**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 20 03:00:03 2010
Apr 20 07:35:25 <steventao> Hi all
Apr 20 07:36:05 <Stskeeps> morning
Apr 20 07:36:30 <steventao> afternoon in TW :p
Apr 20 07:36:50 <steventao> The problem is fixed.
Apr 20 07:37:09 <Stskeeps> cool :)
Apr 20 07:37:18 <Stskeeps> what was the issue?
Apr 20 07:37:43 <steventao> Some error about qemu-arm-static register.
Apr 20 07:37:47 <Stskeeps> :nod:
Apr 20 07:38:56 <steventao> Could we run the X ?
Apr 20 07:39:01 <Stskeeps> Xorg's there
Apr 20 07:39:15 <Stskeeps> try to grab xorg-x11-driver-fbdev i think
Apr 20 07:39:41 <steventao> hmm.
Apr 20 07:40:10 <Stskeeps> xorg-x11-drv-fbdev
Apr 20 07:42:29 <Stskeeps> oh, right, it should be there already
Apr 20 07:42:32 <Stskeeps> try to run Xorg &
Apr 20 08:09:44 <steventao> Sorry, just on phone.
Apr 20 08:10:32 <steventao> No, there is an error.
Apr 20 08:10:53 <steventao> Xorng is fail to run.
Apr 20 08:10:58 <steventao> Xorg
Apr 20 08:11:13 <Stskeeps> could you pastebin Xorg.0.log?
Apr 20 08:13:21 <steventao> http://meego.pastebin.com/UqZqCPdi
Apr 20 08:13:56 <sp3000> or, a video shot from above where you raise your fists and scream XOOOOORRRRRGGghh
Apr 20 08:14:26 <Stskeeps> steventao: ah, you probably need to install xorg-x11-drv-intel
Apr 20 08:16:20 <steventao> I use yum but I can't find that.
Apr 20 08:17:07 <steventao> Should I use rpm to install it?
Apr 20 08:17:54 <Stskeeps> http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/repo/ia32/os/i586/xorg-x11-drv-intel-2.11.0-1.3.i586.rpm should be there
Apr 20 08:19:32 <steventao> I should use http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/repo/arm/os/armv5tel/xorg-x11-drv-intel-2.10.903-3.1.armv5tel.rpm
Apr 20 08:19:43 <steventao> Is it?
Apr 20 08:20:25 <Stskeeps> well, you're on a x86 machine it looks like
Apr 20 08:20:28 <Stskeeps> so i586 probably
Apr 20 08:22:58 <steventao> but it is arm image. It confuse me.
Apr 20 08:23:21 <Stskeeps> hmm :P
Apr 20 08:23:38 <Stskeeps> [ 88380.547] (--) PCI:*(0:0:2:0) 8086:2e32:17aa:304f Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller rev 3, Mem @ 0xfe400000/4194304, 0xd0000000/268435456, I/O @ 0x0000dc00/8
Apr 20 08:28:46 <Stskeeps> then you prolly need the intel driver i guess, but no idea if that runs
Apr 20 08:28:52 <Stskeeps> on armv5tel
Apr 20 08:29:27 <steventao> hmm..
Apr 20 08:29:39 <steventao> I just install the driver
Apr 20 08:29:57 <steventao> And there are some new error messages :p
Apr 20 08:30:07 <Stskeeps> hehe
Apr 20 08:30:58 <steventao> http://meego.pastebin.com/nZ3ugepj
Apr 20 08:32:46 <Stskeeps> no idea sorry, didn't meet this chipset before
Apr 20 08:34:24 <steventao> See, thx the help.
Apr 20 08:54:44 <zenvoid> woo, intel chipset on ARM boards, not even know they existed
Apr 20 08:57:25 <Stskeeps> 2700G maybe
Apr 20 08:57:52 <Stskeeps> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_2700G
Apr 20 09:03:16 <Khertan> Hi !
Apr 20 09:04:14 <drzz> Hey Khertan
Apr 20 09:06:49 <sri_> where can i change my init to boot directly onto login shell wihtout X?
Apr 20 09:07:03 <Stskeeps> inittab i guess
Apr 20 09:07:25 <sri_> stskeeps: what value i have to set for it?
Apr 20 09:07:38 <slaine> set the default to 3
Apr 20 09:08:11 <slaine> 3 == MultiUser console + Networking, 5 == 3 + X
Apr 20 09:09:03 <sri_> its already set to 3 and is trying to start x
Apr 20 09:09:45 <slaine> is this a default setup or have you been twiddling ?
Apr 20 09:09:45 <sri_> it was set as "id:3:initdefault:"
Apr 20 09:10:02 <sri_> i didnt changed anything
Apr 20 09:10:04 <slaine> and further below, what does it seay that level 3 does ?
Apr 20 09:10:29 <sri_> 3 - Full multiuser mode
Apr 20 09:10:50 <sri_> 5 - X
Apr 20 09:11:05 <slaine> lbt, nice email
Apr 20 09:11:29 <slaine> sri_: further down, there should be a program path
Apr 20 09:15:06 <sri_> slaine: didnt get you....where can i find the program path?
Apr 20 09:15:49 <sri_> by default, if i extract meego rootfs to SD card and try to boot, does it start GUI?
Apr 20 09:16:02 <slaine> For n900, yes
Apr 20 09:16:06 <slaine> for x86 no
Apr 20 09:17:17 <sri_> i am using rootfs from http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/n900/images/meego-codedrop-arm-n900-201003311626.tar.gz
Apr 20 09:17:27 <slaine> there you go then
Apr 20 09:17:43 <slaine> I'm not sure about the arm fs setup, It should be the same as x86
Apr 20 09:17:56 <Stskeeps> it isn't, you might have to cut some /etc/rcX.d things
Apr 20 09:17:57 <sri_> yes its same
Apr 20 09:17:58 <slaine> it's probable that it was short circuited to run X
Apr 20 09:18:05 <sri_> oh okay
Apr 20 09:18:58 <sri_> stskeeps: but as initrc has value 3, it should not try to start X right
Apr 20 09:19:41 <Stskeeps> look at /etc/rc3.d
Apr 20 09:20:27 <timeless> on some platforms 3 includes X
Apr 20 09:20:48 <slaine> timeless: on meego, it shouldn't
Apr 20 09:21:08 <timeless> the wonderful thing about standards is that there are so many from which to choose :)
Apr 20 09:21:53 <Stskeeps> slaine: there's a short circuit
Apr 20 09:22:08 <RST38bis> Moo, Sts
Apr 20 09:23:04 <timeless> rst: how long have you had /intel/ ?
Apr 20 09:23:06 <slaine> Stskeeps: really ?, god, that's lame
Apr 20 09:32:53 <lbt> slaine: reply? need to gain some momentum
Apr 20 09:32:57 <lbt> l8r
Apr 20 09:33:13 <slaine> lbt, yes
Apr 20 09:33:21 <slaine> busy with work stuff atm
Apr 20 10:02:55 <steventao> quit
Apr 20 10:10:47 * timeless_mbp rotfl
Apr 20 10:10:51 <sp3000> well, that's valid advice I guess
Apr 20 10:11:51 <sp3000> it'll fix /that/ problem for sure :)
Apr 20 10:18:13 <Termana> hey hey
Apr 20 10:45:06 <RST38bis> I have got /intel/??? WTF?
Apr 20 10:45:33 <RST38bis> Oh shit, I have got /intel/. The end of the world must be near indeed.
Apr 20 10:45:54 <Stskeeps> the truth comes out
Apr 20 10:45:55 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 20 10:46:18 <RST38bis> Sts: Komkon is down, but I kinda hoped it will simply show my ip address
Apr 20 12:45:30 <WAHa_06x36> hey, has anyone tried running meego on a beagleboard?
Apr 20 12:46:53 <Stskeeps> WAHa_06x36: should be fairly simple - grab a kernel, compile it, dump modules into lib/modules
Apr 20 12:46:56 <Stskeeps> try to boot the arm n900 fs
Apr 20 12:48:02 <suihkulokki> why not just enable beagleboard platform on the meego n900 kernel?
Apr 20 12:48:27 <slaine> suihkulokki: if and when we get OBS access I'm sure we will
Apr 20 12:48:40 <slaine> as we will generic x86
Apr 20 12:48:51 <slaine> and I'd also like to see Tegra2 support
Apr 20 12:49:17 <suihkulokki> tegra might be quite tricky, I guess they have a very androidy kernel?
Apr 20 12:49:28 <suihkulokki> but beagle is essentially a simplified n900
Apr 20 12:49:54 <WAHa_06x36> Stskeeps: I'm pretty much a noob at compiling the kernel, so have any good pointers for what to do?
Apr 20 12:50:09 * WAHa_06x36 tried to compile a kernel for Ångström earlier, and got something that totally wouldn't boot at all.
Apr 20 12:50:38 <Stskeeps> WAHa_06x36: take an existing built one >= 2.6.28 and take the kernel image and the modules i guess
Apr 20 12:51:13 <WAHa_06x36> I guess I could steal an Ångström one. although I kind of want .33 so I'd get cpuidle, which ånström doesn't have...
Apr 20 12:51:27 <Stskeeps> :nod:
Apr 20 12:51:34 <WAHa_06x36> also, what's with the -developer and -n900 files in http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/n900/images/ ?
Apr 20 12:52:12 <slaine> At a guess, the -developer includes a compiler toolchain
Apr 20 12:52:50 <Stskeeps> -developer is the Developing_in_a_MeeGo_Environment thing
Apr 20 12:54:14 <WAHa_06x36> Stskeeps: is it useful at all otherwise or should I just ignore it?
Apr 20 12:55:42 <slaine> suihkulokki: Tegra2 is just an ARM cpu with a 9300/9400 GPU
Apr 20 12:55:59 <slaine> so should be normal arm kernel aiui
Apr 20 12:58:49 <Stskeeps> WAHa_06x36: only for building on x86 towards arm, or having a reference point of what OBS dumps into a typical build root
Apr 20 12:59:07 <WAHa_06x36> all right.
Apr 20 13:25:16 <WAHa_06x36> well, I took an ångström kernel and tried booting the n900 filesystem, and I got this:
Apr 20 13:25:19 <WAHa_06x36> [   21.611968] VFS: Mounted root (ext3 filesystem) on device 179:2.
Apr 20 13:25:22 <WAHa_06x36> [   21.625000] devtmpfs: mounted
Apr 20 13:25:24 <WAHa_06x36> [   21.633453] Freeing init memory: 180K
Apr 20 13:25:27 <WAHa_06x36> [   24.550720] omap_wdt: Unexpected close, not stopping!
Apr 20 13:25:32 <WAHa_06x36> which is clearly a lie, because it stopped!
Apr 20 13:25:42 <WAHa_06x36> and rebooted after a minute or two.
Apr 20 13:27:30 <WAHa_06x36> (kernel 2.6.32)
Apr 20 13:28:00 <Stskeeps> by n900 filesystem, which one do you mean?
Apr 20 13:31:39 <WAHa_06x36> meego-codedrop-arm-n900-201003311626.tar.gz
Apr 20 13:32:02 <Stskeeps> ok
Apr 20 13:44:34 <WAHa_06x36> so, any idea what might be the problem there?
Apr 20 13:45:42 <Stskeeps> console= set up correctly?
Apr 20 14:01:56 <WAHa_06x36> Stskeeps: hmm, it's set to whatever it was for Ångström.
Apr 20 14:02:15 <WAHa_06x36> just running with the exact same boot options, should I change anything?
Apr 20 14:02:24 <Stskeeps> WAHa_06x36: what's the current cmdline?
Apr 20 14:02:31 <WAHa_06x36> let's see...
Apr 20 14:02:53 <WAHa_06x36> console=ttyS2,115200n8 console=tty0 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rw rootfstype=ext3 rootwait omapfb.video_mode=1024x768MR-16@60
Apr 20 14:03:39 <Stskeeps> hmm
Apr 20 15:15:59 <thebootroo> hello
Apr 20 15:17:13 <thebootroo> woot_ : you are the FaceBrick developper ? Since it's using Qt4, will it work flawlessly on MeeGo May's release ?
Apr 20 15:18:22 <DawnFoster> anyone else having issues getting to http://forum.meego.com/
Apr 20 15:18:33 <DawnFoster> I'm getting a network timeout message
Apr 20 15:19:21 <slaine> DawnFoster: snap
Apr 20 15:19:32 <Stskeeps> DawnFoster: yup - http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/forum.meego.com
Apr 20 15:19:35 <lcuk> thebootroo, facebrick is written in qt - at the moment im under the impression qt apps will generically work - however "flawlessly" is another matter and may require some tweaking of any app to have that keyword ;)
Apr 20 15:19:37 <thebootroo> DawnFoster: /mee to
Apr 20 15:20:45 <DawnFoster> ugh.
Apr 20 15:21:02 <DawnFoster> I'm pinging Mike and Reggie, but neither seem to be on IRC / IM.
Apr 20 15:21:15 <DawnFoster> I sent them both emails
Apr 20 15:21:43 <lcuk> if its of any reassurance, talk.maemo.org appears down too
Apr 20 15:21:52 <DawnFoster> yikes
Apr 20 15:22:10 <slaine> it's the ash cloud
Apr 20 15:22:18 <lcuk> i dont think reggie smokes
Apr 20 15:22:18 <slaine> the zombies have started their attack
Apr 20 15:22:30 <frals> well tmo has an habit of dying for ~5-10minutes randomly the last few days
Apr 20 15:22:32 <thebootroo> did anyone here managed to get maemo6/gitorious content  'duihome' or 'duicompositor' compiling on Maemo5 or  MeeGo TP  ?
Apr 20 15:22:49 <lcuk> frals it might occur same on fmc too but no1 notices
Apr 20 15:23:08 <frals> yea
Apr 20 15:23:34 <lcuk> except for now lol
Apr 20 15:23:37 * frals goes back to trying to crash his program
Apr 20 15:23:56 <lcuk> i think thats easy, just click send a few times with no content
Apr 20 15:24:25 <lcuk> ie disable send button until recipient selected ;)
Apr 20 15:24:50 <DawnFoster> OK, reggie is on it
Apr 20 15:25:09 <frals> well if theres no recipient it tells the user hes stupid now lcuk!
Apr 20 15:25:19 <frals> DawnFoster: its up again
Apr 20 15:30:39 <DawnFoster> thanks to Reggie for getting the forums back up!
Apr 20 15:37:26 * lbt saw arjan on kernel pkging.... :)
Apr 20 15:56:38 <Stskeeps> well, kernel people should be the most optimal to approach in the open - a lot of experience from kernel mailing lists, etc
Apr 20 16:08:29 <slaine> DawnFoster: when can we expect that meego.com website to be updated seeing as quite alot of stuff was revealed at IDF and Collab Summit ?
Apr 20 16:09:19 <DawnFoster> slaine: I'm trying to get some of that content to post it.
Apr 20 16:09:29 <DawnFoster> at least from the collabsummit.
Apr 20 16:10:25 <slaine> ok, cool
Apr 20 16:12:14 <slaine> DawnFoster: based on the IDF material, I'd like to see the Devices section getting fleshed out a little
Apr 20 16:12:22 <slaine> just my 2cents
Apr 20 16:13:05 <DawnFoster> My guess is that we'll start fleshing out that section as we release the code.
Apr 20 16:13:33 <slaine> hmmm
Apr 20 16:14:34 <slaine> that's a sore point around here, so I'll resist commenting
Apr 20 17:50:01 <postmanPechkin> hi
Apr 20 18:27:47 <RST38h> <yawn>
Apr 20 18:28:06 <Stskeeps> indeed
Apr 20 18:28:30 <OldChap> meego does not seem to raise much discussion
Apr 20 18:29:24 <RST38h> There is no "meego" an average lemming can use
Apr 20 18:29:39 <RST38h> Once there is, you will get at least a temporary spike of activity
Apr 20 18:29:46 <OldChap> that's true
Apr 20 18:30:17 <RST38h> Lemmings have got short attention spans nowadays though, so meego will need to keep the news coming to maintain some level of interest
Apr 20 18:30:55 <OldChap> I think the Meego announcement was quite wrongly timed by intel and nokia
Apr 20 18:31:22 <OldChap> after initial announcement it took over month that anything happened
Apr 20 18:31:46 <RST38h> it is not the timing
Apr 20 18:31:54 <OldChap> and still the situation is - well - quite premature
Apr 20 18:32:06 <RST38h> you really need to keep the news coming perpetually nowadays
Apr 20 18:32:50 <OldChap> that's true
Apr 20 18:32:54 <RST38h> If there is >=1 week without news, the crowds go elsewhere. They will either oggle at iPhone 4G or discuss latest Droid firmware, or just play the latest MMORPG
Apr 20 18:32:56 <lbt> Stskeeps: I thought I'd document the kernel package pre-processor:  http://pastebin.ca/1870115
Apr 20 18:33:11 <Stskeeps> 'it's perl'?
Apr 20 18:33:14 <OldChap> but whatever nokia says, meego seems to affect seriously maemo5 development
Apr 20 18:33:25 * lbt seriously wonders if the lack of discussion is pure shame
Apr 20 18:33:47 <OldChap> so no news on meego side nor on maemo
Apr 20 18:33:47 <Stskeeps> OldChap: it shouldn't though, people should write towards qt
Apr 20 18:33:51 <RST38h> Meego is just one platform of many, and it does not have enough distinguishing features for the general masses to care
Apr 20 18:34:21 <Stskeeps> lbt: i'm wondering if build-dep'ing on 'cpp' would be just as sane
Apr 20 18:34:32 <Stskeeps> and doing the whole thing with #if defined(...)
Apr 20 18:34:33 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 20 18:34:38 <lbt> I was going to rewrite it using cpp
Apr 20 18:35:02 <lbt> it's very autotools-y
Apr 20 18:35:05 <Stskeeps> m4~!
Apr 20 18:35:06 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 20 18:35:26 * lbt considered emacs lisp macros too...
Apr 20 18:35:44 <lbt> mmmm food is ready.... l8r
Apr 20 18:35:59 <OldChap> Stskeeps: I agree, that's a pitty
Apr 20 18:43:16 <pkt> :e!
Apr 20 18:43:32 <pkt> oops, wrong window
Apr 20 18:43:44 <Stskeeps> :wq
Apr 20 19:42:28 <Stskeeps> well, at least it seems like all this talk about openness and transparency has gotten on the agenda in some degree :)
Apr 20 19:43:51 <RST38h> Does not necessarily translate into any useful action
Apr 20 19:43:54 <lbt> what should we call the RWG then?
Apr 20 19:44:07 <lbt> I like "Surrounds"
Apr 20 19:44:23 <Stskeeps> Redshirts?
Apr 20 19:44:28 <lbt> <grin>
Apr 20 19:44:43 <lbt> setting them up for phaser fire?
Apr 20 19:48:00 <Stskeeps> RST38h: no, but it means all the bickering is getting noticed :)
Apr 20 21:06:37 <trem> nite all, sweet dreams
Apr 20 21:06:44 <CosmoHill> cyas tr
Apr 20 21:06:44 <dl9pf_> lbt: just read the kernel pastie ... what should i say - looks _really_ user-friendly
Apr 20 21:19:33 <lbt> dl9pf_: it's.... actually quite sad :)
Apr 20 21:20:02 <lbt> I set out to document the kernel packaging but got depressed
Apr 20 21:32:17 <lbt> I hate debugging code that uses deep inheritance as an interface
Apr 20 21:32:54 <CosmoHill> i had a problem with my code and i had to work out if it was at level 1 or 3
Apr 20 21:32:59 <lbt> my personal stack pops at about 30 levels of function call depth
Apr 20 21:36:50 <dockside> do you ppl know of any cheap arm platforms? all i really "need" on it is some sort of decent cpu, some 128MBish RAM and usb host/otg
Apr 20 21:37:38 <lbt> smartQ5/7 ?
Apr 20 21:37:53 <lbt> N800 or N810 ?
Apr 20 21:38:28 <dockside> looks a tad fancy, has screen and stuff :)
Apr 20 21:39:04 <dockside> im thinking more in the lines of a beagleboard with less features :)
Apr 20 21:42:11 <dockside> think it will have to be beagleboard :)
Apr 20 21:42:25 <dockside> it's for my cleaning robot >_>
Apr 20 21:50:30 <DawnFoster> Wondering if Quim and others from the Linux Foundation CollabSummit are still trapped in San Francisco.
Apr 20 21:50:56 <DawnFoster> As of around noon, Quim was in yet another line to try to get on a flight.
Apr 20 21:53:11 <zenvoid> dockside: SAKC maybe? http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/SAKC
Apr 20 21:53:24 <lcuk> :( DawnFoster
Apr 20 21:53:33 <lcuk> meego powered cleaning robot o_O
Apr 20 21:53:37 <thiago_home> DawnFoster: our guy is still in SF
Apr 20 21:53:42 <thiago_home> so I think Quim is too
Apr 20 21:54:15 <Myrtti> he boarded the flight to Frankfurt some time ago
Apr 20 21:54:20 <DawnFoster> yeah, huge bummer. granted there are worse places to be stuck than San Francisco, but people want to get home to their families.
Apr 20 21:54:33 <thiago_home> German air space wasn't open until today
Apr 20 21:54:34 <lcuk> Myrtti, ? hes coming back to euro?
Apr 20 21:54:38 <Myrtti> 47 minutes ago, according to Facebook
Apr 20 21:54:39 <lcuk> or rather, on his way
Apr 20 21:54:43 <lcuk> :) great
Apr 20 21:54:43 <DawnFoster> Myrtti: oh sweet! That was the line he was in when I talked to him earlier
Apr 20 21:54:44 <thiago_home> he couldn't have boarded
Apr 20 21:54:48 <DawnFoster> happy to hear it
Apr 20 21:55:02 <Myrtti> "Quim Gil About to board for Frankfurt. I think I got the last Economy seat, in the last minute. Even if Ronan and I had done exactly the same steps he didn't get in, no matter how much we explained. That was not nice. :( Now I'll have to figure out the way to get from Frankfurt to Helsinki. You haver 10 hours to post here useful tips."
Apr 20 21:55:03 <thiago_home> ok, then that's right
Apr 20 21:55:07 <lcuk> jaffa is also en route - in a car in denmark atm
Apr 20 21:55:47 <thiago_home> someone from the office spent 35 hours to get back to Oslo during the weekend
Apr 20 21:55:50 <thiago_home> from Geneva
Apr 20 21:56:01 <thiago_home> train + ferry + rental car
Apr 20 21:56:04 <lcuk> yeah lots of upsets
Apr 20 21:56:14 <frals> frankfurt to hel shouldnt be that bad
Apr 20 21:56:28 <lcuk> local economies and hotels out of the way and hire care componanies and ferries and stuff are making up for it a little
Apr 20 21:56:32 <frals> worst case get to sweden, stockholm and then a boat over.. which would take a while thou :p
Apr 20 21:56:37 <thiago_home> according to him, during the trip, people from all over the world were meeting up
Apr 20 21:56:41 <CosmoHill> thiago_home: i take it he doesn't have to take the hire car back
Apr 20 21:56:44 <thiago_home> "so, where were you stuck?"
Apr 20 21:57:12 <lcuk> yeah thiago_home its effected lots
Apr 20 21:57:26 <lcuk> now if we would just pay the ransom to iceland all this would stop
Apr 20 21:57:33 <thiago_home> :-)
Apr 20 21:57:35 <ShadowJK> you already did
Apr 20 21:57:42 <ShadowJK> You sent them your cash and they sent back ash
Apr 20 21:57:46 <thiago_home> Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Finland are paying 444 mill.
Apr 20 21:57:58 <thiago_home> (no, not kidding)
Apr 20 21:58:12 <lcuk> TO ICELAND?
Apr 20 21:58:15 <thiago_home> yes
Apr 20 21:58:16 <lcuk> -caps
Apr 20 21:58:18 <lcuk> what for?
Apr 20 21:58:32 <ShadowJK> "plz to stop the ash kthx"
Apr 20 21:58:43 <CosmoHill> UK airspace opened today
Apr 20 21:58:48 <lcuk> "confirmed delivery of 10000 tonnes of sulphur
Apr 20 21:59:12 <lcuk> bit of it did
Apr 20 21:59:14 <thiago_home> http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/bc6d67c4-4c81-11df-8fe1-00144feab49a.html
Apr 20 21:59:59 <thiago_home> this website says 1.775 bn €: http://www.rttnews.com/Content/AllEconomicNews.aspx?Id=1274373
Apr 20 22:00:56 <lcuk> ok for the original unrelated to volcano reason
Apr 20 22:01:29 <thiago_home> yes, unrelated :-)
Apr 20 22:02:27 <ShadowJK> but surely it's not a coincidence with the timing!
Apr 20 22:04:29 <lcuk> gentle reminder
Apr 20 22:05:25 <thiago_home> DawnFoster: but I wouldn't count on Quim being available for the TSG tomorrow
Apr 20 22:06:21 <DawnFoster> thiago_home: oh good point, I hadn't even thought about the TSG.
Apr 20 22:06:41 <thiago_home> Valtteri was supposed to be here (in Oslo) tomorrow, but we cancelled the f2f and switched to videoconf. So he should be at his usual spot.
Apr 20 22:08:08 <DawnFoster> thiago_home: do you want to help with the TSG meeting if Quim isn't available?
Apr 20 22:08:51 <thiago_home> I'll be around and I'll help if you need me
Apr 20 22:09:00 <DawnFoster> I can handle the meetbot / agenda, but not be able to handle questions on top of it.
Apr 20 22:09:20 <DawnFoster> cool - I'll ping you on irc / email tomorrow.
Apr 20 22:09:24 <thiago_home> yeah
Apr 20 22:09:24 <DawnFoster> thanks
Apr 20 22:09:35 <thiago_home> I'll be around one hour before the meeting and you walk me through what you need from me
Apr 20 22:09:48 <thiago_home> no emails at that time -- /me avoids corporate email from home
Apr 20 22:10:25 <DawnFoster> sounds good - I'll send you a msg about an hour before the meeting
Apr 20 22:10:58 <thiago_home> ok
Apr 20 22:29:39 <CosmoHill> i went to a cloud computing seminar today
Apr 20 22:34:28 <chi-chi> hihi
Apr 20 22:34:35 <CosmoHill> hoho
Apr 20 22:36:58 <lcuk> CosmoHill, anything interesting?
Apr 20 22:37:21 <CosmoHill> a few interesting points but I don't agree with everything
Apr 20 22:37:45 <lcuk> blah blah blah ash blah blah blah
Apr 20 22:37:57 <lcuk> :D
Apr 20 22:38:17 <CosmoHill> :o
Apr 20 22:38:45 <lcuk> lol CosmoHill cloud still has its problems
Apr 20 22:39:20 <CosmoHill> oh lol
Apr 20 22:39:32 <CosmoHill> http://little-gamers.com/
Apr 20 22:40:56 <chi-chi> theres no GUI in meego still right?
Apr 20 23:25:54 <CosmoHill> cyas
Apr 20 23:26:16 <DawnFoster> later CosmoHill
Apr 20 23:26:31 <CosmoHill> i have project management in the morning
Apr 20 23:26:32 <CosmoHill> >.<
Apr 21 00:35:24 <idra> http://www.google.com/governmentrequests/
Apr 21 00:35:28 <idra> oops sorry
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