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May 09 06:19:37 <cotigao> hi, i am new to meego.. and would like know to know how to setup the meego environment as in scratchbox, emulator... I am more inclined towards middleware components
May 09 07:33:10 <cotigao> hi, from where can i download the meego SDK?
May 09 07:33:48 <Stskeeps> not really out yet but start with qt sdk
May 09 07:34:57 <Termana> good morning Stskeeps
May 09 07:38:20 <cotigao> Stskeeps, thanks ... actually i am new to meego and more inclined towards middleware (multimedia components)... so just wondering as to how to setup the environment, like scratchbox, qemu, etc
May 09 07:42:30 <Stskeeps> cotigao: the good news is that you dont have to deal with scratchbox
May 09 07:43:30 <cotigao> Stskeeps, oh.. so how do i go about it?
May 09 07:45:54 <Stskeeps> cotigao: well, wiki.meego.com/Developing_in_a_MeeGo_Environment for codedrop. hopefully community obs and madde should help matters
May 09 07:45:59 <Stskeeps> in 1.0
May 09 07:53:17 <cotigao> Stskeeps, i see..  so will it help  if i get some hands-on maemo first and then transit to meego? (as both are new to me!)
May 09 07:55:20 <lbt> cotigao: probably not. One factor is probably what devices you have
May 09 07:55:44 <lbt> maemo is debian/deb based MeeGo is rpm based
May 09 08:18:20 <pupnik> mahlzeit
May 09 09:38:34 * CosmoHill watches Kix TV
May 09 11:23:21 * CosmoHill dances
May 09 11:27:03 <CosmoHill> I got a car insurance quote of £890 for an Alfa Romeo 156 :D
May 09 12:15:03 <th0br0> heya.
May 09 12:15:12 <CosmoHill> hey
May 09 12:15:14 <Stskeeps> moo
May 09 12:18:54 <th0br0> :)
May 09 13:17:13 <sivang> rehi all
May 09 13:17:16 <sivang> Been a while
May 09 13:17:28 <sivang> I'd like to apologize in advance for my question.
May 09 13:17:59 <sivang> How come, we have the same hardware on the N900 and much less good performance and responsiveness than Apple's OS X on their same SOC ?
May 09 13:18:09 <sivang> it is roughly the same, 600mhz a8 cortex isn't it?
May 09 13:18:19 <sivang> (/me wonders if I he should have asked this at #maemo)
May 09 13:18:26 <jensp> apple isn't running OSX on the iphone
May 09 13:18:42 <sivang> ah...
May 09 13:18:43 <sivang> I see
May 09 13:18:50 <sivang> so a very trimmed version of it?
May 09 13:19:01 <sivang> while we are running a full blown linux on it, Maemo right?
May 09 13:19:05 <GAN900> sivang, because Apple is pushing less than half the pixels around, too.
May 09 13:19:11 <jensp> sivang: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_OS
May 09 13:19:26 <sivang> GAN900: you mean, much less resolution ?
May 09 13:19:37 <GAN900> Yes
May 09 13:19:56 <sivang> I see.
May 09 13:19:59 <GAN900> Which means a much smoother experience
May 09 13:20:09 <GAN900> But much less information on screen.
May 09 13:20:10 <sivang> GAN900: exactly, you hit straight to my question
May 09 13:20:23 <sivang> GAN900: their facebook widgets are so snappy to show you pictures
May 09 13:20:29 <GAN900> So, it's a tradeoff with current hardware.
May 09 13:20:37 <sivang> GAN900: from you facebook account or others, and the navigation is amazingly snappy and slick
May 09 13:20:43 <GAN900> It's also a function of optimization
May 09 13:20:57 <GAN900> Apple has thousands of people dedicated to the iPhone
May 09 13:21:01 <sivang> GAN900: so Maemo has went under much less optimization ? do you think it could reach the same performance ?
May 09 13:21:11 <GAN900> With Nokia it's more like dozens
May 09 13:21:12 <sivang> GAN900: given we ditch upstrat ;)
May 09 13:21:15 <GAN900> Sure
May 09 13:21:22 <sivang> upstart is killing me on the N900
May 09 13:21:24 <sivang> seriously
May 09 13:21:43 <GAN900> But there's always a tradeoff with lots of optimization and actually getting a product to market in a sane amount of time.
May 09 13:21:49 <sivang> true
May 09 13:21:56 <sivang> N900 is unprecedented in time to market
May 09 13:22:01 <sivang> albeit rough on the edges
May 09 13:22:03 <Stskeeps> what's wrong with upstart?
May 09 13:22:03 <sivang> I still love it
May 09 13:22:28 <sivang> Stskeeps: due to the starting services in the background, it takes a great while to have the phone ready for use once you boot it.
May 09 13:22:51 <sivang> Stskeeps: and iPhone OS boots and viola! ready to use.
May 09 13:23:22 <sivang> Stskeeps: I'd rather wait the same amount of time or a bit longer, but know edactly when the machien is ready for use
May 09 13:24:23 <Stskeeps> that is more the fault of the setup, not mechanism
May 09 13:24:24 <GAN900> Don't reboot
May 09 13:24:29 <GAN900> Is the simple answer
May 09 13:25:26 <sivang> GAN900: but even if I don't, there are problems with responsivness all the time.
May 09 13:25:40 <sivang> GAN900: especially when multiple events arrive or call one after another or an email and than a call.
May 09 13:28:32 <Termana> sivang, webOS uses upstart as well, I don't think webOS users have complained about responsiveness problems
May 09 13:28:43 <silver_hook> Hullo. Is it possible to run MeeGo on anything else then the one or two Nokia phones?
May 09 13:28:47 <Termana> Nor have I seen too many people complain about responsiveness on the n900
May 09 13:28:57 <sivang> Termana: What sort of hardware do they run on?
May 09 13:29:07 <Termana> sivang, the same as the n900
May 09 13:29:11 <Termana> OMAP3430 SoC
May 09 13:29:22 <sivang> Termana: I see. So how do you explain the difference to Maemo ?
May 09 13:29:34 <sivang> Termana: although pr1.2 might do a big difference
May 09 13:29:55 <sivang> darn need to reboot
May 09 13:30:04 <sivang> Termana: be right back, I'm interested in your reply.
May 09 13:30:04 <Termana> sivang, at the moment, I don't personally have an n900 yet, so I can't say from experience there is a difference
May 09 13:30:13 <Termana> sivang, righto :)
May 09 13:30:34 <clipartcat> I think upstart can handle dependencies between services. At least Solaris can handle that, so I'd suppose that in making that kind of service you are going to take that in account..
May 09 13:30:55 <Stskeeps> thats its normal goal :P
May 09 13:31:05 <Stskeeps> the problemm is i/o lockup
May 09 13:31:13 <Termana> just in time :P
May 09 13:31:13 <sivang> back
May 09 13:31:18 <sivang> Stskeeps: did I miss anything you said?
May 09 13:31:23 <GAN900> sivang, less than half of the pixels.
May 09 13:31:25 <Stskeeps> not really
May 09 13:31:27 <silver_hook> clipartcat: You're talking about the startup/shutdown scripts / RC?
May 09 13:31:28 <GAN900> Again
May 09 13:31:38 <Stskeeps> on dual-core upstart makes more sense
May 09 13:31:57 <clipartcat> silver_hook, yes.
May 09 13:32:10 <silver_hook> clipartcat: I think OpenRC handles deps quite nicely.
May 09 13:32:14 <sivang> Stskeeps: and our OPAC is single core ?
May 09 13:32:17 <silver_hook> I *think* so at least.
May 09 13:32:25 <Stskeeps> opac?
May 09 13:32:30 <GAN900> Sort of yes, but not dual CPU
May 09 13:32:32 <sivang> Stskeeps: OMAP
May 09 13:32:42 <sivang> sorry, my mistake
May 09 13:32:42 <Stskeeps> what gan said
May 09 13:32:44 <sivang> too much drinking
May 09 13:32:57 <sivang> GAN900: so, single core ?
May 09 13:33:00 <GAN900> Wait for OMAP4 and Cortex A9
May 09 13:33:01 <sivang> GAN900: single cpu ?
May 09 13:33:02 <Termana> sivang, single core with DSP
May 09 13:33:08 <GAN900> GPU
May 09 13:33:08 <Stskeeps> the problem is competing over i/o and with proper scheduling..
May 09 13:33:14 <sivang> Termana: okay
May 09 13:33:26 <Stskeeps> so the stalls you feel are i/o stalls
May 09 13:33:28 <sivang> Stskeeps: right, so there should be proper scheduling for services while bringing them up
May 09 13:33:34 <silver_hook> Yup, seems that OpenRC is exactly a dep-based init system: http://roy.marples.name/projects/openrc
May 09 13:34:22 <alterego> Doesn't upstart handle deps?
May 09 13:34:49 <alterego> What does suse use? They have deps, even if I think suse's init scripts are awful ..
May 09 13:34:52 <Stskeeps> sivang: it isnt so much about services but how they are handled as processes..
May 09 13:38:43 <Termana> I think my n810 just went flat in my pocket :P
May 09 13:39:11 <RST38h> Has it been making those sorry "feed me!" sounds?
May 09 13:39:40 <Termana> RST38h, lol :P I turn sounds off. I just meant because it just quit IRC
May 09 13:39:58 <Termana> You know your addicted to IRC when... you know your device is flat when it quits IRC
May 09 13:43:25 * silver_hook has yet to see a nicer init system then Gentoo's...
May 09 13:44:18 <Zorry> :)
May 09 13:45:05 <Stskeeps> sysvinit? :P
May 09 13:47:54 <silver_hook> Stskeeps: Naaah, neither BSD nor Sys V come close to it ...at least for my taste.
May 09 13:55:28 <silver_hook> I heard that MeeGo works so far only on Nokia phones and isn't planned (yet?) to include support for others. Is there any evidence to back this up or deny it?
May 09 13:57:03 <alterego> silver_hook: meego will work on anything it's built for. Nokia are targetting it at their own platform, Intel targetting it at their architecture.
May 09 13:57:24 <alterego> silver_hook: it's perfectly open for other vendors to build it for their hardware.
May 09 13:57:51 <th0br0> silver_hook: i somewhat agree.
May 09 13:58:07 <th0br0> (the gentoo init system)
May 09 13:58:14 <silver_hook> alterego: Any ports already? Does it work on Nokia phones that are originally Symbian-based?
May 09 13:58:16 <Stskeeps> silver_hook: it is built for armv5 and armv7 and gles libs are adjustable per platform. phone plugins, write one for ofono
May 09 13:58:26 <alterego> silver_hook: that will never happen unfortunately.
May 09 13:58:35 <Stskeeps> people have it on beagleboard, too
May 09 13:58:59 <th0br0> Stskeeps: meego?
May 09 13:59:04 <Stskeeps> yes
May 09 13:59:34 <silver_hook> Stskeeps: I heard about Symbian^3 on BeagleBoard, but that does sound intriguing :]
May 09 13:59:35 <alterego> silver_hook: if it was in any way not-close-to-impossible, I'm sure someone would have managed to port Linux to a previous S60 phone. Unfortunately there are many issues, internal storage capacity being one of them.
May 09 14:00:00 <alterego> The largest are the boot loader.
May 09 14:00:10 <Stskeeps> ie, only reaso only n900 has a port is cos noone else ported it to another phone
May 09 14:00:12 <Stskeeps> :P
May 09 14:00:20 <alterego> :)
May 09 14:00:43 <alterego> Yes, and we're all lazy, why port it ourselves when Nokia are doing it for us? :)
May 09 14:01:09 <Stskeeps> eh? :P
May 09 14:01:34 <Termana> alterego is obviously not looking to be a low level contributor :P
May 09 14:01:46 <alterego> It would be nice, now that Symbian is open, if Nokia moved Symbian development in a similar direction to maemo/meego
May 09 14:02:29 <slaine> silver_hook, LG have had a phone in development, based on the Intel Atom Z600 that had been running moblin which they've confirmed will run meego now
May 09 14:02:39 <CosmoHill> yay
May 09 14:02:41 <alterego> But it's unlikely, I think that maemo/meego based devices from Nokia will have the most open hardware, as they do now. And the S60 based handsets will probably be just as closed as they are now.
May 09 14:03:55 <silver_hook> But that's what I found the most odd ...Android ports are spewing around like onanistic robot fluid, but MeeGo (or Maemo for that matter) althought it's more free, is being held on only one device (or two) so far.
May 09 14:04:15 <Stskeeps> silver_hook: meego came a bit late in the game
May 09 14:04:30 <silver_hook> Stskeeps: What about Maemo then?
May 09 14:04:41 <slaine> silver_hook: the majority of commercial Android phones are from 1 manufacturer, HTC
May 09 14:04:57 <Stskeeps> silver_hook: maemo is 40 percent oss
May 09 14:05:13 <slaine> lots of other companies are dabbling with android and android devices, but there's not been the same update as what HTC have
May 09 14:05:14 <CosmoHill> meego aims to be 100%
May 09 14:05:18 <silver_hook> OK.
May 09 14:05:34 <slaine> s/update/uptake/
May 09 14:05:34 <infobot> slaine meant: lots of other companies are dabbling with android and android devices, but there's not been the same uptake as what HTC have
May 09 14:05:39 <Stskeeps> silver_hook: i fully expect a lot of ports as meego is damn easy to port.
May 09 14:05:55 <silver_hook> Stskeeps: That'd be nice :)
May 09 14:06:45 <slaine> initially, we'll see meego netbooks, I don't see smart phones being the major driver for a while yet. we'll see meego in lots of other smart devices, TV's, fridges, media phones, netbooks and tablets
May 09 14:06:48 <silver_hook> From what I'm seeing so far, if I had a smartphone, I'd want MeeGo on it ...but that means I'll have to wait that a) there's more then one device and b) the price drops a bit O_o
May 09 14:07:00 <silver_hook> ...by liberally stretching "a bit".
May 09 14:07:40 <silver_hook> What data does MeeGo apps have access to by default and what the user can opt in to?
May 09 14:08:15 <silver_hook> I've seen some *very* perverse requirements to access private data from "free" Android apps O_O
May 09 14:08:48 <CosmoHill> can you give an example?
May 09 14:09:04 <Stskeeps> silver_hook: depends on security framework i guess
May 09 14:09:18 <Stskeeps> by standard its traditional posix
May 09 14:10:38 <silver_hook> CosmoHill: I think it was a theme or something similarly quaint amongst the top "free" apps, that wanted: internet access, location data, (some more stuff I forgot) ...and read + write access to contacts.
May 09 14:11:34 <silver_hook> Not only I wouldn't call that free as in FOSS, I wouldn't even call that free as in gratis! That's just sick...
May 09 14:11:50 <CosmoHill> dammit >.<
May 09 14:11:52 <Stskeeps> meh, sell your soul for money, nothing new
May 09 14:11:57 * CosmoHill forgot todo something for his assignment
May 09 14:12:58 <silver_hook> The question of course is as well, if the platform actually has security implemented in a way that the user *has* to opt-in to share such data with the app('s creator) or is it up to the app to be friendly enough to claim what it wants to access.
May 09 14:13:04 <silver_hook> Is there a solution in MeeGo for that?
May 09 14:13:32 <CosmoHill> silver_hook: you mean like "this program is trying to access the internet, do you want to allow it?"
May 09 14:14:30 <Stskeeps> silver_hook: there is security framework stuff but you need to read up on it and i doubt its in 1.0
May 09 14:14:39 <silver_hook> CosmoHill: That'd be nice. In Android though it only says when you're installing this app "this program will access the internet, read/write you contacts, read/write system settings, ... do you accept these terms?"
May 09 14:15:08 <CosmoHill> my sony would ask if a program could access the camera every time I first ran it
May 09 14:15:35 <CosmoHill> of course you read it and click yes but then you've moved the camera
May 09 14:20:40 <silver_hook> Hmm, I know it's not the right channel, but does anyone happen to know if it's possible to run Symbian^3 on any S60 phone?
May 09 14:21:11 <Stskeeps> they arent traditionally hackable
May 09 14:25:43 <silver_hook> :\
May 09 14:27:03 <th0br0> silver_hook: ^^ i share your feelings. That's one of the reasons why I didn't get a sym^2 phone some while ago
May 09 14:28:17 <CosmoHill> th0br0: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pair_programming << you might be interested in reading
May 09 14:29:06 <th0br0> sounds ... idk.
May 09 14:29:13 <th0br0> waste of workpower?
May 09 14:29:20 <th0br0> sure, for bigger projects you need some reviewer but ...
May 09 14:29:41 <lcuk> CosmoHill, :) used to code like that often
May 09 14:30:37 <lcuk> i didnt think it had a name lol - just me and colleague&|boss hacking
May 09 14:32:48 * CosmoHill wonders off to play assassin's creed
May 09 14:35:21 <silver_hook> Meh, so I guess I'll just stick to dumbphones until MeeGo becomes a viable solution :P
May 09 14:42:36 <silver_hook> So, does Nokia intend to continue development for Symbian for dumb(er) phones or why the Symbian-MeeGo dichotomy?
May 09 14:48:52 <GAN900> silver_hook, because dinosaurs are in charge of Nokia
May 09 14:49:02 <GAN900> and Maemo can't fill the non-touch space
May 09 14:49:12 <GAN900> So, S40 is going away in the long term
May 09 14:49:25 <silver_hook> OK, makes sense in a way...
May 09 14:49:29 <GAN900> and Symbian will shift into that space
May 09 14:49:44 <GAN900> with MeeGo and Symbian^3/4 at the top end
May 09 14:51:48 <silver_hook> Em, isn't Symbian^* just a the next get Symbian S*?
May 09 14:52:56 <th0br0> Given that with Sym^3 , Qt support will come officialy and that with Sym^4 the whole system is supposed to be qt-based, I'm not sure whether symbian will continue to exist afterwards
May 09 14:53:13 <th0br0> Think of the decreasing cost for the various parts in the future...
May 09 14:53:56 <silver_hook> So Symbian^* is _not_ the descendant of Symbian S*?
May 09 14:54:09 <silver_hook> O_o
May 09 14:56:10 <b-man|laptop> silly question - i know mce is closed, but is it reusable (as in can i re-package the binaries for use in fedora)?
May 09 14:56:40 <th0br0> mce?
May 09 14:56:45 <th0br0> and no
May 09 14:56:54 <th0br0> fedora only accepts open source applications with compatible licenses
May 09 14:56:58 <th0br0> b-man|laptop: turn to rpmfusion
May 09 14:57:07 <th0br0> what is mce anyway?
May 09 14:57:29 <b-man|laptop> th0br0: i'm not relying on their repos - i would be creating my own
May 09 14:57:38 <b-man|laptop> Mode Control Entity
May 09 14:57:51 <b-man|laptop> (used for system events)
May 09 14:57:55 <th0br0> well, you can package anything
May 09 14:57:59 <b-man|laptop> such as controling led's
May 09 14:58:12 <th0br0> after all, you#re only limited by rpm
May 09 14:59:37 <b-man|laptop> but can i legally do it in terms of nokia, not fedora - will nokia's EULA allow me to do so?
May 09 15:03:05 <GAN900> b-man|laptop, talk to Stskeeps.
May 09 15:03:25 <th0br0> b-man|laptop: it's a nokia package, no?
May 09 15:03:34 <th0br0> besides, would you publish the repo?
May 09 15:04:56 <b-man|laptop> it is a nokia package, and they have been re-published with permission in projects like Deblet
May 09 15:05:04 <silver_hook> OK, this will be again a pretty stupid question, but which smartphone would you buy if you'd buy it today?
May 09 15:05:37 <th0br0> silver_hook: none :D I'd wait 6 months and just get some cheap phone right now. other than that, idk. n900 or nexus one i guess
May 09 15:05:41 <b-man|laptop> l'll ask Stskeeps
May 09 15:06:02 <silver_hook> th0br0: And in 6 months? ;)
May 09 15:06:17 <th0br0> I'd take a look at the phones available then.
May 09 15:08:13 <silver_hook> th0br0: Oh, I wsa hoping you'd have a secret tip or something :P
May 09 15:08:39 <th0br0> I'm not involved directly with any of the parties behind MeeGo or the like, so no :)
May 09 15:11:07 <silver_hook> So I guess my plan stays: a) ditch the dying Motorola V235, b) get my gf's ex-Samsung S3600, c) wait until that dies too d) look at the current market.
May 09 15:11:40 <th0br0> :)
May 09 16:22:53 <DocScrutinizer> b-man|laptop: thought it's machine control entity
May 09 16:23:29 <DocScrutinizer> used for all kinds of depriving user of his control over hardware
May 09 16:24:18 <DocScrutinizer> like brightness of lcd backlight, triggering LED and vibro notifications, handling button press events etc
May 09 16:26:10 <Stskeeps> surprisingly enough noone has made a good replacement :P
May 09 16:26:13 <Stskeeps> except for powerlaunch on n8x0
May 09 16:26:16 <DocScrutinizer> even a more severe PITA than the other friggin entity: BME the Batery Management Entity
May 09 16:27:12 <lcuk> Stskeeps, it would require the sort of knowledge usually provided only to engineers with access and training to read the datasheets and manipulate the hardware properly
May 09 16:27:14 <DocScrutinizer> well there are other 'Entities' as well, DSME... dunno what else
May 09 16:27:34 <b-man|laptop> if MCE and BME were opened, things would be soo much easer
May 09 16:27:35 * DocScrutinizer smiles and rises hand
May 09 16:27:57 <b-man|laptop> DSME is in the process of being opened
May 09 16:28:05 <DocScrutinizer> yep, I heard so
May 09 16:28:15 <Stskeeps> dsme is opened afaik :P
May 09 16:28:30 <DocScrutinizer> as there's really NOTHING in there you could claim is IP
May 09 16:29:26 <DocScrutinizer> anyway, BME first to shoot down
May 09 16:29:28 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
May 09 16:29:38 <DocScrutinizer> JRCME ftw!
May 09 16:29:44 <DocScrutinizer> JRBME even
May 09 16:30:14 * TSCHAKeee is frustrated... a whole community of LinuxMCE people, and none of them understand what i'm trying to do :(
May 09 16:30:34 <DocScrutinizer> wtf is LinuxMCE?
May 09 16:30:36 <b-man|laptop> has anyone tested the hald-addon-bme replacement?
May 09 16:30:49 <DocScrutinizer> there is any?
May 09 16:30:54 <b-man|laptop> yes
May 09 16:30:58 <Stskeeps> TSCHAKeee: someone doing linuxICE was playing around wth libdui at least
May 09 16:30:59 <DocScrutinizer> for meego?
May 09 16:31:28 <DocScrutinizer> b-man|laptop: or for maemo?
May 09 16:31:48 <b-man|laptop> DocScrutinizer: for mer originally i believe
May 09 16:31:54 <DocScrutinizer> aaah
May 09 16:32:26 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: any details? We (speedevil and me) would like to update the BME wikipage on that
May 09 16:32:36 <b-man|laptop> http://gitorious.org/mer-toggles/hald-addon-bme/blobs/master/hald-addon-bme.c
May 09 16:32:40 <TSCHAKeee> Stskeeps: i'm trying to get people to start working with clutter and Qt's canvas stuff both.. to try and get used to making some UI models... the goal for me is to make one complete on-screen UI (TV), and one off-screen UI (touchpanel), and use that to gather concrete data for figuring out WHERE in our stack we need to abstract and change things.
May 09 16:33:07 <DocScrutinizer> b-man|laptop: the "blobs" part doesn't sound like 'replacement'
May 09 16:33:15 <TSCHAKeee> Stskeeps: but people are already wanting to spew out these massively complex theming schemes for parts of the system they've never touched.
May 09 16:33:16 <b-man|laptop> lol
May 09 16:33:21 <TSCHAKeee> *facepalm*
May 09 16:33:38 <b-man|laptop> DocScrutinizer: those mean nothing xD
May 09 16:34:13 <b-man|laptop> DocScrutinizer: all projects usually have a 'blob' on gitorious
May 09 16:34:24 <DocScrutinizer> k, lol
May 09 16:35:43 <b-man|laptop> Stskeeps: has that replacement been tested with the N900 yet?
May 09 16:35:47 <Stskeeps> no
May 09 16:35:52 <Stskeeps> it might not work if the bulk messages have changed
May 09 16:36:01 <b-man|laptop> hmm
May 09 16:36:54 <b-man|laptop> Stskeeps: how did he obtain the bulk messages?
May 09 16:37:10 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: what's 'bulk messages'?
May 09 16:37:42 <DocScrutinizer> something like "#\4\3\2\1\n"
May 09 16:37:43 <DocScrutinizer> ?
May 09 16:37:57 <DocScrutinizer> (seen that crap in a strace)
May 09 16:40:42 <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer: the reverse engineering of bme protocol was done with a bunch of guess work and pattern matching of field test display->bme communication
May 09 16:40:59 <Stskeeps> and this was done via bulk queries, etc, asking for all the values it has :P
May 09 16:41:22 <DocScrutinizer> errrhm
May 09 16:41:50 <Stskeeps> ie, as much as could fit in a message
May 09 16:42:02 <DocScrutinizer> so my next question: which protocol exactly? socks, dbus, I2C?
May 09 16:42:20 <Stskeeps> http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/BME_Protocol
May 09 16:42:21 <DocScrutinizer> and to whom
May 09 16:42:26 <DocScrutinizer> aah k
May 09 16:42:55 <Stskeeps> (may not apply to n900 and may maim your loved ones..)
May 09 16:47:22 <DocScrutinizer> I'm in love with nobody - so no risk in that part at least ;-P
May 09 18:16:18 <TSCHAKeee> so...okay
May 09 18:16:33 <TSCHAKeee> what is the replacement for mx going to be called?
May 09 18:18:21 <Stskeeps> there's one?
May 09 18:42:41 <slaine> mx is the replacement for nbtk
May 09 18:43:19 <slaine> I don't think they're revealed plans for any non-clutter/mx work
May 09 19:19:54 <ivarela> hi.
May 09 19:19:59 <Stskeeps> lo
May 09 19:20:10 <ivarela> i got some questions about meego.
May 09 19:20:17 <Stskeeps> shoot :)
May 09 19:20:48 <ivarela> Thanks ;)  I'm the coordinator of Asturian translations team for MeeGo
May 09 19:21:09 <Stskeeps> i'm going to have to look that up on wikipedia, if that's okay :P
May 09 19:21:52 <ivarela> and I would like to know, if we need to translate in Maemo and Moblin to get a all the project translated
May 09 19:22:55 <Stskeeps> hmm, i think that's more of a mlfoster question
May 09 19:23:26 <ivarela> sorry...  mlfoster?
May 09 19:24:14 <ivarela> first of all...  Meego can be installed in a mobile telephone yet?
May 09 19:24:26 <Stskeeps> yes, the n900 - but not much of a phone ui
May 09 19:24:32 <Stskeeps> mlfoster / margie foster
May 09 19:25:05 <ivarela> ahhh  margie foster ;)
May 09 19:25:23 <Stskeeps> but i think projects that should be translated would be upstream projects and then some specific meego ones i guess
May 09 19:27:19 <ivarela> there will be an ui for a phone?
May 09 19:28:12 <Stskeeps> handset ux is claimed to be out sometime after 1.0
May 09 21:36:40 <trem> nite all, sweet dreams
May 10 00:26:40 <CosmoHill> cyas
May 10 00:27:39 <Gizmokid2005> is there any real difference between the US and global variants of the firmware?
May 10 00:39:11 <Termana> good morning
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