**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 06 02:59:56 2010 Jun 06 04:40:22 * ZogG is away: in the army for a week Jun 06 07:50:18 hm. seems that meegotouchtheme and meegotouch are installed in different base path by default install config. Jun 06 07:51:06 /usr/local vs. /usr Jun 06 07:51:30 taken from git repository Jun 06 07:57:33 heh, with Finnish locale widgets gallery is called "vekotinnäyttely" Jun 06 07:57:52 but at least it started Jun 06 08:16:03 morn Jun 06 08:26:34 Morning, all Jun 06 08:27:44 mornign Jaffa Jun 06 08:27:47 Jaffa: what'sup? Jun 06 08:38:33 does MeeGo have CD/DVD images? I only see usb images on the website Jun 06 08:38:51 chickaroo: most netbooks don't have CD/DVD drives - what would be the point? Jun 06 08:39:00 Robot101: oh, but PC's do :) Jun 06 08:39:27 they have USB ports too though Jun 06 08:39:39 sivang: there's quite a bit of momentum in the apps area now Jun 06 08:39:48 community apps I mean Jun 06 08:39:58 and a fair bit of interest in the QA process Jun 06 08:40:21 building on the Extras-devel->extras-testing->extras in maemo Jun 06 08:40:55 we have community personnel issues though... not enough of them Jun 06 08:41:25 Robot101: i'm trying to test drive this in virtualbox, but I don't see an option to mount a usb image. any idea what I can do? Jun 06 08:41:40 lbt: right, so I have ideas how to engage and gather more community. I have to find time to work on that wiki page and add some more stuff there. Jun 06 08:41:50 currently at work, sunday is a regular work day in .IL Jun 06 08:42:02 heh Jun 06 08:42:34 also we will have release timing issues and scoping issues Jun 06 08:42:39 lbt: yes, I think it actually makes the weekend shorter and so leaves much less time to work on outside work projects. Jun 06 08:42:51 hmm nevermind i see a wiki page for getting this to work in virtualbox :) Jun 06 08:42:53 we don't know what releases there will be... Jun 06 08:43:16 lbt: yes, so for release timing we have to be strict, I think we should be stircter on features in favor of QA and after a year of releases to ease off and trade it off a bit. Jun 06 08:43:17 will the community release anything for the Joggler? what about x86 laptops Jun 06 08:43:29 * sivang googles Joggler Jun 06 08:44:11 again though... don't forget that frankly, the core QA is being handled by the current maintainers and Intel/Nokia Jun 06 08:44:32 lbt: I do, I keep reminded of that :-) Jun 06 08:44:58 so a more likely area to get traction is the community apps area Jun 06 08:45:02 lbt: Why did you mention this actually? Is this a hindrence or just makes the process more conservative and less open ? Jun 06 08:45:25 having demonstrated competence and results on community apps we'll get that pushed into core Jun 06 08:45:30 lbt: so given that, what can someone do to help if he witnesses internal QA is far from enough. Jun 06 08:45:38 report bugs Jun 06 08:46:06 establish an external QA review framework Jun 06 08:46:15 "communicate" Jun 06 08:47:39 lbt: sure, but the also we're gonna have to have someone internal to breach the gap between reporter and developer - I'm actually cluesless as to how to proceed after reading the responses to: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9089 Jun 06 08:47:40 Bug 9089: Upgrading Maemo itself (nokia official recommended upgrade) failed with "no enough space" on target device. Jun 06 08:47:53 lbt: and you won't believe how many people come to me a day and complain about this. Jun 06 08:48:06 lbt: "I don't want to read wiki pages to upgrade my phone!" Jun 06 08:49:04 I actually agree with it :) Jun 06 08:49:20 If you enabled extras-devel then you're at wiki-reading time Jun 06 08:49:46 lbt: so this never happens if you don't enable extras-devel ? Jun 06 08:49:54 correct Jun 06 08:49:56 they simply cannot afford to support a linux OS Jun 06 08:50:24 if it does then that is a bug Jun 06 08:50:43 and it's a *huge* design cockup in the n900 anyway ;) Jun 06 08:50:44 lbt: My understanding is this is a space issue, as in free filesystem space Jun 06 08:51:00 lbt: I did not really understand why this couldn't happen with "official" apps. Jun 06 08:51:06 optification Jun 06 08:51:11 ahhh Jun 06 08:51:12 okay Jun 06 08:51:27 so at least all official apps are optified. Jun 06 08:51:33 now there are other issues... Jun 06 08:51:39 like? Jun 06 08:51:41 the dpkg caches are not on /opt Jun 06 08:51:45 At least you got to explain that. Jun 06 08:51:47 and they're *huge* Jun 06 08:51:58 for a small device Jun 06 08:52:12 so the new 'ppa-like' approach may help with that Jun 06 08:52:32 lbt: right, some folks over here changed that manually using symlinks and toher hacks. Jun 06 08:52:34 we have dynamic Package files which show only packages/deps for installed apps Jun 06 08:52:41 lbt: what's the new-ppa like approach ? Jun 06 08:53:01 http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service/Application_QA_Process Jun 06 08:55:09 lbt: ah nice, is there more on that on the maemo wiki or the meego one? Jun 06 08:55:27 I should x-link Jun 06 08:56:35 lbt: yes, once you x-link everything under the same page, I can go over all of ti and add my cents to. Jun 06 08:56:51 try the parent to that page Jun 06 08:58:24 http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service ? Jun 06 08:58:30 okay, yes it has some more stuff. Jun 06 08:59:29 lbt: have you also been with Ubuntu for a while? ('here be dragons, PPAs ;)) Jun 06 08:59:59 heh, I'm a debian bod really... and not that deep Jun 06 09:00:41 I found the PPA terminology though and figured I should not re-invent Jun 06 09:00:56 cool :) Jun 06 09:01:12 hey timeless_mbp Jun 06 09:01:36 lbt: so , given your propopsal, all is left to gather community of testers around? Jun 06 09:01:48 (trying to figure my funtion in all of this) Jun 06 09:04:01 re that bug, I do hope that all the official pkgs are optified as to not creating this space issue Jun 06 09:04:13 I wonder then why people had to uninstall firefox as well Jun 06 09:04:15 err Jun 06 09:04:18 not firefox, Jun 06 09:04:24 Microb Jun 06 09:04:29 to get the upgrde rolling Jun 06 09:04:36 * sivang checks the microb package Jun 06 09:05:29 the other thing is that productisation is not our remit Jun 06 09:05:41 the community won't be able to test that Jun 06 09:07:22 lbt: define 'productisation' Jun 06 09:07:59 a commercial product release Jun 06 09:08:24 a company takes a snapshot of meego, takes it inside and polishes it for delivery on a device Jun 06 09:08:32 lbt: ah yes, like Nokia for example. Jun 06 09:08:37 or intel Jun 06 09:08:38 yup Jun 06 09:08:42 true Jun 06 09:08:54 I shouldn't say "inside" Jun 06 09:09:05 because that's not strictly required Jun 06 09:09:11 but they will fork Jun 06 09:09:21 well, that I have to communicate to Nokians since I Have special interest in helping the polish of the 'productized' stuff. Jun 06 09:09:57 lbt: so there should probably be a scheme for easily snapshotting a release and enable the vendor to publish back his changes should they benefit the greater community Jun 06 09:10:12 oh for sure there is/will be Jun 06 09:10:54 Nokia has no interest in fixing bugs/polishing meego and not releasing it back 'properly' Jun 06 09:11:01 doesn't make financial sense Jun 06 09:11:48 although... part of MeeGo's job is to make sure the economics stack up Jun 06 09:12:07 ie the QA and feedback process is efficient Jun 06 09:12:43 right. Jun 06 09:13:00 so keep up economics means efficient and better screening QA. Jun 06 09:13:44 mmm ... more allowing QA to operate efficiently I think Jun 06 09:13:48 eg automation Jun 06 09:14:53 gday Jun 06 09:14:58 right, so we have to stictly follow a guideline for each app providn its tests in the package, so the autobuilder could run them Jun 06 09:15:00 lbt: how's the obs coming along? Jun 06 09:15:02 hi th0br0 Jun 06 09:15:16 I just built shopper on it Jun 06 09:15:21 cool. Jun 06 09:15:26 so it's working? :) Jun 06 09:15:29 we're working on getting the http access sorted Jun 06 09:15:45 the maemo and meego releases got in the way a bit Jun 06 09:15:50 k Jun 06 09:27:20 http://wiki.meego.com/Quality Jun 06 09:36:33 lbt: nice Jun 06 09:36:39 not mine Jun 06 09:36:52 lbt: so the package is till empty, and you guys gonna add the open sources tools from Nokia/Intel there? Jun 06 09:36:57 lbt: (in gitorious) Jun 06 09:37:37 * sivang wishes he had some more hours at the weekend. Jun 06 09:38:37 sivang: life/work balance... Jun 06 09:38:55 * lbt looks in a mirror and does a double take... Jun 06 09:38:58 lbt: yes.... Jun 06 09:39:01 hehe Jun 06 09:39:20 but yes; I understand so Jun 06 09:41:44 lbt: cool, so I'm interested in being the tutor or the educator to convey how to follow QA guidelines and help developers build packages that are in standard. Jun 06 09:42:08 that sounds really +ve Jun 06 09:46:02 duihome starts but gives empty/blank window on vbox, what should i do get there some content? Jun 06 09:46:46 ^meegotouch home Jun 06 14:37:15 does meego work on the asus eeepc 1005ha Jun 06 14:38:59 i am downloading the meego-netbook-ia32-1.0.20100524.1.img Jun 06 14:41:29 check the listed devices on the wiki page Jun 06 14:41:56 if it has SSSE3 support and an intel graphics cards (excp GMA500) then you can run meego Jun 06 14:42:12 seems it does and tried this last week, by dd the image to a usb device but it just gives a blank screen when i boot up from it Jun 06 14:42:37 i will try again Jun 06 14:42:43 do you get the boot loader? Jun 06 14:43:09 no i don't see grub or anything Jun 06 14:44:57 should be a blue screen with three options Jun 06 14:45:19 i am not seeing that Jun 06 14:45:28 have just looked at a youtube clip and don't get the same Jun 06 14:45:29 what processor do you have/ Jun 06 14:45:35 intel atom Jun 06 14:45:53 jibadeeha: I use the 1005ha a lot Jun 06 14:46:14 arjan_, did you dd the image to a flash usb device Jun 06 14:46:18 yes Jun 06 14:46:23 dd if= of=/dev/sdc Jun 06 14:46:27 (sdc in my case) Jun 06 14:46:29 interesting Jun 06 14:46:37 i think i passed bs=4096 or something Jun 06 14:46:41 skip that ;) Jun 06 14:47:10 okay sounds like that could be it Jun 06 14:47:12 will try it again Jun 06 14:47:53 also make sure you don't do "sdc1" but "sdc" Jun 06 14:48:02 (again, the "c" varies between machines) Jun 06 14:49:02 okay going to do that Jun 06 14:49:04 thanks for your help Jun 06 14:49:13 fingers crossed Jun 06 14:49:33 i think i also do sdc1 last time as well Jun 06 14:50:08 arjan_: how many computers do you have? Jun 06 14:50:24 I think there's about 15 in my cube at work Jun 06 14:50:43 mostly for "make MeeGo run on this" reasons Jun 06 14:51:09 where do you fit in the cubical? Jun 06 14:51:22 netbooks are not that big ;-) Jun 06 14:51:28 I also have a pretty good layout Jun 06 14:51:46 basically 2 desks... one desk for me, one as a workbench Jun 06 14:51:56 big stuff goes under the workbench, netbooks/etc on top of Jun 06 15:39:27 goodmorning meego.. Jun 06 15:39:51 i need root ( or sudo ) on my live to get grub2 running....(failed on install) Jun 06 15:40:28 root password anyone? Jun 06 15:40:54 "meego" Jun 06 15:41:23 thannks CosmoHill Jun 06 15:54:38 arjan_, thanks for your help earlier ... got meego installed now and working Jun 06 15:56:43 cool Jun 06 15:57:06 like meego, very slick Jun 06 15:57:16 interface looks so refined Jun 06 16:09:32 bluejeans: fwiw.. meego does not use grub or grub2, but syslinux Jun 06 16:11:09 fwiw? Jun 06 16:19:16 fwiw = for what it's worth Jun 06 16:19:23 (hi CosmoHill) Jun 06 16:19:34 (hi) Jun 06 16:19:37 (thank you) Jun 06 16:19:54 :) Jun 06 16:38:32 does anyone know if there are known issues when installing Meego 1.0 on an EEEPC 901? It hangs at 'Performing post-installation filesystem changes' screen Jun 06 16:39:08 using default partition layout over sda and sdb Jun 06 16:45:59 I installed successfully on EeePC 901 yesterday... /boot on sda and / (root) on sdb Jun 06 16:46:30 ... /boot and swap on sda Jun 06 16:52:27 Sazius: Ok ta. I think it's a drive issue with my sdb. I've managed to install to sda alone. Jun 06 16:54:20 I have one annoyance though with 901 and Meego: it doesn't seem to have the synaptics driver, which means I cannot disable tapping on the touchpad... which is quite annoying... Jun 06 16:54:55 what driver does it use instead? Jun 06 16:56:00 I don't have it booted up at the momemnt, but I think it was just recognised as a normal PS/2 mouse Jun 06 16:56:44 hmm. I'll have a look shortly. Just going to see if I can find out what's wrong with my second drive :( Jun 06 16:58:08 my 901 is actually the WinXP model which has a smaller sdb if I remember correctly... probably not relevant information :) Jun 06 17:05:25 Any IRC client for meego? Jun 06 17:07:11 lots of them Jun 06 17:09:09 xchat is not in the repo AFAIK Jun 06 17:09:16 any other suggestion? Jun 06 17:10:03 any Linux IRC client Jun 06 17:10:03 centoslinux: just set up IRC in the IM section Jun 06 17:10:08 I'm using empathy Jun 06 17:10:10 if it's not in the repo, you can rebuild it Jun 06 17:10:12 which is built in Jun 06 17:10:41 just go to the im accounts button in the people tab, set up an IRC account, done. Jun 06 17:10:49 ok Jun 06 17:10:59 thanks both of you for the tip Jun 06 17:14:26 Hi, from Meego :) Jun 06 17:15:04 hi from Norway Jun 06 17:15:05 :-) Jun 06 17:15:19 TSCHAKee2: thanks for tip. Didn't know Empathy had support for IRC Jun 06 17:16:12 thiago_home: Norway? Jun 06 17:16:17 yes Jun 06 17:16:24 thiago_home: you from there as well? Jun 06 17:16:28 yes Jun 06 17:16:32 nice sunny day in Oslo Jun 06 17:16:55 yeah, cool weather today Jun 06 17:28:40 so, is meego like android and iphone in that it'll have an app store? Jun 06 17:28:46 or it has one already? Jun 06 17:28:52 more than one even Jun 06 17:29:00 there's Intel's AppUp store and Nokia's Ovi Store Jun 06 17:29:12 and each device vendor may choose to use one of those or their own Jun 06 17:29:21 nice Jun 06 17:29:21 plus, there's the official source and community-maintained repositories Jun 06 17:29:49 even better. Jun 06 17:32:05 I notice that apps are developed in c++. Are there any python bindings? Jun 06 17:33:28 there is a Python binding to Qt Jun 06 17:33:38 I haven't seen Python bindings to the rest of the API Jun 06 17:34:06 will there be an all in one meego app store where i can submit an application to one place and have it available to all users Jun 06 17:34:20 deja vu Jun 06 17:34:35 more than one even Jun 06 17:34:36 there's Intel's AppUp store and Nokia's Ovi Store Jun 06 17:34:36 and each device vendor may choose to use one of those or their own Jun 06 17:34:43 thats not what i asked Jun 06 17:34:51 thiago made it clear each would have their own Jun 06 17:35:05 i asked about making something available on all at once Jun 06 17:35:24 publish to meego -> become available to people on all kinds of devices Jun 06 17:35:26 ahhh so you did, sorry Jun 06 17:35:34 lcuk: I don't know if there's one place to submit Jun 06 17:37:39 I don't know how the process of app submission will work Jun 06 17:38:02 note that the goal is to have a big number of quality apps and that apps work across devices, so there should be a way, eventually Jun 06 17:38:27 well yeah thiago_home thats why i asked to clarify Jun 06 17:38:56 at least for open source apps it will probably be very easy Jun 06 17:39:05 for paid ones, that might get complex because of the payment methods Jun 06 17:39:24 the Ovi Store can charge to your phone bill... which means you must be buying from your phone Jun 06 17:39:57 hey. anyone know wht my backlight is not on when booting? Jun 06 17:40:18 so if i buy a meego app on my netbook i have to buy it again for my handheld? Jun 06 17:40:28 lcuk: unknown Jun 06 17:40:44 or rather for my various handhelds Jun 06 17:41:15 depends how the store and the vendor of your device works I'd guess Jun 06 17:41:22 commercial apps, you need to ask to the vendor that you bought the app from Jun 06 17:41:35 that's beyond meego.com Jun 06 17:42:49 not really beyond meego, its implicit and something that meego should be planning and organising for Jun 06 17:43:03 I disagree Jun 06 17:43:19 meego should be somehow planning for it, but in the end it's up to the companies that are selling stuff Jun 06 17:43:35 it's a commercial service Jun 06 17:43:49 all the talk of single sign on and being onboard meego would be a bit pointless if i then have to go to both intel and nokia and wherever to then get the apps for my meego device Jun 06 17:43:58 it's like asking meego to organise your mobile phone's subscription plans Jun 06 17:44:16 meego.com is open source (only) Jun 06 17:44:26 that's what it organises, that's what it cares about Jun 06 17:44:28 whats it on a .com for then? Jun 06 17:44:31 at the end of the day, nobody can really stop someone opening an appstore that only sells to device $x.. by the very reasoning of it being open Jun 06 17:44:49 lcuk: because someone thought it was best to buy the .com domain name Jun 06 17:44:56 could just as well have been a .org for all I care Jun 06 17:45:04 maybe it should have been Jun 06 17:45:45 afaik someone else had bought up the .org at some point Jun 06 17:45:51 which kind of prevents it from being used Jun 06 17:46:48 but the point is that MeeGo is a Linux Foundation (linux.com, lf.org, linuxfoundation.org) project and it's open-source-only Jun 06 17:47:05 w00t_: they would have to have bought it before meego.com launched and the brand was announced Jun 06 17:47:26 which they did Jun 06 17:47:26 doing so after the brand is announced is a blatant misuse and the domain can be retrieved by the registrars Jun 06 17:47:30 .org was purchased in 2009 Jun 06 17:47:54 Created On:01-Nov-2008 12:55:18 UTC Jun 06 17:48:09 ah, 2008 even? I thought it was later Jun 06 17:48:22 a one stop shop for all meego stuff would be the better mechanism really, a superstore that i can walk in and get everything i need Jun 06 17:48:35 lcuk: and nothing stops someone coming up with one Jun 06 17:48:35 lcuk: I completely agree Jun 06 17:48:44 and market forces probably mean they'll win Jun 06 17:48:46 and I hope there is such a thing Jun 06 17:49:16 but that's entirely up for any company to decide to invest in Jun 06 17:49:26 whether Intel or Nokia plan on doing it, I have no clue Jun 06 17:52:59 the Mobile Application Experience Meego Optimized store (or the MAEMO store) ;) Jun 06 17:55:08 that smells like bacronym :-P Jun 06 17:55:48 w00t_, with plenty of bacon too :P Jun 06 18:00:20 how can I fix this? Jun 06 18:00:21 Write failed after 0 bytes Jun 06 18:00:21 usb_bulk_write: No error Jun 06 19:24:15 If anyone is interested there was a motorbike manufacturer called Mego from 1962 to 1992 Jun 06 19:25:13 There was also a sci-fi TV show in the US called MeeGo Jun 06 19:25:39 oh yes that was something to ask about Jun 06 19:25:45 DawnFoster, was it any good? Jun 06 19:25:52 where did the name "meego" come from? Jun 06 19:25:54 No idea - never saw it :) Jun 06 19:25:55 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meego Jun 06 19:26:05 it only lasted a few months Jun 06 19:26:24 never even heard of it until they named this project Jun 06 19:26:41 o_O i didnt think that wikipedia allowed case sensitive pages Jun 06 19:27:05 I didn't either :) Jun 06 19:27:17 I did Jun 06 19:27:19 it annoyed me Jun 06 19:27:38 you typed "dodge viper" did you mean "Dodge Viper"? Jun 06 19:29:11 have you guys had nice weekend? Jun 06 19:29:51 reasonable nice, hayfever sucks tho Jun 06 19:31:20 bleugh CosmoHill Jun 06 19:33:03 CosmoHill, there was someone saying in the forum about that: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=154 Jun 06 19:34:04 I bet you there is a develop somewhere when asked "who wants to go to a linux convention" anwsered "meego!" Jun 06 19:38:00 :-) Jun 06 19:39:33 meego is a bit like xkcd in that respects Jun 06 19:39:36 only you can say it as a word Jun 06 19:40:58 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=154 Jun 06 19:41:27 whoops, just a n00b playing with putty here : P Jun 06 19:43:10 I just turned my side lamp on and my subwoofer turned on too Jun 06 20:38:21 evening all Jun 06 20:38:37 have anyone tried meego 1.0 on the Eee 901? Jun 06 20:38:58 pretty sure they have Jun 06 20:39:01 at my place it burns down Jun 06 20:39:16 http://meego.com/devices/netbook/supported-hardware-platforms Jun 06 20:39:42 I also found that Jun 06 20:39:47 but ... Jun 06 20:40:01 oh yeah, everything works on acer aspire one a110l Jun 06 20:40:17 atleast for couple days been good Jun 06 20:41:02 On Eee 901 I have SQUASHFS errors Jun 06 20:41:09 Meego 1.0 works fine on my EeePC 901. Only annoying thing is I cannot disable tapping on the touchpad. Jun 06 20:41:49 Sazius: did you take the Chrome edition or the normal one? Jun 06 20:42:29 the normal one, i.e. with Chromium (no Google EULA) Jun 06 20:43:16 I put /boot and swap on sda (smaller SSD drive) and / (root) on sdb (bigger SSD) Jun 06 20:44:01 I see the rat Jun 06 20:44:15 the md5sum is br0ke Jun 06 20:44:25 re-downloading... Jun 06 20:44:41 Have any of you tried the Meego 1.0 on N900 Jun 06 20:45:01 I heard that it gets you to a vanilla Xterm Jun 06 20:45:08 and no further Jun 06 20:46:21 pto: that's correct Jun 06 20:46:25 iirc there is no phone gui ready Jun 06 20:46:30 or something like that Jun 06 20:47:43 any phone functionality in Meego 1.0? Jun 06 20:48:05 or do I have to use STTY commands to dial a number :) Jun 06 20:48:11 the phone middleware is there Jun 06 20:48:14 there is no phone app Jun 06 20:48:25 and I'm not sure the drivers will work on the N900 yet Jun 06 21:12:08 cyas Jun 06 21:20:09 HI all anyone been tinkering with banshee community extensions yet at all? Jun 06 22:00:40 <[Coke]> Hio; I just picked up a laptop preinstalled with moblin; Should I be doc-searching for meebo now ? Jun 06 22:08:01 <[Coke]> er, meego, whoops Jun 07 02:02:14 \quit Jun 07 02:27:06 how you install the ui? Jun 07 02:42:01 <[Coke]> Sebas1: channel seems very quiet today. I came here by way of #moblin, which I unfortunately just bought a laptop with. =-) Jun 07 02:42:28 oh k. you have meego installed? Jun 07 02:45:51 <[Coke]> no, downloading now. the laptop came with moblin, which, near as I can tell, is dead. Jun 07 02:47:49 <[Coke]> s/laptop/netbook/ Jun 07 02:47:50 [Coke] meant: no, downloading now. the netbook came with moblin, which, near as I can tell, is dead. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jun 07 02:59:56 2010