things that simply just don't want to work annoyes me
Apr 01 19:45:37 <prenzo> what is next? have anyone tried any of the repositories? http://meego.gitorious.org/
Apr 01 19:45:37 <cyberkonsult> Get a Pint, I will
Apr 01 19:45:37 <mrec> http://sundtek.de/meego/index.txt meego with virtual machines
Apr 01 19:48:55 <cyberkonsult> mrec: Thanks! May try that modded image tomorrow in VirtualBox...
Apr 01 20:00:50 <prenzo> Going for a Pint too. Take care
Apr 01 20:21:19 <trumee> guys any idea if joggler can run meego?
Apr 01 20:22:41 <Stskeeps> trumee: GMA500 graphics causes a bit of problem but with a bit of xserver hackery, maybe
Apr 01 20:22:57 <Stskeeps> i just got elilo patches so i can get that part building 'freely' again
Apr 01 20:23:51 <trumee> Stskeeps:does joggler user GMA500? i have hunting for this info like crazy. no online review mentions the video chipset!
Apr 01 20:24:51 <javispedro> ah, youtube now follows the engadget rule of web development
Apr 01 20:24:56 <Stskeeps> trumee: OK, so, it has a EFI bios, it's 1.6ghz atom board with ~1 or 2 gb internal MMC, can boot from usb. There's some problems with updated kernel (sound noise) and GMA500 / Poulsbo chipset
Apr 01 20:25:02 <Stskeeps> you will need to use IEGD drivers
Apr 01 20:25:14 <trumee> i hope to run mythtv SD content on this. Any idea if that is possible?
Apr 01 20:25:29 <Stskeeps> i haven't tested video, personally
Apr 01 20:25:34 <Stskeeps> saw the ubuntu remix videos?
Apr 01 20:26:32 <trumee> Stskeeps: yes i did.
Apr 01 20:27:16 <Stskeeps> you will need to hack this device though to make it any remotely useful though
Apr 01 20:27:53 <trumee> Stskeeps: what do you mean?
Apr 01 20:28:17 <trumee> if i can install some linux distro on it. it should be all good.
Apr 01 20:28:38 <Stskeeps> as in you need to do considerable leg work yourself :P
Apr 01 20:28:48 <Stskeeps> but at 49 pound.. that is a steal
Apr 01 20:28:54 <Stskeeps> it is not a traditional bios, so :P
Apr 01 20:29:34 <RST38h> Stskeeps: depends on what Atom chip is being used
Apr 01 20:29:45 <RST38h> Stskeeps: on netbooks, there will be an actual BIOS
Apr 01 20:30:05 <Stskeeps> RST38h: no bios, it has efi only
Apr 01 20:30:20 <RST38h> EFI is pretty advanced as far as these chips go
Apr 01 20:30:54 <trumee> i dont mind working on it as long it is known that it will work at the end :)
Apr 01 20:32:45 <Stskeeps> i have elilo booting a linux kernel and we had gl acceleration with closed source, good enough? (booting from usb)
Apr 01 20:32:57 <Stskeeps> and some kernel sound issues (electric clicking, we may have a patch)
Apr 01 20:35:44 <trumee> Stskeeps: that sounds fantastic. gl accelaration will definitely be needed to run mythtv
Apr 01 20:36:06 <TSCHAKeee2> yeah, i really wouldn't care
Apr 01 20:36:13 <Stskeeps> ah, 1.33ghz
Apr 01 20:36:13 <TSCHAKeee2> just as long as GL worked
Apr 01 20:36:18 <Stskeeps> oh, and it's mono sound
Apr 01 20:36:27 <TSCHAKeee2> oh gee, that's a deal breaker :P
Apr 01 20:36:28 <trumee> Stskeeps: i guess any linux distro would be good.
Apr 01 20:36:29 <Stskeeps> it does have speaker output in back
Apr 01 20:36:31 <TSCHAKeee2> not :P
Apr 01 20:36:54 <TSCHAKeee2> i just want some moorestown hardware :(((
Apr 01 20:36:57 <Stskeeps> also, please remember it's connected strictly to DC :)
Apr 01 20:37:00 <Stskeeps> not a battery-able device
Apr 01 20:37:24 <TSCHAKeee2> I would be using it as a nightstand orbiter
Apr 01 20:37:49 <trumee> Stskeeps:not a fan of ubuntu. will probably like it as a dedicated mythtv client running twm or something.
Apr 01 20:38:15 <TSCHAKeee2> trumee: http://www.linuxmce.org/ :)
Apr 01 20:38:22 <TSCHAKeee2> ^^ -- the project i work on.
Apr 01 20:39:10 <Stskeeps> trumee: yeah, well, boot your own flavour :P
Apr 01 20:39:13 <trumee> TSCHAKeee2: can linuxmce connect to a mythtv backend
Apr 01 20:39:41 <TSCHAKeee2> trumee: yes, but you should use ours, migrate over the old data
Apr 01 20:39:54 <TSCHAKeee2> trumee: we are a highly advanced smart home platform.
Apr 01 20:40:14 <TSCHAKeee2> which can use either mythtv or vdr for TV functions.
Apr 01 20:40:21 <TSCHAKeee2> and do a lot of stuff mythTV could never dream of doing on its own
Apr 01 20:40:25 <TSCHAKeee2> :)
Apr 01 20:40:25 <trumee> TSCHAKeee2: uh, oh! that will be a problem. my backend run gentoo with mythtv 0.22
Apr 01 20:40:35 <TSCHAKeee2> big deal, the database is migrateable
Apr 01 20:40:38 <TSCHAKeee2> as is the data.
Apr 01 20:40:41 <TSCHAKeee2> :)
Apr 01 20:40:44 <TSCHAKeee2> but whatever
Apr 01 20:40:53 <TSCHAKeee2> we solve a lot of problems that a lot of people spend years duct taping stuff together
Apr 01 20:41:01 <TSCHAKeee2> :)
Apr 01 20:41:22 <trumee> TSCHAKeee2: what about the frontend. is there  touchscreen support for the frontend?
Apr 01 20:41:42 <TSCHAKeee2> trumee: we allow for the use on on-screen, and non-onscreen orbiters of various shapes and sizes
Apr 01 20:42:05 <TSCHAKeee2> trumee: ranging from using remotes pointed at screen, to dedicated touch screen displays running either on tablets or PDAs, as well as some cell phones.
Apr 01 20:42:42 <TSCHAKeee2> trumee: myself, i use a mix of WebDT 366 tablets, and a Nokia N900 that I carry around (I also have a Nokia N810 as backup)
Apr 01 20:42:45 <trumee> TSCHAKeee2: can i not install linuxmce in gentoo?  i dont want to get rid of gentoo since it serves other things as well. happy to get rid of mythtv base install and install linuxmce though.
Apr 01 20:42:48 <TSCHAKeee2> and my old Nokia N70 ran the symbian orbiter
Apr 01 20:42:55 <TSCHAKeee2> trumee: currently no
Apr 01 20:43:05 <TSCHAKeee2> trumee: our system is completely self contained, but can be extended.
Apr 01 20:43:13 <lbt> TSCHAKeee2: sounds interesting
Apr 01 20:43:27 <TSCHAKeee2> trumee: the system is intended to be used as an appliance.. set it up and forget about it
Apr 01 20:43:29 <lbt> TSCHAKeee2: all GPL?
Apr 01 20:43:34 <TSCHAKeee2> as it controls virtually all of the house
Apr 01 20:43:45 <Stskeeps> lbt: just sent you elilo diff for joggler
Apr 01 20:43:52 <TSCHAKeee2> lbt: it will be eventually. there are some pieces that are under a pluto public license which prohibits bundling of hardware and software for sale.
Apr 01 20:43:53 <lbt> \o/
Apr 01 20:43:57 <trumee> TSCHAKeee2: i have asterisk/freepbx running on that box (along with nfs server), will it be possible to install these on linuxmce?
Apr 01 20:44:03 <TSCHAKeee2> sigh
Apr 01 20:44:06 <TSCHAKeee2> dude
Apr 01 20:44:08 <TSCHAKeee2> you're not listening
Apr 01 20:44:12 <TSCHAKeee2> and you're being like a linux geek :)
Apr 01 20:44:14 <TSCHAKeee2> stop it
Apr 01 20:44:29 <TSCHAKeee2> trumee: we already provide a complete asterisk system, fully integrated into every single aspect of the house.
Apr 01 20:44:46 <TSCHAKeee2> trumee: this isn't some duct taped together media center
Apr 01 20:44:46 <trumee> TSCHAKeee2: hmm. need to look at it :)
Apr 01 20:44:53 <TSCHAKeee2> it is a smart home platform
Apr 01 20:44:56 <TSCHAKeee2> :)
Apr 01 20:45:25 <trumee> TSCHAKeee2: your N900 can play live TV from linuxmce backend?
Apr 01 20:45:48 <TSCHAKeee2> trumee: it has the power to, but we're not going to do that until we re-engineer the entire orbiter infrastructure
Apr 01 20:45:56 <TSCHAKeee2> trumee: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2176025602905109829&ei=4QW1S6OSE4idlAfQtIimBw&q=linuxmce+demo <-- watch that
Apr 01 20:46:12 <lbt> Stskeeps: £49 ?
Apr 01 20:46:13 <TSCHAKeee2> trumee: the system replaces your router, and gateway
Apr 01 20:46:20 <TSCHAKeee2> trumee: and becomes your central file server for the entire house
Apr 01 20:46:50 <Stskeeps> lbt: http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/646001/o2-joggler-49-99-now-with-free-app-
Apr 01 20:47:09 <Stskeeps> found 1 day 7 hours ago, so not april fools :P
Apr 01 20:48:03 <trumee> Stskeeps: i might go into an O2 shop to buy it tomorrow. any idea if it is available instore?
Apr 01 20:48:11 <Stskeeps> no clue.
Apr 01 20:48:14 <Stskeeps> i'm living in poland
Apr 01 20:48:21 <lbt> Stskeeps: what's the boot time on Joggler ? is it still the orig kernel?
Apr 01 20:48:41 <Stskeeps> lbt: i just got it booting straight to elilo (without keyboard)
Apr 01 20:49:06 <Stskeeps> lbt: i haven't gotten any meego material on there yet
Apr 01 20:49:37 <lbt> at £50 it becomes a remote control
Apr 01 20:49:53 <Stskeeps> yeah
Apr 01 20:50:06 <TSCHAKeee2> i could port the linuxmce orbiter to the joggler pretty easily.. my problem is, trying to get one here in the US...
Apr 01 20:50:32 <lbt> TSCHAKeee2: I'll ship you one :)
Apr 01 20:50:37 <lbt> seriously
Apr 01 20:50:45 <TSCHAKeee2> lbt: okay
Apr 01 20:51:10 <TSCHAKeee2> lbt: I am spending our next dev cycle to port LinuxMCE to run atop MeeGo
Apr 01 20:51:29 <TSCHAKeee2> so that we can shed a lot of the stuff we won't need anymore
Apr 01 20:51:32 <trem> nite all, sweet dreams
Apr 01 20:51:33 <TSCHAKeee2> and push more stuff upstream
Apr 01 20:51:49 <TSCHAKeee2> MeeGo is the PERFECT system stack for LinuxMCE
Apr 01 20:55:13 <lbt> TSCHAKeee2: PM
Apr 01 20:55:15 <trumee> TSCHAKeee2: saw the video,  this looks like powerfull stuff. can i have linuxmce frontend on my regular gentoo box, or do i need to wipe out the disk like the backend?
Apr 01 20:55:45 <trumee> TSCHAKeee2: i use my desktop as mythfrontend sometimes.
Apr 01 20:56:10 <TSCHAKeee2> trumee: well, we provide diskless boot for what we call "media directors"
Apr 01 20:56:24 <TSCHAKeee2> this is an intrinsic part of the system
Apr 01 20:56:37 <TSCHAKeee2> where it boots up into the LinuxMCE stack, with Orbiter as the environment.
Apr 01 20:56:51 <trumee> TSCHAKeee2: so i connect a regular mythtv frontend to talk to a linuxmce backend?
Apr 01 20:57:02 <TSCHAKeee2> dude
Apr 01 20:57:04 <trumee>  /s/connect/cannot connect/
Apr 01 20:57:06 <TSCHAKeee2> you are thinking WAY TOO HARD
Apr 01 20:57:09 <TSCHAKeee2> stop it
Apr 01 20:57:11 <TSCHAKeee2> :P :)
Apr 01 20:57:16 <TSCHAKeee2> you can
Apr 01 20:57:37 <TSCHAKeee2> but our system takes care of everything so you wouldn't HAVE to duct tape things like that
Apr 01 20:57:49 <trumee> ah! that is good. cant imagine wiping all my PC's to install linuxmce!
Apr 01 21:01:11 <TSCHAKeee2> trumee: again, the core provides a diskless environment
Apr 01 21:01:27 <TSCHAKeee2> trumee: the system is designed to be used by small diskless pc's that you mount to a TV.
Apr 01 21:02:18 <TSCHAKeee2> when I do the systems research work to MeeGo, this will become a lot cleaner....
Apr 01 21:03:13 <lbt> anyone else want a Joggler ?
Apr 01 21:03:43 * lcuk has one
Apr 01 21:03:52 <lbt> TSCHAKeee2: heh - it is a lot like my duct-taped systems...
Apr 01 21:04:05 <lbt> diskless booting in lounge/bedroom
Apr 01 21:04:13 <TSCHAKeee2> ;)
Apr 01 21:04:23 <lcuk> lbt i got an allinone
Apr 01 21:04:24 <TSCHAKeee2> the system's scope is very large
Apr 01 21:04:36 <lcuk> 20inch multitouch
Apr 01 21:04:53 <lbt> TSCHAKeee2: I want a Joggler in the car - with wifi connection back to the house when the car gets home
Apr 01 21:04:57 <TSCHAKeee2> lbt: if you look at the screenies on the main linuxmce site, you can see the orbiter running on a nokia N810
Apr 01 21:05:08 <TSCHAKeee2> lbt: in car systems is on my list of stuff to implement
Apr 01 21:05:25 <lbt> TSCHAKeee2: I think the GPL side of it was all that kept me away in the past
Apr 01 21:05:26 <Jaffa> lbt: any use? apart from cheapness?
Apr 01 21:05:27 <TSCHAKeee2> lbt: I wanted one of Intel's IVI systems
Apr 01 21:05:36 <lbt> yeah
Apr 01 21:05:41 <TSCHAKeee2> i forget the name of the..chipset...
Apr 01 21:05:46 <TSCHAKeee2> but I can't find any of it
Apr 01 21:05:53 <TSCHAKeee2> moblin targeted all these "systems"
Apr 01 21:05:55 <lbt> plus the pain of migrating from a working setup!
Apr 01 21:06:01 <TSCHAKeee2> but I could NEVER find any REAL WORKING HARDWARE!
Apr 01 21:06:05 <lbt> Jaffa: yes - excellent remote control
Apr 01 21:06:25 <TSCHAKeee2> i mean
Apr 01 21:06:33 <lbt> Jaffa: we need GPL hardware home-automation systems now
Apr 01 21:06:37 <TSCHAKeee2> where are the moorestown sample reference designs?
Apr 01 21:06:54 <TSCHAKeee2> lbt: home automation is one aspect of our system.
Apr 01 21:07:16 <TSCHAKeee2> it's all tied together with a static messaging buss.
Apr 01 21:07:35 <Jaffa> lbt: how much are they now? what's the screen res?
Apr 01 21:07:42 * lcuk wraps TSCHAKeee2 in an anti-static bag
Apr 01 21:07:56 <lbt> Jaffa: http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/646001/o2-joggler-49-99-now-with-free-app-
Apr 01 21:08:07 <lbt> Jaffa: they're *nice*
Apr 01 21:08:23 <lbt> very stylish/solid... chrome backstand
Apr 01 21:08:35 <trumee> lbt:what do you mean by excellent remote control?
Apr 01 21:08:53 <lbt> well, you need to write the software first...
Apr 01 21:09:26 <TSCHAKeee2> (which we already have *whistles*) ;)
Apr 01 21:09:27 * lcuk has a remote control
Apr 01 21:09:55 <Jaffa> lbt: I'll get one tomorrow :)
Apr 01 21:10:05 <Jaffa> lbt: how did Mer go on them?
Apr 01 21:10:06 <trumee> lbt: it will be a waste to use this device for a remote control. It will be cool however to mount it in the kitchen as a mythtv frontend for watching tv.
Apr 01 21:10:08 <lbt> Jaffa: you won't regret it
Apr 01 21:10:20 <trumee> Jaffa: that is my plan too :)
Apr 01 21:10:23 <Jaffa> lbt: or any "more open Linux"
Apr 01 21:10:26 <lcuk> lbt, i have problems everytime i disconnect
Apr 01 21:10:26 <lbt> trumee: and in the kitchen it will run shopper
Apr 01 21:10:36 <lcuk> it doesnt remember net settings or time
Apr 01 21:10:58 <TSCHAKeee2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNaWUM4bX3I <-- LinuxMCE Telephone System Demonstration using a WebDT 366 as an orbiter pad.
Apr 01 21:11:12 <lbt> lcuk you don't run an ntp server in house though do you
Apr 01 21:11:39 <lcuk> nope, and my net settings require config
Apr 01 21:12:14 <Stskeeps> lcuk: ended up getting the joggler or not, i forget?
Apr 01 21:12:21 <lcuk> yes
Apr 01 21:12:43 <Stskeeps> k
Apr 01 21:13:31 <Jaffa> does it have a battery?
Apr 01 21:13:35 <trumee> lcuk: what do u mean it doesnt remember net settings?
Apr 01 21:13:35 <lbt> no
Apr 01 21:14:08 <lcuk> the kids compain it loses settings every other day
Apr 01 21:14:19 <lbt> and it uses the intel proprietaty GL drivers - so that will probably stop working at some point
Apr 01 21:14:20 <lcuk> or they do when they remember its there
Apr 01 21:14:42 <lcuk> i need to find a tiny usb stick
Apr 01 21:14:48 <lcuk> so it wont get knocked out
Apr 01 21:14:51 <lbt> lcuk: what OS is it running?
Apr 01 21:14:52 <lcuk> :) then put mer on it
Apr 01 21:14:56 <lcuk> still original
Apr 01 21:15:01 <trumee> lcuk: you mean O2's stock install, dont you?
Apr 01 21:15:11 <lbt> when you burn an image you can hardcode all the settings
Apr 01 21:15:11 <lcuk> yes
Apr 01 21:15:19 <trumee> lcuk: ah! first thing i will do is wipe out O2 from it :)
Apr 01 21:15:20 <lbt> and a script to get time from ntp
Apr 01 21:15:38 <lcuk> trumee, :) the first thing i do when i buy something is use it as intended
Apr 01 21:16:17 <lcuk> if pre installed mer usb sticks (with nice stickers on) were available to plug and play, it changes the game somewhat
Apr 01 21:16:30 <lbt> lcuk: coming soon
Apr 01 21:16:49 <lcuk> :) having it on usb also allows settings to be stored
Apr 01 21:16:51 <lbt> actually this is what I think Mer2 will be
Apr 01 21:16:56 <lbt> or Mer3 now
Apr 01 21:17:06 * lcuk cannot fault the hardware
Apr 01 21:17:07 <trumee> lbt: can i install mythtv in mer?
Apr 01 21:17:17 <Stskeeps> no promises on mer2/3
Apr 01 21:17:24 <Stskeeps> meego, more likely
Apr 01 21:17:49 <lcuk> lbt let me know how much for a stick btw
Apr 01 21:18:30 <lcuk> how much of a ninja would a usb image need to be to open up a VMware image when inserted on windows
Apr 01 21:19:06 <lcuk> replace vmware with whatever imager thingy is in vogue
Apr 01 21:19:39 <Jaffa> lcuk: not that hard
Apr 01 21:19:56 <lcuk> cool
Apr 01 21:20:06 <lcuk> same could happen for meego i bet :)
Apr 01 21:39:29 <Jaffa> lbt: ordered :)
Apr 01 21:39:34 <lbt> heh
Apr 01 21:39:49 <lbt> do you use MythTV too?
Apr 01 21:39:59 <Jaffa> XBMC at the moment.
Apr 01 21:40:03 <Jaffa> Never got on with MythTV
Apr 01 21:40:13 * Jaffa re-Capricas now Mrs. Jaffa is off the phone
Apr 01 21:40:21 <Jaffa> This 49 quid could save having to buy an iPad ;-)
Apr 01 21:40:36 <lbt> I think you'll like it
Apr 01 21:40:41 <lbt> s/think/know/
Apr 01 21:40:42 <infobot> lbt meant: I know you'll like it
Apr 01 21:40:56 <TSCHAKeee2> oh now, THAT'S cute
Apr 01 21:40:59 <TSCHAKeee2> :P
Apr 01 21:41:28 <lbt> thanks infobot
Apr 01 21:41:28 <infobot> my pleasure, lbt
Apr 01 21:44:57 <trumee> Jaffa: i never tried xbmc, but mythtv serves all my needs.
Apr 01 21:45:22 <trumee> i hope we will have mythtv support on meego :)
Apr 01 21:45:32 <TSCHAKeee2> trumee: did you see this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNaWUM4bX3I
Apr 01 21:46:12 <trumee> TSCHAKeee2: yup i did. is that you in the video?
Apr 01 21:47:02 <trumee> TSCHAKeee2: good stuff.
Apr 01 21:47:09 <TSCHAKeee2> yes
Apr 01 21:48:57 <trumee> TSCHAKeee2: i have a perfectly running freepbx/asterisk with phones spread over two continents. i guess i will have to do a trial run on a spare harddisk of linuxmce before i wipe out my live system :)
Apr 01 21:50:10 <TSCHAKeee2> trumee: you will have trouble
Apr 01 21:50:18 <TSCHAKeee2> trumee: simply because you will have the urge to tweak with stuff
Apr 01 21:50:37 <TSCHAKeee2> we have very stringent hardware requirements for things that "just work"
Apr 01 21:50:56 <TSCHAKeee2>             but i can tell you
Apr 01 21:50:56 <mrec> that youtube video is funny
Apr 01 21:51:09 <TSCHAKeee2> that every single part of the system works as advertised.
Apr 01 21:51:35 <mrec> "how's the audio quality" .. "the quality is pretty good" (as the one who was called learned what he had to say .. and for real it sounds like underwatersound)
Apr 01 21:52:02 <TSCHAKeee2> if you'd like
Apr 01 21:52:06 <TSCHAKeee2> i can call you
Apr 01 21:52:08 <TSCHAKeee2> :)
Apr 01 21:52:25 <TSCHAKeee2> i mean if you REALLY want to be a smartass about it
Apr 01 21:52:29 <TSCHAKeee2> i can call you out on it :)
Apr 01 21:52:59 <mrec> skype works with 90% of all calls the other 10% tell me that the call sounds like a robot
Apr 01 21:53:27 <mrec> I'm skeptic about VoIP in the field because of my experience...
Apr 01 21:53:39 <lbt> TSCHAKeee2: which version of asterisk ?
Apr 01 21:54:51 <mrec> speed dial ... I use my mobile phone or simply something small like skype and not such a big device
Apr 01 21:55:26 <mrec> even though it's interesting from the technical point of course
Apr 01 21:56:29 <TSCHAKeee2> mrec: currently the same as shipped with ubuntu 8.10 .. 1.4.21 with security patches folded in
Apr 01 21:57:08 <TSCHAKeee2> and you're missing the point
Apr 01 21:57:11 <TSCHAKeee2> but that's okay
Apr 01 21:57:18 <TSCHAKeee2> Orbiter runs on a wide variety of devices
Apr 01 21:57:31 <TSCHAKeee2> the tablet is just a distributed display
Apr 01 21:57:32 <mrec> but then the gui is too big isn't it?
Apr 01 21:57:45 <TSCHAKeee2> sigh
Apr 01 21:57:52 * TSCHAKeee2 goes to bang his head against the wall
Apr 01 21:58:01 <mrec> well I'm not the market :) but I'm curious to see this out there
Apr 01 21:58:12 <postmanPechkin> me too
Apr 01 21:58:19 <trumee> anybody can tell me if it is possible to install mythtv on mer (joggler)? can i compile mythtv on my desktop and install the binaries on joggler?
Apr 01 21:58:30 <mrec> I want my tv devices (ATSC/ISDB-T/DVB-T/DVB-C/analogTV/FM Radio/...) work with those devices
Apr 01 21:59:23 <TSCHAKeee2> Orbiter is about to get a massive rewrite
Apr 01 21:59:34 <TSCHAKeee2> to use either GTK/Clutter or Qt, i am still doing tests to see which will work better
Apr 01 21:59:42 <mrec> Gtk is terrible
Apr 01 21:59:53 <mrec> loads of dependencies
Apr 01 22:00:02 <lbt> TSCHAKeee2: use Qt - no question
Apr 01 22:00:12 <trumee> TSCHAKeee2: i like Qt :)
Apr 01 22:00:19 <TSCHAKeee2> i love Clutter's canvas handling
Apr 01 22:00:23 <mrec> I wrote a gtk app it works with ubuntu systems but fails on redhat systems
Apr 01 22:00:32 <mrec> and this app is really easy
Apr 01 22:00:47 <lbt> doesn't matter - Meego will have huge Qt support, the docs are superior, the SW arch is great
Apr 01 22:00:50 <mrec> and you can't just tell every customer to reinstall this and that package
Apr 01 22:00:58 <trumee> so who is the expert on mer?
Apr 01 22:01:14 <mrec> so Gtk remains to be a failure when it comes to ready for the enduser..
Apr 01 22:01:17 <lbt> trumee: focus is on Meego, not mer now
Apr 01 22:01:30 <lbt> until we take stock and decide on Mer's future
Apr 01 22:02:07 <trumee> lbt: not a problem. but can i compile mythtv binaries on my x86 box for joggler (mer image)?
Apr 01 22:02:22 <lbt> yes
Apr 01 22:02:25 <trumee> lbt: mythtv depends on qt and ffmpeg.
Apr 01 22:02:53 <TSCHAKeee2> we'll definitely be experimenting with gstreamer transcoding
Apr 01 22:03:04 <lbt> so TSCHAKeee2... I can't find an easy answer about the asterisk version
Apr 01 22:03:20 <TSCHAKeee2> lbt: 1.4.21 with some additional patches for security fixes
Apr 01 22:03:24 <TSCHAKeee2> lbt: the same as ubuntu 8.10
Apr 01 22:03:45 <trumee> lbt: is there any doc which shows how i can get started?  i downloaded the mer-juggler-alpha_015.tar.gz image, do i chroot into it and start compiling?
Apr 01 22:04:07 <lbt> moving to 1.6? I have a CLI fix that's on the dahdi driver in 1.6
Apr 01 22:04:44 <TSCHAKeee2> lbt: in our next cycle, yeah.
Apr 01 22:04:55 <lbt> trumee: the fact that you're asking suggests that you'd be better off learning more about other things :)
Apr 01 22:04:59 <TSCHAKeee2> lbt: i will be using whatever meego has upstream
Apr 01 22:05:09 <TSCHAKeee2> lbt: I really want to push as much as I can OFF our plates and upstream
Apr 01 22:05:10 <lbt> meego won't have asterisk
Apr 01 22:05:39 <TSCHAKeee2> ok so we'll just grab the latest stable
Apr 01 22:05:40 <lbt> although... it's a good one for the RWG that we're looking at
Apr 01 22:05:42 <TSCHAKeee2> and package that
Apr 01 22:05:55 <TSCHAKeee2> no big deal
Apr 01 22:05:56 <milliams> Doesn;t mean that it won't be provided in some sort ofcomminuty repo.
Apr 01 22:06:04 <lbt> Jaffa: MCE as the RWG example?   "Here Intel. maintain this."
Apr 01 22:06:22 <lbt> trumee: I suggest you learn rpm packaging and OBS building
Apr 01 22:06:44 <lbt> milliams: http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_a_Repository_working_group
Apr 01 22:07:05 <Jaffa> lbt: heh, mean ;-)
Apr 01 22:07:16 <lbt> that's what they said...
Apr 01 22:07:29 <lbt> here's asterisk <clunk>
Apr 01 22:07:34 <lbt> here's MythTV <slam>
Apr 01 22:07:49 <lbt> here's lirc <tink>
Apr 01 22:07:53 <trumee> lbt: i dont want to package it. i will simply compile and install in /usr/local and copy the files over to joggler
Apr 01 22:08:07 * TSCHAKeee2 thwaps trumee on the noggin
Apr 01 22:08:09 <lbt> good luck then... :)
Apr 01 22:08:11 <TSCHAKeee2> :P
Apr 01 22:09:15 <trumee> lbt: ok, am i missing something? happy to learn rpm packaging if it required.
Apr 01 22:10:18 <trumee> lbt: cant i simply compile from source and install it directly?
Apr 01 22:10:50 <lbt> what's the phrase... oh yeah .... "let me know how that works out for you"
Apr 01 22:11:40 <lbt> trumee: Can you do that for a normal desktop distro?
Apr 01 22:11:54 <trumee> lbt: yes, why not?
Apr 01 22:12:11 <trumee> lbt: i install mythtv from source for my own box.
Apr 01 22:12:19 <lbt> OK
Apr 01 22:12:27 <lbt> what have you compiled for the Joggler?
Apr 01 22:12:39 <TSCHAKeee2> trumee: embedded environments have quite a few more land mines
Apr 01 22:13:02 <trumee> lbt: nothing, i have no clue about Mer or joggler. that is the reason i am asking these questions.
Apr 01 22:13:09 <TSCHAKeee2> trumee: filesystem space is a challenge.
Apr 01 22:13:24 <lbt> and you thought MythTV would be a gentle intro?
Apr 01 22:13:46 <lbt> and you picked an incomplete distro
Apr 01 22:13:52 <trumee> TSCHAKeee2: yes, but joggler has usb port. i will use a fat usb stick with it.
Apr 01 22:13:55 <lbt> and the least supported hardware
Apr 01 22:14:09 <lbt> and thought "hmm. how hard can it be?"
Apr 01 22:14:10 <TSCHAKeee2> and yes
Apr 01 22:14:16 <TSCHAKeee2> the GMA500 is an absolute land mine
Apr 01 22:14:25 <TSCHAKeee2> you will lose your sanity
Apr 01 22:14:28 <TSCHAKeee2> at least once
Apr 01 22:14:30 <TSCHAKeee2> :)
Apr 01 22:14:49 <lbt> now, if you want to learn productive things
Apr 01 22:14:55 <lbt> and get there quicker in the end
Apr 01 22:15:05 <TSCHAKeee2> i tried to create a media director image for the FitPC2 and damn near killed myself
Apr 01 22:15:39 <TSCHAKeee2> (and I _have_ built linux operating environments for embedded use from scratch)
Apr 01 22:16:04 <trumee> lbt: yes?
Apr 01 22:16:15 <lbt> start learning about Meego
Apr 01 22:16:46 <lbt> learning the foundations first will see you achieve a more sustainable result quicker
Apr 01 22:16:54 <lbt> and you'll contribute back to the community
Apr 01 22:16:56 <TSCHAKeee2> yup, you are in here at an opportune time
Apr 01 22:17:01 <TSCHAKeee2> to see a distribution
Apr 01 22:17:04 <TSCHAKeee2> built from the bottom up
Apr 01 22:17:08 <lbt> instead of wasting time on a dead version of Mer
Apr 01 22:17:21 <lbt> (says the Mer build guy)
Apr 01 22:17:52 <TSCHAKeee2> ahhhh okay
Apr 01 22:18:38 <trumee> lbt: fair enough. my intentions are to ultimately use mythfrontend on small devices like N900 and joggler.
Apr 01 22:18:48 <lbt> me too
Apr 01 22:19:02 <TSCHAKeee2> ultimately, LinuxMCE will completely dispense with Mythfrontend
Apr 01 22:19:03 <lbt> although I may use them as remote controls to a full-screen f/e
Apr 01 22:19:06 <TSCHAKeee2> replaced with an orbiter UI
Apr 01 22:19:19 <lbt> TSCHAKeee2: how does that control Myth ?
Apr 01 22:19:45 <TSCHAKeee2> basically? i will be making a null skin, initially
Apr 01 22:20:00 <TSCHAKeee2> all of the data that the frontend would normally display, would be sent to Orbiter instead.
Apr 01 22:20:25 <TSCHAKeee2> i'll also investigate grafting on a network control port to the main mythtv binary, instead of mythfrontend
Apr 01 22:20:38 <TSCHAKeee2> we currently control mythfontend using the rarely used network control port
Apr 01 22:20:46 <lbt> I see the f/e needs to advertise what 'controls' are available at any time
Apr 01 22:21:43 <TSCHAKeee2> the NCP does this
Apr 01 22:21:46 <lbt> and it would be nice for different elements on the screen to provide 'control interfaces'
Apr 01 22:21:46 <TSCHAKeee2> but keep in mind
Apr 01 22:21:53 <TSCHAKeee2> we only use mythgfrontend for the TV parts
Apr 01 22:21:59 <TSCHAKeee2> we do not use any other mythtv plugins or anything else
Apr 01 22:22:46 <lbt> TV & scheduling
Apr 01 22:23:05 <TSCHAKeee2> i already did work to push the scheduling to orbiter
Apr 01 22:23:12 <TSCHAKeee2> but it will be rewritten for the orbiter rewrite
Apr 01 22:23:27 <TSCHAKeee2> so really, mythTV is only used for the bare actual TV part in the end
Apr 01 22:24:09 <TSCHAKeee2> the reason is,
Apr 01 22:24:18 <TSCHAKeee2> that with LinuxMCE the orbiter is a distributed and synchronized UI
Apr 01 22:24:22 <TSCHAKeee2> if I use the TV in a room
Apr 01 22:24:29 <TSCHAKeee2> then ALL of the orbiters in that room SWITCH to the TV remote
Apr 01 22:25:25 <TSCHAKeee2> or when a movie is selected, or audio, or when a phone call comes in etc
Apr 01 22:25:35 <lbt> so why does scheduling go to the orbiter? it's not UI
Apr 01 22:25:44 <lbt> scheduling is b/e
Apr 01 22:25:56 <TSCHAKeee2> oh, the orbiter sends commands to the mythtv plugin
Apr 01 22:25:59 <TSCHAKeee2> on the core
Apr 01 22:26:01 <TSCHAKeee2> which alters the backend
Apr 01 22:27:40 <TSCHAKeee2> part of what i will be doing next dev cycle
Apr 01 22:27:52 <TSCHAKeee2> is abstracting out all the orbiter's functions to a cleaner and simpler RPC
Apr 01 22:28:00 <TSCHAKeee2> so that the whole DCE stack isn't needed to make a new orbiter for a different device
Apr 01 22:28:23 <arjan> ARGH
Apr 01 22:28:28 * arjan hates the bugzilla
Apr 01 22:28:38 <lbt> and we've not even started yet arjan :)
Apr 01 22:28:59 <TSCHAKeee2> lbt: the ultimate goal with LinuxMCE is to provide control of every single thing inside a house, from any terminal like display device, inside or outside the house
Apr 01 22:29:01 <lbt> well, I think MeeGo and LinuxMCE have a future TSCHAKeee2
Apr 01 22:29:15 <TSCHAKeee2> lbt: we do
Apr 01 22:29:20 <TSCHAKeee2> lbt: I am trying to convince the rest of my team that
Apr 01 22:29:25 <TSCHAKeee2> lbt: they want to stick with ubuntu
Apr 01 22:29:28 <TSCHAKeee2> god only knows why
Apr 01 22:29:32 * TSCHAKeee2 drops head
Apr 01 22:29:42 <TSCHAKeee2> everything in this stack is aligned for precisely what our use cases need
Apr 01 22:29:43 <lbt> well, meego is pretty immature at the moment
Apr 01 22:29:48 <TSCHAKeee2> I know it is
Apr 01 22:29:51 <TSCHAKeee2> BUT
Apr 01 22:29:53 <TSCHAKeee2> dude
Apr 01 22:29:56 <lbt> but I think strategically it is correct
Apr 01 22:29:57 <TSCHAKeee2> I was one of the first 100 people or so to build a working linux system
Apr 01 22:30:08 <TSCHAKeee2> I see this as being on the ground floor
Apr 01 22:30:57 <TSCHAKeee2> i know PRECISELY what the state of the stack is now
Apr 01 22:31:02 <lbt> well, the TSG assure us that Meego has all the packages we'd ever need... isn't that right arjan?
Apr 01 22:31:05 <TSCHAKeee2> and I know where the goals are going
Apr 01 22:32:56 <arjan> lbt: I'm not in the TSG
Apr 01 22:33:22 <arjan> if the goals of meego align with your goals, it might be a good match
Apr 01 22:33:26 <lbt> I know but you can tell them they can support Asterisk and MythTV
Apr 01 22:33:46 <arjan> but keep in mind that if the goals don't align, that even if todays code might work, there's no guarantee that that stays the case
Apr 01 22:34:08 <TSCHAKeee2> our goal is very simple
Apr 01 22:34:12 <TSCHAKeee2> the more stuff we can pass off upstream
Apr 01 22:34:15 <TSCHAKeee2> the better
Apr 01 22:34:20 <arjan> meego is explicitly not being an OS that works for all possible usecases, but is selective for a small set of cases and optimizes strongly for those
Apr 01 22:34:22 <TSCHAKeee2> we have over a million lines of our OWN CODE
Apr 01 22:34:25 <TSCHAKeee2> to deal with
Apr 01 22:34:34 <TSCHAKeee2> yes, the embedded appliance market
Apr 01 22:34:37 <TSCHAKeee2> which is exactly what we are
Apr 01 22:36:20 <lbt> OK, bed now... TSCHAKeee2 - catch you around here more I hope..... 'night all
Apr 01 22:36:37 <TSCHAKeee2>  i will be
Apr 01 22:36:39 <TSCHAKeee2> later lbt :)
Apr 01 22:45:09 <alden> TSCHAKeee2: im wondering if the Rolling Back source base article on the linuxmce.org website an april fools joke?
Apr 01 22:46:53 <alden> s/an/is an/
Apr 01 22:46:54 <infobot> alden meant: TSCHAKeee2: im wondering if the Rolling Back source base article on the linuxmce.org website is an april fools joke?
Apr 01 22:47:19 <alden> infobot: thanks :)
Apr 01 22:47:19 <infobot> alden: de rien
Apr 01 22:53:31 <trumee> is there a big difference in the code between a mainstream distro and an embedded distro like meego (leaving out drivers for hardware)?
Apr 01 22:55:27 <trumee> do standard gnu utils require patches too?
Apr 01 23:00:33 <alden> im getting a "this kernel requires the following features not present in the CPU: pae
Apr 01 23:00:54 <alden> when booting the netbook image in VirtualBox
Apr 01 23:03:24 <postmanPechkin> so even in VB i can't run OS on processor without pae
Apr 01 23:03:25 <postmanPechkin> ?
Apr 01 23:03:46 <alden> ah found an enable pae option in VB.. sorted
Apr 01 23:03:50 <postmanPechkin> even if it is moblin?
Apr 01 23:04:53 <postmanPechkin> alden: is it working?
Apr 01 23:04:59 <postmanPechkin> now?
Apr 01 23:05:18 <alden> no ive gotten past that point but stuck again
Apr 01 23:06:08 <alden> kernel_thread_helper+0x6/0x10 is the last thing it prints before freezing
Apr 01 23:14:51 <postmanPechkin> (-:
Apr 01 23:19:19 <alden> others have gotten to a root shell
Apr 01 23:23:26 <_Sky_> hi, are there any instructions yet how to run meebo with qemu ?
Apr 01 23:23:56 <_Sky_> *meego
Apr 02 00:05:09 <melik> _Sky_:
Apr 02 00:05:15 <melik> does meego have a GUI yet
Apr 02 00:18:30 <_Sky_> i think not, there is a X-server but i don't if it works, actually i'm trying to run meego on my x86 with qemu with no success so far
Apr 02 00:22:07 <mrec> _Sky_: http://www.sundtek.de/meego/index.txt
Apr 02 00:23:33 <_Sky_> ok looks good, i will try that
Apr 02 00:23:37 <_Sky_> thx
Apr 02 00:25:44 <mrec> even though there's no Gui so it's absolutly not interesting
Apr 02 00:27:41 <_Sky_> we are geeks, we need no gui :D
Apr 02 00:27:52 <mrec> well but I don't need a stupid redhat either
Apr 02 00:28:33 <_Sky_> yeah, i'm also not very excited about that
Apr 02 00:28:48 <mrec> debian/ubuntu are very likely the only enduserfriendly systems (my opinion)
Apr 02 00:28:57 * _Sky_ uses archlinux
Apr 02 00:29:18 <milliams> redhat has nothing to do with MeeGo
Apr 02 00:29:40 <tripzero> at least not directly ;)
Apr 02 00:29:50 <_Sky_> it uses rpm and yum
Apr 02 00:30:02 <mrec> there's yum on it ..
Apr 02 00:30:12 <mrec> and yum is shit
Apr 02 00:33:07 <mrec> this very much reminds me about the linux netbook hype
Apr 02 00:33:28 <mrec> acer put it onto their acer one netbooks, there were likely no new applications coming up for it
Apr 02 00:33:33 <mrec> and finally they even removed the website about it
Apr 02 00:33:47 <_Sky_> i like pacman from archlinux very much, its simple and easy and u got a very nice overview when searching something and a lot of short parameters for searching packages/file owners and so on
Apr 02 00:33:58 <mrec> pretty much everything is better than yum
Apr 02 00:34:35 <mrec> yum is like: sleep 10; do something for 1 second; sleep 20; if [user is not pissed yet] sleep 30;
Apr 02 00:34:44 <_Sky_> :D
Apr 02 00:35:01 <mrec> and of course uninterruptible or hard to interrupt
Apr 02 00:35:09 <_Sky_> i heared it should do better in new versions but didn't test it yet
Apr 02 00:36:15 <mrec> too less people are maintaining it
Apr 02 00:36:32 <mrec> this very likely won't change with the next few years
Apr 02 00:41:28 <_Sky_> nice, now i got a shell, whats the root pw :D ?
Apr 02 00:43:13 <koupsaa> _Sky_ , on meego ?
Apr 02 00:43:15 <_Sky_> ok its meego, i should have known that
Apr 02 00:43:27 <_Sky_> yes, thanks :) i just tried it out
Apr 02 00:44:19 <_Sky_> lol, yum --help takes about 5 sec :D
Apr 02 00:45:48 <mrec> maybe the [user is not pissed yet] detector doesn't work properly in the VM
Apr 02 00:45:59 <mrec> it should take longer :)
Apr 02 00:46:24 <_Sky_> ;)
Apr 02 00:50:05 <_Sky_> after starting "X" i get a buggy screen and it crashes ;)
Apr 02 00:50:16 <mrec> vm issues maybe
Apr 02 00:50:33 <mrec> just replace the entire system with ubuntu and put the gui onto it when it comes out
Apr 02 00:51:00 <_Sky_> no, the crash is more a freezing , i guess its the x-server
Apr 02 00:51:16 <mrec> ya
Apr 02 00:52:16 <mrec> it seems they hired a student for one day to cobble together the redhat system in a day
Apr 02 00:52:24 <mrec> afterwards putting it big onto the news
Apr 02 00:53:01 <mrec> for a first release a little bit more than a basic console system should be there
Apr 02 00:53:04 <_Sky_> wrote a small script which starts the X-server and kills it after 10sec, it works, now i can make further tests with the x configuration
Apr 02 00:53:46 <_Sky_> :D maybe, i hope its not true ^^
Apr 02 00:58:08 <_Sky_> just ran an yum upgrad, 130mb , seems that they are very active or maybe the first release has very outdated packages
Apr 02 00:59:44 <_Sky_> i see, yum is a lot better than the last time i used it :) the search is much better now and its a bit faster
Apr 02 01:04:14 <mrec> where did you pick the packages?
Apr 02 01:04:19 <mrec> from redhat or from somehwere else?
Apr 02 01:04:31 <mrec> maybe they just put some old redhat packages onto it
Apr 02 01:08:29 <_Sky_> i think it was a meego source, but now the usb image is full xD
Apr 02 01:08:47 <_Sky_> i could resize it but i guess i will install it this time ;)
Apr 02 01:08:55 <mrec> when you are booting up the image... it's using the RAM
Apr 02 01:09:11 <_Sky_> are you shure ?
Apr 02 01:09:14 <_Sky_> *sure
Apr 02 01:09:30 <mrec> yes because I modified the ubuntu initrd to work with it
Apr 02 01:14:26 <_Sky_> hmm the install option of the bootloader doesn't work
Apr 02 01:17:16 <_Sky_> maybe there is an install script somewhere
Apr 02 01:26:27 <_Sky_> looks like there are some old scripts here, like moblin-live in init.d
Apr 02 01:27:17 <johnx> did that issue get sorted out regarding the chrootable tar.gz for the N900? (It was corrupted yesterday)
Apr 02 01:31:26 <johnx> yup. seems to be fixed
Apr 02 01:33:49 <johnx> errr. scratch that. Has anyone successfully untarred: meego-codedrop-arm-n900-201003311626.tar.gz ?
Apr 02 01:34:25 <johnx> and if you have, could you tell me your the md5sum of your copy?
Apr 02 01:34:37 <mrec> it works here
Apr 02 01:34:41 <johnx> my non-working copy is: 7ee95f455332369a64548eacdb837820
Apr 02 01:34:49 <mrec> same here
Apr 02 01:35:03 <johnx> alright. I'll dig deeper on this side...
Apr 02 01:35:11 <lcuk> johnx, b-man17 was having similar issues earlire
Apr 02 01:35:19 <johnx> lcuk, thanks
Apr 02 01:35:24 <johnx> I bet I know what it is then
Apr 02 01:35:30 <lcuk> tho he appeared to cure it with gnutar
Apr 02 01:35:40 <johnx> yup
Apr 02 01:35:42 <lcuk> was doing it on his device
Apr 02 01:35:58 <johnx> I was too. and I double checked with a mac os x machine
Apr 02 01:36:06 <johnx> which would have BSD tar :)
Apr 02 01:36:30 <johnx> huh...actually the mac does have GNU tar
Apr 02 01:36:41 <lcuk> odd to see compression glitches - things have been quite stable for many years now
Apr 02 01:36:44 * johnx is confused, but will unpack on a linux desktop to be sure
Apr 02 01:37:04 <lcuk> worth a try
Apr 02 01:37:09 <johnx> It's probably something about the way tar represents special files
Apr 02 01:37:20 <lcuk> prolly
Apr 02 01:37:23 <lcuk> how are you then john
Apr 02 01:37:30 <johnx> pretty good
Apr 02 01:37:37 <johnx> work keeps me pretty busy
Apr 02 01:37:39 <lcuk> doing anything over easter
Apr 02 01:37:49 * lcuk also knows busy
Apr 02 01:37:51 <johnx> yup. gonna hang out with the in-laws
Apr 02 01:38:00 <johnx> actually quite looking forward to it :)
Apr 02 01:38:18 <lcuk> you flying east then? or are they coming over to stay with you?
Apr 02 01:38:41 <johnx> my in-laws are ~40 minutes north by car
Apr 02 01:38:59 <johnx> We'll probably just drop by for dinner
Apr 02 01:40:50 * lcuk apologises then
Apr 02 01:41:03 <lcuk> thats an easy enough trip :D
Apr 02 01:41:51 <lcuk> i best go and tend to tracy, shes a bit worse for wear
Apr 02 01:42:31 <johnx> bummer. tell her the internet gives her best wishes
Apr 02 01:47:18 <ferringb> http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_cfa80e33ee5fa6f854120ddfb9b468b3.xml
Apr 02 01:47:46 <ferringb> pardon, misspaste (laptop in the lap, damnable buttons at the base of the keyboard ;)
Apr 02 01:58:10 <_Sky_> johnx the tar file extracts fine for me except of some mknod errors, GNU tar 1.23, gzip 1.4, extracted with: "tar xvzf file"
Apr 02 01:59:13 <_Sky_> oh he left 3min ago :(
Apr 02 02:08:05 <JPerlow> greetings... I'm trying to convert the USB image to an ISO file for booting in virtualbox but I'm not having much success.
Apr 02 02:10:39 <JPerlow> crickets...
Apr 02 02:12:37 <ferringb> JPerlow: .vdi file by chance, or
Apr 02 02:13:11 <ferringb> JPerlow: backlog has the following- 06:21 < slaine> VBoxManage convertdd <path/to/.usbimg> <path/to/.vdi>
Apr 02 02:13:11 <JPerlow> well, I have the USB image file. But I cant virtually mount it in windows, or just rename it to .iso
Apr 02 02:13:47 <JPerlow> I see you can dd it to a usb key
Apr 02 02:13:57 <ferringb> yes, cd also.
Apr 02 02:13:58 <JPerlow> which would be fine, except for the fact all my linuxes are virtual
Apr 02 02:14:09 <JPerlow> you can dd it to an iso?
Apr 02 02:14:33 <ferringb> should be able to from what I know, yes.  haven't tried it however, but should work assuming I'm not blatantly incompetent ;)
Apr 02 02:14:48 <JPerlow> I thought dd just did a bit by bit dump
Apr 02 02:14:54 <JPerlow> to a block device
Apr 02 02:15:06 <JPerlow> doesnt convert filesystems
Apr 02 02:15:20 <JPerlow> ISO 9660 isnt what the USB image uses natively, is it?
Apr 02 02:17:09 <ferringb> JPerlow: it does, pardon, didn't read the question closely.  two things you can do; 1) burn actual cd, probably pointless for you, 2) check into the convertdd from VBoxManage, worst case running it w/in one of the VM instances.
Apr 02 02:17:27 <JPerlow> convertdd?
Apr 02 02:17:29 <JPerlow> interesting.
Apr 02 02:17:51 <ferringb> VBoxManage aparently.  whatever that is (I neither use virtualbox, nor virtualbox on windows ;)
Apr 02 02:20:09 <JPerlow> I'd burn an actual CD, but when I try all my burning programs it doesnt recognize the image file as one containing a valid filesystem.
Apr 02 02:23:13 <JPerlow> i may be in luck
Apr 02 02:23:25 <JPerlow> VBoxmanage appears to be doing SOMETHING
Apr 02 02:24:41 <JPerlow> and we have GRUB
Apr 02 02:24:45 <JPerlow> :)
Apr 02 02:25:09 <JPerlow> that was annoying, someone needs to put that up on the download site in native vdi
Apr 02 02:25:11 <JPerlow> or ISO
Apr 02 02:26:15 <JPerlow> shit black screen at boot
Apr 02 02:28:17 <_Sky_> i got it to work in qemu but with kernel errors, i got it working after i replaced the syslinux: http://www.sundtek.de/meego/index.txt
Apr 02 02:28:26 <JPerlow> ugh
Apr 02 02:28:41 <_Sky_> with the new syslinux the kernel errors went away
Apr 02 02:28:52 <JPerlow> this feels like slackware from 15 years ago
Apr 02 02:30:11 <_Sky_> running it with qemu is easy then, just do a: qemu imagefile
Apr 02 02:30:21 <JPerlow> wait I got a little bit further
Apr 02 02:30:28 <JPerlow> now it gives me a PAE not present error
Apr 02 02:30:29 <JPerlow> lol
Apr 02 02:31:15 <JPerlow> turn it back on, back to black screen
Apr 02 02:31:33 <JPerlow> I wonder if it has actually booted but cant represent the graphics chip
Apr 02 02:32:08 <_Sky_> ok, ill try to convert my modified image into a vbox image
Apr 02 02:32:10 <JPerlow> the first moblin beta worked fine
Apr 02 02:32:25 <JPerlow> the resolution was whacked, but it booted into the environment
Apr 02 02:33:00 <JPerlow> yeah FYI, I'm a journalist, I want to do a video tour of it with a screen cast
Apr 02 02:33:02 <JPerlow> like this one:L
Apr 02 02:33:23 <JPerlow> http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=12443
Apr 02 02:34:52 <_Sky_> i guess i have to use VBoxManage convertfromraw
Apr 02 02:35:13 <JPerlow> I did that
Apr 02 02:35:20 <JPerlow> and it gets to grub
Apr 02 02:35:29 <JPerlow> when I import it
Apr 02 02:35:32 <JPerlow> but it wont go farther
Apr 02 02:35:44 <_Sky_> yeah, but i have a modified syslinux, maybe it works here, in qemu it does
Apr 02 02:35:52 <JPerlow> ah
Apr 02 02:36:28 <JPerlow> what was up with qemu and kvm and syslinux
Apr 02 02:37:20 <_Sky_> it seems to woirk
Apr 02 02:37:21 <_Sky_> *work
Apr 02 02:37:30 <_Sky_> i'm at the login screen now
Apr 02 02:37:35 <JPerlow> cool
Apr 02 02:37:38 <_Sky_> much much faster than qemu :D
Apr 02 02:37:46 <JPerlow> yeah, virtualbox is sick
Apr 02 02:37:48 <_Sky_> wow :)
Apr 02 02:38:07 <JPerlow> its my vm package of choice now on win, mac and linux
Apr 02 02:38:34 <JPerlow> you can see from my ubuntu demo how fast it is
Apr 02 02:38:38 <_Sky_> i send the link here a few min ago, just do as described there and it should work
Apr 02 02:38:39 <JPerlow> boots ubuntu in 5 seconds
Apr 02 02:39:18 <_Sky_> my meego ist faster ;)
Apr 02 02:39:53 <JPerlow> crap that requires a 9.10 ubuntu
Apr 02 02:40:01 <JPerlow> I wonder if it works with 10.04 syslinux
Apr 02 02:40:02 <_Sky_> no, just a linux
Apr 02 02:40:26 <_Sky_> you only need to have wget installed, but you can also download the file with a browser
Apr 02 02:40:37 <JPerlow> ok I'll try it in my ubuntu vm
Apr 02 02:40:46 <_Sky_> i use archlinux, makes no difference
Apr 02 02:41:09 <JPerlow> yeah I had like 4 linux flavors on this box running at one point
Apr 02 02:41:18 <_Sky_> every linux should do where the kernel knows the filesystem of the usb image
Apr 02 02:41:45 <JPerlow> they should just plain update teh syslinux in the master build
Apr 02 02:42:00 <JPerlow> a ton of devs are gonna virtualize it
Apr 02 02:43:54 <_Sky_> I'm still shocked how fast virtualbox is compared to qemu, it was about 10times faster :D
Apr 02 02:44:03 <JPerlow> its an incredible peice of code
Apr 02 02:44:18 <JPerlow> were you using qemu with kvm or just qemu
Apr 02 02:44:23 <JPerlow> cause kvm is pretty fast
Apr 02 02:45:20 <JPerlow> how much ram did you assign your vm, 1024mb?
Apr 02 02:45:49 <_Sky_> no, that should be the problem, i just installed qemu and it added an udev rule to add a device but i didn't restart so i got an error about kvm device not found
Apr 02 02:46:28 <JPerlow> kvm hypervisor is very fast with linux VMs
Apr 02 02:46:34 <JPerlow> fairly decent with windows
Apr 02 02:46:46 <JPerlow> but virtualbox is really polished
Apr 02 02:46:49 <_Sky_> if you want to make updates and test with the image you should give it at least 512mb
Apr 02 02:47:08 <JPerlow> yeah i figured 1024 to emulate typical netbook
Apr 02 02:47:19 <JPerlow> 1 virtual cpu
Apr 02 02:47:37 <_Sky_> ok, half of the ram is used for the tmp filesystem and the other half is used for the root filesystem
Apr 02 02:47:45 <JPerlow> of course on virtualbox it uses the clock speed of your native machine
Apr 02 02:47:52 <JPerlow> so you cant pretend its an atom
Apr 02 02:47:55 <_Sky_> updating takes about 130mb , maybe more
Apr 02 02:48:01 <JPerlow> I have an 8 core opteron as a workstation
Apr 02 02:48:21 <_Sky_> :) nice
Apr 02 02:48:30 <JPerlow> its loud
Apr 02 02:48:34 <JPerlow> does the job
Apr 02 02:48:49 <JPerlow> drowns out my wife watching stupid tv shows upstairs
Apr 02 02:48:50 <_Sky_> mine is just a simple core 2 duo, but its ok :) fast enough for my purposes
Apr 02 02:49:10 <JPerlow> yeah my laptop is just a simple duo
Apr 02 02:49:13 <JPerlow> works fine
Apr 02 02:51:25 <_Sky_> hmm the X-server is still not working, it looks very strange and freezes, i  wrote a script which starts X and kills it again after 5sec, so that i can escape from it ;)
Apr 02 02:53:23 <_Sky_> maybe its because there is now xorg.conf, but modern xorg servers don't need it anymore as far as i know, but it looks like its detecting the wrong video card, vboxvideo, which is not available because i didn't install any vbox additions
Apr 02 02:53:59 <_Sky_> i try adding a simple video section with vesa
Apr 02 02:58:51 <_Sky_> no sucess, the error about the graphics module went away but xorg still is unusable
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