**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 25 02:59:56 2010 Apr 25 06:18:47 morning Apr 25 06:22:41 Good morning sts|home Apr 25 06:23:02 morning termana Apr 25 06:24:17 sts|home: having some nickname troubles? (never seen you use your nick like that :P) Apr 25 06:24:20 heya sts|home Apr 25 06:24:31 Termana: my irssi host is dead it looks like Apr 25 06:24:40 so this is from my actual location :P Apr 25 06:25:11 hear hear! let's ddos him ;) Apr 25 06:25:17 lol Apr 25 06:25:31 meh, been there before, i just switch to my 3g modem and go make a cup of coffee Apr 25 06:25:31 :P Apr 25 06:25:40 ;P Apr 25 06:25:55 3G is faster for you than your actual internet connection? Apr 25 06:26:06 no, but it's a nice backup Apr 25 06:26:15 ok Apr 25 06:26:54 th0br0: I assume he wouldn't show up where the attackers are going to find his 3G ip address :P Apr 25 06:27:00 Termana: got a fedora vm setup by chance? Apr 25 06:27:00 ;) Termana Apr 25 06:27:09 sts|home: i got fedora running here, why<ß Apr 25 06:27:18 sts|home: nnnnnoooo... should I have? :P Apr 25 06:27:30 Termana: yes - useful for what i'm about to have you do :P Apr 25 06:27:50 Will this message also explode? Apr 25 06:27:52 Termana: basically i'm going to ask you to try out generating mic2 images and such for n810 :P Apr 25 06:27:53 ;D Apr 25 06:28:03 so we can get things in a proper shape Apr 25 06:29:02 okey dokey. So I shall get some sort of fedora install? Apr 25 06:29:05 :nod: Apr 25 06:29:13 it's the best platform for generating images, so Apr 25 06:32:32 also, could you see if you could some way extract what version your BME is? Apr 25 06:48:37 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7VZ7AjIyt0 :D :) I rule :) Apr 25 06:49:33 not bad Apr 25 06:49:37 we should get meego on those Apr 25 06:49:37 :P Apr 25 06:49:56 sts|home: yes please Apr 25 06:49:59 :) Apr 25 06:50:16 sts|home: but i'm still tingly over the fact that it worked Apr 25 06:50:34 it's playing them over the network (NFS), interconnected with the resources of the house Apr 25 06:51:01 once i get pluto storage devices ported...you will be able to plug in any storage device to the SmartQ's USB port and have it show up house wide, instantly. Apr 25 08:27:37 Morning, all Apr 25 08:27:39 Anyone have links of interest for tomorrow's http://www.mwkn.net/? Or wants to become a regular contributor (http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Weekly_News#Contributor%20Reference)? Apr 25 08:30:29 Jaffa: got a video from someone who made a fremantle style task switcher for n8x0 Apr 25 08:30:31 sec Apr 25 08:30:53 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50689 Apr 25 08:31:31 sts|home: Ta. Want to be able to post links directly? :) Apr 25 08:31:42 work overload at the moment :P Apr 25 08:32:03 Anyone knows why SB2 dpkg would be coredumping on Ubuntu Karmic? Apr 25 08:36:19 sts|home: true Apr 25 08:40:58 Jaffa: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-April/001700.html Apr 25 08:41:13 too meego? Apr 25 08:44:27 lbt: RWG? I was about to go link hunting for that Apr 25 08:46:06 would be happy to help ... feeling a bit like the community isn't too bothered about it Apr 25 08:46:39 Nb... I want to call it "Surrounds" ... make sure you see Quim's email though Apr 25 08:46:53 lbt: indded Apr 25 08:49:40 Jaffa: howde Apr 25 08:51:25 Gibba: Howdy :) Got your Joggler yet? Apr 25 08:51:43 Nope, ordered quite late so I'm in the pile of ordered awaiting delivery. Apr 25 08:52:13 Hurchat is full of people whining about not getting theirs yet. People have called O2 and there seems to be no expected delivery date set yet. Apr 25 08:52:27 hurchat? Apr 25 08:52:38 sts|home: an internal IBM forum Apr 25 08:52:40 ah Apr 25 08:52:53 Gibba: Doh. Nice piece of kit. MeeGo is going to rock (if Stskeeps can solve his Qt issues) Apr 25 08:53:13 * Jaffa gives sts|home more pressure ;) Apr 25 08:53:28 I tried to take a look in vmware, but it didn't boot. Didn't work in virtualbox as that doesn't emulate a PAE kernel Apr 25 08:53:33 PAE CPU, sorry Apr 25 08:53:54 sts|home: Mer 0.17 is nice (especially compared with 0.15), but the lack of Hildonised apps is a problem :( Apr 25 08:54:21 yeah, agreed Apr 25 08:55:14 sts|home: How broken would things get if I uninstalled Mer's libhildon and installed the PR1.2 SDK ones? Apr 25 08:55:23 Right, that's breakfast done so back to rainy day activities for me i.e. spring cleaning at the mo ....dull! Apr 25 08:56:20 Jaffa: fairly - think there was a glib addition too Apr 25 09:07:55 [timeless@mxr.moego repo]$ ps -u timeless|grep curl|wc -l Apr 25 09:07:55 225 Apr 25 09:08:09 what are you fetching this time? Apr 25 09:08:23 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/repo/source/ Apr 25 09:08:27 ah Apr 25 09:08:31 there are ~1000 rpms there Apr 25 09:08:38 i'm also converting qt-git to qt-hg Apr 25 09:08:45 which has been running since thursday or friday Apr 25 09:09:01 (how do i ask Linux when a process started?) Apr 25 09:09:29 fwiw, mxr.moego.org/maemo6 has an index of most of that stuff Apr 25 09:09:48 i'll have a meego index or two up once things unpack Apr 25 09:10:06 ps -u timeless|grep curl|wc -l Apr 25 09:10:06 137 Apr 25 09:10:14 the process count is dropping fast :) Apr 25 09:10:15 i see there's been some activity Apr 25 09:10:41 repo]$ jobs|wc -l Apr 25 09:10:41 118 Apr 25 09:11:15 timeless_mbp: if you find the process in top it should say how long it's been running Apr 25 09:11:30 CosmoHill: i think it's giving cpu usage instead of wall clock time Apr 25 09:11:32 not certain Apr 25 09:12:37 i think you might be right there Apr 25 09:13:04 maybe find the pid file and check the creation date? Apr 25 09:13:40 dr-xr-xr-x 4 timeless timeless 0 Apr 23 07:14 /proc/19809 Apr 25 09:13:47 Sun Apr 25 18:13:42 JST 2010 Apr 25 09:13:50 why don't you use git? Apr 25 09:13:54 http://whygitisbetterthanx.com Apr 25 09:14:08 because i've already written tools which can deal w/ hg output Apr 25 09:14:15 and i don't really have the energy to deal with git Apr 25 09:14:17 timeless_mbp: so fix them Apr 25 09:14:19 rewrite them? output isn't that different Apr 25 09:14:20 i looked into it Apr 25 09:14:51 github is a bogus claim given available hg hosting Apr 25 09:15:22 my server clock is 37 seconds out of date Apr 25 09:15:28 not to mention that nokia uses gitorious, not github Apr 25 09:15:28 it was only 2 seconds last week :/ Apr 25 09:16:27 and i question the 'cheap local branching' item as relating to hg Apr 25 09:17:40 the only other item is git's staging area Apr 25 09:17:56 which is both too confusing to really consider and easily managed with hg if you really want to use it Apr 25 09:18:19 hg otoh has the advantage of decent documentation and command lines that i can figure out Apr 25 09:18:29 and yes, i have looked at and tried to improve git. i gave up Apr 25 09:18:42 i've also looked at and tried to improve bzr, i think i made it a bit farther, but not much Apr 25 09:18:51 otoh, i had no trouble contributing to mercurial Apr 25 09:19:06 i absolutely *hate* svn, and will be glad to see it dead Apr 25 09:19:27 i know some people like perforce, i think for its time it wasn't bad, and i can certainly appreciate that it's better than cvs Apr 25 09:20:10 woohoo, 14 rpms's left Apr 25 09:20:15 next step: convert them to source creatures Apr 25 09:35:01 http://mxr.moego.org/bonsai/cvsblame.cgi?file=home/launcher.cpp Apr 25 09:35:06 in case people are wondering what my tool does Apr 25 09:35:26 it needs a bit of help to properly link back to mxr Apr 25 09:35:35 you work for nokia? Apr 25 09:35:58 http://mxr.moego.org/meego/source/duihome/home/launcher.cpp Apr 25 09:36:06 is the file w/o vcs Apr 25 09:36:41 the email is the person who did it and the number is the commit revision? Apr 25 09:37:01 CosmoHill: i think http://wiki.meego.com/Who%27s_who covers your first question Apr 25 09:38:06 the email or thing (if people forge emails) is the whatever which was told to the vcs as the person who ostensibly did it, it /should/ be the author, but isn't necessarily Apr 25 09:38:30 the number is a local commit version, if you hover though you can see the other version which is more useful Apr 25 09:39:32 note that the numbers are based on an hg repo, which is only useful if you have my hg repo, i'll provide those so people could clone them if they like Apr 25 09:39:38 I'd add myself to the list if I had something to contribute Apr 25 09:40:05 http://mxr.moego.org/meego-hg/duihome/ Apr 25 09:40:21 would be the clone path if you wanted to get the repo that was being used by bonsai-hg Apr 25 09:40:42 I don't think I've used hg before Apr 25 09:41:11 well, i wouldn't suggest duihome as a starting point Apr 25 09:41:20 i picked it because i wanted something w/ more than one commit for a file Apr 25 09:41:56 feel free to pick anything from http://mxr.moego.org/meego/source/ Apr 25 09:42:07 (well, stay away from qt/ for now, that's still converting) Apr 25 09:42:26 (actually, maybe it isn't, i bet i'm cheating) Apr 25 09:43:13 I think I'll stick with SVN for now Apr 25 09:43:35 I also use git but so infrequently i need to look it up every time i do use it Apr 25 09:47:23 * CosmoHill offers timeless_mbp tea and biscuits Apr 25 09:48:00 you near HEL? Apr 25 09:48:08 HEL? Apr 25 09:48:14 Helsinky? Apr 25 09:49:14 s/ky/ki/ Apr 25 09:50:02 I'm from england Apr 25 09:50:23 i'm from the US, that doesn't mean i'm there :( Apr 25 09:50:24 I've just noticed, the freenode server I'm on is a main character from ghost in the shell Apr 25 09:50:37 I'm still in england :) Apr 25 09:51:05 the closest I've been to abroad is the isle of white Apr 25 09:51:40 typical brit ;-) Apr 25 09:55:05 * CosmoHill grumbles as he has to recode yesterday's work Apr 25 09:59:09 son of a bitch, my mouse battery died mid select Apr 25 10:08:32 th0br0: anyway, did you look at bonsai? Apr 25 10:08:40 bonsai~? Apr 25 10:08:44 kampai! ;D Apr 25 10:09:43 the first link i gave: http://mxr.moego.org/bonsai/cvsblame.cgi?file=home/launcher.cpp Apr 25 10:10:52 * timeless_mbp needs to finish off a few other pieces Apr 25 10:11:05 woah, google germany is now using an antialiased logo Apr 25 10:11:29 fix the link? ;) Apr 25 10:11:36 in which context did you give me htat link? Apr 25 10:11:42 nvm working Apr 25 10:11:56 2 months ago right? Apr 25 10:12:00 ? Apr 25 10:12:07 it's a randomly picked file Apr 25 10:12:15 it has nothing to do w/ me, it's just a demo of a tool Apr 25 10:12:36 the slow startup for bonsai is because it has to figure out which of a hundred repositories has that file Apr 25 10:12:41 Stskeeps: alive? Apr 25 10:12:47 (since the url doesn't give it any hints) Apr 25 10:15:56 * timeless_mbp looks for rpmbuild --i-do-not-care-about-dependencies Apr 25 10:16:06 I have a question for the programmers Apr 25 10:16:21 if you have a log prototype, do you split it onto two lines? Apr 25 10:20:20 I do love the fact that my text editor has built-in SVN support :) Apr 25 10:31:31 I've just noticed, the printer I've been given has expensive cartridges Apr 25 10:32:16 what do you mean by log prototype, CosmoHill? Apr 25 10:32:30 £13 for my printer and £40 for the one they gave me Apr 25 10:32:42 string listItems(); Apr 25 10:32:47 that's a prototype Apr 25 10:33:01 what about it? why should you actually want to split that onto two lines? Apr 25 10:33:03 it says what the function is, what is requires and returns Apr 25 10:33:11 ah you mean the doxygen comment? Apr 25 10:33:16 nope Apr 25 10:33:31 i mean if it's very long and causes you to scroll left and right Apr 25 10:33:57 well, yes i normally do that to prototypes then. sometimes... Apr 25 10:35:28 I just did a test print and firefox will wrap it for me Apr 25 10:36:29 I can print my code with syntax highlighting and line numbers :) but todo that my program generates a html file for it Apr 25 10:37:10 * CosmoHill offers vgrade tea Apr 25 10:37:33 So.... Apr 25 10:37:40 do NOT put CDs in the microwave Apr 25 10:37:52 Termana: or shatter them in your bedroom Apr 25 10:38:10 :P Apr 25 10:38:13 i kept finding little bits for a month afterwards Apr 25 10:38:33 I used to sell linux DVDs :) Apr 25 10:38:46 they either failed to burn or print correctly :( Apr 25 10:38:47 Mum brought home my two little brothers some happy meals - without telling me the toy (a game cd) was inside. I heated it up from them and smelt this weird smell Apr 25 10:39:05 DISC INSIDE!!!111!!!one Apr 25 10:39:31 CosmoHill: heh so you smashed them, because they didn't burn or print correctly? :P Apr 25 10:39:39 indeed Apr 25 10:39:44 * CosmoHill looks up Apr 25 10:39:54 I have a Fedora 9 x86 DVD on my wall :) Apr 25 10:40:13 iirc that went through the printer twice Apr 25 10:40:31 :P Apr 25 10:40:52 http://black-flag.co.uk/files/bsldev.png Apr 25 10:41:15 fyi never email debain Apr 25 10:41:28 my email got raped afterwards Apr 25 11:17:01 >.< Apr 25 11:17:19 I'm finished code with . and sentences with ; Apr 25 11:17:39 *finishing Apr 25 11:31:16 * CosmoHill sticks Freddy in his ball Apr 25 12:02:56 hrm Apr 25 12:03:03 how does one decode .tar.xz ? Apr 25 12:04:56 decode? Apr 25 12:05:02 you need xz-utils Apr 25 12:05:17 depending on your version of tar you may have to decompress it first Apr 25 12:05:19 suppose i don't have that Apr 25 12:05:25 easy way to find out Apr 25 12:05:29 type "xz --version" Apr 25 12:05:42 nate $ xz --version Apr 25 12:05:43 xz (XZ Utils) 4.999.9beta Apr 25 12:05:50 bash: xz: command not found Apr 25 12:05:55 timeless_mbp: or try this tar Jxf tarfile or tar jxf tarfile Apr 25 12:06:30 tar (GNU tar) 1.15.1 Apr 25 12:06:44 that's an old version Apr 25 12:06:59 1.21 and above support xz iirc Apr 25 12:07:09 Linux domU-12-31-39-0A-8C-36 2.6.16-xenU #1 SMP Mon May 28 03:41:49 SAST 2007 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux Apr 25 12:07:17 timeless_mbp: my advice would be to install xz and a newer version of tar Apr 25 12:07:18 CentOS release 5.4 (Final) Apr 25 12:07:30 timeless_mbp: Try - lzcat filename.tar.xz | tar xvf - Apr 25 12:07:40 timeless_mbp: ah you're running centOS, not mac os x Apr 25 12:07:52 try checking for updates? Apr 25 12:08:00 bash: lzcat: command not found Apr 25 12:08:03 i'm not root Apr 25 12:08:10 shouldn't matter Apr 25 12:08:28 checking for updates typically requires root or console Apr 25 12:08:30 i'm neither Apr 25 12:08:36 this isn't an n900 :) Apr 25 12:09:02 What matters no, I thought you were saying about the commands we were giving you :P Apr 25 12:09:22 wtf, I don't know why I typed "What matters no" Apr 25 12:09:31 timeless_mbp: want to here my idea? Apr 25 12:09:37 s/here/hear/ Apr 25 12:09:40 sure, why not? Apr 25 12:09:42 install xz to ~/apps Apr 25 12:09:59 then add ~/apps/bin to the front of your PATH Apr 25 12:10:09 well, i already have a ~/bin Apr 25 12:10:14 that will do Apr 25 12:10:26 * timeless_mbp wonders how to use rpmbuild to build xz Apr 25 12:10:29 I do this on systems I don't have root access too Apr 25 12:10:37 * timeless_mbp has a xz.spec file Apr 25 12:10:49 timeless_mbp: just use the OBS.... oh, wait... Apr 25 12:10:50 Or transfer the file to a computer that you can easily extract it on and transfer back Apr 25 12:11:02 lbt: i don't want to build the world Apr 25 12:11:06 all i'm doing is unpacking sources Apr 25 12:11:21 you said you wanted to build it Apr 25 12:11:28 timeless_mbp: is there a non .xz version to download? Apr 25 12:11:45 lbt: oh, well Apr 25 12:12:06 the spec doesn't have any source... it's essentially a build script Apr 25 12:12:42 lbt: what i mean is that i have the set Apr 25 12:13:35 * timeless_mbp can't figure out how to ask rpmbuild to build foo into a certain place Apr 25 12:13:56 are apps in rpm land relocatable? Apr 25 12:14:07 unless you're running meego you'll need either a meego chroot or a meego Apr 25 12:14:12 vm Apr 25 12:14:39 OBS is a "chroots for dummies" Apr 25 12:14:52 it makes a chroot and runs rpmbuild... that's it Apr 25 12:16:26 * timeless_mbp sighs Apr 25 12:16:30 * timeless_mbp doesn't have auto* Apr 25 12:16:35 and xz needs it Apr 25 12:17:27 why did someone invent yet another stupid compression alg/program? Apr 25 12:17:33 of course xz is already in meego... Apr 25 12:17:50 lbt: and i'm in centos in a cloud Apr 25 12:17:56 and i'm not root Apr 25 12:18:09 and i don't have enough of a toolchain to build stuff Apr 25 12:18:09 * lbt checks the chan name Apr 25 12:18:20 sorry for that assumption ;) Apr 25 12:18:23 if OBS requires a build toolchain to bootstrap, it won't work well Apr 25 12:18:29 lbt: i'm trying to index meego Apr 25 12:18:53 from a centos os on "not your machine"... Apr 25 12:18:55 but meego wasn't a viable option for ec2 when the box was setup Apr 25 12:19:29 s/setup/set up/ Apr 25 12:19:29 timeless_mbp meant: but meego wasn't a viable option for ec2 when the box was set up Apr 25 12:23:21 * timeless_mbp tries to figure out how to install obs Apr 25 12:24:29 lbt: the instructions involve using yum as root Apr 25 12:24:39 to install 'build' Apr 25 12:24:42 which i can't do Apr 25 12:24:48 i'm not root Apr 25 12:25:04 well, no kidding, you can't install stuff as not-root? Apr 25 12:25:11 what do you expect? Apr 25 12:25:52 seriously, you can't expect to setup a development environment without sw install rights Apr 25 12:27:11 * timeless_mbp disagrees Apr 25 12:27:19 * timeless_mbp has been doing it for more than a decade Apr 25 12:27:28 so why are you asking for help? Apr 25 12:28:06 maybe checkout rpm2cpio Apr 25 12:28:25 lbt: been there, already use that heavily Apr 25 12:28:53 that extracts binaries... so dl the correct rpm, get the xz binary from it and put it in ~/bin ? Apr 25 12:29:10 maybe need ~/lib and LD_PATH Apr 25 12:41:32 what is the roadmap and release schedule for meego? is there one yet? Apr 25 12:42:50 may 1.0, next one 6 months after i think Apr 25 12:45:25 so, is there any dev on updated going on on moblin project or is it all frozen? Apr 25 12:45:53 think moblin's practically merged into meego Apr 25 12:47:47 * timeless_mbp sighs Apr 25 12:47:50 obs is stupid Apr 25 12:48:01 what's the point of a sandbox if it requires root to create it? Apr 25 12:48:45 well, fakechroot might work Apr 25 12:49:06 so, sb2 is dead dead? Apr 25 12:49:19 Moblin has been renamed to Meego Apr 25 12:51:13 yes... i understand. does that mean there will be no updates for mobiln? Apr 25 12:51:19 well, rename is so much to be said.. but i can see where that interpretation causes some issues atm :P Apr 25 12:51:57 dark when a country changes its name Apr 25 12:52:04 do you expect improvements to the old country? Apr 25 12:52:16 are you still expecting improvements to the USSR Apr 25 12:52:30 or Czechoslovakia Apr 25 12:54:06 heh... Apr 25 12:54:30 the USSR is no more. Apr 25 12:54:41 nah, it just changed its name, it's now 'Russia' Apr 25 12:54:53 it had some spinoffs, but it's mostly just Russia Apr 25 12:54:59 but them, the then the former countries that make it u that split from it, now want to go back... Apr 25 12:55:02 so... Apr 25 12:55:09 do you expect improvements to German Democratic Republic ? Apr 25 12:55:21 or to Federal Republic of Germany Apr 25 12:56:10 so... they used to be part of prussia and austo-hungary.. they hated that.. so they became USSR... then they hated the USSR.. and split up... then they were reminded that it really sucks being a 4th class citizen in a germanic empire.. so now they want to be USSR again... Apr 25 12:56:12 * timeless_mbp wonders if people here are old enough to even recongzine those... Apr 25 12:56:13 hehe... Apr 25 12:56:34 s/ngzin/gniz/ Apr 25 12:56:37 maybe not... Apr 25 12:56:39 :-) Apr 25 12:57:01 when an entity changes its name or merges w/ another entity Apr 25 12:57:12 the people who were in an entity tend to continue doing what they've always been doing Apr 25 12:57:28 but their allegiance and branding is under the name of the new entity Apr 25 12:57:51 there are "updates" to all of those places (at least the cities and other infrastructure which was in their territories) Apr 25 12:57:52 anyways back to technoology... Apr 25 12:58:05 but the "updates" aren't called "GDR1.2" or "USSR3.6" Apr 25 12:58:13 they're "Germany, 2010" and "Russia 2010" Apr 25 12:58:15 where is a list of current project that are being migrated to meego? Apr 25 12:58:27 looking theough the TSG meeting notes and wiki.. sote... Apr 25 12:59:05 yeah.. right... Apr 25 12:59:10 More to the point: SB2 dpkg. Crashing. On Karmic. Any ideas? Apr 25 12:59:21 RST38h: i'm trying to setup sb2 on centos Apr 25 12:59:26 to host yum :) Apr 25 12:59:44 RST38h: but 'stackwanted' Apr 25 13:00:35 * RST38h sighs and waits for Jukka to answer his email Apr 25 13:01:49 RST38h: try to re-enable vdso Apr 25 13:03:00 darko: the only projects i know of that merged into meego are moblin and maemo Apr 25 13:03:09 there are other vendors who have indicated they're going to work in it Apr 25 13:03:12 RST38h: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash/+bug/452175 Apr 25 13:03:20 but i haven't kept score, that's typically something wikipedia does best Apr 25 13:05:03 e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_System_divestiture Apr 25 13:05:53 * timeless_mbp grumbles Apr 25 13:05:59 sb2 requires a working build environment Apr 25 13:06:07 why does everyone require a working build environment? Apr 25 13:10:41 Stskeeps: Yea, except this sucker seems to have been "fixed" in the kernel I have Apr 25 13:10:57 RST38h: hm, dunno Apr 25 13:11:06 i gave up on everything scratchbox except in working hours Apr 25 13:11:07 :P Apr 25 13:11:24 Lucky guy Apr 25 13:11:37 Log says: This bug was fixed in the package linux - 2.6.31-20.57 Apr 25 13:11:59 Uname says: Linux endymion 2.6.31-20-generic #58-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 12 05:23:09 UTC 2010 Apr 25 13:14:25 Hi! How usable is MeeGo on the n900 at the moment? Apr 25 13:14:37 it is not Apr 25 13:14:50 ok Apr 25 13:14:52 thanks Apr 25 13:15:01 fosstux: it's a x terminal, but it is a functional xterm Apr 25 13:15:08 okay Apr 25 13:15:26 fosstux: go read harri's post on meego-dev on meego n900 hw adaptation status Apr 25 13:15:46 * Stskeeps tries to find Apr 25 13:16:06 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50763 Apr 25 13:18:03 * timeless_mbp is building m4 Apr 25 13:18:10 after i build m4, maybe i'll be able to build auto* Apr 25 13:18:15 and then maybe i can build obs Apr 25 13:18:18 (doesn't seem likely) Apr 25 13:19:52 Stskeeps: thank you! Apr 25 13:19:57 Bye! Apr 25 13:23:42 timeless_mbp: you know that obs uses chroot... Apr 25 13:23:55 and you need root to chroot Apr 25 13:23:58 which requires su? Apr 25 13:24:04 i'll build sb2 instead :) Apr 25 13:24:11 same problem AFAIK Apr 25 13:24:13 i still need autoconf either way Apr 25 13:24:14 no Apr 25 13:24:17 sb2 doesn't Apr 25 13:24:21 that much i know Apr 25 13:24:25 i've even built it on osx and solaris Apr 25 13:24:29 (it doesn't work there, but..) Apr 25 13:24:51 sb2 does its magic by using tricks against libc (roughly) Apr 25 13:29:18 Stskeeps: Is there any way to switch sb2 to using host tools? Apr 25 13:29:32 * RST38h never liked the idea of running tools inside qemu anyway Apr 25 13:29:45 RST38h: -e Apr 25 13:33:31 does rpmbuild rebuild each time or will it used cached output? Apr 25 13:33:48 Stskeeps: sb2 -e? Doesn't it simply start the shell? Apr 25 13:34:00 no, it runs everything emulated Apr 25 13:34:03 oh Apr 25 13:34:05 opposite Apr 25 13:34:14 no idea, isn't that what the mappings are for? Apr 25 13:34:39 * RST38h does not even know what mappings are Apr 25 13:34:40 * timeless_mbp grumbles Apr 25 13:34:54 ok, so rpmbuild keeps clobbering Apr 25 13:38:50 * RST38h wonders if sacrificing a black pigmy goat will make SB2 work again. Apr 25 13:53:25 + %make_install Apr 25 13:53:25 /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.98230: line 33: fg: no job control Apr 25 13:53:30 * timeless_mbp frowns Apr 25 13:57:14 why do you need an RPM? Apr 25 14:01:37 i don't need an rpm Apr 25 14:01:43 i need a working build env Apr 25 14:01:55 which means i need m4, auto*, and i dunno Apr 25 14:07:58 but your on someone else's server and don't have it? Apr 25 14:11:21 roughly Apr 25 14:11:41 you're on a company's server and they don't trust you Apr 25 14:11:42 i'm on a computer in a cloud without root access Apr 25 14:11:54 i don't trust me! Apr 25 14:11:57 damn that helicopter is loud Apr 25 14:12:50 they're going nuts up there Apr 25 14:12:58 first a helicopter, then a plane and a glider Apr 25 14:13:09 at least...i hope it's a glider... Apr 25 14:13:34 timeless_mbp: i went to a seminar about cloud computing Apr 25 14:13:57 learnt some stuff and cool things Apr 25 14:14:03 they have seminars about this stuff? Apr 25 14:14:19 yeah Apr 25 14:14:34 anyway, this is really just normal "i'm not god, but i have access to a compiler and want to get work done" Apr 25 14:14:38 i've been doing it since 1998 Apr 25 14:14:50 it's doable, but linux does not make it easy Apr 25 14:15:03 Thats right Apr 25 14:15:04 :( Apr 25 14:15:11 Because in Linux your SUPPOSE to be god Apr 25 14:15:17 Rule with an iron fist Apr 25 14:15:22 I might do something about cloud computing in my dissertation Apr 25 14:15:28 and LART the idiots who question your authorti Apr 25 14:15:35 Termana: which never made sense to me Apr 25 14:15:41 (purposely misspelled btw) Apr 25 14:15:42 i didn't see how that was better than windows Apr 25 14:16:02 Termana: you're, supposed =( Apr 25 14:16:34 ok they weren't purposely misspelled and gramatically incorrect Apr 25 14:16:37 at uni we have a mix of systems Apr 25 14:16:51 the lecturing labs have thing clients that connect to a VM Apr 25 14:17:04 the library has thin clients to look things up and PCs to do work Apr 25 14:17:17 and their are computers everywhere connected to TVs to display information Apr 25 14:17:32 a pico box and wifi would be better Apr 25 16:49:52 how easy is it to write something to read an xml file and generate objects from it? Apr 25 16:50:01 in c++ Apr 25 16:51:51 CosmoHill: libxml++ Apr 25 16:52:00 with that, fairly easy Apr 25 16:54:27 i have libxml2 installed Apr 25 16:54:56 is that is? Apr 25 17:02:04 i think i might use CSV for my assignment Apr 25 17:04:37 Anyone noticed that no emails on maillist for 2 days, or is it just me? Apr 25 17:04:51 weekend? :P Apr 25 17:04:57 but yeah Apr 25 17:05:48 Hi Stskeeps. I browsed the IRC log, looks like you are doing some real work ... Apr 25 17:06:22 he's just good at karma whoring Apr 25 17:06:26 (but yes, he's productive) Apr 25 17:07:23 Public IRC logs, preserving your mistakes for the world to see. Apr 25 17:11:36 I see. I spent a few days (a couple of hours a day :) ) to figure out that Day one release is actually a basic moblin (or fedora?) command line "UI" release, just like announced. Apr 25 17:11:56 what did you think it was, android UI? ;) Apr 25 17:12:27 Seems more packages are added/updated but I have no ideas where MeeGo is heading. Apr 25 17:13:11 guess we'll first know at 1.0 :/ Apr 25 17:13:14 ezjd, the UI went internal for the transition for some stupid (business/legal) reason. Apr 25 17:13:20 Should be going public "soon". Apr 25 17:13:57 Stskeeps: actually, I also compared with Debian grip, I don't see much different, feature wise. Apr 25 17:17:28 I have a question about distribution dev. Looks like MeeGo creates its "home grow" packages in git and all others in repo(src rpm), I am wondering if it is the normal style to do version control. Apr 25 17:20:59 ... because I don't see patchs to upstream pkg are under version control except for kernel. Apr 25 17:23:13 well, except in OBS Apr 25 17:23:25 there's a revision log when you commit a package s Apr 25 17:23:26 o Apr 25 17:27:54 Stskeeps, thx! I think OBS uses Subversion so that it is the VCS for distribution and git is for individual packages. Apr 25 17:36:36 I gotta go. Bye! Apr 25 17:36:45 cya Apr 25 22:55:56 ffs Apr 25 22:56:20 xchat opens #meego in a new tab and replaces the old #meego tap with the other channel I'm in Apr 25 23:48:18 * CosmoHill is on 0% battery :o Apr 25 23:48:41 * CosmoHill is power by magic Apr 25 23:51:14 it'll probably run an hour of light use still Apr 25 23:53:12 ShadowJK: you where saying? Apr 25 23:53:17 (were Apr 25 23:53:34 laptop? Apr 25 23:53:39 aye Apr 25 23:53:55 I was assuming n900 ;-) Apr 25 23:54:08 that sounds like it costs money Apr 25 23:54:18 so do laptops Apr 25 23:54:40 this is 4 and a half years old Apr 25 23:54:45 well some of it is :/ Apr 26 00:09:23 cyas Apr 26 01:09:22 good morning **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Apr 26 02:59:56 2010