**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 04 02:59:58 2010 Apr 04 04:30:04 ->We are planning the project release of MeeGo version 1 in the second quarter of 2010. YES!!! Apr 04 04:32:07 Does anybody know about second mobile device that can operate meego? besides N900? Apr 04 04:35:06 I do know the current moorestown mobile device that is targeted is the AAVA Apr 04 07:34:58 Stskeeps: can I rename /ARM on the wiki to /Devices/N900 since it's more a device specific page Apr 04 07:35:23 no Apr 04 07:35:41 it will cover all arm stuff eventually so Apr 04 07:36:09 sure - so I'll create a blank /ARM - that page has no ARM info on it :) Apr 04 07:36:21 maybe qemu Apr 04 07:37:06 OK, can I move the N900 sections and add links Apr 04 07:37:54 could you wait a bit? :P Apr 04 07:38:29 OK Apr 04 07:39:56 wiki.meego.com/ARM will cover all things arm from the arm team. right now it is obviously very n900-centric as we have no other official devices Apr 04 07:40:16 and we have a lot of links lingering around that point to the ARM/ namespace Apr 04 07:40:54 OK - a page move will take care of redirects (which is the most important) Apr 04 07:40:55 it will turn into having generic instructions, porting instructions, etc Apr 04 07:42:13 OK - but it's not really ARM is it... Apr 04 07:42:25 ARM is more about development Apr 04 07:42:50 end users and the like don't care what CPU is in the device when they install Apr 04 07:43:13 right, but how about we take a discussion on the mailing list before doing one-sided changes? Apr 04 07:43:57 there's a lot of stakeholders in this documentation, so Apr 04 07:44:21 because if I asked you and you said OK then there'd be no need :) Apr 04 07:45:20 give me a couple of mins... Apr 04 07:50:57 not my call, but it is a team documentation space so care should be taken before changes :P Apr 04 07:50:58 There you go : http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/N900 Apr 04 07:51:10 yep - of course Apr 04 07:51:30 is this the -devel ml? Apr 04 07:52:02 think so Apr 04 07:52:15 not changed anything in the ARM space but pulled device specific things out and linked back Apr 04 07:52:25 so suggest documentation layout for porting, device specific things etc Apr 04 07:53:01 I'll drop an email out with some suggestions - I was planning on just setting the N900 up as an example Apr 04 07:53:16 yep Apr 04 07:53:52 how's the joggler going? Apr 04 07:55:31 my standard Meego kernel built last night - looking at kernel spec to make config changes Apr 04 07:56:29 OK - I have plastering duties... l8r Apr 04 08:07:02 decent but cannot get above 2.6.30 Apr 04 08:41:00 meego doesn't have a gui does it? Apr 04 08:41:05 I mean atm Apr 04 08:41:36 the published images don't have a gui Apr 04 08:42:19 not sure if the repos have any gui packages - there's certainly not much out there yet Apr 04 08:43:12 so why is this channel so popular? Apr 04 08:43:17 the hype? Apr 04 08:43:32 yep - all hype.... move along.... nothing to see here. Apr 04 08:43:37 bitch Apr 04 08:43:45 I want GMA 500 support ! Apr 04 08:45:23 grab xserver 1.6 and iegd Apr 04 08:45:26 works fine Apr 04 08:46:04 is it worth using? Apr 04 08:46:52 worksforme Apr 04 08:47:20 Stskeeps are you using it on your notebook? Apr 04 08:47:59 on my joggler Apr 04 08:48:12 but there is no ui on meego yet Apr 04 08:48:17 besides a xterm Apr 04 08:49:02 lol Apr 04 08:49:20 good morning Apr 04 08:49:26 but there are some capable uis in the queue Apr 04 08:49:29 okay, joggler seems interesting Apr 04 08:49:39 UK based? Apr 04 08:49:39 wow cheap too Apr 04 08:49:44 not me Apr 04 08:49:45 I'm from Aus Apr 04 08:49:47 ah Apr 04 08:49:55 only place to buy it so Apr 04 08:50:01 yup Apr 04 08:50:17 I'm actually looking for an OS for my netbook Apr 04 08:50:28 but I can't find anything that works as good as windows Apr 04 08:50:44 pretty sad Apr 04 08:50:48 which netbook? Apr 04 08:51:44 Acer Aspire One 751h, GMA500 + Atom Z520 Apr 04 08:51:49 yeah, pretty underpowered combo Apr 04 08:52:01 I really like moblin Apr 04 08:52:05 but I can't get it to work Apr 04 08:52:08 probably because I fail Apr 04 08:52:29 or maybe it's just because intel didn't feel like releasing driver Apr 04 08:53:08 * ferringb notes intel releases quite a bit Apr 04 08:53:14 gma500 however is annoying, but it happens Apr 04 08:54:13 ;) Apr 04 08:54:15 yup Apr 04 08:54:29 I've tried jolicloud/UNR Apr 04 08:54:36 but I find them a bit to slow for my liking Apr 04 08:54:52 It's probably all those fancy effects that I couldn't get rid off Apr 04 08:54:54 of* Apr 04 08:57:52 and you're right, that intel is usually good Apr 04 09:02:02 chid: moblin 2.1 was supposed to have psb support wasn't it? Apr 04 09:02:08 nope Apr 04 09:02:20 Stskeeps, it just has a flashing cursor Apr 04 09:02:26 when I booted it Apr 04 09:02:32 tried for a while to get it working Apr 04 09:02:35 hm, k Apr 04 09:02:49 iegd should work with it, it has instructions in manual Apr 04 09:03:30 huh Apr 04 09:03:33 is that for windows? Apr 04 09:04:08 iegd does support moblin the distro, just not moblin the user itnerface Apr 04 09:04:18 it doesn't provide hardware acceleration for clutter Apr 04 09:04:35 (the moblin image that comes with the iegd driver also doesn't include the moblin ui :) ) Apr 04 09:04:36 I don't understand Apr 04 09:04:47 so, you're telling me I can use moblin on my netbook Apr 04 09:04:48 somehow Apr 04 09:05:14 the moblin 2.1 IVI image that comes with the iegd driver only includes xfce... Apr 04 09:05:32 IVI image? Apr 04 09:05:47 could you possibly show me how to get moblin working ;o Apr 04 09:05:59 Mek: that's kinda odd, iegd has libGL Apr 04 09:05:59 so no, anything using clutter is explicitly not possible with psb... ubuntu netbook remix I did get to work with a reasonably acceptable speed thuogh... Apr 04 09:06:08 (and libGLES too) Apr 04 09:06:13 Stskeeps: well, clutter requires a lot more than just opengl... Apr 04 09:06:21 ah, clutter.. Apr 04 09:06:22 :P Apr 04 09:06:28 oh, Mek, what netbook have you got? Apr 04 09:06:40 chid: nokia booklet Apr 04 09:06:44 oh Apr 04 09:06:58 Mek: i would be happy with hw-accelerated qt :P Apr 04 09:07:27 Mek, does it actually last 12 H Apr 04 09:08:08 depending on usage... with no wifi/3g usage and no heavy cpu-using stuff, it does last 12H, but normally I get more like 8-10 hours Apr 04 09:08:42 ah okay Apr 04 09:08:51 I hate how my netbook Apr 04 09:08:54 starts with 3g on Apr 04 09:08:59 and max brightness Apr 04 09:09:06 and I can't figure how to disable wifi Apr 04 09:10:23 from the hardware side Apr 04 09:10:36 oh, I've forgotten to ask, what OS do you use Apr 04 09:13:12 8-10 hours, thats nice - my old Acer Aspire 3624, with its old battery, is capable of about 15 mins :o) Apr 04 09:13:20 heh Apr 04 09:13:27 my dell is capable of <6 Apr 04 09:16:32 it has been accused as being terrible slow - is that something, you as a user - has observed ? Apr 04 09:16:37 oh. Apr 04 09:16:45 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1395047&page=2 Apr 04 09:16:51 so that's how you get moblin working Apr 04 09:19:36 yeah the published iegd packages from intel suck hugely. windows .exe files that don't work under wine. You can extract stuff manually but it takes hours to figure out the ghastly dir structures. Apr 04 09:20:43 i wish they'd just put out a rpm package with them, in tablets-dev.nokia.coms tyle Apr 04 09:20:47 style Apr 04 09:21:13 well, there's a vague chance someone will have connections... Apr 04 09:21:27 hmm Apr 04 09:23:35 i mean, i would happily agree to a EULA and then get a repo url, and then just zypper in libgl-iegd Apr 04 09:23:39 :P Apr 04 09:27:33 GimlS97 Apr 04 10:00:40 hi Apr 04 10:24:44 HI Apr 04 10:25:48 wello Apr 04 10:37:45 Could i help meego by any way, for now? :) Apr 04 10:38:09 what would you like to do? Apr 04 10:38:51 Everything that does not require *so much* skills, I can't code Apr 04 10:39:29 packaging maybe? Apr 04 10:39:49 documentation? artwork? testing? Apr 04 10:40:02 translating? Apr 04 10:40:25 And, what exactly is packaging? Apr 04 10:40:50 spec files, resulting in rpms Apr 04 10:41:04 oh Apr 04 10:42:33 I wonder if there is anything to test or translate at the moment :) Apr 04 10:42:50 translation there is a localisation team, meeting quite often Apr 04 12:01:23 http://tinypic.zapto.org/2kn4m8.png?t=1270382013 do my breasts look to big? Apr 04 12:34:25 here's a thought - MeeGo, being multi-platform - is it busybox-based? Or does it use Real Gnu Userland(tm)? ;) Apr 04 12:34:40 as far as I know, no busybox in sight Apr 04 12:34:43 \o/ Apr 04 12:35:01 * lupine_85 is about to get the image running in his N900 to have a look Apr 04 12:35:13 chrooted? Apr 04 12:35:15 lupine_85: it's a "full" linux environment... afair Apr 04 12:35:16 quite interested in discovering whether the kernel can drive maemo, actually Apr 04 12:35:24 well, I'm going to start with a chroot Apr 04 12:35:41 n900 also happens to be my main phone, so I need to be careful about breaking it Apr 04 12:35:42 and /me'd like a n900 ;) Apr 04 12:35:48 did you see http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/N900 ?? Apr 04 12:35:52 ja Apr 04 12:36:03 you may want to update it if there are any issues Apr 04 12:36:45 ayeaye Apr 04 12:37:08 * lupine_85 is quite interested in having a linux that does little things like bluetooth keyboard support, ipv6, etc, with less hacking Apr 04 12:37:37 * lbt crosses fingers... Apr 04 12:38:07 thing is, since it's being designed with netbooks in mind too, nasty hacks like single-user, optification, etc, are less likely to sneak in Apr 04 12:38:26 which makes me happy :) Apr 04 12:40:20 wonder if meego will jump up to the .32 kernel anytime before release Apr 04 12:40:59 would make sense, given the widespread acceptance of .32 as a long-term supported version Apr 04 12:41:32 singleuser is already there, it looks like Apr 04 12:41:43 are we speaking about n900 or x86 kernel? Apr 04 12:42:08 well, I'll be using the n900 kernel Apr 04 12:43:14 there is a .33 getting ready, it just didn't meet the release cut - the LCD drivers and touchscreen drivers already there Apr 04 12:43:36 mind you, there's a netbook to my right with dell-inspired ubuntu begging for something better once meego is vaguely consumer-friendly Apr 04 12:43:57 * lupine_85 hears the shuttleworth cry out in pain Apr 04 12:44:21 eh, no biggie ;) Apr 04 12:47:12 * lupine_85 notes that since the kernel can be flashed independently to the rootfs, it shouldn't be too nasty to try out maemo on a meego kernel Apr 04 12:47:18 what's the worst that can happen? ;) Apr 04 12:48:05 meego kernel is just 2.6.28 plus new sgx drivers really Apr 04 12:50:08 new sgx drivers? *prick up ears* Apr 04 12:50:29 if you care the kernel src.rpm is here: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/test/trunk-test/repo/source/ and that is trunk+patches Apr 04 12:50:53 s/trunk/mainline/ Apr 04 12:50:54 lbt meant: if you care the kernel src.rpm is here: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/test/mainline-test/repo/source/ and that is trunk+patches Apr 04 12:51:18 heh - I forgot infobot was back Apr 04 12:51:18 heh. it's always the opengl Apr 04 12:51:54 * lupine_85 does wish the n900 was slightly beefier in the CPU department Apr 04 12:51:55 ah well Apr 04 13:09:10 \o/, step 1 complete Apr 04 13:10:03 'panic'? Apr 04 13:10:45 madeo.co.uk .. wasn't it someone in here? Apr 04 13:11:54 lupine_85: Well, overclock it? Someone pushed it to 900MHz ;) Apr 04 13:11:59 o.O Apr 04 13:12:05 linky? Apr 04 13:12:12 leinir: overclocking is not recommended as it may make your n900 smoke Apr 04 13:12:13 :P Apr 04 13:12:18 s/may/will/ Apr 04 13:12:19 :P Apr 04 13:12:21 Yeah, i know, just saying ;) Apr 04 13:12:30 and not the post-coital kind of smoke Apr 04 13:12:31 :P Apr 04 13:12:31 nm, got it Apr 04 13:12:51 mind you, since power usage increases with the cube of the clock speed, I can't imagine doubling the speed to be a good idea Apr 04 13:14:34 quite apart from the heat, I can't see the battery coping well Apr 04 13:14:53 * lupine_85 is quite tempted by that 2,500mAh (or whatever it is) battery though Apr 04 13:15:06 woow... that sounds interesting :) Apr 04 13:15:45 hmm, 50Kbps download Apr 04 13:15:55 wonder if that's due to slow writes or fail networking Apr 04 13:16:44 well, here it's just because ADSL in England tends to be utterly useful ;) Apr 04 13:17:06 *shrug* I've got a decent ISP and the PC can grab it at 5x the speed Apr 04 13:17:12 no, 7x Apr 04 13:17:29 maybe it'll be faster over USB... 'though I kind of hope not Apr 04 13:33:26 lupine_85: the imageß Apr 04 13:34:00 hmm, copies /very/ fast over usb Apr 04 13:39:41 peculiar - I get invalid tar magic on the copied .tar.gz Apr 04 13:39:48 md5sum matches the reference one Apr 04 13:41:14 get gnu tar from repositories Apr 04 13:41:17 busybox tar is not good Apr 04 13:43:58 ja Apr 04 13:44:27 I'm now building the rootfs on the PC and will copy over a just-gz'd image instead Apr 04 14:06:28 aha, life Apr 04 14:06:34 yummy - bash4 Apr 04 16:50:02 allo aMeeGo's Apr 04 16:51:36 hi Apr 04 17:25:02 ...so the N900 kernel in the initial code drop a) is .28 and b) doesn't have IPv6 enabled Apr 04 17:25:18 right Apr 04 17:25:18 hey Apr 04 17:25:41 by the sounds of it the kernel was made very quickly for meego Apr 04 17:25:58 indeedy Apr 04 17:26:17 it was built on the day of the release Apr 04 17:26:19 i think the x86 kernel was a copy of the moblin one Apr 04 17:26:19 lupine_85: we have a .33 in pipeline, but it didn't make release cut Apr 04 17:26:42 thiago: "do we have a kernel ready? no? shit! quickly make one!" Apr 04 17:26:46 mm. with ipv6? :) Apr 04 17:26:53 make one Apr 04 17:26:53 :P Apr 04 17:27:01 make zImage Apr 04 17:27:30 indeedy Apr 04 17:27:50 * lupine_85 is just grabbing MADDE at the moment Apr 04 17:27:55 my laptop is overheating, go adobe! Apr 04 17:35:50 CosmoHill: did u get X to run? Apr 04 17:36:00 not touched it Apr 04 17:36:21 k Apr 04 17:42:47 <_Sky_> you need the framebuffer driver for xorg, but there should still be a problem with the mouse Apr 04 17:43:40 alden: do you have to install meego to a hard drive or do you just use the live image? Apr 04 17:46:10 CosmoHill: i used the live image Apr 04 17:46:20 thought so Apr 04 17:46:50 _Sky_: problem with the mouse because? Apr 04 17:47:47 _Sky_: i cant get my usb mouse to work inside VirtualBox running meego Apr 04 17:48:14 _Sky_: was wondering if i missed a critical package Apr 04 17:48:24 <_Sky_> i just heared it from other users, i didn't manage to install meego from the usb netboot image, i used only the live version. Actually i use the developer image by using the MIC2 tool (chroot) Apr 04 17:49:09 <_Sky_> there i use Xephyr on my host as X-Server Apr 04 17:50:45 _Sky_: ok Apr 04 17:50:47 i don't think it's the kernel as that when using ubuntu you have a mouse Apr 04 17:50:53 _Sky_: will i find that conversation on irclogs? Apr 04 17:51:23 <_Sky_> maybe, but i didn't hear a solution for the mouse problem yet Apr 04 17:51:50 <_Sky_> told a guy to test the /dev/input/mice device but it didn't produce any output for him Apr 04 17:52:00 _Sky_: maybe that was me? Apr 04 17:52:09 <_Sky_> maybe :D Apr 04 17:52:11 :) Apr 04 17:52:23 alden: can you search the packages for "xf86-input-mouse" ? Apr 04 17:52:42 that was alden you told to do Apr 04 17:53:14 <_Sky_> i fear it wont help much if even the /dev device doesn't give you any mousedata Apr 04 17:53:49 <_Sky_> alden did you manage to install from the image ? Apr 04 17:53:59 <_Sky_> i would like to try that out too :) Apr 04 17:54:39 _Sky_: no i used CosmoHill's vdi Apr 04 17:55:14 i installed xorg-x11-drv-mouse if thats what u mean Apr 04 17:55:24 brb xchat acting wierd Apr 04 17:55:26 <_Sky_> so you also just run meego from ram Apr 04 17:55:48 _Sky_: as it's a usb image i think you can save Apr 04 17:56:16 <_Sky_> i can't Apr 04 17:56:27 <_Sky_> the root filesystem is in the ram Apr 04 17:56:37 maybe alden doesn't shut down the vm Apr 04 17:56:45 <_Sky_> i dont do either ;) Apr 04 17:57:00 i just save the state Apr 04 17:57:08 <_Sky_> i always save its state, but cannot restart it and i did a kernel update xD Apr 04 17:57:19 hehe Apr 04 17:57:26 <_Sky_> so i can't load any modules now ^^ Apr 04 17:57:32 does hard disk install work? havent tried Apr 04 17:57:34 <_Sky_> never do a: yum upgrade alden :D Apr 04 17:57:40 btw why does the meego liveimage come with a password Apr 04 17:57:41 ? Apr 04 17:57:56 <_Sky_> it doesn't install, for me at least Apr 04 17:58:23 <_Sky_> i don't know, but its easy to guess: root:meego and meego:meego Apr 04 17:58:57 <_Sky_> i needed 1.5GB ram for the upgrade xD Apr 04 18:00:07 damn Apr 04 18:00:11 i need to change some of the repos Apr 04 18:00:21 <_Sky_> ok, i will restart my meego now and try to get some mouse input Apr 04 18:02:38 <_Sky_> hmm why are the kernel modules of the image from version 2.6.33.1 and the kernel is 2.6.31 !? Apr 04 18:02:54 <_Sky_> can't load any modules Apr 04 18:03:01 the kernel and initrd are from ubuntu Apr 04 18:03:25 <_Sky_> oh, i had almost forgotten that ^^ Apr 04 18:03:48 <_Sky_> maybe thats the reason for the mouse problem, but I'm not sure Apr 04 18:04:14 so of a...I get "illegal instruction" from zypper and yum Apr 04 18:05:24 CosmoHill: How big overlay? Apr 04 18:05:44 ? Apr 04 18:06:16 I assume you're not out of space?? (live usb??) Apr 04 18:06:38 I have over 100MB Apr 04 18:06:50 I can't list the packages already installed Apr 04 18:07:09 "yum --help" returns "illegal instruction" Apr 04 18:07:20 <_Sky_> strange, can you run anything else ? Apr 04 18:07:28 top works Apr 04 18:09:20 Are you using the default meego-preview-netbook img? Apr 04 18:09:48 yes Apr 04 18:09:54 <_Sky_> he uses the vdi i guess, but it works for me with the vdi image Apr 04 18:10:09 i think it's the repos Apr 04 18:10:14 i can clean them Apr 04 18:10:18 but refresh starts then fails Apr 04 18:10:50 I ran into trouble for having a to small overlay .. ~ 100M, which I changed to 1G Apr 04 18:11:01 overlay? Apr 04 18:11:47 Yeah.. you have a squashfs (readonly) and meego is using overlay (union-type-fs).. to be able to save data to disk.. Apr 04 18:11:53 I've changed it from 256MB to 1024MB Apr 04 18:11:55 I'll give it a go Apr 04 18:12:18 (the ram that is) Apr 04 18:12:31 good luck Apr 04 18:13:12 alden: what repos did you enable and disable? Apr 04 18:13:33 CosmoHill: i left them as default Apr 04 18:13:55 <_Sky_> tell me more about this overlay cyberkonsult :) i would like to make permanent changes to the image ^^ Apr 04 18:14:31 check out the mic-image-creation utilities.. grep for overlay... Apr 04 18:14:40 alden: I do "zypper install xorg-*" Apr 04 18:14:47 it asks me about a repo and I say "yes" Apr 04 18:14:50 it then fails Apr 04 18:15:01 You can just rebuild a new image with a bigger overlay.. Apr 04 18:15:14 CosmoHill: whats the file where the repos are defined? Apr 04 18:15:30 i think it's /etc/repo.d Apr 04 18:15:38 */etc/zypp/repo.d Apr 04 18:15:55 you can go "zypper lr" to list them Apr 04 18:16:31 whaaa - failed to start virtual machine meego-vdi: virtualbox cant operate in VMX root mode. please disable kvm kernel extension, recompile your kernel and reboot Apr 04 18:16:45 i just installed qemu Apr 04 18:17:04 btw i found that "shutdown -h now" doesn't work Apr 04 18:17:10 <_Sky_> but where do i see and use the overlay when i boot the image ? i only see that half of my ram is used for the root fs and the other half is used as tmpfs Apr 04 18:17:15 it just sits there with a blank screen Apr 04 18:19:53 _Sky_: I *think* that the overlay is rather transparent.. I just got image-creator from the repos and ran mic-image-converter Apr 04 18:20:10 <_Sky_> i just see a option of the image creator called: -i, --interactive , Directly write into a USB disk Apr 04 18:20:29 _Sky_: see if you could make a new kernel Apr 04 18:20:38 mic-image-convertor --overlay-size-mb 1000 -I meego-preview-netbook-core-20100330-001.usbimg -T liveusb Apr 04 18:20:50 <_Sky_> thanks Apr 04 18:21:01 isn't there an option to make a vdi ? Apr 04 18:21:15 <_Sky_> no, but its easy to convert to vdi Apr 04 18:21:23 hear hear Apr 04 18:21:55 VBoxManage is your friend!! Apr 04 18:22:02 <_Sky_> VBoxManage convertfromraw image.img image.vdi Apr 04 18:23:02 * thiago scratches his head about ImadSousou's message to meego-dev Apr 04 18:23:30 CosmoHill: i dont recall making any changes to the repos. this is my output from zypper lr: http://dpaste.com/179369/ Apr 04 18:23:45 thiago: Stskeeps' theory was a catpaw Apr 04 18:23:54 thiago: me and w00ts theory is cat paws because capactive doesn't work in a pocket Apr 04 18:24:04 ^ Apr 04 18:24:23 and hence unlocked iphone in pocket cant type Apr 04 18:24:46 well, if he's wearing a thin shirt, and the phone is left facing his body... Apr 04 18:24:58 only on IRC can you pick up a conversation after a gap of a few hours Apr 04 18:27:05 Hey! Ho was responsible for the content of the repos?? Apr 04 18:27:18 s/Ho/who Apr 04 18:27:36 dunno Apr 04 18:27:38 There was no xeyes !! Apr 04 18:28:04 sitting there in twm and some funky xterms... no xeyes!! Apr 04 18:28:22 <_Sky_> lol, nice replacement expression cyberkonsult Apr 04 18:28:37 wgetpaste package wouuld be nice to have.. currently need to scp a file then copy n paste to dpaste Apr 04 18:28:53 He.. read Sousou:s mail... funny... Apr 04 18:33:11 <_Sky_> lol i get "Error creating Live CD : You didn't install squashfs-tools." , but i did ^^ Apr 04 18:33:28 <_Sky_> and again i have to search for the error in the python code of mic ;) Apr 04 18:33:59 tell me when you rewrite it Apr 04 18:34:04 <_Sky_> :D Apr 04 18:37:53 <_Sky_> the code doesn't seem to be tested on many distributions now, i found another issue which had to fix with the path of the unix "du" tool which is in /bin/du for me, but its hard coded to /usr/bin/du , but i'm still unsure why they dont just use the filesize function of python instead, i will file a bug in the bugzilla about that soon Apr 04 18:39:58 * alden goes back to reading Linux From Scratch Apr 04 18:41:54 <_Sky_> have fun alden, i should do that once too ;) the most linux from scratch like distributions i used was gentoo Apr 04 18:42:51 <_Sky_> but compiling bored me, especialy when updating, to i switched to archlinux Apr 04 18:43:05 <_Sky_> *so Apr 04 18:43:19 sousou on the beers again? Apr 04 18:43:41 _Sky_: squashfs 4.0? or the older one? Apr 04 18:44:02 <_Sky_> 4.0 Apr 04 18:45:47 lcuk: cat paws Apr 04 18:46:28 i thought unicode borked it all Apr 04 18:46:49 <_Sky_> like with du, same problem, it checks for /usr/bin/unsquashfs or /usr/sbin/unsquashfs , but for me its in /sbin/unsquashfs Apr 04 18:47:08 There is beer? Apr 04 18:47:40 <_Sky_> maybe the should do somethink like a "in path check" instead of searching each directory for it Apr 04 18:50:37 Who overwrites my resolv.conf with nameserver 127.0.0.1 ?? Apr 04 18:50:57 \o Apr 04 18:51:17 Seriously, what overwrites the resolv.conf? Apr 04 18:51:25 after reboot... Apr 04 18:51:30 network manager? Apr 04 18:51:43 cyberkonsult: connman Apr 04 18:51:48 cyberkonsult: connman is the DNS server Apr 04 18:51:50 er yeah Apr 04 18:52:04 ah... the conman at it again!! ;( Apr 04 18:52:23 I have to read up on connman... Apr 04 18:52:36 some wiki of sort I suppose... Apr 04 18:52:55 or was that a moblin creation? Apr 04 18:53:03 yes Apr 04 18:53:07 basically yeah Apr 04 18:53:12 to fix networking setup once and for all Apr 04 18:53:15 without a beast like NM Apr 04 18:53:59 So instead of a script in rc.local where the resolv.conf get overwritten by my file I should... Apr 04 18:54:03 it's funny how nm became a beast Apr 04 18:54:12 to think, the original specifications called for it to be "lightweight" Apr 04 18:54:17 and "simple" Apr 04 18:54:25 at least they didn't put simple in the name Apr 04 18:54:28 or i would have laughed Apr 04 18:55:07 isn't the complexity needed for multiple connections to work? Apr 04 18:55:15 cyberkonsult: you should nothing Apr 04 18:55:30 I like the nm-applet, not sure what 0.7 did on the server side but 0.6 was almost unusable in the real world Apr 04 18:55:57 thiago: So I should keep 127.0.0.1 in my resolv.conf? Apr 04 18:56:02 cyberkonsult: yes Apr 04 18:56:23 * cyberkonsult stumbles around confused Apr 04 18:56:26 or the system will get mad at you Apr 04 18:56:38 * cyberkonsult hides in a corner Apr 04 18:56:40 and be like a girlfriend in a spat Apr 04 18:57:04 * cyberkonsult is terrified Apr 04 18:57:13 ) Apr 04 18:57:35 k, I found connman.net ... Apr 04 18:59:00 * cyberkonsult is looking for "Documentation" on connman.net Apr 04 18:59:34 cyberkonsult: did you check the moblin site and or the meego wiki? Apr 04 18:59:39 cyberkonsult: if not, there is always the source code. Apr 04 19:00:01 * thiago recommends saying what the problem is Apr 04 19:00:09 and yeah, maybe we can help too Apr 04 19:00:16 :) Apr 04 19:00:50 I didn't get a resolv for repos at meego... after "fixing" the resolv.conf it worked... Apr 04 19:01:13 think of connman as the resolver Apr 04 19:01:28 are you using an odd network setup? Apr 04 19:01:45 connman needs to be told what your DNS server is, somehow Apr 04 19:01:49 usually via DHCP Apr 04 19:02:03 I don't use DHCP Apr 04 19:02:19 yeah, I thought so Apr 04 19:02:31 I don't know how to tell connman about a static IP configuration Apr 04 19:03:17 * TSCHAKeee drops his head Apr 04 19:03:19 I just brought up the eth0 and fixed the route and after the resolv.conf change it worked... but will be reading on connman Apr 04 19:03:29 why do people do that? Apr 04 19:03:36 * TSCHAKeee shakes head Apr 04 19:03:39 lol Apr 04 19:04:04 cyberkonsult: all this wonderful tech exists to make your life easier, it really does Apr 04 19:04:07 ;) Apr 04 19:04:12 So... how do we tell connman about static configs..? Apr 04 19:04:32 why do you need a static config? you do realize you can configure DHCP to hand out static addresses, right? Apr 04 19:04:39 * CosmoHill devalours a pizza Apr 04 19:04:57 TSCHAKeee: great until the DHCP server cops it Apr 04 19:05:06 I have a couple of really paranoids fw here.. special rules for my IP Apr 04 19:05:19 then do it right Apr 04 19:05:22 that is no excuse Apr 04 19:05:29 you'd be surprised Apr 04 19:05:39 oh please Apr 04 19:05:41 give me a breka. Apr 04 19:05:50 I work for an ISP and we do provide a DHCP server - but all the machines we deliver are configured statically Apr 04 19:05:59 i've done this stuff longer than probably the both of you put together. Apr 04 19:06:02 DHCP is great when the machine's IP is expected to change Apr 04 19:06:16 if there's no conceivable reason for it to change, it's just another point of failure Apr 04 19:06:34 * TSCHAKeee facepalms, and walks away from the sheer ignorance. Apr 04 19:06:36 lol dnsmasq overwrites resolv.conf Apr 04 19:07:25 I am on a subnet, reaching services on another subnet, some weird routings for my dev-net.... Apr 04 19:07:50 cyberkonsult: VLANs are the obvious solution ;) Apr 04 19:08:30 Yeah... but then I have to rebuild the network (and equipment).. Apr 04 19:08:39 true enough Apr 04 19:08:48 yes, but you would save yourself a lot of pain Apr 04 19:08:51 in the end Apr 04 19:09:15 It would save me a lot of pain if I could tell connman about my static configuration... Apr 04 19:09:24 that's a band aid Apr 04 19:09:26 stop it Apr 04 19:10:16 you need to step back and look at this logically. Apr 04 19:10:33 how much time are you willing to waste Apr 04 19:10:35 to deal with now? Apr 04 19:10:40 versus fixing it right, for now and later? Apr 04 19:11:04 if the time for the former becomes absurd in proportion to the latter Apr 04 19:11:15 it's time to rethink the decision making paradigm Apr 04 19:11:18 just a bit Apr 04 19:11:20 :) Apr 04 19:11:54 * lupine_85 does tend to get confused by arguments from authority, but never mind. Apr 04 19:11:57 Having a tried and tested fw-setup is something I really value, I see your point though.. Apr 04 19:12:10