**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 04 02:59:57 2010 Jun 04 04:22:39 Hello everyone Jun 04 04:22:52 i tried Meego on EEEPC and it's awesome Jun 04 04:23:39 i booted live image from USB flash disk, is there a way that i can permanently store meego on my netbook so that it boots from there and i don't need to use the usb stuff? Jun 04 05:36:06 hello everyone, is it possible to get the meego image in non-ntfs version Jun 04 05:36:08 ? Jun 04 05:36:16 i was trying to test it on an OLPC XO Jun 04 05:43:06 ntfs? Jun 04 05:55:44 morning Jun 04 06:03:12 morning Jun 04 06:25:09 I did find out the problem with zypper http://lists.opensuse.org/zypp-devel/2010-05/msg00026.html, http://lists.opensuse.org/zypp-devel/2010-05/msg00029.html :( Jun 04 06:54:32 is there an irssi with builtin identd cheater? Jun 04 07:16:38 morning andre__ Jun 04 07:16:57 heja tekojo! Jun 04 08:09:15 hiiiiii Jun 04 08:23:14 Hello Jun 04 08:55:45 who knows contentsearchif.h had installed by which one Package? Jun 04 09:25:38 hey nokia, next innovation Jun 04 09:25:40 battery swap without reboot Jun 04 10:04:52 interesting meessage in regard to working meego ui in VM says: "It is acutally beacause of the xorg-xserver. Rebuilt it or use moblin's xorg server. Meego will works well!" Jun 04 10:05:15 i may try later... Jun 04 10:33:46 gour, any progress with vbox? Jun 04 10:53:05 Hi Jun 04 10:53:34 I try to run Meego live image with qemu, but it just hangs after the initial menu Jun 04 11:00:27 sx0n: well, last steps described at http://wiki.meego.com/Talk:MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox Jun 04 11:00:30 i have successfully booted meego from a flashdrive. now I am trying to install it to my harddrive. i have an empty spot that is almost 10gb. however when i create this into a partition for meego, i get the error "bootable partitions can not be btrfs filesystem". anybody have any suggestions? Jun 04 11:01:17 slithytove2006: afaik, /boot cannot be on btrfs Jun 04 11:01:54 gour, i think that it is just that moblin-dm crashes and it tries to respawn it. forever Jun 04 11:01:56 at present, my computer boots into ubuntu. i want meego to be on a new partition. can i not boot to the same ubuntu as before, and just hav emeego on the boot list? Jun 04 11:02:24 sx0n: it would be worth to try to rebuild xorg server Jun 04 11:02:36 gour, yep, or build meegotouch. Jun 04 11:02:45 maybe on weekend. Jun 04 11:02:51 sx0n: is it ready? Jun 04 11:03:08 no, but i think i could try building it. Jun 04 11:03:28 ahh..ok Jun 04 11:05:07 or maybe there is rpm packages somewhere Jun 04 11:05:50 Is there any meego phone besides N900? or anytime soon? Jun 04 11:06:44 gour, i don't know but if meegotouch uses only qt, it might not really need x Jun 04 11:10:31 is there an application on the live image that would allow me to make changes to my partitions? Jun 04 11:13:03 hi all , i just downloaded the meego sdk and get it worked on my fedora 13 , but when i chrooted into meego and try to startmeego , i get a simulator window with nothing(black screen) , any help ? thx Jun 04 11:16:10 hi, wll be there a meeting here? :) Jun 04 11:17:07 ufa: no, never here. Jun 04 11:17:23 ufa: #meego-meeting is the channel for that. Jun 04 11:17:28 X-Fade thx Jun 04 11:17:36 any help for my question? thx Jun 04 11:18:44 ghosTM55, try turning selinux off: setenforce 0 Jun 04 11:22:28 zaheerm: yes , i did it , i can't even see the simulator window with selinux open Jun 04 11:23:42 zaheerm: still i get a simulator window with nothin' :( Jun 04 11:24:48 what is the meego root password? Jun 04 11:25:34 zaheerm: (tracker-miner-fs:3095): GVFS-RemoteVolumeMonitor-WARNING **: invoking IsSupported() failed for remote volume monitor with dbus name org.gtk.Private.GduVolumeMonitor: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildSignaled: Process /usr/libexec/gvfs-gdu-volume-monitor received signal 6 Jun 04 11:25:34 Jun 04 11:25:50 zaheerm: i got such error message when i ran startmeego-debug Jun 04 11:26:21 sorry i don't know the answer Jun 04 11:26:32 try asking in the meego-dev mailing list Jun 04 11:26:53 zaheerm: okay , thank you very much Jun 04 11:30:55 i love how fast this is =] Jun 04 11:32:35 there is no dvorak keyboard....... Jun 04 11:43:22 hello, is it possible to install the meego window manager on debian. I haven't found a repository for this yet Jun 04 12:26:16 Yeah, nokia sent me a replacement of my broken n900 :D Jun 04 12:26:37 usb-broken, to be precise... Jun 04 12:27:29 ufa: haha Jun 04 12:27:42 \0/ Jun 04 12:27:46 * gour wonders what is the hardware quality of n900 in general... Jun 04 12:27:59 gour, bad? Jun 04 12:28:20 at least most of my friends with n900 has had some kind of small problems. Jun 04 12:28:21 built to last some years, or, as usual, 1ry warranty and time for a new toy Jun 04 12:28:22 gour > it is good, but there was a usb issue Jun 04 12:28:49 how is the quality of screen? Jun 04 12:29:11 clipartcat > aside the usb-issue, I think the hardware quality is pretty good Jun 04 12:29:13 i'll probably wait for a new device, going to buy netbook for meego 1st Jun 04 12:29:52 ufa, how a bout screen edge cracking issues?-) Jun 04 12:29:57 here, at least, n900 costs 2x as decent netbook Jun 04 12:30:29 clipartcat > well, on my previous phone, everything was intact... Jun 04 12:30:39 except, of course, for the usb, that pulled out Jun 04 12:30:53 gour, yah same here, i bought my netbook for 149 and the n900s go at 400+ Jun 04 12:30:59 ufa, well like all of my friends had screen edges snapping. Jun 04 12:31:35 clipartcat > maybe your friends treat the phones like tennis balls ;) Jun 04 12:32:14 ufa, no? and like in most of the forums users are complaining about the same issue. Jun 04 12:32:15 zaheerm: yeah, costly toy Jun 04 12:33:27 clipartcat > well, I don't know. I have 3 friends with n900, and I was the only one with issues :( Jun 04 12:37:57 it is imo the best device Jun 04 12:38:50 at least from the HW+Design side. Jun 04 12:39:18 next device please more screen, less bezel Jun 04 12:41:52 and multitouch.. Jun 04 12:42:06 pupnik: and make it flexible! Jun 04 12:42:12 and with lasers! Jun 04 12:42:15 heh Jun 04 12:43:24 just a bit larger screen would be nice Jun 04 12:45:21 considering n900 costs as 2 netbooks, we're a bit picky about the hardware quality...hopefully not too many people are ready to throw money away Jun 04 12:50:01 RST38h: dont forget the colorfax! Jun 04 13:50:21 pupnik, resistive. :( Jun 04 13:50:38 Woe unto those capacitive sons of bitches. Jun 04 13:51:32 yes GAN900 Jun 04 13:57:30 GAN900 is going to manually replace whatever capacitive screen is in his next device with a resistive screen Jun 04 13:58:42 Termana, no, I'm not giving Nokia any money. Jun 04 13:59:43 GAN900, thats interesting, only for the fact that they won't have resistive screens or...? Jun 04 14:02:01 GAN900, or because you think they poorly support their devices or, what exactly is the reason you don't want to give them any money? Jun 04 14:03:57 GAN900, what's wrong with capacitive screens? Jun 04 14:04:48 GAN900, resistive sucks. Can't think any advantage about it other than you can use stylus which I only use because of stupid ui of n900. Jun 04 14:05:22 Termana, mostly because of the capacitive Jun 04 14:05:31 Termana, I can't stand using capacitive. Jun 04 14:06:01 GAN900, what exactly do you believe is bad about it? Jun 04 14:06:09 clipartcat, better precision, better feel, more versatile. Jun 04 14:06:24 Termana, a variety of things that are mostly unimportant Jun 04 14:06:28 GAN900, more verstaile? Jun 04 14:06:38 Mostly it comes down to the fact that I can't stand using them. Jun 04 14:06:56 clipartcat, you have the option to use whatever touch device you want. Jun 04 14:06:56 GAN900, well haven't really enjoyed this precision thing too much as n900 had like 1-2mm off calibration at the edges before pr1.2 Jun 04 14:07:09 You aren't limited to your fingers or frozen sausages. Jun 04 14:07:36 hey. quick remark about the twitter and last.fm integration. in both those cases, there are other services which are 100% API compatible (identi.ca and libre.fm, respectively). it would be nice to have an "advanced settings" area where users could optionally override the default server, in order to use those services instead Jun 04 14:08:00 has the code for part of meego been released? Jun 04 14:08:04 GAN900, well maybe when I get new phone with different screen I start hating it :) Jun 04 14:08:32 sjokkis: yes, meego core and meego ux Jun 04 14:08:49 multitouch is the best thing since sliced bread. Jun 04 14:08:56 Not really Jun 04 14:09:18 Multitouch is gimmicky and awkward for most of the uses I've seen it put to in handheld devices. Jun 04 14:09:29 Stskeeps: all right then. i'll submit a bug, and look into writing a patch Jun 04 14:09:32 Besides, resistive multitouch exists. Jun 04 14:09:53 i dont think pinch-to-zoom is gimmicky Jun 04 14:09:59 i think its awesome Jun 04 14:10:04 GAN900, do you really think that like zooming with resistive is better :) Jun 04 14:10:14 GAN900, yeah, but is there any actual devices that are using it? Besides the upcoming MeeGo tablet that we saw in the video, I guess (?) Jun 04 14:10:33 that swirl zoom in n900 is almost a joke Jun 04 14:12:22 I think the majority of people agree with clipartcat - listening to several tech podcasts, even people in the tech world think this as well - that multi-touch and capacitive is necessary for a good device with a good user experience Jun 04 14:12:26 Almost a joke, yes. However, only almost, as it really works nicely :) The problem with it, as i see it, is that it isn't ubiquitous... Jun 04 14:12:32 clipartcat, I find pinch zooming quite awkward. Jun 04 14:12:47 GAN900, do you have like one finger or what? :) Jun 04 14:12:53 Termana, people are stupid. Jun 04 14:13:04 Termana, Apple marketing is really effective. Jun 04 14:13:26 GAN900, I also prefer double tapping to zoom :) Jun 04 14:13:42 GAN900, it's not about Apple marketing it's about usability. Jun 04 14:13:42 i also prefer it Jun 04 14:13:48 clipartcat, bullshit. Jun 04 14:13:57 clipartcat, it's about personal preference. Jun 04 14:14:10 GAN900, well maybe there is like 1/10000 that don't like multitouch Jun 04 14:14:21 GAN900, HTC released a resistive Android device. It supposedly did worse than their capacitive devices Jun 04 14:14:36 Weather that was because of the screen technology or something else is up for debate though Jun 04 14:14:41 GAN900, if you had macbook pro would you use it, or do you even use multitouch without thinking? Jun 04 14:15:03 But HTC have said they won't do resistive screen phones, at least for Android Jun 04 14:15:10 (anymore) Jun 04 14:15:32 gday. Jun 04 14:15:39 GAN900, and it's not even such a thing with laptop when you can have keyboard shortcuts. Yet it still offers better user experience. Jun 04 14:15:49 gime a capacitive i can tap with fingernail or stylus Jun 04 14:15:50 hello Stskeeps :) Jun 04 14:15:57 oops. cant do that Jun 04 14:16:44 but i can tap a resistive with finger, like capacitive Jun 04 14:17:10 one gimmick move i can't do Jun 04 14:18:03 pupnik, so? I don't usually feel like tapping with my fingernail and I btw. have nail clipper. Jun 04 14:18:16 pupnik, well, actually, you can use a stylus (admittedly not a normal one) on capacitive Jun 04 14:19:08 pupnik, I can send you one for free if you give your address. Jun 04 14:19:55 Stskeeps: what's your regular proceedure when there is a bug already, but the filed bug is a more specific problem, which is part of a greater issue? Jun 04 14:20:12 Stskeeps: do i change the existing bug, make a new one and mark the old as duplicate, or something else entirely? Jun 04 14:20:22 Stskeeps: 'holiday' - ring a bell, you addict? :-P Jun 04 14:20:26 GAN900/pupnik but anyway maybe it would be good to support both screentypes. Jun 04 14:20:34 like glossy vs. matte Jun 04 14:20:47 clipartcat, a laptop is not a handheld mobile device. Jun 04 14:20:52 I don't think we need to resort to ad hominem attacks while debating a technical matter :) Jun 04 14:20:52 clipartcat, of course it would Jun 04 14:20:59 clipartcat, ^^ Jun 04 14:21:01 clipartcat, and this is exactly my point. Jun 04 14:21:26 Termana, it's always difficult to avoid when there's no actual technical advantage Jun 04 14:21:32 Termana, it's not a technical matter actually. Jun 04 14:21:44 clipartcat, and, once again, multitouch isn't limited to capacitive. :) Jun 04 14:21:44 as gan900 it's about preference Jun 04 14:22:48 I meant technical matter as in something about tech rather than traditionally "technical". Jun 04 14:23:53 clipartcat, but please avoid making it personal Jun 04 14:23:53 sjokkis: do you know that the only way to fix the filed bug is to fix the more general bug? Jun 04 14:24:01 if so, then you have only one bug and it should be adjusted Jun 04 14:24:09 GAN900, ok. Jun 04 14:24:52 timeless_mbp: the general problem is that services in the status menu don't allow you to choose which server to use. the specific problem is that the twitter service doesn't allow this Jun 04 14:25:07 GAN900, but also Steve hasn't brainwashed me ;) Jun 04 14:25:18 timeless_mbp: (allowing users to override the default server would let them use alternative services like identi.ca and libre.fm) Jun 04 14:25:45 sjokkis: hrm Jun 04 14:25:56 was the twitter service written by twitter? Jun 04 14:26:02 no clue Jun 04 14:26:12 gonna do a CO of the code now and have a gander Jun 04 14:26:28 i ask, because if the twitter service was written by twitter then it's reasonable to expect that they would not want to support the feature :) Jun 04 14:26:48 I can't really understand twitter. But maybe it's a good medium for celbrites and such that doesn't really have much more to say than a single sentence. Jun 04 14:26:55 timeless_mbp: in that case it's not reasonable for meego to use that service Jun 04 14:27:12 Anyone knows how to install meego using a DVD. my ibm thinkpad cannot boot using USB or CD, but DVD workds Jun 04 14:27:15 sorry my mind has the wrong context Jun 04 14:27:24 * timeless_mbp blames GAN900 Jun 04 14:27:39 timeless_mbp: wouldn't be that hard enough to write an open source version to justify that lack of functionality Jun 04 14:27:47 in my opinion Jun 04 14:27:56 i doubt it's the case, though Jun 04 14:28:03 but i'll find out in a minute Jun 04 14:28:03 sjokkis: the thing is... Jun 04 14:28:18 in general a service requires a custom ui for configuration, rihgt? Jun 04 14:28:23 s/rihgt/right/ Jun 04 14:28:23 timeless_mbp meant: in general a service requires a custom ui for configuration, right? Jun 04 14:28:41 once you're there, i'm not sure how a framework can help an instance Jun 04 14:28:49 timeless_mbp: i'm not sure what you mean Jun 04 14:29:20 to configure twitter, i need to enter my username and password, right? Jun 04 14:29:24 sure Jun 04 14:29:34 and it probably is going to want to show a twitter icon to remind me that i'm talking to twitter Jun 04 14:29:39 yeah Jun 04 14:29:41 and show me my twitter face so i know it worked Jun 04 14:29:48 and show me twitter specific errors when bad things happen Jun 04 14:29:53 fail whale? Jun 04 14:29:58 timeless_mbp: twitter and identi.ca are API compatible Jun 04 14:30:08 identi.ca uses the twitter API Jun 04 14:30:33 sjokkis: sure Jun 04 14:30:49 but is the framework a layer which would also support e.g. irc? Jun 04 14:30:50 you'd probably want the GUI to reflect which one you're using Jun 04 14:31:04 or is it a framework which is limited to the identi.ca API? Jun 04 14:31:04 detecting which we're using is trivial, though Jun 04 14:31:12 what do you mean by that? Jun 04 14:31:29 IRC is implemented by telepathy Jun 04 14:31:40 i doubt the two have anything to do with each other Jun 04 14:31:42 is irc shown in the same 'services' view? Jun 04 14:31:45 no Jun 04 14:31:51 er, hang on a tic Jun 04 14:32:01 so services is *only* an identi.ca API thing? Jun 04 14:32:27 basically my point is that if i'm going to have to provide my own ui for configuring the username, password, showing a logo and a face Jun 04 14:32:30 i've got twitter and last.fm in the status tab Jun 04 14:32:42 then i can just as easily show a chooser for the service Jun 04 14:32:51 timeless_mbp: the UI for configuring twitter or identi.ca is identical Jun 04 14:32:53 and it's likely that there's nothing usefully portable Jun 04 14:32:55 the API is the same Jun 04 14:33:05 sjokkis: right Jun 04 14:33:10 the ONLY change that is strictly necessary here is allowing the user to choose which server he's using Jun 04 14:33:10 but i can't recycle it for irc Jun 04 14:33:12 or jabber Jun 04 14:33:16 what, no Jun 04 14:33:36 well, i'm sure meego uses a lot of the same code to configure different types of accounts Jun 04 14:33:43 but the underlying stuff is COMPLETE separate Jun 04 14:34:03 well, i shouldn't make claims about how separate it is, but IRC is implemented with Telepathy Jun 04 14:34:06 this clearly isn't Jun 04 14:34:26 basically i don't see why this isn't just a request to change the twitter thing to be a generic thing which happens to perhaps default to twitter Jun 04 14:34:39 as such, i don't see a need for a second bug Jun 04 14:34:55 the rason is that this problem also affects last.fm Jun 04 14:34:58 reason* Jun 04 14:35:20 but the ui for last.fm is going to be different than the ui for twitter, no? Jun 04 14:35:31 you aren't actually sharing a ui, are you? Jun 04 14:35:37 i'm not sure i can explain this any clearer Jun 04 14:35:39 open the status tab Jun 04 14:35:43 send me a device? Jun 04 14:35:45 do you see the UI for adding a new account? Jun 04 14:35:54 nope, you haven't sent me a device yet Jun 04 14:36:04 (you can stream pictures if you prefer) Jun 04 14:36:35 this conversation isn't going anywhere Jun 04 14:36:52 I think timeless_mbp's point is that the UI for the service is probably twitter specific and probably has twitter icons etc. (not exactly sure) Jun 04 14:37:07 my point is that there's no useful place for a common thing Jun 04 14:37:13 and thus asking for a common thing doesn't make sense Jun 04 14:37:38 timeless_mbp: i don't think you have any understanding of this problem. i can explain it to you again if you'd like Jun 04 14:37:38 you aren't going to share the function for the two distinct backends (last.fm, identi.ca) Jun 04 14:37:46 i'm pretty sure i did Jun 04 14:37:49 no reason for distinct backends Jun 04 14:37:53 if you want to try again, bring pictures Jun 04 14:38:13 i don't work for you, and i'm pretty sure you're not a dev, so i see no reason to convince you Jun 04 14:38:23 hrm, i'm not a dev? Jun 04 14:38:26 news to me and my employer Jun 04 14:38:33 please don't make assumptions about people Jun 04 14:38:34 i'm surprised Jun 04 14:38:47 you work on meego? Jun 04 14:39:10 my employer seems to think that i do Jun 04 14:39:13 all right, anyway. i'm gonna try to explain this to you again, as clearly as i possibly can Jun 04 14:39:16 now now no need to get worked up and start trying to fire personal attacks off. Just calm the hell down Jun 04 14:39:34 twitter and identi.ca are two websites which offer the exact same service, using the exact same API Jun 04 14:40:02 in other words, a single client supporting one of them would automatically support the other, if you simply changed which server it connected to Jun 04 14:40:18 just as an IRC client supports any which IRC server you'd like to use Jun 04 14:40:20 yeah, i got that part Jun 04 14:40:24 great Jun 04 14:40:59 so, it stands to reason that adding support for identi.ca in meego is a simple as letting the user choose to use their servers instead of twitter's servers Jun 04 14:41:06 Termana: for reference, i answered the question the way i did because i don't personally have a better answer Jun 04 14:41:20 and in addition, you might of course want to change the UI a bit to reflect which server you're using Jun 04 14:41:33 timeless_mbp: i didn't mean to insult you, but you did come across as a bit of a tit Jun 04 14:41:46 sjokkis: please continue w/ your explanation Jun 04 14:41:51 you've failed to see the problem Jun 04 14:41:59 please explain it Jun 04 14:42:02 please finish Jun 04 14:42:21 i believe i have Jun 04 14:42:22 so far you've only explained why it makes sense for twitter to be changed to support a service Jun 04 14:42:33 that seems like a single bug which you indicated was already filed Jun 04 14:42:39 you asked about filing a second bug Jun 04 14:42:54 the second bug would be for the same change to the last.fm service Jun 04 14:43:01 which also has an API-compatible counterpart Jun 04 14:43:39 right Jun 04 14:43:45 in both cases, it's as simple as changing which server we connect to Jun 04 14:43:47 but those two services don't share a ui Jun 04 14:43:55 and you can't usefully make them share a ui Jun 04 14:44:07 or at least, you're incredibly unlikely to want to Jun 04 14:44:21 we're simply talking about the account creation UI here Jun 04 14:44:24 which in fact is the same Jun 04 14:44:37 if you want to file it as one bug or separate ones, i couldn't care less about Jun 04 14:44:51 i'm focused on fixing this, not squabbling about how it should be filed in bugzilla Jun 04 14:44:53 note that i don't specifically work on 'services' Jun 04 14:45:05 but i have spent time dealing w/ user interfaces Jun 04 14:45:11 and i spend time working on bugzilla Jun 04 14:45:45 it would furthermore seem like the bug i did find was't as relevant as i thought on first glance Jun 04 14:45:48 http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2482 Jun 04 14:46:22 i'm a bit surprised by that bug, though. it would seem the guy has found *some* way of setting up an identi.ca server Jun 04 14:46:49 er, account* Jun 04 14:47:05 this could be a problem that's restricted to the "add account" part of the status tab Jun 04 14:47:12 if so, it would be even easier to fix Jun 04 14:47:30 timeless_mbp: did you get my point about the account creation area being the same UI? Jun 04 14:47:37 if you want i can boot up meego and give you a screenshot Jun 04 14:47:47 that'd be good Jun 04 14:48:11 if the user interface is in fact shared then it would be reasonable to use the original bug to do the whole work Jun 04 14:48:21 but you're going to need to support the case where a service *doesn't* support that Jun 04 14:48:25 Twitter and last.fm are intended to be example apps to show how that panel works. The idea is that OEMs or developers could add support for additional services (like identi.ca, Facebook, etc.) over time. Jun 04 14:48:38 however, if the ui's are not shared Jun 04 14:48:48 then it doesn't make sense to treat the bug as a bug in the framework Jun 04 14:48:58 DawnFoster: well, in this case, there's no real work involved in "adding support" Jun 04 14:48:58 and merely as bugs in distinct items which happen to be similar Jun 04 14:49:09 DawnFoster: for identi.ca and libre.fm that is Jun 04 14:49:23 sjokkis: nothing is as "easy" as it seems Jun 04 14:49:24 DawnFoster: we're talking services that are 100% API compatible with the services we already support Jun 04 14:49:31 what happens if i enter a dns entry that isn't valid Jun 04 14:49:31 timeless_mbp: sure. famous last words and all that Jun 04 14:49:35 I know that people have written support for things like Facebook Jun 04 14:49:43 timeless_mbp: you get a connection error Jun 04 14:50:04 you could add identi.ca as a new service based on how we implemented Twitter Jun 04 14:50:23 DawnFoster: i think it would make more sense to have a general "Microblogging" service Jun 04 14:50:28 but that is of course a design desision Jun 04 14:50:33 decision Jun 04 14:50:39 who do i talk to about that? Jun 04 14:50:46 yes, well, an architecture decision really Jun 04 14:50:59 you can bring it up on meego-dev if you like Jun 04 14:51:05 (mailing list) Jun 04 14:51:10 i'll do that. thanks Jun 04 14:53:28 my point is that the feature isn't generic Jun 04 14:53:39 you wouldn't use it for e.g. Facebook Jun 04 14:53:46 it ends up being a per backend ui element Jun 04 14:54:47 it might be the case that you can write a ui which supports optionally showing an extra field Jun 04 14:54:56 fwiw there was a Maemo tool which tried to do this Jun 04 14:55:28 eventually one company which had been packaging that tool for internal use found it too poor to continue packaging and discontinued it in favor of some other solution Jun 04 14:56:44 timeless_mbp: twitter and facebook are completely different Jun 04 14:56:51 timeless_mbp: twitter and identi.ca are identical Jun 04 14:57:05 twitter, facebook, and last.fm exist in a common space Jun 04 14:57:07 "services" Jun 04 14:57:15 true Jun 04 14:57:16 at least according to what you and dawn have written Jun 04 14:57:33 the "twitter" service is actually the "twitter and identi.ca" service Jun 04 14:57:45 or the "twitter and whatever else uses the twitter API" service Jun 04 14:57:49 i'm only interested in whether there is actually a shared ui element where it would be possible for you to insert the field you were interested in Jun 04 14:57:58 because that was the question you raised Jun 04 14:58:12 whether it made sense to have a distinct bug or shared bug or whatever for a second instance Jun 04 14:58:23 it would be ridiculous not to use the same UI to set up both twitter and identi.ca accounts Jun 04 14:58:34 In my opinion, I don't think it makes sense to combine them, but I don't make the architecture decisions :) Jun 04 14:58:43 DawnFoster: why do you say that? Jun 04 14:58:54 sjokkis: fwiw, you should claim http://www.ohloh.net/p/telepathy-glib/contributors/115154515949766 Jun 04 14:59:01 and then you should browse ohloh for a bit :) Jun 04 14:59:59 telepathy still doesn't have (some kind of) OTR? Jun 04 15:00:39 timeless_mbp: did you find my name through the NTNU servers, or somewhere else? Jun 04 15:01:41 actually, first hit on google is my github profile... Jun 04 15:01:59 sjokkis - I think your approach makes it easy from a developer point of view, but more complicated for end users. What we have now is simple and fairly elegant as a reference platform, which gives people an easy way to add / remove the services that they way to use in their MeeGo products. Jun 04 15:02:38 hi all Jun 04 15:02:50 DawnFoster: i think having a combined "Microblogging" and "whatever you'd call last.fm" services makes perfect sense Jun 04 15:03:07 in the same sense as we refer to just "IM" Jun 04 15:03:31 anyone had issues with netbooks internal mic and manage to fix it? Jun 04 15:03:41 Think about less savvy end users for a minute. None of them know what "microblogging" is, but they know Twitter Jun 04 15:03:45 i wasn't born yesterday, so yes, i used google Jun 04 15:04:42 DawnFoster: all right. so the service could reflect the name of whichever server we're actually using Jun 04 15:04:58 no Jun 04 15:05:01 timeless: i was born yesterday, but i try not to make a bit deal out of it Jun 04 15:05:03 again, a more complicated solution. Jun 04 15:05:11 it should reflect what users will expect/recognize Jun 04 15:05:29 DawnFoster: more complicated that having two separate services with the exact same code, only differing in their UI? Jun 04 15:05:30 ok, people - let's be a little less condescending here Jun 04 15:05:41 which could be something else Jun 04 15:05:44 DawnFoster: we have an established rapport Jun 04 15:06:18 sjokkis - I've offered my opinion, and I don't make the architecture decisions. Jun 04 15:06:38 sjokkis: both dawn and myself are looking at things from a ui perspective Jun 04 15:06:56 code is sometimes, perhaps even oftimes cheap Jun 04 15:07:24 well, no matter how you want to present this, the implementation of the two services would probably be the same Jun 04 15:07:32 s/oftimes/offtimes/ Jun 04 15:07:33 timeless meant: code is sometimes, perhaps even offtimes cheap Jun 04 15:07:41 regardless of your established rapport, we need to be respectful of each other in this channel Jun 04 15:08:13 s/oftimes/ofttimes/ Jun 04 15:08:14 timeless meant: code is sometimes, perhaps even ofttimes cheap Jun 04 15:08:16 * timeless cries Jun 04 15:08:24 keep trying Jun 04 15:08:31 i think you want "often" Jun 04 15:08:31 :) Jun 04 15:08:33 nah, that time i got it right Jun 04 15:08:39 ofttimes is an archaic word Jun 04 15:08:46 but it's really the one i wanted Jun 04 15:08:59 any real computer geniuses want to try and help me? It's likely to take a while Jun 04 15:09:00 it's not a word i often get the chance to use Jun 04 15:09:01 there is of course a simple alternative here Jun 04 15:09:13 cwesterfield: not really, no. Jun 04 15:09:17 ;) Jun 04 15:09:20 well, i'd use my gui iirc client, but it was busy crashing Jun 04 15:09:20 take the existing twitter service, make it generic, and wrap it as "Twitter" and "Identi.ca" respectively Jun 04 15:09:20 :) Jun 04 15:09:24 same code, two services Jun 04 15:09:39 makes sense Jun 04 15:09:45 but you didn't ask about that! Jun 04 15:10:00 i actually asked about the UI for adding those accounts Jun 04 15:10:04 you asked about whether it made sense to have a generic bug that would also cover the lastfm case Jun 04 15:10:42 timeless: you should ease up on that. it wasn't the core problem here Jun 04 15:11:02 it was the only question i was interested in answering Jun 04 15:11:03 if you want it to be one bug, two or ten doesn't matter to me at all Jun 04 15:11:23 the answer is that you would need a distinct specific bug for the last.fm service Jun 04 15:11:28 and not a generic one Jun 04 15:11:32 I cannot get dualboot meego win7 but I don't want to cloud this room, I joined #meego-boot if anyone feels like teaching me something new Jun 04 15:11:48 if someone writes another unrelated client which they hard code to some other service Jun 04 15:11:55 then they'd eventually get their own bug for the same thing Jun 04 15:12:02 (if they manage to integrate into meego) Jun 04 15:16:11 anyone know what to do about the blackscreen on boot if it is not on an sd card? Jun 04 15:20:14 cwesterfield: did any of the dual boot info in the FAQ help you? Jun 04 15:20:36 I beleive I am in a whole new ballpark Jun 04 15:20:44 frequntly will be little help Jun 04 15:20:50 frequently even Jun 04 15:21:14 Meego blew up my windows 7 install Jun 04 15:21:23 cwesterfield: in other words, you read the links from the FAQ and are still having issues? Jun 04 15:21:39 yeah, and the forum, and google Jun 04 15:21:54 I ask because I'm interested in improving the FAQ :) Jun 04 15:22:01 not just to be difficult Jun 04 15:22:10 I hope my situation is a one in a million Jun 04 15:22:14 ok Jun 04 15:22:40 it installed fine, but set my win7 partion to inactive Jun 04 15:23:08 i set my partion back and rebuilt the bcd and then couldn't get into meego Jun 04 15:24:15 so then i added a line in bootrec for the largest partion meego setup using easybcd, but it just boots to black, as if it were the problem some people were having with sd installs Jun 04 15:24:37 Is there a phone that uses MeeGo out in the open today? Jun 04 15:25:08 zChris: unlikely Jun 04 15:25:37 i don't think there are actually *any* meego devices available in stores today :) Jun 04 15:25:39 zChris: if there is i'm sure Nokia would like to hear about it Jun 04 15:26:12 robsta: i'm sure we don't want to hear it ;-) Jun 04 15:27:32 cwesterfield: i am not sure if meego creates a partition for /boot/ or not Jun 04 15:27:50 you might want to check for it and try booting from there Jun 04 15:28:11 i'm trying to figure out which partition is the important one Jun 04 15:28:28 probably the smallest Jun 04 15:28:34 < 500MB Jun 04 15:29:59 anyone managed to make Dell 5530 HSPA device to run on meego? Jun 04 15:31:59 I'm pulling up easybcd now, it made 3 partitions, small, 7gb, swap Jun 04 15:32:13 I'll install an option for the small partition Jun 04 15:35:32 setting it to the small one gives me a Boot error message Jun 04 15:35:48 I got farther trying to boot to the 7gb partition Jun 04 15:55:35 i wonder if accelerated h.264 is possible on n900 meego Jun 04 15:57:42 pupnik: don't see why not, so long as you're familiar with the dsp Jun 04 15:58:33 this is core work for nokia Jun 04 15:59:09 ibut i would still like to try it out. do some tests Jun 04 16:04:18 pupnik, isn't it accelerated on Maemo? Jun 04 16:09:23 accelerated via the DSP (co-processor) Jun 04 16:09:25 I know some codecs are, for example MP3 Jun 04 16:09:47 but h.264 has many different possible ways of being accelerated Jun 04 16:09:48 I am also thinking if OpenSSL has a Engine driver for ARM DSP co-processor offload for encryption Jun 04 16:11:15 does the GPU have features to help? have hard much talk of OpenGL based acceleration but not sure on codec Jun 04 16:11:20 s/hard/heard/ Jun 04 16:11:21 odin_ meant: does the GPU have features to help? have heard much talk of OpenGL based acceleration but not sure on codec Jun 04 16:16:58 I was under the impression that mp3 was not accelerated due to it not being of much benefit Jun 04 16:18:04 maybe not as 1Mb per minute of data input throughput Jun 04 16:19:38 shell based SSH encrpytion/hmac offload again would not be worth it for a shell session, but a bulk encryption (like backup function) would work well Jun 04 16:23:40 another interesting question, is can bottom half interrupt routines be handled by DSP ? Jun 04 16:27:53 if i use the windows bootloader and easybcd, how important is the boot partition? Jun 04 16:28:34 you mean the "active" partition, in the partition table ? this being what some people call the "boot partition" ? Jun 04 16:29:43 there are a number of uses for the term "boot partition" some WinXP users might call that their system C: drive Jun 04 16:30:21 I was referring to the partion meego install creats for /boot Jun 04 16:30:44 ok the partition containing the MeeGo /boot filesystem Jun 04 16:31:02 the meego install set my win7 partition as inactive, and in fixing it I no longer have access to meego Jun 04 16:31:21 using easybcd to ass meego to the boot options hasn't worked thus far Jun 04 16:31:31 yes that is a problem since Vista, Microsoft changed their way they load their OS Jun 04 16:31:32 ass=add Jun 04 16:31:35 lol Jun 04 16:32:22 ok I think if you have Win7 still working and booting, getting MeeGo to boot as well using EasyBCD to modify bootrec should be possible Jun 04 16:32:53 the closest I have gotten it is to start booting and then give me a black screen Jun 04 16:33:00 which is documented in the forums Jun 04 16:33:04 the /boot filesystem if it exists, is important, since it contains the kernel and initrd (on most Linux installs) Jun 04 16:34:08 general linux dual-boot guides can help you here Jun 04 16:34:35 from a previous conversation in here, it was established that MeeGo for Intel uses SYSLINUX to boot, not GRUB not LILO Jun 04 16:34:49 you still need the boot partition, but you can modify the bootloader (this is placed at the very beginning of the drive, before any partitions) to let you select Win7 or MeeGo Jun 04 16:34:57 oh really? fun fun fun Jun 04 16:34:57 i don't think easybcd supports that Jun 04 16:35:06 can EasyBCD see and support ext2 filesystem to load images itself ? Jun 04 16:35:36 i believe it so support grub, lilo, bsd Jun 04 16:35:59 well in EasyBSD does it let you browse your /boot filesystem, so you can see the files in it ? like the vmlinux (kernel) and the initrd ? Jun 04 16:36:28 not the way I'm using it Jun 04 16:36:29 I would guess that if EasyBCD supports ext2 (read-only) like GRUB does, then it would let you see/browse files from GUI Jun 04 16:36:52 so far I've just pointed it at a partition. Jun 04 16:37:05 ok you need to get GRUB installed on the partition Jun 04 16:37:43 can you boot MeeGo from USB (but mount/use your internal storage) ? Jun 04 16:37:54 doing it right now Jun 04 16:38:04 you want bootlaoder and kernel/initrd from USB Stick, but root from internal storage Jun 04 16:38:11 had to mount it via terminal, but I bet thats normal Jun 04 16:38:16 try to see if you can install grub via package management Jun 04 16:39:13 well ideally if you boot USB in rescue mode, you need to chroot into your mounted real root Jun 04 16:39:30 so that / and /boot are the correct partitions (from internal storage, not USB Stick) Jun 04 16:40:01 i have the 262mb partition of /boot mounted as /mnt/1 Jun 04 16:40:21 and the 7gb as /mnt/2 Jun 04 16:40:28 thats a big /boot, usually 100Mb is plenty and for embedded use 32Mb can be plenty Jun 04 16:40:57 ok can you umount /mnt/1 Jun 04 16:40:59 the partitions were setup when i told meego to install itself Jun 04 16:41:01 and remount it as /mnt/2/boot ? Jun 04 16:41:37 yup Jun 04 16:41:44 the bigger /boot is fine, just seems like wasted storage (on a potentially storage strapped device) Jun 04 16:41:51 ok does "chroot /mnt/2" work and give you a shell ? Jun 04 16:42:08 does 'df' work like you expect with the / and /boot partitions shown as mounted ? Jun 04 16:42:36 chroot worked Jun 04 16:43:08 df may not work, depends on state of /etc/mtab, but check manually that /boot contains the files you expect and try "df /boot" to check it reports 262Mb max size Jun 04 16:43:09 df shows sda5 (7gb) and sda3 (boot) Jun 04 16:43:18 ok seem luck is on your side today Jun 04 16:43:42 df /boot shows /dev/sda3 Jun 04 16:43:49 how is grub installed ? does ls -l /sbin/grub* exist ? Jun 04 16:44:25 I get /sbin/grubby Jun 04 16:44:54 ask your package management if it is installed ? rpm -q grub ? yum info grub ? try "yum search grub" to see if you can install grub from repo ? Jun 04 16:46:26 rpm -q grub show it is not installed Jun 04 16:46:44 try: yum install grub ? # and cross your fingers Jun 04 16:46:55 rpm -q syslinux Jun 04 16:47:18 with the ? Jun 04 16:47:25 sorry, no Jun 04 16:47:27 without Jun 04 16:47:31 "yum install grub" Jun 04 16:47:50 didn't like that at all Jun 04 16:47:57 should i try with rpm? Jun 04 16:48:02 can't Jun 04 16:48:07 no rpm only installs a local file Jun 04 16:48:07 rpm is the working, yum is the manager Jun 04 16:48:13 ahh Jun 04 16:48:16 yum works a remote repo to get it and then installs a local file Jun 04 16:48:17 s/working/worker Jun 04 16:48:50 should i be in the /mnt/2/boot directory? Jun 04 16:49:05 with yum it doesn't matter Jun 04 16:49:12 didn't think so Jun 04 16:49:14 so I guess you need to pettion your upstream support, the "Intel community" over getting grub built via OBS and in public repos Jun 04 16:49:48 hosed huh? Jun 04 16:50:19 the problem at the moment is the community can not fix this problem Jun 04 16:50:25 since they have no community OBS to fix it with Jun 04 16:50:50 it is hoped it maybe online within the next 2 weeks but it being worked on at this time Jun 04 16:50:58 hmm Jun 04 16:51:34 well i apreciate the effort Jun 04 16:51:40 When is MeeGo 1.1 due out ? Jun 04 16:51:44 is that the October release ? Jun 04 16:52:37 try this Jun 04 16:52:40 It would be real funny if 1.1 comes out before simple accessible matters like this are addresses, that would definitely be a reason to fork MeeGo Jun 04 16:52:41 "yum search grub" Jun 04 16:53:00 also you know that yum isn't the default manager for meego? Jun 04 16:53:16 losts of errors Jun 04 16:55:44 pastebin.com/HP9azwhW Jun 04 16:55:50 i did not Jun 04 16:55:57 *know that Jun 04 16:56:09 me too Jun 04 16:56:15 how weird Jun 04 16:56:49 ls /proc/cpuinfo Jun 04 16:58:01 proc exists, cpuinfo does not Jun 04 16:58:06 cwesterfield: next time, paste links with http:// part. that way they are clickable in irc clients :) Jun 04 16:58:18 that's an interesting issue Jun 04 16:58:28 slonopotamus: I was thinking that too Jun 04 16:58:32 sorry :/ Jun 04 16:58:54 cwesterfield: no problem Jun 04 16:59:37 I guess I'll blast the partitions and make my sd card a live install Jun 04 17:00:52 thanks for the help though Jun 04 17:01:14 cwesterfield: is /proc mounted at all? Jun 04 17:01:14 cwesterfield: mount | grep /proc Jun 04 17:02:02 not sure, I shut it off. If you are around when i get back from lunch I'll check in with you Jun 04 17:02:37 cwesterfield: if it isn't, run 'mount -t proc proc /proc' as root Jun 04 17:02:58 * slonopotamus can't remember why it needs three 'proc' Jun 04 17:03:12 maybe mount -t proc none /proc will work too Jun 04 17:03:42 file type, thingy and mount point Jun 04 17:04:09 CosmoHill: and what's 'proc' thingy? Jun 04 17:04:14 like mount -t xfs /dev/sda1 /mount/sata1.1 Jun 04 17:04:25 if I knew I wouldn't of called it thingy Jun 04 17:04:27 or it just accepts anything there? Jun 04 17:04:57 i think it's like shm, it's something the kernel knows about but it doesn't have a location in /dev Jun 04 17:05:02 okaaay Jun 04 17:05:16 try it without and see what happens Jun 04 17:05:46 mkdir hell & mount -t proc heaven hell works too :) Jun 04 17:05:56 hehe cool Jun 04 17:06:00 cwesterfield-awa: fail Jun 04 17:06:04 cwesterfield-awa: you missed a Y Jun 04 17:06:14 CosmoHill: he hit limit Jun 04 17:06:23 "afk"? Jun 04 17:06:29 seems better Jun 04 17:06:38 cheater Jun 04 17:06:42 I've seen bigger names that that Jun 04 17:07:04 CosmoHill: 16 chars limit Jun 04 17:08:31 dammit Jun 04 17:09:48 I'm up to 19 Jun 04 17:10:20 NICKLEN=16 Jun 04 17:10:26 thats what server info says Jun 04 17:10:33 oh year Jun 04 17:10:35 yeah* Jun 04 17:10:49 okay on another IRC server I'm up to 26 Jun 04 17:10:57 i got 45 on my server :p Jun 04 17:10:59 Quu: how'd you find it out? Jun 04 17:11:07 /version Jun 04 17:11:27 it doesn't like that Jun 04 17:11:43 Xchat Aqua Jun 04 17:11:45 well, atleast on irssi it works Jun 04 17:11:57 dunno :p Jun 04 17:12:12 you could try /quote version Jun 04 17:12:33 ah thanks Jun 04 17:13:10 30 is the limit on LFS Jun 04 17:13:23 same for aniverse Jun 04 17:14:12 32 on mixxnet :p Jun 04 17:14:48 at some point you've passed beyond the ability to follow all of them :) Jun 04 17:15:33 I think 13 is good, only because I have a line of my IRC client, slonopotamus is just the right length Jun 04 17:15:43 is there some way i can add support for ext4 to meego/ Jun 04 17:15:55 it's very annoying not being able to mount my home partition Jun 04 17:15:57 you'd need to built it as a kernel module Jun 04 17:16:12 sjokkis: compile kernel module? Jun 04 17:16:19 aight Jun 04 17:16:46 just figured there might be a repository somewhere that has a kernel with support Jun 04 17:17:17 dammit, my desktop can't handle 720p Jun 04 17:17:45 hmm now it seems okay Jun 04 17:25:42 what is the default app manage, zypper (or whatever its called) ? Jun 04 17:26:12 odin_: yum? Jun 04 17:27:00 cwesterfield-afk, hi, /proc is not mounted, because you are CHROOTed ! Jun 04 17:27:40 cwesterfield-afk, maybe exit out of chroot, and "mount --bind /proc /mnt/2/proc" ? then chroot back in "chroot /mnt/2" and retry "yum search grub" Jun 04 17:28:42 * odin_ wonders why yum need /proc/cpuinfo for arch, when "uname -a" and its system call is surely more correct Jun 04 17:31:56 odin_: reading files is easier than spawning processes Jun 04 17:32:29 however, i think that arch is accessible in 'sys' module Jun 04 17:34:30 maybe it wanted something more than just arch Jun 04 17:47:38 lol, you don't need to spawn a process for uname -a, its a system called Jun 04 17:47:56 man 2 uname ? Jun 04 17:57:07 odin_: whatever. /proc/cpuinfo simply has more data than uname givs Jun 04 18:01:09 sure but its not actually that easy to parse, for example working out if you are 64bit distro and therefore exactly what Arch are you, it also has future proofing issues (like new CPU old software/distro), I'm sure it uses a mix but am surprised it "crashes out" when it can't read it, as-if it is fatal Jun 04 18:43:04 is someone here that can help me?? i'm a windwos user, and i'm trying to figure out why i cannot install things using garage Jun 04 18:43:26 i read about the bug but since i'm a windows user i don't know how to start. Jun 04 18:45:14 GkNs, what are you trying to install? Jun 04 18:45:54 i'm trying to figure out why i cannot install anything using garage Jun 04 18:46:38 westerfield Jun 04 18:46:53 lame Jun 04 18:46:57 GkNs, I don't get it. what garage, what do you want to install? Jun 04 18:47:33 lets say i want to install AbiWord.. it just gives me a error, nothing else Jun 04 18:48:42 GkNs, downloading packages from outside the safe repositories is a bad idea Jun 04 18:48:54 odin_ > you around? Jun 04 18:48:57 however, abiword is available in extras-devel Jun 04 18:49:10 westerfield, indeed Jun 04 18:50:41 do you have time to try and help me get grun installed? Jun 04 18:50:45 *grub Jun 04 18:50:54 westerfield, have you got the package installed ? Jun 04 18:51:01 is it in the MeeGo repos? Jun 04 18:51:40 booting from flashdrive now Jun 04 18:53:06 Manage apps, right? Jun 04 18:55:06 oops, I just realized this is meego, not maemo Jun 04 18:55:52 I see grub at http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/core/repos/ia32/packages/i586/grub-0.97-51.13.i586.rpm Jun 04 18:56:49 should i remount the partition on the harddrive? Jun 04 18:56:51 is there a reason why meego switches TTY on alt+left/right? Jun 04 18:57:07 it's pretty annoying, considering that is a common keyboard shortcut Jun 04 18:57:24 in text mode ? or X11 ? Jun 04 18:57:28 x11 Jun 04 18:57:43 westerfield, yes, mount up / and /boot and /proc into the same tree, then chroot to it Jun 04 18:58:11 sjokkis, so you switch desktop's or you switch TTY (i.e. you go out of X11 and to a text mode console) ? Jun 04 18:58:22 the latter Jun 04 18:58:42 it *also* triggers the X11 keyboard shortcut, so it's really all sorts of screwed up Jun 04 18:59:15 sjokkis, so much for not zero-config-no-Xorg.conf camp... I guess you need to create Xorg.conf and set an option Jun 04 18:59:50 odin_: it's a very bad default, though. i guess i should file a bug Jun 04 19:00:04 sjokkis: probably the kernel keymap has Prev/Next mapped Jun 04 19:00:11 I had to do that on a device without function keys Jun 04 19:00:36 sjokkis, I can't see in 17.x how you can even set it, there is Ctrl+Alt+{Plus,Minus,Delete,Backspace,F1...F12} but no arrow left/right Jun 04 19:01:21 I have the 7gb partition (/dev/sda5) mounted as /mnt/hd, next i wount the 262 partition (sda3) as /mnt/hd/boot/ ... right? Jun 04 19:01:29 odin_: just alt+left/right. ctrl+alt+left/right switches zone Jun 04 19:01:39 alt+left/right should, of course, be prev/next Jun 04 19:01:58 in the current application Jun 04 19:02:42 how do i do the /proc folder? Jun 04 19:02:42 it is that, but it also swaps between X11 and TTY Jun 04 19:04:59 nvrmind Jun 04 19:05:08 I found it in the history Jun 04 19:07:17 are you chroot yet ? does "wget" work ? Jun 04 19:07:25 does "yum install grub" work / Jun 04 19:10:23 i did yum search grub Jun 04 19:10:39 and it returned a grub.i586 package ? Jun 04 19:11:50 http://pastebin.org/307435 Jun 04 19:11:55 yes it did Jun 04 19:12:10 so now you can "yum install grub" Jun 04 19:12:37 its going Jun 04 19:12:56 once done you need to pastebin your "/sbin/fdisk -l" output Jun 04 19:13:31 i get no output Jun 04 19:13:50 ah maybe thats due to chroot, as /dev is not created, exit chroot and try it Jun 04 19:14:18 type 'exit' once, then run 'fdisk -l' then go back into chroot enviroment 'chroot /mnt/whatever' Jun 04 19:14:48 http://pastebin.org/307438 Jun 04 19:15:02 maybe also add 'df' to the pastebin (from inside chroot) and "ls -l /boot" output Jun 04 19:15:57 http://pastebin.org/307441 Jun 04 19:18:13 ok run "grub" then type commands "root (hd0,2)" check it confirms it is EXT2 or EXT3 format Jun 04 19:19:06 just so i know, how do know its 0,2 ??? Jun 04 19:19:49 it MUST come back is a line acknowledging it detects EXT2 or EXT3 file system (from the "root (hd0,2)" command), if so then it is safe to run "setup (hd0,2)" this writes data into it Jun 04 19:20:37 well hd0, is the first HDD, which I presume you only have one and its /dev/sda in your fdisk pastey, the ",2" is the 3rd partition (0-based, i.e. numbered from 0) Jun 04 19:20:54 the fact you get a line back from grub confirming EXT2 or EXT3 detection, means you are ok to run setup command Jun 04 19:21:48 you are writing grub into the partition, not into the MBR Jun 04 19:22:16 i get "error 21: the selected disk does not exist" Jun 04 19:22:18 next you need to confirm /boot/grub/grub.conf looks setup ok, file names are correct, "root (hd0,2)" is in use Jun 04 19:22:24 should i exit chroot? Jun 04 19:22:34 nope, try "/dev/MAKEDEV sda" ? Jun 04 19:22:47 in grub? Jun 04 19:22:51 or just in chroot? Jun 04 19:22:53 no sorry, from a shell Jun 04 19:22:56 inside chroot Jun 04 19:23:14 is not we can exit chroot and copy from /dev/ to /mnt/whatever/dev/ the device files Jun 04 19:24:06 http://pastebin.org/307446 Jun 04 19:24:08 after running "/dev/MAKEDEV sda" you should have a file /dev/sda (when inside chroot) Jun 04 19:24:41 I hope you are writing all this down, so you can write a Wiki page explaining what you did :) Jun 04 19:24:53 lol, i have all the history Jun 04 19:24:58 exit chroot, try "ls -l /dev/MAKEDEV" Jun 04 19:25:11 don't forget history might disappear after logout from USB root? Jun 04 19:25:20 i mean from irc Jun 04 19:25:28 i'll save it as txt Jun 04 19:26:14 no such file or directory Jun 04 19:26:32 ls -l /bin/mknod ? Jun 04 19:27:01 got that one Jun 04 19:27:14 ok re-enter chroot enviroment, check /bin/mknod is there too (should be) Jun 04 19:27:40 it is Jun 04 19:28:13 ok run "/bin/mknod -m 0660 /dev/sda b 8 0" Jun 04 19:28:26 try "fdisk -l" see if it works now (from inside chroot, it didn't before) Jun 04 19:28:55 run both from chroot? Jun 04 19:29:04 yes from inside chroot Jun 04 19:29:42 it works from inside now Jun 04 19:30:01 ok no run "grub" and from inside grub run "root (hd0,2)" Jun 04 19:30:16 check for EXT2 or EXT3 filesystem detection line, paste it in here Jun 04 19:30:25 or maybe you cant paste it :) Duh Jun 04 19:30:47 i type badly, but i'm willing Jun 04 19:31:23 Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 Jun 04 19:31:26 its just 1 line, its very important, to ensure the next command doesn't hose your system by writing over something that is not /boot Jun 04 19:31:49 ok now run "setup (hd0,2)" check for confirmation (no errors) then you can "quit" Jun 04 19:32:07 anyone know where the code for the "My conversations" list lives? Jun 04 19:32:28 now edit/check the contents of /boot/grub/menu.lst (aka grub.conf) Jun 04 19:32:43 http://pastebin.org/307458 Jun 04 19:34:03 ok exit grub, what are the content of /boot ? and /boot/grub ? Jun 04 19:34:25 even though it err'ed Jun 04 19:34:28 ?? Jun 04 19:34:38 yes you can quit, you don't have the files in /boot/grub Jun 04 19:35:07 the post-install of grub.rpm didn't make them, so they need to be installed Jun 04 19:35:26 is it safe to pull kernels from some other project? i need some stuff not in meego, and i'd rather not compile my own Jun 04 19:35:26 http://pastebin.org/307461 Jun 04 19:35:55 sjokkis, for intel ? pretty much, for arm, not really Jun 04 19:36:15 sjokkis, safe means, will my device catch fire, nope it wont Jun 04 19:36:27 * odin_ thinks about BME issues... lol Jun 04 19:37:07 westerfield, ok and /boot/grub ? Jun 04 19:37:21 its in there Jun 04 19:37:25 the pastebin Jun 04 19:37:39 nothing in it except splash.xpm.gz Jun 04 19:41:26 westerfield, ok, do you have a dir: /usr/share/grub/* ? or maybe /usr/lib/grub/* ? Jun 04 19:41:43 come out of chroot to check? Jun 04 19:42:01 westerfield, no from inside chroot, since you installed grub from in there (didn't you?) Jun 04 19:42:10 yup Jun 04 19:43:03 westerfield, which path do you have ? /usr/share/grub/i386-pc/ ? yu are looking for a dir with files "e2fs_stage1_5" and "stage1" etc... maybe upto 10 files ? change dir with "cd" to that dir Jun 04 19:43:14 I have a /usr/share/grub/i386-pc Jun 04 19:43:24 ok: cd /usr/share/grub/i386-pc Jun 04 19:43:36 then "cp -i * /boot/grub/" Jun 04 19:43:58 k Jun 04 19:44:16 now check /boot/grub/ contents, type "cd" to get out of i386-pc dir Jun 04 19:44:19 you are still battling with same thing? :p Jun 04 19:44:22 its been like 4 hours Jun 04 19:44:56 now run "grub" again and run "root (hd0,2)" check for ext2fs confirmation line Jun 04 19:45:10 Quu, just 1 hour now since start Jun 04 19:45:25 hehe Jun 04 19:45:37 same line Jun 04 19:45:40 westerfield, is going to write a Wiki page, aren''t you ?? Jun 04 19:45:52 ok if you get ext2fs confirmation use "setup (hd0,2)" Jun 04 19:45:53 hm. after installing, it seems that meego has flushed my other distros from the bootloader. anyone know how to fix that, off hand? Jun 04 19:45:57 is it grub or lilo? Jun 04 19:46:03 I'm going to cut out all the parts that are good and submit it, but I can't explain much of it Jun 04 19:46:30 did setup work this time ? Jun 04 19:46:43 if so, we need to cleanup and check grub.conf is ready Jun 04 19:46:50 http://pastebin.org/307473 Jun 04 19:47:02 not sure, but doubtful Jun 04 19:47:47 ah ok you need /dev/sda3 creating Jun 04 19:47:56 quit from grub Jun 04 19:48:45 run: /bin/mknod -m 0660 /dev/sda3 b 8 3 Jun 04 19:49:04 odin_: if meego uses grub, why is there practically nothing in /boot/grub? Jun 04 19:49:06 check "ls -l /dev/sda*" Jun 04 19:49:43 sjokkis, it doesn't it uses SYSLINUX, this info in this channel with westerfield is about how to install grub, in westerfield he wants to dual boot with Win7 using BootECD Jun 04 19:50:18 odin_: i'm wondering because installing meego seems to have made it impossible for me to boot into ubuntu Jun 04 19:50:31 at least until i fix it, somehow Jun 04 19:50:32 westerfield, if you have 2 devices "8,0 => sda" and "8,3 => sda3" run "grub" again Jun 04 19:50:35 i get /dev/sda and then /dev/sda3 Jun 04 19:51:13 from grub, one more time... run "root (hd0,2)" and then check ext2fs detection confirmation info line, then run "setup (hd0,2)" #and cross your fingers Jun 04 19:51:14 succeded!!!! Jun 04 19:51:38 ok now we cleanup, "quit" grub and delete the files /dev/sda and /dev/sda3 (otherwise may interfere with udev on reboot) Jun 04 19:52:04 now "cd /boot/grub" and you need to create symlink: ln -s menu.lst grub.conf Jun 04 19:52:21 rm remove special file '/dev/sda'? Jun 04 19:52:22 now open a new file "grub.conf" in text editor, you need to set it up Jun 04 19:52:27 westerfield, yes remove Jun 04 19:53:40 do i use vi? Jun 04 19:53:51 do you know how to use "vi" ? Jun 04 19:54:04 barely, but nano is no where to be found Jun 04 19:54:10 try "yum install nano" Jun 04 19:54:31 odin_: do i have to do the same as westerfield is doing here in order to recover my ubuntu install? Jun 04 19:54:44 sjokkis, yep sort of Jun 04 19:54:54 sort of? Jun 04 19:55:36 sjokkis, well unless you are really sure on a couple of key matters, you could risk data loss by just trying to follow the points Jun 04 19:55:55 now i have the grub.conf open Jun 04 19:56:08 ok I setup a pastey with what I think it should look like for you Jun 04 19:58:52 what is your root fs again ? /dev/sdaX ? type "fdisk -l" and "df" and confirm Jun 04 19:59:43 out of chroot? Jun 04 20:00:06 I think 'df' was correct inside, but fdisk wont work not /dev/sda? was deleted Jun 04 20:00:17 i'll get you df Jun 04 20:00:39 I am expected sda5 Jun 04 20:01:11 http://pastey.net/137263 Jun 04 20:01:18 what is in /boot/efi and /boot/extlinux ? is there no initrd image for MeeGo Linux ? Jun 04 20:03:16 is the rootfs EXT3 or BTRFS ? cat /proc/mounts | grep sda5 Jun 04 20:03:59 http://pastey.net/137264 Jun 04 20:04:07 does the MeeGo kernel bootup in readonly mode or read-write ? Jun 04 20:04:37 cat /proc/cmdline Jun 04 20:04:56 btrfs Jun 04 20:05:22 ok just checking, I have seen the claim but I think the N900/ARM is ext3, ok I think Im ready Jun 04 20:05:48 http://pastey.net/137265 Jun 04 20:05:52 do you have a file /boot/grub/*btrfs* ? Jun 04 20:06:25 actually I don't think that matter, since grub doesn't need access to rootfs, only /boot which is ext3 Jun 04 20:06:44 i don't, but OK Jun 04 20:07:28 http://pastebin.com/hRmPyG34 for grub.conf Jun 04 20:08:06 no initrd setup, it should at least let you boot, I'm not sure on "ro" or "rw" for rootfs mount, hence two menu options Jun 04 20:09:25 once that is done, exit chroot, unmount /boot and /mnt/whatever Jun 04 20:10:15 what would be the differences between ro and rw Jun 04 20:10:22 ability to update kernel? Jun 04 20:10:49 you need to confirm Win7 still boots up next, then run EasyBCD Jun 04 20:11:17 no how the rootfs is mounted, it gets remounted rw, but there is no initrd in use, so it might need rw on bootup Jun 04 20:11:31 but we try for "ro" first Jun 04 20:11:57 shutting dowm now Jun 04 20:12:32 win 7 still works !!!! Jun 04 20:13:00 good, now you can format it :p Jun 04 20:13:43 as soon as codecs are good enough on linux to play 720p files on an atom i will Jun 04 20:13:44 re run EasyBCD, so it knows your Linux partition is your 256Mb one for /boot Jun 04 20:14:27 now reboot and try the MeeGo/Linux option, it should pickup GRUB embded in /boot fs partition Jun 04 20:15:02 you now have 30 mins to get a Wiki page up there and paste the link back in here :) Jun 04 20:15:07 oh yeah, it totally did Jun 04 20:16:00 ??? are you booting MeeGo now ? Jun 04 20:16:12 is there any problem with root being 'ro' ? and no initrd ? Jun 04 20:16:19 yup, it never even asked me about ro or rw Jun 04 20:16:29 no the default option is for 'ro' which is the prefered Jun 04 20:16:31 it just booted right in Jun 04 20:17:12 if there is no error, then you can remove the RW image option in grub.conf, you needed to hit a button at GRUB to get menu up to select a non-default item Jun 04 20:19:09 westerfield, how did you first install MeeGo ? Jun 04 20:19:40 flashdrive Jun 04 20:20:29 westerfield, maybe the installation option needs a script that detects presence of Vista/Win7 and automates the setup of grub embeded into the /boot partition (to be honest for the tiny space it consumes, might as well do it anyway for convenience) Jun 04 20:20:38 i used gparted to make a 8gb empty partition Jun 04 20:21:01 you booted from flashdrive into an installer, which you guided it to a partition on internal storage ? Jun 04 20:21:13 then let the installer partition that space Jun 04 20:21:15 exactly Jun 04 20:21:23 (or rather guided into 3 partitions, /boot rootfs and swap) Jun 04 20:21:28 right Jun 04 20:21:56 and it set the win7 partition as inactive Jun 04 20:22:02 then that installer should do that by default, its it just too dammed convenient not to Jun 04 20:22:51 you have a much better handle on what is happening, seems like a good request ticket though Jun 04 20:24:26 westerfield, you should be 7 minutes into that 30 minutes doing the Wiki page (as best you can), i.e. not playing with your MeeGo install anymore :) Jun 04 20:24:48 :) buzzkill Jun 04 20:28:27 odin_: do you know what i need to do to reclaim my ubuntu install? Jun 04 20:28:39 do you have a couple of minutes to help me out? Jun 04 20:29:03 sjokkis, what can you boot ? do you have an 'fdisk -l' output ? and can identify each partition's purpose ? Jun 04 20:31:22 i have nothing on fdisk -l actually Jun 04 20:31:38 i can only boot meego Jun 04 20:31:47 sjokkis, then do you understand your all your storage on your device ? what is your device ? what kind of storage does it have Jun 04 20:32:05 sjokkis, boot meego from USB stick, running rootfs from USB stick ? Jun 04 20:32:17 i installed meego to a partition on my harddrive Jun 04 20:32:32 you want me to reboot from the usb stick? Jun 04 20:32:50 sjokkis, what is it running now (if not USB Stick, which is the only thing that boots) ? Jun 04 20:33:07 right now i'm running meego from my harddrive Jun 04 20:33:07 sjokkis, you have meego running from HDD (no stick and booting ok) ? Jun 04 20:33:11 yup Jun 04 20:33:20 sjokkis, have you installed 'grub' with 'yum install grub' Jun 04 20:33:26 yes Jun 04 20:33:30 i did that a few minutes ago Jun 04 20:33:33 sjokkis, why doesn't 'fdisk -l' work ? Jun 04 20:33:51 sorry. it works with sudo Jun 04 20:33:55 sjokkis, what is in /dev ? what does /proc/mounts and /proc/swaps say ? Jun 04 20:34:01 fdisk -l works Jun 04 20:34:26 and i can identify my other partitions Jun 04 20:34:37 sjokkis, ok create pastebin and annotate each partition with its purpose, you must be able to identify your own system data Jun 04 20:34:46 i am. 2 sec Jun 04 20:34:47 sjokkis, do you share /boot and share swap ? (this is possible you know) Jun 04 20:34:59 sjokkis, share between meego and ubuntu Jun 04 20:37:04 sjokkis, if you have 2 /boot I would recommend you dump the meego one, or merge them into each other using the larged of the 2 partitions, maybe looking for 128Mb or so in size Jun 04 20:37:16 i am currently using separate /boot Jun 04 20:37:29 odin_: http://pastebin.com/7PiVzbRp Jun 04 20:37:40 sjokkis, I would put GRUB control back to Ubuntu's /boot partition, then fixup MeeGo to boot Jun 04 20:37:49 i agree Jun 04 20:38:00 i'm not sure how though Jun 04 20:38:41 heh a 2.5Gb /boot, hmm... thats a bit big sda5 Jun 04 20:38:46 250mb Jun 04 20:39:01 2963961 blocks at 1KiB each Jun 04 20:39:09 i must have accidentally added a zero, then Jun 04 20:39:15 disk it cheap :p Jun 04 20:39:41 maybe check you have identified it correctly, "mkdir /mnt/boot; mount -r /dev/sda5 /mnt/boot" Jun 04 20:40:31 given 200Mb is plenty for /boot and that it is also the first partition on the disk, switch to use /dev/sda1 Jun 04 20:40:45 what does 'df' report for usage after you mounted /mnt/boot ? Jun 04 20:40:52 odin_: oh shite, you're right. sda5 is swap Jun 04 20:41:34 sjokkis, ok is it shared ? cat /proc/swaps (what dvice is MeeGo using for swap) Jun 04 20:41:54 meego uses sda5, Jun 04 20:42:12 i set up partitions manually Jun 04 20:42:27 ok then the issue you have is you need to find/locate your ubuntu kernel/initrd images, maybe take a look at the ubuntu rootfs with: Jun 04 20:42:42 mkdir /mnt/root; mount -w /dev/sda3 /mnt/root Jun 04 20:42:43 i believe i did not have a separate boot partition Jun 04 20:42:55 then do "ls -lR /boot" to a pastebin Jun 04 20:42:58 maybe chainloading would be easier in this case Jun 04 20:43:02 odin_: i'd do that, except sda3 is ext4 Jun 04 20:43:12 can' t be mounted in meego Jun 04 20:44:26 odin_: if we can easily chainload to /dev/sda3, that's certainly acceptable Jun 04 20:44:37 does the machine bootup into MeeGo (without require some kind of intervention ? i.e. automatically) Jun 04 20:44:43 yes Jun 04 20:44:53 no ignore chainload info Jun 04 20:45:02 need "ls -lR /boot" output in pastey Jun 04 20:48:46 are you there ? Jun 04 20:48:54 odin_: http://pastebin.ca/1877481 Jun 04 20:49:24 I'm going to guess you have a file /boot/extlinux/mbr.bak and I would guess if you write that to your MBR you can boot ubuntu Jun 04 20:49:44 but you'd need a backup plan just in case you hose your bootup, if you do that Jun 04 20:50:17 it also looks like the file doesn't cover the partition table info, so that would need to be merged to use mbr.bak Jun 04 20:52:09 ok there is no ubuntu kernel anywhere, so since you can't mount ext4 (to check the ubuntu rootfs into /boot there) and MeeGo doesn't provide a kernel-modules-addon-pack :) for ext4 support Jun 04 20:52:15 and you don't have a working grub installed, you are best trying to do anything from a ubuntu rescue disk Jun 04 20:52:56 if the ubuntu rootfs /boot dir is empty, then you annihilated your ubuntu kernels, hopefully it is not empty, but contains a working grub Jun 04 20:53:30 odin_: how do you suggest i proceed after i've booted into ubuntu? Jun 04 20:53:56 sjokkis, check the /dev/sda3 by mounting it, then look in /boot, you hope it is not empty Jun 04 20:54:08 and then? Jun 04 20:54:22 sjokkis, if it is not empty, you can reactivate ubuntu grub from rescue disk, then reboot into ubuntu Jun 04 20:54:34 how would i get into meego after that? Jun 04 20:54:44 sjokkis, then make MeeGo boot by editing Ubuntu's grub.conf Jun 04 20:54:51 sjokkis, but if you find /boot empty Jun 04 20:55:16 sjokkis, then you have lost your ubunto /boot (maybe via reformat of /boot in sda1 during MeeGo install) Jun 04 20:55:38 sda1 had another distro. i deleted sda1 manually before installing meego to that space Jun 04 20:55:48 sjokkis, and you'd need to recover the ubunto kernels and initrd, maybe by reinstalling (with force options) the kernel package from ubuntu Jun 04 20:56:01 sjokkis, then there is great hope that sda3 has a /boot which is not empty Jun 04 20:56:04 boot a recovery and chroot to your ubuntu Jun 04 20:56:09 and run update-grub Jun 04 20:56:18 roger Jun 04 20:56:21 hopefully that's enough, sometimes it isn't though Jun 04 20:56:58 it probably will be, in this case Jun 04 21:33:10 sigh Jun 04 21:33:23 man i am fucking tired of seeing meego components i can't touch yet Jun 04 21:33:29 (MeeGo Tablet) Jun 04 21:37:24 language, language Jun 04 21:37:38 ... Jun 04 21:37:43 :) Jun 04 21:37:56 that was too mild language Jun 04 21:37:59 you need to curse more Jun 04 21:38:12 just sick and tired of seeing all these demos and press releases pop up Jun 04 21:38:47 as a developer and researcher, this is more than frustrating. Jun 04 21:38:50 but i've been over this before. Jun 04 21:38:55 again and again. Jun 04 21:39:07 I know. Jun 04 21:39:20 the tablet stuff is just a demo right now Jun 04 21:39:28 fine Jun 04 21:39:32 drop the code somewhere Jun 04 21:39:36 so we can expand upon it Jun 04 21:39:46 Then don't call it MeeGo Jun 04 21:39:52 MeeGo is open Jun 04 21:39:55 Hmm I think getting an OBS on its feet is even more of an issue Jun 04 21:39:59 ok, don't shoot the messenger here Jun 04 21:40:01 TSCHAKeee2, that's not EXCITING, though. :P Jun 04 21:40:03 DawnFoster: this is becoming more and more of a pattern. Jun 04 21:40:14 you guys know that I am trying to get things in the open Jun 04 21:40:18 Marketing wins either way Jun 04 21:40:19 i know. Jun 04 21:40:22 with an OBS everyone can then contribute, by taking a package and making it available for others Jun 04 21:40:30 I don't make those decisions & I bug people about this all the time Jun 04 21:40:32 Big showy reveals and a mantra of "open" Jun 04 21:40:52 DawnFoster: no shooting ... take our comments as supportive ammunition when you go into battle.. ;) Jun 04 21:40:59 :) Jun 04 21:41:12 if this continues, i'll just open another project that we all can contribute code to, for tablet work Jun 04 21:41:13 XChat crash Jun 04 21:41:16 cool Jun 04 21:41:17 we've at least got some of the pieces Jun 04 21:41:21 DawnFoster: You are not being shot at, you are the gun with which we shoot ;) Jun 04 21:41:24 the more we bitch and moan the more you can say "they're bitching and moaning" Jun 04 21:41:25 mcompositor, etc. Jun 04 21:42:03 odin_: did you catch the irc log from the application meeting on wednesday? Jun 04 21:42:13 I just wish somebody besides the messengers would be available for shooting for once. Jun 04 21:42:33 it really just made all the blood vessels in my head explode when i came back from computex Jun 04 21:42:34 TSCHAKeee2, go submit some patches to Modest so we have more ammo. :P Jun 04 21:42:36 and was like AAAAGGHHHH :P Jun 04 21:42:48 TSCHAKeee2: have you managed to get mcompositor working with any degree of success? Jun 04 21:42:56 all the times i've experimented with it it's been pretty horribly broken Jun 04 21:42:58 still trying to get it to build Jun 04 21:43:19 that too Jun 04 21:43:23 i suspect there may be some missing extensions in qt... Jun 04 21:43:29 lbt, I read it in realtime (the CAT meeting at 17:30), still waiting on hardware, then we'll be waiting for it to be installed, and then waiting for it to be configured, then we begin the real issues of dealing with operational matters (I see this taking a few months to settle), can only hope it will wont take too much time Jun 04 21:43:44 *nod* Jun 04 21:43:44 TSCHAKeee2: what do you get atm? Jun 04 21:44:00 jack shit, what do you get? Jun 04 21:44:02 ;) Jun 04 21:44:38 right now, i'm going through a process of pouring through qt's gitorious repository Jun 04 21:44:43 finding pieces to assemble. Jun 04 21:44:53 odin_: I'm doing what I can to make sure we're ready to roll when we get the HW Jun 04 21:45:09 the frustration is that you get jack and you can contribute jack (due to particular community blockages), while Intel/Nokia appear to not have their hands tied Jun 04 21:45:45 not just intel/nokia, but the hardware vendors building moorestown stuff too Jun 04 21:45:58 what about if I just hire some cloud computing boxes off AWS and stick up something up for the crack Jun 04 21:46:06 there are whoooole islands of code....elsewhere. Jun 04 21:46:07 odin_: I tried Jun 04 21:46:12 OBS in 30 minutes on AWS Jun 04 21:46:19 not a secure one Jun 04 21:46:27 yikes, AWS is expeeeensiiiive Jun 04 21:46:32 the problem is you can't nest xen Jun 04 21:46:49 and we need to run OS workers inside xen VMs Jun 04 21:46:51 lbt, yes, only spawn instances and then only with AMI images Jun 04 21:47:05 * TSCHAKeee2 had to offload stuff for a client onto a cloud of AWS machines, and then looked at the bill the next month Jun 04 21:47:05 lbt, yes Xen should work ok Jun 04 21:47:36 (or kvm fwiw) Jun 04 21:48:07 I am sadly lacking some storage, I have vmware boxen with space CPU/RAM just not storage Jun 04 21:48:30 we have a maemo.org machine Jun 04 21:48:32 so if anyone has a ~8K EUR in their back pocket, lol Jun 04 21:48:36 it's a 16 core box Jun 04 21:49:10 I'm hoping to get that opened up RSN ... but clearly it's only for small-scale work Jun 04 21:50:09 what produces the directory listing of the repo.meego.com ? Jun 04 21:50:17 I'd like to work out some processes for application support http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2010/05/community-building-for-maemo-and-meego.html Jun 04 21:50:41 I really really would like it if every *.rpm has a button next to it, that dumped all the packge info, contents directroy listing, MD5SUM of files and stuff Jun 04 21:51:15 just generate the text files and store them with each RPM Jun 04 21:51:19 odin_: in my nokia role we're working on a thingy called grasp Jun 04 21:51:26 which is a release reporter Jun 04 21:51:42 it shows changelog diffs and that kind of thing Jun 04 21:51:58 for RPM packages ? Jun 04 21:52:02 it may be worth adding some of that to it too Jun 04 21:52:10 actually for src.rpm Jun 04 21:52:44 I don't know if you can determine rpm from src.rpm Jun 04 21:53:26 also in the later on an rpmfind kind of search for repo.meego.com Jun 04 21:54:05 I think meego will tend to operate at a higher level Jun 04 21:54:27 the rpms as such will probably be hidden from normal usage Jun 04 21:54:43 you mean, "I think MeeGo users will operate at a higher level because they will use nice GUI package managers" ? Jun 04 21:54:51 almost Jun 04 21:54:59 yes I know that, this is for introspection and diagnostic Jun 04 21:55:10 I mean that web UIs etc will tend to focus at that level Jun 04 21:55:27 Guest74297: you can't hide... Jun 04 21:55:51 odin_: that'll still be fine from cli tools though? Jun 04 21:56:41 lbt, no I am thinking for manual browsing of the repo.meego.com website, a search tool to find files (basically) and RPM contents/headers/MD5 information to diagnose problems with users Jun 04 21:57:01 lbt, for example file corruption, exactly what is in what package, etc... Jun 04 21:57:11 the OBS will do much of that Jun 04 21:57:42 that's probably the place to extend too Jun 04 21:58:24 I know there's an MXR project too Jun 04 21:58:26 either way I can see it being problematic to use as it is, i.e. user has problem, sorry can't help as I CBF to download the RPM and look at it for you Jun 04 21:59:44 I suppose... maye I'm just used to .deb not needing that so much ;) Jun 04 22:00:23 I have always been Red Hat user and never really got off on the Debian way of life Jun 04 22:00:49 so somewhat glad of the choice Jun 04 22:01:39 Red Hat <> CentOS <> Fedora is just perfect, can have my cake and eat it Jun 04 22:02:05 * lbt shudders Jun 04 22:04:23 hmmh Jun 04 22:05:06 ok. now I have meego development environment in my "real" laptop, but I can launch and debug applications so that they'll run in my netbook Jun 04 22:05:09 that's quite ok Jun 04 22:08:19 does meego have any tools available for making bootable usb sticks from iso images? Jun 04 22:08:32 unetbootin? usb-creator? couldn't find either with yum Jun 04 22:08:54 sjokkis, you back on Ubuntu yet? Jun 04 22:09:04 nah. gotta make this bootable stick now Jun 04 22:09:22 i have a second machine i could do that on. just wanted to know if meego had software for it Jun 04 22:10:49 sjokkis, check out the repo yourself at http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/core/repos/ia32/packages/ Jun 04 22:14:28 is there a way to get an on screen keyboard on the meego netbook version? Jun 04 22:32:14 nite all, sweet dreams Jun 04 22:40:18 arjan, arjan_ ping ? Jun 04 22:41:16 odin_: pull his tail, that will get his attention Jun 04 23:03:40 robster: I found a little oops in meego-moblin-myzone, the test-mailme has lost all it's output, which makes the test apps a bit useless Jun 04 23:04:27 robster: I wrote a patch to revert that http://bit.ly/cwzFTv Jun 04 23:54:28 hi, I'm looking around for a cross-arm gcc rpm, and all I found was arm-gp2x-linux-gcc from fedora. Jun 04 23:54:50 Is that what's being used? Or some other rpm? Or are builds for arm done only through qemu? Jun 05 00:24:48 so I installed meego on netbook. no terminal? where's package manager? Jun 05 00:27:33 oh nevermind I'm such a tafford with these easy to use guis Jun 05 00:59:53 hey Jun 05 01:00:04 what app is used to configure my internet accounts? Jun 05 01:00:07 I dont get it Jun 05 01:25:15 Hi, #MeeGo. Does WPA2 work? I was having trouble getting a key to work in the GUI back in the Moblin days. Jun 05 01:35:04 I'll check the logs, if anyone has an answer. Thanks. Jun 05 02:10:29 remo_williams: I'm using MeeGo Netbook with WPA2 + PSK without any problem **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jun 05 02:59:57 2010