**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 26 02:59:57 2010
May 26 04:48:07 <Stskeeps> thiago: vorbis was/is going to be part of harmattan, so not sure there's an issue with it anymore
May 26 05:17:29 <jmd_akbar> 'hi
May 26 05:17:33 <jmd_akbar> 'need a bit help
May 26 05:17:45 <Stskeeps> ask your question, probably easier
May 26 05:17:48 <jmd_akbar> 'will meego work on nokia 7210 supernova?
May 26 05:18:11 <TSCHAKeee> uh. no.
May 26 05:19:03 <jmd_akbar> 'ouch
May 26 05:19:05 <jmd_akbar> 'sure?
May 26 05:19:43 <TSCHAKeee> there are no plans to support it, unless you want to try a port.
May 26 05:19:55 <Stskeeps> you'd need nokia keys to even port a linux kernel on top of it
May 26 05:20:05 <jmd_akbar> 'damn..
May 26 05:20:10 <jmd_akbar> great thanks
May 26 05:20:16 <jmd_akbar> 'g'bye
May 26 05:21:07 <tekojo> which device was he asking about?
May 26 05:21:16 <Stskeeps> nokia 7210 supernova
May 26 05:21:17 <TSCHAKeee> a symbian device
May 26 05:21:18 <tekojo> ...and morning :)
May 26 05:21:34 <Stskeeps> people want to put linux in the weirdest places
May 26 05:22:06 <tekojo> oh, supernova, nice phone, but not designed with Linux in mind
May 26 05:22:15 <RST38h> Live penguin powered by Linux would be of great artistic value...
May 26 05:22:25 <tekojo> Stskeeps, the best of commentators for Linux in weird places :D
May 26 05:23:13 <TSCHAKeee> most ppl do not understand how constrained most phones really are
May 26 05:23:33 <RST38h> That depends
May 26 05:24:00 <RST38h> If you compare a modern phone with an old 386 PC...
May 26 05:24:54 <tekojo> RST38h: true, but when you boot up a 386 you suddenly remember why we don't use them anymore
May 26 05:25:04 <tekojo> or not so suddenly
May 26 05:25:10 <RST38h> tekojo: I am ok with 386s
May 26 05:26:07 <RST38h> they have their uses, just like most embedded equipment does...
May 26 05:26:19 <tekojo> I just want some more speed than those things have
May 26 05:29:00 <RST38h> Actually, it is even weirder with the phones
May 26 05:29:28 <RST38h> The phone CPUs are powerful enough now to run general purpose software (FireFox, office apps, etc)
May 26 05:29:52 <RST38h> But then you hit the memory bandwidth bottleneck and things slow down to the crawl
May 26 05:30:14 <RST38h> This problem never occurred with apps originally written for the phones
May 26 05:31:07 <RST38h> And Maemo is hitting the third problem nowadays: the mass storage bandwidth bottleneck, as most of the software is stored on MMC, and swap too
May 26 05:31:19 <TSCHAKeee> yup
May 26 05:31:21 <TSCHAKeee> it's a clusterfuck
May 26 05:32:09 <RST38h> Well, it just limits the selection of apps you can succesfully run
May 26 05:32:33 <RST38h> The same FireFox Mobile or KOffice are not really usable for example
May 26 05:32:46 <RST38h> But mobile-oriented Opera10 runs like a charm
May 26 05:44:24 <jysky> well.. firefox in any system is so darn heavy so why wouldn't it be on maemo
May 26 06:50:15 <sivang> hi all
May 26 06:50:33 <sivang> greetings from the NOkida Developer Workshop in tel aviv :)
May 26 06:50:38 <sivang> Nokia, even
May 26 06:51:32 <thiago_home> hello
May 26 06:52:56 <sivang> hey thiago_home , yo there as well?
May 26 06:53:23 <sivang> thiago_home: Sami is going to give a very nice track of Qt and Platform development
May 26 06:57:20 <thiago_home> Qt is usually not used for Platform development
May 26 06:57:27 <thiago_home> what is the workshop about?
May 26 06:58:05 <Guest94051> Hi any one used connection manager for cellular service ?
May 26 06:58:10 <sivang> thiago_home: cross platform development with Qt , Mobility API etc
May 26 06:58:16 <sivang> thiago_home: rigt, not platform development
May 26 06:58:44 <sivang> thiago_home: although Symbian uses Qt for some of it's platform services no?
May 26 07:01:00 * thiago_home has to go, will be back from the office
May 26 07:05:22 <sivang> thiago_home: now Jukka is on
May 26 07:22:00 <thiago> sivang: which jukka?
May 26 07:26:18 <sivang> thiago: Jukka Kiskinen
May 26 07:26:28 <sivang> thiago: Kiiskinen
May 26 07:26:41 <sivang> thiago: you Espoo based?
May 26 07:31:43 <thiago> no
May 26 07:31:45 <thiago> Oslo-based
May 26 07:31:59 * thiago now goes to a workshop with some Helsinki-based people
May 26 07:32:12 <timeless_mbp> thiago: you have my sympathies :)
May 26 07:33:59 <sx0n> how so?
May 26 07:34:10 <thiago> and running Designer over remote X from a Solaris UltraSparc machine crashes...
May 26 07:34:34 <lbt> sx0n: it's hard work with those guys...
May 26 07:34:53 <lbt> sx0n: sauna's and jeigermiester....
May 26 07:35:22 <sx0n> evil combination
May 26 07:47:56 <sivang> timeless_mbp: he
May 26 07:48:13 <sivang> thiago: wow that is Qt designer?
May 26 07:48:24 <sivang> thiago: solaris is the client for the X?
May 26 07:48:49 <sivang> lbt: what is Sauna and Jeigermeister ? Apps? :)
May 26 07:49:22 <Stskeeps> codenames
May 26 07:49:23 <Stskeeps> ;)
May 26 07:49:39 <sx0n> synonym for big hangover
May 26 07:50:11 <lbt> heh
May 26 07:50:26 <lbt> complex workflow system
May 26 07:52:18 <sivang> Stskeeps: Right, that is what I thought :-)
May 26 07:52:26 <sivang> sx0n: hehehe
May 26 07:54:24 <sivang> sx0n: although friends from Finland said Sauna is a very centric thing there.
May 26 07:55:00 <sx0n> sivang, we once laminated specs so those could be inspected in sauna.
May 26 07:55:48 <sivang> sx0n: very imporant
May 26 07:55:53 <sivang> sx0n: I would like to work like this :)
May 26 07:55:58 * sivang suspends
May 26 07:56:01 <sivang> be right back
May 26 07:56:08 <pupnik> starting a media file is too slow on maemo.  i hope qt is not going to slow us down even more
May 26 08:13:11 <lbt> arjan: I asked for the TSG to make a ruling on "Policy is mandatory"... any thoughts?
May 26 08:13:47 <lbt> I know it's blindingly obvious....
May 26 08:21:49 <sivang> back
May 26 08:21:55 <sivang> Sami is on.
May 26 09:38:22 <iskren> Hi there, just a small question: Is there any preferred linux distro to develop for meego, especially for handheld devices, and where can I find help on setting up the virtual machine for the device on linux ( there is no instructions for that on the official site)
May 26 09:38:34 <Stskeeps> i've found fedora working quite well.
May 26 09:38:55 <CosmoHill> hey Stskeeps
May 26 09:39:43 <CosmoHill> iskren: I've seen a tutorial for installing the meego n900 image on QEMU
May 26 09:40:27 <iskren> CosmoHill: thanks, I'll search for that!
May 26 09:40:35 <Myrtti> omnomnom bacon toast ♥
May 26 09:41:43 <CosmoHill> :o]
May 26 09:41:50 <CosmoHill> bacon toast
May 26 09:42:49 <CosmoHill> iskren: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Qemu
May 26 09:43:26 <iskren> CosmoHill: I  think I found it - but in the first sentence : "QEMU offers one an easy way to try out MeeGo on ARM" - does that mean that I have to have an arm? I tought the whole idea is to emulate it :) and - is there an easy way to run my project from the qt-creator in the simulator, or I have to write a script to install it after each build manually?
May 26 09:44:06 <CosmoHill> oh no, ARM is the emulated system
May 26 09:45:19 <Myrtti> CosmoHill: http://flic.kr/p/857v28 *burp*
May 26 09:45:50 <CosmoHill> damn that looks good
May 26 09:45:52 * CosmoHill drools
May 26 09:46:23 <CosmoHill> would you like some orange juice?http://black-flag.co.uk/files/inocent-weasel.jpg
May 26 09:46:25 <CosmoHill> http://black-flag.co.uk/files/inocent-weasel.jpg
May 26 09:47:34 <CosmoHill> Myrtti: is that a meego sticker I see on your laptop?
May 26 09:48:01 <Myrtti> CosmoHill: indeed it is
May 26 09:48:15 <inz> "You dawg, I heard you like stickers..."
May 26 09:48:27 <inz> -u
May 26 09:51:28 <CosmoHill> I have a G.Skills sticker on my powerbook
May 26 09:51:58 <Myrtti> whee! Managed to upload a Linux Collaboration Summit talk! http://blip.tv/file/3673545
May 26 09:53:39 <CosmoHill> aaahhh
May 26 09:53:42 <CosmoHill> it's in flash
May 26 09:54:02 <CosmoHill> I'm gonna assume meego has an IRC client
May 26 09:56:16 <pupnik> ty Myrtti
May 26 09:56:51 <Myrtti> CosmoHill: AFAIK there is an option of downloading non-flash versions too
May 26 09:57:27 <CosmoHill> why won't quicktime let me download the source without paying for it :(
May 26 09:57:32 <Myrtti> CosmoHill: m4v http://blip.tv/file/get/Myrtti-LCSMeeGoQuimGil908.m4v
May 26 09:57:34 <CosmoHill> or trying to load the whole thing first
May 26 09:57:37 <CosmoHill> thank you :)
May 26 10:01:14 <Stskeeps> Myrtti: no sound?
May 26 10:02:53 <Stskeeps> ah, my bad
May 26 10:03:09 <Myrtti> you're welcome
May 26 10:04:01 <Myrtti> I've not actually watched the output so if there's any problems, tell me
May 26 10:04:26 <Stskeeps> i really hope recording will happen on the meego conference, that doesn't suck, that is
May 26 10:11:56 <skyscraper> hi
May 26 10:12:23 <skyscraper> when will meego for n900 released?
May 26 10:14:02 <Myrtti> ...
May 26 10:15:04 <Jartza> what was it, 2 months ago?=
May 26 10:15:06 <Jartza> :)
May 26 10:15:43 <skyscraper> i've heard that it would be released in may?!
May 26 10:16:21 * Myrtti moves away slowly
May 26 10:20:13 <smoku> Jartza: almost 2 months. http://maemo-freak.com/index.php/hacks/1399-first-meego-build-for-nokia-n900-now-available-for-download
May 26 10:21:00 <skyscraper> yes but a release with multiboot and gui?!
May 26 10:21:06 <CosmoHill> Stskeeps: the flash one had sound
May 26 10:21:56 <Stskeeps> skyscraper: multiboot is delayed but is possible to do with flasher involved. GUI, we have xterm, handset UX is postponed for entire meego project.
May 26 10:33:49 <manjiri> What is the best way to work with Harmattan UI framework, if I want to build my own input method? 1. Use scratchbox 2. Use Qt SDK
May 26 10:57:13 <slaine> Stskeeps: postponed for "entire meego project", what does that mean ?
May 26 10:58:24 <Stskeeps> slaine: as in, it wasn't coming out with may release, ie, neither aava or n900 would have it, it would come out a litle later
May 26 10:58:40 <slaine> right
May 26 10:58:58 <slaine> yes. thought it was clear by now that the may release is only for atom netbooks
May 26 11:56:49 <CosmoHill> hey slaine
May 26 12:03:17 <slaine> yo
May 26 12:04:15 <CosmoHill> I got 68% in my C++ assignment
May 26 12:05:10 <CosmoHill> 2nd highest so far
May 26 12:07:49 <slaine> good man
May 26 12:08:01 <slaine> did you find out where you lost marks ?
May 26 12:09:01 <CosmoHill> nope not yet
May 26 12:09:12 <CosmoHill> the marks have been posted up on out uni system
May 26 12:09:45 <CosmoHill> also you half that to 34% as the coursework is only worth 50% of the module
May 26 12:10:08 <CosmoHill> so I need 8% in the exam to pass
May 26 12:10:12 <slaine> make sure you try and find out though, it's very important
May 26 12:10:30 <CosmoHill> I will find out when I talk to him but that's after the exam I think
May 26 12:10:42 <slaine> yeah, that's fine
May 26 12:11:07 <slaine> I don't mean from the perspective of arguing over the mark, I mean from the "what did I miss that would have landed my an A+"
May 26 12:13:19 <CosmoHill> I always want to find out where I went wrong
May 26 12:16:34 <CosmoHill> I need to get 72% or more to bring my grade up to an A (1st)
May 26 12:40:36 <evilbit> hi, I'm reading up on meego and wondering if there's a release for the n810?
May 26 12:40:51 <Stskeeps> there's a skunkworks project to bring it on there.. we have xfce4 on it
May 26 12:41:07 <Stskeeps> but you'll have to wait for 1.0 release of meego before we can start sharing
May 26 12:41:58 <evilbit> ah, ok
May 26 12:42:21 <Stskeeps> wiki.meego.com/ARM/N8x0
May 26 12:42:22 <evilbit> thanks for the info. I'll keep checking in on the website for the release
May 26 12:55:59 <CosmoHill> slaine: Over the summer I plan to work on my disseration
May 26 12:56:03 <CosmoHill> but I need a question :(
May 26 13:21:17 * CosmoHill blinks
May 26 13:25:18 * Stskeeps wonders if 1.0 will be the bullet that makes most of the meego project come into the open.
May 26 13:26:02 <GAN900> Stskeeps, doubt it. :P
May 26 13:26:18 <GAN900> It's Maemo: Redeux
May 26 13:26:38 * arjan boots his n900 into the firmware update
May 26 13:29:05 <slaine> arjan: show off
May 26 13:29:24 <Stskeeps> heh, PR1.2 came out today everywhere
May 26 13:30:42 * CosmoHill stabs WebCT
May 26 13:31:07 <slaine> Is PR1.2 Maemo5.1 ?
May 26 13:31:23 <arjan> more like a service pack kind of thing it seems
May 26 13:31:24 <Stskeeps> good question
May 26 13:31:57 <slaine> So more like Maemo5 R2
May 26 13:32:16 <slaine> ala debians roundup releases
May 26 13:32:39 <Stskeeps> which reminds me, will we have a sort of SSU thing for meego?
May 26 13:32:46 <Stskeeps> or is it the idea vendors should be doing this
May 26 13:33:25 * slaine hopes meego 1.0 for netbooks is out tonight or tomorrow, I'm away from friday and will miss all the fun
May 26 13:33:57 <Stskeeps> i'm hoping we finally get some info on project structure and names, because it's turning into a running joke by now..
May 26 13:34:47 <Stskeeps> 'yes, we have a big project and a lot of teams working on meego.' 'so who are they and how can i work together with them?' 'be right back..'
May 26 13:34:56 <zaheerm> Stskeeps, hopefully meego core will auto update with yum
May 26 13:35:03 <Stskeeps> better yet, zypper ;)
May 26 13:35:10 <janneg> slaine: monday is still end of may
May 26 13:35:25 <CosmoHill> and my road tax :(
May 26 13:35:27 <zaheerm> monday is holiday in some parts of the world
May 26 13:35:38 <CosmoHill> ah yes, it's a bank hoilday :)
May 26 13:35:44 <CosmoHill> that would explain why my exam is on tuesday
May 26 13:37:31 <slaine> my bank holiday weekend is the weekend after that
May 26 13:37:41 <slaine> but I'm still away on the monday coming
May 26 13:38:50 <TSCHAKeee> MeeGo Teams: "If we told you who your team members are, we'd have to kill you."
May 26 13:39:24 <slaine> TSCHAKeee: I put out a plee some weeks back to get some feedback from the team leads. disappointed nobody bit
May 26 13:39:37 <TSCHAKeee> *nod*
May 26 13:40:06 <zaheerm> too busy making the 1.0 release...
May 26 13:40:09 <TSCHAKeee> i'm to the point now
May 26 13:40:12 <TSCHAKeee> if they release the code
May 26 13:40:18 <TSCHAKeee> we should just run off with it and manage it ourselves
May 26 13:40:25 <TSCHAKeee> and give the vendors the finger.
May 26 13:40:48 <TSCHAKeee> because this is recockulous
May 26 13:40:49 <Stskeeps> sounds fun, but not in long term
May 26 13:40:49 <Stskeeps> :P
May 26 13:40:59 <TSCHAKeee> Stskeeps, oh i know...
May 26 13:41:00 <w00t_> sounds like an absolute disaster in the longer term
May 26 13:41:02 <w00t_> :P
May 26 13:41:13 <TSCHAKeee> i'm just talking out of frustration
May 26 13:41:23 <TSCHAKeee> i already have another project i am trying to keep on the skids
May 26 13:41:59 <slaine> don't we all
May 26 13:42:17 <arjan> Stskeeps: zypper isn't better than yum ;-(
May 26 13:42:19 <CosmoHill> damn my phone, it keeps using the wrong word in predictive test
May 26 13:42:26 <CosmoHill> i almost told someone I have "gayfever"
May 26 13:42:29 <CosmoHill> (hayfever)
May 26 13:42:51 <Stskeeps> arjan: to some degree it is, but lacking in others :P
May 26 13:43:06 <slaine> CosmoHill: you're the only one in the village
May 26 13:43:21 <CosmoHill> :(
May 26 13:44:02 <CosmoHill> bollocks, now I send a text half way through writting it
May 26 13:44:14 <arjan> hit unsend
May 26 13:44:31 * CosmoHill hits his phone repeatedtly
May 26 13:44:54 * w00t_ hits CosmoHill repeatedly
May 26 13:45:00 <CosmoHill> ow ow ow
May 26 13:46:26 * TSCHAKeee listens to Brian Eno - Discreet Music
May 26 13:46:29 <CosmoHill> I really should glue the front cover back into place
May 26 13:49:35 <CosmoHill> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/4587946370/
May 26 13:49:46 <CosmoHill> It's a well known fact that stickers boost performace
May 26 13:50:13 * slaine decides to backup his moblin user account in preparations for end of may release
May 26 14:01:49 * CosmoHill headbangs the desk for making rookie mistakes
May 26 14:20:18 <ZogG> CosmoHill where do i get those?
May 26 14:20:27 <ZogG> i want meego sticker =))))
May 26 14:20:32 <ZogG> and meego as well =)
May 26 14:28:36 <Myrtti> ZogG: it's a picture of my laptop, and I got the stickers directly from DawnFoster who had ordered them and gave a few out at Linux Collaboration Summit
May 26 14:28:57 <ZogG> Myrtti =((((
May 26 14:29:10 <ZogG> Myrtti, do you have more? =)))
May 26 14:29:33 <Myrtti> few for selected friends and workmates. Why don't you ask Dawn if she has more?
May 26 14:29:35 <ZogG> i don't have any summits in my country and if i do noone invites me =(
May 26 14:30:06 <ZogG> owww Dawn is female ...
May 26 14:30:45 <Myrtti> ... and what does Dawn being a female have to do with it?
May 26 14:30:53 <CosmoHill> owww? did she kick you?
May 26 14:30:53 * Myrtti is intrigued
May 26 14:31:15 * lcuk gets popcorn
May 26 14:31:15 <CosmoHill> Myrtti: good thing ZogG isnt' an AMD fanboy
May 26 14:31:20 <CosmoHill> hey lcuk
May 26 14:31:24 <ZogG> i didn't know who is she till now
May 26 14:31:28 * ZogG googled
May 26 14:31:43 <ZogG> CosmoHill, i'm just passing by =)))
May 26 14:31:53 <Myrtti> Lord give me strength
May 26 14:31:55 <ZogG> i don't trust AMD
May 26 14:32:44 <ZogG> Intel is my choice, but still didn't know anything about her before =)
May 26 14:33:01 <Myrtti> ... but what does her being female have to do with anything?
May 26 14:33:26 <Myrtti> no, wait, nevermind. I might get an answer I didn't want to hear
May 26 14:33:37 * CosmoHill takes handful of popcorn from lcuk and noms
May 26 14:34:33 <ZogG> Myrtti just disn't see too much geek girls around - that's all, most people over internet, IRC, IT i know are male
May 26 14:34:40 * CosmoHill runs away
May 26 14:34:45 <ZogG> nothing personal or against anyone
May 26 14:34:51 <CosmoHill> s/away/for cover
May 26 14:35:02 <Myrtti> DawnFoster: hi, we were just discussing the fact that there are women in zee Interwebs
May 26 14:35:12 <Myrtti> *rolleyes*
May 26 14:35:34 * ZogG hides
May 26 14:35:36 <DawnFoster> Myrtti: *sigh*
May 26 14:35:51 <CosmoHill> ZogG: there are some hot girls on my computer science course
May 26 14:36:20 <ZogG> there are no where i study and that makes me sad panda
May 26 14:36:37 <luist> hey i rebuilt a moblin application in suse, and im getting this error: http://pastie.org/976760  what could it be? i have the latest intel drivers, xorg-server 1.8.1 and all of its deps
May 26 14:37:21 <GAN900> Myrtti, liar.
May 26 14:37:53 <ZogG> GAN900 protect me please
May 26 14:39:25 <CosmoHill> ZogG: you could be a happy panda
May 26 14:39:31 <CosmoHill> and by happy i mean something else
May 26 14:39:38 <GAN900> TSCHAKeee, nah, "If we wanted to tell you, we'd have to find out ourselves first"
May 26 14:40:10 <ZogG> CosmoHill, i think i don't want to hear it, do i?
May 26 14:40:35 <CosmoHill> you could look it up on in the thesaurus
May 26 14:40:55 <Stskeeps> ..
May 26 14:57:05 <ZogG> DawnFoster, is gonna be any Intel or MeeGo summit in Israel?
May 26 15:04:22 <CosmoHill> http://wiki.meego.com/Events
May 26 15:05:39 <CosmoHill> http://www.flickr.com/photos/geekygirldawn/4505576032/page2/
May 26 15:07:00 <GAN900> Stskeeps, your issue didn't make the agenda?
May 26 15:07:20 <Stskeeps> i think there's enough for an hour, or even more, on that agenda
May 26 15:07:30 <Stskeeps> so i think it's fair
May 26 15:07:43 <GAN900> Stskeeps, well, certainly, when they keep cancelling meetings. ;)
May 26 15:08:08 <CosmoHill> oh yeah, the meeting is tonight right?
May 26 15:09:01 <Stskeeps> GAN900: besides that, it generated a good discussion and quim and dirk clearly showed we're on the same page regarding how things should be.
May 26 15:15:17 <CosmoHill> http://www.flickr.com/photos/geekygirldawn/2323718199/ bunny!
May 26 15:15:57 <leinir> Very bunny indeed! :)
May 26 15:16:08 <Stskeeps> which reminds me i should watch donnie darko again..
May 26 15:16:29 <CosmoHill> me too
May 26 15:17:27 <DawnFoster> Someone found my flickr stream :)
May 26 15:17:55 <Stskeeps> meego stickers were discussed before and i guess that where it came from :)
May 26 15:18:04 * Stskeeps is looking forward to be putting a meego sticker on his n900
May 26 15:18:31 <DawnFoster> yeah, it's not hard to find. Lots of goofy pictures of my nephew mostly along with various conferences / vacations
May 26 15:18:39 <gour> hiya, when do you expect UI gfor meego to be released?
May 26 15:18:51 <Stskeeps> gour: netbook ux should come out in may, handset ux sometime after
May 26 15:19:22 <gour> Stskeeps: will stuff like video for skype/sip work on meego as well as in 1.2?
May 26 15:19:59 <Stskeeps> gour: i think it's a good idea to go read meego.com and what it says in the text :)
May 26 15:20:19 <Stskeeps> skype and such is normally reserved for vendors to put on their devices as differentiation
May 26 15:20:26 <Stskeeps> but one day meego might change that, i guess :P
May 26 15:21:01 <gour> hmm, but one prevents one to use skype on meego?
May 26 15:21:09 <TSCHAKeee> *FACEPALM*
May 26 15:21:11 <TSCHAKeee> dude
May 26 15:21:14 <TSCHAKeee> it's linux
May 26 15:21:21 <Stskeeps> gour: you can install skype for linux on netbook at least
May 26 15:21:47 <Stskeeps> handset grade skype is a bit different
May 26 15:22:38 <gour> ok, it's better to ask about sip, e.g. ekiga then :-)
May 26 15:22:44 <Stskeeps> ah, that's probably easier
May 26 15:22:57 <Stskeeps> i don't know what the state of sip is there, or what telepathy plugins are being used
May 26 15:23:30 * gour 'forgot' skype is propr. :-(
May 26 15:23:57 <ZogG> skype promised to go open
May 26 15:24:10 <gour> heh...long ago
May 26 15:24:25 <gour> there is not even 64bit version
May 26 15:24:31 <CosmoHill> ubuntu has skype in it's repo now
May 26 15:25:48 <gour> any eta when some meego hw may appear (besides n900)?
May 26 15:26:12 <CosmoHill> you mean when you can buy phones with meego on it from a shop?
May 26 15:28:05 <gour> CosmoHill: well, at least, when one can have some decent phone which can load meego on it
May 26 15:29:03 <gour> when we speak about telepathy, is there some progress with telepathy & otr? on desktop it keeps me using pidgin
May 26 15:47:01 <Myrtti> second video is up ♥ http://myrtti.blip.tv/file/3674581/
May 26 15:52:11 <lbt> http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/
May 26 15:53:06 <Stskeeps> we never had releases?
May 26 15:53:11 <Stskeeps> well, i guess it was a codedrop
May 26 15:56:24 <TSCHAKeee> that really tells a lot, huh
May 26 15:56:57 <gour> almost like vapourware :-D
May 26 16:00:02 <CosmoHill> there's no readme file :o
May 26 16:00:10 <Stskeeps> http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_signed-off-by_process <- that's a sane process
May 26 16:01:49 <CosmoHill> will I be right in assuming that this meego doesn't come with video drivers
May 26 16:01:52 <CosmoHill> only vesa?
May 26 16:01:56 <TSCHAKeee> heh
May 26 16:02:14 <Stskeeps> CosmoHill: and only greyscale, obviously
May 26 16:02:22 <CosmoHill> :o
May 26 16:02:24 <GAN900> sts
May 26 16:02:33 <GAN900> Stskeeps, sticker is too big, probably.
May 26 16:02:40 <GAN900> (damn return key)
May 26 16:07:42 * CosmoHill damns GAN900's return key
May 26 16:11:50 <CosmoHill> I see Virtual Machine Support in the meego kickstart file
May 26 16:20:52 <arjan> ......... and 1.0 is released!
May 26 16:21:08 <Stskeeps> woo
May 26 16:21:38 <Stskeeps> no reflection of it on the homepage though
May 26 16:22:43 <koupsa> why a google chrome version?
May 26 16:22:47 <DawnFoster> http://meego.com/community/blogs/imad/2010/meego-v1.0-core-software-platform-netbook-user-experience-project-release
May 26 16:22:53 <Stskeeps> ah, there
May 26 16:22:53 <arjan> Stskeeps: it's on the homepage too
May 26 16:23:01 <arjan> hit refresh on your browser cache ;)
May 26 16:23:06 <slaine> arjan: congrats
May 26 16:23:15 <slaine> wget'ing as we speak
May 26 16:23:40 <koupsa> 15minutes and try it
May 26 16:24:10 <koupsa> whereis my usbstick ?
May 26 16:24:11 <Stskeeps> DawnFoster: thanks for url
May 26 16:24:17 <CosmoHill> ctrl + F5 is a good way to force your brower to refresh
May 26 16:24:30 <TSCHAKeee> still looks like it's using mutter
May 26 16:24:46 <arjan> netbook uses mmutter yes
May 26 16:25:16 <TSCHAKeee> how long will this be the case?
May 26 16:25:30 <arjan> for netbook? I don't think there's a plan to change that
May 26 16:25:36 <arjan> other devices will use other setups
May 26 16:25:50 <CosmoHill> DawnFoster: would you like a quick mirror?
May 26 16:25:58 <TSCHAKeee> ....okay.
May 26 16:25:58 <arjan> applications will be qt based
May 26 16:26:06 <DawnFoster> I think we're already mirroring it
May 26 16:26:20 <arjan> we have about 5 to 10 gigabit of mirror bandwidth
May 26 16:26:21 <GAN900> So, is meego.com gonna get a takedown notice too?
May 26 16:26:26 <CosmoHill> :o
May 26 16:26:32 <Stskeeps> GAN900: ah, good one
May 26 16:26:36 <arjan> if you have a few gigabit to add. sure
May 26 16:26:40 <TSCHAKeee> arjan, am wanting to do UX work, building a TV UX, and am wondering what i should leverage...
May 26 16:26:40 <arjan> CAN900: for what?
May 26 16:26:42 <koupsa> diff between chrome and no chrome version? only chrome?
May 26 16:26:43 <Stskeeps> maemo.org got a takedown notice recently due to chrome
May 26 16:26:47 <Stskeeps> sec
May 26 16:27:00 <arjan> for that thing on lwn a while ago for the smart updater thing?
May 26 16:27:00 <CosmoHill> arjan: well when downloading big files I tend to download to my friends server and then download from there
May 26 16:27:04 <TSCHAKeee> is it chrome vs moblin-web-browser?
May 26 16:27:04 <CosmoHill> his is 200Mb/s
May 26 16:27:12 <Stskeeps> arjan: yeah, that
May 26 16:27:16 <arjan> the thing that isn't enabled in linux builds so the takedown is just a joke
May 26 16:27:24 <arjan> ;)
May 26 16:28:05 <lbt> but you distribute the source for it?
May 26 16:28:28 <lbt> meh, that's what lawyers are for...
May 26 16:28:45 <lbt> hi anaZ
May 26 16:28:53 <anaZ> hi
May 26 16:29:10 <arjan> lbt: for chrome? no we don't ship chrome source
May 26 16:29:30 <CosmoHill> my download speed is all over the place :/
May 26 16:29:55 <lbt> anaZ: did you get my request?
May 26 16:30:10 <anaZ> yes I did
May 26 16:30:27 <lbt> I didn't realise the release was so close at the time :)
May 26 16:30:54 <lbt> what do yo need to enable a link?
May 26 16:31:08 <lbt> src IP of the machine/http proxy?
May 26 16:31:46 <slaine> nice visual refresh
May 26 16:32:00 <lbt> slaine: ? the xterm is black/yellow now?
May 26 16:32:10 <slaine> haha
May 26 16:32:10 <CosmoHill> slaine: damn you and your fast internet
May 26 16:32:20 <slaine> CosmoHill: nah, it's still downloading
May 26 16:32:22 <slaine> http://meego.com/devices/netbook/netbook-screenshots
May 26 16:33:16 <koupsa> are the links right?  MeeGo v1.0 for Netbooks   download a chromium version ?
May 26 16:33:29 <CosmoHill> i was just thinking that
May 26 16:33:33 <DawnFoster> slaine: Yeah, I like the new look
May 26 16:34:29 <CosmoHill> 100%[======================================>] 813,694,976  797K/s   in 8m 44s
May 26 16:34:31 <DawnFoster> koupsa: I'm not sure that I understand your question
May 26 16:34:37 <lbt> anaZ: well, ping me when you have an answer...
May 26 16:34:54 <CosmoHill> DawnFoster: chromium has google chrome right?
May 26 16:34:55 <DawnFoster> the meego 1.0 for netbooks is Chromium
May 26 16:35:02 <CosmoHill> oh it's the name of it?
May 26 16:35:02 <anaZ> lbt: you will get an answer per email, I dont like mixing email conversations with irc chats :)
May 26 16:35:20 <DawnFoster> we have the open source Chromium version for people who want an all open source disto
May 26 16:35:29 <lbt> anaZ: err.... OK
May 26 16:35:37 <Stskeeps> we're speaking the browser, right?
May 26 16:35:45 <DawnFoster> we also have a version with Chrome, but it requires a Google EULA click-thru (google requirement)
May 26 16:35:47 <koupsa>    MeeGo v1.0 for Netbooks    download  meego-notebook-chromium
May 26 16:35:53 <Stskeeps> ah
May 26 16:35:55 <Stskeeps> that makes sense
May 26 16:36:03 <slaine> Go to the /netbook on the site
May 26 16:36:11 <CosmoHill> where can I get the sha1 for the image?
May 26 16:36:40 <slaine> there's a download option there for a chrome version if you agree to the google eula
May 26 16:37:40 <CosmoHill> http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/netbook/images/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.md5sum
May 26 16:38:22 <CosmoHill> http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/ << incase anyone wants to download from there
May 26 16:38:26 <Stskeeps> it's a nice gesture to properly seperate what's oss and what's not (wimax supplicant etc) - means we're all sure what we're gettng
May 26 16:38:31 <luist> hey i rebuilt a moblin application in suse, and im getting this error: http://pastie.org/976760  what could it be? i have the latest intel drivers, xorg-server 1.8.1 and all of its deps
May 26 16:39:14 <slaine> MX and Clutter looking lovely
May 26 16:40:53 <koupsa> reboot on usb
May 26 16:41:20 * TSCHAK still wondering whether to build the UX on clutter/MX or Qt
May 26 16:41:58 <thos> CosmoHill: i'm not sure you can mirror it, some of the assets are (c) Intel and have trademark agreements
May 26 16:42:19 <Stskeeps> the chromium image should hopefully be mirrorable
May 26 16:42:23 <Stskeeps> otherwise we've -really- failed.
May 26 16:42:56 <CosmoHill> well if it's not I'll taken it down after I've finished downloading to my local server
May 26 16:43:04 <arjan> Stskeeps: you can mirror the image
May 26 16:43:09 <Stskeeps> yes, that's what i thought :)
May 26 16:43:11 <CosmoHill> :)
May 26 16:43:12 <arjan> what you can't do is make a bad clone that's not compatible
May 26 16:43:13 <thos> Stskeeps: both include mutter-moblin and other packages with the proprietory license
May 26 16:43:39 <Stskeeps> so, we're actually not OSS on netbook images?
May 26 16:43:40 <CosmoHill> I'm going by what arjan says
May 26 16:43:51 <Stskeeps> obviously there's trademark stuff
May 26 16:43:58 <Stskeeps> and use of this
May 26 16:44:09 <Stskeeps> .. actually, nm, i'm sounding like an ass.
May 26 16:44:15 <Stskeeps> yes, this makes perfect sense.
May 26 16:44:19 <thos> CosmoHill: Stskeeps the license says "Permission is granted to copy and distribute in association with a device that has fulfilled all requirements of the MeeGo™ Compliance Program (see http://www.meego.com). No other licenses expressed or implied are granted.
May 26 16:44:26 <TSCHAK> hey thos, long time no see. :)
May 26 16:44:32 <thos> hey TSCHAK :-)
May 26 16:44:41 <Stskeeps> thos: fair enough - artwork and logos
May 26 16:45:30 <Stskeeps> i'm kinda wondering 'with a device' though, but so it goes
May 26 16:46:19 <thos> Stskeeps: yeah i'm not sure what it means, but most of the graphics are full (c) intel
May 26 16:46:38 <Stskeeps> because i could imagine a scenario where i want to let's say, distribute my app on top of a meego image, while maintaining being meego compliant
May 26 16:46:46 <Stskeeps> and distribute this image
May 26 16:47:01 <Stskeeps> but that's just nitpicking.
May 26 16:47:41 <Stskeeps> i think it's for the best, we need compliance in order for the platform to survive.
May 26 16:47:42 <koupsaa> i say waouh! very nice very cute meego and fast :)
May 26 16:47:57 <koupsaa> an irc client ?
May 26 16:48:28 <koupsaa> great job arjan DawnFoster and the other
May 26 16:48:56 <DawnFoster> koupsaa - thanks! Many people worked on getting this out
May 26 16:49:00 <pippin> luist: either use clutter 1.2.8 or apply this patch 14a353e0c204a3e603397d3dce61a11ac80c6cee from the 1.2 branch ( http://bugzilla.openedhand.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2102 )
May 26 16:49:13 <DawnFoster> and we're relieved to have the development out in the open now
May 26 16:49:58 <koupsaa> nice i reboot and search an irc client
May 26 16:50:48 <Stskeeps> DawnFoster: i hope we'll see a flurry of active construction and use of this platform from now on, yeah
May 26 16:50:51 <koupsaa> irc is not in the "messenger" may be i miss them
May 26 16:51:03 <koupsaa> ?
May 26 16:51:30 <koupsaa> anybody have found an irc client?
May 26 16:51:36 <koupsaa> ok i search
May 26 16:52:46 <robster> koupsaa: install telepathy-idle package :-P
May 26 16:52:52 <koupsaa> i celebrate meego with a orange bud
May 26 16:53:14 <koupsaa> ok
May 26 16:53:48 <luist> pippin, the only packages i have installed are clutter-imcontext and libclutter-glx... do i need to upgrade any of these or just install clutter 1.2.8?
May 26 16:54:09 <slaine> fail
May 26 16:54:10 <slaine> meego-netbook-ia32-20100524.1.img440 B/s - 694.3 kB of 800 MB, 22 days left
May 26 16:54:19 <CosmoHill> ha!
May 26 16:54:33 <Stskeeps> slaine: i was downloading a 1.8gb MMC image earlier to test it, 4 hours, don't complain
May 26 16:54:36 <Stskeeps> :P
May 26 16:54:41 <CosmoHill> i downloaded RHEL to my friend's server and then from there to mine
May 26 16:54:53 <CosmoHill> it went wrong so I used rsync to fix it instead of downloading agian
May 26 16:54:55 <slaine> hmm, I've got a server I could try and use
May 26 16:55:07 <pippin> luist: just install clutter 1.2.8 libclutter-glx is provided by clutter
May 26 16:55:18 <luist> pippin, ok
May 26 16:55:56 <CosmoHill> I've downloaded 288MB so far
May 26 16:55:57 <happyblob> hi guys, minor detail and not related to image itself but the windows usb imaging instructions still refer to moblin not meego
May 26 16:55:57 <happyblob> http://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook
May 26 16:55:57 <happyblob> where do you report this kind of nitpicking? :)
May 26 16:56:08 <Stskeeps> happyblob: mailing list thread people seem to pick up on
May 26 16:56:11 <DawnFoster> I fixed part of it
May 26 16:56:20 <arjan> happyblob: either here or the mailing list
May 26 16:56:24 <nedrichards> slaine: fly to london, I'll put it on a USB stick for you faster than that
May 26 16:56:31 <slaine> hey nedrichards
May 26 16:56:35 <DawnFoster> I'm going to send it to someone else to make sure that all of the links are correct, to
May 26 16:56:37 <DawnFoster> too
May 26 16:56:41 <slaine> nice to see you've been let out in the open
May 26 16:56:46 <nedrichards> slaine: ;-)
May 26 16:56:48 <Form0> so sloow, any torrent available? :)
May 26 16:57:03 <arjan> Form0: there's a whole bunch of mirrors
May 26 16:57:06 <arjan> like mirror.kernel.org
May 26 16:57:08 <arjan> try a mirror!
May 26 16:57:10 <happyblob> ok thanks.. i'm officially reporting it here then! :)
May 26 16:57:15 <Form0> ahh, thx
May 26 16:57:18 <CosmoHill> arjan: are the mirrors listed somewhere?
May 26 16:57:26 <zaheerm> awesome, didn't realiose it was released
May 26 16:57:28 <arjan> in theory we round robbin the urls for them on the site
May 26 16:57:41 <arjan> but round robin does not mean the load is perfectly balanced
May 26 16:57:46 <TSCHAK> the robins are tired from flying already
May 26 16:57:53 <CosmoHill> Form0: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/ if you wanna try
May 26 16:57:56 <microlith> hmm, time to break out the aspire one when I get home
May 26 16:58:01 <zaheerm> DawnFoster, pass on my congrats on the release
May 26 16:58:11 <microlith> Looks very... Moblin
May 26 16:58:17 <TSCHAK> somebody needs to check the data center to see if the router is glowing.
May 26 16:58:22 <TSCHAK> and smoking
May 26 16:58:27 <CosmoHill> or netgear
May 26 16:58:30 <arjan> there's several data centers around the world for this
May 26 16:58:32 <zaheerm> 21 minutes remaining here
May 26 16:58:42 <TSCHAK> eth0: router on fire.
May 26 16:59:20 <TSCHAK> microlith, ....yeahhhhh... it's the netbook UX...were you...expecting something wildly different? :)
May 26 16:59:20 <happyblob> thanks CosmoHill btw, getting it from your server at the mo, good speed
May 26 16:59:37 <microlith> TSCHAK: not really
May 26 16:59:55 <Corsac> hmhm, is there a netbook image for arm? (I mean, with netbook UI)
May 26 17:00:01 <arjan> no
May 26 17:00:04 <microlith> I do like that the tabs are more colorful though :)
May 26 17:00:15 <nedrichards> microlith: glad to make you happy
May 26 17:00:27 <microlith> nedrichards: you work on that part?
May 26 17:00:35 <koupsaa> yep
May 26 17:00:39 <microlith> cool
May 26 17:00:41 * TSCHAK wonders how long until ppl realise that MX's ui is stylable, and people start changing it
May 26 17:01:01 <CosmoHill> arjan: any graphics drivers or just basic vesa for now?
May 26 17:01:02 <nedrichards> microlith: i'm in the design team, but they'd hold a revolt if you let me near actual graphics
May 26 17:01:04 <microlith> will have to give it a spin tonight
May 26 17:01:07 <koupsaa> wone pqnel ok
May 26 17:01:15 <Stskeeps> arjan: if we stretch that a bit, isn't it possible to build clutter against GLES2?
May 26 17:01:15 <koupsaa> oups zone panel ok
May 26 17:01:25 <TSCHAK> Stskeeps, yes
May 26 17:01:26 <CosmoHill> happyblob: that's good to know
May 26 17:01:29 <CosmoHill> I'll pass it on to the owner
May 26 17:01:45 <Stskeeps> (i know it's not built against ARM atm.)
May 26 17:02:20 <TSCHAK> i've run clutter on a freescale dev board
May 26 17:02:45 <slaine> hmm, my mouse just stopped working
May 26 17:03:03 <robster> koupsaa: telepathy-idle should be installed by default
May 26 17:03:17 <koupsaa> nice ;odifiqble toolbqr
May 26 17:03:25 <nedrichards> yup
May 26 17:03:27 <koupsaa> grr thx robster<<
May 26 17:03:27 <DawnFoster> slaine: weird
May 26 17:03:31 <lcuk> mmm the 1.0 core experience for handhelds thing - it says it includes graphics and qt - can we use qt directly now and run apps?  like even the widget gallery
May 26 17:03:37 <koupsaa> keyboqrd/ lol
May 26 17:03:46 <robster> koupsaa: rpm -qi should tell you if it is..
May 26 17:04:08 <koupsaa> nice robster i m on meego noz
May 26 17:04:13 <koupsaa> now
May 26 17:04:24 <robster> cool, i've never tested it with IRC
May 26 17:04:24 <koupsaa> just need a french keyboard
May 26 17:04:43 <microlith> hmm
May 26 17:05:00 <DawnFoster> happyblob: that page has a few other errors on it, I think. Bob Spencer is updating it now
May 26 17:05:02 <townxelliot> lcuk: Qt apps should work by default
May 26 17:05:05 <robster> the wonders of telepathy :-)
May 26 17:05:06 <lcuk> koupsaa, no, the announce says 2d/3d graphics stack
May 26 17:05:10 <DawnFoster> should be corrected in a few minutes
May 26 17:05:13 <microlith> since the release includes so many languages including chinese and japanese, does it come with an IME for input?
May 26 17:05:28 <smurfy-phil> hi i have a question about meego 1.0 does it only run on netbooks with atom? i have an old asus eeepc 701 4G, and moblin doesn't work there because of the sse2 thingy
May 26 17:05:40 <lcuk> townxelliot, so theres a window manager included?
May 26 17:05:46 <microlith> smurfy-phil: same restrictions are in place, I believe
May 26 17:05:47 <lcuk> cos apps have more than one window
May 26 17:05:48 <lcuk> :D
May 26 17:05:57 <koupsaa> toolbqr is a great inovation
May 26 17:06:27 <townxelliot> lcuk: yes, these images have a window manager
May 26 17:06:37 <arjan_> microlith: yeah there is some IME
May 26 17:06:43 <arjan_> it's a pretty bad one, but better than nothing
May 26 17:06:47 <microlith> true
May 26 17:06:50 <arjan_> smurfy-phil: only on atom
May 26 17:06:52 <microlith> and it can always be improved
May 26 17:08:24 <koupsaa> daznfoster http://meego.com/downloads  url for doznload are inverted  betzeen chromium and no chromium version
May 26 17:09:48 <koupsaa> dawnfoster http://meego.com/downloads  url for download are inverted  between chromium and no chromium version
May 26 17:10:21 <smurfy-phil> is there an "easy" way to rebuild all apps without sse2?
May 26 17:11:37 <koupsaa> i ve downloaded no chromium with no eula but i have chrome in app
May 26 17:12:29 <koupsaa> i m wrong ?
May 26 17:12:40 <Mirv> koupsaa: no, the other one is with chromium and the other one with chrome
May 26 17:13:07 <Mirv> the former is true open sauce and the latter requires google eulas
May 26 17:13:28 <koupsaa> look at the name of file are downloading
May 26 17:13:32 <Mirv> probably it says "chrome" in chromium as well somewhere?
May 26 17:14:31 <Mirv> I won't accept the eula to check the file of the other link, but the non-chrome says "chromium" in its name with sounds right, ie. no chrome but the chromium open source variant of it
May 26 17:16:29 <koupsaa> this page http://meego.com/downloads i hqve chrome but i have clicked on nochrome version
May 26 17:16:49 <slaine> smurfy-phil: rest assured, there's plenty of people interested in seeing something like that happen (I tried with moblin, hopefully the packaging problems are now a thing of the past)
May 26 17:16:49 <koupsaa> but i m so bad in english .
May 26 17:17:44 <koupsaa> no ntfs
May 26 17:17:51 <koupsaa> for now
May 26 17:18:06 <DawnFoster> can anyone confirm koupsaa's issue with the image?
May 26 17:18:08 <CosmoHill> meego is 32bit right?
May 26 17:18:18 <smurfy-phil> slaine: great i will try it, selfcompiling moblin was strange
May 26 17:19:07 <smurfy-phil> maybe with the array kernel or the patches from it
May 26 17:19:41 <slaine> CosmoHill: yes
May 26 17:20:16 * CosmoHill downloads nvidia graphics drivers
May 26 17:20:35 <slaine> DawnFoster: I downloaded the chromium version and it has chromium in the browser
May 26 17:20:57 <CosmoHill> isn't chromium open source
May 26 17:21:19 <Mirv> chromium is, chrome isn't, and I've been trying to tell koupsaa he might me mixing those two
May 26 17:21:51 <Mirv> both images have google browser, that is
May 26 17:21:52 <DawnFoster> slaine: thanks!
May 26 17:22:13 <DawnFoster> chromium is open source and has a blue logo
May 26 17:22:17 <slaine> for the record, Chromium is the FOSS version of chrome. It doesn't support h264 playback for example
May 26 17:22:38 <koupsaa> no moblin web browser><?
May 26 17:22:39 <tripzero> does with ffmpeg
May 26 17:22:48 <slaine> koupsaa: not any more
May 26 17:22:51 <koupsaa> ok
May 26 17:23:02 <slaine> not since 2.0 (2.1 used firefox)
May 26 17:23:07 <DawnFoster> the chrome browser has a logo with red, green and yellow
May 26 17:23:56 <zaheerm> is meego netbook image 59.5MB ?
May 26 17:24:02 <slaine> 800Mb
May 26 17:24:03 <lcuk> any reason why the duplicity was needed? does the closed source browser do things the open one cant?
May 26 17:24:07 <DawnFoster> koupsaa We decided that since there were already great open source browsers available, we didn't need to continue to develop and maintain a special browser
May 26 17:24:43 <GAN900> Too bad Chrome was the choice
May 26 17:24:45 <DawnFoster> lcuk: Chrome is a better user experience for people since it ships with some additional codecs
May 26 17:25:13 <koupsaa> DawnFoster it4s ok we see in user time
May 26 17:25:14 <lcuk> a browser with codecs?
May 26 17:25:16 <zaheerm> does it have the webm support in this version?
May 26 17:25:26 <slaine> for html5 video tag
May 26 17:25:37 <DawnFoster> chromium doesn't have proprietary codecs
May 26 17:25:40 <timeless_mbp> zaheerm: if it was frozen before webm, it shouldn't have it :)
May 26 17:25:53 <zaheerm> my guess is not, because chrome's webm support in the nightlys is pretty crap :)
May 26 17:26:10 <slaine> beyond codecs, I'm sure it does some "information gathering" that chromium doesn't :)
May 26 17:27:24 <lcuk> it runs faster too, it must do - its got less letters in its name
May 26 17:27:41 <zaheerm> timeless_mbp, do you know if fennec 2.0 builds have video tag support at all?
May 26 17:27:43 <TSCHAK> if i click on the chromified image
May 26 17:27:45 <TSCHAK> it just sits there
May 26 17:27:49 <TSCHAK> waiting for download2
May 26 17:27:59 <zaheerm> it stopped my download at 59.4MB
May 26 17:29:02 <zaheerm> changed to the chromium build now
May 26 17:29:17 <timeless_mbp> zaheerm: um, i can check :)
May 26 17:29:30 <timeless_mbp> i'm pretty sure they do
May 26 17:29:32 <CosmoHill> dammit were is my SD card :(
May 26 17:29:37 <DawnFoster> we're having a few bandwidth issues right now
May 26 17:29:40 <timeless_mbp> i don't think they have webm today, i think you need special branch builds for that
May 26 17:29:58 <DawnFoster> we're working on making additional improvements now
May 26 17:29:58 <zaheerm> timeless_mbp, and the maemo versions use gstreamer?
May 26 17:30:04 <timeless_mbp> no
May 26 17:30:08 <timeless_mbp> at least, i don't think so
May 26 17:30:18 <timeless_mbp> afaik the gstreamer work isn't ready
May 26 17:30:39 <DawnFoster> tschak: try it again
May 26 17:30:46 <zaheerm> timeless_mbp, ok thx, was gonna try the 2.0 nightly and test if it would play webm after i put the webm stuff in gstreamer on my n900
May 26 17:30:56 <timeless_mbp> zaheerm: so...
May 26 17:31:08 <timeless_mbp> given mozilla policy, it's incredibly unlikely that gstreamer would do what you want
May 26 17:31:16 <timeless_mbp> it's not our intention to support random gstreamer supported codecs
May 26 17:31:24 <timeless_mbp> that's considered *very bad for the web ™ *
May 26 17:31:53 <zaheerm> timeless_mbp, aah ok, so it would filter the plugins it loads up
May 26 17:32:06 <timeless_mbp> it should
May 26 17:32:16 <timeless_mbp> http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/archives/2010/01/video_freedom_a.html
May 26 17:32:21 <timeless_mbp> is one of a number of posts on the subject
May 26 17:33:05 <zaheerm> what would be good for my web is for me to actually get a browser running on my n900 that supports webm (and i don't mean chromium, which has poor video support)
May 26 17:34:56 <timeless_mbp> well, my fennec2 for osx is able to load http://www.dailymotion.com/openvideodemo
May 26 17:35:06 <zaheerm> DawnFoster, isthere a way to install the chrome rpm if you download the chromium version?
May 26 17:35:08 <timeless_mbp> and i'm seeing a shiny transformers trailer
May 26 17:35:32 <zaheerm> timeless_mbp, can it load zaheer.merali.org/webm/ ? :)
May 26 17:35:37 <timeless_mbp> yeah, it's working, i just tapped rotate player :)
May 26 17:35:58 <timeless_mbp> no :)
May 26 17:36:12 <slaine> hmm, my twitter feeds are only showing generic icons
May 26 17:36:13 <DawnFoster> zaheerm: not sure - you could probably get it from Google directly?
May 26 17:36:16 <slaine> anyone else seeing that ?
May 26 17:37:25 * CosmoHill lifts up his keyboard and finds his SD card
May 26 17:38:00 <slaine> never mind, network was probably just busy downloading rpms
May 26 17:38:43 <happyblob> is there any kind of big performance/functionality hit from installing it as an ext3 fs?
May 26 17:38:44 <koupsaa> hihihi first bug with meego and banshee. import a avi file and stop the import. meego doesn4t like
May 26 17:39:32 <koupsaa> is most a banshee bug than meego
May 26 17:40:07 <CosmoHill> http://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook
May 26 17:40:19 <CosmoHill> when using dd, why is the bytesize different for linux and mac os?
May 26 17:40:30 <koupsaa> nice panel device
May 26 17:41:25 <DawnFoster> CosmoHill: not sure. I know the bytesize is OK for Linux
May 26 17:41:37 <DawnFoster> I suspect that it isn't right for Mac, but let me confirm
May 26 17:41:39 <CosmoHill> I'm mac os using the bitsize for linux
May 26 17:41:49 <DawnFoster> did it work for you?
May 26 17:41:50 <CosmoHill> I can tell you shortly
May 26 17:41:56 <DawnFoster> cool, thanks
May 26 17:42:01 <CosmoHill> :3
May 26 17:42:12 <koupsaa> webcam is ok
May 26 17:46:02 <koupsaa> flash version LNX 10,0,45,2
May 26 17:52:11 <happyblob> has anyone installed it using the EXT3 filesystem? I cant seem to get past installation- hangs on installing bootloader. Will have a look/put it on bugzilla just wanted to see if anyone else has tried this and got past it
May 26 17:52:19 <happyblob> (tried twice now by the way)
May 26 17:53:14 <CosmoHill> ahhh why is it beeping at me
May 26 17:54:20 <CosmoHill> DawnFoster: it's sorta booted
May 26 17:54:24 <CosmoHill> but it;s stopped
May 26 17:54:48 <DawnFoster> hmm, "sorta booted" isn't good
May 26 17:55:25 <kunguz> Has anyone tried using meego with Sony vaio netbook?
May 26 17:55:59 <happyblob> cosmohill... sorta booted?
May 26 17:57:28 <CosmoHill> http://black-flag.co.uk/files/meego-4096bs-failed.jpg
May 26 17:57:51 <CosmoHill> I'[m gonna try again with a bs of 1024
May 26 17:58:11 <CosmoHill> i think the init has loaded okay
May 26 17:58:16 <CosmoHill> but it can't mount the image
May 26 17:58:18 <DawnFoster> CosmoHill, thanks I appreciate the help testing the instructions!
May 26 17:58:29 <CosmoHill> I'm just happy to contribute :D
May 26 17:59:42 <DawnFoster> I know everyone is excited about the release, but just a quick reminder that the TSG meeting is in one hour: http://wiki.meego.com/TSG_meetings
May 26 17:59:50 <CosmoHill> oh a side note, not even Philips know that they make laptops
May 26 18:00:14 <slaine> DawnFoster: I might not be online for the begining, I'll try and make it
May 26 18:00:34 <slaine> I'd like to know how to submit my Broadcom driver rpm to meego1.0
May 26 18:02:28 <CosmoHill> I did moblin as 1024 and that worked
May 26 18:04:47 <DawnFoster> slaine: that's a good question for the mailing list. Not sure how we're handling those.
May 26 18:05:09 <DawnFoster> but arjan and others should have more details.
May 26 18:06:10 <Stskeeps> i'm personally happy to see a sane 'contributor agreement' as on the TSG agenda today. that gives me a good vibe this is getting done the right way.
May 26 18:07:01 <DawnFoster> Stskeeps: we thought that if we copied the Linux kernel model, it would work for most people :)
May 26 18:07:05 <Stskeeps> yeah
May 26 18:07:25 <Stskeeps> also less bureaucracy, less barrier to entry, etc
May 26 18:08:09 <slaine> DawnFoster: cheers, fired off an email there
May 26 18:08:40 * CosmoHill has turned on the news and it's not good
May 26 18:11:12 <Stskeeps> slaine: the broadcom drivers are redistributable or?
May 26 18:12:53 <DawnFoster> slaine: if you don't get a good response on that question ping me again in a couple of days.
May 26 18:13:21 <happyblob> my installation is getting stuck using ext2 as well, same place- 'installing bootloader'.. i'm out for dinner so will sort out my own install later but MeeGo people might want to test it out, see if just my image is dodgy or the installer isn't quite right (i imagine a fair few people will try ext2/ext3 soon anyway since btrfs is experimental and apparently you cant put a bootloader on it)
May 26 18:13:55 <smurfy-phil> is it possible to recreate with the image-creator all meego packages with own compiler options?
May 26 18:14:15 <Stskeeps> smurfy-phil: image creator takes already built binary packages
May 26 18:14:39 <timeless_mbp> hey DawnFoster?
May 26 18:14:40 <timeless_mbp> http://wiki.meego.com/TSG_meetings
May 26 18:14:44 <timeless_mbp> > NOTE: No TSG meeting this week. The next TSG meeting will be on Wednesday, 26 May 2010.
May 26 18:14:48 <timeless_mbp> someone should fix that :)
May 26 18:14:54 <smurfy-phil> stskeeps: hm ok is there a "build" script to create an image from stratch?
May 26 18:14:56 <DawnFoster> You can edit the wiki ;)
May 26 18:15:00 <DawnFoster> I'll fix it
May 26 18:15:00 <Stskeeps> smurfy-phil: no, that's called OBS
May 26 18:15:01 <timeless_mbp> not easily
May 26 18:15:07 <timeless_mbp> the "log in" link takes me to the wrong page...
May 26 18:16:36 <DawnFoster> timeless_mbp: OK, i updated it
May 26 18:16:46 <DawnFoster> don't use the log in link at the top
May 26 18:16:53 <DawnFoster> you have to click log out
May 26 18:17:05 <w00t_> times like these I remember why I love SSO
May 26 18:17:08 <w00t_> (not)
May 26 18:17:20 <Stskeeps> better than no sso
May 26 18:17:20 <Stskeeps> :P
May 26 18:17:24 <DawnFoster> and then the log in again link in the text further down the page
May 26 18:17:24 <CosmoHill> it would be nice if the search worked on both too
May 26 18:17:36 <DawnFoster> yeah, we're still ironing out the bugs in SSO / search
May 26 18:17:55 <timeless_mbp> ...
May 26 18:18:02 <timeless_mbp> DawnFoster: i hit a merge conflict trying to fix it
May 26 18:18:07 <timeless_mbp> so thanks for conflicting :)
May 26 18:18:09 <CosmoHill> damn dd takes it's time :(
May 26 18:18:12 <DawnFoster> ha!
May 26 18:18:36 <DawnFoster> yeah, with the lower bs it takes forever!
May 26 18:18:39 <petteri> hello. If I install meego 1.0 on my laptap, will it be possible to upgrade to next version when it comes and does it include application manager, like for example debian/ubuntu
May 26 18:18:53 <DawnFoster> that's why I'm hoping the higher bs works, but not sure it does
May 26 18:19:02 <DawnFoster> based on your earlier test
May 26 18:19:13 <CosmoHill> i should have wrapped it in time()
May 26 18:20:15 <petteri> ah, ok. it includes updates, will the whole meego upgrade it self to next release, when it is time?
May 26 18:21:04 * CosmoHill noms his dinner
May 26 18:21:43 <slaine> Stskeeps: I believe so
May 26 18:21:48 <slaine> DawnFoster: thanks
May 26 18:21:56 <slaine> Heading home now
May 26 18:22:07 <slaine> If I get on, I'll be 30 mins into it I'd imagine
May 26 18:22:19 <slaine> Happy MeeGo day, laters
May 26 18:24:20 <CosmoHill> DawnFoster: 25 mins to copy that at 1024bs :o
May 26 18:24:38 <Stskeeps> just use bs=1M, always worked for me :P
May 26 18:24:47 <DawnFoster> stskeeps - on mac?
May 26 18:24:49 <CosmoHill> ssh you
May 26 18:24:57 <Stskeeps> well, no, not on mac
May 26 18:25:03 <DawnFoster> we know the higher bs works on Linux
May 26 18:25:21 <DawnFoster> we're validating the mac instructions :)
May 26 18:25:28 <Stskeeps> :nod:
May 26 18:25:43 <CosmoHill> bollocks
May 26 18:25:52 <CosmoHill> the issue is the same
May 26 18:25:53 <DawnFoster> mac instructions have a lower bs and we're figuring out if that's a bug in the directions or there for a reason
May 26 18:25:54 <naknomik> DawnFoster: I never used bs= on Linux, and had no problems
May 26 18:26:04 <CosmoHill> the laptop i'm running it on doesn't like it
May 26 18:26:36 <DawnFoster> again, we're validating the mac instructions, we know it works fine on linux with high bs
May 26 18:33:03 <CosmoHill> DawnFoster: i think it's just my laptop doesn't want to run meego
May 26 18:33:17 <DawnFoster> ah, well thanks for giving it a try
May 26 18:34:42 <CosmoHill> oo
May 26 18:34:51 <CosmoHill> I have command line login :)
May 26 18:36:33 <DawnFoster> cosmoHill: what more could you possibly want :)
May 26 18:36:40 <CosmoHill> hehe
May 26 18:36:50 <CosmoHill> I added a 3 to the end of the boot options
May 26 18:37:20 <CosmoHill> and now it's gone nuts
May 26 18:38:04 <Andy80> hi all
May 26 18:38:36 <CosmoHill> I might give it a go in vmware go at some point
May 26 18:38:46 <Andy80> I'm testing MeeGo 1.0 on my netbook (just the live for the moment) and I cannot find the way to change my keyboard layout.... I cannot find it in settings. How do I change the layout to Italian?
May 26 18:53:43 <lbt> DawnFoster: what's the rationale that the sign-off process is OK for the TSG (submitted 3pm on the day of the meeting) but the policy process I submitted (a week in advance) isn't?
May 26 18:54:07 <DawnFoster> lbt: the tsg picks the agenda items based on priority
May 26 18:54:19 <lbt> right.. good to know
May 26 18:54:20 <DawnFoster> with the release out, we needed to finalize contribution policy
May 26 18:54:30 <DawnFoster> and the doc licensing
May 26 18:54:36 <CosmoHill> I didn't just see the time and remember the meeting >.>
May 26 18:55:13 <DawnFoster> Reminder: TSG Meeting in 5 minutes in #meego-meeting
May 26 18:55:37 <DawnFoster> http://wiki.meego.com/TSG_meetings
May 26 18:55:39 <CosmoHill> :3
May 26 18:58:56 <CosmoHill> DawnFoster: lol
May 26 18:59:01 <DawnFoster> :)
May 26 18:59:11 <thiago_home> CosmoHill: send biscuits to me please
May 26 18:59:11 <Stskeeps> this would serve rather nicely as a tea and cookies room under meetings..
May 26 18:59:12 <Stskeeps> :P
May 26 18:59:29 <CosmoHill> at least I'm usefull for something
May 26 18:59:34 <CosmoHill> DawnFoster: intel
May 26 18:59:38 <CosmoHill> thiago: nokia
May 26 18:59:48 <CosmoHill> CosmoHill: tea and biscuits
May 26 19:00:22 <w00t_> Stskeeps: WHAT ABOUT THE DONUTS
May 26 19:00:32 <thiago_home> w00t_: only the first Friday of the month
May 26 19:00:36 <w00t_> dammit.
May 26 19:00:37 <CosmoHill> they give you sticky fingers
May 26 19:00:46 <thiago_home> yes, we get donuts every first Friday of the month
May 26 19:00:49 <CosmoHill> and you can't use a keyboard with sticky fingers
May 26 19:00:59 <w00t_> thiago_home: that's awesome!
May 26 19:01:03 <w00t_> though like, very fattening
May 26 19:01:06 <w00t_> hahaha
May 26 19:01:13 <Stskeeps> better than very skinny qt coders
May 26 19:01:15 <thiago_home> and free icecream throughout Summer
May 26 19:01:22 <thiago_home> though the freezer was empty today
May 26 19:01:25 <w00t_> oh good god
May 26 19:02:16 <CosmoHill> just checking, before you say meeting starts
May 26 19:02:23 <CosmoHill> non of my stupid things get logs?
May 26 19:02:34 * thiago_home nitpicks that the "MeeGo Computers" name isn't official yet
May 26 19:02:37 <Stskeeps> all of your stupid things are getting logged
May 26 19:02:39 <thiago_home> only after July 1st
May 26 19:02:40 <Stskeeps> don't worry
May 26 19:02:41 <Stskeeps> ;)
May 26 19:03:13 <CosmoHill> i mean I don't want the start of the meeting being on record as me offering biscuits
May 26 19:03:34 <Stskeeps> anything before #startmeeting doesn't go in the official minutes
May 26 19:03:43 <CosmoHill> even if it is a nice geustor :)
May 26 19:04:29 <Stskeeps> for those just joining to meeting, http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-05-26-19.02.log.txt is log from start of meeting
May 26 19:05:06 <thiago_home> DawnFoster: please get ibrahim to introduce himself
May 26 19:06:09 <DawnFoster> thiago_home - will do
May 26 19:11:06 <Andy80> anyone knows how to switch to ITALIAN keyboard once MeeGo live is running?
May 26 19:12:04 <odin_> yay I make it to a live TSG meeting !
May 26 19:12:37 <Stskeeps> DawnFoster: #agree would be a good thing to use :)
May 26 19:12:48 <Stskeeps> so it;s in minutes
May 26 19:12:53 <DawnFoster> I will use that once I confirm that they agree?
May 26 19:12:58 <Stskeeps> yes
May 26 19:13:36 <pinchartl> hi
May 26 19:13:49 <CosmoHill> hi
May 26 19:14:01 <CosmoHill> if you're here for the meeting it's in #meego-meeting now
May 26 19:14:09 <odin_> what is the agenda input mechanism again ?
May 26 19:14:17 <lbt> http://meego.com/about/licensing-policy http://wiki.meego.com/Licensing_Proposal  sorry for wanting clarification
May 26 19:15:08 <pinchartl> CosmoHill: I'm not, but it could be interesting. is everyone free to join ?
May 26 19:15:17 <CosmoHill> yes
May 26 19:15:36 <CosmoHill> but don't ask questions unless you're sure about them
May 26 19:15:45 <Stskeeps> for those just joining to meeting, http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-05-26-19.02.log.txt is log from start of meeting
May 26 19:18:16 <lbt> is there any mention of what licenses are allowed? "in the file"
May 26 19:18:25 <lbt> any OSI approved?
May 26 19:18:37 <thiago_home> well, if you're contributing to an existing file, it has a license
May 26 19:18:38 <Stskeeps> well, i guess it would depend on where it's contributed to?
May 26 19:18:51 <thiago_home> if you're contributing new files, common sense would dictate that it's the license that the project uses
May 26 19:19:21 <lbt> GPL2? GPL3?
May 26 19:19:22 <odin_> talking about documentation or anything ?
May 26 19:19:31 <Stskeeps> no, any contribution to meego
May 26 19:19:31 <thiago_home> lbt: depends on the file you're contributing to
May 26 19:19:47 <DawnFoster> we're talking about the contribution agreement
May 26 19:19:48 <CosmoHill> i think source code is BSD
May 26 19:19:48 <Stskeeps> it's instead of a real contributor agreement you need to fax over, or copyright assignment, etc
May 26 19:19:53 <CosmoHill> documentation is CC
May 26 19:19:58 <DawnFoster> the licensing is a different topic
May 26 19:20:00 <Stskeeps> and frankly, a good idea
May 26 19:20:02 <odin_> there must be a minimum legal requirement for any contribution
May 26 19:20:28 <odin_> as in, it needs to be owned by someone, that person/entity then needs to grant at least a minimum set of rights over the use of it
May 26 19:20:31 <thiago_home> whenever you contribute a copyrightable patch, you must give a license to your copyrighted work
May 26 19:20:33 <lbt> I guess I was thinking of new files or packages
May 26 19:20:41 <thiago_home> if you don't, no one can use your work
May 26 19:20:45 <Stskeeps> lbt: there's a policy somewhere on meego.com i think
May 26 19:20:52 <Stskeeps> or guideline
May 26 19:21:01 <odin_> the exact license is not important so long as is grants at least the minimum legal rights necessary to be an allowed contribution
May 26 19:21:05 <lbt> *nod* but this is patch-level so not so relevant
May 26 19:21:15 <DawnFoster> the terms of service has the licensing policy
May 26 19:21:22 <Stskeeps> i think it's basically a way to trace back who screwed up :)
May 26 19:21:26 <DawnFoster> http://meego.com/about/terms-service
May 26 19:21:27 <thiago_home> well, it is, since the full project is an aggregation of patches :-)
May 26 19:22:09 <Stskeeps> slaine: http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-05-26-19.02.log.txt is log from start of meeting
May 26 19:22:17 <pinchartl> technical question, if the patch needs to include an SoB line, that means some formatting rules will need to be decided upon, such as starting the patch with a commit message. is there a documentation about that somewhere ?
May 26 19:22:18 * thiago_home makes a note to get the license text pre-approved by Nokia Legal
May 26 19:22:27 <odin_> well no, there is stuff that is not on MeeGo site which is a necessary part in order to make MeeGo work on a specific hardware platform
May 26 19:22:31 <slaine> Stskeeps: perfect, thanks
May 26 19:23:01 <lbt> pinchartl: Packaging guidelines area would be sane - given the OBS/patch usage
May 26 19:24:17 <lbt> lcuk: discuss that in here?
May 26 19:24:55 <slaine> lbt, Do all package contributions have to come via an OBS account ?
May 26 19:24:56 <lbt> it's an audit trail - if we used git we'd have cryptographic confidence
May 26 19:25:03 <lbt> slaine: no
May 26 19:26:00 <pinchartl> shouldn't patches be sent inline instead of as attachments ? otherwise the patch and comment/SoB line will probably be split at some point, opening the door to human errors during commit
May 26 19:26:03 <lcuk> if im submitting potential patches
May 26 19:26:08 <lcuk> they arent signed off by anyone?
May 26 19:26:18 <lcuk> its to my email address
May 26 19:26:20 <thiago_home> pinchartl: doesn't matter, as long as there aren't any spurious line-breaks
May 26 19:26:27 <thiago_home> git send-email doesn't insert line-breaks
May 26 19:26:33 <lbt> yes lcuk
May 26 19:26:39 <thiago_home> but if you paste a patch into your MUA, it may do that. In that case, attaching is better.
May 26 19:27:13 <pinchartl> thiago_home: what I mean is that, if I send an e-mail with my SoB line inline, and a raw patch as an attachment, the two might be split, making handling of the patch more difficult
May 26 19:27:13 <lcuk> so it shouldnt be explicit on every email sent
May 26 19:27:17 <Stskeeps> either way
May 26 19:27:19 <thiago_home> SoB?
May 26 19:27:20 <lcuk> or i'd add it to my sig
May 26 19:27:22 <Stskeeps> it all ends up in a mailing list archive
May 26 19:27:27 <pinchartl> thiago_home: signed off by
May 26 19:27:28 <thiago_home> Statement of Business?
May 26 19:27:29 <thiago_home> ah
May 26 19:27:32 <Stskeeps> Signed-off-by: means you agree
May 26 19:27:44 <thiago_home> then rediff the patch with your SoB inside
May 26 19:28:10 <pinchartl> lcuk: the SoB line shouldn't be added to the signature, as signatures are often stripped (for instance when you forward or answer an e-mail)
May 26 19:28:47 <pinchartl> so the SoB line should be inside the patch itself (before the diff, if sent as an attachment), or in the e-mail body before the inline patch
May 26 19:28:54 <Stskeeps> lcuk: no, just Signed-off-by:
May 26 19:28:55 <pinchartl> git-send-email will do the later
May 26 19:29:10 <pinchartl> the former would be for manual submissions using attached patches
May 26 19:30:33 <lcuk> Stskeeps, signed off by whom?
May 26 19:30:53 <lbt> that page isn't a process - it's a bit of boilerplate
May 26 19:31:02 <Stskeeps> lbt: well, linux kernel works that way :P
May 26 19:31:17 <lbt> no, it doesn't
May 26 19:31:29 <lbt> read the page
May 26 19:31:38 <Stskeeps> go look for 'The Linux Kernel Certificate of Origin'
May 26 19:31:40 <w00t_> that page is really _really_ underdocumented
May 26 19:31:41 <lbt> it doesn't mention sending email or what text to use
May 26 19:31:43 <w00t_> that's not a proposal
May 26 19:31:44 <pinchartl> lbt: this is what a "signed" patch would look like if sent inline: http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-media/msg19542.html
May 26 19:32:02 <lbt> pinchartl: and you knew that from reading that page?
May 26 19:32:27 <pinchartl> lbt: no. I'm a long time kernel developer so I'm familiar with the process
May 26 19:32:32 <Stskeeps> admittedly, it needs more info
May 26 19:32:39 <lbt> pinchartl: I hang around there too ;)
May 26 19:32:51 <Stskeeps> but the important part is what is meant
May 26 19:32:52 <Stskeeps> :P
May 26 19:32:52 <lbt> I have no problem with a "Signed off" process... but the page doesn't explain it...
May 26 19:32:56 <w00t_> Stskeeps: that's just it
May 26 19:33:00 <w00t_> it doesn't *say* what is meant
May 26 19:33:34 <Stskeeps> lbt: think it's worth a thread and fixing it at next TSG meeting i guess
May 26 19:33:45 <pinchartl> a "patch submission howto" page is probably needed
May 26 19:36:35 <Stskeeps> actually
May 26 19:36:44 <Stskeeps> it says "This proposal is about using the signed-off-by language and process used by the Linux kernel to be able to give us a clear chain of trust for every patch received. "
May 26 19:36:48 <Stskeeps> go for reference on how it's done
May 26 19:37:33 <lcuk> how do you add signed off by into git?
May 26 19:37:48 <Stskeeps> committ messages
May 26 19:37:53 <pinchartl> lcuk: git commit -s
May 26 19:38:04 <pinchartl> or just write your SoB line manually when committing
May 26 19:38:07 <pinchartl> but -s is easier
May 26 19:38:11 <lcuk> pinchartl, sure - my commit will be dictated already by my signature
May 26 19:38:21 <lcuk> its going to duplicate info?
May 26 19:38:25 <lcuk> and muddy up commit logs/
May 26 19:38:58 <lcuk> gary.birett@collabora.co.uk commited "blah -- signed off by gary.birkett@collabora.co.uk"
May 26 19:39:18 <CosmoHill> I really need to pay attrention to the meeting
May 26 19:39:19 <pinchartl> yes, the info will be duplicated
May 26 19:39:50 <lcuk> pinchartl, and in the mailing list, my email will be signed off by myself
May 26 19:39:56 <DawnFoster> keep in mind that the kernel has used this process successfully for years. Many contributors are familiar with it
May 26 19:39:59 <pinchartl> lcuk: a patch could have several SoB lines if more than one developer contribute to it. git doesn't allow multiple authors
May 26 19:40:20 <pinchartl> lcuk: on the mailing list your e-mail might include a signature, but that won't be part of the patch
May 26 19:40:23 <Stskeeps> DawnFoster: i think it's just about that the description of process isn't linked or described within it.. the process itself is fine
May 26 19:40:27 <lcuk> but the sob lines are lost as soon as its committed to git
May 26 19:40:39 <pinchartl> lcuk: no, the SoB lines are part of the git commit message
May 26 19:41:28 <lbt> DawnFoster: read lcuk's messages here... poor chap is confused even after being helped by pinchartl and Stskeeps ... QED
May 26 19:41:49 <Stskeeps> he is bacon deprived
May 26 19:42:10 * lcuk sighs and looks wistfully at bacon
May 26 19:42:18 <slaine> hmmm, bacon
May 26 19:42:24 * lbt notes that when he submitted a proposal it had a process: http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Policy
May 26 19:42:33 <lbt> nyah
May 26 19:42:33 * slaine is nom'ing chicken casserole at the moment
May 26 19:42:36 <lcuk> pinchartl, it makes sense when discussed as multi party sob lines
May 26 19:42:54 * Stskeeps is reading 'the art of community' and is happy to put words on experiences
May 26 19:42:58 <lcuk> individually however it doesnt - i can see the point
May 26 19:43:32 <pinchartl> lcuk: as SoB lines aren't automatically added, they're a way to say "I've read the contribution policy and I agree with it"
May 26 19:44:09 <lcuk> sure i know the need, its like the terms and conditions on signup for the site itself
May 26 19:44:22 <slaine> So tempted to say, Not until you say "Ta daaaaa"
May 26 19:44:28 * slaine bites lip
May 26 19:45:34 <slaine> damn, I nearly choked on my dinner there
May 26 19:45:39 <DawnFoster> slaine: and you think we aren't paying attention ;)
May 26 19:45:51 <slaine> BIG thumbs up for that
May 26 19:46:08 <slaine> excuse me while I cough up some rice
May 26 19:50:48 * thiago_home upgrades to PR1.2
May 26 19:51:16 <tekojo> thiago_home: wrong channel, here you upgrade to 1.0
May 26 19:51:34 <pinchartl> tekojo: when there will be a feature-complete meego release for the N900 I will :-)
May 26 19:52:01 <thiago_home> btw, is the ARMv7 build done with hardfp?
May 26 19:52:03 <leinir> tekojo: Bah, thiago_home lives in the future ;)
May 26 19:52:12 <leinir> He's already way into 2011 ;)
May 26 19:52:17 <Tm_T> leinir: explains many things
May 26 19:52:21 <tekojo> leinir: I've only seen him in the past
May 26 19:52:51 * thiago_home was discussing Harmattan++ today
May 26 19:53:05 <pinchartl> thiago_home: Harmattan++ ? what's that ?
May 26 19:53:11 <lbt> it's building...
May 26 19:53:29 <thiago_home> well, MeeGo
May 26 19:53:38 <pinchartl> ah
May 26 19:53:45 <thiago_home> whatever Nokia is going to use on its devices after Harmattan
May 26 19:53:49 <pinchartl> ok :-)
May 26 19:54:09 <odin_> there is no "MeeGo community OBS" ?
May 26 19:54:10 <lbt> was I too subtle tekojo?
May 26 19:54:18 <lbt> odin_: oh yes there is...
May 26 19:54:38 <tekojo> lbt: you didn't use all caps, nice touch .)
May 26 19:54:40 <lbt> we're *so* close...
May 26 19:54:57 <X-Fade> lbt ;)
May 26 19:54:59 * odin_ was expecting a URL to appear just ^^^^ there
May 26 19:55:01 <tekojo> lbt: waiting on hardware still...
May 26 19:55:06 <slaine> Have I missed something, Imad mentioned that the drivers where discussed on the list
May 26 19:55:15 <Stskeeps> slaine: maybe in the past?
May 26 19:55:18 <slaine> it must have been an internal list
May 26 19:55:30 <slaine> the only mentions I can see are when I announced updates
May 26 19:55:30 <mlpug> are there any flashing instructions for that n900 image
May 26 19:55:35 <tekojo> slaine: in moblin times?
May 26 19:55:42 <slaine> even then
May 26 19:55:48 <lcuk> slaine in AoB ask which list perhaps?
May 26 19:55:56 <mlpug> do I just bunzip2 that raw.bz2 image and then use normal n900 flasher=
May 26 19:56:01 <mlpug> ==?
May 26 19:56:13 <slaine> perhaps, don't want to harrasing or belaboring the point though
May 26 19:56:16 <lcuk> because if its been discussed to death already it would help us to know where and what conclusions
May 26 19:56:43 <odin_> so the current OBS that is in use will stay being Nokia's own private OBS ?  and a new set of hardware and online system will become community OBS ?  so who in here are community OBS team then ?
May 26 19:57:42 <tekojo> odin_: interested? hands are needed as soon as there is hardware :)
May 26 19:57:50 <odin_> sure
May 26 19:58:11 <X-Fade> odin_: It is just a test setup now on hardware we had available for maemo.org.
May 26 19:58:19 <X-Fade> But this will be exported to the new hardware.
May 26 19:58:24 <tekojo> odin_: lbt and X-Fade have been testing things, and me and mikeshaver from Intel have been watching
May 26 19:59:02 <X-Fade> Basically it is a test case now, but it is starting to look good.
May 26 19:59:44 <Andy80> nice
May 26 19:59:54 <lbt> OK ... so we get weekly snapshots?
May 26 20:00:13 <X-Fade> lbt: Let's work towards that for now.
May 26 20:00:14 <odin_> you only get stuff out, if its been committed
May 26 20:00:18 <Andy80> there is a bug with skype video calls between N900 and OSX computers and I WON'T submit any bug report
May 26 20:00:22 <lbt> X-Fade: it's enough
May 26 20:00:36 <odin_> the question is, with the "grand unveil strategy" you don't get the commits until last minute :(
May 26 20:00:37 <Andy80> let's see if "someone" learn to pre-release testing images
May 26 20:00:41 <X-Fade> lbt: We don't have the power to rebuild on each commit anyway :)
May 26 20:00:56 <Andy80> instead of delaying a PR 1.2 because it must be stable
May 26 20:00:59 <X-Fade> *yet*
May 26 20:01:09 <Stskeeps> not a lot of #info today, but a lot of good logs
May 26 20:01:12 <lbt> no, but a lot of this is principle
May 26 20:01:30 <lbt> and sadly it feels a little like pulling teeth
May 26 20:01:31 <X-Fade> I agree with lbt. The intent needs to be expressed.
May 26 20:01:40 <slaine> damn
May 26 20:01:41 <X-Fade> And worked towards.
May 26 20:01:46 <thiago_home> Andy80: the problem is that a PR must be certified
May 26 20:02:08 <lbt> well X-Fade, tekojo it's been a while since our last meeting...
May 26 20:02:23 <lbt> should we announce another at some point?
May 26 20:02:24 <TSCHAKeee> i'm noticing a lot of repeating things
May 26 20:02:26 <TSCHAKeee> over and over again
May 26 20:02:30 <tekojo> yes, mrshaver was pushing me on that too :)
May 26 20:02:49 <TSCHAKeee> as if by some form of hard headed rote memorization that things will soak through to the subconscious
May 26 20:02:50 <TSCHAKeee> :P
May 26 20:02:53 <tekojo> lbt: sure, I'll promise to remember tomorrow morning
May 26 20:02:54 <odin_> will the build platform have the ability to build native for ARM (not qemu!)
May 26 20:02:59 <X-Fade> Can we push that to next week though? :)
May 26 20:03:06 <X-Fade> Kinda busy atm..
May 26 20:03:07 <Andy80> thiago_home: I (and lot of other people) could have submited this bug 1-2 months ago
May 26 20:03:15 <lbt> X-Fade: yes, wanted to plan in advance
May 26 20:03:18 <thiago_home> Andy80: indeed you could
May 26 20:03:26 <X-Fade> lbt: Ok, just checking.
May 26 20:03:30 <thiago_home> Andy80: but the question is whether Nokia could have given you the image back then.
May 26 20:03:32 <tekojo> X-Fade: yes, this week is a bit short
May 26 20:03:42 <X-Fade> Short and eventful.
May 26 20:03:45 <lbt> heh
May 26 20:03:54 <thiago_home> Andy80: that is, however, something we discussed today.
May 26 20:04:01 <Andy80> thiago_home: it's simply absrd that one of the main feature contains a bug simply reproducible like: 1) connect 2) let skype to go online 3) choose a skype contact 4) video call 5) ooops! it doesn't work!
May 26 20:04:02 <Andy80> -.-
May 26 20:04:08 <thiago_home> we put it as an action point to find out if we can give pre-release images to developers.
May 26 20:04:09 <X-Fade> Long days, not a lot of sleep.
May 26 20:04:48 <thiago_home> Andy80: right. Like the Qt 4.7 beta1 release, where the QtDeclarative module was missing on Mac.
May 26 20:04:54 <thiago_home> dude, oversights happen.
May 26 20:05:07 <lcuk> thiago_home, and not the leaky over the wall type.  something devs can sign up for above board types
May 26 20:05:23 <lcuk> (thinking about the leaked pr1.2RC as example of wrong way)
May 26 20:05:34 <thiago_home> no, not leaked
May 26 20:05:43 <thiago_home> access properly given
May 26 20:05:53 <Andy80> thiago_home: well... better not to talk about the Qt mess even this time... they removed QtMobility O_o
May 26 20:06:23 <thiago_home> however, the problem is liability. If the new image has a bug in the network stack and causes your phone bill to quadruple, who are you going to blame?
May 26 20:06:38 <lcuk> you, personally
May 26 20:06:51 <thiago_home> answer: the guy staring back at you when you look in the mirror.
May 26 20:07:12 <lcuk> technically since theres submissions and -testing queues and integration queues for all sorts of things
May 26 20:07:12 <tekojo> Andy80: where did Qt Mobility get removed?
May 26 20:07:27 <thiago_home> Qt Mobility was never part of the PR, so it couldn't be removed.
May 26 20:07:32 <thiago_home> it's still in extras-devel
May 26 20:07:41 <lcuk> thiago_home, the fallback should be onto the devs giving GOOD patches along with testers ENSURING the patches apply cleanly
May 26 20:07:42 <X-Fade> thiago_home: nope.
May 26 20:07:48 <X-Fade> thiago_home: It is nokia-apps now.
May 26 20:07:52 <lcuk> and followed by the integration testing also doing a thorough job
May 26 20:07:58 <lcuk> all down the line
May 26 20:08:00 <Andy80> tekojo: read the thread "Qt SDK beta, N900 PR1.2 and qt-mobility-examples" in maemo-developers@maemo.org
May 26 20:08:12 <lcuk> so by the time a weekly rolls up its releasable with fairly high confidence
May 26 20:08:18 <thiago_home> X-Fade: really?
May 26 20:08:32 <andrewfblack> Ok Atom processors are x86 right so why wont meego run fine on any x86 processor?
May 26 20:08:32 <X-Fade> thiago_home: Yes.
May 26 20:08:40 * thiago_home points out that Qt SDK is not the Nokia Qt SDK
May 26 20:08:45 <Andy80> tekojo: from repository I suppose
May 26 20:08:47 <thiago_home> Qt SDK is for desktop development
May 26 20:08:52 <Andy80> but I'll check on mine
May 26 20:08:56 <tekojo> Andy80: but the libs are in nokia-apps, available on all devices
May 26 20:09:15 <thiago_home> andrewfblack: because even though all Atom processors are x86, not all x86 processors are Atom
May 26 20:09:37 <thiago_home> andrewfblack: some of the optimisations and archtecture tunings enabled to squeeze the most out of the processor will cause SIGILL on older processors.
May 26 20:09:38 <X-Fade> http://maemo.org/packages/view/libqtm-messaging/ for instance.
May 26 20:09:55 <slaine> andrewfblack, 'cause it's compiled to do floating point math on the ssse3 registeres
May 26 20:09:55 <lcuk> lbt, in your notes about weeklies can there be some emphasis on step by step QA to try and ensure whats integrated is confirmed to fit and hence surprises will be limited
May 26 20:10:12 <Stskeeps> andrewfblack: it's comparable to ARMv4 vs ARMv7
May 26 20:10:17 <lcuk> thiago_home, all cpus are atoms, even you are made of atoms :P
May 26 20:10:18 <Andy80> tekojo: you're right, just checked (and I've extras-testing and extras-devel disabled at the moment)... so what do the ppl write on ml :\ ???
May 26 20:10:33 <thiago_home> lcuk: damn, I thought no one would catch that loophole :-)
May 26 20:10:40 <lcuk> Stskeeps, apart from the fact a lot of original x86 chips are faster than atoms
May 26 20:10:41 <tekojo> Andy80: no idea, too late for me to check, I need sleep soon
May 26 20:10:42 <lbt> lcuk: mmm that's part of the "work in the open"
May 26 20:10:48 <lbt> theoretically
May 26 20:10:59 <andrewfblack> Should have gotten a eeepc 1000h instead of my 1000hd when I got it but I wanted the bigger hard drive
May 26 20:11:03 <lcuk> sure lbt, but emphasis where required and repeating it counts
May 26 20:11:21 <lcuk> its a mantra that all members would have to do
May 26 20:11:36 <lcuk> and the better the patches and followup the better everything will be
May 26 20:11:52 <lbt> I think that I'd feel odd saying that... it's part of the maintainers roles and I have no issue with them
May 26 20:11:54 <lcuk> and less heartattacky bosses will get about releasing proper dailies :D
May 26 20:11:55 <lbt> however
May 26 20:11:57 <andyross> andrewfblack: The more political end of the answer is that Intel wants to ship MeeGo on a particular set of device, and the configuration (CFLAGS, mostly) was tuned to produce the best code on those devices specifically.  There's no reason in principle you couldn't build MeeGo for whatever architecture you want (the N900 certainly isn't an Atom!)
May 26 20:12:03 <lbt> not being able to *see* that...
May 26 20:12:09 <lbt> is a problem
May 26 20:12:23 <lbt> so Imad saying we could have weekly releases...
May 26 20:12:46 <andrewfblack> hmm this does give me an excuss to buy a new netbook
May 26 20:12:57 <lbt> although I'm tempted to submit a topic to Dawn right now for 2 weeks time saying "Where are the Weekly releases" :D
May 26 20:13:12 <w00t_> lbt: and the thing is, it'll probably turn out to be accurate
May 26 20:13:18 <w00t_> :-)
May 26 20:13:39 <lbt> yeah... but I probably already have a name for being cynical and irritating ;)
May 26 20:13:51 <lbt> like all good consciences...
May 26 20:23:59 <Clay> does anyone have md5 hashes of the two release files?
May 26 20:30:50 <prjktdtnt> is anyone else having repeated issues downloading the netbook image?
May 26 20:31:25 <prjktdtnt> I have tried to download it from both Firefox and Chrome only to have it die off between 60 and 150mb without being able to resume
May 26 20:32:12 <Stskeeps> try the one without chrome?
May 26 20:32:23 <Stskeeps> ie, the non-eula image
May 26 20:33:08 <prjktdtnt> not yet, I really wanted the one with chrome instead of chromium
May 26 20:34:07 <prjktdtnt> i'll try it though, i'm sure I can figure out how to install chrome after the fact
May 26 20:37:19 <prjktdtnt> any reason why the chrome version is having such a tough time making a complete download?
May 26 20:38:08 <arjan> prjktdtnt: yay for commercial download services
May 26 20:38:39 <prjktdtnt> arjan, ahh i see
May 26 20:39:04 <prjktdtnt> so far the chromium edition is chugging along nicely
May 26 20:39:24 <prjktdtnt> now to start trying to figure out how to swap chromium for chrome
May 26 20:39:47 <nielsvg> hello
May 26 20:39:56 <arjan> hi
May 26 20:40:03 <nielsvg> i've got a problem
May 26 20:40:44 <nielsvg> everytime i want to download meego for netbook the update failes after 60 or 100mb, is this normal or is it too busy on the server?
May 26 20:42:13 <arjan> nielsvg: try the mirror at mirror.kernel.org/meego
May 26 20:43:40 <nielsvg> where can i use this link? i'm just using firefox and DAP
May 26 20:44:32 <arjan> http://mirrors.kernel.org/meego/releases/1.0/netbook/images/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img
May 26 20:46:19 <nielsvg> thx arjan
May 26 20:46:24 <nielsvg> i'm downloading nox
May 26 20:46:25 <nielsvg> now
May 26 20:48:18 <jedix> anyone here use mic to create images for arm?
May 26 20:48:33 <jedix> I'm creating an image and the %pre/%posts fail a lot
May 26 20:48:42 <nielsvg> does it work on a hp mini 2130?
May 26 20:49:16 <jedix> I have no idea
May 26 20:49:20 <jedix> I would assume it would
May 26 20:49:25 <jedix> wait, are you talking to me?
May 26 20:49:37 <nielsvg> to everyone, thx jedix
May 26 20:49:51 <nielsvg> i'm loving the whole community thing of meego and maemo :)
May 26 20:50:25 <prjktdtnt> nielsvg, don't feel bad I've been having the same problem, luckily with the chromium version of the image it auto-resumes when it craps out
May 26 20:51:03 <nielsvg> now with dap and with the help of arjan it works and i'm on 32%
May 26 20:51:36 <arjan> we have other mirrors too
May 26 20:51:44 <arjan> so not everyone use all this one at the same time ;-)
May 26 20:51:50 <prjktdtnt> using wget myself, has had to resume at 37 and 63%
May 26 20:51:57 <nielsvg> ah its good to know
May 26 20:52:12 <nielsvg> mine didnt stop yey
May 26 20:52:14 <nielsvg> yet
May 26 20:53:03 <prjktdtnt> i wish mine would quit stopping and just go straight to the end
May 26 20:53:14 <CosmoHill> lcuk: did I tell you my result?
May 26 20:53:26 <nielsvg> hehe i also hated it with the normal download procedure
May 26 20:53:32 <prjktdtnt> if only google would allow the EULA at runtime instead of download X(
May 26 20:54:06 <nielsvg> yeah but what are we gonna do about it but just accepting it
May 26 20:54:31 <prjktdtnt> with the chromium version it doesnt matter
May 26 20:54:55 <nielsvg> and the version i'm downloading is with chrome in i guess?
May 26 20:55:13 <lcuk> CosmoHill, you are human?
May 26 20:55:17 <prjktdtnt> if you didn't click the *i agree* and then download you've got the chromium version
May 26 20:55:26 <lcuk> or did you fail the turing test again?
May 26 20:55:37 <prjktdtnt> not a huge difference but there's a few differences
May 26 20:55:37 <nielsvg> i choose the link arjan send
May 26 20:55:38 <CosmoHill> i am human, a good one afterall
May 26 20:55:38 <nielsvg> http://mirrors.kernel.org/meego/releases/1.0/netbook/images/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img
May 26 20:55:56 <nielsvg> this is another link with not much users so it works then the normal meego site
May 26 20:55:58 <prjktdtnt> nielsvg, yup, chromium, still works all the same i guess
May 26 20:56:11 <CosmoHill> lcuk: I got 68% in my assignment
May 26 20:56:51 <lcuk> :D cool beans, whats that in relation to others?
May 26 20:57:02 <CosmoHill> 2nd best score so far
May 26 20:57:10 <elgonzo> Does anyone now, if meego runs on WXGA (1366x768) Displays?
May 26 20:57:13 <CosmoHill> by 22% O.o
May 26 20:57:21 <lcuk> nice!
May 26 20:57:35 <lcuk> (i once had an exam where my teacher said if i didnt get over 85% i would be introuble - i got 94% but still didnt get in trouble cos it was amongst top in class
May 26 20:58:36 <nielsvg> 78%
May 26 20:59:52 <prjktdtnt> nielsvg, 97%
May 26 20:59:57 <nielsvg> 86
May 26 21:00:21 <prjktdtnt> guess i better find that spare thumbdrive now
May 26 21:00:33 <nielsvg> allready got it
May 26 21:02:28 <prjktdtnt> writing to the jumpdrive now, then gonna fire up the netbook and see what she does :)
May 26 21:06:46 <elgonzo> Anyone knows, if meego runs on WXGA (1366x768) Displays?
May 26 21:07:46 <mrshaver> Please report any issues with downloading the Chrome image in this channel
May 26 21:11:48 <jedix> anyone use mic-image-creator?
May 26 21:12:00 <jedix> I'm trying to create an arm image but rpm %post/%pre scriptlets are failing
May 26 21:12:39 <th0br0> did ew release 1.0?
May 26 21:12:55 <jedix> I don't know
May 26 21:12:59 <th0br0> oh i missed the meeting :((
May 26 21:13:08 <jedix> is there a newwer one in build?
May 26 21:13:52 <jedix> I'm trying use the one in http://repo.meego.com/tools/repo/openSUSE_11.2/
May 26 21:16:21 <CosmoHill> I got 87.6% in two cisco exams
May 26 21:16:38 <jedix> gj
May 26 21:19:18 <th0br0> congratulations :)
May 26 21:19:29 <niels_> problem! help!
May 26 21:19:54 <niels_> i can get in the bootmenu but whatever i choose i get the error no support for your cpu vendor
May 26 21:19:55 <th0br0> no problem! help!
May 26 21:19:56 <th0br0> ;)
May 26 21:20:02 <th0br0> what cpu do you hav
May 26 21:20:02 <niels_> hehe
May 26 21:20:04 <th0br0> *have?
May 26 21:20:21 <niels_> i dont know
May 26 21:20:27 <niels_> ive got a hp mini 2130
May 26 21:20:27 <arjan> what kind of machine is it?
May 26 21:20:51 <CosmoHill> they were the most stupid exams
May 26 21:21:01 <CosmoHill> "this is a laptop" "well done, 5 points"
May 26 21:21:08 <arjan> wonder if this is the 2130 mini with the via chip
May 26 21:21:20 <niels_> where can i check this?
May 26 21:21:23 <th0br0> no
May 26 21:21:27 <th0br0> it's got an atom i think
May 26 21:21:29 <techsoldaten> mrshaver, downloads are going to be spotty for the next 2 minutes
May 26 21:21:37 <th0br0> uh wait
May 26 21:21:47 <niels_> thx for the help allready
May 26 21:23:05 <th0br0> no i think the 2130 might have that via c7 chip
May 26 21:23:12 <syncopated> is the download working ?
May 26 21:23:22 <niels_> how can i check it which chip i have?
May 26 21:23:30 <arjan> http://mirrors.kernel.org/meego/releases/1.0/netbook/images/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img
May 26 21:23:39 <th0br0> niels_: yep, the 2133 got the via c7... seems like you're sol
May 26 21:24:01 <niels_> damn
May 26 21:24:05 <niels_> so no meego for me
May 26 21:24:52 <niels_> no meego for me?
May 26 21:25:17 <th0br0> if you got the hp mini 2133, not that i know of.
May 26 21:25:28 <jedix> is the 2133 not x86?
May 26 21:25:40 <th0br0> http://h40059.www4.hp.com/hp2133/
May 26 21:25:42 <niels_> ok so i'm screwed because i have a 2133
May 26 21:26:08 <jedix> it's a via c7-m?
May 26 21:26:12 <th0br0> seems so
May 26 21:26:33 <jedix> that's x86
May 26 21:26:38 <jedix> what image did you try?
May 26 21:27:04 <lcuk> nits x86, but not intel only x86
May 26 21:27:07 <lcuk> -n
May 26 21:27:30 <jedix> so what's the image require that it doesn't have?
May 26 21:27:39 <th0br0> sse3?
May 26 21:27:41 <lcuk> SSSE3
May 26 21:27:49 <jedix> oh, yeah.. that'd do it.
May 26 21:27:55 <lcuk> +- however many S's as required
May 26 21:27:55 <jedix> no meego for you
May 26 21:28:08 <niels_> ok
May 26 21:28:16 <jedix> other distros would work
May 26 21:28:18 <niels_> searching for a 2140 ;)
May 26 21:28:24 <odin_> but there are i386 repos, and they dont have SSE3
May 26 21:28:37 <lbt> hey mrshaver o/
May 26 21:28:41 <jedix> they shouldn't
May 26 21:28:42 <jedix> but there's no image
May 26 21:28:53 <jedix> err they should
May 26 21:29:53 <arjan> odin_: i386 repos? what does i386 mean?
May 26 21:30:17 <th0br0> x86
May 26 21:30:32 <mrshaver> lbt: yes
May 26 21:30:33 <odin_> well I presume it means no CPUID instruction (therefore no SSE) but you do get MMU and FPU :)
May 26 21:30:34 <arjan> x86 is a wide range of capabilities
May 26 21:30:37 <arjan> sometimes including ssse3
May 26 21:30:40 <jedix> intel 386, the most basic x86 instruction set that linux works on
May 26 21:31:02 <arjan> jedix: nobody ships for that since even glibc does not support that anymore
May 26 21:31:09 <lbt> mrshaver: tero agreed we need to have another pow-wow to make sure we're ready when the OBS hw arrives
May 26 21:31:32 <jedix> ah well, I have another issue.
May 26 21:31:44 <th0br0> lbt: sounds nice :) looking forward to hearing about its arrival
May 26 21:31:50 <lbt> niels and I have setup a maemo.org OBS now.... it does both fremantle and meego
May 26 21:31:57 <jedix> the mic-image-creator is crapping out making arm images due to %pre/%post scriplets failing
May 26 21:31:58 <lbt> th0br0: mmm me too
May 26 21:32:35 <lbt> th0br0: we need to make sure it's secured correctly and then we can open up the http ports and give out some beta accounts
May 26 21:32:37 <mrshaver> lbt: yes, agreed
May 26 21:32:40 <th0br0> sure
May 26 21:32:49 <th0br0> it'll still be 2 weeks at least i guess :)
May 26 21:32:49 <mrshaver> just trying to get through this release first!
May 26 21:32:51 <lbt> the pr 1.2 has delayed the maemo.org guys
May 26 21:32:56 <lbt> mrshaver: *nod*
May 26 21:33:12 <lbt> then maybe we can get some meego eyes on what we've done?
May 26 21:33:51 <pupnik_> and maybe a community-fixed sdl
May 26 21:38:54 * elgonzo Anyone knows, if meego support WXGA Displays (1366x768)?
May 26 21:40:01 <odin_> what do you mean ?  do you mean will you get a picture ?  or do you mean, will you have a fantastic user experience ?
May 26 21:41:04 <elgonzo> i mean, if the resolution will be native
May 26 21:45:25 <RussB> Hey! There's something going on on the meego server:
May 26 21:45:27 <RussB> http://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.0/meego-v1.0-netbooks-google-chrome-browser
May 26 21:45:40 <RussB> That points to download2.meego.com which is redirecting to adshandy.com
May 26 21:46:29 <RussB> And the regular download page only points to chromium.
May 26 21:46:39 <RussB> Is it a DNS mistake, or a hijacking or what's going on?
May 26 21:47:00 <prjktdtnt> anyone know if there's a way to download the b43 drivers and compile them for meego
May 26 21:47:19 <pupnik_> grr b43
May 26 21:48:28 <DawnFoster> we're looking into it now
May 26 21:49:04 <summel> RussB: i was asking that myself :D
May 26 21:49:13 <prjktdtnt> ok so b43 is currently not yet working then?
May 26 21:53:19 <DawnFoster> The download with the Chromium image should be fine.
May 26 21:55:18 <summel> yes it is
May 26 21:55:23 <summel> it just finished for me :)
May 26 21:55:33 <summel> whats the difference anyways?
May 26 21:55:44 <summel> what does chrome has what chromium is missing?
May 26 21:56:13 <techsoldaten> hey guys
May 26 21:56:41 <techsoldaten> anyone looking to download the meego chromium distro can get it here: Intel-load-balancer-618596327.us-east-1.elb.amazonaws.com
May 26 21:57:08 <techsoldaten> erani, the chrome distro ;)
May 26 21:57:12 <summel> the chromium download works ... only the chrome download soesnt
May 26 21:57:13 <summel> :)
May 26 21:57:15 <prjktdtnt> *sigh* all that trouble to download and can't really play with it, no b43 and not sure how to get a copy of it
May 26 21:57:27 <techsoldaten> summel, try getting it from Intel-load-balancer-618596327.us-east-1.elb.amazonaws.com
May 26 21:57:38 <techsoldaten> this should work, could use a guniea pig
May 26 21:57:43 <summel> but whats the difference anyways?
May 26 21:57:51 <techsoldaten> the load balancer went down
May 26 21:57:53 <syncopated> chrome download works http://intel-load-balancer-618596327.us-east-1.elb.amazonaws.com/
May 26 21:57:57 <techsoldaten> looks like that;s all it was
May 26 21:58:05 <summel> yes download works from there :)
May 26 21:58:22 <summel> but i'd still like to know what the difference bitween chrome and chromium is
May 26 21:58:58 <RussB> summel - Chromium is the code name for the Chrome browser for Linux and Mac.
May 26 21:59:10 <summel> but there is a chrome for linux & mac os
May 26 21:59:11 <summel> ...
May 26 21:59:16 <DawnFoster> here's the difference: http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/how-tos-and-troubleshooting/developer-faq
May 26 21:59:18 <techsoldaten> we are just waiting for dns to propigate to use the new load balancer
May 26 21:59:37 <RussB> Oh, woops. I was wrong.
May 26 21:59:38 <techsoldaten> I know whose fault this is, and would be happy to go deal with him if that makes anyone feel better
May 26 21:59:52 <DawnFoster> oops, wait that's the OS faq
May 26 22:00:14 <summel> DawnFoster: thats for chrome os and chromium os not chrome and chromium
May 26 22:00:18 <summel> :D
May 26 22:01:19 <RussB> Ah, ha!
May 26 22:01:20 <RussB> "The Chromium projects include Chromium and Chromium OS, the open-source projects behind the Google Chrome browser and Google Chrome OS"
May 26 22:01:47 <RussB> They're saving "Chrome" as their TMed browser name.
May 26 22:01:53 <RussB> Chromium is the project name.
May 26 22:01:55 <summel> i know that chromium is open source but that is not the only difference is it?
May 26 22:02:01 <DawnFoster> More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_%28web_browser%29#Differences_between_Chromium_and_Google_Chrome
May 26 22:02:09 <summel> thx
May 26 22:02:37 <techsoldaten> solarion, spyware
May 26 22:02:42 <techsoldaten> solarion, spyware
May 26 22:02:49 <DawnFoster> this is a better answer: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/ChromiumBrowserVsGoogleChrome
May 26 22:02:51 <summel> ok so if i want auto update for meego i want to use the chrome image? :O
May 26 22:03:08 <Nushio> i can't seem to download meego, download2.meego.com is not responding
May 26 22:03:22 <slaine> updated my blog with broadcom instructions for meego 1.0
May 26 22:03:31 <DawnFoster> slaine, great thanks
May 26 22:03:37 <slaine> http://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.0_Wifi.html
May 26 22:03:40 <DawnFoster> Nushio: we're working on it now
May 26 22:03:55 <Nushio> DawnFoster: alright :)
May 26 22:04:03 <DawnFoster> You can still download it from here: http://intel-load-balancer-618596327.us-east-1.elb.amazonaws.com/
May 26 22:04:07 <Nushio> can this be installed on a 1gb usb stick to try it out? or do i have to burn a cd?
May 26 22:04:19 <DawnFoster> you can use a USB stick
May 26 22:04:30 <Nushio> sweet
May 26 22:04:30 <RussB> Is someone going to update the website?
May 26 22:04:37 <RussB> The download links are all fscked.
May 26 22:04:37 <DawnFoster> That's what we use to test it & you can boot from the USB stick
May 26 22:04:47 <arjan> http://mirrors.kernel.org/meego/releases/1.0/netbook/images/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img
May 26 22:04:53 <DawnFoster> RussB: yes, we know. We're working on fixing it now
May 26 22:05:00 <RussB> Ok, thanks. :-)
May 26 22:05:39 <Goodjee> whats wrong with downloadserver2?
May 26 22:05:59 <Nushio> Goodjee: i dunno, but i'm guessing it got hammered
May 26 22:06:05 <Nushio> from too many trying to download at once?
May 26 22:06:07 <DawnFoster> defective load balancer
May 26 22:06:11 <DawnFoster> I think
May 26 22:06:22 <DawnFoster> They are working right now to fix it
May 26 22:06:40 <Goodjee> i don't think that thera are soo many guys wanting to download meego
May 26 22:07:07 <summel> uhm  Intel-load-balancer-618596327.us-east-1.elb.amazonaws.com << this is reeaaally sloooow
May 26 22:07:08 <Goodjee> and its down for hours
May 26 22:07:18 <summel> 68.3 kB/s
May 26 22:07:20 <pinchartl> what's the status of meego for the N900 ?
May 26 22:07:23 <DawnFoster> Goodjee: actually, the servers have been hammered all day.
May 26 22:07:30 <summel> pinchartl: no GUI but it works
May 26 22:08:02 <pinchartl> summel: does "it works" mean I can just get a serial console ? :-)
May 26 22:08:03 <Goodjee> i got a download startet about 6hours ago, bot after 80mbs it got canceled
May 26 22:08:17 <summel> pinchartl: i gues... thats what it was like with 0.1 :)
May 26 22:08:24 <Nushio> link to a torrent would be welcome :P
May 26 22:08:33 <pinchartl> :-)
May 26 22:08:35 <summel> :( is there a better dowmload server for the chrome-version?
May 26 22:09:24 <DawnFoster> I'd recommend downloading the chromium version now & upgrading to Chrome later
May 26 22:09:35 <summel> how would i do that?
May 26 22:09:40 <pinchartl> is chrome the official meego browser ?
May 26 22:10:53 <DawnFoster> summel: download the chromium version here: http://download3.meego.com/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img
May 26 22:11:03 <summel> i already have the chromium version :D
May 26 22:11:25 <DawnFoster> you should just be able to get chrome from google and install it?
May 26 22:11:34 <summel> that easy? :O
May 26 22:11:43 <DawnFoster> theoretically :)
May 26 22:11:46 <summel> :D
May 26 22:12:17 <summel> but is meego better then moblin was? :o
May 26 22:12:25 <Nushio> meego == moblin 2.2
May 26 22:12:27 <Nushio> that never was
May 26 22:12:29 <summel> oh and does the isntaller work now?
May 26 22:12:38 <summel> yes, but is it better?
May 26 22:12:38 <summel> :D
May 26 22:12:40 <Nushio> (someone slap me if i'm wrong)
May 26 22:12:40 <Jartza> in theory, awk and sed are the only applications you'll ever need :)
May 26 22:12:56 <prjktdtnt> love the meego interface, wish i could find the driver and firmware to compile against meego's kernel to run my b43 but can't even seem to find a source copy of it
May 26 22:12:57 <summel> and screen and ssh
May 26 22:12:58 <summel> :O
May 26 22:13:11 <Nushio> prjktdtnt: it doesn't support broadcom?
May 26 22:13:16 * Nushio cancels the download
May 26 22:13:26 <summel> :o buy atheros already
May 26 22:13:26 <Nushio> i seem to be hating dell more and more every day
May 26 22:13:30 <summel> xD
May 26 22:13:43 <Nushio> Summel: stuck with this broadcom until i sell my laptop, which i just got ~5 months ago
May 26 22:13:54 <summel> replace the wifi card :)
May 26 22:14:17 <Goodjee> or buy a stick
May 26 22:14:17 <summel> i have an atheros mini pci express wifi card left
May 26 22:14:33 <Nushio> hmmm, i hadn't considered replacing the wifi card...
May 26 22:14:40 <prjktdtnt> nushio: sadly not, the wired seems to have the right module but my mini 9 has the b43 card in it and no modules are compiled into the release
May 26 22:15:02 <summel> i replaced my atheros card with an atheros card that also works with mac os :)
May 26 22:15:08 <Nushio> prjktdtnt: yeah, a friend has a dell mini 9 and couldn't get it to work on fedora's moblin spin
May 26 22:15:14 <Nushio> at least, not without rpmfusion + kmod-wl
May 26 22:15:46 <prjktdtnt> Nushio i can get it to work fine with jolicloud and hexxeh images
May 26 22:15:47 <Goodjee> which social networks are supported at the moment?
May 26 22:16:15 <Goodjee> moblin only supported twitter which kinda sucked
May 26 22:16:44 <prjktdtnt> thought about trying it on my inspiron 1420 since i'm pretty sure they have drivers for this wireless card at least to play around a bit
May 26 22:17:06 <Nushio> Goodjee: 2.1 supports last.fm, twitter, myspace, digg
May 26 22:17:10 <summel> :(
May 26 22:17:11 <Nushio> not sure about meego thoug
May 26 22:17:19 <Goodjee> lastfm is nice
May 26 22:17:20 <summel> i want digg jabber and identi.ca
May 26 22:17:27 <summel> and sip
May 26 22:17:30 <Nushio> i want facebook
May 26 22:17:35 <summel> and google for email calendaer and contacts
May 26 22:17:36 <summel> :o
May 26 22:17:39 * prjktdtnt agrees with nushio
May 26 22:17:40 <Wunschkind> Hey, is there any torrent for meego (I guess that would be legal!?)? The web dl is really slow for me...
May 26 22:17:47 <Nushio> every malicious site on earth seems to have access to my facebook data
May 26 22:17:49 <Nushio> why can't my os? :P
May 26 22:17:54 <summel> lol
May 26 22:17:54 <Goodjee> why not facebook? i thought it was that popular
May 26 22:18:01 <summel> i dont like facebook
May 26 22:18:02 <summel> :O
May 26 22:18:13 <DawnFoster> keep in mind that this is a base reference build.
May 26 22:18:14 <Nushio> Summel: me neither, but my friends seem to, so I joined :-/
May 26 22:18:21 <summel> :D
May 26 22:18:21 <Goodjee> just configure it right
May 26 22:18:21 <slaine> night folks
May 26 22:18:35 <DawnFoster> companies will take it, add a bunch of cool stuff and then ship it
May 26 22:18:39 <summel> so only 6 hours uuntil the download is finished -_-
May 26 22:18:50 <summel> DawnFoster: and that sucks :(
May 26 22:18:55 <DawnFoster> it's a linux distro, so you should be able to add apps
May 26 22:19:09 <summel> "oh look what my meego can do!" "oh... i wish my meego could do that ;_;"
May 26 22:19:17 <DawnFoster> our image is big enough already without including everything :)
May 26 22:19:28 <summel> no you probably cant because its closed source and drm'ed
May 26 22:19:30 <summel> :(
May 26 22:19:38 <TSCHAKeee> nice to see the trolls are in top form.
May 26 22:19:40 <TSCHAKeee> ...
May 26 22:19:54 <DawnFoster> summel: install whatever you want on it. You have the freedom :)
May 26 22:19:56 <Nushio> Summel: what's closed sourced and drm'd?
May 26 22:20:08 <summel> Nushio: nothing atm but i guess some stuff will be -_-
May 26 22:20:11 <Nushio> (besides an ubuntu release, oh snap!)
May 26 22:20:34 <Goodjee> chrome is closed source
May 26 22:20:38 <summel> i know
May 26 22:20:44 <summel> but only parts of it
May 26 22:20:45 * TSCHAKeee shakes head.. this is where the idiotic FUD comes from.
May 26 22:20:48 <Goodjee> yay
May 26 22:20:51 <Vladimiroff> I'm just going in, so sorry if this questions has been already asked but.... does now in MeeGo 1.0 the desktop envroitment is Qt-based? Because all apps are still the gnome(gtk+) apps...
May 26 22:21:11 <summel> Vladimiroff: thats what i always hated on maemo and moblin :D
May 26 22:21:21 <Nushio> Goodjee: i bet you say that android is closed source too?
May 26 22:21:21 <summel> "oh look we have qt4 now! but we dont use it..." ---
May 26 22:21:31 <summel> Nushio: in parts it is
May 26 22:21:35 <summel> more then maemo
May 26 22:21:37 <Nushio> the gapps are closed sourced
May 26 22:21:40 <TSCHAKeee> excuse me, why would it matter what toolkit is being used?
May 26 22:21:41 <Goodjee> dunno
May 26 22:21:44 <Vladimiroff> summel: yeah! thats why I'm disappointed...
May 26 22:21:53 <Nushio> and some specific drivers are closed too (sadly)
May 26 22:21:57 <TSCHAKeee> are you a developer?
May 26 22:21:57 <Nushio> but the operative system isnt'
May 26 22:21:58 <summel> TSCHAKeee: because we are qt fanboys :PO
May 26 22:22:06 <pinchartl> Nushio: isn't the proprietary VM closed source (and undocumented) too ?
May 26 22:22:08 <Vladimiroff> is there full Qt-zation planned or they just gave us the qt libs so we could port our qt apps for it?
May 26 22:22:09 <TSCHAKeee> summel, are you a developer?
May 26 22:22:17 <summel> im trying to be :D
May 26 22:22:24 <TSCHAKeee> cute...
May 26 22:22:27 <Vladimiroff> and still...does the DE is still that Clutter thing...written with gtk+?
May 26 22:22:29 <Nushio> pinchartl: dalvik? i guess you're right, i forgot about that /insignificant/ part
May 26 22:22:29 <summel> Vladimiroff: thats how it is on maemo atm :(
May 26 22:22:36 <TSCHAKeee> Vladimiroff, what's wrong with Clutter?
May 26 22:22:45 <TSCHAKeee> Vladimiroff, it's a very capable canvas toolkit.
May 26 22:22:52 <Vladimiroff> TSCHAKeee: nothing. I've just expected Qt-based envroitment
May 26 22:22:55 <summel> clutter is not qt...t hats what wrong with it :PÜ
May 26 22:22:58 * TSCHAKeee rolls eyes
May 26 22:23:03 <summel> xD
May 26 22:23:15 <Vladimiroff> TSCHAKeee: can't say it better than summel :D
May 26 22:23:40 <summel> oh now my download finished time is gone up to 8 hours \o/
May 26 22:23:46 <Vladimiroff> like design, effects etc...I like it. but I was expecting Qt at all.
May 26 22:23:52 <Vladimiroff> Does such a thing planned at all?
May 26 22:24:04 <TSCHAKeee> Vladimiroff, too early to say.
May 26 22:24:10 <TSCHAKeee> things are just getting started
May 26 22:24:14 <summel> i thought it would be all qt from the beginning :(
May 26 22:24:33 <pinchartl> summel: the Qt code base will probably grow over time
May 26 22:24:35 <TSCHAKeee> summel, wow, you must think that the dev team are a bunch of superhuman people?
May 26 22:24:37 <Wunschkind> summel: That's why I was asking for a torrent. :S
May 26 22:24:44 <pinchartl> a full Qt environment would have taken a long time to devel
May 26 22:24:53 <pinchartl> is there a KDE version for meego ? :-)
May 26 22:24:53 <TSCHAKeee> summel, i mean, considering the project was only ANNOUNCED in February?!
May 26 22:24:56 <summel> TSCHAKeee: no, i think most developers need tpo be shot :P
May 26 22:24:58 <pinchartl> s/devel/develop/
May 26 22:25:12 <summel> TSCHAKeee: moblin is older then fevruary
May 26 22:25:21 <zaheerm> has someone got an md5sum of the meego 1.0 chromium download?
May 26 22:25:25 <summel> and meego is nearly completely moblin as far as i can tell from the screenshots
May 26 22:25:25 <summel> :D
May 26 22:25:27 <TSCHAKeee> summel, now, you're just talking to piss people off.
May 26 22:25:40 * TSCHAKeee puts the idiots on ignore.
May 26 22:25:45 <zaheerm> summel, the netbook ux is of course
May 26 22:25:47 <summel> \o/
May 26 22:26:19 <Vladimiroff> I think we gone too far in GTK+ vs. Qt thing...
May 26 22:26:23 * Vladimiroff rolls eyes...
May 26 22:27:30 <Nushio> Vladimiroff: i agree, java swing ftw!
May 26 22:27:32 * Nushio ducks
May 26 22:27:35 <summel> omg
May 26 22:27:35 <summel> :D
May 26 22:27:48 <Vladimiroff> lol
May 26 22:28:00 <Goodjee> he's an expert :D
May 26 22:28:15 <summel> 10 hours now :)
May 26 22:28:25 <pinchartl> Vladimiroff: GTK+ vs. Qt is for a big part a matter of personal preferences. I don't expect developers with 10 years of GTK+ experience to switch to Qt all of a sudden, and I don't expect the opposite either
May 26 22:28:26 <Nushio> Summel: i'll be done in 18 minutes :P
May 26 22:28:36 <summel> Nushio: with the chrome image?
May 26 22:28:42 <pinchartl> and I'm actually quite happy there's competition in the GUI toolkits space
May 26 22:28:51 <Nushio> Summel: chromium, i've always hated chrome :P
May 26 22:28:55 <Vladimiroff> pinchartl: me too. But that was the thing that Nokia and Intel were saying
May 26 22:28:59 <summel> i already have the chromium image
May 26 22:28:59 <summel> :P
May 26 22:29:10 <summel> Vladimiroff: exactly
May 26 22:29:19 <pinchartl> Vladimiroff: as I've said, I expect the Qt codebase in meego to grow slowly over time
May 26 22:29:27 <summel> also why did nokia buy trolltech when they are not using qt? :(
May 26 22:29:30 <pinchartl> Vladimiroff: especially for the handheld UI
May 26 22:29:33 <Vladimiroff> we are going to Qt. It is awesome, and it's way better than gtk+. now we are presenting you our great OS with Qt included, but...you know...gtk+ is not bad, too...we prefer to use it...
May 26 22:29:53 <pinchartl> meego is a joint project
May 26 22:29:56 <pinchartl> maemo + moblin
May 26 22:30:08 <pinchartl> maemo has its roots in the handheld markets
May 26 22:30:15 <pinchartl> and moblin in the netbook markets
May 26 22:30:18 <summel> and im sorry but imho the one moblin release there was sucked :P it was nice but it sucked...
May 26 22:30:21 <pinchartl> maemo6 will be using Qt
May 26 22:30:23 <summel> kinda hard to explain
May 26 22:30:25 <pinchartl> and moblin used GTK+
May 26 22:30:29 <summel> maemo 6 = meego
May 26 22:30:39 <pinchartl> so meego uses both toolkits
May 26 22:30:40 <Vladimiroff> pinchartl: maemo6 will be MeeGo :)
May 26 22:30:43 <Nushio> moblin 2.2 == meego
May 26 22:30:51 <summel> maemo already uses gtk and qt
May 26 22:30:56 <pinchartl> depending on which markets it will be used for
May 26 22:30:57 <Vladimiroff> pinchartl: no. meego uses only GTK+ and just has qt included, but still unused
May 26 22:31:04 <pinchartl> Vladimiroff: maemo6 will be harmattan
May 26 22:31:15 <summel> and harmattan will be meego
May 26 22:31:22 <Nushio> how's "maemo" pronounced? (/me not a native english speaker)
May 26 22:31:32 * TSCHAK looks at the sheer amount of "talking out one's ass" contained in the last 30 or so lines... wow.
May 26 22:31:44 <Vladimiroff> pinchartl: at the last Nokia conferention out here they said, that next maemo release will be Meego ;)
May 26 22:32:24 <Vladimiroff> however...I'm disappointed, crying out alone in the rain and please for full Qt-ized DE for netbooks... someone call Chuck Norris, please :D
May 26 22:32:33 <summel> TSCHAKeee: i thought you torned on your ignore switch? oO
May 26 22:32:42 <summel> Vladimiroff: ++
May 26 22:32:43 <TSCHAK> not on this box
May 26 22:34:26 <pinchart1> sorry about that
May 26 22:37:09 <Andy80> anyone knows how to change the keyboard layout in MeeGo 1.0 without changing all the system language?
May 26 22:37:24 <summel> loadkeys de
May 26 22:37:29 <summel> for german keyboard
May 26 22:37:51 <Andy80> ehm.... not difficoult, ok... but... no way to do this in Settings?
May 26 22:37:52 <Goodjee> das ist einfach :D
May 26 22:37:59 <summel> Goodjee: ja ^^
May 26 22:38:17 <summel> Andy80: hmm i dont know i left my netbook at home and had no chance to try meego yet :/
May 26 22:38:44 <Goodjee> in moblin there was an option, if i remember it correctly
May 26 22:38:51 <Andy80> summel: note, I didn't install it yet, I ran it from the live SD... does it change in any way once installed?
May 26 22:39:01 <Goodjee> nope
May 26 22:39:08 <Vladimiroff> Andy80: nope, I think. I've searched for the damn layout for more than half hour....
May 26 22:39:15 <summel> i dont think it will cachange ^^
May 26 22:39:24 <Andy80> oh :\
May 26 22:39:28 <Vladimiroff> there are just basic keyboards settings from the GNOME(damn it) settings app
May 26 22:39:42 <DawnFoster> It would be great if you could file it as a bug http://bugs.meego.com/
May 26 22:39:54 <Vladimiroff> good night. I'm going to search for Chuck Norris to fix this mess
May 26 22:40:04 <DawnFoster> there should be a way to set the keyboard without changing the language
May 26 22:40:04 <maelcum> does anybody have a working download link or a torrent for the 1.0 netbook images?
May 26 22:40:08 <Andy80> DawnFoster: I'll do it, I wanted to be sure it was a bug before submitting it
May 26 22:40:22 <DawnFoster> If no one can find it, I'd call that a bug :)
May 26 22:40:41 <Goodjee> better call it missing feature :D
May 26 22:40:42 <Andy80> I'd like to keep the language in english, because if for example I get an error, you wouldn't be happy to see the error message in Italian language :)
May 26 22:40:48 <DawnFoster> I suspect it isn't there, but if it is, it's buried so deep no one can find it
May 26 22:40:49 <maelcum> download2.meego.com is down...
May 26 22:40:51 <Nushio> does meego still launch one "zone"/workspace per app?
May 26 22:41:00 <Nushio> or can it finally display more than one application per window?
May 26 22:41:01 <DawnFoster> yes, we are having issues with the downloads
May 26 22:41:14 <Goodjee> u r not the first :D
May 26 22:41:15 <DawnFoster> I can tell you that several people are working hard to get it back up
May 26 22:41:33 <Robot101> DawnFoster: there's a mirror on meego.collabora.co.uk
May 26 22:41:55 <Robot101> (fixed now, was 403ing)
May 26 22:42:01 <Robot101> DawnFoster: can we get it linked off the website or something?
May 26 22:42:14 <Andy80> and... another question before submitting the bug (maybe another missing feature?) in Ubuntu it's pretty easy to setup a mobile connection with my N900: I just plug the USB cable, select "Pc Suite" on my phone and the connection wizard appears. I couldn't find any similar way in MeeGo. How can I do it?
May 26 22:42:15 <summel> Robot101: but also only chromium images :/
May 26 22:42:24 <Goodjee> but only chromium
May 26 22:42:38 <Robot101> summel: yeah, we can't redistribute the chrome images, magic google pixie dust etc :/
May 26 22:42:45 <DawnFoster> andy80: I'm not sure about that one - anyone from Nokia here to answer it?
May 26 22:42:56 <summel> my chrome download is now a t 15 hours ;_;
May 26 22:43:09 <maelcum> Robot101: nice, that one seems to work.
May 26 22:43:10 <Goodjee> robot101 what about torrents, impossible 2?
May 26 22:43:16 <Robot101> I use chromium on my desktop though, is it really that different?
May 26 22:43:18 <Andy80> DawnFoster: I don't think it's a N900 problem.... I think it's missing the support for mobile connections :\
May 26 22:43:33 <Robot101> Goodjee: our ISP gave us a challenge to cause them to notice
May 26 22:43:40 <DawnFoster> right, but I'm thinking maybe someone from Nokia has tried this?
May 26 22:43:40 <Robot101> lets prove him wrong ... :P
May 26 22:44:14 <summel> Robot101: i dont know if theres adifference in meego but on the desktop there is
May 26 22:44:20 <prjktdtnt> so got it running on my inspiron 1420, seems like all devices are working actually
May 26 22:44:25 <Andy80> DawnFoster: I think they're all on vacation after the PR 1.2 release :D
May 26 22:44:39 <summel> so i guess the chrome version on meego also can display h.264 or whatever and the chromium version cant?
May 26 22:45:14 <Robot101> summel: you can probably add chrome onto a chromium image later somehow, no?
May 26 22:45:25 <summel> i only use bluetooth to connect my pc over the n900 with the web :o
May 26 22:45:37 <summel> Robot101: i'm not sure but i will try later
May 26 22:45:44 <Andy80> summel: I don't have BT on my EeePC 1005PE
May 26 22:45:49 <summel> ah i see
May 26 22:46:02 <summel> i could try later but as i already said i dont have my netbook with me atm
May 26 22:46:13 <Andy80> summel: and USB cable is pretty fine for me, because I can recharge my phone a bit while using it :)
May 26 22:46:31 <summel> true
May 26 22:46:35 <Andy80> summel: which netbook do you have?
May 26 22:46:39 <th0br0> bye
May 26 22:46:44 <summel> bluetooth AND 3G is quite power consuming :D
May 26 22:46:47 <summel> samsung nc10
May 26 22:47:00 <summel> butit has been ouit of use since i got my mbp :D
May 26 22:47:22 <summel> 16 hours now ;_;
May 26 22:47:49 <SeH_>  hi does meego boot on x86?
May 26 22:47:50 <Andy80> what is mbp?
May 26 22:47:52 <Goodjee> waiting for downloads if fun ;-)
May 26 22:48:06 <summel> macbook pro
May 26 22:48:19 <summel> Goodjee: not that long... i have 10Gb/s ;_;
May 26 22:48:19 <Goodjee> which screensize?
May 26 22:48:25 <Andy80> oh... now that I remember... there are also some bugs related to Fn keys :\ I should submit them too
May 26 22:48:28 <summel> 10" or 10.1"
May 26 22:48:35 <summel> or do you mean the mbp? :D
May 26 22:48:37 <Goodjee> standleitung?
May 26 22:48:45 <Goodjee> mbp
May 26 22:48:51 <summel> kinda... i'm at the university :D
May 26 22:48:59 <summel> the mbp has 15"
May 26 22:49:01 <Goodjee> thought so
May 26 22:49:05 <summel> xD
May 26 22:49:38 <Goodjee> well, you'll never be able to use them :D
May 26 22:49:50 <summel> not from amazon appareantly xD
May 26 22:50:23 <mrshaver> We are still working out issues with our infrastructure for the MeeGo image with the Chrome browser
May 26 22:51:01 <Robot101> mrshaver: can collabora mirror the chrome images too somehow?
May 26 22:51:23 <summel> no thats a license issue
May 26 22:51:29 <summel> i guess
May 26 22:51:32 <mrshaver> Robot101: sorry, but the download has to pass through the EULA
May 26 22:52:00 <mrshaver> that is causing the issue partially
May 26 22:52:04 <Robot101> mrshaver: right, but could we host the eula too? I mean, just tell us what we need to put on our servers and we can sort it
May 26 22:52:14 <Andy80> I donwloaded the Chromium version :P
May 26 22:52:23 <Andy80> I can always install Chrome later
May 26 22:52:30 <Goodjee> u r so cool
May 26 22:52:43 <Robot101> mrshaver: alternatively, publishing some clear instructions on how to add chrome later and putting the chromium image first might help?
May 26 22:53:09 <summel> i guess i will download the chrome image tomorrow
May 26 22:53:36 <mrshaver> Robot101: thanks, good idea and I'll let you know
May 26 22:53:50 <Robot101> mrshaver: sure, let us know if we can help at all
May 26 22:54:30 <Goodjee> how can a small script like accept eula cause such huge trouble?
May 26 22:56:11 <summel> i guess you  dont get the same download link everone else gets when you accept the eula
May 26 22:56:34 <summel> so the script would then at least have to create a link to the real file for every user who accepts the eula
May 26 22:58:17 <Goodjee> a very basic solution would be redirecting everyone trying to access the file via .htaccess to an eulaacceptance page and everyone pushing the button to file.img?eulaaccepted=1
May 26 22:58:42 <summel> maybe i dont know if that is enough :)
May 26 22:58:50 <Goodjee> :D
May 26 22:58:58 <Goodjee> probaply it could be improved :D
May 26 22:59:10 <summel> i dont know how the law is in the us on these things but i guess it is pretty stupid :P
May 26 23:01:30 <RussB> Anyone get MeeGo running under VirtualBox? I can't seem to get the .img to boot...
May 26 23:01:56 <RussB> (I mounted it as a floppy)
May 26 23:02:15 <koupsaa> no mp3
May 26 23:03:09 <TenPhil> Hey, does anyone have an idea of getting meego to work in VirtualBox?
May 26 23:04:07 <Goodjee> but the eulathing could be done using modrewrite
May 26 23:05:26 <RussB> I was just asking that TenPhil...
May 26 23:05:39 <RussB> I mounted the .img as a Floppy, but it's not happy.
May 26 23:06:07 <RussB> I wonder if converting the .img into an .iso would be better?
May 26 23:06:10 <summel> mount it as cdrom
May 26 23:06:30 <RussB> Oh, I didn't know that was possible.
May 26 23:06:45 <Goodjee> i'm having an oral exam tomorrow, so i'll better go to bed. maybe the download works tomorrow.
May 26 23:08:21 <summel> nite + good luck ^^
May 26 23:08:33 <RussB> Thanks!
May 26 23:08:44 <TenPhil> btw, the mount as cdrom does not work either.
May 26 23:08:56 <summel> what error do you get?
May 26 23:09:12 <TenPhil> you get to install + the setup dialog, after that it stops. black screen
May 26 23:09:30 <summel> is it the latest vmware version?
May 26 23:09:32 <RussB> mount -t iso9660 -o loop /home/russell/Downloads/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img /media/meego/
May 26 23:09:42 <RussB> Does that look right? (I'm on Ubuntu)
May 26 23:09:42 <summel> or are you still using sun vmware? ;:D
May 26 23:10:01 <summel> you dont have to mount the image  on ubuntu mount it in the vm
May 26 23:10:11 <summel> configure your vm and add the .img as the cdrom drive
May 26 23:10:26 <RussB> Ahhhh.. :-)
May 26 23:10:31 <RussB> Let me try that.
May 26 23:11:12 <glinpus> fwiw,  I understand meego, like moblin will be less than usable in a vm
May 26 23:11:24 <summel> i guess so ^^
May 26 23:11:41 <glinpus> I did a lot of work with moblin in vm's, but you can't use the gui
May 26 23:12:00 <Andy80> DawnFoster, summel : I've got an idea... since I've only tried the "live" image I didn't see any "login" window... maybe during thr login you can change keyboard and language just like in GDM?
May 26 23:12:13 <summel> there is no login window afaik
May 26 23:12:18 <Andy80> what O_o ?
May 26 23:12:19 <summel> which sucks, yes :D
May 26 23:12:45 <summel> but hey meego will have facebook support probably, so thats nothing to worry about ;)
May 26 23:12:47 <RussB> Hey, I got it to give me the boot screen. But then it doesn't actually run.
May 26 23:12:50 <Andy80> ok... no way for me to ise that than :\
May 26 23:13:03 <summel> RussB: error message?
May 26 23:13:36 <DawnFoster> arjan: It is possible to change to an italian keyboard while leaving the language as english?
May 26 23:13:45 <Andy80> summel: belive me.... the MeeGo UI is really impressive... but all those missing are not helping me to switch from ubuntu-nbr to meego :\
May 26 23:13:57 <summel> DawnFoster: it should work with "loadkeys it"
May 26 23:14:04 <RussB> Nothing happens when I choose "Boot MeeGo" - it just stalls.
May 26 23:14:14 <summel> Andy80: i dont find it impressive :( too many features are missing imho
May 26 23:14:22 <summel> or at least were missing in moblin
May 26 23:14:49 <Andy80> summel: I mean... there are many things that I like... for example the auto-hiding top panel, the UI effects, the home layout ecc....
May 26 23:15:02 <summel> yes i feel the same way
May 26 23:15:12 <summel> it has a great potential it just doesnt feel right
May 26 23:15:12 <summel> :D
May 26 23:15:41 <RussB> This kernel requires the following features...
May 26 23:15:44 <RussB> pae
May 26 23:15:52 <summel> enable pae then :)
May 26 23:15:55 <summel> also in the vm settings
May 26 23:16:07 <RussB> :-D
May 26 23:16:30 <RussB> You're thinking, "Wasn't I going to bed?" aren't you?
May 26 23:16:51 <summel> no :P
May 26 23:16:59 <summel> im still watching heroes :)
May 26 23:17:28 <Andy80> summel: what is the place where MeeGo features are discussed? I mean.... how could I ask, for example, to include a login prompt or a keyboard layout settings ecc... ?
May 26 23:17:42 <summel> probably write a bugreport?
May 26 23:18:25 <summel> i mean it is a bug if somebody else can just use your pc and access all your files without having anything to prevent that?
May 26 23:18:28 <DawnFoster> you can start the discussions in the meego-dev mailing list for anything big that requires some discussion
May 26 23:18:34 <Andy80> yes... I can but.... how happen that someone wake up a morning and says: oh, let's remove the login feature!
May 26 23:18:35 <Andy80> O_o
May 26 23:18:36 <DawnFoster> or to check and make sure that it is a bug
May 26 23:18:43 <summel> i dont know :D
May 26 23:18:51 <DawnFoster> for obvious bugs, just file them in bugzilla
May 26 23:18:51 <summel> but moblin also had no login screen
May 26 23:19:12 <summel> i dont know if i can even change the username?
May 26 23:21:30 <RussB> Hmm... same result as TenPhil. It's booting, but doesn't get far before the screen turns black and stays that way.
May 26 23:22:34 <koupsaa> nice gadget at toolbars
May 26 23:24:14 <TenPhil> dang, going to bed now. will be back tomorrow, hopefully with some positive results. Will be posted to forums, making a request post now.
May 26 23:25:07 <RussB> Ahh, wait -the install is working.
May 26 23:25:19 <RussB> The live boot doesn't work, but I can go through the install wizard.
May 26 23:25:28 <koupsaa> first auto submit bug report :)
May 26 23:25:33 <TenPhil> yes, that should work, but the live boot does not
May 26 23:26:04 <TenPhil> but you won't get past the setupscreen on the first startup
May 26 23:27:15 <koupsaa> how to make/write gadget ?
May 26 23:32:04 <TenPhil> could it be down to lack of support for btrfs in VB?
May 26 23:32:22 <summel> no the filesystem does not matter
May 26 23:32:35 <glinpus> pretty sure it's the heavy use of gl
May 26 23:32:43 <summel> maybe you are on an amd cpu? or your virtualbox is too old?
May 26 23:33:21 <TenPhil> on intel 86_64 and VB 3.1.6
May 26 23:33:37 <summel> hmmm dunno about 64bit...
May 26 23:33:43 <summel> maybe that could be the problem?
May 26 23:33:56 <Deiz> Duplicated the issue on AMD x86-64, VB 3.2.0
May 26 23:34:26 <TenPhil> ok, anyone who can test it in a 32bit?
May 26 23:34:26 <summel> Deiz: amd should never work afaik because meego is intel only (and in this case atom only)
May 26 23:34:39 <summel> im on amd 64bit :/
May 26 23:35:53 <TenPhil> RussB: what system are you on?
May 26 23:35:55 <RussB> Okay, it installed... and then won't boot. :-)
May 26 23:36:00 <RussB> Ubuntu 10.4
May 26 23:36:12 <TenPhil> processor and vb version?
May 26 23:36:13 <RussB> Using Sun's VirtualBox
May 26 23:36:28 <summel> sun = there is a newer version
May 26 23:36:28 <TenPhil> you running 64/32?
May 26 23:36:28 <summel> :P
May 26 23:36:47 <RussB> 3.012
May 26 23:37:01 <summel> newest version is from oracle :D
May 26 23:37:08 <RussB> rather 3.0.12 r54 etct. etc.
May 26 23:37:35 <RussB> Ahhh... Do I have to give them my first unborn child? Pay tech support for every MIPS about 1,000,000 ?
May 26 23:37:48 <summel> ?
May 26 23:37:53 <RussB> Joking.
May 26 23:37:57 <RussB> Oracle == Evil.
May 26 23:38:34 <RussB> Downloading now...
May 26 23:38:46 <summel> well they own sun now :/
May 26 23:39:06 <RussB> Exactly.
May 26 23:39:10 <TenPhil> RussB: is your system 32 or 64bit? trying to see if there are any problems with 64vs32bit systems.
May 26 23:39:34 <RussB> Oh, sorry - it's 32 bit. Dual Core Sony lappy.
May 26 23:39:58 <summel> hmmm sttrange
May 26 23:40:38 <Deiz> Whoops.
May 26 23:40:42 <Deiz> Meant Intel. Need more coffee.
May 26 23:41:34 <Deiz> Going to give the CD a try on a 32-bit system
May 26 23:42:39 <TenPhil> problem posted on meego forum.
May 26 23:43:34 <Deiz> Link?
May 26 23:43:51 <TenPhil> http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=1589#post1589
May 26 23:43:53 <Votan> is there a . kernel available ? I built an X-M G2 into my netbook and want to make use of trim to keep the wear-level down ?.
May 26 23:48:34 <Votan> .34 kernel I mean
May 26 23:49:16 <RussB> She's booting... (I think, I see wallpaper)
May 26 23:49:22 <TenPhil> not enought info?
May 26 23:49:28 <TenPhil> yes that you should.
May 26 23:49:56 <TenPhil> have you gotten past the choice of keyboard and UTC?
May 26 23:49:57 <markc> dumb question, how do I manually start/stop network connections from a shell?
May 26 23:50:30 <markc> I've never used a rpm based system before
May 26 23:50:48 <hcarrega> TenPhil
May 26 23:50:50 <RussB> Yep, there now. Black screen...
May 26 23:50:56 <markc> and I've spent at least an hour rtfg
May 26 23:50:57 <hcarrega> same problem in virtualbox macpro
May 26 23:51:19 <hcarrega> cant boot
May 26 23:51:23 <hcarrega> cant install
May 26 23:51:35 <RussB> TenPhil Looks like it's hosed.
May 26 23:52:11 <RussB> Ok, gotta run to pick up my kid. Thanks for the help all!
May 26 23:53:14 <markc> anyone with a clue how to start/stop network connections from a shell in rpm/redhat/meego systems?
May 26 23:54:21 <markc> like, the equiv of "ifup wlan0" or "/etc/init.d/network start" on a debian system?
May 26 23:54:50 <glinpus> well, ifup works on plenty of systems
May 26 23:55:13 <glinpus> as well as the init method
May 26 23:55:35 <glinpus> haven't booted meego yet though, moblin used conman
May 26 23:56:20 <DawnFoster> meego uses connman, too
May 26 23:57:38 <markc> what might be the typical init method... example?
May 26 23:58:01 <TenPhil> g'night all. back tm.
May 26 23:58:04 <markc> ah, connman, with 2 nn's... I was searching for conman at one point
May 26 23:58:19 <glinpus> my bad, misspelled
May 26 23:58:52 <markc> oh ... still, what is the typcial way to start/stop services on meego?
May 27 00:01:24 <markc> I've got a /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-wlan0 file but I don't know how to reactivate the network?
May 27 00:03:11 <glinpus> ifup wlan0
May 27 00:03:21 <glinpus> is there no ifup command?
May 27 00:04:08 <bef0rd> glinpus, try /sbin/ifup
May 27 00:04:09 <markc> no, I just chrooted into meego as root and did a which ifup and nothing
May 27 00:04:35 <markc> no, /sbin/ifup
May 27 00:04:50 <maelcum> i can't get the netbook image to boot on virtualbox personal (nonfree) 3.2. does it need any special configuration? fwiw, enabling the io-apic made it go further than just the bootloader screen.
May 27 00:05:12 <bef0rd> maelcum, it requires 3D acceleration
May 27 00:05:35 <maelcum> interesting, and good that vbox can actually do that... thanks.
May 27 00:06:25 <markc> what about /sbin/sysctl ... would that be the kind of thing to re/start a network?
May 27 00:08:21 <maelcum> now i get a cursor (text mode) in the upper left corner instead of a black screen ^^
May 27 00:08:54 <Deiz> maelcum: Quite a few of us are running into that.
May 27 00:09:36 <maelcum> Deiz: thx, good to know. this is where i wait for somebody else to (find out how to) fix it.
May 27 00:20:08 <zaheerm> the bug tracker doesn't have netbook user experience....
May 27 00:21:41 <DawnFoster> zaheerm. It is there - maybe we have a permissions issue?
May 27 00:21:51 <DawnFoster> Can you get here? http://bugs.meego.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Netbook%20User%20Experience
May 27 00:22:06 <zaheerm> DawnFoster, Sorry, either the product Netbook User Experience  does not exist or you aren't authorized to enter a bug into it.
May 27 00:22:14 <zaheerm> i want to file some bugs :)
May 27 00:22:22 <DawnFoster> ah, that sounds like a bug :)
May 27 00:22:29 <zaheerm> i filed a bug with bugs about lack of it
May 27 00:22:45 <zaheerm> http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2442
May 27 00:23:16 <DawnFoster> thanks - it should be fixed shortly
May 27 00:23:20 <zaheerm> i'll hold off the bugs i want to file until that oneis solved, saves work for the triager :)
May 27 00:23:28 <DawnFoster> we're removing access control for that
May 27 00:23:42 <DawnFoster> thanks for letting us know
May 27 00:23:45 <zaheerm> np
May 27 00:23:50 <zaheerm> i should really get to sleep
May 27 00:24:27 <zaheerm> tsg is at the wrong time for me, i play football every wednesday from 8pm to 9pm british time (exact time of tsg meeting)
May 27 00:25:23 <wepabong> hi there, is there any torrent of meego release?
May 27 00:25:25 <zaheerm> installed meego 1.0 on my netbook, and am loving the ui
May 27 00:25:42 <zaheerm> wepabong, the chromium version seems fast to download and there are mirrors around also
May 27 00:26:05 <bef0rd> I don't get this, meego seems to still use clutter/gtk based ui (according to screenshots), but the recommended toolkit to develop is Qt?
May 27 00:26:33 <zaheerm> bef0rd, apps yes it is recommended to use qt
May 27 00:27:10 <zaheerm> bef0rd, the meego desktop for netbooks is written using gtk+/clutter, yes but that shouldn't stop you from writing apps with qt.. qt 4.6.2 is installed
May 27 00:27:17 <wepabong> zaheerm: yes, i am downloading now
May 27 00:29:26 <wepabong> zaheerm: is there any plan to port gtk+/clutter user interface to qt totaly or partial?
May 27 00:30:17 <zaheerm> wepabong, no idea, but it doesn't matter too much does it?
May 27 00:30:38 <lcuk> there is no point in reinventing the wheel, but if a replacement strong qt app comes along then its not a difficult choice :P
May 27 00:30:40 <zaheerm> the gtk+/clutter desktop looks and works pretty sweet
May 27 00:32:18 <wepabong> zaheerm: yes, i can see that, just a question, not alarm ^_^
May 27 00:33:09 <zaheerm> wepabong, for touch devices you will probably see different UIs for the platform, most likely based on qt
May 27 00:33:39 <bef0rd> zaheerm, I know, I actually prefer my GTK desktop, but, I don't believe in 'overloading' atom machines with two differents toolkits, also noting that current media player is mono based
May 27 00:34:24 <zaheerm> bef0rd, runs much faster than the windows 7 that was pre-installed
May 27 00:34:25 <lcuk> lol @ overloading atoms, the n900 has gtk and qt and sdl and edje and a whole host of other things :P
May 27 00:35:05 <zaheerm> lcuk, :)
May 27 00:38:08 <javispedro> and it works very well thank you.
May 27 00:38:40 <javispedro> so for future "mobile" operating systems please consider additional third-party toolkits, like
May 27 00:38:41 <javispedro> tcl.
May 27 00:38:47 <javispedro> /tk.
May 27 00:38:50 <javispedro> its been a while.
May 27 00:39:30 <wepabong> i am writting an article about meego, in spanish (but i will try to traduce), i really like this O.S
May 27 00:39:54 <javispedro> *translate.
May 27 00:40:02 <lcuk> we are installing W next: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W_Window_System
May 27 00:40:35 <Jartza> I've lost the power-adapter of my netbook and I washed my N900, any luck trying out netbook ux with virtualbox? :)
May 27 00:40:40 <lcuk> hah i just spotted Eero Tamminen made a window manager in the past :)
May 27 00:40:53 <javispedro> heh
May 27 00:41:06 <wepabong> err translate
May 27 00:42:23 <bef0rd> javispedro, hehe, do you see what I mean right? I am no gtk/qt/mono basher, but I dont believe into mixing everything is okay :P
May 27 00:42:40 <syncopated> i can download meego w/ chrome from meego.com
May 27 00:42:51 <syncopated> looks like everything is working over there
May 27 00:43:24 <lcuk> bef0rd, x11 is what underpins that choice and it happens now on your desktop bef0rd
May 27 00:43:41 <bef0rd> lcuk, I know what X11 is, thanks.
May 27 00:44:05 <lcuk> i mean the mixing
May 27 00:49:58 <Jartza> well ok, the image boots up on virtualbox, though X doesn't start :)
May 27 00:52:30 <maelcum> seme here
May 27 00:52:32 <maelcum> same
May 27 01:02:47 <mrshaver> We have sorted out the issues with the download of the MeeGo v1.0 Netbook image that includes the Chrome browser. You should now be able to download this image after accepting the EULA from http://download5.meego.com.
May 27 01:03:25 <mrshaver> Please report any issues with this download to this channel or the meego-dev@meego.com mailing list.
May 27 01:03:29 <mrshaver> Thanks!
May 27 01:07:45 <tmzt> mrshaver: what kind of integration is there between chrome and meego?
May 27 01:08:59 <mrshaver> tmzt: Chrome is just the browser if you decide to download that particular image, the other option is the Chromium browser that does not require accepting the terms of the Google EULA
May 27 01:10:50 <tmzt> mrshaver: so none of the chrome os integration is there?
May 27 01:11:48 <mrshaver> tmzt: I don't believe so
May 27 01:17:34 <SeH_> can meego run on x86?
May 27 01:19:11 <maelcum> SeH_: yes. there is a netbook image, and netbooks usually run atom cpus.
May 27 01:19:21 <SeH_> i mean how can i test it on a desktop?
May 27 01:19:25 <maelcum> intel would be kind of interested to make it work on x86 ;)
May 27 01:19:57 <maelcum> easiest with a virtual machine, but that doesn't seem to work currently. you can also boot the live cd image.
May 27 01:20:23 <SeH_> the live cd image is labeled for netbooks. if it can work on desktop x86 then it could also say that next to the download link
May 27 01:22:31 <maelcum> a pc compatible is a pc compatible, independent of form factor.
May 27 01:22:45 <SeH_> yes so the download link isnt labeled specific enough
May 27 01:22:50 <SeH_> thats all im suggesting
May 27 01:22:54 <SeH_> ill boot it thanks
May 27 01:23:06 <bef0rd> if you have a VGA with no 3D support on vanilla kernel, it probably wont work
May 27 02:22:28 <Blaher> Are there any demo videos for Mego 1.0?
May 27 02:25:37 <TSCHAKeee> make one.
May 27 02:25:43 * microlith shoves MeeGo on to his USB key
May 27 02:25:54 * TSCHAKeee now in meego...
May 27 02:26:04 <TSCHAKeee> it's usable, i'm curious as to why the kernel package is constantly crashing
May 27 02:26:07 <TSCHAKeee> i mean constantly
May 27 02:27:01 <TSCHAKeee> looks like it's bluetooth
May 27 02:27:03 <TSCHAKeee> ugh
May 27 02:27:05 <TSCHAKeee> okay
May 27 02:28:18 <berserke1> how about http://meego.com/downloads/releases/netbook look and feel release?
May 27 02:31:30 <happyblob> has anyone here had any luck manually installing MeeGo to a specific partition? It always just seems to hang on 'installing bootloader' for me :-(
May 27 02:36:59 <microlith> this is pretty slick
May 27 02:37:44 <pupnik_> wut
May 27 02:53:25 <TSCHAKeee> is upnp support not in hornsey anymore?
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