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May 16 07:35:32 <TSCHAKeee> what's the relationship between mx and nbtk?
May 16 08:07:07 <thiago_home> TSCHAKeee: they're the same
May 16 08:10:28 <TSCHAKeee> okay, was making sure
May 16 08:12:28 * Stskeeps sends off a piece to meego-dev regarding big reveal mentality
May 16 08:13:09 <TSCHAKeee> hah
May 16 08:14:51 <TSCHAKeee> Stskeeps, well said.
May 16 08:14:55 <Stskeeps> well, no 'ha' in it.. more like talking about the elephant in the room
May 16 08:16:01 <TSCHAKeee> yes
May 16 08:16:23 <TSCHAKeee> well, at least i've been able to do ux experiments with the moblin code thus far..
May 16 08:16:55 <TSCHAKeee> seeing as it's not going to drastically change for meego... this seems like the right thing for me to do so far.
May 16 08:17:02 <TSCHAKeee> (meego 1.0 rather)
May 16 08:23:13 <Stskeeps> morn wazd
May 16 08:26:58 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: +1,000
May 16 08:27:24 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: Good to have someone pushing openly from the inside. But I don't believe we'll see a TSG response on the mailing list
May 16 08:27:27 <Jaffa> :(
May 16 08:27:40 <Stskeeps> i am writing this as a community member though :P
May 16 08:27:50 <Stskeeps> but this is obvious to anyone
May 16 08:28:16 <Stskeeps> so no 'inside' needed
May 16 08:28:43 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: But the mentality will mean, to some people, that someone internally saying "*we*'re not working like *we* should be" is more powerful
May 16 08:29:20 <Stskeeps> mm
May 16 08:30:27 <leinir> Stskeeps: Well, it's your job to be the community member who annoys the TSG when they're not being as open as they ought to, though... ;)
May 16 08:30:40 <Stskeeps> from maemo.org pov
May 16 08:30:40 <Stskeeps> :P
May 16 08:31:25 <leinir> Hehe :)
May 16 08:33:29 <Stskeeps> but if you agree with the post, indicate on mailing list but without making it into a flame war, it looks a bit awkward when i look like the lone communist party representant at times :P
May 16 08:34:52 <th0br0> heya Stskeeps, leinir, Jaffa
May 16 08:37:03 <leinir> th0br0: 'lo :)
May 16 08:38:47 <Jaffa> Hey th0br0
May 16 11:24:41 * Stskeeps glares at a mail he got indirectly accusing texrat as a commie and the fact he uses office 2007 and visio
May 16 11:25:40 <Stskeeps> these kind of happenings make me wonder about democracy
May 16 11:25:40 <Stskeeps> :P
May 16 11:29:26 <aquatix> odd
May 16 11:29:34 <aquatix> how can you use msoffice as a commie
May 16 11:30:10 <leinir> aquatix: i was kind of wondering that too :)
May 16 11:57:16 <lbt> we (nokia) have just been looking at the 1.0 'release' .... hands up if you expected a release to contain just one version of a package...  Hey, you there with your hand up - see me after class!
May 16 11:58:10 <Robot101> hmm
May 16 11:58:23 <Stskeeps> as one as one is the most recent version?
May 16 11:58:27 <lbt> sorry, not 1.0, "weekly"
May 16 11:59:19 <th0br0> huh?
May 16 11:59:30 <th0br0> multiple versions of one package at the same time
May 16 11:59:39 <lbt> it seems to be
May 16 12:00:05 <lbt> although the "test" directory which used to be documented as the weekly release has now been hidden
May 16 12:02:08 <lbt> for the May/12 release you can pick from  glibmm-2.24.0-1.5.src.rpm, glibmm-2.24.0-1.6.src.rpm or glibmm-2.24.0-1.12.src.rpm  "what would you like to QA against today?" :)
May 16 12:14:30 <aquatix> lbt: fun :/
May 16 12:16:19 <th0br0> :P lbt
May 16 12:19:20 <lbt> I know... it's not a real release... but I guess it's feeling a bit slip-shod
May 16 13:18:17 <vip> hi all
May 16 13:18:58 <Stskeeps> lo
May 16 13:19:35 <vip> when alpha meego will release
May 16 13:19:52 <lbt> http://meego.com/about/faq
May 16 13:20:08 <lbt> vip ^^ that may help :)
May 16 13:20:36 <vip> nothing declare there
May 16 13:22:30 <Stskeeps> second quarter of 2010
May 16 13:23:06 <Stskeeps> but go look at the technical steering group minutes for specifics
May 16 13:23:12 <vip> now we are in half of may if they plan to release they will say any word
May 16 13:23:36 <Stskeeps> it's supposed to come in may, i think.
May 16 13:24:41 <vip> this what i dont like just saying then just wait long
May 16 13:26:07 <vip> does anybody think meego will be available for n900
May 16 13:26:23 <chronim> yes
May 16 13:27:14 <Stskeeps> vip, n900 is reference device for meego on ARM. please note that is not a nokia product.
May 16 13:30:27 <vip> what that mean 'reference device for megoo ' does that mean its for testing only or what please tell me
May 16 13:30:50 <thiago_home> meego will be available for n900
May 16 13:30:56 <thiago_home> nokia will not support your using of it on n900
May 16 13:30:58 <thiago_home> is that clear?
May 16 13:33:47 <vip> who will support if nokia not i think meego project between nokia and intel
May 16 13:34:42 <thiago_home> no one
May 16 13:34:43 <Stskeeps> it is a bit complicated. i would wait and see if i was you.
May 16 13:34:53 <thiago_home> you can put it in any device you want
May 16 13:35:22 <thiago_home> for example, if you get a Nexus One device and manage to put MeeGo on it, who will support you?
May 16 13:35:35 <thiago_home> don't answer Google. They couldn't care less about MeeGo.
May 16 13:36:48 <vip> no it is not like that they will allow for you to install in n900 if the plan
May 16 13:37:23 <thiago_home> I didn't understand that
May 16 13:37:55 <vip> sorry its not clear
May 16 13:38:00 <thiago_home> it's not.
May 16 13:38:04 <thiago_home> please rephrase
May 16 13:38:26 <thiago_home> there's a MeeGo image that will be released. You can install that anywhere (if you have the tools to install, of course).
May 16 13:38:54 <tackat> hi thiago_home
May 16 13:38:58 <thiago_home> but the hardware vendor doesn't have to support you.
May 16 13:39:00 <thiago_home> tackat: heya
May 16 13:39:26 <tackat> thiago_home: if you haven't seen it already http://nienhueser.de/blog/?p=121 << pretty cool especially the second vid
May 16 13:39:57 <thiago_home> haha, of course it's marble :-)
May 16 13:39:59 <Stskeeps> vip: you can even install debian on your n900. nokia isnt stopping you
May 16 13:40:32 <tackat> thiago_home: the second video rocks :) It's a must see ;)
May 16 13:40:45 <thiago_home> I'll do that once F1 is over
May 16 13:41:03 <vip> look may you will be able to install but the problem does it will be stabil
May 16 13:41:22 <thiago_home> vip: obviously we want MeeGo to be as stable as possible.
May 16 13:42:01 <thiago_home> whether that's good enough for you, I can't say.
May 16 13:45:35 <vip> i think meego will going to n900 but it will not be stable so maemo will be only choose
May 16 14:02:44 <Jaffa> vip: It'll probably be stable; whether it's got enough features to be usable is a different question. But you've gone.
May 16 16:58:13 <th0br0> lbt: just why are so many babylon 5 actors dead nowadays
May 16 16:58:53 <thiago_home> more actors?
May 16 16:58:55 <thiago_home> who died?
May 16 16:59:05 <thiago_home> besides andreas katsulas
May 16 16:59:52 <TSCHAKeee> Richard Biggs
May 16 16:59:58 <TSCHAKeee> Tim Choate (Zathras)
May 16 16:59:59 <thiago_home> ow, really?
May 16 17:00:04 <TSCHAKeee> yup
May 16 17:00:50 <TSCHAKeee> the guy who played the ORIGINAL techno mage, also died not long after filming.
May 16 17:01:11 <TSCHAKeee> is Harlan Ellison still alive?
May 16 17:01:34 <th0br0> Zathras
May 16 17:01:37 <TSCHAKeee> god man, if we lose Harlan _and_ Forest Ackerman.. who the fuck do we have left?
May 16 17:01:42 <TSCHAKeee> :P
May 16 17:01:44 <th0br0> I love Zathras.
May 16 17:01:53 <TSCHAKeee> nobody listen to Zathras...
May 16 17:01:54 <th0br0> TSCHAKeee: don't soil it ....
May 16 17:02:02 <th0br0> Or the 10 different pronunciations of Zathras
May 16 17:02:05 <th0br0> *spoil
May 16 17:02:22 <th0br0> I haven't watched the 5th season yet so I don't know whether the techno mages return...#
May 16 17:02:40 <CosmoHill> hey t*
May 16 17:04:27 <th0br0> heya CosmoHill
May 16 17:04:58 <thiago_home> heya CosmoHill
May 16 17:05:47 <CosmoHill> two say hi, one runs away
May 16 17:06:36 <thiago_home> there's one left
May 16 17:07:30 <CosmoHill> he's returned :) ...with cookies?
May 16 17:55:51 <CosmoHill> so how are you (anyone)? having a good weekend?
May 16 18:00:19 <Stskeeps> it's raining outside
May 16 18:00:20 <Stskeeps> :P
May 16 18:00:55 <CosmoHill> same here
May 16 18:02:38 <Stskeeps> nokia must be trying hard to sell their n900, just heard the usual video soundtrack from my wife's computer
May 16 18:02:41 <Stskeeps> :P
May 16 18:04:40 <TSCHAKeee> i went back and looked at the advertising for the n900
May 16 18:04:53 <TSCHAKeee> wow.. i didn't know it could run java midlets!
May 16 18:04:55 <TSCHAKeee> :P
May 16 18:05:02 <CosmoHill> midlets?
May 16 18:05:07 <CosmoHill> sounds like midgets
May 16 18:06:06 <Stskeeps> what, it can't
May 16 18:06:06 <Stskeeps> :P
May 16 18:06:58 <TSCHAKeee> Stskeeps, it's as if they took the ad copy for the N97
May 16 18:07:05 <TSCHAKeee> Stskeeps, and did a little SnR :P
May 16 18:07:48 <Stskeeps> hehe
May 16 18:08:12 <TSCHAKeee> but really, stuff like that
May 16 18:08:16 <TSCHAKeee> is why people are royally pissed.
May 16 18:08:28 <TSCHAKeee> they feel very let down.
May 16 18:08:34 <Stskeeps> meh, i'm fine with my n900
May 16 18:08:38 <Stskeeps> does everything i need it to
May 16 18:09:19 <TSCHAKeee> same here
May 16 18:09:20 <petteri> and more :)
May 16 18:09:31 <TSCHAKeee> but i hope nokia learns from the mistakes.
May 16 18:10:02 <TSCHAKeee> i went into the n900 knowing exactly what it was
May 16 18:10:07 <TSCHAKeee> an n810 with a phone
May 16 18:10:54 <Stskeeps> originally they wanted to just make it a 3g tablet but i guess the wimax adventure scared them off that
May 16 18:12:05 <th0br0> what are you talking about?
May 16 18:13:03 <ShadowJK> The wimax adventure had other issues...
May 16 18:13:09 <ShadowJK> like no coverage
May 16 18:15:28 <TSCHAKeee> yup
May 16 18:15:36 <TSCHAKeee> which really depressed the hell out of me
May 16 18:15:44 <TSCHAKeee> because the WiMAX 810 worked REALLY WELL
May 16 18:16:08 <TSCHAKeee> a lot better than 3G IMHO
May 16 18:23:58 <timeless_mbp> hrm
May 16 18:24:19 <timeless_mbp> anyone here familiar w/ SRPMs and have some time to explain them to me? :)
May 16 18:25:31 <CosmoHill> an SRPM is basically the source and patch files with the .spec file included
May 16 18:26:01 <CosmoHill> I download them from fedora and unpack them to just to get at their spec files, and sometimes their patchecs
May 16 18:26:03 <timeless_mbp> so, i have two srpm's
May 16 18:26:07 <timeless_mbp> libjingle and zlib
May 16 18:26:12 <thiago_home> yep, it's an archive with the pristine source(s), any patches as well as the .spec file which contains instructions to build
May 16 18:26:17 <thiago_home> I don't remember if they have metadata
May 16 18:26:18 <timeless_mbp> both have a file "buildfix.patch"
May 16 18:26:30 <timeless_mbp> if i try to rpm -i both srpm's at the same time
May 16 18:26:38 <timeless_mbp> and then rpmbuild -bp both spec files at the same time
May 16 18:26:41 <timeless_mbp> one of them fails
May 16 18:26:57 <timeless_mbp> because e.g. libjingle's "buildfix.patch" gets replaced by zlib's
May 16 18:27:26 <CosmoHill> hmm, i never thought about building multiple files at once
May 16 18:27:55 <timeless_mbp> i'm sorta "building" "all" of "meego" at "once"
May 16 18:28:04 <timeless_mbp> where "building" stops before "compiling"
May 16 18:28:44 <timeless_mbp> it seems like "buildfix.patch" is a *common* file name
May 16 18:29:01 <timeless_mbp> paps also uses that filename, so now it's trying to using jingle's version
May 16 18:30:45 <timeless_mbp> so…. is there an rpmmacro to avoid this collision? :)
May 16 18:33:17 <timeless_mbp> %_sourcedir		%{_topdir}/SOURCES
May 16 18:34:25 <timeless_mbp> can i use %_sourcedir    %{_topdir}/SOURCES/%{name}
May 16 18:35:45 <timeless_mbp> ok, at least the basic bit works
May 16 18:37:10 <timeless_mbp> yeah, that works :)
May 16 18:42:20 <th0br0> buildfix.patch o.O
May 16 18:42:32 <th0br0> are there no naming conventions for patches?
May 16 18:43:25 <CosmoHill> magic.patch
May 16 18:43:46 <CosmoHill> god_knows_what_this_does.patch
May 16 18:44:32 <timeless_mbp> th0br0: it seems that it's a convention to use that filename :)
May 16 18:44:38 <timeless_mbp> unless you use build_fix.patch :(
May 16 18:44:44 <th0br0> then fuck that convention
May 16 18:45:58 <CosmoHill> :o
May 16 18:54:35 <timeless_mbp> nice:
May 16 18:54:36 <timeless_mbp> Can't do inplace edit: gas/config is not a regular file, <> line 99487.
May 16 18:54:36 <timeless_mbp> Can't do inplace edit: libiberty/config is not a regular file, <> line 212768.
May 16 18:56:13 <thiago_home> what are they, if not regular files?
May 16 18:56:43 <timeless_mbp> presumably directories :)
May 16 18:57:56 <timeless_mbp>  data/meego.com/BUILD/binutils-2.20.51.0.2/gas/config/
May 16 18:58:40 * TSCHAKeee a little irked that some idiot added a notes applet to maemo with "transparency" ... why would you use a notes app, with transparency, where the ONLY thing you could ever see behind it, is the _DESKTOP_ ?!
May 16 18:58:50 <TSCHAKeee> sigh.
May 16 18:59:01 <timeless_mbp> TSCHAKeee: wrong window :)
May 16 18:59:10 <TSCHAKeee> :P
May 16 18:59:12 <timeless_mbp> and last i checked, that doesn't support text entry :)
May 16 18:59:31 <CosmoHill> so it's just a transparent blank note?
May 16 18:59:33 <timeless_mbp> otoh, you can do overlapping applets :)
May 16 18:59:43 <timeless_mbp> no, it's a prefilled taunting note :)
May 16 19:00:10 <CosmoHill> I need to fix my nokia, the screen cover is coming off :/
May 16 19:14:14 <fadiodeh> hi everybody :)
May 16 19:20:25 <CosmoHill> impatient son of a bitch
May 16 19:21:06 <Stskeeps> oi, language
May 16 19:21:07 <Stskeeps> :P
May 16 21:57:22 <trem> nite all, sweet dreams
May 16 22:45:39 * CosmoHill drools over an Alfa Romeo GT
May 16 23:19:40 * timeless_mbp sighs
May 16 23:19:57 <timeless_mbp> is there any easy way to calculate the list of .m4 files which would be installed by a package given only an srpm?
May 16 23:20:06 <timeless_mbp> note that i don't want to actually compile the package
May 16 23:20:21 <timeless_mbp> and i'd rather avoid downloading all .rpm's and unpacking them just to see which .m4's they ship
May 16 23:21:57 <CosmoHill> cyas
May 16 23:26:53 <Termana> good morning
May 16 23:38:33 * timeless_mbp cries
May 16 23:38:54 <LinuxCode> timeless_mbp, here, have a hammer and beat up some machines running Plesk
May 16 23:38:59 <LinuxCode> you will feel better
May 16 23:40:19 * timeless_mbp wants to beat up repo.meego.com
May 16 23:50:29 <timeless_mbp> ok
May 16 23:50:36 <timeless_mbp> where the heck is gconf in repo.meego.com?
May 16 23:53:56 <Termana> timeless_mbp, is this what your looking for: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/repo/ia32/os/i586/GConf-dbus-2.29.0-9.1.i586.rpm ?
May 16 23:54:06 <timeless_mbp> no
May 16 23:54:50 <timeless_mbp> well
May 16 23:55:03 <timeless_mbp> the problem is that it doesn't have the m4 file i'm looking for
May 17 00:00:05 <timeless_mbp> oh cute
May 17 00:00:11 <timeless_mbp> it has a .m4.in
May 17 00:00:14 <timeless_mbp> how nice
May 17 00:00:49 * timeless_mbp wonders why the heck it's a .in
May 17 00:11:29 * timeless_mbp grumbles
May 17 00:13:15 <timeless_mbp> so, of all the packages in repo.meego.com
May 17 00:13:22 <timeless_mbp> only one of them is really annoying
May 17 00:14:24 <timeless_mbp> sgml-common
May 17 00:15:15 <timeless_mbp> so… how does one determine rpm ancestry?
May 17 00:17:38 <timeless_mbp> eww
May 17 00:17:49 <timeless_mbp> sgml-common requires a strange version of automake too
May 17 00:34:16 * timeless_mbp grumbles
May 17 00:34:31 <timeless_mbp> how the heck is someone supposed to find the meego rootstraps from www.meego.com or wiki.meego.com?
May 17 00:35:19 <TSCHAKeee> i have not been able to build a more complete meego with ux, yet.
May 17 00:36:12 <tmzt> source is out? that's just netbook or handset already?
May 17 00:36:24 <tmzt> hah, keeps told me I remeber
May 17 00:36:40 <timeless_mbp> Stskeeps gave me a private image build
May 17 00:36:44 <timeless_mbp> and someone pointed me to a public one
May 17 00:36:57 <timeless_mbp> but there should be an *easy* way to get one from the main sites
May 17 00:38:05 * TSCHAKeee would love one of the private builds
May 17 00:38:30 <timeless_mbp> the build he gave me is linked from a channel log, the log is public
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