**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 17 02:59:56 2010 Apr 17 03:25:01 h Apr 17 05:24:51 does meego still need ssse3? Apr 17 05:27:55 yes Apr 17 06:06:12 Stskeeps: ping Apr 17 06:06:17 morn Apr 17 06:07:06 Stskeeps: Good morning. I downloaded the MeeGo kernel source rpm. Do I need to apply all the patches listed in the directory or just the included .2 patch? Apr 17 06:07:36 well, see if you can apply the patches, apply yours on top, see if it builds, then we have a winner Apr 17 06:11:00 Apr 17 06:11:25 cos then we can just add your patch to the package ;P Apr 17 06:12:21 Stskeeps: Ok, I don't understand how the included patches are layed out though. Do I need to patch them all in, or only the ones that start with linux-2.6.33- Apr 17 06:15:18 They seem to be applying fine so far, so I'll just keep doing it and see from there Apr 17 06:16:07 if it breaks Apr 17 06:16:10 you get to keep both pieces Apr 17 06:16:16 so sayeth the GPL Apr 17 06:16:20 ;) Apr 17 06:16:22 lol Apr 17 06:20:03 Termana: the spec file usually tells the order Apr 17 06:20:31 * TSCHAKeee2 is about to do something really cool Apr 17 06:20:34 hehehe Apr 17 06:21:34 as it turns out, the VLC that comes with the SmartQ has the remote control interface baked in.. I'm going to use that as a basis to make a DCE device to control it, and therefore be able to originate and send media to the device from anywhere in the house. Apr 17 06:22:09 no streaming, it'll be plumbed via NFS, but preliminary tests are working just fine Apr 17 07:24:19 hi Apr 17 07:24:25 hi Apr 17 07:33:57 Stskeeps: Building, I'll let you know if it all goes well and post a patch file if it does Apr 17 08:22:34 morning Apr 17 08:24:17 morn lbt Apr 17 08:26:11 \o mornin meego Apr 17 08:36:26 * lbt prods at "osc build " Apr 17 08:41:01 I hate the :s in the OBS Apr 17 08:41:16 join the club Apr 17 08:41:43 tried putting a subdir of a project into a PATH... : seperated Apr 17 08:43:04 * lbt is supposed to fly at 7:30 on monday.... mmm Apr 17 08:43:29 tuesday evening here, and i have doubts i will be able to Apr 17 08:43:52 you should be OK ... flights resume 3pm sunday at the moment Apr 17 08:44:09 yes, but this keeps on getting prolonged Apr 17 08:44:17 woo ... syntax error in "build_mic" :) Apr 17 08:44:24 at least it's executing now :) Apr 17 08:44:45 this should make running mic2 as easy as building an OBS pkg Apr 17 08:45:03 and it'll use stuff from your OBS projects Apr 17 08:46:37 Southern Norway is still closed Apr 17 08:53:41 for all the whining, iceland feels better now that its big boil has popped Apr 17 10:01:29 Stskeeps - http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=614550&postcount=21 Apr 17 10:17:46 Termana: ta Apr 17 10:26:08 Termana: if i give you some webspace will you avoid using scary sharing sites? :P Apr 17 10:30:02 Stskeeps: lol! Only thing I had really, plus the fact it was quick and easy Apr 17 10:30:36 Except the fact that it has ads everywhere and you can hardly find the download button Apr 17 10:31:28 exactly :P Apr 17 10:35:27 "it was good except for everything bad about it" Apr 17 10:37:02 frals: :P Apr 17 10:37:08 ;) Apr 17 10:37:30 Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that about what I said :P Apr 17 10:37:36 thats* Apr 17 11:52:16 so mic2 uses dm_snapshot as part of creating live iso images... Apr 17 13:41:13 ohai everyone. Apr 17 13:41:16 hi Apr 17 13:41:20 moo Apr 17 13:42:13 =) Apr 17 13:42:18 not much activity :( Apr 17 13:43:01 I just downloaded Firefox 3.6.4 :) Apr 17 13:43:14 it's meant to be able to keep running when one tab dies Apr 17 13:44:27 I'd give google chrome a go but it won't run on my laptop Apr 17 13:46:10 I haven't had a tab dying on me before Apr 17 13:46:13 how do you do that? Apr 17 13:46:56 Flash Apr 17 14:16:32 CosmoHill: mh, true :) Apr 17 14:17:00 "I'm crashing now and taking your history with me" Apr 17 14:17:05 That one pokerpage that opens up when you download from megaupload or so... gotta close it fast or your ff freezes :) Apr 17 14:18:20 ah yes that one Apr 17 14:25:28 th0br0: was it you who said you had sparc computers or was it thiago Apr 17 14:35:47 CosmoHill: thiago Apr 17 14:39:42 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sun-Sunfire-V240-Server-2x-Ultrasparc-IIIi-2x-1-28Ghz_W0QQitemZ220588462347QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_Networking_SM?hash=item335c18d10b Apr 17 14:39:45 * CosmoHill ponders about getting that Apr 17 14:40:36 CosmoHill: why? Apr 17 14:40:41 what's so good about sparc ? Apr 17 14:41:10 I'm a developer for CLFS and one of the architextures we support is sparc Apr 17 14:41:25 ah ok Apr 17 14:41:32 and it would be nice to have something that can do GCC within 24 hours :) Apr 17 14:42:02 ;) Apr 17 14:42:22 no really my current sparc computer took about 25 hours to do gcc with tests Apr 17 14:43:46 ah ok Apr 17 14:44:09 plus it comes with free geek points Apr 17 14:45:40 true Apr 17 14:45:50 CosmoHill, depends on how you value time and sanity. Apr 17 14:50:48 Terje_: I'm single so I have both Apr 17 14:52:51 I already have x86, x86_64, powerpc, ultrasparc (slow) and a HP PA-RISC :) Apr 17 14:53:36 CosmoHill, ok, check. :-) Apr 17 14:54:02 I only got x86)64 in jan I i don't use it to much Apr 17 14:55:03 CosmoHill, hmm, aren't all Intels 64-bit nowadays? Do you mean Itanium? Apr 17 14:55:11 nope Apr 17 14:55:21 intel Core 2 Duo Apr 17 15:05:00 most xenons are too Apr 17 15:05:50 I got a Core 2 Duo in jan and that's my first 64bit x86 processor Apr 17 15:06:02 CosmoHill, so, you would have been happy with a 33bit processor Apr 17 15:06:21 yeah Apr 17 15:06:37 seems reasonable :D Apr 17 15:06:37 Your forgetting Atom chips which are generally not 64bit (though I think there is one model out that is now 64bit) Apr 17 15:07:04 to give you an idea, the last computer I got new was in 2005 Apr 17 15:07:17 since then I've been given broken computers / parts / 2nd hand Apr 17 15:07:48 my main laptop is a powerpc G4 Apr 17 15:08:01 I run on a 900 mhz ULV Celeron day-in day-out :P Apr 17 15:08:03 desktop is a P4 (non-HT) Apr 17 15:08:13 hehe Apr 17 15:08:19 my server is a 850Mhz P3 Apr 17 15:08:25 i used to run x41 clocklocked at its 600mhz powersave Apr 17 15:08:58 now the new laptop wont go that slow \@/ Apr 17 15:09:04 so wasteful Apr 17 15:09:13 my new laptop goes to 1.6Ghz in power saving mode Apr 17 15:09:19 from 2.0Ghz normal Apr 17 15:09:41 You know what you guys need Apr 17 15:09:50 if i turn off 2 of the 3 hard drives I can get my server down to 50w Apr 17 15:09:59 Termana: girlfriends? Apr 17 15:10:02 SOME UNDERCLOCKING KARNALS!!!!!oneoneone111!!!!oneone!1!!!!!one!!one Apr 17 15:10:09 CosmoHill: errr... that too Apr 17 15:11:04 Termana, its ubuntu that wont offer it Apr 17 15:11:08 im sure i could get the clock right down Apr 17 15:11:17 i used to run my amd thunderbird underclocked too Apr 17 15:12:00 Mind you, I don't think frequency is managed on x86 like it is on ARM in the linux kernel (frequency tables), but I might be wrong Apr 17 15:12:08 lcuk: change distros? Apr 17 15:12:57 i will run meego once it gets buildable on sane processors Apr 17 15:13:14 ie intel get finger out of arse and stop depending on atoms Apr 17 15:13:58 i have a big netbook Apr 17 15:27:38 will meego come with vesa support so we can have basic graphics so that we can open the web brower and download the graphics card drivers? Apr 17 15:34:40 lcuk: atoms are sane processors Apr 17 15:37:43 TSCHAKeee, a minute spec in comparison to the sheer overwhelming number of viable cpus and chipsets in the world Apr 17 15:38:28 so port the damn thing to MIPS Apr 17 15:38:32 and SH4 Apr 17 15:38:35 :) Apr 17 15:38:48 * RST38h laughs satanically at the mention of MIPS Apr 17 15:38:58 Do you want use to port it to Z80 with that? =) Apr 17 15:39:16 hey, i've designed machines with Z80s on them :P Apr 17 15:39:19 :) Apr 17 15:39:19 i can't remember if MIPS or ARM is harder to find Apr 17 15:39:33 both are everywhere Apr 17 15:39:37 although ARM is more everywhere Apr 17 15:39:38 LIES Apr 17 15:39:45 just look in your cell phone Apr 17 15:39:57 or your set top box Apr 17 15:40:14 or most recent TVs Apr 17 15:40:36 i was looking at desktop / netbook / nettop things Apr 17 15:40:39 for dev work Apr 17 15:40:42 TSCHAKeee: I think you'll find most cell phones that interest people these days are using ARM Apr 17 15:40:51 yup, that's what i said Apr 17 15:41:04 sorry, i should have pointed arrows back to ARM is more everywhere Apr 17 15:41:07 :P Apr 17 15:41:16 On a side note, look to your left and right - you'll find 2 ARMs and most people on earth have these. Lots of ARM Apr 17 15:41:21 yup Apr 17 15:41:22 MIPS is dead slow in embedded scenarios Apr 17 15:41:22 :P Apr 17 15:41:32 MIPS wasn't designed for it Apr 17 15:41:48 it spent most of its life being tuned for speed scenarios trying to compete with Alpha Apr 17 15:41:58 MIPS was designed for systems where memory clock was about the same as CPU clock Apr 17 15:42:06 *nod* Apr 17 15:42:17 In today's systems, MIPS is *PAIN* Apr 17 15:42:35 yup Apr 17 15:42:50 and yet MIPS is trying to reinvent themselves as an embedded solution Apr 17 15:43:00 and managing SOMEHOW to get into a few set tops Apr 17 15:43:39 Didn't MIPS get into some Android tablet thing thats suppose to be cheap? Apr 17 15:43:43 yup Apr 17 15:43:58 and into a scientific atlanta set top that's running android Apr 17 15:44:13 i think my router is MIPS Apr 17 15:44:31 Yes, you can build a MIPS gadget at 50-75% of the cost compared to an ARM9/ARM11 gadget Apr 17 15:44:49 But nobody will buy that slow crap, Android or no android Apr 17 15:44:51 but at 50~75% of the performace? Apr 17 15:45:07 RST38h: Not really helpful on the price part if it runs like shit Apr 17 15:51:01 Hi Guys... Is there any time frame on release date of Meego SDK? Apr 17 15:52:45 who mods comments in meego.com drupal? Apr 17 15:52:47 http://meego.com/community/events/2010/linux-foundation-collaboration-summit Apr 17 15:57:26 hi all. what about sound in n8x0 with latest kernels? Apr 17 16:01:12 another question. what bt chip is in n800(n810?). can't find. Apr 17 16:01:42 I think most routers are mips Apr 17 16:01:44 I know mine is Apr 17 16:02:02 lupine_85: did I ask you if you have been on LFS? Apr 17 16:02:51 you haven't. what's LFS? Apr 17 16:02:52 most devices in my home is mips, only IT and phone on arm Apr 17 16:02:58 linux from scratch? Apr 17 16:03:32 lupine_85: yes Apr 17 16:03:49 I had a minor play many moons ago. I don't have the time for that kind of tomfoolery these days Apr 17 16:04:08 You from florda? Apr 17 16:04:24 not even close Apr 17 16:04:41 then you're not Lupine from LFS :) Apr 17 16:10:10 can anybody explain, what difference between oldstyle omap video and dss2 in latest kernels Apr 17 16:12:57 th0br0: you know I said I downloaded firefox 3.6.4 pre-release Apr 17 16:13:25 2 and a half hours later it becomes the stable release Apr 17 17:06:09 ;) CosmoHill Apr 17 17:18:54 GAN900: i also think it's a balance of there not being a good start without a proper OS to have a project around.. hence the 'real soon now' Apr 17 17:19:16 Yeah, lot of nasty factors. Apr 17 17:19:29 huh? Apr 17 17:19:37 th0br0: continuation of discussion in #maemo Apr 17 17:19:47 ah ok Apr 17 17:19:55 GAN900: i must admit even with 'open' projects, this has been a factor too Apr 17 17:20:07 like i'm not opening up to mer^2 people, for instance Apr 17 17:20:42 isn't that easy challenge they have, i think Apr 17 17:21:44 Stskeeps, just wish there would be less noise about "open" if not. Apr 17 17:22:17 :nod: Apr 17 17:31:58 join #aws Apr 17 19:55:04 I'm confused Apr 17 19:55:16 * thiago_home gives CosmoHill a deconfuser Apr 17 19:55:21 my laptop has firefox 3.6.4 for mac, but it says copyright 2009 Apr 17 19:55:33 and 3.6.4 isn't listed on mozilla.org Apr 17 20:05:54 dammit Apr 17 20:06:01 my usb webcam stops working for no reason Apr 17 20:11:35 "This USB device will work better if you plug it into a USB 2 port" Apr 17 20:11:41 it's internal! Apr 17 20:12:51 hah CosmoHill Apr 17 20:13:02 you could upgrade to linux you know Apr 17 20:14:47 dammit Apr 17 20:14:59 my power cable was slightly out Apr 17 20:34:39 any changes someone can make a bug report out of this m.c thread: its got the basis for a patch in comments: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=441#post441 Apr 17 20:34:44 any chance Apr 17 20:35:11 it's kinda a bit of nitpicking.... Apr 17 20:35:31 not really Apr 17 20:36:17 its the principle Apr 17 20:45:32 http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/10911/run-xp-mode-on-windows-7-machines-without-hardware-virtualization/ oooo Apr 17 20:45:45 I have one of two intel processors that don't have VT in the range Apr 17 22:22:47 Whoa Apr 17 22:23:34 I remember configuring irssi for freenode and #meego, but forgot it and didn't notice until now :D Apr 17 22:24:18 Well. Hi everyone. Apr 17 22:29:05 seems to be quite quiet also at this time Apr 17 22:30:41 Jartza, lot of people recoving from the LF Summit. ;) Apr 17 22:30:46 or stuck in airports. Apr 17 22:31:35 yeah :) Apr 17 22:31:49 no use going into airport here, all closed Apr 17 22:32:30 anyone uses a non-qwerty keymap? Apr 17 22:32:42 Dvorak Apr 17 22:33:04 french people are, at least :) Apr 17 22:33:08 why'd you change to that? Apr 17 22:33:10 and german :) Apr 17 22:33:28 you pedantic SOB :p Apr 17 22:33:31 CosmoHill, easier on the hands Apr 17 22:33:43 Less movement Apr 17 22:34:09 CosmoHill: hey, I'm an instructor and a coder, what would you expect :) Apr 17 22:34:23 hehe Apr 17 22:34:38 I had my lecturer correcting spellings and grammar in my comments Apr 17 22:35:21 well done Apr 17 22:35:24 :D Apr 17 22:36:02 I'm not going to correct anyone's spellings or grammar here, at least Apr 17 22:38:10 GAN900: what keymap did you use before? Apr 17 22:39:04 I actually tried dvorak sometime around 98-99 but didn't like it, at least not the finnish mapping Apr 17 22:39:24 it was ok for english typing though Apr 17 22:39:38 i was thinking of programming Apr 17 22:39:48 I'm on qwerty now and I can touch type pretty fast Apr 17 22:40:06 I still have to think about how to spell qwerty tho :/; Apr 17 22:40:43 :) Apr 17 22:41:36 CosmoHill, QWERTY Apr 17 22:41:52 I got about 80-140 on QWERTY Apr 17 22:42:07 about 90-140 on Dvorak. Apr 17 22:42:45 Hand and wrist strain is really the reason to do it, though. Apr 17 22:43:15 i think my main wrist strain is mainly from the mouce Apr 17 22:43:33 Mmm Apr 17 22:45:29 i think if I want to give dvorak a go I should do it in summer Apr 17 22:45:45 CosmoHill, two things Apr 17 22:45:53 make sure you move your caps around Apr 17 22:46:08 and make sure you keep typing QWERTY while learning. Apr 17 22:46:19 caps? Apr 17 22:46:21 CosmoHill, that way you can type whatever's on the caps Apr 17 22:46:25 Key caps Apr 17 22:46:30 Tops of the keys Apr 17 22:46:48 If you don't have a keyboard you can move keys around then buy one Apr 17 22:47:25 I made a dvorak keyboard once but the keys were uneven Apr 17 22:47:36 I could touch type qwerty on it Apr 17 22:47:37 Because if you learn to type on a QWERTY labelled board with Dvorak in software then you wont be able to type QWERTY anymore. Apr 17 22:47:41 it was fine unless I looked down Apr 17 22:47:56 Yeah, get one with moveable keys Apr 17 22:47:57 ooo good point Apr 17 22:48:01 Jartza: i'm glad to hear there's a finnish lecturer who's concerned about spelling Apr 17 22:48:26 CosmoHill, I can type both layouts fine Apr 17 22:48:38 CosmoHill, but I can only type whatever's on the caps. Apr 17 22:48:54 Even though I touch type Apr 17 22:48:58 It's kinda weird Apr 17 22:49:03 i know what you need Apr 17 22:49:08 Das Keyboard Ultimate Apr 17 22:49:27 I have to calibrate myself whenever I change layouts. Apr 17 22:49:29 Pfft Apr 17 22:49:31 Piece of shit Apr 17 22:49:36 pckeyboard.com Apr 17 22:49:40 IBM Model M. Apr 17 22:50:02 http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_3083.html Apr 17 22:50:02 One True Keyboard :P Apr 17 22:50:27 that looks awesome but i think they might have gone a little to far Apr 17 22:50:35 for example, print screen Apr 17 23:00:58 GAN900++ Apr 17 23:01:15 I remember that keyboard from my childhood. It's like a dream. Apr 17 23:01:28 Maybe I'm idealizing it a bit too much :) Apr 17 23:03:43 timeless_mbp: well, not that much of the english spelling, although I usually try my best, even that it's not my native language :) Apr 17 23:04:44 why is a Dvorak keyboard so hard to buy >.< Apr 17 23:10:10 aaaaahhhhhhhhh Apr 17 23:11:32 bollocks Apr 17 23:29:30 GAN900: http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_3055.html ooo Apr 17 23:32:11 looks like it should be easy to convent it to dvorak Apr 17 23:46:22 * CosmoHill gives thiago a poke Apr 18 01:40:18 cyas Apr 18 01:56:32 Have the upstream developers at (I assume) Intel, Nokia, and LF done anything publicly? I don't see too much activity in this channel... Apr 18 01:57:26 orospakr, how do you mean "publicly"? Apr 18 01:58:09 Several of the engineers are on here frequently, they have tsg meetings here, code is available Apr 18 01:58:32 many discussions take place on the mailing lists Apr 18 01:58:53 They also just had a full day for MeeGo at the LF Summit in SF. Apr 18 02:00:32 excellent; I really should have looked at the lists. Apr 18 02:02:23 alas, I was only able to make it to ELC/Collab Summit last year. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Apr 18 02:59:57 2010