**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 03 02:59:57 2010 Jun 03 03:19:28 switchign between windows on meego could give someone motion sickness o_o Jun 03 03:30:27 pronto: lol Jun 03 03:30:44 been playing around with the live bood img Jun 03 03:31:05 ah :) Jun 03 03:31:19 can't wait for the tablet edition to come out :) Jun 03 03:31:29 nice idea, but i'm going to stick with what i have on my netbook Jun 03 03:32:27 it'l become more useful as it matures as most platforms do ;) Jun 03 03:32:32 yeah Jun 03 03:32:43 needs lots of maturing Jun 03 03:32:51 then again i'm also an arch linux user Jun 03 03:32:58 indeed xD Jun 03 03:33:49 but once this thing maturies, it'll be something i reccomnd to computer illertates Jun 03 03:33:50 meh it'll have any Jun 03 03:34:55 * b-man|laptop spent half a day getting MeeGo 1.0 running on his N900 without using R&D mode/meego kernel Jun 03 03:35:06 oh man nice Jun 03 03:35:24 im keeping maemo on my n900, i kinda bought the n900 because i like what maemo had to offer Jun 03 03:35:50 i just dual boot - so i don't touch maemo ;) Jun 03 03:35:55 or it's kernel xD Jun 03 03:35:55 stop yelling is for by work, but it may be too :d) xd Jun 03 03:36:06 oh nice Jun 03 03:36:47 b-man|laptop: did you have to reintall maemo, or did you resize maemo's partiton Jun 03 03:37:04 i did neither :) Jun 03 03:37:14 mircosd? Jun 03 03:37:20 yup :) Jun 03 03:37:28 nice Jun 03 03:37:34 how big of a mirco sd did you need? Jun 03 03:37:35 and a copy of maemo's kernel modules ;) Jun 03 03:38:09 although it requires me to re-package some of Nokia's closed components (libbmeipc, libcal, dsme, bme-rx-51) Jun 03 03:38:25 would you be awesome enough to provide this ? Jun 03 03:39:03 well, i can't exactly provide the closed components, but i could tell you how to do it :) Jun 03 03:39:26 man sure you can , i arleay have a n900 :| Jun 03 03:39:32 although the process is quite extensive Jun 03 03:39:38 well Jun 03 03:39:41 1st Jun 03 03:40:09 you need a good distro to re-package the closed stuff Jun 03 03:40:29 and you need a program called alien Jun 03 03:41:00 then you need the meego image creator Jun 03 03:41:38 and you need to get the meego-closed.ks file from tablets-dev.nokia.com Jun 03 03:41:47 but Jun 03 03:42:06 since those closed packages are armv5te Jun 03 03:42:45 you need to re package them to 'look like' armv7l packages so they are installable in meego 1.0 Jun 03 03:42:58 oh man Jun 03 03:43:00 as the packages in meego 1.0 are armv7l Jun 03 03:43:05 yeah xD Jun 03 03:43:13 quite extensive xD Jun 03 03:43:33 anyways Jun 03 03:43:57 wait for us to publish a closed repo and image matching 1.0. Jun 03 03:44:39 pronto: take Stskeeps's advice ;) Jun 03 03:44:43 lol Jun 03 03:44:48 you'll keep your sanity xD Jun 03 03:45:01 yeah the arch repos, nor aur have taht 'alien' program Jun 03 03:51:49 Rather than repackage BME and DSME wouldn't it have been easier to start them with a chroot into the Maemo rootfs? (eg. what I believe NITdroid used to do on the n8x0 tablets) Jun 03 03:52:41 sure - that would make a good temporary workaround Jun 03 03:53:26 but unfortunately it's a pain to set up (well at least it was for me) Jun 03 03:53:53 bme refused to start in a chroot in fedora12 Jun 03 03:54:16 no matter what i did Jun 03 03:55:39 the only thing keeping fedora12 alive was the watchdog package and a custom config file Jun 03 03:56:01 didn't even have charging :( Jun 03 03:58:12 running other OSs on the N8x0's were soo much easer due to the seprate initfs partition which took care of most of the critical tasks before the OS even booted xD Jun 03 03:59:02 on the N900's hardware most of the critical tasks are in the OS itself Jun 03 03:59:49 anyways, time for bed :) Jun 03 03:59:56 c ya :) Jun 03 04:26:06 hello i am very excited about meego, does anyone know if it is compatible with this laptop: Intel Core 2 Duo 6600 cpu, 4gb ram, HP laptop Jun 03 04:27:34 Blaze___: it's meant for atom based netbooks, but if the CPU has SSSE3 instructions and an Intel GPU in it, go for it. Jun 03 04:27:58 if not, be prepared to do your own work to make it work Jun 03 04:28:28 ok ill try it... i really like it... is there a way to donate to meego? Jun 03 04:42:29 :D somehow I doubt MeeGo needs donations Jun 03 04:44:23 ok thanks...i'm so excited for this product, Termana are you using meego on a netbook? Jun 03 04:45:39 You might consider individual linux foundation membership or something like that - that could be a way to show your support for LF and MeeGo Jun 03 04:45:47 I'm not using MeeGo on a netbook Jun 03 05:32:35 REMINDER: N900 hardware adaptation team meeting in 30 minutes in #meego-meeting, agenda at http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Meetings Jun 03 05:34:53 Stskeeps: its okay if i just idle in there so i can see whats going on? Jun 03 05:34:57 or are you a bot? Jun 03 05:35:25 yes, idling is allowed or even on topic participation Jun 03 05:36:12 yeah i don't know much about meego, but i do own an n900 Jun 03 05:36:18 and no, not a bot, but i would be first in line to upload myself into an AI ;) Jun 03 05:36:27 haha, nice Jun 03 05:37:19 some channel i was in once had a semi smart bot, and i was out of it, ...and talk to the damn thing for about a half our before someone told me what i was doign >.< Jun 03 05:37:41 haha Jun 03 05:37:49 Hello Jun 03 05:38:13 has anyone here been able to sign on to aim with empathy? Jun 03 05:38:43 though one thing meego needs is skype (didnt see it on the netbook img i play with today) Jun 03 05:38:56 pronto: there is guide how to install it Jun 03 05:39:00 ah okay Jun 03 05:39:05 i'll look into it later Jun 03 05:39:10 http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=2412&postcount=9 Jun 03 05:39:17 erm Jun 03 05:39:22 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=355 Jun 03 05:39:58 well yeah, seems like you just download the .rpm and install Jun 03 05:39:59 lol Jun 03 05:40:07 lol Jun 03 05:40:27 can't you just do sudo rpm -i skype.rpm? Jun 03 05:40:46 might not be in repo's Jun 03 05:40:57 oo i dont think i've used a rpm basied distro Jun 03 05:41:21 yea you can download the rpm from skype's website Jun 03 05:41:54 man chaning windows is going to give me motion sickness xD Jun 03 05:42:07 haha Jun 03 05:42:26 and for what ever reason its not loggin me into lastfm xD Jun 03 05:42:27 can anyone very that aim works for them on meego? cause i can't sign on at all and it seems that the devs aren't acknowledging this... saying that i typed my credentials incorrectly Jun 03 05:42:36 foureight84: sure give me a second Jun 03 05:42:44 well i cant log into fecesbook chat Jun 03 05:42:48 dunno whats wrong with that Jun 03 05:43:14 it says "Offline -- No Network Connection" right? Jun 03 05:43:26 and it tries to reconnect over and over and stops after a few ties Jun 03 05:43:29 tries? Jun 03 05:43:29 seems like it connected Jun 03 05:43:31 yeah Jun 03 05:43:32 no one online Jun 03 05:43:38 but i not sure if i have any buddies on aim Jun 03 05:43:39 lol Jun 03 05:43:40 mine doesn't connect all Jun 03 05:43:51 it just says "Offline - No Network Connection" Jun 03 05:43:54 my aim is pronto185 Jun 03 05:43:55 and tries to reconnect Jun 03 05:44:10 but when i put in the wrong credentials it only tries to connect once Jun 03 05:44:35 i'll add you in a second pronto Jun 03 05:44:41 kk Jun 03 05:45:23 wait it says off line Jun 03 05:45:24 xD Jun 03 05:45:29 yea Jun 03 05:45:29 see Jun 03 05:45:50 can someone back me up on this bug then? http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2000#add_comment Jun 03 05:46:07 yeah i get the same with aim Jun 03 05:46:23 they closed the bug as resolved and it's a dupe of another unrelated bug.. seems like no one is trying to reproduce with aim Jun 03 05:46:50 they're all trying it on msn or soemthing else and everyone just talks about people entering the wrong credential Jun 03 05:47:01 heh Jun 03 05:47:29 if you install pidgin like i mentioned in the bug you can't sign on to aim either Jun 03 05:47:40 sudo yum install pidgin Jun 03 05:48:08 does it make any diffentece this is off a usb drive? Jun 03 05:48:36 na it doesn't Jun 03 05:48:39 it never does Jun 03 05:48:54 if you rub ubuntu off of a live cd, if you have internet aim works fine Jun 03 05:49:04 well installing things Jun 03 05:49:09 oh Jun 03 05:49:14 i dont normmaluy use live boots like this Jun 03 05:49:27 does it save state? Jun 03 05:49:35 like your twitter, and browsing history Jun 03 05:49:40 i don't know if it writes to the usb image Jun 03 05:49:47 not sure Jun 03 05:49:50 mine is installed to my harddrive Jun 03 05:49:51 havent rebooted it yet Jun 03 05:49:56 oh Jun 03 05:50:04 yeah i have arch linux on the hdd, and honestly i pefer arch over meego Jun 03 05:50:11 but its fun to play with new things Jun 03 05:50:31 well pidgin is in stalled Jun 03 05:50:56 just run pidgin from terminal Jun 03 05:51:03 ah Jun 03 05:51:06 not on the app menu Jun 03 05:51:09 it appears as communicator in the menu Jun 03 05:51:25 messenger is empathy Jun 03 05:52:00 pidgin appears as internet communicator Jun 03 05:52:13 but either way pidgin won't connect either for me Jun 03 05:52:35 hrm Jun 03 05:52:40 i'm really thinking that there's a bug with telepathy-haze which handles aim connection for both empathy and pidgin Jun 03 05:53:08 got it on Jun 03 05:53:12 whats wrong is ssl Jun 03 05:53:21 oh yea you turned off ssl right? Jun 03 05:53:25 with pidgin under advanced yiou disable ssl and it'll connect Jun 03 05:53:26 empathy doesn't have that feature Jun 03 05:53:31 with it on , it wont connect Jun 03 05:53:33 okay yea i've seen that bug Jun 03 05:53:41 but on my arch desktop, pidgin connnects to aim with ssl Jun 03 05:53:52 so there might be an ssl lib that meego is missing Jun 03 05:54:17 yea Jun 03 05:54:29 which is also affecting empathy Jun 03 05:55:09 yeah Jun 03 05:55:26 REMINDER: N900 hardware adaptation team meeting in 5 minutes in #meego-meeting, agenda at http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Meetings Jun 03 05:55:45 lol in 5min its 2am here Jun 03 05:56:11 http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=92091 Jun 03 05:56:22 and 0900 here, which is fine Jun 03 05:56:55 dont you just love arch people, they have the answer to it all xD Jun 03 05:57:31 hehe Jun 03 05:57:37 i saw the bug on ubuntu too Jun 03 05:57:48 hence why my three computers now all run arch xD Jun 03 05:58:59 gonna see if the usb boot will save info Jun 03 05:59:03 yea no offense to anyone here or the devs, but whoever is handling the bugs really need to consider the poster's comment more. rather than dismiss them of inputting the wrong credentials... Jun 03 05:59:30 i do like how fast thins thing boots though Jun 03 05:59:33 i mean woah Jun 03 05:59:38 yea it is fast Jun 03 05:59:43 and it's minimal too Jun 03 06:00:02 lol damn, it dont save data Jun 03 06:01:59 that was a fast reboot Jun 03 06:02:15 meegoo is fast lol Jun 03 06:03:13 i wonder how fast this thing be on my main desktop xD Jun 03 06:10:39 i'm going to build empathy from source to see if it works Jun 03 06:18:46 foureight84: on a netbook? Jun 03 06:20:30 haha na i'm running on a core 2 duo Jun 03 06:20:39 oh haha Jun 03 06:21:05 i was playing with meego on my netbook, (booted into arch now on it now though) Jun 03 06:21:29 i think i'll build telepathy-haze from source too Jun 03 06:21:38 i'm determined to fix this i like this os Jun 03 06:22:00 yeah it is a rather intersting os Jun 03 06:22:24 but i'm more of a command line junkie then anything , i like mininmal UI's that dont give you motion sickness xD Jun 03 06:29:25 alright i'm out Jun 03 06:29:34 have a good one pronto. nice chatting with you Jun 03 06:29:41 llaters Jun 03 06:29:47 x.x Jun 03 07:00:04 who can tell me the different from QT to Harmattan? Jun 03 07:00:44 your question doesn't really make sense Jun 03 07:00:48 Harmattan contains Qt Jun 03 07:00:59 it's like comparing apes to mammals =) Jun 03 07:01:38 like hildon with gtk? Jun 03 07:02:08 like fremantle to gtk Jun 03 07:02:38 like Cocoa to Mac OS X Jun 03 07:02:45 like .NET to Windows Jun 03 07:03:10 you first said Mac! Jun 03 07:03:10 woohoo, progress Jun 03 07:03:30 963 dogenx.sh Jun 03 07:03:30 839 Jun 03 07:04:02 when that second number reaches the first number, i'll be able to put up an xref for meego :) Jun 03 07:04:13 at this rate, it might be done by the weekend Jun 03 07:04:25 xref? Jun 03 07:04:59 cross-reference Jun 03 07:05:08 like http://mxr.moego.org/meego/source/qt/ Jun 03 07:05:19 i means Harmattan UI Framework, not meego/maemo6... Jun 03 07:05:24 (which is based on Hg) Jun 03 07:05:27 pxchen_: that's MeeGoTouch Jun 03 07:05:32 but built by using the repository .rpm's Jun 03 07:05:38 pxchen_: it's just a library on top of Qt Jun 03 07:05:45 that is like hildon to gtk Jun 03 07:05:50 but also like kdelibs to Qt Jun 03 07:21:22 Does anybody here have experience in installing ATI graphics drivers on Meego? I am having problems...... Jun 03 07:32:17 thiago_home, MeegoTouch use Harmattan UI Framework? Jun 03 07:32:33 lbt: Bug 2644 Submitted Jun 03 07:32:52 pxchen: MeegoTouch *is* the Harmattan UI Framework Jun 03 07:37:11 pxchen, no. it's a _harmattan ui framework_ Jun 03 07:42:50 Otto is a small meegotouch applications? it based on meegotouch? Jun 03 08:08:19 which repo should we use? we foucs on meegotouch/handset UX Jun 03 08:11:01 * timeless_mbp wonders why sx0n wrote 'a' and whether that was intentionally in contradiction to 'the' Jun 03 08:15:30 Hi all Jun 03 08:16:15 I have tried to install meego on a KVM but always had a blank screen after the install: does anyone have some clue about what's happening? Jun 03 08:18:50 pxchen, i think that timeless_mbp wants to answer you question. Jun 03 08:18:56 your Jun 03 08:19:29 sx0n: i'm not sure i do :) Jun 03 08:19:55 timeless_mbp, why not? Jun 03 08:20:54 well, afaiu, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/ has the repositories Jun 03 08:21:05 and iirc the handset ux hasn't reached 1.0 Jun 03 08:21:27 s/iirc/iiuc/ Jun 03 08:21:27 timeless_mbp meant: and iiuc the handset ux hasn't reached 1.0 Jun 03 08:22:29 what open source browser is preferred for meego atm? Jun 03 08:22:49 telnet! Jun 03 08:23:10 For the arm image it is ;) Jun 03 08:23:16 chromium Jun 03 08:23:17 the internet could be all BBSes for all i care timeless_mbp :) Jun 03 08:23:20 ty Jun 03 08:23:33 I use 0.9.80.3.20100518.1 repo now. Jun 03 08:24:28 Should I use 1.0 repo? I think it just some basic libs, such as qt,glib and so on Jun 03 08:36:21 pxchen: so are you going to build meegotouch from git? Jun 03 08:37:02 timeless_mbp: yes Jun 03 08:37:29 * timeless_mbp ponders Jun 03 08:37:31 * timeless_mbp shrugs Jun 03 08:37:40 wow, meegotouch! Jun 03 08:37:53 the problem is that i'm pretty sure that most people who build meegotouch don't actually use any of those repos as their baseline Jun 03 08:38:07 generally, i'd pick the newest available baseline just because Jun 03 08:38:19 but that advice is definitely not tailored to your case Jun 03 08:57:16 Anyone else have problems installing from the armv7l repos with zypper ? Jun 03 09:02:16 morning all Jun 03 09:03:35 is C++ for now the only language for meego development? Jun 03 09:04:17 I would assume all languages that are supported by Qt would go Jun 03 09:04:31 Qt is the API Jun 03 09:04:49 * Tm_T hasn't tried all those fancy perl bindings Jun 03 09:04:54 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qt_%28framework%29#Bindings Jun 03 09:05:00 wot he said Jun 03 09:07:34 at least pyside should be quite well supported: http://www.themacaque.com/?p=215 Jun 03 09:08:59 i mean, some support for packaging apps etc. Jun 03 09:09:06 pyside is pyqt-ng? Jun 03 09:13:27 gour: effectively yes, although the original reason for starting the project was mostly political - from what I've heard, nokia simply refused to tie developers' hands with the license of pyqt, and started pyside to provide something with less restrictions Jun 03 09:15:38 ehi guy, anyone use google contacts in evolution? Jun 03 09:16:13 i have problem with it. i have an error to access to it Jun 03 09:16:36 and, plus, i i have duplicated address book named "Google" Jun 03 09:18:20 Bostik: yeah...anyway, i'm thinking about qthaskell Jun 03 09:19:24 haskell, always haskell... I've tried to have a look but apparenly am just too stupid to understand, let alone learn it Jun 03 09:19:48 * slaine is quiet happy to stick with C Jun 03 09:19:53 Bostik: i haven't learn it as well, but it is nice language Jun 03 09:22:58 in any case, one is not limited like with android in choosing the language Jun 03 09:23:04 hey, does someone here have a meego build environment and time to test something for me? Jun 03 09:24:01 timeless_mbp: i've sdk in chroot...time? it depends how long it takes Jun 03 09:24:27 gour: so, there's a package 'post-build-checks' Jun 03 09:25:21 eww Jun 03 09:25:30 and? Jun 03 09:25:42 well, the question is "can one delete the "patches" symlink Jun 03 09:25:49 ?" Jun 03 09:26:06 there's a line in the spec file that says: Jun 03 09:26:07 %patch0 -p1 Jun 03 09:26:44 but it has nothing after it… before %build Jun 03 09:27:17 where one can find that package? Jun 03 09:27:17 so basically, can you delete the patches symlink, and build the package, and is it possible to repackage the srpm w/o that symlink Jun 03 09:28:28 i'm not quite familiar with rpm/yum using archlinux (and gentoo before that) Jun 03 09:28:33 hrm, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/preview/core/repos/source/post-build-checks-1.0-75.1.src.rpm Jun 03 09:28:48 * timeless_mbp wonders if that's the same as the one here Jun 03 09:29:13 it should be similar, the one i have is .2 Jun 03 09:29:20 * timeless_mbp wonders where it came from Jun 03 09:31:18 * timeless_mbp grumbles Jun 03 09:32:04 lbt: halp? Jun 03 09:32:38 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/daily/core/repos/source/post-build-checks-1.0-75.2.src.rpm Jun 03 09:32:41 google to my rescue! Jun 03 09:32:56 timeless_mbp: sorry, no meego sdk on my AMD desktop... Jun 03 09:33:23 lbt: yeah, no problem Jun 03 09:33:46 i just couldn't find the file, it seems someone is magically moving things around in the repo Jun 03 09:33:51 but google knows! Jun 03 09:35:51 hello Jun 03 09:36:55 hi! are EMGD drivers available? Jun 03 09:38:33 have some troubles during installation on my eee 1005pe - SQUASHFS error: sb_bread failed reading block Jun 03 09:38:58 after grub menu Jun 03 09:39:39 oles: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/172937 ? Jun 03 09:40:10 exactly Jun 03 09:42:13 so, do you have bad ram? Jun 03 09:42:47 maby its corrupted image Jun 03 09:43:01 windows works fine Jun 03 09:43:24 http://imgur.com/w0wVk.jpg Note: It's the SDK, not the NetBook image. But guess I can start with testing out things on my main machine now, wich is nice Jun 03 09:44:15 really... whats application is used in meego to configure web accounts like twitter? Jun 03 09:47:03 lucazade. kernel ones are, userspace ones not yet but this turned up http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2205 Jun 03 09:47:13 hrm, what are those two icons to the left of the main three at the top right in your virtualbox? Jun 03 09:47:23 * timeless_mbp uses vbox on osx and hasn't used it on w7 Jun 03 09:47:27 xorg-x11-drv-emgd Jun 03 09:48:55 timeless_mbp, left one makes the window span over both screens while the right one makes the window pop over to the other screen Jun 03 09:49:21 Vortiago: interesting, are they standard w7 features? or is this a vbox thing? Jun 03 09:49:31 It's from UltraMon Jun 03 09:49:35 vgrade1 thanks for info Jun 03 09:49:38 i'm pretty sure i hadn't seen them on a colleague's w7 laptop w/ second display Jun 03 09:49:46 cool. thanks, sorry for the OT question Jun 03 09:49:52 That's alright :) Jun 03 09:50:18 * timeless_mbp is impressed that it looks "just right" in w7 Jun 03 09:50:30 * timeless_mbp is used to nokia apps which look terrible everywhere :) Jun 03 09:50:48 lucazade, been in touch with the intel dev but he can't tell me where or when these will be available Jun 03 09:51:00 http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/w7/map%20loader%20maps%20never%20used%20eh.png :) Jun 03 09:52:14 I cant get the repo at meego.com to work with zypper, anyone know it this is a general problem ? Jun 03 09:52:29 vgrade1: at least there is a hope for the gma500 chipset Jun 03 09:52:48 Trollkarlen: i heard there were plans to switch away from zypper at least for a little while Jun 03 09:55:12 Anyone managed to log into last.fm from My Web Accounts in meego? Do you get some sort of feedback there if the login in successful? Jun 03 10:00:59 timeless_mbp: Oki, but the repo dont have to change or am i misstaken ? Jun 03 10:01:26 i don't understand how the repos are working Jun 03 10:01:53 and i'd be kinda surprised if your problem relates to the reasons they chose to switch away Jun 03 10:17:38 Does anybody have the name of a good .rpm repository I could point my MeeGo box to? Jun 03 10:23:11 hi. Jun 03 10:24:21 any body had idea of which version of chrome is used in the latest release of meego for netbook .i cant find the chrome code in the netbook source tree? Jun 03 10:51:32 macron: what's wrong with the ones that's there ? Jun 03 10:53:13 mahesh: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/core/repos/ia32/packages/i586/chromium-5.0.395.0-3.2.i586.rpm Jun 03 10:59:46 timeless: Do you know who to talk with about this ? Jun 03 11:20:10 hi, I'm trying to run the simulator but all I get is a black window. I'm getting some errors in the terminal, such as "(mutter:13210): mutter-CRITICAL **: Unable to initialize Clutter". Any hint? Jun 03 11:23:59 simulator? Jun 03 11:34:46 hello everybody Jun 03 11:35:12 I hava a question about wpa-enterprise Jun 03 11:35:25 is it possible configure it? Jun 03 11:47:50 slluis, do you mean KVM or something like that? Jun 03 11:49:49 cbosdonnat: I'm trying this: http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux Jun 03 11:50:20 And it stops at 'startmeego &'? Jun 03 11:52:31 slluis, hey, it's interesting me: I could make it work on KVM for testing and wasn't aware of that Jun 03 11:53:09 Vortiago: all it does is show the Xephyr window with a black background Jun 03 11:53:55 Strange Jun 03 11:56:48 Vortiago: this is all output I get: http://pastebin.com/mGEDrxm8 Jun 03 11:59:06 Seems like a problem with opengl Jun 03 12:01:20 What distro are you using? Jun 03 12:03:46 OpenSuse 11.2 Jun 03 12:13:34 isn't it kinda funny that puppy linux easyilly supports the dell mini 12 and meego doesn't! Jun 03 12:14:25 Yoshi47, did it give you a laugh? Jun 03 12:14:36 heffer, yes Jun 03 12:14:39 puppy rocks Jun 03 12:16:04 I fail to see teh funnay Jun 03 12:16:07 Yoshi47 new drivers are coming, matter of time Jun 03 12:16:15 really? Jun 03 12:16:18 yes Jun 03 12:16:21 sweet Jun 03 12:16:46 ready for 1.1 release or not? Jun 03 12:16:46 http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2205 Jun 03 12:17:27 slaine: you know that C++ assignment I did Jun 03 12:17:36 should be ready for 1.1.. will see Jun 03 12:18:05 intel said IVI support for this June Jun 03 12:18:07 CosmoHill: cool Jun 03 12:18:18 slaine: someone's been caught cheating: http://www.project4hire.com/freelance_job_8598.html Jun 03 12:18:29 can i get md5 checksum for the meego-netbook image on the site? Jun 03 12:18:35 oles: yes Jun 03 12:18:47 add .md5 to the end of the download file i think Jun 03 12:18:58 oh no Jun 03 12:19:06 replace .img with .md5sum Jun 03 12:19:30 lucazade, thanks for the update, thats what i was looking for! Jun 03 12:19:51 :) Jun 03 12:22:19 there is no direct lint on the site Jun 03 12:22:24 link Jun 03 12:28:08 slluis, Vortiago I'm getting exactly the same log here too Jun 03 12:30:02 CosmoHill: that was your assignment ? Jun 03 12:30:09 yep Jun 03 12:30:14 and kim1989 was on the course ? Jun 03 12:30:24 yep Jun 03 12:30:28 tsk tsk Jun 03 12:30:33 it's a word for word copy of our assignment Jun 03 12:30:44 and the file at the bottom is the one we downloaded from uni Jun 03 12:31:02 Hm, I also get that error in my log (About clutter), but the UI still starts up Jun 03 12:31:04 she got 30% Jun 03 12:31:19 Vortiago, hum... Jun 03 12:31:40 Vortiago, is there something worth checking for a clean bug report? Jun 03 12:31:46 And I'm running it in Xubuntu, in a virtual machine... on windows :D Jun 03 12:31:58 Vortiago, hehe :) Jun 03 12:32:26 mmeeks, do you have any idea? Jun 03 12:45:23 shame you can't use XZ with multiple cores Jun 03 12:45:42 XZ? Jun 03 12:45:48 replaced lmza Jun 03 12:46:11 it's a compression program Jun 03 12:46:20 I guess lzma doesn't multicore either? Jun 03 12:46:30 don;t think so Jun 03 12:46:56 I'm using a 2.66Ghz i7 based xeon and it will take about 15 mins to compress something Jun 03 12:47:25 heh Jun 03 12:47:38 last time I used xz it took 19 hours :) Jun 03 12:47:48 I downloaded large files to my friend's server and then from there to mine Jun 03 12:47:55 so if anything goes wrong I can use rysnc Jun 03 12:48:35 at the moment I'm compressing the meego sdk so that it's smaller to download Jun 03 12:50:57 "| Multithreaded compression and decompression are not implemented yet, so this option has no effect for now. " damn Jun 03 12:52:57 * TSCHAKeee2 goes to look at the various project pages in meego.gitorious.org for git clone url's... Jun 03 12:54:11 if after all of this compression it's the same size as the bzip2 file I downloaded I'll be annoyed Jun 03 13:02:06 Afternoon chaps or morning depending on where you are. Any of you had any joy running samba on meego yet.Tried it with moblin and got nowhere.Any help appreciated Jun 03 13:03:08 isn't it installed by default? Jun 03 13:03:46 atleast I got my windows shares working without any troubles. Jun 03 13:04:32 hmm when I try to connect to mine I get an error message Jun 03 13:05:09 is it just me or does chromium keep locking up for other people ? Jun 03 13:05:31 slaine: more than 3 tabs open? Jun 03 13:05:48 in file browser I click on network. I can see a windows network.click on that get a workgroup and then get Unable to mount location with a failed to retrive a share list Jun 03 13:06:44 @Slaine Chromium has been very crashy..wondered if it was the same in the non free chrome? Jun 03 13:07:44 spide Should I be trying to open with another programme Jun 03 13:08:48 I works for me via file browser. Jun 03 13:11:06 spide hmm do yo think it is because they are ubuntu files on my ubuntu pc ie ext4 system Jun 03 13:11:46 samba shouldn't be affected by the file system Jun 03 13:12:13 I had to install the samba suite ..not sure if I did it correctly either Jun 03 13:13:03 I'll see if i can install and mount a samba connection on meego CLI if you'd like Jun 03 13:13:28 cheers mate Jun 03 13:23:28 andybleaden: installed and mounted my server share Jun 03 13:24:17 how did you do it? Jun 03 13:24:37 zypper install samba-client Jun 03 13:24:48 mount.cifs //server/share /mount/point Jun 03 13:24:54 both as root Jun 03 13:25:51 ok thanks will give it a go Jun 03 13:26:07 cbosdonnat: no idea - beyond the cpuinfo grief - you need a new CPU, and a VM that can cope with that I guess. Jun 03 13:27:52 mmeeks, even the chrooted SDK doesn't work... and it seems that there are some Clutter initialization problems Jun 03 13:33:25 CosmoHill: Hmm If my smb share is smb://andy-desktop/ is that right? Jun 03 13:37:03 spricht hier jemand deutsch? Jun 03 13:37:45 i have a problem with ICQ integrating Jun 03 13:39:03 hello? Jun 03 13:40:00 hey Jun 03 13:40:10 tommitomato: Yes there is a problem with both AIM and ICQ which is on the forums at meego.com Jun 03 13:40:26 CosmoHill: Not getting this right mate Jun 03 13:40:35 I have installed samba Jun 03 13:41:14 I can see on the network a windows network and then a workgroup but can go no further Jun 03 13:41:29 ok, is there a answer for ICQ? Jun 03 13:41:52 tommitomato: not yet it seems.mine is not working Jun 03 13:42:12 damn Jun 03 13:42:21 thanks Jun 03 13:43:53 andybleaden: if you know the ip and share on the server you can mount it from the command line Jun 03 13:44:08 it might not be what you wanted but it will allow you to connect to the mount Jun 03 13:44:29 are we able to boot the meego live image on a Core 2 Duo? Jun 03 13:45:06 CosmoHill: This is where I am stuck.my share is on smb://andy-desktop is that what I insert ie mount.cifssmb://andy-desktop ? Jun 03 13:45:56 i'm trying to boot the image with qemu, and i see the boot menu of choice, then i choose "Boot Meego", then nothing happens Jun 03 13:47:00 mount.cifs //andy-desktop/share Jun 03 13:47:07 the share might be Users Jun 03 13:47:09 I'm not sure Jun 03 13:47:42 centoslinux: yes you can boot on a core 2 Jun 03 13:49:30 CosmoHill: buy unable to boot with qemu-kvm on Fedora12 64-bits Jun 03 13:49:47 CosmoHill: nope that comes back with mount.cifs//andy-desktop/share Jun 03 13:49:59 CosmoHill: command not found Jun 03 13:50:16 CosmoHill: with share as user Jun 03 13:50:19 ie andy Jun 03 13:50:53 cbosdonnat: there is another idea that adding 'nomodeset' to the kernel parameters might help ;-) Jun 03 13:50:56 * mmeeks has no idea. Jun 03 13:51:48 andybleaden: you misses a space Jun 03 13:52:03 mount.cifs SPACE //server/share Jun 03 13:53:49 nope it keeps coming back with the help creen Jun 03 13:53:52 screen Jun 03 13:54:00 this is really messin with my head Jun 03 13:54:31 with ubuntu it just appears in the network folder of what ever shares I have in with which ever pc i use Jun 03 13:54:45 mmeeks, I'll try this idea as well Jun 03 13:55:39 hi all! Jun 03 13:56:14 click on and it appears. what I cannot understand at all is that the windows network is visible , the workgroup is visible but nothing inside it is Jun 03 13:56:29 I have a little problem with the meego simulator because when I start it (debug and no-debug mode) the only things that I see is a dark window Jun 03 13:56:32 I have manually restart the smb client Jun 03 13:57:07 but if I start any application on the Xephyr display it shows up as espected Jun 03 13:57:15 but I can't see the meego interface Jun 03 14:00:39 crap Jun 03 14:00:44 I typed "rm" instead of "vim" Jun 03 14:01:25 haha Jun 03 14:02:08 been there Jun 03 14:02:17 thankfully I have a backup of that file Jun 03 14:02:21 CosmoHill: apt-get install sl Jun 03 14:02:25 :P Jun 03 14:02:25 I was giving a maemo-Qt course today and something went wrong in scratchbox-installation Jun 03 14:02:41 I was a bit sleepy and without thinking I typed rm -rm /scratchbox Jun 03 14:02:53 ow Jun 03 14:02:57 ow ow ow Jun 03 14:03:08 one of those days... Jun 03 14:03:17 it still irks me that scratchbox does some _REALLY_ nasty filesystem tricks Jun 03 14:03:26 and about 2 seconds after pressing enter I woke up and first thought was about "FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU...." Jun 03 14:03:45 that was heard all the way to Pluto... Jun 03 14:03:57 yeah Jun 03 14:04:14 luckily we have pxeboot with nice reinstall-scripts in the classroom Jun 03 14:04:43 so I told people "OK, coffee break" and started reinstall :) Jun 03 14:05:23 anyhow, I don't know what was I thinking :) Jun 03 14:05:25 one time I was working on two debain servers via ssh Jun 03 14:05:36 I was upgrading both the kernels with custom ones Jun 03 14:05:39 I clearly am dumb and can't use the wiki Jun 03 14:05:45 so I removed the kernels from both Jun 03 14:05:56 Whats the link for creating an image via MIC ? Jun 03 14:05:56 installed the new custom kernel on one to see if it would work Jun 03 14:06:01 then rebooted the wrong server Jun 03 14:06:40 hehe Jun 03 14:06:58 luckily my server has been working fine Jun 03 14:07:28 it's in a deep cave with hard-to-get physical access Jun 03 14:08:57 I used a ubuntu livecd and copied the kernel and init from the livecd to the server Jun 03 14:09:04 rebooted my debain server with the ubuntu kernel Jun 03 14:09:11 and installed the update i had made Jun 03 14:10:03 * Jartza crosses fingers Jun 03 14:10:13 17:10:13 up 654 days, 18:55, 14 users, load average: 0.02, 0.04, 0.05 Jun 03 14:12:07 anyone booted meego image with qemu? Jun 03 14:12:33 Stskeeps: got that wiki url for building images with mic ? Jun 03 14:13:46 found it Jun 03 14:13:58 http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation Jun 03 14:14:18 http://pastebin.cross-lfs.org/6916 Jun 03 14:15:43 Jartza: ooo congrats Jun 03 14:15:52 my personal best is 376 days Jun 03 14:17:22 well, I'm just hoping and wishing this machine still goes on for some time, as getting physically to machine is quite challenging atm :) Jun 03 14:17:25 Any body else struggling with ubuntu samba sharing.. really not working this Jun 03 14:23:42 well I have no clue so someone can have a look at that pastebin and get back to me Jun 03 14:24:49 CosmoHill: cheer for the help mate.really struggling though as I understand little about mount shares.always happened automatically for me Jun 03 14:25:06 I can't mount my mac laptop from redhat Jun 03 14:25:12 but I can mount my linux server Jun 03 14:26:57 hmm a little weird.has anybody else got there ubuntu shares mounted here? Jun 03 14:34:53 this looks very interested: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/427 Jun 03 14:42:35 CosmoHill: how will then intel make money with meego? Jun 03 14:42:57 sell netbooks without MS tax Jun 03 14:43:07 by having vendors sell intel based netbooks Jun 03 14:43:30 I looked at DEll Jun 03 14:43:54 two identical laptops cost the same even tho one was running ubuntu Jun 03 14:43:57 i'm looking at dell as well Jun 03 14:44:19 here all come pre-installed with m$ crap Jun 03 14:45:08 i think if you boot the laptop then don't accept the MS terms and conditions Jun 03 14:45:20 you can get your money refunded for the windows OS Jun 03 14:47:12 CosmoHill: that would be nice, although i'm not sure who will refund money here Jun 03 14:47:19 dell Jun 03 14:47:25 i think Jun 03 14:47:35 i may ask prior to buying Jun 03 14:47:51 i have windows 7 pro for free so I'm okay :) Jun 03 14:48:14 i've never touched neither vista nor 7 Jun 03 14:51:02 the dell thing was a little weird I got a dell desktop with ubuntu preinstalled Jun 03 14:51:45 was going to get a netbook but in the uk the netbook was still coming with ubuntu 8.04...mind you I could/would have wiped it and put on moblin Jun 03 14:52:46 an you're from england Jun 03 14:52:48 what part? Jun 03 14:54:18 yes I live near glossop in the north west in the peak district Jun 03 14:54:21 You? Jun 03 14:54:25 Essex Jun 03 14:54:31 east of london Jun 03 14:54:41 I come from bristol though Jun 03 14:54:49 ooo Jun 03 14:54:58 o ar you mean :) Jun 03 14:55:39 so you running meego now as your main netbook system or are you a developer Jun 03 14:56:57 none of the above? Jun 03 14:57:24 you got one of them fancy dancy other devices then? Jun 03 14:57:29 with meego on Jun 03 14:57:32 nope Jun 03 14:58:08 I'm used to command line linux Jun 03 14:58:10 I was determined to give it a go as I really like moblin and get fidgety with distros Jun 03 14:58:12 ah Jun 03 14:58:20 helpful then Jun 03 14:58:20 so I'd like to learn more about GUIS and stuff Jun 03 14:58:37 I am okish with after 4+ years experience of being windows free Jun 03 14:58:45 but struggle with harder things Jun 03 14:59:12 hmm what stops you using it as a system then? Jun 03 14:59:17 nvidia Jun 03 14:59:27 ah Jun 03 14:59:34 graphic card issues Jun 03 14:59:38 ? Jun 03 14:59:44 very much so Jun 03 15:00:07 I had that with Kubuntu but get around it ...have ati radeon which when I tinkered went blank! :) Jun 03 15:01:00 so I have a desktop (dell as above ) with ATI graphics running free drivers ...they are ok...not fancy but I do not do games really Jun 03 15:01:30 and a netbook which changes ...erm weekly at the mo! to build up my skills Jun 03 15:01:57 my ever day computer is a 2005 powerbook with os x 10.4 Jun 03 15:02:11 hence trying moblin after kubuntu then ubuntu netbook then moblin etc etc interchanged for weeks Jun 03 15:02:30 have not used macs since ...lc macs Jun 03 15:02:38 about 10+ years Jun 03 15:03:02 it is because of them I got tired quickly of windows Jun 03 15:03:15 I have windows on my desktop and other laptop Jun 03 15:03:19 they're pretty much used for work Jun 03 15:05:20 did the usual ..get rid of IE with firefox, then thunderbird, then open office then ...got rid of windows and used Ubuntu with a friend helping then went on my own..not looked back...except when they crash :) and they did but My older ubuntu pc had a hardware prob so had to borrow a windows pc..could not use it for much at all so bought a new ubuntu pc Jun 03 15:05:45 have to use windows at work..except when I can run ubuntu/moblin etc from a pen drive or cd Jun 03 15:05:49 still faster Jun 03 15:06:46 I have linux on my server (LFS) and a windows 2008 server that I use for MSSQL2008 Jun 03 15:07:12 so now I get a few snags ..less so and with meego even fewer than before...save this damn file share samba thing...really naffs me off Jun 03 15:08:14 well since I got a spare old work laptop I wanted to use the desktop as a type of server I guess with all the music etc on and dip in and out with the netbook/laptop Jun 03 15:13:01 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODMxNw Jun 03 15:28:04 CosmoHill: quiet why people equate MeeGo/Moblin2 with support for GMA500 is beyond me, when it's clearly stated to not be supported Jun 03 15:28:31 the situation is pharisaical though. Jun 03 15:28:41 anyway, catch you all tomorrow Jun 03 15:30:07 the problem re: gma500 is intel's name is on it Jun 03 15:31:48 it was outsourced to another company i think Jun 03 15:32:33 http://www.advogato.org/person/mjg59/diary.html?start=250 Jun 03 15:32:43 hey X-Fade Jun 03 15:33:01 Hi Jun 03 15:33:19 X-Fade: it's IEGD, or, its new name emgd Jun 03 15:33:42 Stskeeps: Or 2 other variants it seems ;) Jun 03 15:33:59 one is mrst stuff i think, one is poulsbo Jun 03 15:34:20 meego kernel has a total of 3 SGX drivers, i believe ;) Jun 03 15:34:39 Isn't that great.. Jun 03 15:35:06 <3 powervr Jun 03 15:36:15 very funny: from openpandora forums "The Device Customer" http://www.fullsack.com/images/rocky0B.jpg Jun 03 15:40:33 Hello. Anyone know nick of Ross Burton on IRC? i need to talk with him. Sencond one question is anyone know what app is used on meego to configure for example twitter accounts? Jun 03 15:44:54 note to self: always bind mount /dev while working with meego in a chroot environment - meego's /dev/stdin, /dev/stderr, and /dev/stdout won't work because they are broken symlinks in a chroot env Jun 03 15:45:18 hey arjan Jun 03 15:48:03 DawnFoster: ping Jun 03 15:48:09 ping Jun 03 15:48:20 no, you respond with "pong" :-) Jun 03 15:48:26 lol Jun 03 15:48:31 or pingback :) Jun 03 15:48:41 pingbacks are too advanced for me Jun 03 15:48:55 anyway, now there's a post in the meego category in the labs blogs Jun 03 15:49:01 do you have the feed URL? Jun 03 15:49:06 kkszysiu: for the second, it's called bisho and plugs into control centre http://git.moblin.org/cgit.cgi/bisho/ Jun 03 15:49:20 yes, let me add it. Jun 03 15:49:21 kkszysiu: for the first, I think he's on holiday Jun 03 15:50:04 kkszysiu: and he often hides behind the hard to recall alias "ross" Jun 03 15:50:41 Thiago: done - added :) Jun 03 15:51:25 thanks Jun 03 15:52:39 the blog is in now 4 different planets Jun 03 15:57:23 http://pastebin.com/ddfbGXCx Jun 03 15:57:44 someone could tell me why the simulator won't work into the chroot? Jun 03 16:09:49 rex: http://pastebin.cross-lfs.org/6916 Jun 03 16:09:52 looks identical to mine Jun 03 16:09:58 what graphics card do you have? Jun 03 16:10:06 CosmoHill: maybe I find an answer on the mailing list Jun 03 16:10:30 intersting, meego isnt going to use ext3/4 o= Jun 03 16:10:38 I'm trying to run the simulator on a core 2 duo and nvidia card so running the simulator on Xephyr isn't supported Jun 03 16:10:54 it would be nice if it supported ext4 just so we can access other partitions Jun 03 16:10:58 rex: same Jun 03 16:11:11 I end up with a black box on my screen] Jun 03 16:11:29 CosmoHill: so the only solution is run the simulator, start qtcreator on it and then deploy the app on a real meego device Jun 03 16:11:34 if you have one of course Jun 03 16:11:59 do you have access to something with SSSE3 (Core2) with an ATI graphics card? Jun 03 16:12:14 no, only nvidia Jun 03 16:12:37 I read on the forum that someone had it working on ati Jun 03 16:12:47 rex: what driver do you have? Jun 03 16:12:52 nouveau or nvidia? Jun 03 16:12:56 nvidia Jun 03 16:13:07 same Jun 03 16:13:12 I installed it last night Jun 03 16:31:22 huh CosmoHill? the simulator fails with nvidia? why's that? Jun 03 16:31:31 no idea Jun 03 16:31:41 something about clutter not being able to start Jun 03 16:32:05 funny Jun 03 16:32:31 copy in nvidia libgl and dependencies? Jun 03 17:11:22 for the german users here: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Suse-MeeGo-Novell-arbeitet-an-neuem-Linux-fuer-Netbooks-1013602.html Jun 03 17:11:32 hammerzeit Jun 03 17:22:37 how can i make bootable usb from .imf file under linux? dd if=image.img of=/dev/sdX ? Jun 03 17:23:09 oles: yes, or you can use the image writer script Jun 03 17:25:14 i have this error when i boot it after grub https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SquashfsErrors Jun 03 17:25:55 i tryed different usb ports and usb stics and just tested my ram - its ok Jun 03 17:26:26 on my eee 1005 pe Jun 03 17:45:50 anyone seen a film called ""? Jun 03 17:45:58 *The Sky Crawlers Jun 03 17:46:22 i have seen film called " " Jun 03 17:46:23 :p Jun 03 17:46:32 CoderForLife: aware of it, not seen it Jun 03 17:46:37 err Jun 03 17:46:40 CosmoHill Jun 03 17:49:59 how can i fix this error? Jun 03 17:50:03 plz help Jun 03 17:58:27 CosmoHill: Is there any plans to impl it to use multicore. Jun 03 17:58:59 I wouldn't know the answer to that Jun 03 17:59:20 CosmoHill: I was talking about XZ Utils if that was unclear. Jun 03 17:59:26 oh Jun 03 17:59:46 I thinkt here are plans to because there are flags in place to enable mulitple core / threads Jun 03 18:02:32 I just found a forum post that it was prio 1 after the 5.0 rel Jun 03 18:03:21 So it sound like its comming. Jun 03 18:42:47 DawnFoster: wearing flameproof underwear I hope..? Jun 03 18:42:49 :) Jun 03 18:43:18 woot_ Assume you're referring to my latest meego-dev post about forums vs. mailing lists? Jun 03 18:43:21 0yup Jun 03 18:43:23 -0 Jun 03 18:43:35 It's a religious war definitely. Jun 03 18:44:14 well, i hope i stayed nicely moderate at least :P Jun 03 18:44:41 I appreciate it. Jun 03 18:45:06 definitely agree that we need to pick one, and I don't think that forums have been very effective for the community discussions. Jun 03 18:45:21 it feels like we don't have all of the right people parrticipating Jun 03 18:45:44 i really got confused there for a while.. i don't know how, i just didn't know the move had happened, so i certainly missed out on a lot of discussion Jun 03 18:45:53 * CosmoHill reads what w00t_ said and blinks Jun 03 18:47:08 I think that's happened with a lot of people, and the forums have been hard for a lot of people to keep up with Jun 03 18:47:57 even when they know about the change Jun 03 18:48:04 yeah, I must admit, I kind of agree in that I'm not so sure how well they scale as the number of discussions increase Jun 03 18:48:24 I don't mind them, but I do find it harder to filter the noise out from the things that interest me on a forum Jun 03 18:48:56 our forums are a little better for Q&A, but I like mailing lists better for discussions Jun 03 18:49:04 yup Jun 03 18:49:11 and the community stuff is mostly discussion Jun 03 18:49:46 it's certainly a good idea to bring it up IMO, wait and see what the rest of the responses look like Jun 03 19:22:32 DawnFoster: don't projects either overcommunity or undercommunity generally? Jun 03 19:23:08 tmzt: I don't really understand your question Jun 03 19:23:14 looking at something like xda-developers.com is very organic, then you have things like codeaurora.org that don't enable the kind of community building they claim to Jun 03 19:23:21 in the sense of forums vs. mailing lists Jun 03 19:23:35 they attract different elements of the community Jun 03 19:24:15 right now, the developers really prefer the mailing lists and don't want to participate in forums Jun 03 19:24:31 users generally don't quite grok mailing lists Jun 03 19:24:42 so the user / developer split makes sense to me Jun 03 19:25:04 yup, as devs typically can't stand users, and users don't understand devs... Jun 03 19:25:05 right, but if you look at xda there's some development on there Jun 03 19:25:07 community office discussions are somewhere in between - so always a gray area Jun 03 19:25:09 damn, did I say that out loud? Jun 03 19:25:16 ;) Jun 03 19:25:23 there's also community forums around Nokia tablets aren't there, not sponsored by maemo or nokia? Jun 03 19:25:33 TSCHAKeee2: brutal, but so true :) Jun 03 19:27:07 tmzt: there are always unofficial forums, but we're talking mostly about the official project channels, too Jun 03 19:27:29 right, that's what I mean by 'overcommunity' Jun 03 19:27:35 one preformed, prefab, add water type thing Jun 03 19:27:52 that never gets the organic inhabitants it requires to function Jun 03 19:28:06 communities have to be grown...therein lies the rub Jun 03 19:28:55 because there are so many odds against communities growing in the first place... Jun 03 19:29:05 I forgot that today was the meeting day, so, here's a quick question: How can I participate in MeeGo (at least, the handheld version) translations on my language -Turkish- ? Jun 03 19:29:42 I can't find *.po files on transifex btw :/ Jun 03 19:30:03 LinuxMCE has a very difficult problem. In order to participate in any LinuxMCE code development, you HAVE to be a polymath. Jun 03 19:30:19 it requires a person with multiple intersecting skill sets..not usually found in the wild. Jun 03 19:30:25 Aranel: are you on the localization mailing list Jun 03 19:30:42 so our community, is small, in spite of our huge code base...which really needs the help. Jun 03 19:31:37 DawnFoster: yes, but I don't follow it frequently Jun 03 19:32:04 that's the best place for translation questions Jun 03 19:32:28 they are in the process of transitioning to Transifex, but I don't think everything has been moved there yet Jun 03 19:33:05 so Turkish translations might have been started, but not moved to Transifex Jun 03 19:33:12 DawnFoster: there's no translation file available on transifex right now in fact. Moving from where? Jun 03 19:33:13 I'm just not sure either way Jun 03 19:33:52 Aranel, the 'old' location is: http://translate.moblin.org/ Jun 03 19:34:16 thanks Vortiago and DawnFoster :) Jun 03 19:39:07 ha! Jun 03 19:39:16 iphone is on watchdog Jun 03 21:49:45 hi there Jun 03 21:52:24 hello from here Jun 03 21:56:47 moi ... seems quiet today Jun 03 22:00:52 it's european night time Jun 03 22:29:24 nite all, sweet dreams Jun 03 22:30:43 timeless_mbp: ping Jun 03 22:30:56 pong Jun 03 22:31:00 * timeless_mbp should not be awake Jun 03 22:31:15 you were setting up a cross reference type thing for meego, yes? Jun 03 22:31:28 mxr.moego.org, yes Jun 03 22:31:37 you looking for something in particular? Jun 03 22:31:43 what tool(s) have you used/do you recommend to set things like that up? Jun 03 22:32:03 what are you actually trying to do Jun 03 22:32:21 * CosmoHill darts timeless_mbp Jun 03 22:32:22 i have a meeting scheduled for sometime today to talk about who will run the harmattan mxr Jun 03 22:32:46 I want to experiment with plugging a bunch of versions of Qt into one, see how plausible it is, how long it will take to set up, etc Jun 03 22:33:02 mxr.maemo.org/qt iirc exists Jun 03 22:33:03 someone suggested it, and it seems like a sensible enough idea Jun 03 22:33:33 mxrs come in two flavors: VCS based and repo based Jun 03 22:33:43 vcs based are a lot easier to deal w/ Jun 03 22:33:48 VCS is what i'd be after Jun 03 22:33:57 git, obviously Jun 03 22:34:01 actually Jun 03 22:34:10 i'd highly suggest you clone my Hg Qt instead Jun 03 22:34:50 any particular reason? Jun 03 22:34:55 http://mxr.moego.org/meego/source/qt/configure Jun 03 22:34:58 (I already have a bunch of git checkouts, so...) Jun 03 22:35:03 click "bonsai hg blame" Jun 03 22:35:24 be a little patient, the system is currently loaded because of a stupid process which i'm currently trying to rework Jun 03 22:35:31 * w00t_ clicks Jun 03 22:35:49 mxr is hg.mozilla.org/webtools/mxr you just clone it Jun 03 22:36:01 there's an INSTALL file which should walk you through things Jun 03 22:36:17 you'll need to get glimpse, and whichever vcs tool you're using Jun 03 22:36:33 but the advantage of Hg is that i have bonsai support for it Jun 03 22:36:49 which means that (when it works), you can see pretty blame for things Jun 03 22:36:51 still waiting for it to load Jun 03 22:36:54 blame just loaded here Jun 03 22:36:57 and i clicked before you Jun 03 22:37:34 I don't think I want to do that though, purely because my hard disk already has like 10 clones of Qt :) Jun 03 22:37:52 ok :) Jun 03 22:38:17 anyway, did bonsai load? Jun 03 22:38:42 nope Jun 03 22:38:44 stillll waiting Jun 03 22:38:54 ok Jun 03 22:39:01 anyway, bonsai integration is optional Jun 03 22:39:12 you can set up integration w/ whatever you have Jun 03 22:39:58 generally, i'd suggest you setup individual roots for each version of something like Qt Jun 03 22:40:03 yeah Jun 03 22:40:07 then you can use tree switching Jun 03 22:40:14 as long as paths are fixed Jun 03 22:40:51 I'll have a look at it tomorrow I think, too late now Jun 03 22:40:58 will read up on it though Jun 03 22:41:02 thanks for the pointers Jun 03 22:42:23 ok, poke me sunday or monday and i should be able to help you out Jun 03 22:42:33 cool, i'll take you up on that :) Jun 03 22:42:52 in the interim, mxr.maemo.org/qt/ has one version Jun 03 22:43:02 and mxr.moego.org/meego/source/qt/ has another Jun 03 22:43:13 so there are at least 2 Qt's under xref Jun 03 22:43:13 (i presume moego.org is yours?) Jun 03 22:43:27 for some definition of "mine" Jun 03 22:43:33 hehe Jun 03 22:43:42 i don't own/administrate boxes Jun 03 22:43:51 but yes, i'm the one who's poking them Jun 03 22:43:53 lucky Jun 03 22:44:01 I need to find a sysadmin slave sometime Jun 03 22:44:11 I'm supposed to have one but he's rather passive, he only slaves when I poke him to do so Jun 03 22:44:15 each box is donated by a different person/org Jun 03 22:44:43 ah, donation is a bit different, i *really* wish i could get that set up :P Jun 03 22:44:54 moego is ec2 iirc. maemo is dh. konigsberg is mozilla.org(nl) Jun 03 22:45:23 anyway, you'd better bed if you have a meeting tomorrow Jun 03 22:45:42 else you'll be bored to death *and* tired Jun 03 23:36:47 cyas Jun 04 02:29:47 Is there any info about the handset UI? tks **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jun 04 02:59:57 2010