**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 14 02:59:56 2010 May 14 03:00:12 TSCHAKeee, easier if you just stick to the Community forum May 14 03:00:20 and maybe touch on MeeGo/Harmattan May 14 03:00:38 just the sheer number May 14 03:00:41 ah GeneralAntilles, one of the great nokia bashers May 14 03:00:43 of whiny bitches May 14 03:01:01 apple really has done a number May 14 03:01:05 * GeneralAntilles brandishes his frozen trout. May 14 03:01:05 convincing people that they need apps May 14 03:01:37 nevermind that the whole notion of these apps wasn't even remotely part of the iPhone when it was released May 14 03:01:46 TSCHAKeee, you see the article on Planet? May 14 03:01:51 and apple's original stance was, NO APPS...ANYTHING YOU NEED...YOU MAKE A WEB PAGE FOR IT. May 14 03:02:00 but nobody remembers history May 14 03:02:04 no. May 14 03:02:34 http://tomch.com/wp/?p=144 May 14 03:02:37 39 hearts May 14 03:03:11 TSCHAKeee seems to have some brain May 14 03:03:35 oh wait, yes, i read this. May 14 03:05:31 http://events.linuxfoundation.org/lfcs2010/meego-workgroup << umm. this isn't impressive May 14 03:05:44 somebody actually wrote in a thread "I predict one of the cell phone manufacturers will buy ARM"... hahahahahahahahhaha May 14 03:06:23 there are more important things to do than make fun of children May 14 03:22:16 pupnik, why not? May 14 03:23:00 The MeeGo Connectivity Framework talk was interesting. May 14 03:24:01 "There’s a reason elite schools speak of training leaders, not thinkers — holders of power, not its critics." May 14 03:35:15 400 more words to go May 14 03:38:25 for what CosmoHill? May 14 03:38:37 my web design assignment May 14 03:38:55 it requires a write up of what I've done and why May 14 03:39:06 CosmoHill: how long is the write up? May 14 03:39:18 1200 ~ 1500 words May 14 03:39:39 not bad, I wrote a 2300 word essay for a native american and U.S. laws class earlier May 14 03:39:57 how long did that take you? May 14 03:43:26 either my ears are really sensitive at this time of day or my server is getting louder May 14 03:43:27 most of the day May 14 03:43:32 with breaks for food and phone calls etc May 14 03:43:46 though i was also finishing up a two 2-3 page essays as well today May 14 03:44:05 -a May 14 03:46:34 I'm currently writing an "Executive Summary" May 14 03:46:51 I'm not sure why you'd need one on a 3 page report tho... May 14 03:47:10 what is nbtk/mx called now? May 14 04:17:08 I'm off to sleep now, bye May 14 04:38:01 hey TSCHAKeee you smartass, wanna explain why this SDL app is not taking input from keyboard? :) May 14 04:39:48 i love it when people tell me things are simple May 14 05:00:28 pupnik: look at the sdl initialization code for the n900 port of vice. May 14 05:25:57 you a good man TSCHAKeee May 14 05:26:22 yeah there are others who did it and made it work May 14 07:13:23 morning all May 14 07:13:23 \ May 14 07:13:48 morn slaine! May 14 07:55:34 morning dneary May 14 07:56:01 hey Stskeeps May 14 07:56:33 hi May 14 07:57:34 hi Stskeeps May 14 07:58:25 how's it going? fighting with getting 2.6.33 booting on the n900 qemu here May 14 08:00:20 morning thiago_home May 14 08:00:37 morning May 14 08:01:27 dneary: http://djangosnippets.org/ May 14 08:01:39 * CosmoHill will be grouchy until his assignment is handed in May 14 08:03:06 lbt: context? May 14 08:03:19 lbt, Ah - contrib code wiki May 14 08:03:24 :) May 14 08:03:49 * lbt loves django.... superb for data-driven web stuff May 14 08:04:00 I'm allowed to giggle at the 75 mac my university has bought over the last year that all run windows and the only working browser on both systems is IE May 14 08:04:17 dneary: I also envision http://djangopeople.net/ May 14 08:04:36 lbt, Big django fan, are we? :) May 14 08:04:37 being our "who's who" May 14 08:04:51 There's also the django book which is a good model for the developer guide, I think May 14 08:04:55 dneary: when the alternative is php or java .... yes May 14 08:05:02 Paragraph by paragraph annotations & comments May 14 08:05:39 dneary: yep, http://www.djangobook.com/en/2.0/chapter02/ .... take a look at the last comment on every chapter ... ;) May 14 08:06:48 I proposed that annotation model last year around the time I was writing those comments May 14 08:07:40 if we *have* to have static docs somewhere then it's useful ... hmm.... it might also be cool to integrate that presentation mechanism into mediawiki May 14 08:08:04 hmm that might be worth getting someone to fund May 14 08:13:01 lbt, That'd be a bit too Javascript heavy for Mediawiki... May 14 08:17:02 dneary: should be doable in a javascript plugin in the theme May 14 08:19:20 townxelliot: cool work on the style guides :) May 14 08:19:22 ISTR reading up on annotation hyperlinks a few years back May 14 08:19:57 links appear in a document but are placed there from another document.... May 14 08:19:59 Stskeeps: thanks; I'm just moving documentation tasks into bugs.meego.com as we speak May 14 08:23:07 lbt, praps May 14 08:23:29 dneary: what you'd do is click on "show annotations"... the js would pull in the 'talk' page and insert clicky-icons into the document. part-2 would be a "click to add annotation" which would popup a small editor and add it to the talk page May 14 08:23:56 just thoughts May 14 08:24:37 * lbt gets back to work May 14 08:24:47 Ah - so the annotations still get put into the Talk page? May 14 09:05:58 lbt nice :) May 14 09:13:47 mmm lcuk you don't insult me in channels anymore May 14 09:14:06 right :) May 14 09:14:19 sounds like you miss the insults May 14 09:15:24 nah, we are at peace May 14 09:15:44 i was just thinking of how bad it could get May 14 09:18:26 to the point where you graphically describe how one of you would murder the other? May 14 09:18:51 pupnik, i shall remember to insult you as i just did to david a few minutes ago. how often would you like your motivational insult, once per day/hour/minute? May 14 09:19:10 lcuk, you could set it up as a cron job May 14 09:19:36 * CosmoHill plays connect three with his printer error lights May 14 09:19:38 i could but thats a little inpersonal May 14 09:19:38 nah we will declare peace. i just remembered we have to do that lcuk May 14 09:20:05 not to mention the respect May 14 09:20:25 but i remember with lol the fun we had May 14 09:20:40 at least it's not like the crap in high school May 14 09:20:54 at one point we were insulting each other by calling each other numbers May 14 09:21:07 you then had to go and find someone who knew what the numbers meant May 14 09:21:53 CosmoHill, interesting, was there a healthy trade in manipulating the master number list? May 14 09:22:20 duno May 14 09:22:23 "ill give you my dinner money if you change #47 to be 'yo momma'" May 14 09:22:37 CosmoHill: 'zeroes', by chance? May 14 09:22:37 :P May 14 09:22:51 you could insult someone really badly and get away with it cos by the time they found out what it meant you had already gone May 14 09:23:37 personally i don't see a reason to insult someone in such a way May 14 09:23:55 you either just plain insult them or say something very smart that they work out hours later May 14 09:37:15 meego v1.0 is coming May 14 09:37:59 yes, but when? :P May 14 09:39:35 hey trem May 14 09:40:54 hey hey CosmoHill May 14 09:42:40 that was an insult lcuk? May 14 09:42:55 http://repo.meego.com/ May 14 09:43:18 lbt a vicious malicious one ramarking how terribly cool that django stuff was! May 14 09:43:19 you mean http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/ May 14 09:43:26 en May 14 09:43:36 lcuk: it really is .... May 14 09:43:41 i agree May 14 09:43:50 so many toys May 14 09:44:02 ive been talking about wikified code for ages May 14 09:44:04 it gives me ideas May 14 09:44:23 bollocks May 14 09:44:26 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/repo/source/ May 14 09:44:49 pardon May 14 09:45:27 oh, it's all empty... I thought there was a release there... I wanted to run our release-reporter against it May 14 09:46:19 ~seen vdvsx May 14 09:46:20 vdvsx <~Valerio@Maemo/community/contributor/VDVsx> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4d 20h 1m 52s ago, saying: 'fine here :D'. May 14 09:46:43 why the hell, in an open project do people think it's clever to hide things? May 14 09:46:52 If in doubt *DONT DO IT* May 14 09:47:18 er, if in doubt don't hide, or don't publish? May 14 09:48:28 but that just looks like a empty repo May 14 09:48:35 waiting to be populated May 14 09:48:39 someone actually spent time and effort making sure http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo didn't show http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/ May 14 09:48:53 next question is May 14 09:49:00 where is the codedrop sources? May 14 09:49:33 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/repo/source/ ? May 14 09:49:38 true May 14 09:49:42 that's a bit hidden May 14 09:49:51 my point exactly May 14 09:49:53 FFS May 14 09:50:03 sync the both will take some time May 14 09:50:09 <<<< IT IS "OPEN" PEOPLE >>>> May 14 09:50:38 * lbt goes to breathe May 14 09:52:30 lbt - LIES! May 14 09:53:17 never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by bloody idiocy May 14 09:53:38 * thiago_home wonders what open people are May 14 09:53:51 thiago_home: people cut open, presumably May 14 09:54:18 heh, w00t_ you beat me to it... May 14 09:54:23 so um May 14 09:54:27 * timeless_mbp wonders how to get xz :) May 14 09:54:44 * lbt points timeless_mbp to the leopard in the basement May 14 09:55:09 it's there... but don't expect us to make your life easy... May 14 09:55:44 accessible code > open code May 14 09:55:45 ;) May 14 09:55:57 hello May 14 09:56:21 lo ebi_ May 14 09:56:40 lcuk: i'd make the code accessible if someone would help me get xz :) May 14 09:58:07 heh May 14 09:58:37 lbt: have you tried http://mxr.moego.org/repo.moblin.org/ May 14 09:59:33 no... bookmarked May 14 10:00:30 there are other roots too May 14 10:00:52 although the maemo6 root has sources that are newer than its index (i'm in the middle of an update) May 14 10:01:21 * timeless_mbp is trying to get repo.meego.com/ working, but that requires xz May 14 10:03:13 hm, at least it seems like we can quite well follow trunk & extras May 14 10:03:15 on IA side May 14 10:03:31 and IVI May 14 10:07:18 hola! is meego translated to swedish? May 14 10:09:30 http://mxr.moego.org/repo.moblin.org/find?text=&string=%2Fsv.*po May 14 10:09:33 moblin was May 14 10:09:48 there's no reason to expect meego not to be May 14 10:14:24 but i don't think "hola" is a word in swedish May 14 10:14:45 you want "hej" May 14 10:17:10 well, there are many greetings in languages that aren't native :P May 14 10:24:16 Niihau May 14 10:24:36 is my favorite, but it's kinda strange to say hello in Spanish and then ask for help w/ Swedish May 14 10:31:45 LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/home/timeless/usr/lib/ /home/timeless/usr/bin/xz --help May 14 10:31:45 Usage: /home/timeless/usr/bin/xz [OPTION]... [FILE]... May 14 10:31:46 Compress or decompress FILEs in the .xz format. May 14 10:31:46 :) May 14 10:31:52 happy happy May 14 10:46:25 ive got some first level support probelm with meego... May 14 10:47:40 the Host has IP 192.168.2.14/24 on usb0 and the N900 has 192.168.2.15/24 but pings are not working, what did i miss May 14 10:48:53 you followed http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Tips_and_Tricks/N900_USB_Networking ? May 14 11:01:42 anyone wants to help me? May 14 11:02:22 well did you answer my question? :P May 14 11:02:24 you followed http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Tips_and_Tricks/N900_USB_Networking ? May 14 11:04:51 any python/rpm packager people here? May 14 11:05:16 we need to create an rpm of a simple python app which depends on some other python libs May 14 11:07:15 Stskeeps, well yes :for the rest i'd say yes the udev rules are only setting the Alias usb0-->n900, don'T they? May 14 11:07:30 ifconfig usb0 up on both sides? May 14 11:07:37 yes indeed May 14 11:07:46 up with correct ip May 14 11:08:38 Stskeeps, yes with correct IP 14 and 15 on the n900 May 14 11:12:44 Hi May 14 11:13:01 bonjour May 14 11:22:23 working now, confused naming, usb1 is what should be 0, but the device PATH are also confused, strange May 14 11:22:49 could be the fact of a very new kernel... May 14 11:23:00 on host May 14 11:52:10 is xorg-x11-twm not used anymore? May 14 12:12:49 yum install xorg-x11-twm say "No package xorg-x11-twm available." What to do? May 14 12:14:24 which command will update the yum data May 14 12:42:16 cyas May 14 14:12:34 DawnFoster: you about yet ? May 14 14:12:52 slaine: mostly :) May 14 14:13:00 I'm into my second cup of tea May 14 14:13:06 that's a good start May 14 14:13:15 I'm due a coffee actually, starting to flag May 14 14:13:58 were you able to track Amy down today? May 14 14:14:08 I haven't heard from her yet May 14 14:14:13 was wondering if you have May 14 14:15:24 no, nothing May 14 14:15:38 I hope she didn't get delayed on the way over May 14 14:15:39 she's at the opening ceremony I assume, as that was today May 14 14:15:50 ah, good point May 14 14:16:04 I just hope i've time to meet her May 14 14:16:24 my wife is going to dinner with some friends this evening, so I won't be able to hang around May 14 14:22:06 DawnFoster: Is amy flying back tonight ? May 14 14:23:02 I'm not quite sure. I think she was flying out tomorrow morning. May 14 14:23:27 Hmmm, I was going to suggest that I'm available tomorrow morning if she was here for a little longer May 14 14:23:50 I've about 45mins to kill while my son is at music school May 14 14:24:32 well, look, if we don't get to meet up, the please feel free to keep dialog open via the existing email thread and I'll do my best to help where I can May 14 14:25:39 that sounds good. I'm going to send her an sms to remind her to call you. May 14 15:46:10 Right, gnome time :) later #maemo May 14 15:49:31 thank crunchy it's friday May 14 15:49:48 indeed May 14 17:07:29 blerps May 14 17:07:43 meep May 14 18:10:07 lbt, ping May 14 18:47:25 DawnFoster: btw, just to have it placed exactly in my mind, your role is community manager within meego project, employed by intel to do this? May 14 18:47:36 or liberated or how you look at it :) May 14 18:48:05 initially i had the impression of "intel's community manager towards meego" or something May 14 18:48:47 Stskeeps: I was hired by Intel as community manager for Intel May 14 18:49:40 :nod: wasn't exactly sure how things are set up May 14 18:49:43 as a community manager employed by a corporation, my job it to do the right thing for the community as a whole while also doing what I need to do for intel May 14 18:49:52 it's a joint role with Quim, of course May 14 18:50:03 it/is May 14 18:50:20 thanks - just needed to clear it up in my mind :) May 14 18:51:32 * Stskeeps goes back to hacking meego onto nokia n810 May 14 18:51:44 have fun! May 14 18:53:52 GAN900: Have I recently declared my undying love for you? May 14 18:55:22 GAN900: I LUBS U ♥ May 14 18:55:48 Myrtti, lol, what'd I do? May 14 18:56:10 you took photos at the conference on the day I didn't, and you licenced them cc-by-sa ♥ May 14 18:56:52 DawnFoster: is it ok if I include your photo of the sticker to my blogpost? May 14 18:57:04 (the one you've got on your photostream) May 14 18:57:04 absolutely May 14 18:58:26 Myrtti, hehe. Too bad I didn't bring my real camera May 14 18:58:34 The N900 ones didn't turn out so well May 14 18:58:41 I just changed the license to CC Attribution-Share Alike to make it official May 14 18:58:43 and I didn't take enough. May 14 18:59:12 I default to all rights reserved due to the large number of pictures of my adorable young nephew :) May 14 19:00:01 I default all to cc-by-sa due to my history of a Wikipedian May 14 19:00:08 damn that historic baggage May 14 19:00:51 That used to be my default, but it was making my family uncomfortable May 14 19:01:53 what I do with family pictures is I upload them as private, check the licence to all rights reserved and ask if it's ok May 14 19:01:58 (to publish them) May 14 19:07:31 * Stskeeps ponders who's initially liable for what meego (project) puts out May 14 19:07:44 question came to my mind since there's people doing open source charging daemons now May 14 19:32:43 meh, I guess I should just let go of these blog posts and go ahead and publish them May 14 19:32:51 I can waffle over them forever May 14 19:33:03 heffer: pong May 14 19:33:09 that's the danger with blogging. I can tweak & edit forever, May 14 19:33:24 heh... May 14 19:33:26 have to force myself to call it "done" or "good enough" May 14 19:33:36 lbt, how do you feel about kicking off our MeeGo Packaging Day somewhere at the end of May/beginning of June? May 14 19:33:38 release early, release often May 14 19:33:42 aka. in about two weeks May 14 19:33:50 heffer: sounds good May 14 19:33:56 DawnFoster, it will never be done, but open it up for the community to help fix it ;) May 14 19:34:06 exactly! May 14 19:34:07 nothing is better to bring in page views than mistakes :D May 14 19:34:11 i hope most of the fog of war has lifted and a direction has become clearer :) May 14 19:34:17 heffer: my team in nokia are working on this too May 14 19:34:24 great! May 14 19:34:30 hmm. I don't know if the OBS will be up by then May 14 19:34:41 lcuk: you can always update it after people point out all the mistakes in the comments :) May 14 19:34:44 California Dreamin’, release 1.1 (Linux Foundation Collaboration Summit, day 1): http://myrtti.fi/blog/2010/05/14/california-dreamin-release-1-1-linux-foundation-collaboration-summit-day-1/ May 14 19:34:54 they're pulling in new hardware and I don't know when it'll be ready May 14 19:35:10 heffer: have you seen the rpm-school May 14 19:35:11 lbt, I assume waiting for that might be wise? May 14 19:35:20 and the packaging guidelines May 14 19:35:27 yes, I think it would be May 14 19:35:34 * Myrtti waits for 15mins and then publishes the second one May 14 19:35:34 DawnFoster, revisionist history! bah - im a slashdot user and comments are not modifiable or deletable so am used to it May 14 19:35:38 lbt, no. where do i find it? May 14 19:35:52 suppose its like email lol May 14 19:36:00 lcuk: I always clearly specify the updates May 14 19:36:02 http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging May 14 19:36:05 no revisionist history May 14 19:36:12 http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Guidelines May 14 19:36:17 I also don't delete comments unless they are clearly spam May 14 19:36:45 heffer: IMHO they're .... "in need of some TLC" May 14 19:36:51 (there are ladies present!) May 14 19:37:02 :) May 14 19:37:23 if they're adapted from OpenSUSE and Fedora i should be familiar with them already May 14 19:37:34 as OpenSUSE adapted it's guidelines from Fedora too May 14 19:37:46 jeremiah was going to look at the debian packaging guidelines and policy May 14 19:37:58 and try to bring some extra meat over May 14 19:38:16 I just feel we need someone dedicated to this for a while May 14 19:38:22 it's pretty crucial stuff May 14 19:38:34 and the people (like anas) who started it May 14 19:38:43 are spending more time doing meego dev work May 14 19:40:42 lbt for some packages will automatic conversion be possible May 14 19:41:01 at least workable enough to show the developer how their package should look May 14 19:41:13 or will this be something each package will have to handle individually May 14 19:41:16 it's a bad idea I think May 14 19:41:32 i do too i can see how easily it would go pearshaped May 14 19:41:45 but others may know better solutions and disagree ... May 14 19:41:53 ok, replace automatic conversion with documented testcases of non trivial apps May 14 19:42:19 ie members of packaging team actually work with specific devs to assist May 14 19:42:28 and document along the way May 14 19:42:33 to help show others May 14 19:42:54 hmm May 14 19:43:06 DawnFoster: your thoughts? May 14 19:43:21 how do we get people to teach others? May 14 19:43:23 obviously it would need gearing up to May 14 19:43:43 like lcuk says... we need a packaging team to help devs learn May 14 19:43:45 okay. i think if you get the buildsys up we could get people started with building/migrating packages on this event May 14 19:44:10 *nod* I'd like to see some (shhh) karma go their way though May 14 19:44:22 (however it's measured.... recognition) May 14 19:44:39 Myrtti: interesting read May 14 19:44:40 of course, its similar to what i was saying re testing squad intermediaries May 14 19:44:41 and, responsibility too, we need to rely on people to help us May 14 19:44:42 a free Nokia Mug :P May 14 19:44:56 that's all it would take you know... May 14 19:44:57 no, hugs are better than mugs May 14 19:45:01 isn't merit enough? May 14 19:45:02 :P May 14 19:45:06 Stskeeps: no May 14 19:45:09 T-shirts May 14 19:45:15 \o/ May 14 19:45:18 yay! May 14 19:45:21 only if you are keeping count somewhere :p May 14 19:45:43 I'm tired of talking about karma May 14 19:45:45 lbt, speaking of swag hows your qt bag :p May 14 19:45:56 so I went to Nokia the other day and all those guys had meego stickers May 14 19:46:10 lcuk: err.... May 14 19:46:25 :p May 14 19:47:04 heffer: OK, lets put something together but make it dependent on the OBS May 14 19:47:27 we'll take a flyer that it'll be up in 2-4 weeks May 14 19:54:02 http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging#Packaging_School May 14 19:54:04 http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/School May 14 19:54:14 heffer: ^^^ May 14 19:54:59 lcuk: you too ... and DawnFoster... what do you think? how do we make this work? May 14 19:55:38 I haven't been involved enough in packaging to have concrete advice May 14 19:55:56 I'm also multi-tasking in another meeting and not really keeping up here May 14 19:55:57 no, but we need to plan, book, promote May 14 19:56:03 np... some other time May 14 19:56:17 lbt, okay. sounds great. i'm around here most of the time so just ping me if you got news May 14 19:56:39 i'd also like to remind you of our wiki page on the fedora wiki https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MeeGo_Packaging_FAD May 14 19:56:45 heffer: well, to start with we need to organise and get commitments May 14 19:57:09 i'll post some updates to our mailing lists as well as the Fedora Planet to get some people going May 14 19:57:32 ok, cc me please? May 14 19:57:37 sure May 14 19:57:57 okay. dinner is ready. so i'm afk for a while now May 14 19:58:18 I'll make a list of planners and add you May 14 19:58:24 update later svp May 14 19:59:03 lbt sounds good to me D May 14 19:59:05 +: May 14 19:59:07 th0br0: ping ... did you want to help coach on the rpm packaging weekend? May 14 19:59:17 lbt: pong. yes. when will it be? May 14 19:59:27 when the OBS is up :) May 14 19:59:30 mid June? May 14 19:59:30 :) ok May 14 19:59:48 mh. I'll be in the states starting 24 jun till aug 6. I should be around most of the time May 14 19:59:52 not long if we have to write some tutorials and prepare May 14 20:00:01 hopefully 4 that May 14 20:00:04 yep May 14 20:10:52 * heffer is back May 14 20:10:59 we only had some rice pudding :) May 14 20:11:08 :D May 14 20:11:20 http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/School May 14 20:12:04 damn, didn't save May 14 20:12:11 hmm May 14 20:12:18 lbt, okay. great. i think i have a meego account already May 14 20:12:19 lemme check May 14 20:12:20 OMG... "It's just text" plugin for firefox May 14 20:12:23 i need some good specify/YAML reference - any ood ideas where to fin it? May 14 20:13:06 www.notjson.com ? May 14 20:13:29 ie, spectacle/specify May 14 20:13:49 ah found it. it's simply "felix2 May 14 20:13:52 "felix" May 14 22:23:54 trying to install meego but facing problem with "Instalation only" http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-April/001565.html ... any other way? May 14 23:24:20 Can somebody tell me what is the role of Linux foundation in Meego? May 14 23:24:46 they're the pope May 14 23:24:54 fadhly MeeGo is a Linux Foundation project - they own the trademarks, etc. May 14 23:25:05 did you have a specific question? May 14 23:27:43 I am a linux lover and would like to know is Meego is the Linux representer in Mobile computing May 14 23:29:48 well, it's built on the Linux kernel. The architecture diagram might help you understand our approach http://meego.com/developers/meego-architecture May 14 23:30:49 actually, hang on I have a better version of that May 14 23:31:33 Thanks, I just register in the community website May 14 23:32:28 Do we expect to see products based on Meego soon ? May 14 23:32:31 here: this is a better explanation of the technical pieces: http://meego.com/community/events/presentations/meego-technical-overview May 14 23:32:45 Thanks I will look at it May 14 23:32:59 we'll have a community release with the netbook ui in a couple of weeks. May 14 23:36:21 Thank you for your help. I am not an iphone gui and would like to see Meego very successful May 14 23:37:13 good luck May 14 23:37:27 Thanks May 15 00:43:20 hi there May 15 00:43:25 any1 online? May 15 00:43:45 no May 15 00:43:49 http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=172988&id=716957114&l=e8f390e1a9 ;) May 15 00:43:52 just a short question: is there a way to change the input language in meego? May 15 00:44:04 THK|g00fy: the input language of xterm? May 15 00:44:38 x-what? May 15 00:44:45 *facepalm* May 15 00:44:46 just started up meego May 15 00:44:54 ouch May 15 00:45:00 THK|g00fy: there's only one app: xterm May 15 00:45:06 well, two, if you cound the window manager May 15 00:45:30 oO May 15 00:45:44 actually I dont really know what you mean May 15 00:45:47 if you want to change its input language, do it like in any X: use setxkbmap May 15 00:45:53 all I get is the command line May 15 00:46:07 are you running the ARM version? May 15 00:46:34 no, the netbook May 15 00:46:36 version May 15 00:46:42 for atom May 15 00:46:52 right, that one doesn't even have xterm May 15 00:46:57 have you started X on it? May 15 00:47:04 thats what i'm talking about May 15 00:47:11 so how to change the input lang May 15 00:47:15 xD May 15 00:47:29 use loadkeys May 15 00:49:29 need more input... May 15 00:49:31 ;) May 15 00:49:54 just start X instead May 15 00:50:07 don't try to configure the terminal, since you're not supposed to run console apps May 15 00:52:07 X only brings a black screen with a "_" in the upper left corner May 15 00:52:08 and now? May 15 00:52:13 now you start your app May 15 00:52:24 which app? May 15 00:52:28 your app May 15 00:52:34 which app??? May 15 00:52:38 the one you're developing May 15 00:53:01 I'm not developing yet May 15 00:53:12 then you need to develop your app before you can run it May 15 00:53:15 first i really need to change the input language May 15 00:53:23 why does the input language matter? May 15 00:53:26 you don't have an app yet May 15 00:53:48 cause its quite hard to write with a german keyboard with an activated american layout May 15 00:54:01 <-- germany May 15 00:54:04 why are you writing in the first place? May 15 00:54:05 _o/ May 15 00:54:08 you don't have an app yet May 15 00:54:17 you should develop the app first May 15 00:54:39 as i already said: i am not a developer yet, only a user May 15 00:54:48 you downloaded a developer version of MeeGo May 15 00:54:53 i am just THINKING about to start dev May 15 00:54:53 it's not for end-users May 15 00:55:03 where is that said? May 15 00:55:14 in all the notices about what this image is about May 15 00:55:21 this is an early developer code-drop May 15 00:55:35 if you're not developing this image, or apps for MeeGo, it's a bit too early May 15 00:55:37 who ever said "you are not a developer? so you are not alloewd to use this!" May 15 00:55:43 you are allowed to use it May 15 00:55:44 it doesn't have any kind of GUI May 15 00:55:50 in fact, you are using it right now May 15 00:55:55 i already know this ^^ May 15 00:55:58 you're seeing, right now, all that it can do May 15 00:56:09 that black screen with a _ at the top May 15 00:57:03 guess it would be better to join a "how to program your first app in linux" channel May 15 00:57:06 ;) May 15 00:58:08 yep, that may be May 15 00:59:09 sry for confusing... i just thought "hey, moblin is/was such a great experience for me... just try the next level.." May 15 00:59:21 yeah May 15 00:59:28 but you got confused by what this code-drop is May 15 00:59:36 the full release is coming at the end of this month May 15 00:59:42 niiiice May 15 00:59:57 cant wait any longer, hehe May 15 01:03:04 is the current meego version already able to connect to the internet? (sry for stupidness :-p ) May 15 01:04:23 yes, connman is present May 15 01:04:41 great! May 15 01:09:50 * TSCHAKeee facepalms again May 15 01:09:55 people never read May 15 01:09:59 ever May 15 01:10:16 as I said... i am german May 15 01:10:26 and there is no german documentation yet May 15 01:10:58 so its quite hard for me to find all informations May 15 01:11:40 it's mentioned in bold type next to the download link May 15 01:11:52 and, every announcement mentions the fact that if you're not a developer May 15 01:11:54 you should not use it. May 15 01:12:03 still more mention that there is only an xterm May 15 01:13:49 hmmm, you said that its mentioned somewhere... but can't find it May 15 01:14:17 when you say "dl link" do you mean "http://meego.com/downloads" ? May 15 01:14:48 "The available MeeGo repositories now include the operating system base from the Linux kernel to the OS infrastructure up to the middleware layer. The downloadable images available now will boot from a CD or from a USB stick, but since the MeeGo User Experiences for the usage models are not yet included in today's MeeGo core, these images will boot into terminal." May 15 01:15:22 so what? May 15 01:15:40 can't find a mention about the ability to copnnect to the www May 15 01:15:45 -p May 15 01:15:53 you're an idiot. May 15 01:16:02 thanks May 15 01:16:06 an you are quite unkind May 15 01:16:43 THK|g00fy: I picked a random link off google: http://www.unwiredview.com/2010/03/31/early-meego-code-released-to-developers-for-nokia-n900-and-intel-atom-based-devices/ May 15 01:17:36 THK|g00fy: and oh look, another random link: http://mobile.blorge.com/2010/04/01/developers-get-first-look-at-meego/ May 15 01:17:46 wow man May 15 01:17:50 if you spend May 15 01:17:52 5 seconds on google May 15 01:17:54 reading articles May 15 01:17:58 you'll get the message! :) May 15 01:19:45 ok, got it... May 15 01:20:04 "only pros should use it, cause no UI!" May 15 01:20:09 already knew that May 15 01:20:16 but i am a practical person May 15 01:20:22 aka "firestarter" May 15 01:20:33 learning by doing May 15 01:20:38 ever heard about it May 15 01:20:43 guess so May 15 01:21:13 yes. but. even when I jump into a project, I do a little looking around, first. May 15 01:21:15 first: a pro also was a noob before learning something, right? May 15 01:21:33 an i WANT to learn May 15 01:21:36 good. May 15 01:22:03 so i thought "ask someon in the irc.. perhaps they might help you, in a KIND way..." May 15 01:22:07 the first MeeGo code drop, was done so that people could see the core and middleware pieces of the system May 15 01:22:20 I am sorry for snapping at you, May 15 01:22:31 but please understand, this question gets answered repeatedly May 15 01:22:38 accepted *handshake* May 15 01:23:25 basically, if you don't know what you're getting with this version of the release, it's not for you. May 15 01:24:10 okay... in this case i will wait until the first ui-included version is released... gonna be a haaaard time for me ;) May 15 01:24:27 ok. if you want to see an idea of the UI, you can get an older version of Moblin May 15 01:24:54 so it gonna be quite the same first? good2know May 15 01:25:09 cause moblin 2.1 is still my main os May 15 01:25:17 really love it May 15 01:25:23 but still 2 many bugs May 15 01:26:30 ok, last try: is there a way to change the input language via cmd line? Yes / No / facepalm! May 15 01:27:13 no. May 15 01:27:43 thanks May 15 01:28:01 aaaaaand good night (3:27 local time) May 15 02:56:04 Hi,everyone May 15 02:56:25 i encounter a problem,please help May 15 02:56:50 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=168 May 15 02:59:51 yello **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 15 02:59:56 2010