**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 06 02:59:56 2010
Apr 06 06:25:48 <Manuk> hi
Apr 06 06:26:07 <johnxx> hello
Apr 06 06:26:52 <Manuk> where can i follow the status of the development on meego.com?
Apr 06 06:28:25 <johnxx> well, they have a blogs section (which your probably already saw), but if you want lots and lots of updates, you could follow them on meego.gitorious.org
Apr 06 06:28:38 <Manuk> ok thx
Apr 06 06:28:46 <Manuk> ill have a look
Apr 06 06:28:49 <johnxx> the mailing lists would probably provide lots of info too
Apr 06 06:29:56 <Manuk> hope the tdevelopment goes well you developer guys rock keep up the good work :)
Apr 06 06:30:25 <johnxx> <- not a dev
Apr 06 06:30:26 <Manuk> im waiting for the UI then as im only user
Apr 06 06:30:31 <johnxx> just hanging out :)
Apr 06 06:30:43 <Manuk> hehe
Apr 06 06:31:22 <Manuk> a.so on n900?
Apr 06 06:31:46 <Manuk> also? sorry tiny keys
Apr 06 07:23:40 <hurdman> hi
Apr 06 07:24:34 <Stskeeps> hello
Apr 06 07:38:42 <th0br0> hello hurdman and Stskeeps
Apr 06 07:57:50 <slaine> morning all
Apr 06 08:02:19 <Stskeeps> morning slaine
Apr 06 08:03:24 <th0br0> morning slaine
Apr 06 08:03:32 <slaine> hey guys
Apr 06 08:03:45 <slaine> back to the slog today after a nice long weekend
Apr 06 08:03:52 <th0br0> :)
Apr 06 08:10:35 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Apr 06 08:12:16 <th0br0> hello Jaffa
Apr 06 08:13:35 <slaine> Stskeeps: seem my repo bug was fixed
Apr 06 08:14:07 <slaine> gnome-python2-canvas is now part of the repo so the installer package installs correctly
Apr 06 08:14:16 <Stskeeps> good
Apr 06 08:15:23 <slaine> bug #422 cresolved/fixed
Apr 06 09:46:32 <Jaffa> Woohoo, Joggler's arrived. At home, though.
Apr 06 09:46:44 <Stskeeps> woo :)
Apr 06 09:48:57 <th0br0> Unfortunately, they don't offer Jogglers here in Germany.
Apr 06 10:58:51 <slaine> mmeeks: you about ?
Apr 06 11:00:23 <mmeeks> slaine: yes indeed - whatsup ? :-)
Apr 06 11:00:51 <slaine> just wondering about that CPU Architecture discussion on the dev list
Apr 06 11:01:19 <slaine> I know you've done a lot of work with compilers and optimization on the OOo code base, so was interested in hearing your thoughts
Apr 06 11:01:42 <slaine> To me, the requirement for having ssse3 on the cpu is a PITA
Apr 06 11:02:34 <slaine> I've a bunch of older hardware that I'd have liked to use Moblin/MeeGo. There's a lot of that hardware still be sold for industrial PC's etc.
Apr 06 11:03:07 <slaine> Doess 586+ssse3 really give that much of a benefit over 686+sse2 ?
Apr 06 11:03:49 <slaine> And if 586+ssse3 has such an advantage over generic builds, what does that mean for ARM
Apr 06 11:04:38 <ius> ARMv7 <> ARMv5 should be quite a difference, considering NEON..
Apr 06 11:04:42 <slaine> It's using the same code but doesn't have those IA extensions to benefit from. I'm sure ARM has some sort of SIMD instructions but will it offer similar levels of performance
Apr 06 11:05:06 * CosmoHill pokes slaine 
Apr 06 11:05:06 <slaine> Yes, ius NEON is the ARM SIMD instruction set right ?
Apr 06 11:05:20 <slaine> CosmoHill: yup ?
Apr 06 11:05:34 <CosmoHill> i have a x86 meego vdi image for virtualbox
Apr 06 11:05:35 <CosmoHill> ::)
Apr 06 11:05:35 <ius> Yes.
Apr 06 11:05:39 <CosmoHill> i need to test it hto
Apr 06 11:05:41 <CosmoHill> tho*
Apr 06 11:06:01 <slaine> CosmoHill: I saw, well done. Did you use mrec's guide or make some mods yourself ?
Apr 06 11:06:13 <CosmoHill> i used mrec's guide
Apr 06 11:06:24 <CosmoHill> _Sky_ has made a new one with his own kernel
Apr 06 11:06:47 <CosmoHill> this should have better support than the one made using mrec's guide
Apr 06 11:07:13 <slaine> What did he change in the kernel to make it work ?
Apr 06 11:07:26 <CosmoHill> i think i was just the processor option
Apr 06 11:08:35 <slaine> Wonder did anyone log a bug on that issue
Apr 06 11:08:55 <CosmoHill> bbl, I'm gonna test the new image
Apr 06 11:10:35 <ToArtist> hi,how can i develop meego application under windows
Apr 06 11:14:29 <slaine> ToArtist: Start using Qt and you should be able to port over
Apr 06 11:15:34 <ToArtist> yeah,I am using qt,but i don't have the environment of meego
Apr 06 11:16:29 <slaine> There's no official SDK at the moment
Apr 06 11:17:01 <Anssi||> is there any ui specs? resolution and stuff
Apr 06 11:17:03 <ToArtist> when can i get it??
Apr 06 11:17:06 <slaine> I was wonder if you could mix and match the Moblin SDK with Qt dev to get an approximation. I've no idea how it all works on Windows though as I use Linux for dev
Apr 06 11:17:13 <slaine> Anssi||: not yet
Apr 06 11:17:23 <Anssi||> it does not so much to sense start developing without some sort ui specs
Apr 06 11:17:23 <slaine> ToArtist: get what, Moblin SDK >
Apr 06 11:17:41 <leinir> Anssi||: Well, a wild bit of specilation would be that the res and screen size of the n900 is the smallest MeeGo display :)
Apr 06 11:17:54 <slaine> and 1024x600 for netbooks
Apr 06 11:17:57 <CosmoHill> slaine: the new vdi is good :)
Apr 06 11:17:57 <ToArtist> something like the develop of maemo
Apr 06 11:17:58 <leinir> Anssi||: But, that is of course simply wild speculation ;)
Apr 06 11:21:36 <CosmoHill> http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/meego-x86.vdi :)
Apr 06 11:21:54 <missdeer> lol
Apr 06 11:22:36 * CosmoHill stabs netgear with a swordfish
Apr 06 11:22:37 <CosmoHill> brb
Apr 06 11:26:06 <CosmoHill> back
Apr 06 11:35:05 <ToArtist> i come back,who knows callingallinnovators??Can I develop applications for Meego??
Apr 06 11:36:19 <CosmoHill> Applications are made in Qt, so if it will work on meamo is should work in meego i think
Apr 06 11:37:15 <ToArtist> :) thanks
Apr 06 11:42:36 <CosmoHill> I don't think meego will have Qt until 1.1
Apr 06 11:44:38 <Stskeeps> uh, it already has qt in repos doesn't it
Apr 06 11:44:44 <w00t_> ^
Apr 06 11:44:49 <w00t_> as far as I know that's the case
Apr 06 11:45:37 <w00t_> yup
Apr 06 11:45:45 <w00t_> 4.6.1
Apr 06 11:46:40 <w00t_> (4.6.2 is out, and 4.6.3 is on the way sometime I'd guess, I wonder why that's behind the official release)
Apr 06 13:26:58 <lauri>  /q diegobz
Apr 06 13:45:14 <saschi> hello
Apr 06 13:54:42 * CosmoHill orders district 9
Apr 06 14:13:28 <rmrfchik> what is BUILD_ARCH target for arm?
Apr 06 14:20:24 * CosmoHill goes to cut the grass, bbl
Apr 06 14:56:51 <slaine> Stskeeps: hmmm, the installer seems to be missing a font it can use on x
Apr 06 14:57:37 <Stskeeps> install xfonts-something
Apr 06 15:00:07 * CosmoHill returns
Apr 06 15:01:46 <Jontte> hey, how do you recommend I run the X-server? I'm running the live usb image for netbooks
Apr 06 15:01:59 <CosmoHill> startx?
Apr 06 15:02:07 <Jontte> not found
Apr 06 15:02:11 <CosmoHill> try
Apr 06 15:02:15 <CosmoHill> zypper install xorg-*
Apr 06 15:02:28 <CosmoHill> (if it goes wrong, i take no responsibility :) )
Apr 06 15:04:42 <Jontte> ah, so its a packaging issue.. thanks. Do you know if meego uses xdm/gdm/kdm?
Apr 06 15:04:44 <slaine> Stskeeps: I'll take a look
Apr 06 15:05:10 <slaine> Jontte: it'll use none of those
Apr 06 15:05:15 <slaine> uxlaunch
Apr 06 15:05:23 <Jontte> I see
Apr 06 15:05:34 <slaine> Though, for a dev env, you can install gdm/XFCE
Apr 06 15:18:51 * CosmoHill reads about vmware workstation vs virtualbox
Apr 06 15:22:22 <Jontte> open source fanatics go for the latter
Apr 06 15:23:02 <Jontte> It has all the features I'll ever need, at least.
Apr 06 15:25:09 <th0br0> Except for USB support, which is only in the closed source version
Apr 06 15:25:24 <CosmoHill> I used to have vmware server IIRC but for some reason after a clean install it wouldn't workl
Apr 06 15:25:25 <Jontte> true
Apr 06 15:25:28 <CosmoHill> so I changed to virtualbox
Apr 06 15:25:35 <CosmoHill> SATA drivers too
Apr 06 15:31:31 <CosmoHill> I wonder when the virtualbox boot screen will be rebranded to orcal
Apr 06 15:31:48 <Jontte> how advanced is the meego installer when it comes to resizing partitions?
Apr 06 15:32:19 <Jontte> I'm trying to install meego as a tertiary OS on my netbook
Apr 06 15:32:38 <CosmoHill> I have no idea since I can't get the installer to boot
Apr 06 15:32:42 <th0br0> CosmoHill: "orcal"?
Apr 06 15:32:48 <CosmoHill> Oracle
Apr 06 15:32:55 <th0br0> ah ^^
Apr 06 15:32:59 <th0br0> Jontte: there is an installer?
Apr 06 15:33:01 <th0br0> I don't think so.
Apr 06 15:33:02 <th0br0> Not yet.
Apr 06 15:33:24 <Jontte> okay, the boot up menu says something about direct install but I guess I shouldn't try that then?
Apr 06 15:34:24 <th0br0> No idea :)
Apr 06 15:34:33 * Jontte gets his hands dirty with fdisk
Apr 06 15:34:35 <th0br0> Try it..
Apr 06 15:34:39 <th0br0> You'll see how it works out.
Apr 06 15:34:49 <th0br0> But it's not really mass-consumable right now anyway from what i know.
Apr 06 15:34:52 <CosmoHill> Jontte: is this the 2nd or 3rd option down?
Apr 06 15:35:03 <Jontte> second yes
Apr 06 15:35:40 <Jontte> first one being live boot and the third one directing to local boot
Apr 06 15:40:07 <CosmoHill> oh snap, I've just seen the prices fo virtual box
Apr 06 15:40:11 <CosmoHill> the one you have to pay for
Apr 06 15:42:55 <CosmoHill> may I be the first to say "ha!"
Apr 06 15:48:24 <CosmoHill> ooo, vmware player is free and you can create virtual machines now
Apr 06 16:14:17 <saoirse> has anyone got meego runing on aspire one ?
Apr 06 16:14:29 <microlith> I had it going
Apr 06 16:14:36 <microlith> not much more than a console though
Apr 06 16:14:53 <saoirse> hmmm all i seem to get is a local host login screen
Apr 06 16:15:00 <microlith> that's all it is
Apr 06 16:15:03 <microlith> at this point a tleast
Apr 06 16:15:27 <saoirse> pretty splash images at boot and power down though
Apr 06 16:19:23 <CosmoHill> you can install x11 i think
Apr 06 16:27:03 <CosmoHill> hahahah
Apr 06 16:27:25 <CosmoHill> there is a website company that will change you $100 to fix w3c coding errors in your website
Apr 06 16:27:49 <Jontte> nice
Apr 06 16:27:59 <lcuk> CosmoHill, then start a site offering $99 solutions :p
Apr 06 16:29:34 * w00t_ charges lcuk $98 for being a special customer
Apr 06 16:30:31 <develCuy> I'm trying to test preview images
Apr 06 16:30:48 <CosmoHill> arm or x86?
Apr 06 16:30:54 <develCuy> just downloaded meego-preview-aava-core-20100330-001.tar.bz2
Apr 06 16:30:59 <develCuy> but don't know how to use it
Apr 06 16:31:13 <develCuy> I'm in Ubuntu 9.10 64 bit
Apr 06 16:31:54 <develCuy> also have meego-preview-netbook-core-20100330-001.usbimg
Apr 06 16:32:33 <develCuy> tried to run it with qemu, but got a kernel panic
Apr 06 16:33:51 <CosmoHill> do you have virtualbox installed?
Apr 06 16:33:55 <develCuy> yep
Apr 06 16:35:18 <CosmoHill> one mo
Apr 06 16:35:38 <CosmoHill> http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/meego-x86.vdi
Apr 06 16:36:48 <develCuy> cosmo, thank you!!!
Apr 06 16:36:58 <develCuy> how can we have that image added to meego's wiki?
Apr 06 16:37:06 <CosmoHill> er,
Apr 06 16:37:17 <CosmoHill> download and see if it works first
Apr 06 16:38:18 <glinpus> usbimg paniced in qemu for me also, on a couple of machines
Apr 06 16:38:35 <jpwhiting> CosmoHill: ping
Apr 06 16:38:48 <CosmoHill> jpwhiting: pong
Apr 06 16:39:15 <jpwhiting> CosmoHill: hey, I heard you were able to get meego running in virtualbox, is that right?
Apr 06 16:39:22 <develCuy> how it is supposed that we are going to contribute to MeeGo project, if don't have a reliable way to run it on VirtualBox or Qemu?
Apr 06 16:39:48 <jpwhiting> I downloaded the meego handset image, and converted the boot and sda bins into vdi images
Apr 06 16:39:53 <jpwhiting> but couldn't get either one to boot
Apr 06 16:40:10 <CosmoHill> jpwhiting: http://www.sundtek.de/meego/index.txt
Apr 06 16:40:18 <jpwhiting> CosmoHill: thx
Apr 06 16:40:39 <CosmoHill> http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/readme.txt
Apr 06 17:15:55 <jpwhiting> CosmoHill: I downloaded and tried meego-x86.vdi
Apr 06 17:16:02 <CosmoHill> :)
Apr 06 17:16:08 <jpwhiting> and Boot Meego and Install only both seem to just hang
Apr 06 17:16:25 <CosmoHill> boot meego display a white background
Apr 06 17:16:26 <jpwhiting> I have a second image as my primary slave (meego-sda.vdi)
Apr 06 17:16:36 <CosmoHill> then shows up with the login prompt
Apr 06 17:16:36 <jpwhiting> no, it just stays at the grub menu
Apr 06 17:16:47 <CosmoHill> did you press enter?
Apr 06 17:16:53 <jpwhiting> but arrows no longer work after I hit enter
Apr 06 17:16:55 <jpwhiting> yes
Apr 06 17:17:00 <CosmoHill> hmm
Apr 06 17:17:02 <CosmoHill> no idea
Apr 06 17:17:06 <jpwhiting> do I need to tweak some vm settings?
Apr 06 17:17:17 <jpwhiting> pae or apic or something?
Apr 06 17:17:18 <CosmoHill> don't think so
Apr 06 17:17:45 <develCuy> CosmoHill, meego starts with no X :(
Apr 06 17:17:57 <CosmoHill> develCuy: that is correct
Apr 06 17:18:03 <CosmoHill> there is no x11 installed by default
Apr 06 17:18:11 <CosmoHill> I don't know how to install it either
Apr 06 17:18:13 <develCuy> :S
Apr 06 17:18:23 <develCuy> which is the graphic interface then?
Apr 06 17:18:37 <jpwhiting> none yet I believe X will be though
Apr 06 17:18:41 <CosmoHill> you could try "yum install xorg-*" but I get Illegal error
Apr 06 17:19:05 <jpwhiting> CosmoHill: hmm, after removing my second partition (meego-sda.vdi) it still doesn't do anything after grub screen...
Apr 06 17:19:22 <develCuy> ....
Apr 06 17:19:28 <develCuy> so meego is just a console?!
Apr 06 17:19:37 <CosmoHill> at the moment
Apr 06 17:19:53 <develCuy> you mean your vdi? or the whole meego?
Apr 06 17:20:05 <jpwhiting> the whole meego
Apr 06 17:20:10 <develCuy> omg
Apr 06 17:20:29 <develCuy> let's install x then
Apr 06 17:20:46 <koupsaa> there is xorg to in repo
Apr 06 17:21:55 <develCuy> first we need ethernet drivers
Apr 06 17:26:41 <develCuy> modprobe pcnet32
Apr 06 17:26:54 <develCuy> if you are in VB
Apr 06 17:27:01 <koupsaa> you can add xorg-* in .ks file only. just add 'yum xorg-*' on live-usb  there is somes errors
Apr 06 17:27:03 <develCuy> that is enough to get internet working
Apr 06 17:34:27 <develCuy> CosmoHill, got a ext3 error :(
Apr 06 17:34:32 <CosmoHill> :o
Apr 06 17:35:19 <develCuy> will try to install it first
Apr 06 17:38:05 <develCuy> had to download the vdi again
Apr 06 17:47:29 <develCuy> /usr/sbin/liveinst no such file or directory
Apr 06 18:38:20 <develCuy> just found that meego.vdi is a mess of nested imags
Apr 06 18:38:28 <develCuy> images* (disk images)
Apr 06 18:38:50 <develCuy> and installer does not works... so
Apr 06 18:39:32 <develCuy> will play with it again in a few months
Apr 06 18:52:00 <Jaffa> Joggler is downloading software updates :)
Apr 06 18:52:07 <Stskeeps> hehe
Apr 06 22:09:34 <trem> nite all, sweet dreams
Apr 06 22:45:47 * CosmoHill keeps thinking it's wednesday
Apr 06 22:50:32 <milliams> it is in 10 minutes :)
Apr 06 22:51:01 <CosmoHill> I count it as tuesday until I go to sleep
Apr 06 23:21:16 <CosmoHill> night night
Apr 06 23:35:09 <koupsaa> hoz to setup a zifi connexion with connmand
Apr 07 02:03:57 <mu_mind> I'm running the Nokia pre-built image on QEMU, but I can't even type anything in the terminal that comes up, and it hangs when I try to shut it down... is that normal?
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