**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 19 02:59:56 2010 Apr 19 05:59:30 Hi all Apr 19 06:00:21 No bady home XD Apr 19 06:00:41 morning steventao Apr 19 06:00:50 did you get ARM generation working yet? Apr 19 06:01:12 No, there is still some problem Apr 19 06:01:30 right, you have the same error? 127 or something Apr 19 06:02:10 No,another problem. Apr 19 06:02:15 mm? Apr 19 06:02:17 pastebin please Apr 19 06:02:34 I got the Error -8 while loading /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static when I try to mic-chroot Apr 19 06:03:08 Wait for that. Apr 19 06:04:15 http://meego.pastebin.com/EUzesf1h Apr 19 06:04:54 Did you every see this before? Apr 19 06:05:52 what kind of OS are you running this on? 32 or 64-bit? Apr 19 06:05:58 32 Apr 19 06:06:16 fedora 12 with 32-bit Apr 19 06:06:24 ok, and what qemu-binfmt-conf.sh script did you use? Apr 19 06:06:58 I get from qemu git. Apr 19 06:07:26 can i see it? Apr 19 06:07:45 git://gitorious.org/qemu-maemo/qemu.git Apr 19 06:09:06 There is something I couldn't understand. Apr 19 06:09:27 I saw the mic-image-creator use the qemu-arm-static Apr 19 06:10:14 But I build this source code, it show me "qemu-system-*" Apr 19 06:10:53 right, so, if i give you the means to do this, will you help document it? :) Apr 19 06:12:07 sure, I am glad to do it. Apr 19 06:12:45 are you using the git version of mic2 or 0.17? Apr 19 06:12:53 0.17 Apr 19 06:13:24 right, could you grab the git version and see if this improves your situation? Apr 19 06:13:26 Where can I get mic2 ? Apr 19 06:13:38 I only saw the 0.17 version on git. Apr 19 06:13:49 hang on Apr 19 06:14:58 git://gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/image-creator.git Apr 19 06:15:00 master branch Apr 19 06:16:46 Please wait. Apr 19 06:16:53 there's a fix for the qemu things, you do not need qemu-binfmt-conf.sh for that Apr 19 06:21:11 hmm, I had tried this version this morning. Apr 19 06:21:28 Let me do it again. Apr 19 06:21:33 you need to restart to get rid of anything qemu-binfmt-conf.sh added Apr 19 06:22:43 ok, give me few mintues. Apr 19 06:37:39 bad news... Apr 19 06:37:50 same error Apr 19 06:38:00 right, mic-image-creator? Apr 19 06:38:47 I use the lastest version mic-image-creator to create loop image. Apr 19 06:39:05 and sudo mic-chroot it. Apr 19 06:39:11 hmmm Apr 19 06:40:17 any suggestion? Apr 19 06:43:12 what kernel are you running? Apr 19 06:44:00 you mean kernel version? Apr 19 06:44:09 yes Apr 19 06:44:15 on the machine you're doing it on Apr 19 06:45:23 Linux Meego.fedora 2.6.31.5-127.fc12.i686.PAE #1 SMP Sat Nov 7 21:25:57 EST 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux Apr 19 06:46:08 ok, could you try to run a mic-image-creator -a armv5 and pastebin me the exact output from it? Apr 19 06:46:20 ie, how you would generate an image Apr 19 06:49:15 mic-image-creator --config=arm-n900.ks --format=loop --cache=mycache --arch=armv5tel Apr 19 06:49:21 That's my command. Apr 19 06:49:28 looks right Apr 19 06:49:32 i'd like to see the output Apr 19 06:53:24 http://meego.pastebin.com/TUd7eT61 Apr 19 06:54:28 ok, and what happens if you mic-chroot into that? Apr 19 06:56:16 http://meego.pastebin.com/faBJP1NP Apr 19 06:56:46 ok, could you tell me the output of 'mount'? it looks like MIC2 doesn't clean up after itself Apr 19 06:57:43 It needs to reboot. Apr 19 06:57:46 wait. Apr 19 07:00:01 http://meego.pastebin.com/D0Ti64xc Apr 19 07:05:46 It Apr 19 07:05:58 hey hey Apr 19 07:06:09 It's a tough job for me. XD Apr 19 07:06:21 hey termana Apr 19 07:07:35 steventao: when you've got it working one time, it works the rest :P Apr 19 07:07:56 on a curiousity, what ARM version is the device you're targetting? Apr 19 07:08:03 armv5/armv6/armv7? Apr 19 07:08:15 armv5 Apr 19 07:08:18 alright Apr 19 07:11:19 What ARM version is the first target on Meego? Apr 19 07:11:29 it's currently built against armv5 Apr 19 07:11:45 hm Apr 19 07:12:31 there is a bit of challenge in this, because the question is also, what will application SDK build against typically Apr 19 07:12:45 because there's not much fun having an armv5 meego when all the apps people build are armv7 :) Apr 19 07:13:35 ha, indeed Apr 19 07:14:08 it's like defaulting to i386 on x86 Apr 19 07:14:40 yeah, it is workable on x86. Apr 19 07:14:40 Did the Collaboration Summit videos get released yet? (someone said that it was recorded by someone and the videos would be released soon) Apr 19 07:14:57 thiago_home: well, the question is if there's any significant performance loss, if the libraries you link with are 'i686' and your app is 'i386' Apr 19 07:15:15 hmm Apr 19 07:15:23 I'd say the VFP is mandatory, at least Apr 19 07:15:30 doesn't it change the ABI? Apr 19 07:15:36 not as far as i've seen Apr 19 07:15:41 it's possible to intermix things Apr 19 07:15:51 try calling functions that take floats as parameters Apr 19 07:16:18 thiago_home: tha abi allows intermixing softfp & hardfp Apr 19 07:16:28 I think softfp abi is used anyway? Apr 19 07:17:11 there is also a incompatible vfp-only abi, but so far it isn't widely used Apr 19 07:17:48 and it is unclear what the perfomance advantage would be - after all, you shouldn't be calling functions in shared libraries too often anyway Apr 19 07:18:09 there's a performance boost if i have an armv5 app using a vfp libm i guess? Apr 19 07:18:42 and you call sin() or sqrt() all the time, sure Apr 19 07:18:48 :nod: Apr 19 07:19:09 because i would think that for qt apps, it would be calling into the optimized libraries quite often Apr 19 07:23:07 suihkulokki: you should be calling them all the time Apr 19 08:00:25 Hi ! Apr 19 08:02:56 Hi khertan Apr 19 08:03:21 Stskeeps: I trid to modify the mic Apr 19 08:03:40 make it to use qemu-system-arm Apr 19 08:03:53 steventao: qemu-system-arm is definately the wrong one Apr 19 08:04:02 Yeah... Apr 19 08:04:16 that runs a full arm system, we just need binary emulation :) Apr 19 08:04:44 hmm... Apr 19 08:05:05 So, is there any wrong about mount? Apr 19 08:05:25 It s me or does it seems meego for netbook get an ui ? i see the moblin ui that was presented as meego Apr 19 08:05:36 steventao: it seems like your mic2 doesn't clean up after itself and unmounts /proc in the chroot Apr 19 08:06:58 hmm, what should I do? Apr 19 08:07:15 Trace the mic2 and debug it? Apr 19 08:07:38 or it's my enviorment issue? Apr 19 08:08:04 i'd debug the issue, the error you see in mic-image-creator looks like a start Apr 19 08:09:19 See, anything I could do? Apr 19 08:09:51 well, debugging it :) Apr 19 08:10:25 as I though. :p Apr 19 08:11:56 Khertan: you can run the GUI mode on qemu? Apr 19 08:12:15 steventao: no no ... Apr 19 08:12:38 steventao: i m just asking ... as i see some video from idf Apr 19 08:13:01 see. Apr 19 08:13:03 and as i m using moblin on my netbook Apr 19 08:13:31 Khertan: not much is known about the UI's atm Apr 19 08:39:42 FYI, making good progress getting mic2 running alongside kiwi Apr 19 08:40:50 cool Apr 19 09:10:21 Stskeeps: thx .. Apr 19 09:32:51 Sigh Apr 19 09:32:55 repo's still closed Apr 19 09:32:58 :( Apr 19 09:35:11 http://www.madeo.co.uk/?p=373 <<< interesting post Apr 19 09:37:07 Right now, Meego looks like a clone of Moblin and the only reason for the name change seems to be to appease the Maemo community <<< huhu Apr 19 09:40:08 Khertan: yes, this was what I was talking about last week Apr 19 09:40:15 :) Apr 19 09:40:51 I have a build from mid february of Moblin trunk that is branded as MeeGo Apr 19 09:41:18 Shortly after Brendan posted that guide. Apr 19 09:41:47 in fact i'm trying to compile tomboy on my fresh moblin 2.1 install Apr 19 09:41:55 but glib-gettext is missing Apr 19 09:42:02 so i'm looking for repository Apr 19 09:42:10 and many moblin repository are down Apr 19 09:42:18 so i'm looking for mirror Apr 19 09:42:37 but found instead some interesting post about meego/moblin merge Apr 19 09:42:38 :) Apr 19 09:43:06 http://repo.moblin.org/moblin/development/core/ <<< 404 :( Apr 19 09:44:04 you want http://repo.moblin.org/moblin/releases/2.1/ia32/os/ Apr 19 09:44:35 Khertan: what 'merge' really means will be seen only when the Harmattan alpha SDK lands Apr 19 09:45:23 achipa: yep Apr 19 09:45:48 slaine: hum ... so it s mean i need to compile glib-gettext as it s not available Apr 19 09:47:23 Khertan: it's already there Apr 19 09:47:31 yum install gettext-devel Apr 19 09:48:21 nope already installed Apr 19 09:48:27 hmmm Apr 19 09:48:31 ok ... glib2-devel :) Apr 19 09:48:37 strange Apr 19 09:48:38 :) Apr 19 09:49:11 now missing intltool ... yum yum yum yum ... :) Apr 19 09:49:57 you might want to Apr 19 09:50:01 :) Apr 19 09:50:18 sudo yum groupinstall "Development Tools" "Moblin Desktop Development" Apr 19 09:51:04 ah yes far better ! Apr 19 09:51:52 getting all necessary things (and surely more) but in time instead of 40 iteration of compile ... missing ... yum Apr 19 09:51:54 :) Apr 19 09:51:55 thx Apr 19 10:52:28 power went out for a mo >.< Apr 19 10:52:48 <.> Apr 19 10:53:05 at least my server is still onlione Apr 19 10:53:26 last time I had to reset the networking via serial Apr 19 11:01:23 rawr Apr 19 11:01:27 i missed out a line of code >.< Apr 19 11:28:02 Stskeeps: aren't the images supposed to be updated weekly ? Apr 19 11:28:23 slaine: ask the release team Apr 19 11:28:29 which is who? Apr 19 11:28:40 beats me, tell me when you know Apr 19 11:28:40 :P Apr 19 11:28:42 exactly Apr 19 11:29:11 I'm pretty sure on Day 1 it was announced that we'd have weekly snapshots Apr 19 11:29:16 I could be wrong Apr 19 11:29:21 :nod: Apr 19 11:29:30 mail about it if you find a source Apr 19 11:29:46 I was about to and thought I'd better check Apr 19 11:29:52 Does it sound familiar to you though ? Apr 19 11:30:22 i would look at TSG meeting minute Apr 19 11:30:22 s Apr 19 11:33:04 dammit Apr 19 11:33:13 * Cosmo[PB] sheepishly asks Apr 19 11:33:25 how do i input a whole line in C++? Apr 19 11:37:09 Cosmo[PB]: getline maybe? http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/iostream/istream/getline/ Apr 19 11:37:29 i have getline(cin, playerDesc); and it's not working :/ Apr 19 11:44:13 Stskeeps: I can only find a question from you asking about the weekly snapshots Apr 19 11:45:07 slaine: mmkay Apr 19 11:45:15 rawr Apr 19 11:45:26 I haven't found where the weekly thing was originated from Apr 19 11:47:52 i have it working no Apr 19 11:47:53 now Apr 19 11:48:34 slaine: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/ Apr 19 12:00:35 Stskeeps: it doesn't say anything about the images being updated weekly Apr 19 12:01:09 true Apr 19 12:01:13 well, at least the repo should be Apr 19 12:01:17 and i'm not sure it is :P Apr 19 12:02:37 Stskeeps: sort by date shows that it is Apr 19 12:02:48 18th April being the latest date Apr 19 12:02:58 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/repo/source/?C=M;O=D Apr 19 12:03:23 k Apr 19 12:03:26 arm too? Apr 19 12:16:32 ohai ppl Apr 19 12:17:02 Cosmo[PB]: if using c++ -> std::cin >> mPlayerDesc; Apr 19 12:17:03 ? Apr 19 12:17:32 can also be applied to ints etc. Apr 19 12:17:45 oh you got it working ;) Apr 19 12:20:25 what i had was Apr 19 12:20:27 cin >> name Apr 19 12:20:35 getline(cin, description) Apr 19 12:20:52 the first worked and the 2nd was skipped Apr 19 12:20:59 yep Apr 19 12:21:16 i think i need to flush the first input Apr 19 12:21:23 for what? Apr 19 12:21:35 i don't get your point at least... Apr 19 12:21:41 hold on Apr 19 12:21:56 take a look at http://www.java2s.com/Code/Cpp/Console/cintoread.htm Apr 19 12:23:21 http://linuxfromscratch.pastebin.com/TS99KmbE Apr 19 12:23:37 oops Apr 19 12:24:02 you mean the car part? Apr 19 12:24:06 yes Apr 19 12:24:20 output is Apr 19 12:24:21 What car do you have? Apr 19 12:24:21 Car: You have a Apr 19 12:25:00 if both inputs are getline it works Apr 19 12:25:11 if the first is cin >> the next getline is skipped Apr 19 12:26:05 reason is that cin only eats the input buffer up to the \n, but the \n still remains. Apr 19 12:26:31 so i'd need to flush cin? Apr 19 12:27:04 std::cin.ignore(INT_MAX); std::cin.clear(); Apr 19 12:27:16 although I'd just not mix up the stream operators and getline Apr 19 12:27:32 I'm sticking with getline Apr 19 12:27:45 why? that's so c'ish ;) Apr 19 12:28:18 I have 3 weeks to finish this so I'm getting a bit twitchy Apr 19 12:28:59 what is your current status? Apr 19 12:29:16 and how complete does the game have to be? Apr 19 12:29:33 you can create a player, he can move between locations, take and drop items from those locations Apr 19 12:29:54 i need to add the interface and non-playing charcters Apr 19 12:30:05 scripted characters? Apr 19 12:30:16 pretty much Apr 19 12:30:18 oh right you are only allowed to use the STL Apr 19 12:30:33 or do you have to write some simple script stuff yourself? Apr 19 12:30:40 erm Apr 19 12:30:41 well Apr 19 12:30:49 as far as i know they just give you a hint Apr 19 12:30:58 who? stl? Apr 19 12:31:09 like "try climbing up" Apr 19 12:31:22 my characters Apr 19 12:31:33 ah ok. Apr 19 12:32:39 i need to wizz out and get some credit for my phone, back in 10 Apr 19 12:34:22 k Apr 19 12:34:47 heya timeless_mbp; what's "mbp" for anyway? Apr 19 12:35:21 macbook pro Apr 19 12:35:38 ah ok Apr 19 12:35:53 dammit where are my keys! Apr 19 12:36:01 found them :3 Apr 19 12:40:30 ^^ CosmoHill Apr 19 12:47:35 now i should have free texts evenings and weekends for the next month Apr 19 13:12:29 CosmoHill: so how much time of the next 3 weeks will you be able to work on the project? Apr 19 13:12:36 s/of/during/ Apr 19 13:12:36 th0br0 meant: CosmoHill: so how much time during the next 3 weeks will you be able to work on the project? Apr 19 13:12:43 s/work/spend/ Apr 19 13:12:43 th0br0 meant: CosmoHill: so how much time of the next 3 weeks will you be able to spend on the project? Apr 19 13:13:08 well i have no job and about 12 hours of uni Apr 19 13:13:12 2 of which is programming anyway Apr 19 13:13:15 each week? Apr 19 13:13:21 12 hours a week yes Apr 19 13:13:31 I also have 3 other assignments Apr 19 13:13:39 that's sorty little, but 3 other assignments is much. Apr 19 13:13:45 what do you have to do for them? Apr 19 13:14:01 one of them is make a 20 page website and write 1500 words for it Apr 19 13:14:24 basically find the extra pages, make sure they all work and look the same, brower testing then write up the design Apr 19 13:14:58 another one is group design and that's going nicely Apr 19 13:15:11 20 page website o.O? you do weird assignments for computer science / computing;; purely html or are you free to use some other framework? Apr 19 13:15:30 the last one is project management where i have no idea what to do or what they want Apr 19 13:15:36 html + css + JS Apr 19 13:15:54 a waste of time IMO Apr 19 13:16:02 k. well, don't you do the project mangament by clearly writing out some project order, structure, roadmap etc for your rpg? Apr 19 13:16:10 yeah, webdesign is kinda. Apr 19 13:16:17 it's like design of the internet that I did last year but with whole extra FIVE WEB PAGES Apr 19 13:16:42 project management is completely seperate Apr 19 13:16:48 ah ok Apr 19 13:17:18 I need to find out how much it will cost to 1, buy software, 2, develop it, 3, outsource and what finnatal benifits it will bring Apr 19 13:17:36 sounds sorty boring / annoying Apr 19 13:17:43 i have no sence of scale Apr 19 13:18:00 does the company spent £100 on software or £100,000 Apr 19 13:18:15 aren't you free to decide that by yourself? Apr 19 13:18:31 I am pretty much Apr 19 13:19:20 * CosmoHill removes the word "motherfucker" from his assignment Apr 19 13:19:41 huh? :D Apr 19 13:20:07 ********************************************************** Apr 19 13:20:07 Welcome to hell motherfucker. Apr 19 13:20:07 Name: Jon Apr 19 13:20:22 s/hell /hell, / Apr 19 13:20:26 ;) Apr 19 13:20:42 it's one way to grab the lecturer's attention Apr 19 13:20:43 but yah, might not be very appropriate. Apr 19 13:21:13 mind sending me your current project? (just out of curiosity) Apr 19 13:21:16 I had this on my web design assignment Apr 19 13:21:17 http://www.machall.com/view.php?date=2006-05-15 Apr 19 13:21:56 hahaha, that's funny :) Apr 19 13:22:07 i doN't really get it Apr 19 13:22:30 but the drawing style is nice Apr 19 13:22:47 I cropped it so it was only the bottom right Apr 19 13:23:09 ah, but you got some minus points? Apr 19 13:23:31 I changed it before submission Apr 19 13:23:37 but the only demo still has it Apr 19 13:23:38 ah ok ^^ Apr 19 13:23:48 I got an A overall Apr 19 13:24:00 *online Apr 19 13:24:14 btw can you get dcc th0br0 ? Apr 19 13:24:18 uh Apr 19 13:24:30 CosmoHill: what uni is this? Apr 19 13:24:40 Anglia Ruskin Apr 19 13:24:46 CosmoHill: i can Apr 19 13:24:52 outside of US ... figures Apr 19 13:25:05 ;) Apr 19 13:25:25 CosmoHill: can't connect to you Apr 19 13:25:33 * CosmoHill burns his ISP Apr 19 13:25:39 ;) Apr 19 13:25:41 rather your firewall tho Apr 19 13:25:52 that's next Apr 19 13:26:32 ^^ Apr 19 13:26:53 you're in europe right? Apr 19 13:26:56 germany. Apr 19 13:27:09 oo Apr 19 13:27:20 wow that's depressing Apr 19 13:27:22 why? Apr 19 13:27:31 I opened my assignment folder and it's empty Apr 19 13:27:42 huh? Apr 19 13:28:06 I opened my project managment folder and there was nothing in it Apr 19 13:28:16 IE I've done no work on it Apr 19 13:28:22 ^^ Apr 19 13:28:22 which i have done but on another laptop Apr 19 13:29:50 * CosmoHill points to the PM Apr 19 13:31:51 haha, i see which demo you meant ;) Apr 19 13:32:07 :) Apr 19 13:32:54 * CosmoHill wonders how you teach someone to RTFM Apr 19 13:33:04 duh, disgusting. Apr 19 13:33:04 http://jwz.livejournal.com/1224702.html Apr 19 13:33:50 are you jbz? Apr 19 13:33:52 eeh jwz Apr 19 13:33:59 no Apr 19 13:34:00 lbt: if i go blind by the end of the artical I'm blaming you Apr 19 13:36:10 CosmoHill: just disable the style -> view -> style - > no style Apr 19 13:39:23 right, i should get back to learning for tomorrow's driving test Apr 19 13:39:45 * CosmoHill imminently wonders who old th0br0 is Apr 19 13:39:57 16 years of age, at least, the last time i counted ;) Apr 19 13:40:07 son of a bitch Apr 19 13:40:11 i thougth you were in your mid 20s Apr 19 13:40:12 why? Apr 19 13:40:20 xD Apr 19 13:40:26 no, unfortunately not. Apr 19 13:41:25 does that mean I've been asking a kid for help with my programming? :o Apr 19 13:41:32 heh Apr 19 13:41:42 Well, if you want to look at it this way ... feel free to do so. Apr 19 13:41:43 meh oh well Apr 19 13:41:45 * Stskeeps was giving advice at 15 Apr 19 13:42:20 th0br0: as long as you know what you are talking about I don't care about your age :) Apr 19 13:42:47 good. Apr 19 13:42:56 th0br0: you're one year older than my car Apr 19 13:43:08 your car is 15 years old and still working o.O? Apr 19 13:43:09 (but hopefully in better condition) Apr 19 13:43:20 ok. Apr 19 13:43:39 what can I say, we get a new car when it's deaad Apr 19 13:43:50 "we" is? Apr 19 13:43:54 parents Apr 19 13:43:56 ok Apr 19 13:44:02 dad can drive my car Apr 19 13:44:07 but I can't drive his Apr 19 13:44:18 That's the beautiful thing about insurances ... ;I) Apr 19 13:44:21 something about a full tank not increasing it's value Apr 19 13:45:07 wait, if you're 16 shouldn't you be in school? Apr 19 13:45:10 if a phone is at 'idle' ... would bluetooth use the most power? Apr 19 13:45:36 it does increase power useage Apr 19 13:45:41 shouldn't bluetooth be deactivated when the phone is in idle mode? Apr 19 13:45:56 but i think it would use more if it was connected to something rather than listening for devices Apr 19 13:45:58 I had it on and my battery was draining like nuts ... Apr 19 13:46:17 I can kill my Sony K800i in 10 hours from full battery ^.^ Apr 19 13:46:41 CosmoHill: school times in germany aren't like in england ... like, you normally have school from 7:45 to 13:00 (at my school) and also sometimes in the afternoons up to 17:00 but right now i don't have school. Apr 19 13:46:43 bluetooth + 3G = >.< Apr 19 13:47:06 there's a 7:45 in the morning? :o Apr 19 13:47:07 just why is 3G so heavy on the battery? Apr 19 13:47:16 because the transmitter needs moar power? Apr 19 13:47:21 no idea Apr 19 13:47:30 this was a solid connection Apr 19 13:47:41 15 hours constant use a day Apr 19 13:47:54 (i ended up running it off a charger somewhere near my laptop) Apr 19 13:48:03 :) Apr 19 13:48:05 th0br0: yet another reason to burn my ISP Apr 19 13:48:14 tell me Apr 19 13:48:33 ISP cut us off for 4 days Apr 19 13:48:53 after we finally convinced them that I'm nor a moron and that my router works fine they sent out an engineer Apr 19 13:49:13 or probably fixed it with 5 mins of arriving Apr 19 13:49:22 within* Apr 19 13:49:35 until then I used my phone as a modem for my laptop Apr 19 13:50:31 CosmoHill: shouldn't you get a credit or something? Apr 19 13:50:37 or rather money back? Apr 19 13:50:50 since your laws are more sane than ours Apr 19 13:50:52 that means phone them and dealing with them Apr 19 13:51:08 small claims court? Apr 19 13:51:24 no point, it was something like £2.50 we'd get back Apr 19 13:51:42 CosmoHill: was this a business connection? Apr 19 13:52:19 CosmoHill: complain loud enough, you might get a free month ;) Apr 19 13:53:07 home connection Apr 19 13:53:31 slavik: only if isp and mobile provider are the same Apr 19 13:54:04 they wanted us to phone from a mobile at about 50p a min Apr 19 13:58:07 have you already covered databases, CosmoHill? Apr 19 13:58:11 or is that not part of your curriculum? Apr 19 13:59:00 i have Apr 19 13:59:07 MSSQL and MySQL Apr 19 13:59:43 database theory and algebra sucks, aight? Apr 19 13:59:55 * CosmoHill shurgs Apr 19 14:00:00 ok ^ Apr 19 14:00:05 5 weeks planning, 20 mins implementation Apr 19 14:00:14 huh? Apr 19 14:00:16 databases? Apr 19 14:00:19 yeah Apr 19 14:00:25 it took me 20 mins to create the tables Apr 19 14:00:30 and a long time to plan them Apr 19 14:00:38 well, yeah... more or less... er diagrams, normalisation... su~cks Apr 19 14:01:12 gets your mind into it tho Apr 19 14:01:17 true. Apr 19 14:01:49 therefore it doesnt suck, its just long winded Apr 19 14:02:09 well, admittedly, it's not as boring as algorithms. Apr 19 14:02:33 although even algorithms can be fun from time to time Apr 19 14:03:57 * CosmoHill wonders were th0br0 leans all this stuff Apr 19 14:04:49 school. Apr 19 14:05:00 advanced course in computer sience, at least, that's the rough translation. Apr 19 14:05:08 and parts of it also out of personal interest. Apr 19 14:05:10 damn Apr 19 14:05:15 sounds awesome Apr 19 14:05:24 I did IT :( Apr 19 14:05:36 well done, you can use MS office, you're prepared for the world! Apr 19 14:05:41 exam about the scary steven king clon Apr 19 14:05:43 clown Apr 19 14:06:03 well, it is ... theory. god damn theory ;) I'm not someone who likes theory. Apr 19 14:06:06 But yeah, it's nice. Apr 19 14:06:24 i go back to uni tomrorow Apr 19 14:06:47 for how long? Apr 19 14:06:53 14:41:59 up 141 days, 15:50, 1 user, load average: 0.16, 0.18, 0.08 :) Apr 19 14:06:58 3 more weeks Apr 19 14:07:01 ok Apr 19 14:07:12 is that your server or some laptop which you are constantly hibernating? Apr 19 14:07:15 I have an exam on the 1st of june Apr 19 14:07:18 server Apr 19 14:07:44 k Apr 19 14:09:43 my server is 10 years old :o Apr 19 14:09:52 well some of it is Apr 19 14:11:57 http://black-flag.co.uk/files/server/DSC_0284.JPG :) Apr 19 14:12:15 aw Apr 19 14:14:52 dammit Apr 19 14:15:02 I closed one tab and the whole program quit Apr 19 14:16:02 hmm. does anyone know a free uk-proxy to watch snooker from bbc?-) Apr 19 14:16:43 nope Apr 19 14:16:48 koivula: :D Apr 19 14:16:55 * CosmoHill goes to the BBC and watches the snooker Apr 19 14:16:59 oo better idea Apr 19 14:17:01 * CosmoHill tunes into bbc2 Apr 19 14:17:09 hey Tumi_ Apr 19 14:17:11 you should work and not watch tv :P Apr 19 14:17:20 blow me :p Apr 19 14:17:24 hey cosmo! what's up? Apr 19 14:17:38 Tumi_: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/AV/sub-no-grill.jpg :D Apr 19 14:17:52 suits with macbook ;) Apr 19 14:17:56 th0br0: if i don';t have a break I'll go nuts Apr 19 14:18:02 or start speaking in C++ Apr 19 14:18:08 Tumi_: I have a powerbook :D Apr 19 14:18:28 :D Apr 19 14:18:40 and a MDD powerbook Apr 19 14:18:44 *powermac Apr 19 14:18:50 and a quicksilver powermac... Apr 19 14:18:53 c++ is nice. Apr 19 14:19:02 and a sawtooth powermac...and a blue and white powermac... Apr 19 14:19:30 sooner or later my furniture will be based round computers Apr 19 14:20:15 I've managed to drop mine to 4 \o/ Apr 19 14:20:38 all the G4 ones have had PSU failure :( Apr 19 14:20:45 and the mobo / cpu went on the mdd Apr 19 14:21:03 it was a dual 1.25Ghz processors Apr 19 14:22:02 why don't you throw the no longer owrking ones out? Apr 19 14:23:06 i know i should Apr 19 14:23:22 ..but they look so cute! Apr 19 14:26:41 qt-ness is not an argument :P Apr 19 14:28:40 i can see 10 computers from where I am sitting Apr 19 14:28:53 not including laptops or the ones under my bed Apr 19 14:29:05 did you pay for them? Apr 19 14:29:19 some of them Apr 19 14:29:55 right Apr 19 14:29:57 server and desktop are spare parts / upgrades Apr 19 14:30:04 Needless to ask whether a girl is living under the same roof ;) Apr 19 14:30:05 laptop was new parts Apr 19 14:30:09 ;) Tumi_ Apr 19 14:30:24 My wife would kill me if I had one more computer. Apr 19 14:30:29 Tumi_: actually if you close the cupboard you can only see two Apr 19 14:30:32 how many do you have<ß Apr 19 14:31:01 CosmoHill, you have cars on your windowsill :D Apr 19 14:31:12 yeah ^.^ Apr 19 14:31:20 imo it's all about how u make ur wife see the computers. As long as I can explai to my girlfriend what that computer is good for she's okay with it Apr 19 14:31:21 they're just there, they've always been there Apr 19 14:31:23 th0br0: me? four which of one is at work usually Apr 19 14:31:27 k Apr 19 14:32:14 * CosmoHill is single Apr 19 14:32:23 whoever says "no surprise there" gets a punch Apr 19 14:32:23 btw, patentabsurdity.com Apr 19 14:32:36 Votan: yep, that's true.. an in my case both of us being on IT business helps a lot to prove a point ;) Apr 19 14:32:47 CosmoHill: 10 computers ... and you paid for some of them Apr 19 14:32:53 CosmoHill: no surprise there :P Apr 19 14:32:56 CosmoHill: Tumi_ already did that ;) Apr 19 14:33:06 yeh I bet htat helps. I got the advantage that I am into politics and can sell u basically anything for beeing a good thing Apr 19 14:33:08 :> Apr 19 14:33:34 for the 4 powermacs I paid £15 for the first one Apr 19 14:33:44 omg, Macs?! Apr 19 14:33:46 that's like 30USD ... !!! Apr 19 14:33:58 way too much for a Mac imo Apr 19 14:34:02 sunblade was £50 ( £25 + £25 postage) Apr 19 14:34:13 ooh sunblade ... Apr 19 14:34:23 Votan: :D Apr 19 14:34:32 Votan: i agree. Apr 19 14:34:40 the operating system isn't even worth the 30€ i paid for it... Apr 19 14:34:43 desktop was a mix of my current desktop and one my friend gave me + spare parts Apr 19 14:34:45 yay, finally, normal people :) Apr 19 14:35:16 powerbook was a present from my parents for getting into 6th form (look it up) Apr 19 14:35:29 Votan: i do have hackintosh ehre though, as i do windows and linux ... just ... i need hackintosh (or windows) for some stuff and i prefer hackintosh over windows as it's more unix-like Apr 19 14:35:38 the intel laptop was given to me from a firend and £100 to repair Apr 19 14:35:45 (stop me if you want too) Apr 19 14:35:50 th0br0 I have to admit i got a gaming rig running win7. Apr 19 14:35:55 * timeless waves hello Apr 19 14:36:00 hi timeless Apr 19 14:36:02 lo timeless Apr 19 14:36:18 Votan: well, yeah, my 2k5 dell here is running winxp for gaming and uh, other game-intrusive actions. Apr 19 14:36:25 this computer isn't reachable via dns anymore :( Apr 19 14:36:55 th0br0 yeh, well ... u dont get around windows for recent games if u do not stick to id soft or unreal stuff :/ Apr 19 14:37:12 * lcuk always thought timeless was in a blackhole, now its confirmed Apr 19 14:37:16 Votan: not true; if you want to play ue3 you gotta run windows, too. Apr 19 14:37:21 valve are porting games to mac Apr 19 14:37:24 oh ? ok Apr 19 14:37:28 timeless: domain expiry it seems Apr 19 14:38:14 have any of you actually seen my bed room? Apr 19 14:38:21 i hope not. Apr 19 14:38:23 Votan: the port was never released Apr 19 14:38:36 CosmoHill: yeah, i'm looking forward to that. complete OGL port of the source engine(s) Apr 19 14:38:36 th0br0 sucks, so they broke withtheir crossplatform tradition :( Apr 19 14:38:41 Votan: more or less, but yeah. Apr 19 14:39:45 w00t_: thanks for the hint Apr 19 14:39:50 * timeless_mbp tries to place a phone call Apr 19 14:40:48 * w00t_ nods Apr 19 14:41:02 which domain? Apr 19 14:41:03 lcuk: the mbp is misleading you. It's not Massive Blackhole Position Apr 19 14:41:11 meego.com :Y Apr 19 14:41:22 huh Votan? it's working here... Apr 19 14:41:29 j/k Apr 19 14:41:31 k Apr 19 14:41:32 i dunno what domain :) Apr 19 14:42:03 achipa, time stops when you enter a black hole Apr 19 14:42:21 therefore the only way timeless can actually be timeless is if hes in a black hole Apr 19 14:42:25 lcuk: time needs to exist to be able to stop Apr 19 15:25:33 hey DawnFoster Apr 19 15:26:25 hey CosmoHill Apr 19 15:26:59 DawnFoster: congrats on the Collab summit Apr 19 15:27:05 seems to have worked a treat Apr 19 15:27:47 slaine, thanks! I was really happy with the MeeGo track at the CollabSummit. Apr 19 15:28:26 I managed to miss Ari's talk due to mixup on the time diffs, but I caught Imads, which was good as he covered mostly the same stuff but from a different angle, I believe Apr 19 15:29:58 i may have accidentally knocked out the power cable Apr 19 15:48:23 OgMaciel: hey Apr 19 15:48:42 hey shaunm Apr 19 15:49:29 OgMaciel: is there anything I should look at in the next ten minutes? Apr 19 15:50:20 an agenda or something? Apr 19 15:50:32 shaunm: yup... lemme grab that for you Apr 19 15:50:57 http://wiki.meego.com/L10n_meeting_schedule Apr 19 15:51:00 shaunm: ^^ Apr 19 15:51:31 shaunm: we should be one of the first items in the ToDo list Apr 19 15:52:14 thanks Apr 19 15:52:23 you bet Apr 19 16:01:01 16:00 uTC Apr 19 16:01:17 Mon Apr 19 16:01:17 UTC 2010 Apr 19 16:01:24 mlfoster: ^^ Apr 19 16:47:09 cock sucking netgear whore >.< Apr 19 16:48:16 ok, CosmoHill, let's keep it clean here :) Apr 19 16:48:35 sorry Apr 19 16:48:42 :) Apr 19 16:48:59 do we have offical rules on swearing? Apr 19 16:49:37 I don't think we have any official rules on swearing. Apr 19 16:50:15 I think we can use our best judgment Apr 19 16:50:28 Official rule is you have to file a bug each time. Apr 19 16:50:33 * thiago points out that common sense is not that common Apr 19 16:50:45 GAN900: file? How about *fix* one? :-) Apr 19 16:50:52 thiago: i has a question for you Apr 19 16:50:59 It's impossible for a person who lives in a world bounded by uncountable amount of rules. Apr 19 16:51:00 CosmoHill: shoot Apr 19 16:51:06 thiago, not everybody is a developer. :) Apr 19 16:51:07 DawnFoster: hey, how was LCS? Apr 19 16:51:16 GAN900: not all bugs are code issues :-) Apr 19 16:51:37 thiago: do your sparc computers have serial management ports? RJ45 thingies Apr 19 16:51:45 thiago, true, but many of THOSE require access rights or are severely limited in number. Apr 19 16:51:55 CosmoHill: no clue. They are upstairs in the data room. Apr 19 16:51:57 I don't have a key Apr 19 16:52:20 hmm Apr 19 16:52:22 and RJ45 is network, not serial... Apr 19 16:52:35 GAN900: then people should refrain from swearing :-) Apr 19 16:52:36 actually it's just a cable Apr 19 16:52:48 More of a socket Apr 19 16:52:52 or plug Apr 19 16:52:56 thiago: aww, they don't let you play with the toys? ;) Apr 19 16:53:02 Thiago: the LCS was great. We had a pretty full room for the MeeGo workgroup & the sessions went well Apr 19 16:53:05 you can use serial to RJ45 adapters Apr 19 16:53:07 w00t_: they do. I have root access. Apr 19 16:53:14 w00t_: I don't need to access it physically. Apr 19 16:53:19 thiago: eeexcellent. :-) Apr 19 16:53:21 DawnFoster: cool. Apr 19 16:53:22 any mic2 people in here? Apr 19 16:53:32 * CosmoHill hands w00t_ a ginger cat Apr 19 16:53:32 DawnFoster: did you get to meet with my colleague, henrik? Apr 19 16:53:38 I'm guessing we had about 75 people in the MeeGo track (did anyone get a count)? Apr 19 16:53:47 i know you wanted white but this is the best i can do for such short notice Apr 19 16:54:04 DawnFoster, no, but that was about my guess, too. Apr 19 16:54:19 thiago: i can't remember if I talked to him or not, but I really liked his session. Apr 19 16:54:24 DawnFoster: cool Apr 19 16:54:29 he's still stuck in the US though Apr 19 16:54:44 yeah, everyone is. Huge bummer Apr 19 16:54:57 or extra long meego development meeting :) Apr 19 16:55:12 if everyone is stuck there make the most of it and have move meetings :) Apr 19 16:55:14 yeah, I guess he's doing some work, evangelising QML somewhere Apr 19 16:55:16 Segway tours at the Wharf are a great way to kill time. ;) Apr 19 16:55:43 * CosmoHill looks outsidee Apr 19 16:55:55 okay I'm pretty sure that's ash and not a cloud Apr 19 16:56:20 clear skies over norway, air traffic is allowed Apr 19 16:57:14 where's my memory card reader.... Apr 19 16:57:20 found it :) Apr 19 16:57:40 Nokia is organising bus tours now. From Finland to the UK, via Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Germany, then Eurostar Apr 19 16:57:53 ouch Apr 19 16:57:54 haha :D Apr 19 16:58:06 i heard eurostar was £500 a ticket today Apr 19 16:58:11 diversifying ;) Apr 19 16:58:15 How about a virtual meeting? Apr 19 16:58:38 oh, new email. Turns out Eurostar is full. The bus is taking a ferry to the UK. Apr 19 16:58:49 time to head Apr 19 16:59:02 The royal navy is sending ships http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/04/19/volcano.ash/index.html?hpt=T2 Apr 19 16:59:11 wait, germany to eurostar? Apr 19 16:59:11 and it will take a ferry from Helsinki to Stockholm, or drive to Talinn and then go to Stockholm Apr 19 16:59:19 * Jaffa is on a ferry on Friday night (from Dunkerque); but still holds out some hope for the delayed flight tomorrow afternoon Apr 19 16:59:24 CosmoHill: Brussels, I forgot belgium Apr 19 16:59:34 what about france? Apr 19 16:59:35 thiago: I'm in Stockholm; I could've grabbed a lift with Nokians Apr 19 16:59:58 Zeikko: it's about people stranded Apr 19 17:00:10 * thiago has had two workshops cancelled already, one this week and one the next Apr 19 17:01:02 thiago: well they can have virtual meetings with their families, doh :P Apr 19 17:01:14 :| Apr 19 17:01:53 puh, the webcam stream of the volcano is down Apr 19 17:02:52 thiago: ah, so people are in the wrong place in the beginning :) Apr 19 17:03:22 * thiago points out that both workshops cancelled were MeeGo-related Apr 19 17:03:34 Jaffa, what happened with london event Apr 19 17:04:00 sp3000: sounds like a great idea indeed :D Apr 19 17:05:48 Volcano kills MeeGo Apr 19 17:05:55 GAN900: no... Apr 19 17:06:00 but it does delay the Qt 4.7 release Apr 19 17:06:06 our webkit people are stuck in the US Apr 19 17:06:11 Jaffa, thanks for the issue! ;) Apr 19 17:07:31 Mmm . . . how helpful of Nokia to text me my travel info. Apr 19 17:07:32 lcuk: Both Fredrik Wendt and I missed it. Apr 19 17:07:49 thiago: Fortunately, I'm stuck on client site; so it's not too bad Apr 19 17:07:56 GAN900: More content contributors needed. Apr 19 17:08:02 GAN900: Fleshing it out is easy (ish) Apr 19 17:08:10 Jaffa, yeah. Apr 19 17:08:20 We need more incentives. Apr 19 17:08:22 * Jaffa was trying to recruit RevdKathy Apr 19 17:08:55 to? Apr 19 17:09:01 jaffa were you holidying in stockholm or working? did work extend your stay/add extra for return trip etc Apr 19 17:09:02 "contributed by ..." maybe Apr 19 17:09:08 http://mwkn.net Apr 19 17:09:09 for those interested... Apr 19 17:09:21 Hekla has just started producing signs of smoke Apr 19 17:09:37 lcuk: Working. Here with 5 colleagues. Apr 19 17:09:43 thiago: Oh, that's Not Good. Apr 19 17:10:06 GAN900: On each item? Apr 19 17:10:31 hello Apr 19 17:11:14 Jaffa, yeah Apr 19 17:11:31 Jaffa, at least you get your name in the issue, then. Apr 19 17:13:39 * GAN900 picked up a lot of screen scratches somewhere in SF. Apr 19 17:16:56 from the news: "At least 'Hekla' is a lot easier to pronounce than “Eyjafjallajökull.”" Apr 19 17:19:02 don't forget Katla Apr 19 17:19:14 Katla erupts after Eyjafjallajökull like clockwork Apr 19 17:19:54 * thiago thinks pronouncing [ˈɛɪjaˌfjatlaˌjœːkʏtl̥] isn't very hard Apr 19 17:20:02 aside from the pitch accent in the first syllable Apr 19 17:20:46 (after hearing several times the file from wikipedia, of course) Apr 19 17:21:08 thiago: The problem is that people don't realise it's really three words ;) Apr 19 17:21:13 * CosmoHill is getting twitchy cos of ebay Apr 19 17:22:34 thiago: An Icelandic volcanologist said that Eyjaf... "tickles" Katla. Apr 19 17:25:12 http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/ash2.jpg Apr 19 17:29:58 thiago: yeah, i'm realling looking forward to Katla Apr 19 17:30:30 it would be funny, if that volcano erupted, too Apr 19 17:30:39 think of the economic impacts... Apr 19 17:30:54 multiple airlines closing down due to bankrupcy Apr 19 17:31:10 s/bankrupcy/bankruptcy/ Apr 19 17:31:11 th0br0 meant: multiple airlines closing down due to bankruptcy Apr 19 17:40:46 and i also just do so very much love these doom-bringer forums such as http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread562355/pg1 Apr 19 17:45:30 th0br0: *giggles* They bring many lulz, yes :) Apr 19 17:46:40 =) Apr 19 17:47:32 although the concern regarding an eruption of Katla is justified, i doubt the atmospheric results presented there Apr 19 17:47:38 and right now, we've got a nice volcanic sunset here :)= Apr 19 17:48:37 Someone needs to go on that forum and just start talking about how great it will be to have Iceland not mess up the world economy any longer or something suitably flame-baitey like that ;) Apr 19 17:49:43 leinir: have you seen the ransom note? Apr 19 17:50:08 thiago: do you know if they have to use special sun DB9 to RJ45 adapters or could you use cisco console cables? Apr 19 17:50:15 leinir: http://pondus.no/Gerilja/Island-stor-ball/ Apr 19 17:50:31 CosmoHill: I don't know. I don't admin those machines. Apr 19 17:50:34 CosmoHill: I build Qt on them. Apr 19 17:50:44 :( kk Apr 19 17:50:58 thiago: *giggles* Brilliant one, yeah :) Apr 19 17:51:15 svuolera linked it in the cafe the other day ;) Apr 19 17:52:43 translated, thiago? Apr 19 17:53:07 ... 30 billion € Apr 19 17:53:15 th0br0: "ransom note" Apr 19 17:53:16 .... islandic ambassadors? Apr 19 17:53:27 .. ... volcano! Apr 19 17:53:34 translate it for me? =) Apr 19 17:53:43 "put 30 bn € in the trash can in the icelandic embassy and we'll turn off the volcano. Don't call the police." Apr 19 17:54:02 that's not icelandic, actually. That's Norwegian/Danish with some letters changed. Apr 19 17:54:08 and "-ja" after the verbs Apr 19 17:54:15 leggja and ringja Apr 19 17:54:22 oh right, that's no ! after the € but an i Apr 19 17:54:31 legg -> put Apr 19 17:55:37 islendska -> islandic; ambasadins -> embassy; ... ring -> ring; polisin -> police... well, i just don't get the I natt, og ... one Apr 19 17:56:02 "tonight" Apr 19 17:56:12 og = "and" Apr 19 17:56:25 and = "duck" :P Apr 19 17:56:47 yeah, well, and, "ente" (german)... kinda similar Apr 19 17:57:44 pippin: yes :-) Apr 19 17:57:48 gosh, i should scan those goddamn documents and e-mail or fax them instead of waiting for the flights to continue :S Apr 19 18:06:19 * CosmoHill dances cos he's figured out he can use a cisco console cable Apr 19 18:06:24 ^^ CosmoHill Apr 19 18:06:38 ebay is so stress full >.< Apr 19 18:06:51 why? Apr 19 18:07:14 as far as it goes they might as well be selling me magic in a box Apr 19 18:07:34 it's ultrasparc so it's hard to find fixes for Apr 19 18:10:16 hola... alguien habla español?? Apr 19 18:10:20 si Apr 19 18:10:34 pero no se si puedo ayudar-te Apr 19 18:10:36 hola th0br0.... tengo una pregunta... Apr 19 18:10:56 descargue la imagen de meego... y quiero probarla... tengo un pendrive... que debo hacer? Apr 19 18:11:10 es una buena pregunta uh... Apr 19 18:11:14 dame un momento. Apr 19 18:11:21 can we run meego off a usb stick right now? Apr 19 18:11:47 soy novel en linux...... asi q no tengo ni idea de que debo hacer.... Apr 19 18:12:00 th0br0: yes Apr 19 18:12:14 Zeikko: some tutorial? Apr 19 18:12:39 or just dd the image to the usb stick? Apr 19 18:12:46 that's it Apr 19 18:13:07 Worked for me atleast Apr 19 18:13:11 ok Apr 19 18:13:46 th0br0: instructions for using image on usb stick: http://moblin.org/documentation/test-drive-moblin/using-moblin-live-image Apr 19 18:13:57 these should still work for meego images Apr 19 18:14:50 Fiel: tienes que utilisar dd para copiar la imagen sur el pendrive Apr 19 18:15:04 eeh, "sobre el pendrive" Apr 19 18:15:32 dd es un comando de linux? Apr 19 18:15:36 si. Apr 19 18:16:08 uh, conoces el camino por el pendrive? Apr 19 18:16:20 Zeikko: dd it to the whole stick or just a single partition? Apr 19 18:16:21 pues mas o menos.... dejame ver.... y te digo.... Apr 19 18:16:40 gracias Apr 19 18:16:42 puedo lanzar meebo como live cd o no me deja? Apr 19 18:17:19 no se. Apr 19 18:17:21 Can memory stick be partitioned? Apr 19 18:17:24 creo que no. Apr 19 18:17:32 yes Zeikko but nvm, already found the answer. Apr 19 18:17:37 Okay Apr 19 18:18:13 Fiel: entonces, tienes que hacer "dd bs=4096 if= of=") Apr 19 18:18:32 Th0br0.... gracias!!!!! Apr 19 18:18:33 (pero sin el > y el ) ;) Apr 19 18:18:55 si puedes hablar un poco ingles, puedes tambien visitar esta liga... http://moblin.org/documentation/test-drive-moblin/using-moblin-live-image Apr 19 18:19:06 y de nada :) si tienes problemas, preguntame. Apr 19 18:19:28 sabes pq no puedo correr meebo en modo live cd? Apr 19 18:19:50 can meego be run off a live cd already? Apr 19 18:19:51 * tripzero wonders if he is in the right channel Apr 19 18:20:03 oh you are tripzero Apr 19 18:20:11 oh, good :P Apr 19 18:20:16 he just happened to be asking whether someone can talk spanish. Apr 19 18:20:19 en este momento tengo en mi netbook... instalado.... una version de linux (creo q esta basado en debian) modificado por HP para que se use la multimedia e internet de pc Apr 19 18:20:20 th0br0, live-usb, yes Apr 19 18:20:24 ahh, okay Apr 19 18:20:26 tripzero: but not live-cd, right? Apr 19 18:20:32 right Apr 19 18:20:36 afaik Apr 19 18:20:42 ok tripzero Apr 19 18:21:30 es una HP mini 1100..... y luego cuando entra al groub... puedo escoger entre win 7 (q corre relento en el pobre pc) o ubuntu netbook remix..... Apr 19 18:21:41 Fiel: no se pq pero solo puedes utilisar meego en modo live usb (o tambien puedes instalarlo pero no es una buena opción por que meego no tiene mucha funcionalidad) Apr 19 18:21:51 ^^ Apr 19 18:21:59 si, ubuntu es basado en debian Apr 19 18:22:30 pero es q aparte de ubuntu.... hay una distribucion de debian... modificada por HP.... cargar super super super super rapido Apr 19 18:22:33 como en 4 segundos Apr 19 18:22:55 ah bueno, no lo conozco Apr 19 18:22:57 desde ella puedo usar internet ver videos y escuchar musica Apr 19 18:23:07 la traia la netbook Apr 19 18:23:28 es solo para internet y multimedia... no permite hacer mas nada... ni siquiera instalar aplicaciones Apr 19 18:23:34 ah bueno ;) Apr 19 18:25:04 th0br0... de donde eres? Apr 19 18:25:35 alemania Apr 19 18:26:03 (pero hay 2 anos, pasé un mes en ecuador) Apr 19 18:26:18 Feeling like I should have paid more attention in high school spanish class :) Apr 19 18:26:24 ;) DawnFoster Apr 19 18:26:44 well, i actually spent a month in ecuador; otherwise my spanish skills would be significantly worse. Apr 19 18:27:34 unless you practice them in real situations, learned languages rarely stick Apr 19 18:27:39 true Apr 19 18:27:48 hablas muy bien español.... Apr 19 18:27:52 gracias :) Apr 19 18:29:49 th0br0.... tengo un problema con la instruccion dd Apr 19 18:29:54 esta es la instruccion q puse Apr 19 18:30:25 dd bs=4096 if=/home/fiel/Descargas/Meego/meego/meego-preview-shcdk-core-20100330-001/meego-preview-shcdk-core-20100330-001-sda.bin of=/media/JUSTO Apr 19 18:30:32 y me dice que JUSTO es un directorio Apr 19 18:30:34 ah no :) Apr 19 18:30:40 justo es el nombre como se llama el pendrive Apr 19 18:30:52 DawnFoster, that's the problem with US language education. Apr 19 18:31:08 por favor, que es la emisión de "mount | grep JUSTO" ? Apr 19 18:31:16 There aren't a lot of places in the country where it's easy and convenient to practice immersively. . . . Apr 19 18:31:26 GAN900 absolutely agree with that Apr 19 18:32:14 le di la instruccion mount | grep JUSTO..... y me sale Apr 19 18:32:27 uh... Apr 19 18:32:55 ah si, sin las " por favor Apr 19 18:33:06 me sale /dev/sdb1 Apr 19 18:33:10 Fiel: bueno. Apr 19 18:33:13 eres root? Apr 19 18:33:21 tengo q correrlo con sudo? Apr 19 18:33:21 GAN900: true, that's my impression from reading ajatt.com , too Apr 19 18:33:30 si.. tengo un usuario con privilegios de root Apr 19 18:33:40 Fiel: haces: "sudo umount /dev/sdb*" (sin las ") Apr 19 18:33:56 o... hay data sur el pendrive que necesitas? Apr 19 18:34:11 no.... esta limpio Apr 19 18:34:20 The language education isn't particular better or worse than anywhere else, it's just hampered by students only practicing in class. Apr 19 18:34:22 bueno Apr 19 18:34:44 le di la instrucion con sudo Apr 19 18:34:57 y debe estar haciendolo pq el pendrive esta encendido el led Apr 19 18:35:23 th0br0... has instalado meebo ??? Apr 19 18:35:24 I had Spanish K-12 and I've forgotten almost all of it in the last 4 years Apr 19 18:35:27 Never used it Apr 19 18:35:50 Fiel: non. pero despues eso, tienes que hacer "sudo dd bs=4096 if=/home/fiel/Descargas/Meego/meego/meego-preview-shcdk-core-20100330-001/meego-preview-shcdk-core-20100330-001-sda.bin of=/dev/sdb" (sin las ") Apr 19 18:35:51 Although my auditory comprehension actually went way up (relatively) after BCN Apr 19 18:36:01 va tener algunas minutos Apr 19 18:36:06 GAN900: BCN? Apr 19 18:36:45 th0br0, barcelona long weekend Apr 19 18:37:05 ah ok lcuk Apr 19 18:37:23 th0bro... gracias... ya termino el proceso Apr 19 18:37:26 voy a probarlo Apr 19 18:37:39 puedes darme tu correo.... por si tengo alguna otra duda? Apr 19 18:37:41 mucha suerte Apr 19 18:37:44 o como puedo hacer para contactarte despues Apr 19 18:37:52 aqui? Apr 19 18:38:06 estaras aqui? Apr 19 18:38:13 th0br0, maem.org Barcelona Long Weekend in December last year. Apr 19 18:38:25 creo que si Apr 19 18:38:25 oops Apr 19 18:38:27 GAN900: ah ok. Apr 19 18:38:30 what lcuk said Apr 19 18:38:42 GAN900: didn't know that it was meego-related tho Apr 19 18:39:25 th0br0, MeeGo wasn't a public thing in Decemberf Apr 19 18:39:37 GAN900: sorry, maemo Apr 19 18:39:41 those names are confusing Apr 19 18:40:00 bueno th0br0.... gracias por la ayuda.... voy a probar el meego... a ver como me va Apr 19 18:40:02 gracias!! Apr 19 18:40:08 th0br0, yeah, it was a sort of ad-hoc local thing that turned into a lot more. Apr 19 18:40:15 GAN900: how so? Apr 19 18:41:37 GAN900, my first thought was to simply say bacon Apr 19 18:41:43 th0br0, some local people decided to set up a Maemo meetup on a bank holiday and then a documentation, l10n and developer UX tracks got added on, Nokia flew out their UX/UI team, some Forum Nokia/Qt people and a bunch of community folks. . . Apr 19 18:42:04 lcuk, didn't you hear? Bacon is bad for your heart. Apr 19 18:42:25 cool :D Apr 19 18:42:43 GAN900, ill keep that in mind Apr 19 18:42:49 but first, time for a blt Apr 19 18:56:02 DawnFoster: hi, are the slides from meego workgroup already available? Apr 19 18:57:15 hi everybody) Apr 19 18:57:22 hi Apr 19 18:58:05 aloisiojr: I'm going to follow up with people today and try to get them posted Apr 19 18:58:32 DawnFoster: ok :) thanks Apr 19 19:10:47 hola Apr 19 19:11:01 th0br0...... no me funciona.... :( Apr 19 19:11:16 la pc se queda quieta.... no hace nada..... Apr 19 19:16:21 th0br0... estas? Apr 19 19:17:46 regreso al rato Apr 19 19:19:30 )) Apr 19 19:22:24 fiel oh Apr 19 19:22:25 :S Apr 19 19:22:48 hola Apr 19 19:22:55 debería usar meego o moblin? Apr 19 19:23:30 Ugh Apr 19 19:23:35 Contruction Apr 19 19:23:41 just gets better Apr 19 19:23:47 Construction* Apr 19 19:23:51 Oops Apr 19 19:23:54 wrong channel Apr 19 19:23:55 uh, creo que moblin es mejor por el momiento. pero cuando hay meego 1.0 ; la netbook ux fuere el moblin 2.2 Apr 19 19:23:58 GAN900: ^^ Apr 19 19:24:22 gracias Apr 19 19:24:26 meego es estable por el momento? Apr 19 19:24:50 no, es mas o menos una version para los productores Apr 19 19:24:53 s/para/por/ Apr 19 19:24:54 th0br0 meant: no, es mas o menos una version por los productores Apr 19 19:25:08 (and just why is everyone starting to talk spanish tonight ... ;) ) Apr 19 19:25:10 ah vale Apr 19 19:25:13 usare moblin pues Apr 19 19:25:47 si, es la mejor opcíon presente Apr 19 19:26:10 , Apr 19 19:26:26 pst? Apr 19 19:26:28 eeh postmanPechkin? Apr 19 19:26:37 . Apr 19 19:26:42 postmanPechkin: UTF8! Apr 19 19:26:57 foger Apr 19 19:27:05 huh? Apr 19 19:27:06 about it Apr 19 19:27:09 k Apr 19 19:27:53 is there a l10n meeting today? Apr 19 19:28:21 haataja - it was a few hours ago Apr 19 19:28:31 doesn't look like it ;) Apr 19 19:28:35 ok Apr 19 19:28:36 l10n Minutes:        http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-04-19-15.57.html Apr 19 19:28:43 thanks Apr 19 19:30:35 oof. Apr 19 19:30:40 I was fast asleep then Apr 19 19:31:17 DawnFoster: I assume Margies mail address is of the usual first.last@intel form? Apr 19 19:32:25 DawnFoster: meeting bot working OK for the various meetings - any improvements needed? Apr 19 19:33:12 Myrtti, think so. Apr 19 19:33:34 * CosmoHill didn't win the bid :( Apr 19 19:33:53 myrtti - yes it is Apr 19 19:34:16 stskeeps - seems to be working just fine. It's a huge help! Apr 19 19:34:20 good :) Apr 19 19:34:24 Stskeeps, i would like to see less duplicate spam lines as the same quesiton/answer/#undo is performed inline with the meeting itself Apr 19 19:34:42 the end result of it is great - really streamlined Apr 19 19:34:55 lcuk: i think if meeting participants made it a habit to prefix some of their answers, things would be less messy Apr 19 19:35:23 participants in the live meeting and even the organisers shouldnt relaly need too much boiler plate Apr 19 19:35:29 :nod: Apr 19 19:35:37 difficult for a bot to distinguish between signal and noise Apr 19 19:35:44 when i have the multiple tiled windows open (questions/meeting/meego) i have a small window Apr 19 19:35:54 so it scrolls off quicker Apr 19 19:36:59 hola de nuevo Apr 19 19:37:45 buenas fiel Apr 19 19:38:34 creo que fue un error mio.... descargue la imagen de meego que no era Apr 19 19:38:35 entonces, no se por que no functiona ... el pendrive tiene bastante espacio de memoria por el imagen, si? Apr 19 19:38:47 si.. el pen drive es de 4 gigas Apr 19 19:38:50 ah ok Apr 19 19:39:00 pero es q descargue por error un archivo q no era Apr 19 19:39:25 en este momento estoy en la biblioteca de la U... pero ya van a cerrar... asi que me voy a casa... la descargaré desde alla Apr 19 19:39:30 y luego... probare Apr 19 19:39:35 ok Apr 19 19:39:36 con el comando que me dijiste Apr 19 19:40:00 permaneces en este canal th0br0? Apr 19 19:42:13 ya debo irme... gracias por la ayuda th0br0.... Apr 19 19:42:19 cualquier cosa volvere aqui por si te veo Apr 19 19:42:26 ok Apr 19 19:44:59 i was outbid by £40 Apr 19 19:46:34 :) CosmoHill Apr 19 19:46:48 wrong channel but meh Apr 19 19:59:15 any idea, what are the key topics in next TSG? Apr 19 19:59:33 haataja_, should say on the wiki page. Apr 19 19:59:50 tried, but failed.. Apr 19 20:00:09 haataja_: agenda should be up latest ~24 hours before meeting Apr 19 20:00:48 http://wiki.meego.com/TSG_meetings#Next_TSG_meeting Apr 19 20:03:23 Stskeeps: link is ok, but info is quite limited :) Apr 19 20:03:27 yeah, i agree Apr 19 20:03:38 * Stskeeps is hoping for parts of the backlog going in and obviously, his own proposal Apr 19 20:06:29 where do i submit a proposal for a section of the meeting - it would be good for everyone in meeting to spend 5/10 minutes going over their best bits of the collab summit - it should draw questions from community and since the moderators were there can also get involved - it might break up the time a little better? Apr 19 20:07:04 premeeting smalltalk so to speak! Apr 19 20:07:32 lcuk: i add it to backlog, the moderation happens as TSG chooses what backlog items to pull in for an agenda, so Apr 19 20:08:30 lcuk: wiki page Apr 19 20:08:35 ok cool - its not anything more than an ice breaker Apr 19 20:08:57 and this week especially people have different takes on getting back Apr 19 20:09:07 is quim even in .fi yet? Apr 19 20:09:21 quim is still in sfo Apr 19 20:09:27 talked to him a few min ago Apr 19 20:09:39 btw, we're working on the tsg agenda Apr 19 20:09:50 sfo? Apr 19 20:10:04 san francisco? Apr 19 20:10:08 lcuk - tsg is really mostly for decisions, so probably not likely to make it as an agenda item Apr 19 20:10:15 ok dawn Apr 19 20:10:22 th0br0: sorry, San Francisco :) Apr 19 20:10:37 DawnFoster: well, there could be worse places to get stuck than SF :) Apr 19 20:10:56 was just thinking of a way to get to know a bit more the participants - we all get the chance to talk here during the weeks Apr 19 20:11:50 * GAN900 hopes for another lucky last-sear seat-assignment Apr 19 20:12:11 lcuk - I like the idea of it. but we need to find a way to do it outside of the tsg Apr 19 20:12:21 * lcuk nods Apr 19 20:13:35 they should just participate in the talk in here... Apr 19 20:15:44 th0br0, +30 Apr 19 20:15:49 i think participation is more likely when we're at cruising altitude though Apr 19 20:16:04 elaborate? Apr 19 20:16:41 i.e., the backroom wheelin' and dealin' is done with Apr 19 20:16:50 and "open" actually means open. Apr 19 20:17:33 true. Apr 19 20:18:50 all right, driving theory test tomorrow :S see you tomorrow i guess Apr 19 20:19:21 best of luck th0br0 Apr 19 20:19:29 haha, thanks. i'll actually need that. Apr 19 20:19:52 between me doing the theory test and the pratice the theory test and the highway code changed :o Apr 19 20:20:06 ^^ Apr 19 20:20:09 right, ttyl Apr 19 20:20:14 cyas Apr 19 23:33:04 after doing yum update on the meego codedrop on my n900, I seem to have no mouse nor mouse device files - should udev create these yet? Apr 20 00:01:16 I've set my nokia to go off at 10:30am every workday Apr 20 00:01:26 let's see if it still works next monday Apr 20 00:06:04 night night Apr 20 00:06:22 later, CosmoHill **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Apr 20 03:00:03 2010