**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 23 02:59:56 2010 Apr 23 04:08:14 hey hey Apr 23 07:47:06 heya. Apr 23 07:47:22 heya indeed Apr 23 07:47:43 moo Apr 23 07:48:24 Sts: EHLO, I have seen a Meego-N900 progress report on tmo today ;) Apr 23 07:48:32 yeah, looks good Apr 23 07:49:01 link? Apr 23 07:49:02 Pretty nice, glad to see someone at Nokia has seen the light Apr 23 07:49:41 more to come Apr 23 07:50:28 TigerTael: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50763 , and meego-dev too Apr 23 07:53:14 Thanks. Apr 23 08:00:47 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt-d8pB8QvI lol Apr 23 08:27:38 hi guys ,new to this mobile platform. i am good programmer in ruby php, not very good in c++. but looking to dive deeply in. ineed to ask if what else i may need to start development in meego Apr 23 08:28:09 C++ is not the only way Apr 23 08:28:41 so I recommend you look at your options first Apr 23 08:29:05 thiago: what could be else? Apr 23 08:29:38 a couple of other technologies, including web Apr 23 08:32:00 as i said php ruby these are web technologies Apr 23 08:34:15 if you can make apps today for X11, you'll be able to in MeeGo Apr 23 08:34:31 but I was thinking more of client-side web technologies, not server-side Apr 23 08:35:42 well couldn't for x11 yet Apr 23 08:36:49 i would appriciate your expert advice Apr 23 08:37:42 I can't give you *expert* advice Apr 23 08:37:53 I can give you stupid advice only Apr 23 08:39:22 i would even appriciate Apr 23 08:46:33 ruby has good Qt bindings Apr 23 08:50:57 hey, is there or going to be pyside on the MeeGo? Apr 23 08:51:08 if someone packages and uses it, yes Apr 23 08:51:39 I'd really hope so as it looks quite promising Apr 23 10:41:34 Hi. How "official" where the videos from IDF found on youtube in the last days? The web site doesn´t reflect any progress on meego but the videos show 1.0 on several devices? Apr 23 10:41:45 s/where/were/ Apr 23 10:41:45 ninan meant: Hi. How "official" were the videos from IDF found on youtube in the last days? The web site doesn´t reflect any progress on meego but the videos show 1.0 on several devices? Apr 23 10:47:47 ninan: it really looked like that someone had an idea to present this brand new meego thing and not coordinated :P Apr 23 10:49:11 frankly, it looked more like moblin 2.2 Apr 23 10:49:37 Stskeeps: but isn't that MeeGo 1.0 for netbooks is ? Apr 23 10:49:40 stskeeps Yes. IDF attendee shows it off and nokia registers N8 tablet at fcc. Funny times. Apr 23 10:50:06 ninan: N8 tablet? Apr 23 10:50:13 slaine: perhaps, but i don't know Apr 23 10:50:20 stskeeps rumors, just rumors. :-) Apr 23 10:50:26 Stskeeps: yes, it is Apr 23 10:50:53 ninan: i think there might be a good reason for a meego marketing wg to synchronize efforts Apr 23 10:50:56 :P Apr 23 10:51:08 That's why I was so peeved about the repo's being taken off-line and us being told that the UX wasn't ready Apr 23 10:51:22 It was already out there up 'til late february. Apr 23 10:51:34 I was even working on patches for the code Apr 23 10:53:06 I think lf should get Grey Powell into the OsmocomBB and use that for baseband. :-) Apr 23 10:53:19 He might need a job Apr 23 10:54:08 slaine I'm a bit irritated. I thought repos were up science mar 1st? Apr 23 10:54:47 ninan, No Apr 23 10:55:01 Core OS repo's are available since March 31st Apr 23 10:55:30 But the mutter-moblin code is still no where to be seen and the git repo hasn't been put back online Apr 23 10:56:03 We're all a bit irritated, but we just have to wait Apr 23 10:56:30 We'll probably be allowed test a Beta in the next week or two and a final release for end of May Apr 23 10:56:31 slaine probably. Apr 23 10:57:03 hi Apr 23 10:57:04 But I would have liked to help with bug fixing and general coding rather than been handed it on a plate Apr 23 10:57:26 To me, that's what I'm expecting from an open community project Apr 23 10:57:41 slaine would be great. I hope for products soon. I'm a bit sick of my iPhone and really think about not buying next version since my contract restarts. But I neither want symbian nor android. Apr 23 10:57:45 I could have the wrong end of the stick as to what Open Community project means of course Apr 23 10:58:30 I'm more interested in the netbook area (being a Moblin guy), but also SetTopBoxes and I'd love to see a Tegra2 powered MeeGo tablet Apr 23 10:58:43 slaine how involved is the Linux Foundation into all of this? Actual work or just overviewing and name dropping? Apr 23 10:58:54 It seems to be the later Apr 23 10:59:06 don't forget, that Moblin.org was also an LF project Apr 23 10:59:31 we really should tell Torvalds. :-) Apr 23 11:01:19 ok. have to get back to work. Thanks for the chat slaine, Stskeeps Apr 23 11:02:50 laters Apr 23 11:34:29 sorry, but why const char*::difference_type isn't suitable for c++? Apr 23 11:40:38 postmanPechkin: const char* is not a class, it has no nested types Apr 23 11:40:59 hello/ Apr 23 11:41:24 hi Apr 23 11:42:34 Will the MeeGo on n800? Apr 23 11:43:10 sentence structure is not Apr 23 11:45:33 stalkerg: maybe, but it is uncertain what kind of UX can be run. Apr 23 11:46:04 and it wont be official for sure :P Apr 23 11:47:33 Ok, thx Apr 23 11:48:19 Is there a ebuild for mic2? Apr 23 11:52:27 anyone here from the Meego build infra? having some cross-compile issues Apr 23 11:58:21 lbt: dl9pf maybe Apr 23 12:13:07 yes ? Apr 23 12:28:09 ROFL Apr 23 12:28:13 Apple responded in a statement to technology news site CNet in which it described Flash as "closed and proprietary". Apple preferred to support more open standards which replicate everything Flash can do, added the statement. Apr 23 12:28:20 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8639240.stm Apr 23 12:28:30 * lbt goes to lie down Apr 23 12:29:19 ah yes Apr 23 12:29:20 doublespeak Apr 23 12:29:21 :P Apr 23 12:42:21 lbt: you see why we're not moving to support Qt on the iPhone... Apr 23 12:48:38 thiago_home: Why are you not moving to support Qt on the iPhone then ? Apr 23 12:48:51 Section 3.3.1 would have no baring Apr 23 12:49:00 I'll give you a hint: it starts with A Apr 23 12:49:04 ends with "pple" Apr 23 12:50:29 thiago_home: that's not a reason though Apr 23 12:50:47 Did apple tell you that you couldn't port Qt to iPhone OS ? Apr 23 12:51:14 they didn't tell us either that we could Apr 23 12:51:21 the fact that they keep changing the rules *is* the problem Apr 23 12:51:42 right Apr 23 12:51:50 nothing like nokia then Apr 23 12:51:53 * slaine ducks Apr 23 13:02:26 though that did not stop MacOS from being one of the supported platforms :) Apr 23 13:02:58 andre: uh, i see, stupid question. Apr 23 13:03:48 To be honest, I think Apple not allowing Flash on the iPhone is a good thing Apr 23 13:03:51 I can't stand flash Apr 23 13:04:17 its an 'the enemy of your enemy' situation at best Apr 23 13:05:03 I'd rather not see it on Android either Apr 23 13:05:25 achipa: nod Apr 23 13:24:39 thugh... it *would* be interesting to see Qt on Android :) Apr 23 13:24:52 there's a project for that Apr 23 13:24:59 you can already *see* apps Apr 23 13:25:17 as the real deal, not hobby stuff (with all due respect to our Romanian friend who did that) Apr 23 13:25:22 as for Mac, it's quite open, compared to Apple's other devices Apr 23 13:25:31 you can install apps you download off the net, you know Apr 23 13:25:41 there's no draconian Mac SDK (XCode) agreement to sign Apr 23 13:26:14 but I'd agree with you, I'd rather Flash weren't supported Apr 23 13:26:31 heya. Apr 23 13:29:16 well, for better or worse Nokia was very enthusiastic wrt to Flash, even to the point of spending serious money on it... Apr 23 13:29:49 not sure how much of that enthusiasm remains in the MeeGo timeframe :) Apr 23 13:38:26 Flash, whilst bloated, isn't going away anytime soon. Apr 23 13:55:26 has anyone tried the N900 with those small speakers you can hook up to portable players that don't require a power source? Apr 23 13:55:49 been thinking that I might buy a pair for some beach mp3 playback :) Apr 23 13:56:01 just wondering if they are so quite there is no point Apr 23 13:56:05 quiet* Apr 23 15:56:12 hey guys Apr 23 15:56:16 hello Apr 23 15:56:28 i'm comming to know how is the project going ? Apr 23 15:56:44 slowly but surely Apr 23 15:57:09 ok Apr 23 15:57:15 in fact i had some other questions Apr 23 15:57:25 i'm building and concepting my own tablet Apr 23 15:57:37 and i'm in plain research of the best hardware to choose Apr 23 15:57:47 i'm really hesitating to take beagle + arm Apr 23 15:57:58 i would like a really fast hd tablet Apr 23 15:58:41 is someone having a website where i could find cards like the beagle one very little where i could put for example an nvidia ion chipset and maybe a dual core arm Apr 23 15:58:45 jacquesdupontd, what operating system are you planning for it? Apr 23 15:59:10 that's the thing, either i'm gonna put my modified kubuntu for fingers that i made Apr 23 15:59:34 cool, wheres the source? Apr 23 15:59:42 ill try it on my machine Apr 23 15:59:53 cause my tablet will be reconising when it will be comming back near bluetooth keyboard and mouse and automaticly changing the interface to a normal interface Apr 23 16:00:42 that way when you go outside without keyboard and mouse there will be my own fingers friendly useable interface made on the base of kde and debian Apr 23 16:01:06 and when you come back home you use it as your personnal computer with your keyboard and mouse bluetoothed Apr 23 16:01:30 lbt: was able to get an adaptor, and hook it up to the joggler Apr 23 16:01:32 and i'm planning a third interface for the kitchen, transforming it to a kitchen pc, that you can paste on the fridge Apr 23 16:01:35 lbt: the service works just fine Apr 23 16:01:41 lbt: but i find myself most puzzled Apr 23 16:01:49 jacquesdupontd, cool, but where can i get it to try it on my tablets? Apr 23 16:01:52 lbt: who did O2 think they were selling this to? Apr 23 16:02:05 kitchen wifes Apr 23 16:02:05 :P Apr 23 16:02:16 Stskeeps: worst form factor for that ever Apr 23 16:02:20 lcuk for now i'm still finishing it and i ll give links soon for people who wanna test it and maybe contribute with some ideas Apr 23 16:02:36 lcuk: I got RHEL 6 beta but I can;'t get it to boot cos of the boot loader Apr 23 16:02:44 Stskeeps: the whole form factor for this device makes sense on a nightstand Apr 23 16:02:52 but why... Apr 23 16:02:55 why why why Apr 23 16:02:59 would you do things like watch videos on this thing? Apr 23 16:03:04 I can get it to boot but no monitor :( Apr 23 16:03:10 my basic idea is to show the price of the tablet built and what is the money i'm taking, and for the tablet to be completly upgradeable a Apr 23 16:03:22 Stskeeps: i swear, people just don't think this shit through. Apr 23 16:03:31 prototype, maybe Apr 23 16:03:35 i mean, we love it as a hacking device Apr 23 16:03:36 :P Apr 23 16:03:41 lcuk yeah, wife , you know the story :) Apr 23 16:03:54 Stskeeps: I look at this thing, and the first thing that came to my mind was "clock radio" Apr 23 16:04:04 ? jacquesdupontd you just cut sentence in half and changed Apr 23 16:04:10 i tohught i got distracted easily Apr 23 16:04:13 thought Apr 23 16:04:14 well so anybody's got a linki to give to find the good hardware that i could choose cause the beagle is not enought for me, i would like a nvidia ion plateform little motherboard Apr 23 16:04:23 anyway Apr 23 16:04:27 i'm sure such website must exist Apr 23 16:04:37 OMAP3 isn't enough? Apr 23 16:04:41 what are you trying to do? Apr 23 16:04:46 CosmoHill: it never finishes the install for me, stops at the last package Apr 23 16:04:52 CosmoHill: because of the bootloader o.O? Apr 23 16:04:53 jacquesdupontd, pc world have prices for things Apr 23 16:04:54 lcuk and i wanted to know also how was going the moblin maemo, meego project to see if it could be a good idea to put it on the tablet Apr 23 16:05:08 I skipped the boot loader because I already have grub2 installed and working Apr 23 16:05:17 i like the interface very much, it's a perfect for a tablet when you're outside Apr 23 16:05:30 i find it a lot better than android that everybody is advicing me to choose Apr 23 16:06:16 ive tested it and first, everybody's gonna take it so i don't wanna do the same thing, and i want something more clean and simple and fast like moblin, or ubuntu moblin, or meego Apr 23 16:06:40 yeah but i cant find how we call those type of motherboards ? Apr 23 16:07:17 im gonna have to find a place where i can also buy an accelerometers and the best and cheapest multitouch capacitive screen Apr 23 16:09:07 jacquesdupontd, have you got any screenshots of kubuntu with fingers? Apr 23 16:09:11 if anybody is able to help me that would be much appreciated and by the way all people that would like to come in the whole project and see after how everybody could help everybody (thats my principe of work) Apr 23 16:09:26 lcuk no but you can easily make on for yourself Apr 23 16:09:47 ooh do tell? Apr 23 16:09:54 * lcuk wants kubuntu with fingers very muchly :) Apr 23 16:10:01 lcuk just put everything bigger, a beautiful theme, compiz, download every drivers and touchable software to make it work as you want, and you're done Apr 23 16:10:34 then you can download little software to have those youtube facebook and other stuff shortcuts or make on yourself that's not that hard, i'm building that in xhtml 5 Apr 23 16:11:01 why xhtml 5, i thought people in the know were using xhtml 6 nowadays Apr 23 16:11:10 you can have some beautiful effects, that is very light interface and no need to have flash even if i wont be like those other tablet that are so happy just to be able to watch a youtube video haha Apr 23 16:12:04 i plan that mine will surely read 10 vids at the same time, i'm always amazed when i see a big congress and people showing LOOK, IT CAN READ SMOOTHLY VIDEOS ! wow what an advance :) Apr 23 16:12:16 really innovating ideas :) Apr 23 16:12:29 10 videos at once! how do you watch them Apr 23 16:12:55 lcuk yeah or 6, anyway wanted to say xhtml can make really good stuff without javascript and without flash nowadays Apr 23 16:13:17 you can watch 6 at once - thats more channels than ive got on my tv Apr 23 16:13:31 lcuk with my 10 plugged screen ! (joke) Apr 23 16:13:56 you have to get 10 eyes also :) Apr 23 16:14:39 no but the important thing i wanna say is that i don't want to build a device that only WORK or IS ABLE TO, i want something that can EASILY DO Apr 23 16:14:59 a critical flaw to that would be battery Apr 23 16:15:20 how would you get over having uber processing power required but also maintaining a healthy uptime Apr 23 16:15:46 when i see my old athlon computer that i use as tv movie reader, music making, msn, mail, browsing, and it has 256 mb of memory very old everything and it works perfectly with all 3d compiz effects Apr 23 16:16:09 that way i dont why the tablet wouldn't do so if its well configured/made Apr 23 16:16:09 yeah i have one of those too Apr 23 16:16:22 but to be usable outside the house would require a wheelbarrow for the battery Apr 23 16:17:22 lcuk that's why i'm in big hesitation, am i taking a laptop motherboard with classic graphic cards and proc like little celeron or amd and little nvidia that would be very cheap but bigger or am i choosing beagle motherboard type Apr 23 16:17:51 more i think about it and more i wanna have a fast and cheap tablet even if it a little bigger and louder Apr 23 16:17:56 heavier sorry Apr 23 16:18:19 pc world have these cute little slates from hp :) Apr 23 16:18:36 yeah the only think that gets me to the little beagle board is that i would have a lot of place to put a lot lot lot lot of lithium battery Apr 23 16:18:44 to have 12 hours battery lifetime Apr 23 16:18:51 if bigger and rough doesn't scares you, you might want to look at the touchbook Apr 23 16:18:52 but except that ... Apr 23 16:19:18 i've seen tablets home made like alwaysinnovating one where the tablet is half empty inside Apr 23 16:19:26 it's a complete loose of place i think Apr 23 16:19:37 but that's my point of view Apr 23 16:19:56 (im in a cyber coffee, i'm going to get a beer and smoke a cig i come back) Apr 23 16:19:59 im still wondering more about the UX Apr 23 16:20:14 if kubuntu plus fingers is already made Apr 23 16:20:17 we can use that Apr 23 16:20:36 but jacquesdptd_afk wont release it :( Apr 23 16:21:04 for sure i willl but guys don't make like i made a really amazing thing everybody can do it with a little bit of patience Apr 23 16:21:24 but i'll give it to you as soon as i find it releasable, i go get that beer Apr 23 16:21:25 but if you release it then think of all the help you can get Apr 23 16:21:30 support to tweak it Apr 23 16:21:42 and fix up bugs you wont have seen Apr 23 16:22:10 but i'm gonna you can be sure, just for the fact that i'm always sharing and giving my works like all the community is doing that way everything is evoluating Apr 23 16:23:07 it's just that for now i have to pack it put it on a server plus i made different versions with kde and without well i will show you all that for sure when it will seem enought complete to get out, wich means soon, 1 week or 2, but for now beer :) Apr 23 16:24:33 well, granted it is beeroclock here, but for some people in the world its not and they could be helping your project right now whilst you drink! Apr 23 16:24:54 grgrgr anyway i'm not home now :) Apr 23 16:26:15 jacquesdptd_afk, is there a website i can watch for updates from? how will i find out when kubuntu with fingers is released. Apr 23 16:26:35 because your ideas are intruiging to me and i would like to subscribe to your blog Apr 23 16:46:51 lcuk i'm gonna set on my server a little wordpress blog to show the release progress, i promess i'll connect on this chatroom everyday to give the adress to you as soon as i've set it Apr 23 16:53:37 What's with all of the seemingly accidental subscribers on the lists. . . . Apr 23 16:53:47 users Apr 23 16:53:55 +l Apr 23 16:54:33 * lbt wonders where the email/forum integration is at Apr 23 16:56:44 moo all Apr 23 16:57:31 baa Apr 23 17:11:48 heya lbt Apr 23 17:13:47 o/ Apr 23 17:51:59 ooh, collab summit videos are up Apr 23 17:52:03 well, keynotes Apr 23 17:53:25 whoot. time to grab a beer while watching :-P Apr 23 17:53:49 Stskeeps: cool Apr 23 17:58:17 * thiago_home is watching a Qt community manager in Norway Got Talent Apr 23 17:58:48 trolls famous in norway? :P Apr 23 17:59:23 andre__, don't get too excited. ;) Apr 23 17:59:51 me? excited? come on! I'm never. :-P Apr 23 18:14:29 video urls ? Apr 23 18:14:49 odin_: if you registered to watch them live you get an email about it Apr 23 18:16:33 the mail said they are open didnt they Apr 23 18:17:04 " All videos from this event are free to watch for anyone in the Linux Apr 23 18:17:04 community." Apr 23 18:17:14 http://video.linuxfoundation.org/categories/conferences-symposiums/2010-collaboration-summit Apr 23 18:17:18 lets see Apr 23 18:18:33 plays fine without loggin in/registering here Apr 23 18:19:30 finally :-) No item video stream to shopping basket Apr 23 18:23:03 downloading ari jaaksis keynote at a blazing 10kB/sec Apr 23 18:25:30 wheres the whiteboard sessions? Apr 23 18:28:38 only keynotes for the moment it seems Apr 23 18:29:28 yeah i think i saw most last week Apr 23 18:29:42 Myrtti, any movement on your video uploading? Apr 23 18:31:51 i wonder who's still stuck Apr 23 18:32:58 Stskeeps, theres still some backlog Apr 23 18:33:17 i know people who just gave up and bedded in - not returning till early next week etc Apr 23 18:33:42 not necessarily from conf, but from around Apr 23 18:33:58 dneary, are you back now? Apr 23 18:34:10 back where? Apr 23 18:34:26 home Apr 23 18:34:55 i seem to recall you were still around sf Apr 23 18:36:00 yeah, you attended the TSG meeting from the airport iirc Apr 23 18:50:58 regarding being stuck, http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2010/04/getting-there-and-back-volcano-post.html - quite an adventure it sounds like Apr 23 19:07:27 Stskeeps, Ari needs the Meego Volcanologists UX Apr 23 19:10:36 heya Stskeeps Apr 23 19:10:53 btw, did i mess anything importand on wednesday? Apr 23 19:11:48 lcuk, that clearly excludes you. :P Apr 23 19:11:54 hi people Apr 23 19:11:55 th0br0 good evening Apr 23 19:11:58 th0br0, define "important" Apr 23 19:12:00 evening slaine Apr 23 19:12:03 GAN900: of any relevance Apr 23 19:12:04 * GAN900 would say "no" Apr 23 19:12:12 th0br0: check out the logs Apr 23 19:12:19 we got stuff cleared up Apr 23 19:12:26 nothings happend, but still Apr 23 19:12:27 But that's only using the "important to GAN900" metric Apr 23 19:12:28 th0br0: if you can teach me, and I can teach others, that makes you some kinda super smart person :) Apr 23 19:12:29 GAN900, yeah ? Apr 23 19:12:35 CosmoHill: teach you what ? Apr 23 19:12:39 C++ Apr 23 19:12:40 i remember that i highlighted you earlier ... Apr 23 19:12:44 lcuk, Mr. VB Windows man. :P Apr 23 19:12:47 C++ mmh... Apr 23 19:12:49 I'm teaching my friend C++ atm Apr 23 19:12:55 k. Apr 23 19:13:00 GAN900, ? i know that Apr 23 19:13:06 helping him with his assignment without giving him all my special l33t code Apr 23 19:13:09 but whats that gotta do with volcanos? Apr 23 19:13:13 my C++ consists of C with classes Apr 23 19:13:17 or are you reading tonnes of backlog Apr 23 19:13:29 "free to watch for anyone in the Linux community" Apr 23 19:13:50 *ding* Apr 23 19:14:03 slaine: but that's nasty :D Apr 23 19:14:03 * lcuk unwatches Apr 23 19:14:21 However, I really like namespaces etc. but yeah, i'm writing a lot of c in all my c++ stuff too Apr 23 19:14:21 th0br0: meh, I'm a C programmer Apr 23 19:14:23 :) Apr 23 19:14:27 GAN900, arent you an apple fanboy too :P hence unavailable Apr 23 19:14:41 slaine, i spent 10 years coding vb as if it were c Apr 23 19:14:42 lcuk, hey, I got an invite to the event! Apr 23 19:14:50 lol lcuk, how is that possible? Apr 23 19:14:51 therefore you dont want the videos :P Apr 23 19:14:53 GAN900: which event? Apr 23 19:14:54 lcuk, been there, done that, feel your pain Apr 23 19:14:56 Clearly I'm a member. :P Apr 23 19:15:00 LF Summit Apr 23 19:15:20 :) Apr 23 19:16:01 th0br0, keynote videos are up. Apr 23 19:16:34 GAN900, seat filling so chris dibona could throw a tshirt at you Apr 23 19:16:55 The MeeGo keynotes are generally new-information-free Apr 23 19:17:04 lcuk, scared the shit out of me Apr 23 19:17:08 heh Apr 23 19:17:28 th0br0: Imad and Valetarri (spelling ?) both agreed that they need to make things more open and would work on it. They also expressed a desire that development be truely open, i.e. that we, as a community, would have input rather than just being used for localization donkey work and bug hunting Apr 23 19:17:58 Valtter(r?)i iirc Apr 23 19:18:02 what language do donkeys speak? Apr 23 19:18:03 mh ok. Apr 23 19:18:09 VB Apr 23 19:18:10 lcuk: EH AH ;) Apr 23 19:18:19 slaine, valhalla, duh. :P Apr 23 19:18:19 * lcuk still lacks beer Apr 23 19:18:24 this is a shocking situation Apr 23 19:18:40 lcuk, I also feel that pain Apr 23 19:18:55 must head to shops, get some beers and watch a movie or something Apr 23 19:18:57 mine is delayed by warmth Apr 23 19:19:04 i have a fridge full of warm beer Apr 23 19:19:20 don't you english types like warm beer ? Apr 23 19:19:22 ;) Apr 23 19:19:33 ewwww Apr 23 19:19:37 long live belgian beer Apr 23 19:19:49 its american beer Apr 23 19:19:50 s/belgian beer/beer from belgium/ Apr 23 19:19:51 th0br0 meant: long live beer from belgium Apr 23 19:19:58 or something Apr 23 19:19:59 I'm a guinness man born and breed Apr 23 19:20:09 probably brewed in bournemouth or something Apr 23 19:20:14 slaine: guiness is nice, too :) i mostly drink that when i'm here in germany -- if it's available. Apr 23 19:21:04 many generations of my family have worked at the guinness brewer, and now I work in one of their old buildings (converted to incubation office space) Apr 23 19:22:30 lcuk, send it to me, a couple of minutes in the street here should do the tricky :D Apr 23 19:22:59 cool, slaine :D Apr 23 19:23:04 i might just do that VDVsx Apr 23 19:23:11 :D Apr 23 19:23:12 I really think people should have stayed in the SF area instead of trying to get home earlier Apr 23 19:23:18 slaine: way cool Apr 23 19:23:23 ive got screwdriver handy too Apr 23 19:23:25 lol Apr 23 19:23:33 thiago_home: ah no, that like completely kills the whole fun of trying to get home. Apr 23 19:23:48 cheers guys :) Apr 23 19:24:04 now I'll probably have to go and buy some after the kids go to bed :) Apr 23 19:24:06 thiago_home, its horrid being stuck somewhere and wanting to get back Apr 23 19:24:46 * GAN900 is playing muffin man. Apr 23 19:24:47 you guys do this to us every Friday, but it is way too early for drinking here & Intel frowns on drunk employees during the work day :) Apr 23 19:25:01 ;) DawnFoster Apr 23 19:25:03 * VDVsx tries to convince someone to go out for beers :D Apr 23 19:25:19 DawnFoster, get them back, schedule all the meetings during drinking hours! Apr 23 19:25:23 DawnFoster: where are you ? Apr 23 19:25:52 GAN900: rather outsource your meetings to bars! :D Apr 23 19:25:52 slaine: I'm in Portland. It's only noon here, so I have a few hours to go :) Apr 23 19:25:57 And just call it uh ... Apr 23 19:26:00 It's 8:25pm here and a lovely sunny spring evening. Apr 23 19:26:04 Location outsourcing Apr 23 19:26:22 I should definitely have more meetings in bars! Apr 23 19:26:42 we do have this every Friday: http://portland.beerandblog.com/ Apr 23 19:26:43 DawnFoster: Its the feast of Maximum Occupancy, you shouldn't even be in the office!! Apr 23 19:27:14 you know, with so many people stuck in different situations, they must have all had a moment where *MOBILEDEVICE_X* did not work - to collect up what didnt work for them and try to make it work would be a good way to ensure you have supreme phone Apr 23 19:27:23 (i commented similar on aris blog too) Apr 23 19:27:26 truth is, I'm working from a coffee shop next to the university. I'm talking to a class about careers in community management in a half hour :) Apr 23 19:27:43 but this green tea is a poor substitute for happy hour Apr 23 19:28:07 DawnFoster, hint, vodka is soluable in tea ;) Apr 23 19:28:13 lcuk: handswing charging for n900 which doubles as a stand is obviously needed Apr 23 19:28:14 DawnFoster: I hope you're using MeeGo on a netbook in that coffee shop Apr 23 19:28:22 drinking during working hours.... not all companies appreciate that equally ;) Apr 23 19:28:26 DawnFoster, sounds like an interesting talk. Apr 23 19:28:29 Stskeeps, yes battery consumption is a problem on any journey Apr 23 19:28:46 lcuk: soluable? solvable? Apr 23 19:28:50 arjan: damn, it's always office hours somewhere, thats not fair Apr 23 19:28:51 ah nvm, soluble. Apr 23 19:29:04 heh Apr 23 19:29:07 slaine: that rule gets funny if you work from home as well Apr 23 19:29:15 "no alcohol on the work premise" vs wine cellar Apr 23 19:29:19 lol Apr 23 19:29:24 GAN900: Here's the presentation http://fastwonderblog.com/2010/04/23/online-community-manager-yes-its-really-a-job-2/ Apr 23 19:29:32 "damn i went into management meeting in my underpants. again" Apr 23 19:29:41 I like working from home sometimes, I've got better coffee Apr 23 19:29:46 hehe Apr 23 19:29:51 i worked from home for years Apr 23 19:30:01 if you ONLY work from home it's not good for you long term Apr 23 19:30:11 was just about to say as much Apr 23 19:30:15 i know that feeling, climbing the walls today Apr 23 19:30:18 with ssh, I can work from anywhere Apr 23 19:30:45 arjan yeah, it's nice to do both with days at home to focus & days in the office to bug people :) Apr 23 19:31:47 I often do it to avoid the commute. Say I've something on, rather than commuting and arriving at my desk at 11:30 or something. You can waste so much time just to be at a particular computer Apr 23 19:32:09 * Stskeeps misses having a commute Apr 23 19:32:22 time to listen to audio books, etc Apr 23 19:32:34 yeah traveling allows task switching time Apr 23 19:32:37 Stskeeps: Yeah, I get all my reading done on the bus Apr 23 19:32:45 I often use my dell mini 9 too Apr 23 19:32:48 * lbt thinks about the Helsinki sauna meetings... with jagermeister Apr 23 19:32:58 and cider Apr 23 19:33:18 didn't qualify as work Apr 23 19:33:19 :P Apr 23 19:33:29 not far off Apr 23 19:34:44 * lbt only came upstairs to ssh into the TV and see what it was doing Apr 23 19:34:53 lol lbt Apr 23 19:35:06 running dmesg on the telly.... spooky Apr 23 19:35:50