**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 26 02:59:56 2010 Apr 26 04:04:03 has it been clarified what wold still be closed in meego? Apr 26 04:05:41 smhar, define "MeeGo" :rolleyes: Apr 26 04:06:58 GAN900, Meego the OS Apr 26 04:10:52 smhar, yeah, not specific enough. :) Apr 26 04:12:26 GAN900, I mean what components of the OS will still be closed sources and not Free, ie, Calendar frontend, etc Apr 26 08:00:59 Hello Apr 26 08:58:14 link to Qt Quick presentation at LiCS 2010: http://slidesha.re/aWOFdL Apr 26 09:02:57 hi Apr 26 09:03:12 hi Apr 26 09:03:13 what is the login for meego rootfs Apr 26 09:03:58 meego Apr 26 09:04:10 pwd? Apr 26 09:04:28 root/meego , that is Apr 26 09:04:34 ok Apr 26 10:41:20 Good Morning, I have a devkit8000 with omap35x (beagle board clone) and I would like to put meego inside to do some tests with gstreamer, anybody could help with first steps? Thanks. Apr 26 10:43:38 mfar, http://wiki.meego.com/ARM Apr 26 10:44:06 I have seen it but it seems that it is for a N900 Apr 26 10:44:46 do you think that it could work on another arm based system? Apr 26 10:48:11 'lo mfar Apr 26 10:48:17 yes, try to grab the open image Apr 26 10:48:54 it's pretty generic though Apr 26 10:49:12 thanks Stskeeps Apr 26 11:00:27 DawnFoster: is there another TSG this week ? Apr 26 11:01:30 should be Apr 26 11:47:33 * CosmoHill goes looking for his memory stick Apr 26 11:48:03 found it ^.^ Apr 26 12:05:31 is transifex goign to support QTlinguist ? Apr 26 12:05:37 *going Apr 26 12:16:09 hi all Apr 26 12:16:15 hi Apr 26 12:17:11 What is the relation of SDK http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/ with MeeGo SDK? Apr 26 12:20:02 I have no idea ^.^ Apr 26 12:20:25 Anyone? Apr 26 12:21:59 anybody a lead on the transifex question? Apr 26 12:23:00 J_P: are the apps written in Qt? Apr 26 12:23:09 J_P: I think it has NO relation. The SDK is for the Intel AppUp Center, AFAIK its Moblin only Apr 26 12:24:08 J_P, an excellent question, and one of the reasons I found it so hard to understand the switch from Clutter/C to Qt, considering how much they where investing in the Moblin SDK side Apr 26 12:24:30 Termana: Erm, Moblin is gone, replaced by MeeGo, so there'll have to be some relevance. Apr 26 12:25:15 slaine: right, Intel AppUp will be in MeeGo - but I don't think it has any relevance right now Apr 26 12:26:40 Of course, I could be talking out of my arse entirely. Apr 26 12:26:55 Just to let you all know, I don't know what I'm talking about :P Apr 26 12:27:04 we know but we love you anyway Apr 26 12:27:04 :P Apr 26 12:29:56 Stskeeps :P heh - btw, I think I got a dud Fedora download - it just gets stuck at a black screen during booting (unless it takes more than (at least) 2 hours to boot into the live cd :P). I'll have to do a redownload (also check the iso md5) sometime (too late right now though) Apr 26 12:30:03 lovely Apr 26 12:30:03 heh Apr 26 12:30:03 :P Apr 26 12:30:08 yes, So that SDK is dead (substituition by qt) Apr 26 13:36:10 I just found http://test.cc/ when i typed it in as a file name Apr 26 14:45:34 hey DawnFoster Apr 26 14:45:45 hey CosmoHill Apr 26 14:46:13 morning DawnFoster (and the rest of the intelians waking up) Apr 26 14:46:50 I'm just pretending to be awake - I need more tea before I'm coherent :) Apr 26 14:51:00 Apr 26 14:51:36 first sign of nokians collapsing on their keyboard after a long work day ;) Apr 26 14:51:45 * leinir giggles :) Apr 26 14:52:21 Nah, that would'be been caught by the cat-like-typing or face-to-keyboard functions that're built into Qt's input system... or something ;) Apr 26 14:54:44 #include Apr 26 14:54:59 Something like that ;) Apr 26 14:55:09 if(keyboard.input() == face) Apr 26 14:55:20 { cout << "the user has passed out" << endl; } Apr 26 14:55:31 * CosmoHill has been doing C++ for the last three days Apr 26 14:56:21 I'm pretty pleased with myself now Apr 26 14:56:30 CosmoHill: good Apr 26 14:56:35 the main problems I have are typos and missing semi-colons Apr 26 14:56:37 hey slaine Apr 26 14:56:42 :) Apr 26 14:56:54 I hate mondays Apr 26 14:56:57 and also being told my the lecture that I've done something wrong and have to move it Apr 26 14:57:11 I like to move it ...move it Apr 26 14:57:18 you like to Apr 26 14:57:19 damn you Apr 26 14:57:26 * CosmoHill has that song stuck in his head now Apr 26 14:57:29 lol Apr 26 14:57:36 oh it's gone Apr 26 14:57:46 does help that I have slipknot on Apr 26 14:57:50 hehe Apr 26 14:58:08 long sleeve shirts are good cos my arm's aren't rubbing against the edge of the desk when i type now :) Apr 26 14:58:12 * slaine is listening to ChronixAggression atm Apr 26 14:59:25 btw would anyone like to see my program when it's nearly done? Apr 26 14:59:34 yup Apr 26 14:59:51 your lecturer Apr 26 14:59:54 boom 'tish Apr 26 15:00:01 Try the fish Apr 26 15:00:12 does it throw anything? Apr 26 15:00:24 DawnFoster: the metrics idea looks really nice - words can only say as much, but statistics can help show the invisible problems :) Apr 26 15:00:50 My wife, she thinks Cooking and Cleaning are two cities in China Apr 26 15:01:04 Be-doom 'tish Apr 26 15:01:27 my lecturer said I'd fit in well in china cos I'm skinny Apr 26 15:02:29 Sorry, that one wasn't funny Apr 26 15:02:45 that wasn't meant to be, he actually said that to me Apr 26 15:03:15 it's a weird thing for a lecturer to say Apr 26 15:03:19 Nice to see racism is alive and well Apr 26 15:04:10 slaine: http://wiki.meego.com/Metrics re openness Apr 26 15:04:16 my lecturer is chinesse, I'm not Apr 26 15:04:22 he says he feels fat there Apr 26 15:04:45 stskeeps: I love metrics - it's a good way to see what's working / not working in the community Apr 26 15:05:06 you're not talking about meters, kilometers, litres etc are you? Apr 26 15:05:16 no, look at the url i just posted Apr 26 15:05:16 it's also a nice way to summarize what's going on for the people who don't spend all day in the community the way I do :) Apr 26 15:05:39 oo Apr 26 15:05:43 that sounds very good Apr 26 15:05:43 feel free to chip on any of those to-dos at the bottom :) Apr 26 15:06:08 a lot of fun algorithms and statistics could be run on that data, yeah Apr 26 15:06:15 put your name beside any you are actively working on to avoid duplication. Apr 26 15:07:55 best of all, it would be a good way to quantify that open source works :P Apr 26 15:09:40 DawnFoster: have you done any metrics work in previous jobs that's published? Apr 26 15:09:45 * Stskeeps got curious about the topic, so Apr 26 15:09:55 stskeeps - no, it was always internal Apr 26 15:09:59 alright Apr 26 15:10:22 Interesting stuff alright Apr 26 15:10:24 I have metrics from March - I need to do a quick review to make sure that I can publish them to the community Apr 26 15:10:53 I'd say things tailed off from the start of march Apr 26 15:11:04 is the dashboard something like you'd have on your bebo homepage? Apr 26 15:11:43 slaine - early indications show that April should be up from March Apr 26 15:12:27 could be nice since we're starting on a project this much by scratch, to establish a lot of data - such as noting who's attached to what teams/wgs/whatever in a machine-understandable form Apr 26 15:14:15 DawnFoster: cool Apr 26 15:14:35 anaZ: ping Apr 26 15:15:20 stskeeps - I'm focused on just a few of the many things we could measure. I'd love to see community members help gather some more comprehensive data Apr 26 15:15:26 :nod: Apr 26 15:15:33 * Stskeeps bookmarks Apr 26 15:15:37 thanks Apr 26 15:18:21 think a lot of it also deals with adding metadata to member records so connections can be made Apr 26 15:20:42 slaine: I've done just under 2000 lines of code Apr 26 15:23:02 stskeeps: agreed. I'd like to have some more info about members, too. Apr 26 15:28:21 Alright, commute time Apr 26 15:28:31 I might be around later if I get a bit of time Apr 26 15:28:52 cyas slingr Apr 26 15:28:55 dammit Apr 26 15:39:52 okay sitting at my desk all day is making my back hurt :/ Apr 26 15:42:15 DawnFoster: whilst you're on this topic don't forget http://djangopeople.net/ Apr 26 15:43:48 Have you added it to the list of proposed tasks? http://wiki.meego.com/Community_working_group#Tasks Apr 26 15:47:00 OK, will do Apr 26 15:51:48 act Apr 26 15:51:51 Erks. Apr 26 15:52:20 FYI the btrfs implementation in the 2.6.33.1 kernel misreports free space Apr 26 18:29:38 * w00t_ takes a leak in GeneralAntilles' cornflakes. :P Apr 26 18:30:30 w00t_, you bitch! Apr 26 18:30:51 lol, now he's pissed :-D Apr 26 18:30:56 * GAN900 woke up on the right side of the bed today, so context may help. Apr 26 18:32:30 mailing list Apr 26 18:33:12 w00t_, oh, the maintainership thing? Apr 26 18:33:21 yeah Apr 26 18:33:42 That wasn't a sarcastic smile. :P Apr 26 18:34:26 As an aside, Andy Wilson was the business guy on the the MeeGo technical panel. Apr 26 18:35:03 mmm Apr 26 18:35:35 I was doing just as valhalla told us, anyway. :P Apr 26 18:52:34 hi Apr 26 18:54:22 i am trying to get meego running on my gigabyte m912x (convertible tablet). it runs so far, but i am looking for an app to rotate the screen and to calibrate the touchscreen Apr 26 18:54:42 thx for your help ahead of time Apr 26 18:57:20 no one an idea? Apr 26 20:01:20 we have a tentative location for the MeeGo conference in Huelva, Spain http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Summit_2010#Tentative_Location_for_the_MeeGo_Conference Any thoughts (like / dislike)? Apr 26 20:02:18 my friend went to spain and said that it was great cos his hayfever didn't play up Apr 26 20:04:00 Good input. :P Apr 26 20:04:56 :) Apr 26 20:07:30 * Stskeeps looks at the map Apr 26 20:08:29 hayfever sucks >.< Apr 26 20:08:30 Stskeeps - south of Spain on the beach, so it's really cheap in November :) Apr 26 20:08:51 any idea on costs? Apr 26 20:08:59 (euros would be nice) Apr 26 20:09:03 yeah, just pondering on travel Apr 26 20:09:14 Hopefully we'll still have sponsorship budget Apr 26 20:09:19 the wiki has room costs in euros Apr 26 20:09:31 90-100 per night Apr 26 20:09:35 you've assuming i clicked in the link :p Apr 26 20:09:39 :) Apr 26 20:09:56 we're trying to keep the costs reasonable for people Apr 26 20:10:35 flights into Faro should be reasonable (RyanAir, etc.) and we'll pay for chartered busses to transport people from Faro to huelva Apr 26 20:10:47 it's about an hour away from the airport Apr 26 20:10:54 Come to the US. Hotels are cheap here. ;) Apr 26 20:10:57 is it mainly for companies to send their people or anyone who is interested? Apr 26 20:11:08 for anyone who is interested Apr 26 20:11:23 gan900 probably in the US next year Apr 26 20:11:34 Finally Apr 26 20:11:36 hmm, the US, British accent, girl? sounds like fun :) Apr 26 20:11:47 girls* Apr 26 20:11:50 CosmoHill, lol Apr 26 20:12:12 i duno if you've ever seen layer cake but that's what I'm thinking Apr 26 20:12:23 CosmoHill, well, previous sponsorship budgets for Maemo Summits were for community people. Apr 26 20:12:30 Yes, several times. Apr 26 20:12:55 we have regular english accents and special accents for hot girls :) Apr 26 20:13:52 I also posted a poll here if you want to weigh in on the location: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=88 Apr 26 20:14:00 I seem to be doing what I do on our forums, I gather information for other people with no intention of actually going Apr 26 20:14:46 "I love it" has 100% of 1 Votes Apr 26 20:14:46 :p Apr 26 20:14:59 faro's in portugal? Apr 26 20:16:44 CosmoHill - yep, that was my vote when I create the poll 5 min ago :) Apr 26 20:17:03 Faro is in Portugal, but it's the closest airport to Huelva Apr 26 20:17:16 super moderator? do you have a cape? Apr 26 20:17:20 Yes Apr 26 20:17:22 :) Apr 26 20:17:24 :D Apr 26 20:17:51 I have a cape too :) Apr 26 20:18:37 is that a debranded bullitin forum? Apr 26 20:18:50 it's vBulletin Apr 26 20:20:17 ah, faro does make sense for huelva Apr 26 20:21:14 Welcome to the Meego Convention in Spain (Via Portugal) Apr 26 20:24:24 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=75 Apr 26 20:24:51 this may seem a stupid question, but why use both 24 hour and 12 hour clocks in the same thing? Apr 26 20:30:11 DawnFoster: I see there is a vote for the time for the TSG meetings, will there be another one for the day? Apr 26 20:33:10 CosmoHill: the vote is actually for a new Community Working group meeting, not the TSG Apr 26 20:33:20 ah I see Apr 26 20:33:40 so the TSG is still 19:00 UTC on wednesday? Apr 26 20:33:49 probably the least worst of all times, heh Apr 26 20:34:14 it's good for me :) Apr 26 20:34:28 however I do tune out half way through :( Apr 26 20:34:49 yeah, the TSG is still 19:00 UTC - no time we pick is idea, but it works for both Imad & Valtteri :) Apr 26 20:34:56 idea=ideal Apr 26 20:35:29 aye, pick what's best for the key people Apr 26 21:27:05 * lbt looks around.... Apr 26 21:30:13 * CosmoHill pokes lbt Apr 26 22:17:15 nite all, sweet dreams Apr 26 23:17:02 any C++ gods in here? Apr 26 23:19:27 CosmoHill, you might be being too specific Apr 26 23:20:01 http://linuxfromscratch.pastebin.com/Dy0RtVEk Apr 26 23:23:21 CosmoHill, you misspelt the parameter in the constructor Apr 26 23:23:31 so its using the uninitialised default to initialise itself Apr 26 23:23:56 you can not hear the flilth coming out of my mouth at the moment Apr 26 23:23:57 (assuming you're using gcc, look into using -Wshadow - it would have caught that error) Apr 26 23:24:00 :) Apr 26 23:24:24 that was taken my freaking hours Apr 26 23:24:24 hey w00t_ Apr 26 23:24:30 i hear you have a gsoc stdent this year Apr 26 23:24:33 lcuk: you know how you and I talked about unit tests? http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/merge_requests/575 :) Apr 26 23:24:44 CosmoHill, standard procedure for me to notice lol Apr 26 23:25:08 :) good w00t_ Apr 26 23:25:47 CosmoHill, thats the sort of thing thats put into exam questions Apr 26 23:29:37 * CosmoHill glares at lcuk Apr 26 23:30:05 lol CosmoHill its just natural for me to notice Apr 26 23:30:14 as soon as i read the problem definition i saw it :P Apr 26 23:30:39 fwiw I've had this happen to me too before, so you're not alone Apr 26 23:31:13 CosmoHill, the "hard" ones are gateposting/off by 1 errors in large formulas hit infreuqnetly Apr 26 23:31:35 (think blitter/stretchblit routines) Apr 26 23:32:05 and for info - i never give parameters the same name as the private members within Apr 26 23:32:27 con(unsigned int acharacterid, ...) Apr 26 23:32:46 makes sure it never happens accidentally Apr 26 23:33:04 * w00t_ uses prefixing for members (like m_), nowdays, useful habit for avoiding exactly this Apr 26 23:33:24 yeah same effect Apr 26 23:34:01 CosmoHill, when all else fails, blast it with printfs (or equiv) Apr 26 23:34:41 oh i have Apr 26 23:34:58 I've been catching through 5 classes Apr 26 23:39:29 evening DawnFoster \o Apr 26 23:40:18 or no Apr 26 23:40:20 t Apr 26 23:40:38 lol Apr 26 23:40:41 hah Apr 26 23:40:46 you scared her off lcuk Apr 26 23:41:03 i have a feeling she will return Apr 26 23:41:06 :p Apr 26 23:41:10 nah Apr 26 23:41:15 i'd be like "oh crap he's here" *run* Apr 26 23:41:17 :p Apr 26 23:42:14 * lcuk nods Apr 26 23:43:46 she'll return...with weapons this time Apr 26 23:44:54 heh Apr 26 23:58:12 navigation.hpp:84: error: extra qualification ‘locationClass::’ on member ‘giveItems’ Apr 26 23:58:12 make: *** [main.o] Error 1 Apr 26 23:58:13 hmm Apr 27 00:01:29 hi Apr 27 00:02:01 how can i write the meego usbimage? Apr 27 00:02:21 i have lenovo netbook Apr 27 00:02:53 efraim: you don't want it atm, there's no UI that's been released yet Apr 27 00:03:02 efraim: you will just get a blank screen with an X terminal Apr 27 00:03:42 ohhh Apr 27 00:03:49 i see a video Apr 27 00:04:20 nice interface Apr 27 00:05:17 meego Linux hacker UX Apr 27 00:05:28 hummm Apr 27 00:05:46 the video is official INTEL VIDEO Apr 27 00:06:31 efraim: it's not released yet Apr 27 00:06:50 84 bool locationClass::giveItems(playerClass * playerP, string name); Apr 27 00:06:58 how did my gcc not see that Apr 27 00:16:08 cyas Apr 27 00:48:57 good morning Apr 27 01:22:06 hi again Apr 27 02:11:58 hellow **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Apr 27 02:59:57 2010