**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 14 02:59:56 2010
Apr 14 03:25:37 <cardmaster> Hi all
Apr 14 03:29:59 <steventao> hi there
Apr 14 04:04:17 <CardMaster> hi
Apr 14 06:11:34 <CardMaster> so many people but such a cold room
Apr 14 06:13:35 <Stskeeps> i like to call it the sound of crickets
Apr 14 06:26:58 <CardMaster> hi stskeeps , are you from UK
Apr 14 06:29:20 <CardMaster> of course not.. hello German
Apr 14 06:29:44 <Stskeeps> .. not that either
Apr 14 06:29:49 <Stskeeps> i'm danish, living in poland
Apr 14 06:29:49 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 14 06:30:24 <CardMaster> :O...
Apr 14 06:30:47 <CardMaster> this is it.
Apr 14 06:31:22 <CardMaster> Germany is the server location, and it has nothing related with the person.
Apr 14 07:50:06 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Apr 14 07:50:26 <Anss|> Morning
Apr 14 07:57:25 <amjad> morning
Apr 14 07:57:55 <Anss|> http://meegonews.com/2010/04/13/first-meego-ui-images-surface-at-idf/
Apr 14 07:59:45 <X-Fade> That's so yesterday...
Apr 14 08:00:01 <Anss|> it was new to me :)
Apr 14 08:52:54 <niqt> hi
Apr 14 08:53:43 <niqt> i'm in http://wiki.meego.com/Whos_who , but i joined in tow proposal groups, now i have remove from whos list?
Apr 14 09:33:12 <izico> so many people here
Apr 14 09:33:23 <izico> not imagined
Apr 14 09:33:41 * slaine checks
Apr 14 09:34:03 <slaine> hmm, yes, there is a lot for such a quiet channel
Apr 14 09:34:10 <izico> but all seems dormant accounts
Apr 14 09:34:31 <slaine> they're just waiting for the next great flame war to begin
Apr 14 09:35:03 <izico> i'd best to leave the battlefield asap now
Apr 14 09:37:07 <konttori> I think everybody is indeed waiting for some trigger event that would actually start making the meego community a reality. Looks to be slightly less people than on #maemo
Apr 14 09:37:34 <Termana> lol I can't believe he actually left
Apr 14 09:37:35 <Stskeeps> day one was supposed to be trigger event, yet not much changed :P
Apr 14 09:37:38 <X-Fade> Devices drive people in there.
Apr 14 09:37:47 <X-Fade> no device, no buzz.
Apr 14 09:38:07 <Termana> I don't think everyone is buzzing with that MeeGo xterm either
Apr 14 09:39:03 * lbt glances at #mer and grins...
Apr 14 09:41:52 <dockside> day one changed a lot
Apr 14 09:42:12 <Stskeeps> it dropped code, what else changed? P
Apr 14 09:42:18 <dockside> the amount of comunity development was multiplied
Apr 14 09:42:49 <Stskeeps> got any examples?
Apr 14 09:42:50 <dockside> before day one meego could also just aswell been vaporware
Apr 14 09:43:00 <Termana> dockside: Anything times nothing, is still nothing.
Apr 14 09:43:19 <dockside> well if i find one, it is a multiple of nothing
Apr 14 09:43:42 <Termana> If you have 0 community development, and you multiply it, you still have nothing
Apr 14 09:43:55 <dockside> there was close to nothing before, less close to nothing now
Apr 14 09:44:09 <dockside> im quite sure the qout is quite high
Apr 14 09:44:17 <Termana> dockside: -.- don't spoil the joke :P
Apr 14 09:44:26 <dockside> hehe
Apr 14 09:44:34 <dockside> well
Apr 14 09:44:47 <dockside> imo the community cant be a full community et
Apr 14 09:44:49 <dockside> yet
Apr 14 09:45:00 * lbt looks at the MeeGo Community 0BS  (and that only works if you look at that first char *very* carefully)
Apr 14 09:46:01 <Stskeeps> there can't be a full community due to the fact development is not happening in the open, architecture discussions are not happening in the open, teams are not working in the open. it isn't public r&d
Apr 14 09:46:06 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 14 09:46:14 <dockside> most devs are not interested in creating the platform, rather decorating it
Apr 14 09:46:33 <lbt> dockside: most people don't run linux
Apr 14 09:46:39 <dockside> indeed stskeep
Apr 14 09:46:40 <lbt> "most" isn't what matters
Apr 14 09:46:48 <dockside> nope
Apr 14 09:46:49 <lbt> "some" is what matters
Apr 14 09:47:05 <Termana> Stskeeps: Exactly, and wasn't all this suppose to come on day one? Or at least thats what I thought was happening, everything being opened - not just a code drop
Apr 14 09:47:24 <lbt> depends if "over the wall" is your definition of open
Apr 14 09:47:26 <dockside> yes, "some" could easily be more then the nokia/intel employees, but as stskeeps said they dont really get let in atm
Apr 14 09:47:30 <stefan_e> it will come in stages
Apr 14 09:47:41 <lbt> dockside: we're in agreement
Apr 14 09:47:49 <Stskeeps> dockside: well, there's no ways for people to show their worth atm :/
Apr 14 09:48:25 <dockside> i surely dont :)
Apr 14 09:48:40 <dockside> is there even a bugtracker open? all i found was the git repos
Apr 14 09:48:46 <Stskeeps> bugzilla.meego.com
Apr 14 09:50:38 <Stskeeps> the collaboration summit is today right?
Apr 14 09:51:05 <dockside> i cant make that list bugs lol
Apr 14 09:52:02 * Stskeeps is personally waiting for the collabration summit for any new info and then to start pointing out areas that really need improvement.
Apr 14 09:52:25 <mikhas> it is so nice that I only needed one account so far for meego
Apr 14 09:52:45 <Termana> Stskeeps: April 14-16, so yes
Apr 14 09:52:51 <Termana> Are they recording the sessions?
Apr 14 09:53:06 <Stskeeps> live video streaming at least
Apr 14 09:53:24 <Termana> I saw that theres a live stream. Not too helpful for people that won't be able to watch it though
Apr 14 09:53:39 <dockside> true :)
Apr 14 09:53:43 <Stskeeps> video recordings prolly come afterwards
Apr 14 09:54:15 <Termana> that or we'll just have to bootleg the live stream
Apr 14 09:54:38 <Termana> Do it with an actual camera and hold it at an angle so it looks bootleg authentic
Apr 14 10:12:05 <stefan_e> MeeGo Workgroup Agenda - Thursday, April 15:
Apr 14 10:12:12 <stefan_e> so it seems meego is on for tomorrow
Apr 14 10:34:39 <slaine> stefan_e: thats at the collab summit I assume ?
Apr 14 11:16:52 <slaine> Anyone here that have control over the web infrastructure for MeeGo or do we have to wait for US timezones ?
Apr 14 11:24:58 <CosmoHill> I'm having a play with the contact form
Apr 14 11:25:06 <CosmoHill> it's a nice design and does some cool things
Apr 14 11:25:17 <CosmoHill> so I'm trying to work out how to get them into my assignment
Apr 14 11:25:20 <CosmoHill> get tekojo
Apr 14 11:26:37 <tekojo> CosmoHill what?
Apr 14 11:26:42 <CosmoHill> hey*
Apr 14 11:27:14 <CosmoHill> I'm not to sure how I managed to make that type
Apr 14 11:27:29 <tekojo> :) blame qwerty
Apr 14 11:27:38 <CosmoHill> ah I see, the h, g, t and y are typed with my right hand where as the e is one the left hand
Apr 14 11:28:26 <CosmoHill> what layout do you use?
Apr 14 11:28:47 <leinir> mmm, off-by-one, bringer of much amusement and hair-pulling since well... a long time ;)
Apr 14 11:30:23 <CosmoHill> I kept misspelling egde and edge in my assignment
Apr 14 11:30:46 <CosmoHill> so I did #define egdeClass edgeClasss at the top :)
Apr 14 11:30:49 <slaine> I always mistype guint as gunit
Apr 14 11:32:52 <CosmoHill> slaine: i think tekojo might be able to help you with your meego website questions
Apr 14 11:34:31 <tekojo> CosmoHill most likely not, currently you need to wait for the U.S. to wake up
Apr 14 11:34:51 <CosmoHill> hmm
Apr 14 11:34:57 <CosmoHill> well i have a question about design
Apr 14 11:35:05 <CosmoHill> http://meego.com/contact
Apr 14 11:35:18 <CosmoHill> when you put your mouse over the inputs it changes colour, I can do this
Apr 14 11:35:26 <CosmoHill> but how do I get it to stay that colour when selected?
Apr 14 11:36:10 <tekojo> CosmoHill what browser?
Apr 14 11:36:17 <CosmoHill> I'm in firefox
Apr 14 11:36:35 <CosmoHill> I'd just like to know how to do it in CSS :)
Apr 14 11:36:47 <slaine> Well, it's more a question about why some repo's aren't available publicly
Apr 14 11:37:19 <tekojo> CosmoHill, no clue on that one. I think it's nice too :)
Apr 14 11:37:33 <CosmoHill> :£
Apr 14 11:37:35 <CosmoHill> :3
Apr 14 11:38:20 <slaine> I downloaded the kickstart file, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/repo/ia32/os/image-config/developer.ks but it won't work as the repo's it looks for aren't available
Apr 14 11:44:05 <CosmoHill> if you ever wanna scare yourself, look at the meego css file
Apr 14 11:46:33 <CosmoHill> found it
Apr 14 11:46:35 <CosmoHill> it's :focus
Apr 14 12:32:41 <th0br0> ohai everyone
Apr 14 12:32:56 <Stskeeps> moo
Apr 14 12:33:16 <amjad> hi th0bro
Apr 14 12:33:17 <th0br0> mmh... gothic 3 is rather resource intensive it appears... at least, the performance is ... not good :)
Apr 14 12:33:22 <th0br0> anyway.
Apr 14 12:33:24 <th0br0> what's up?
Apr 14 12:55:09 * CosmoHill is working on a website and copying pretty ideas from meego
Apr 14 12:57:38 <th0br0> CosmoHill: haha, i gotta do that too in a bit.
Apr 14 12:57:44 <th0br0> don't want to but the deadline is tomorrow ^^
Apr 14 12:58:11 <CosmoHill> a website or copy the pretty ideas? :p
Apr 14 12:58:17 <th0br0> the first one
Apr 14 12:58:29 <CosmoHill> I've copied the idea of the contract page for my forms
Apr 14 12:59:01 <th0br0> contract page?
Apr 14 12:59:08 <th0br0> or typo?
Apr 14 13:00:45 <CosmoHill> contact*
Apr 14 13:00:49 <th0br0> k
Apr 14 13:07:00 <CosmoHill> I was tempted to make southern jokes on the website
Apr 14 13:07:24 <CosmoHill> "Yvette's Bridal Formal, making your cousin attractive since 1980"
Apr 14 13:10:56 <th0br0> ^^
Apr 14 13:12:05 <CosmoHill> hmm
Apr 14 13:12:24 <CosmoHill> how do i get the text inside an input to be away from the left hand side
Apr 14 13:12:53 <th0br0> huh?
Apr 14 13:13:01 <CosmoHill> like a margin or a padding inside the input / textarea
Apr 14 13:13:43 <CosmoHill> i think i have it
Apr 14 13:14:33 <CosmoHill> padding :)
Apr 14 13:16:25 <townxelliot> CosmoHill: isn't there text-align:right in CSS?
Apr 14 13:16:36 <CosmoHill> there is
Apr 14 13:16:47 <CosmoHill> but i just wanted a small gap between the text and the border on the lefr
Apr 14 13:16:50 <townxelliot> CosmoHill: oh, but you just want it left-aligned but not at the edge
Apr 14 13:16:56 <townxelliot> CosmoHill: right
Apr 14 13:16:59 <CosmoHill> correct
Apr 14 13:18:36 <CosmoHill> I think I need a light blue for my forms
Apr 14 13:19:30 <CosmoHill> I've just found a sweet feature in textmate
Apr 14 13:19:49 <alden> http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/meego-gone-wild-features-detailed-companies-come-on-board-at-i/
Apr 14 13:19:58 <alden> those screenshots are mockups, right?
Apr 14 13:20:09 <CosmoHill> it lists all my CSS elerments in my code and allows me to go straight to it
Apr 14 13:20:15 <Stskeeps> alden: who nows
Apr 14 13:20:16 <Stskeeps> knows
Apr 14 13:20:38 <alden> hehe
Apr 14 13:21:06 <slaine> alden: I doubt it
Apr 14 13:21:25 <slaine> we've seen those screens before (style wise, not exactly those images)
Apr 14 13:22:02 <slaine> Moblin 2.1 for MID's had the handheld UI and Moblin-trunk in February was how the netbook UI looks in the screenshot
Apr 14 13:22:31 <Stskeeps> hmm. if i wrote up a short and sweet proposal for a policy of how meego teams/groups/wg should be operating to satisfy the distro being transparent/open in development (simple rules of conduct), how many would be interested in supporting it?
Apr 14 13:22:39 <Stskeeps> and submitting for a TSG meeting
Apr 14 13:22:46 <Termana> alden: Thats a nice starting list of companies that are supporting MeeGo (if they are correct)
Apr 14 13:22:54 <slaine> Stskeeps: depends on the content obviously
Apr 14 13:22:57 <Stskeeps> obviously
Apr 14 13:23:02 <slaine> but the secrecy has to end
Apr 14 13:23:13 <slaine> or MeeGo will wind up like Moblin
Apr 14 13:25:18 <Stskeeps> :nod:
Apr 14 13:25:54 <th0br0> Stskeeps: depends on the content, but i'd endorse it ;)
Apr 14 13:26:14 <Termana> slaine - wind up like Moblin? You mean, merged with another project to make a bigger project?
Apr 14 13:26:18 <Termana> :P I kid
Apr 14 13:26:34 <th0br0> alden: the companies are funny... half are linux distributions
Apr 14 13:28:37 <CosmoHill> http://black-flag.co.uk/files/form-green.png
Apr 14 13:28:42 <CosmoHill> what do you think of the colour?
Apr 14 13:28:56 <CosmoHill> damn, I should have shown you the whole website
Apr 14 13:28:58 <CosmoHill> brb
Apr 14 13:29:03 <niqt> http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/194087/intel_puts_googles_android_on_atom_smartphones.html
Apr 14 13:29:24 <Stskeeps> and?
Apr 14 13:29:34 <CosmoHill> http://black-flag.co.uk/files/form-green2.png
Apr 14 13:30:30 <Termana> niqt: Yes, and Intel are also teaming up with Google and Sony to make the Google TV. Intel's business is all about selling x86 processors, if you haven't noticed :P
Apr 14 13:31:00 <niqt> i don't know
Apr 14 13:31:32 * CosmoHill would like an IA-64 processor
Apr 14 13:31:40 <Termana> Mainly Atom ones it seems these days. So many products using, or waiting to use them.
Apr 14 13:32:09 <CosmoHill> tbh I wouldn't mind an ATX atom motherboard
Apr 14 13:33:01 <CosmoHill> my server is idle most of the time so something that uses little power would be good
Apr 14 13:33:27 <CosmoHill> however I heard that the chipsets that were used with early atoms used just as much power as the processor
Apr 14 13:38:59 <slaine> CosmoHill: you can get mini-itx atom boards and server chassis
Apr 14 13:39:32 <CosmoHill> I'd like ATX or mATX so that I could add RAID cards or more SATA
Apr 14 13:39:41 <slaine> ah
Apr 14 13:40:13 <slaine> well, there is an Atom NAS platform. Perhaps something like that could run Ubuntu Server or something
Apr 14 13:40:31 <CosmoHill> I've seen an ITX case that has 4 hot swap SATA drives
Apr 14 13:47:15 <CosmoHill> nifty: http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_3922.html
Apr 14 14:42:58 <TheBootroo> hello
Apr 14 14:43:01 <lbt> when's the live streaming...
Apr 14 14:44:58 <TheBootroo> have you seen the 'screenshots' of meego handheld ux released yesterday on intel IDF ?
Apr 14 14:46:46 <slaine> lbt, if you find out, let us know
Apr 14 14:47:14 <slaine> TheBootroo: why the quotes ?
Apr 14 14:47:34 <leinir> slaine: He likes bunny-rabbit-ears? ;)
Apr 14 14:47:41 <lbt> http://events.linuxfoundation.org/live/media-viewer?id=1
Apr 14 14:48:01 <TheBootroo> do someone knows if these pictures are real screenshot (so something already secretly developped) or just mockups/proposals ?
Apr 14 14:48:29 * lbt wonders if the LF noticed that time is not the same worldwide...
Apr 14 14:48:52 <pippin> lbt: doesn't everyone use UTC?
Apr 14 14:49:08 <lbt> nope... unspecified local time
Apr 14 14:49:11 <TheBootroo> http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/8537/meegohandheldui1.jpg
Apr 14 14:49:14 <slaine> TheBootroo: nothing secret about them
Apr 14 14:49:22 <TheBootroo> http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5972/meegohandheldui2.jpg
Apr 14 14:49:26 <leinir> pippin: Nah, internet time ft... well, for the something i'm sure ;)
Apr 14 14:49:26 <TheBootroo> really ?
Apr 14 14:49:39 <slaine> Look for the Moblin 2.1 for MIDs demo on youtube
Apr 14 14:49:53 <lbt> what TZ is San Francisco?
Apr 14 14:50:01 <TheBootroo> why do i find empty repos in meego gitorious in handheld ux section ?
Apr 14 14:50:25 <slaine> And the netbook UX is what was due for Moblin 2.2 and readily available upto late February via git and the moblin trunk repo
Apr 14 14:50:36 <TheBootroo> maybe the ux is being developped in moblin git instead of meego gitorious ?
Apr 14 14:50:37 <slaine> TheBootroo: Ah, thats where the conspiracy comes in
Apr 14 14:51:22 <CosmoHill> http://black-flag.co.uk/files/borderless-or-not.png what do you prefer?
Apr 14 14:51:26 <slaine> everything was taken off the web in February when they started consolidating the details for MeeGo 1.0
Apr 14 14:51:34 <TheBootroo> slaine:  i dont talk about netbook ux but handheld one
Apr 14 14:51:44 <slaine> That's never been publicly available
Apr 14 14:51:49 <TheBootroo> so
Apr 14 14:51:53 <lbt> slaine: starts in 1hr 10 mins
Apr 14 14:52:00 <slaine> it was due for public release with Moblin 2.2 iirc
Apr 14 14:52:10 <TheBootroo> these pictures are mockups not screenshot
Apr 14 14:53:50 <slaine> TheBootroo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZmkuuFKz5s
Apr 14 14:54:03 <TheBootroo> what is that ?
Apr 14 14:54:28 <slaine> a video of the handheld ui
Apr 14 14:54:46 <TheBootroo> but this is not meego, its moblin
Apr 14 14:54:57 <TheBootroo> and its not qt, its clutter
Apr 14 14:55:13 <TheBootroo> nothing common with yesterday pictures
Apr 14 14:55:34 <slaine> Nothing about Qt in yesterdays screenshots either
Apr 14 14:55:43 <CosmoHill> hmm
Apr 14 14:55:49 <CosmoHill> MOD News looks very familiar
Apr 14 14:55:52 <lcuk> TheBootroo, actually, its not just mockups
Apr 14 14:55:55 <slaine> The UX for Netbook and Handheld is clutter/MX based from Moblin project
Apr 14 14:55:59 <TheBootroo> but meego is intended to be in qt no ?
Apr 14 14:56:11 <slaine> You develop your apps with Qt
Apr 14 14:56:20 <lcuk> the screenshots seen yesterday appear to be simply evolutions of the stuff shown in this video from last year
Apr 14 14:56:33 <slaine> lcuk, that's what's got me so cross
Apr 14 14:56:39 <lcuk> whether things have been reimplmented to same spec is another matter
Apr 14 14:56:50 <slaine> In 2 months, I doubt it
Apr 14 14:56:50 <|ToArtist|> Is Esbox the meego develop Tools?
Apr 14 14:57:00 <TheBootroo> f*** i was hoping for a qt based desktop but in fact only apps are in qt ? so just like maemo 5 ?
Apr 14 14:57:17 <slaine> TheBootroo: for now
Apr 14 14:57:47 <slaine> lbt, thanks for the time info
Apr 14 14:58:27 <TheBootroo> ok so if i install meego on my n900 and i download and compile moblin handheld ux, i can get the same display as on pictures ?
Apr 14 14:59:08 <slaine> TheBootroo: eventually
Apr 14 14:59:25 <slaine> but as I said, the code isn't publicly yet
Apr 14 14:59:38 <TheBootroo> why ? isn't moblin fully open sourced ?
Apr 14 14:59:43 <slaine> ROFL
Apr 14 14:59:45 <slaine> no
Apr 14 14:59:50 <slaine> It should be
Apr 14 14:59:58 <CosmoHill> that's what meego is for :)
Apr 14 15:00:03 <TheBootroo> i'm getting tired of these pseudo-open projects ....
Apr 14 15:00:04 <slaine> But Intel and Nokia like to do big reveals
Apr 14 15:00:15 <slaine> So after Collab and IDF we might be allowed access
Apr 14 15:00:22 <slaine> it makes me sad
Apr 14 15:00:42 <slaine> Moblin never really took of as a community because we never knew what was happening
Apr 14 15:01:32 <TheBootroo> but being waiting maemo5 1.2PR, Meego 1.0 and Moblin 2.2 at the same time almost without information becomes really annoying !
Apr 14 15:01:42 <slaine> hell yeah
Apr 14 15:01:59 <slaine> Also, I was running that Netbook UI back in February
Apr 14 15:02:02 <TheBootroo> i hope meego will be completely open and transparent at least ...
Apr 14 15:02:29 <slaine> It's not there, YET. But it should be heading in that direction
Apr 14 15:02:46 <TheBootroo> when will the intel IDF end up   :p  ?
Apr 14 15:02:53 <slaine> IDF ends tomorrow
Apr 14 15:03:00 <TheBootroo> okkk
Apr 14 15:03:06 <slaine> Collab ends either tomorrorw or the day after, not sure
Apr 14 15:03:28 <slaine> There's a TSG meeting next week, so it might be opened up for then
Apr 14 15:03:37 <TheBootroo> these three pictures are the only one ever published by intel ?
Apr 14 15:03:44 <slaine> yup
Apr 14 15:05:55 <TheBootroo> is there a way to test meego preview image for N900 on my laptop using qemu ?
Apr 14 15:06:42 <CosmoHill> yes
Apr 14 15:06:44 <CosmoHill> it's on the wiki
Apr 14 15:07:45 <TheBootroo> THANKS
Apr 14 15:11:01 <CosmoHill> aaahh
Apr 14 15:11:04 <CosmoHill> don't shout
Apr 14 15:13:09 <TheBootroo> is wifi working in meego tp image for N900 ?
Apr 14 15:13:26 <andrewfblack> two questions, 1 are the little multicolored people on Meego.com like little meego mascots or something, two if 1 is yes are the images allowed to be used?  I couldn't find anything about them
Apr 14 15:15:57 <slaine> What time is the MeeGo collab talk on DawnFoster  ?
Apr 14 15:16:00 <slaine> UK time
Apr 14 15:16:29 <slaine> 2200 ??
Apr 14 15:17:05 <CosmoHill> hmm
Apr 14 15:17:24 <CosmoHill> Avast sale, -167%
Apr 14 15:17:28 <CosmoHill> that's not right
Apr 14 15:19:16 <TheBootroo> have someone already tried to build a qt4 program on meego and run it ?
Apr 14 15:19:47 <CosmoHill> there isn't a GUI on meego
Apr 14 15:19:53 <CosmoHill> not yet anyway
Apr 14 15:20:20 <TheBootroo> i know
Apr 14 15:20:39 <TheBootroo> but we can already run graphical programs since xorg is present
Apr 14 15:20:46 <TheBootroo> and qt too
Apr 14 15:23:54 <TheBootroo> so i will be the first
Apr 14 15:23:56 <TheBootroo> :D
Apr 14 15:24:26 <TheBootroo> i'm going to test my own windows manager written in qt on my  n900 running meego
Apr 14 15:29:04 <slaine> A Qt window manager
Apr 14 15:29:09 * slaine boggles
Apr 14 15:30:25 <slaine> catch you all later
Apr 14 15:30:28 <CosmoHill> cyas
Apr 14 15:37:23 <microlith> mmm
Apr 14 15:38:22 * CosmoHill got annoyed at firefox and remove it's database files
Apr 14 15:38:47 <CosmoHill> for some reason the bookmarks are still there and my history that is over 6 month old has returned
Apr 14 15:40:18 * microlith moves closer to an OK for bailing to SF tomorrow
Apr 14 15:40:28 <achipa> andrewfblack: still trying to figure out why the Maemo guy has an eyepatch and the Moblin one a hat. Or the other way round.
Apr 14 15:41:00 <andrewfblack> achipa: lol
Apr 14 15:41:32 <leinir> Because both things are considered cool by people who don't value depth perception and lack of dandruff? ;)
Apr 14 15:44:40 <achipa> we need to figure it out, so we know what to take to the next Summit, Intel/Moblin folks should wear silly hats and Nokia/Maemo guys eyepatches. Jumping (as per the image) will be reserved for the party.
Apr 14 16:55:27 <cyberkonsult> Does anyone know how to debug connman problems? (no wifi on my netbook-img)?
Apr 14 18:18:28 <Myrtti> meh. my throat is killing me
Apr 14 18:18:44 <Myrtti> also: really weird be surrounded by Finns.
Apr 14 18:22:28 <lcuk> Myrtti, you are finnish though!
Apr 14 18:22:36 <lcuk> i thought being surrounded by finns was a natural thing
Apr 14 18:22:51 <javispedro> not a finn I guess.
Apr 14 18:22:55 <javispedro> *for a finn :)
Apr 14 18:24:20 <Myrtti> lcuk: not after a month in Silicon Valley
Apr 14 18:27:24 <th0br0> haha ^^
Apr 14 18:32:01 <GAN900> Myrtti, where are you hiding?
Apr 14 18:33:15 <Myrtti> GAN900: on the left, couple seats right from the loudspeaker and palm tree
Apr 14 18:33:48 <GAN900> I'm sitting 3 rows from the back to the left center next to Texrat.
Apr 14 18:34:16 <RST38h> What are you all attending, anyway?
Apr 14 18:34:18 <Myrtti> A-HA!
Apr 14 18:34:20 <Myrtti> saw ya
Apr 14 18:34:33 <GAN900> Linux Foundation Summit
Apr 14 18:34:40 <RST38h> Ahh
Apr 14 18:34:41 <Myrtti> LF Collaboration Summit
Apr 14 18:35:06 <Myrtti> I forgot my USB male - USB male cable home :-(
Apr 14 18:35:21 <GAN900> Waiting for Ari's Keynote about MeeGo after lunch
Apr 14 18:35:32 <konttori> put out a qik feed if something interesting starts happening there
Apr 14 18:35:37 <Myrtti> my flipcam is running on fumes now
Apr 14 18:35:47 <lcuk> konttori, too late with qik
Apr 14 18:35:48 <Myrtti> konttori: they're streaming this
Apr 14 18:35:52 <lcuk> theres live feed available
Apr 14 18:35:57 <GAN900> konttori, ustream
Apr 14 18:36:00 <konttori> ah, ic. where?
Apr 14 18:37:54 <GAN900> konttori, lf website
Apr 14 18:38:09 <javispedro> http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/collaboration-summit/live-video-streaming
Apr 14 18:38:21 <javispedro> requires free registration, though
Apr 14 18:38:30 * X-Fade wonders if it is evil to post the direct link 
Apr 14 18:38:39 <javispedro> does it work for logged out users?
Apr 14 18:38:40 <javispedro> O.o
Apr 14 18:38:48 <X-Fade> Sure, it is just a ustream url.
Apr 14 18:39:10 * lcuk has a logged in stream already
Apr 14 18:40:51 <konttori> bah, can't bother to create an account.
Apr 14 18:41:11 <konttori> I'm sure I can read highlights tomorrow from some blog.
Apr 14 18:41:44 <lcuk> lots of people live blogging on twitter
Apr 14 18:42:00 <Myrtti> konttori: http://www.qaiku.com/go/6oj9/
Apr 14 18:42:02 <lcuk> texrat is gonna try a stage dive later
Apr 14 18:43:48 <frals> lcuk: i heard texrat is going on stage to start irl flamewar deb-vs-rpm
Apr 14 18:44:28 <RST38h> Suggest to him returning Texas back to Mexico
Apr 14 18:44:45 <RST38h> That will keep him distracted from the OTHER flame war...for a while.
Apr 14 18:45:24 <javispedro> frals: LIVE war.
Apr 14 18:45:28 <javispedro> twitter war -- meh.
Apr 14 18:45:33 <frals> :D
Apr 14 18:47:23 <konttori> Myrtti: thanks!
Apr 14 19:10:38 <Stskeeps> in an hour? arh damnit
Apr 14 19:10:39 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 14 19:26:25 <pepsi44> if i click on CALL in the people app on my netbook, nothing happens
Apr 14 19:26:40 <pepsi44> wrong channel, pardon
Apr 14 19:27:11 <lcuk> pepsi44, tsk tsk
Apr 14 19:34:38 <bb0xfe> a
Apr 14 19:34:57 <Stskeeps> b
Apr 14 19:35:04 <koupsa> c
Apr 14 19:36:15 <koupsa> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XEN4vtH4Ic
Apr 14 19:42:38 <Myrtti> pft.
Apr 14 19:42:46 <Stskeeps> when's the talk?
Apr 14 19:42:46 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 14 19:44:28 <Myrtti> meh
Apr 14 19:44:52 <Myrtti> flipcam keeps complaining that it's too hot
Apr 14 19:45:40 <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/4520678521/ :-<
Apr 14 19:46:08 <Stskeeps> heh
Apr 14 19:46:29 <X-Fade> Myrtti: Go get some ice :)
Apr 14 19:54:44 <GAN900> 22 minutes
Apr 14 19:58:30 <Myrtti> *sigh* I bet the flipcam won't charge in time
Apr 14 19:58:39 <Stskeeps> you're doing the streaming, Myrtti?
Apr 14 19:59:01 <Myrtti> Stskeeps: nope
Apr 14 19:59:12 <Myrtti> Stskeeps: I'm recording in HD though
Apr 14 19:59:32 <Myrtti> not that it looks any good, I'm a good 25m from the podium
Apr 14 20:06:03 <javispedro> 10 minutes?
Apr 14 20:07:14 <X-Fade> Sweet music :)
Apr 14 20:07:36 <RST38h> javispedro: just noticed: OpenTTD is not optified =(
Apr 14 20:07:53 <javispedro> RST38h: it is, how did you notice is?
Apr 14 20:08:05 <javispedro> it?
Apr 14 20:08:06 <RST38h> javispedro: run that disk usage utility
Apr 14 20:08:11 <javispedro> naah, it lies
Apr 14 20:08:16 <RST38h> oh
Apr 14 20:08:21 <javispedro> check where /usr/share/games/openttd links to
Apr 14 20:08:27 <RST38h> ack
Apr 14 20:23:57 * Myrtti holds her breath
Apr 14 20:24:15 <Myrtti> but ohmy, I'm happy I've got British accent.
Apr 14 20:29:20 <Myrtti> oof. I forgot the camera has zoom.
Apr 14 20:34:05 <dcordes> appologies for my jerky acting on here few weeks ago.
Apr 14 20:41:31 <lbt> that thing on the right looks like an openpeak phone!
Apr 14 20:43:06 <javispedro> i'm pretty sure it is
Apr 14 20:43:11 <javispedro> the newer opentablet
Apr 14 20:43:26 <lbt> yep
Apr 14 20:47:15 <lbt> rofl - great quote "I have a couple of guys who do slides for me so I guess I'm at the peak of my career now"
Apr 14 20:48:23 <Stskeeps> except the current slide is really bad
Apr 14 20:48:26 <Stskeeps> 10.2?
Apr 14 20:48:26 <Stskeeps> what?
Apr 14 20:48:45 <lbt> 2010 Q2?
Apr 14 20:49:00 <Stskeeps> maybe, but insane for versions
Apr 14 20:55:02 <Hah> Stskeeps: What was so bad on that slide ? (it was not mine ;)
Apr 14 20:55:21 <Stskeeps> Hah: well, it reminded me a bit of MacOS X versions :)
Apr 14 20:55:39 <javispedro> lol :)
Apr 14 20:55:44 <Stskeeps> and calling it 10.2 all of a sudden, while it was communicated as 1.0 before
Apr 14 20:55:47 <javispedro> Meego Leopard
Apr 14 20:56:10 <Hah> I am using one now ..
Apr 14 20:56:45 <Stskeeps> well, nothing wrong with macos :)
Apr 14 20:57:10 <Hah> Like Ari said, we will likely make mistakes ;)
Apr 14 20:57:30 <Hah> also with versioning system ...
Apr 14 20:58:49 <Hah> There will be little bit more "hierarcy" on it
Apr 14 20:59:17 <Hah> But it's better that other people reveal it when the time is right
Apr 14 20:59:55 <Stskeeps> versioning makes sense, was just surprised to see it on slides when last TSG meeting called it 1.0 :)
Apr 14 20:59:58 <w00t_> mistakes are fine so long as they're learned from
Apr 14 21:00:08 <lbt> Hah: so that bit of the roadmap isn't discussed in the open then?
Apr 14 21:00:32 <lbt> which seems odd
Apr 14 21:00:39 <javispedro> so its just a naming issue?
Apr 14 21:01:35 <lbt> it would be nice to understand which parts of the arch are being focused on and when
Apr 14 21:01:49 <Hah> Well, it more about how different gategories are introduced
Apr 14 21:02:01 <Hah> when they are
Apr 14 21:02:17 <lbt> well, I didn't see much detail on the slides ... too quick
Apr 14 21:02:44 <lbt> so yes, it'd be good to see the discussions about what blocks are done when
Apr 14 21:02:59 <lbt> to help understand too which people are working on what
Apr 14 21:03:26 <lbt> out here, for example, I have no clue who's working on ARM... so my Smart Q7 is languishing
Apr 14 21:03:47 <lbt> and don't know what the ARM kernel guys are up to etc etc
Apr 14 21:04:06 <Hah> blaim me if you will ..
Apr 14 21:04:08 <lbt> heh... have they gagged the LF guy?
Apr 14 21:04:27 <lbt> Hah: no, not at all
Apr 14 21:04:36 <Hah> I can then ask if others like to be blaimed as well ;)
Apr 14 21:04:44 <lbt> you were just talking :)
Apr 14 21:05:07 <lbt> we need to blame the team leaders who don't communicate on open lists
Apr 14 21:05:15 <lbt> maybe they can't ...
Apr 14 21:05:25 <lbt> but Ari says they can...
Apr 14 21:05:48 <Hah> Our aim is get us much of N900 specifig stuff to upstream as we can now
Apr 14 21:06:06 <lbt> BTW, what's your role if you don't mind?
Apr 14 21:06:08 <Hah> I am currently N900 project lead..
Apr 14 21:06:14 <lbt> ah
Apr 14 21:06:16 <lbt> :)
Apr 14 21:06:26 <Hah> for MeeGo
Apr 14 21:06:33 <lbt> heh, well, I'm talking with a community hat on atm :)
Apr 14 21:06:34 <Hah> @ Nokia
Apr 14 21:06:53 <lbt> right... so I should collar you from an internal PoV aswell
Apr 14 21:07:18 <lbt> with a 'nokia' hat I'm working on the internal OBS deployment and process design
Apr 14 21:07:48 <lbt> so, why aren't you lot talking on external mailing lists yet?
Apr 14 21:08:03 <lbt> can you even talk about it?
Apr 14 21:08:20 <Hah> I quess I should
Apr 14 21:08:45 <w00t_> should talk on an external ML, or should talk about it?
Apr 14 21:08:48 <GeneralAntilles1> Hah: you here?
Apr 14 21:08:54 <lbt> it would be good to see a "lead by example" there
Apr 14 21:09:13 <w00t_> lbt: definitely
Apr 14 21:09:26 <Hah> It has been bit hectic
Apr 14 21:09:38 <lbt> *nod*
Apr 14 21:09:47 <lbt> what are the barriers?
Apr 14 21:10:37 <Hah> But now it seems that eg. on kernel side things are progressing very well
Apr 14 21:10:53 <lbt> Is that happening on lkml?
Apr 14 21:11:02 <lbt> (I don't track that like I used to!)
Apr 14 21:11:15 <Hah> We still have some probrietary components
Apr 14 21:11:25 <Hah> that are hard to get rid of
Apr 14 21:11:34 <lbt> *nod*
Apr 14 21:11:42 <Hah> Sometimes reasons are legal
Apr 14 21:12:05 <Hah> sometimes we just haven't had time
Apr 14 21:12:15 <Hah> to fix obvious issues
Apr 14 21:13:06 <w00t_> Hah: there's probably also a component of it being a transitional period, and some people not knowing 'best practice' probably.. no?#
Apr 14 21:13:24 * w00t_ removes the hash
Apr 14 21:14:09 <Hah> This is now transitional period
Apr 14 21:14:50 <Hah> but I am happy that now it seems we are getting somewhere
Apr 14 21:14:55 <Hah> step by step
Apr 14 21:15:04 * w00t_ nods
Apr 14 21:15:13 <lbt> Hah: a metric for measuring success and progress:  how many development posts have been made on meego-dev
Apr 14 21:15:50 <lbt> maye your team could post an update for the TSG meeting each week?
Apr 14 21:16:16 <lbt> "Our progress towards working in the open. Barriers and Successes"
Apr 14 21:16:35 <Hah> I think we can start to make reports directly to the list soon
Apr 14 21:16:45 * lbt grins.... that'll teach you to put your head above the parapet :)
Apr 14 21:17:02 <lbt> I hope that's a constructive suggestion though
Apr 14 21:21:39 <Hah> It seems that I will miss Imad's presentation this time
Apr 14 21:21:42 <lbt> hi DawnFoster, not watching the kernel driver chats then ;)
Apr 14 21:22:11 <lbt> DawnFoster: I wanted to point you at this: http://djangopeople.net/  I'd love to see a similar meegopeople
Apr 14 21:22:31 <Hah> starts to be late here in Tampere ( actually in Pirkkala ;)
Apr 14 21:22:51 <Hah> I mean early
Apr 14 21:22:59 <lbt> Hah: indeed!   fingers crossed the recordings will be out soon
Apr 14 21:23:26 <Hah> bye
Apr 14 21:23:40 <lbt> o/
Apr 14 21:24:01 <lbt> Hah: ... and thanks for coming on here
Apr 14 21:24:25 <DawnFoster> lbt: that is cool. Let's do it :)
Apr 14 21:24:59 <lbt> DawnFoster: :)    my memory is so poor I need a personal CRM
Apr 14 21:28:30 <slaine> lbt, have I missed the meego talk ?
Apr 14 21:28:40 <lbt> think so
Apr 14 21:28:46 <lbt> I had a power cut
Apr 14 21:28:59 <lbt> caught some of Ari's talk
Apr 14 21:29:00 <GeneralAntilles1> slaine: my transcoding is in the #maemo logs
Apr 14 21:29:00 <X-Fade> Yes and no.
Apr 14 21:29:05 <GeneralAntilles1> Video will probably be up sometime
Apr 14 21:29:11 <GeneralAntilles1> Imad should be talking in a little bit
Apr 14 21:29:12 <X-Fade> Imad will come after this panel?
Apr 14 21:29:24 <GeneralAntilles1> Yeah
Apr 14 21:29:25 <GeneralAntilles1> Think so
Apr 14 21:31:11 <slaine> I thought the meego talk  was at 1:15 to 2:00 ?
Apr 14 21:31:36 <GeneralAntilles1> slaine: it was
Apr 14 21:31:39 <GeneralAntilles1> it's 2:31 now
Apr 14 21:31:45 <slaine> Ah cock
Apr 14 21:31:59 <slaine> was off by 1 hour in my calcs
Apr 14 21:32:10 <GeneralAntilles1> slaine: video will be up at some point
Apr 14 21:32:15 <GeneralAntilles1> check the #maemo logs for my transcript
Apr 14 21:34:57 <X-Fade> Yeah, typical ;)
Apr 14 21:35:07 <X-Fade> oops ;)
Apr 14 21:39:45 <trem> nite all, sweet dreams
Apr 14 21:49:40 <lbt> slaine: Imad is on now
Apr 14 21:57:18 <lbt> "the process leading up to technology selection is open"
Apr 14 21:57:36 <lbt> "The infrastructure is visible"
Apr 14 21:57:56 <X-Fade> Soon[tm]
Apr 14 21:58:03 <GAN800> lol
Apr 14 21:58:05 * lbt wonders which meego Imad is talking about :D
Apr 14 21:58:20 <lbt> GAN800: ask him when the build systems will be open
Apr 14 21:58:41 <lbt> and by "open" you mean when can *you* build a package on them
Apr 14 21:58:59 <maclaver> I suppose the plan is for the build system to be open, there is just so much stuff to release.
Apr 14 21:59:13 <lcuk> oooh slates are there now - they were missing b4 werent they
Apr 14 21:59:16 <lbt> maclaver: actually I hear things that say it isn't planned to be open
Apr 14 21:59:28 <lbt> lcuk: no. see openpeak website...
Apr 14 21:59:34 <lcuk> roger
Apr 14 22:00:03 <lcuk> unicycle UX
Apr 14 22:01:26 <maclaver> lbt: what do you hear?
Apr 14 22:01:53 <javispedro> MeeGo applicaions run on all MeeGo platforms? O.o
Apr 14 22:02:06 <lbt> comments made on here about opening the OBS "medium to long term, maybe"
Apr 14 22:02:39 <X-Fade> javispedro: If they use Qt pure, sure.
Apr 14 22:02:58 <maclaver> This was mentioned earlier, Meego compliance.
Apr 14 22:03:13 <lbt> compliance?
Apr 14 22:03:15 <X-Fade> Runs after recompile is also included in that of course.
Apr 14 22:03:19 <javispedro> yeah, but it's more like "build on all platforms", i fanything
Apr 14 22:03:21 <maclaver> It might be possible to build applications, not classed as Meego, but targeted to specific hardware.
Apr 14 22:03:49 <lcuk> is the guy in the slide writing backwards o_O
Apr 14 22:04:05 <maclaver> Ari's talk mentioned compliance framework run by the linux foundation.
Apr 14 22:04:08 <lcuk> maclaver, it better had be
Apr 14 22:04:19 <lcuk> with multitple frameworks around and arch compliance
Apr 14 22:06:31 <javispedro> there. 10.1 does no longer exist, back to 1.0
Apr 14 22:06:51 <maclaver> I am getting it too, the apparent difference between what is being said and what is actually happening.
Apr 14 22:07:27 <GAN800> maclaver: yeah. . . .
Apr 14 22:07:31 <lbt> "pump it out there" ????
Apr 14 22:07:37 <GAN800> I plan to bug people about that tomorrow
Apr 14 22:07:38 * lbt seeks a small dribble
Apr 14 22:07:40 <lcuk> "codedrop"
Apr 14 22:07:40 <maclaver> Ari and Imad say they are open and openness is important, I can take this as a statement of intent.
Apr 14 22:09:13 <javispedro> http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages
Apr 14 22:09:14 <lcuk> woooot stskeeps
Apr 14 22:09:23 <maclaver> Imad and Valtteri must have had their hands full getting all the new companies on board.
Apr 14 22:09:47 <lcuk> o_O
Apr 14 22:10:42 <lcuk> "some things"?
Apr 14 22:11:12 <slaine> Who is that guy asking the question ?
Apr 14 22:11:29 <GAN800> slaine: dunno
Apr 14 22:11:41 * lcuk doesnt care bout drivers, i understand the justifications and reasons
Apr 14 22:12:02 <slaine> where's mutter-moblin source then ???
Apr 14 22:12:18 <slaine> there's talking the talk, and there's walking the walk
Apr 14 22:12:24 <GAN800> lbt: I'll poke people about build systems at the workgroup tomorrow
Apr 14 22:12:32 <lbt> thanks GAN800
Apr 14 22:12:33 <GAN800> and the fscking branding confusion. . . .
Apr 14 22:12:42 <lcuk> why was camera man following the blone lady then o_O
Apr 14 22:12:46 <lcuk> blonde
Apr 14 22:13:21 <lcuk> which are we gonna be seeing
Apr 14 22:13:57 <lbt> mmmm  bed
Apr 14 22:15:55 <slaine> ah well, good talk by imad
Apr 14 22:16:01 <slaine> was ari's much different ?
Apr 14 22:16:48 <lcuk> different angle
Apr 14 22:30:25 <slaine> gah, late
Apr 14 22:30:27 <slaine> time for bed
Apr 14 22:30:34 <slaine> catch you all tomorrow
Apr 14 22:33:16 <koupsa> I see nothing. I am too late for the streaming ?
Apr 14 22:33:19 <koupsa> hello
Apr 14 22:33:37 <lbt> koupsa: yes, you missed it
Apr 14 22:34:46 <koupsa> arf grr :/
Apr 14 22:39:46 <AllenG> hi, quick question, what's the format of the meego-preview-netbook-core-20100330-001.usbimg? it's an ISO file?
Apr 14 22:40:53 <koupsa> yes
Apr 14 22:45:42 <AllenG> thanks for your prompt reply!
Apr 14 23:54:46 <TSCHAKeee2> saw the new screenies of Handset UX
Apr 14 23:54:57 <TSCHAKeee2> but where's the code, man?! :D
Apr 14 23:59:08 <tripzero> TSCHAKeee2, sshots?
Apr 14 23:59:10 <tripzero> link?
Apr 15 00:01:44 <TSCHAKeee2> you know, we don't see code for certain things in the source repository
Apr 15 00:02:05 <TSCHAKeee2> and then whammo, Intel decides to debut a whole bunch of UX examples at IDF
Apr 15 00:02:15 <TSCHAKeee2> if they keep doing this
Apr 15 00:02:25 <TSCHAKeee2> i'm going to start to think that we're being considered second class citizens.
Apr 15 00:08:28 <CosmoHill> was there a meeting tonight?
Apr 15 00:09:01 <TSCHAKeee2> no, it was skipped
Apr 15 00:09:09 <TSCHAKeee2> i'm really starting to think
Apr 15 00:09:13 <TSCHAKeee2> there are two different groups of people
Apr 15 00:09:20 <TSCHAKeee2> there is the commercial arm
Apr 15 00:09:24 <TSCHAKeee2> and then the community arm
Apr 15 00:09:34 <TSCHAKeee2> and the commercial arm gets all the toys first
Apr 15 00:09:46 <TSCHAKeee2> and then when they have had their fun, they drop it to us.
Apr 15 00:09:53 <koupsa> CosmoHill http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/collaboration-summit/live-video-streaming
Apr 15 00:10:27 <TSCHAKeee2> every damn embedded systems community i've ever been a part of, seems to function this way
Apr 15 00:10:42 <TSCHAKeee2> except most of the time, the community doesn't get code.
Apr 15 00:11:01 <TSCHAKeee2> i mean, it would be nice if someone could answer this
Apr 15 00:11:07 <koupsa> good night
Apr 15 00:11:34 <TSCHAKeee2> are we fated to just get code long after the fact?
Apr 15 00:11:45 <TSCHAKeee2> if so, damn it, just be fucking honest about it.
Apr 15 00:12:16 <ShadowJK> I think the idea is/was that after codedrop dev takes place in publicly visible repositories
Apr 15 00:12:38 <TSCHAKeee2> that was what was supposed to happen, yhes.
Apr 15 00:12:50 <TSCHAKeee2> so far, i don't see much of a difference
Apr 15 00:13:14 <TSCHAKeee2> under moblin, you had the Netbook UX, and some of the UXes were... somewhere else.
Apr 15 00:13:28 <TSCHAKeee2> oh look, moblin running on a phone
Apr 15 00:13:36 <TSCHAKeee2> can I see the code? .. uh.. no... sorry...
Apr 15 00:14:09 <TSCHAKeee2> halfway open bullshit
Apr 15 00:14:12 <TSCHAKeee2> :(
Apr 15 00:14:21 <TSCHAKeee2> I am irritated because i love the promise of what meego brings.
Apr 15 00:14:27 <TSCHAKeee2> sorry.
Apr 15 00:15:38 <CosmoHill> http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/repo/source/
Apr 15 00:16:07 * ShadowJK thought meego on phone was just $+xterm now :-)
Apr 15 00:16:23 <TSCHAKeee2> CosmoHill: trust me, been following the code drop.
Apr 15 01:12:16 <tripzero> TSCHAKeee2, i think most companies have to go through some approval process as a CYA before any code goes open
Apr 15 01:12:32 <tripzero> internal* approval process
Apr 15 01:13:28 <tripzero> and i think the promise of meego is to actually be more open than moblin or maemo were before it
Apr 15 01:14:23 <tripzero> but again, i doubt intel nor nokia will just throw out code without doing some diligence in making sure that code is legal
Apr 15 01:14:43 <TSCHAKeee2> tripzero: what I do _NOT_ want to happen, is to have two distinct classes of what could be construed by suits as "employees"
Apr 15 01:16:51 <tripzero> i know how you feel.  i've been on both sides of the fence myself
Apr 15 01:17:12 <TSCHAKeee2> *nod* me too.
Apr 15 01:17:23 <TSCHAKeee2> and i've been in the free software world for almost two decades now
Apr 15 01:18:11 <TSCHAKeee2> meego has a huge potential here, but they should not alienate the community that gave them a base to build upon.
Apr 15 01:18:18 <tripzero> heh, i'm just barely two decades old :P
Apr 15 01:19:40 <tripzero> TSCHAKeee2, i'm curious to know where you found screenies of the handset ui
Apr 15 01:20:19 <TSCHAKeee2> tripzero: all over, the maemo forums, the meego forums, and
Apr 15 01:20:36 * tripzero looks
Apr 15 01:20:36 <TSCHAKeee2> a few of the news sites covering the IDF
Apr 15 01:22:05 <tripzero> meh
Apr 15 01:22:14 <tripzero> i'd take any screenshots with a grain of salt
Apr 15 01:22:20 <tripzero> they could very well be mockups
Apr 15 01:23:06 <tripzero> could be real though...
Apr 15 01:37:03 <tmzt_> are there requirements to use a certain framework/toolkit?
Apr 15 01:37:11 <CosmoHill> Qt?
Apr 15 01:37:17 <CosmoHill> i duno
Apr 15 01:37:23 <CosmoHill> it's 2:40am, I don't have to know
Apr 15 01:38:03 <b-man> 9:37pm here
Apr 15 01:39:30 <tripzero> tmzt_, the toolkit for meego IIRC is Qt, with support for Gtk/Clutter as well
Apr 15 01:39:46 <tripzero> but it depends on which meego platform you are targetting
Apr 15 01:41:12 <CosmoHill> i thought clutter was being removed
Apr 15 01:54:42 <tmzt_> tripzero: is clutter also supporting gjs?
Apr 15 02:09:42 <Guest1809> Is there any document about how to use obs to build the meego? tks
Apr 15 02:23:25 <CosmoHill> cyas
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