**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 05 02:59:57 2010
Jun 05 05:49:04 <Xcalibar> MeeGo is great ! i love your PROJECT :D
Jun 05 05:49:50 <Xcalibar> with my lg x130 it works perfectly fine , but with my lg x110 it cant detect the wifi ive tried the tutorial on compiling the realtek drivers but still no luck
Jun 05 09:41:11 <sx0n|home> i am trying to run widgetsgallery from meegotouch but it complains that i have not installed meegotouchtheme package although i have duitheme package installed. which is the correct theme package to install?
Jun 05 09:44:10 <Quu> maybe its the meegotouchtheme?
Jun 05 10:01:34 <robster> stormer: doh!
Jun 05 10:01:48 <robster> stormer: mail me and i'll sort it out on monday
Jun 05 11:35:14 <vic22__> hello! it is possible to install audio/video codecs and some software like openoffice, skype or dropbox into meego?
Jun 05 11:38:02 <vic22__> is there someone? :S
Jun 05 11:48:41 <centoslinux> Hi
Jun 05 11:48:50 <centoslinux> what's the su password for live image?
Jun 05 11:51:10 <Termana> Should be "meego" - without quotation
Jun 05 11:51:28 <centoslinux> thx!!!
Jun 05 11:51:47 <centoslinux> cool
Jun 05 11:54:44 <centoslinux> wooow
Jun 05 11:55:07 <centoslinux> Meego live image just rocks on my 32" LCS
Jun 05 11:55:10 <centoslinux> LCD*
Jun 05 11:55:20 <centoslinux> sooo impressive !!!
Jun 05 11:55:41 <centoslinux> everything i've tested works like a shine
Jun 05 13:13:19 <VLJ> hi
Jun 05 13:13:41 <VLJ> I would like to know...is there some kind of "testing version" of meego atm ?
Jun 05 13:13:59 <VLJ> i would like to extract the poulsbo drivers that may be included in the kernel of such a version
Jun 05 13:26:50 <smoku> VLJ: why don't you go to http://meego.com/ and read the first news?
Jun 05 13:28:38 <VLJ> because netbook core does not support poulsbo
Jun 05 13:29:24 <VLJ> (drivers are not included)
Jun 05 13:30:26 <VLJ> by the way nobody has found a hack to make meego run on nvidia cards ?
Jun 05 13:31:48 <pupnik_> that kind of bites
Jun 05 13:32:08 <pupnik_> im sure it will be fixed sooner or later
Jun 05 13:32:36 <VLJ> yep
Jun 05 15:29:45 <mjkgs> Does anyone know where/how in MeeGo to configure the touchpad on an eeepc 901?
Jun 05 15:37:22 <mjkgs> I ust realized I can installk gconf-editor... Maybe I can find something about the settings for the touchpad there...
Jun 05 15:55:04 <mjkgs> Indeed, in gconf-editor I could choose scroll_method for touchpad between disabled,edge scrolling and two-finger scrolling. It didn't, however, actually change the behaviour of the touchpad. :(
Jun 05 21:04:33 <TurboVomit> hi
Jun 05 21:04:53 <TurboVomit> meego is really nice
Jun 05 21:05:08 <TurboVomit> but i can't install it on my eeepc 701
Jun 05 21:05:36 <TurboVomit> it crash when it install the boot
Jun 05 21:33:18 <pierissimo> hi all
Jun 05 21:34:03 <pierissimo> a question, i tried to run meego 1.0 on my laptop, equipped with an ati radeon that need radeon module
Jun 05 21:34:13 <pierissimo> have i to manually load it?
Jun 05 21:36:02 * TSCHAKeee2 laughs
Jun 05 21:36:09 <TSCHAKeee2> pierissimo: thank you for reading the system requirements
Jun 05 21:36:39 <TSCHAKeee2> pierissimo: MeeGo 1.0 for Netbooks is for Atom based Netbooks with Intel GPUs
Jun 05 21:36:50 <TSCHAKeee2> pierissimo: any other configuration is not supportable.
Jun 05 21:36:54 <TSCHAKeee2> so
Jun 05 21:37:05 <TSCHAKeee2> if you're wanting to load a module to handle your card, you're on your own.
Jun 05 21:37:07 <pierissimo> i run it in a celerom processor
Jun 05 21:37:12 <TSCHAKeee2> thanks
Jun 05 21:37:13 <pierissimo> *celeron
Jun 05 21:37:15 <TSCHAKeee2> -The Management
Jun 05 21:37:26 <TSCHAKeee2> pierissimo: that won't work either
Jun 05 21:37:29 <TSCHAKeee2> again
Jun 05 21:37:33 <TSCHAKeee2> thank you for reading the system requirements.
Jun 05 21:37:38 <pierissimo> no, a moment
Jun 05 21:37:56 <pierissimo> I tried meego on a celeron processor, end it works
Jun 05 21:38:07 <pierissimo> celeron it's not atom
Jun 05 21:38:23 <TSCHAKeee2> then the celeron in question had SSSE3 support
Jun 05 21:38:34 <pierissimo> ok, thanx
Jun 05 21:38:35 <TSCHAKeee2> however, please listen to me
Jun 05 21:38:44 <pierissimo> and sorry if i am annoing
Jun 05 21:38:55 <pierissimo> ciao
Jun 05 21:38:58 <TSCHAKeee2> WE DO NOT SUPPORT ANY OTHER CONFIGURATION THAN ATOM CPU'S WITH AN INTEL GPU.
Jun 05 21:39:01 <TSCHAKeee2> ciao.
Jun 05 21:39:39 * TSCHAKeee2 shakes head.
Jun 05 21:39:57 <lcuk> TSCHAKeee2, but intel atoms with intel chipsets are also not the only requirement
Jun 05 21:40:11 <TSCHAKeee2> what else?
Jun 05 21:40:21 <lcuk> isnt there a problem with powervr type GPUs?
Jun 05 21:40:34 <TSCHAKeee2> ah, the GMA500 stuff
Jun 05 21:40:44 <TSCHAKeee2> yeah.
Jun 05 21:46:15 <FAMM> Hi...
Jun 05 21:46:25 <FAMM> Hola
Jun 05 21:47:00 <CosmoHill> hi
Jun 05 21:47:05 <FAMM> meego soports .. flashplayer?
Jun 05 21:48:42 <FAMM> meego soports .. flashplayer?
Jun 05 21:51:11 <FAMM> .....
Jun 05 21:51:22 <CosmoHill> supports*
Jun 05 21:51:34 <CosmoHill> I think it does as there is an adobe repo
Jun 05 21:51:46 <CosmoHill> but not having tried meego myself I can't confirm that
Jun 05 21:52:36 <FAMM> and meego? have emesene i the repos?
Jun 05 21:53:26 <FAMM> and meego? have emesene i the repos?
Jun 05 21:55:36 <CosmoHill> you don't have to repeat yourself
Jun 05 21:55:50 <CosmoHill> FAMM: can you not use youtube.com?
Jun 05 21:55:57 <CosmoHill> to see if flash is installed
Jun 05 21:57:32 <FAMM> im in ubuntu...
Jun 05 21:57:49 <FAMM> jejejje
Jun 05 21:58:03 <CosmoHill> you're dutch?
Jun 05 21:59:05 <FAMM> mmm yes...
Jun 05 22:45:06 <TSCHAKeee2> chromium seems to leak memory like a sieve
Jun 05 22:45:17 <TSCHAKeee2> it has completely engulfed my swap space
Jun 05 22:45:41 <TSCHAKeee2> (which, it only allocated 256MB of swap, for my 2G of RAM in this netbook, who the hell decided that one?)
Jun 05 22:46:22 <CosmoHill> TSCHAKeee2: that would explain why people have talked about problem have more than 3 tabs open
Jun 05 22:49:51 <TSCHAKeee2> increasing the swap would help the problem some
Jun 05 22:50:08 <TSCHAKeee2> but there still is the underlying problem of chrome leaking like a screen door on a submarine
Jun 05 22:50:11 <thiago_home> only postpone it
Jun 05 22:50:44 <TSCHAKeee2> indeed.
Jun 05 22:51:27 <TSCHAKeee2> not to mention, i've stopped using the web tab, because it randomly decides to die.
Jun 05 22:57:28 <facet> stupid question, would i use mkisofs to convert ---------------------------------------
Jun 05 22:57:31 <facet>  [18:57] [facet(+Zi)] [5:freenode/#meego(+cnt)] [Act: 4]
Jun 05 22:57:34 <facet> [#meego] stupid question, would i use mkisofs to convert
Jun 05 22:57:49 <facet> oops
Jun 05 22:58:55 <CosmoHill> you killed badone
Jun 05 22:59:00 <facet> would i use mkisofs to convert the img to iso? or do you guys provide an iso?
Jun 05 22:59:18 <facet> purely accidental :))
Jun 05 22:59:23 <CosmoHill> the .img file?
Jun 05 22:59:30 <facet> yes
Jun 05 22:59:37 <CosmoHill> the netbook one you download?
Jun 05 23:00:11 <CosmoHill> if so you can either burn it without changing the filenamr
Jun 05 23:00:19 <CosmoHill> or just rename it to .iso and burn it
Jun 05 23:00:47 <facet> CosmoHill: perfect thank you kindly
Jun 05 23:06:28 <damjan> I'm just trying to use meego 1.0 on my Asus eeePC 701 (4G Surf) ... but most apps die with "Illegal instruction (core dump)"
Jun 05 23:10:47 * timeless_mbp seems to recall the 701 being listed as unsupported
Jun 05 23:10:50 * timeless_mbp has one
Jun 05 23:10:58 <timeless_mbp> (it's sitting around at the office waiting for someone to try it)
Jun 05 23:13:43 <damjan> the 701 has a Celeron CPU, is meego specially crafted only for Atom cpus??
Jun 05 23:17:21 <damjan> the installation failed when installing the bootloader on the 701 too
Jun 05 23:18:54 <t_s_o> intel probably want those pre-atom netbooks to die a quick death
Jun 05 23:20:34 <damjan> the 701 has a Celeron CPU, is meego specially crafted only for Atom cpus??
Jun 05 23:20:40 <damjan> the installation failed when installing the bootloader on the 701 too
Jun 05 23:20:50 <TSCHAKeee2> damjan: dude
Jun 05 23:20:51 <damjan> had to boot again from usb, mount the flash drive and chroot it .. but then there was no grub installed (it seems), so I had to setup extlinux
Jun 05 23:21:08 <TSCHAKeee2> damjan: did you even bother reading the system requirements?
Jun 05 23:21:10 <damjan> now it boots, the desktop shows, but many applications core dump. chromium for one
Jun 05 23:21:22 <TSCHAKeee2> AT ALL?
Jun 05 23:21:35 * TSCHAKeee2 facepalms
Jun 05 23:22:00 * TSCHAKeee2 thwaps damjan on the head. HARD.
Jun 05 23:22:03 <damjan> TSCHAKeee2: why is it so unusual for meego to work on the 701?
Jun 05 23:22:22 <damjan> it's not that the Atom is 10 generation ahead of this Celeron
Jun 05 23:22:35 <TSCHAKeee2> damjan: because the kernel, and many of the underlying bits of code are compiled for SSSE3 support
Jun 05 23:23:09 <damjan> TSCHAKeee2: now that's not something I've found
Jun 05 23:23:12 <TSCHAKeee2> damjan: MeeGo requires an atom cpu, with an Intel GPU. This is what is officially supported. Period. End of Story. It is said over and over and over and over and over and over again
Jun 05 23:23:23 <Vortiago> TSCHAKeee2, considering the SDK worked despite the sys-req that it was posted with worked, I can see why they don't read them.
Jun 05 23:23:32 <Vortiago> *- one worked
Jun 05 23:23:53 <TSCHAKeee2> Vortiago: it just amazes me, really. It's made incredibly clear what platform this is supposed to run on
Jun 05 23:24:00 <TSCHAKeee2> and that it's ONLY supported on that platform
Jun 05 23:24:20 <damjan> actually it works on ARM too :)
Jun 05 23:24:31 <TSCHAKeee2> damjan: sigh. a smartass.
Jun 05 23:24:37 * TSCHAKeee2 thwaps damjan again for being an idiot.
Jun 05 23:24:41 <Vortiago> hehe
Jun 05 23:24:48 <damjan> btw, the kernel boots and works fine
Jun 05 23:24:51 <damjan> even X works
Jun 05 23:24:54 <TSCHAKeee2> dude
Jun 05 23:24:57 <TSCHAKeee2> DUDE
Jun 05 23:25:01 <TSCHAKeee2> APPS are segfaulting
Jun 05 23:25:04 <damjan> so it's not true that everything requires SSE3
Jun 05 23:25:11 <TSCHAKeee2> that is an indication THAT THINGS ARE NOT OKAY
Jun 05 23:25:19 <TSCHAKeee2> you're being an idiot.
Jun 05 23:25:27 <TSCHAKeee2> and missing the point.
Jun 05 23:25:50 <TSCHAKeee2> when the code completely gets dropped into the public, if you REALLY WANT TO, go ahead, and build everything from scratch, to not require SSSE3
Jun 05 23:25:53 <TSCHAKeee2> and then it will work
Jun 05 23:26:03 <TSCHAKeee2> and then you can distribute it
Jun 05 23:26:05 <damjan> that's what I want to try
Jun 05 23:26:17 <damjan> and that's why I came here
Jun 05 23:26:21 <TSCHAKeee2> not all the code is in the open yet.
Jun 05 23:26:30 <damjan> you don;t need to insult imidiatelly
Jun 05 23:26:35 <TSCHAKeee2> keep an eye on the repositories.
Jun 05 23:27:12 <damjan> what I'm trying to understand is which components require atom/sse3
Jun 05 23:27:53 * TSCHAKeee2 needs to reboot core, brb.
Jun 05 23:27:55 <arjan_> damjan: we tell the compiler that core2 is the minimum level cpu
Jun 05 23:28:09 <arjan_> if you use floating point, the compiler will then sometimes use ssse3
Jun 05 23:29:27 <damjan> hm, I wonder if I download firefox if it will work
Jun 05 23:39:30 <damjan> mozilla firefox seems to work.. the ui fonts are huge though :)
Jun 05 23:42:28 <damjan> now.. how do I get rid of this meego status bar (or what is it?)
Jun 05 23:42:37 <CosmoHill> arjan_: I'm assuming we can download all the src.rpm files, change the configuration / CFLAGS if needed and recompile them all
Jun 05 23:42:47 <CosmoHill> then create a new image via the kickstart file?
Jun 05 23:43:39 <arjan_> yep
Jun 05 23:43:57 <arjan_> it's a lot of work, that's why we don't do it
Jun 05 23:44:01 <arjan_> but you can do it if you have the time
Jun 05 23:44:04 <CosmoHill> now all I need is a cluster, distcc, a cross-compiler and a clue
Jun 05 23:44:47 <damjan> is there a way to have 2 keyboard layouts, and switch them??
Jun 05 23:45:43 <CosmoHill> arjan_: if you're interested, I can't get the chroot env to work on a core 2 duo with nvidia graphics
Jun 05 23:45:48 <CosmoHill> something about clutter failing to start
Jun 05 23:58:05 <CosmoHill> there is a thunder storm heading towards me so I might go offline
Jun 05 23:58:10 <brokensys> hi all, was looking at Android and found links to Meego ... will/is Meego going to be a serious contender for cross-platform/device content delivery against Android?
Jun 06 00:01:51 <markatto> brokensys: It certainly aims to be.
Jun 06 00:03:23 <brokensys> markatto: hi, sorry for cynicism but plety of things aim to be ... what will make Meego different? By not being Google, by being backed by Itel and Nokia?
Jun 06 00:03:43 <brokensys> ... trying to make an informed choice ... easy to jump on the Goolg ebandwagon
Jun 06 00:04:10 <brokensys> gah, my typing is poor today
Jun 06 00:05:03 <markatto> brokensys: well nobody can predict the future, obviously
Jun 06 00:05:12 <brokensys> and another significant issue is that I live in NZ, our choice of bleeding edge hardware, as in Open Source capable tech is extremely limited
Jun 06 00:05:29 <markatto> I think that meego's main appeal is that it's closer to a conventional linux system
Jun 06 00:06:00 <markatto> IE it has an X server and can theoretically run "normal" linux software
Jun 06 00:06:41 <brokensys> fair point, i like the Android concept but are concerned about the impending channel/device lockin that may occur ... which will make Google similar to Apple, whom I dislike
Jun 06 00:06:49 <markatto> It also doesn't have a lot of android's weirdness, for example the android security model is unusual
Jun 06 00:08:13 <brokensys> ok, not aware of security model weirdness
Jun 06 00:09:08 <markatto> every single app runs as it's own user
Jun 06 00:09:18 <brokensys> ah!
Jun 06 00:10:04 <brokensys> so they would need kerberos or similar to see all apps are allowed to run?
Jun 06 00:10:27 <markatto> I don't know exactly how everything is implemented
Jun 06 00:10:32 <brokensys> anyway reading http://wiki.meego.com => very interesting, will sign up
Jun 06 00:10:40 <markatto> also, android is mostly java-based
Jun 06 00:10:58 <markatto> I'd much rather write with pyqt than java
Jun 06 00:11:37 <brokensys> k, ah Meego is pygt? neat, java confuses me
Jun 06 00:11:48 <arjan_> brokensys: no
Jun 06 00:11:51 <arjan_> meego is not pyqt
Jun 06 00:11:55 <markatto> it is qt
Jun 06 00:11:59 <markatto> use whatever bindings you want
Jun 06 00:12:00 <arjan_> meego is MANY things :)
Jun 06 00:12:05 <arjan_> if you like python, use python
Jun 06 00:12:13 <arjan_> if you like perl.. well your poison to chose ;)
Jun 06 00:12:15 <arjan_> or C++
Jun 06 00:12:23 <brokensys> ah right, got it
Jun 06 00:12:24 <markatto> I'm pretty sure some GTK stuff is being used
Jun 06 00:12:27 <arjan_> javascript qt bindings are also being worked on
Jun 06 00:12:30 <markatto> but you're "supposed" to use qt
Jun 06 00:13:24 <brokensys> i like the SDK gives you a virtual dev platform ... much better than device emulators
Jun 06 00:13:48 <arjan_> meego is for a bit more diversity I suppose
Jun 06 00:13:54 <arjan_> from phone to car to tv to .. to ..
Jun 06 00:14:27 <brokensys> yeah wel, about time someone too the big picture (besides google) and look at interoperability of apps
Jun 06 00:14:33 <markatto> in theory, I don't know how much UI work has gone into other platforms
Jun 06 00:14:42 <brokensys> well* took*
Jun 06 00:15:18 <brokensys> so as a non-developer but  100% net/gadget head, where do you think i could make a contribution to Meego?
Jun 06 00:15:31 <markatto> the main appeal to me is that meego has a familiar userland
Jun 06 00:15:43 <markatto> from the point of view of a linux developer
Jun 06 00:16:17 <brokensys> markatto: i see the benefit of that
Jun 06 00:17:23 <brokensys> as i mentioned up above, open source-based or capable gadgets are few and far between both here in NZ and AU, so i wonder if this will impact on Meego adoption ... although we really are insignificant markets
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