**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 24 02:59:58 2010
Jun 24 05:26:54 <Myrtti> *YAWN*
Jun 24 05:27:51 <Stskeeps> morn
Jun 24 05:28:24 <Myrtti> laundry day. I came online to do something before heading downstairs, but I forgot what
Jun 24 05:33:29 <Stskeeps> REMINDER: N900 hardware adaptation team meeting in approximately 30 minutes in #meego-meeting , agenda at http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Meetings
Jun 24 05:58:49 <Stskeeps> REMINDER: N900 hardware adaptation team meeting in approximately 3 minutes in #meego-meeting , agenda at http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Meetings
Jun 24 07:15:07 <copyleft> Stskeeps: Got this one :) http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Sysadmin_Distro/OBS1.8_setup_openSUSE112
Jun 24 07:15:26 <Stskeeps> cool
Jun 24 07:16:28 <copyleft> Stskeeps: Thank you and the team! I will reinstall my obs again by this doc.
Jun 24 07:30:07 <lbt> o/
Jun 24 07:44:02 <tekojo> hello lbt
Jun 24 07:44:33 <Stskeeps> morn tekojo, lbt, slaine
Jun 24 07:44:39 * Stskeeps goes look for some more coffee
Jun 24 07:45:04 * tekojo has been lurking here so long that it feels like lunchtime
Jun 24 07:45:27 <Stskeeps> i was pondering to dine out but it's like 15 C outside and raining
Jun 24 07:45:27 <lbt> it's not?
Jun 24 07:45:27 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 24 07:45:51 * lbt looks at the blue skies and listens to the birds sing ;)
Jun 24 07:46:09 <lbt> it's not always miserable weather in the UK :D
Jun 24 07:46:14 <frals_> finally summer in HEL \o/
Jun 24 07:46:19 <tekojo> midsummer coming on fast
Jun 24 07:46:29 <lbt> frals_: today or tomorrow?
Jun 24 07:46:58 <frals_> tis warm today and clear blue sky from where im sitting :)
Jun 24 07:47:11 <slaine> it's been great here the last few days
Jun 24 07:47:18 <slaine> I need coffee too
Jun 24 07:47:22 <slaine> morning btw
Jun 24 07:47:34 <slaine> hmmm, I've 80 unread emails in meego-dev
Jun 24 07:47:53 <tekojo> slaine: select all, mark read
Jun 24 07:48:03 <slaine> nothing to see here, move along
Jun 24 08:35:02 <leinir> Hmm... be kind of interesting to get some named nokia people on this one: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41893
Jun 24 08:40:51 <Myrtti> leinir: but I thought that was on the roadmap ages ago
Jun 24 08:40:56 <Myrtti> it's not like it's news
Jun 24 08:41:20 <leinir> Oh right, must've happened while i was dived into my thesis - in that case, kewl beans :)
Jun 24 08:41:31 <leinir> It's news to me, but if it happened in the last two months, well... ;)
Jun 24 08:41:52 <Myrtti> no, I thought it was like ages ago
Jun 24 08:42:20 <leinir> Hmm...
Jun 24 08:43:19 <Myrtti> although the news then might have mentioned Maemo as Meego wasn't published then
Jun 24 08:43:37 <Surfa> leinir, there is a name in public for that
Jun 24 08:44:03 <Surfa> not that it would make it any more official
Jun 24 08:44:35 <Surfa> leinir, original news here: http://www.cnet.com.au/is-symbian-out-for-the-nokia-n-series-339304056.htm
Jun 24 08:44:36 <Myrtti> but wait, this might have been the "oh no, this is not true, we deny everything" thing
Jun 24 08:45:05 <leinir> Myrtti: Yeah, that's what i was thinking - that one i very clearly remember as a decidedly *facepalm* sort of moment :)
Jun 24 08:45:47 <Surfa> but you can find plenty of errors in statements in that news item..
Jun 24 08:47:17 <Surfa> so, you may think almost whatever you want about that news item :)
Jun 24 08:47:37 <Surfa> and then within year or two someone can say that "i was right"
Jun 24 08:48:06 <leinir> *nods* Hehe, it's an art form to do that sort of thing ;)
Jun 24 08:54:51 <thiago> leinir: it's news to me :-P
Jun 24 08:54:58 <thiago> you know, they don't tell us these things
Jun 24 08:55:01 <thiago> we learn from engadget
Jun 24 08:55:20 <leinir> thiago: *nods* Yeah - Engadget has better spies than Nokia has internal communication ;)
Jun 24 08:55:33 <thiago> for example, my guess as to what the S series is is as good as Engadget's
Jun 24 08:55:49 <leinir> *nods* :)
Jun 24 08:56:30 <pinchartl> thiago: don't you find it annoying ?
Jun 24 08:57:32 <thiago> of course, everyone is now speculating on whether the N9 is MeeGo, but that cnet story that Surfa linked to is clear: Nokia has not announced any device called N9
Jun 24 08:57:57 <thiago> pinchartl: I know stuff by codenames only. The consumer name is marketing...
Jun 24 08:58:27 <pinchartl> thiago: I mean don't you find it annoying that you learn many things from the net instead of internally ?
Jun 24 08:58:43 <thiago> pinchartl: no, not annoying
Jun 24 08:58:49 <thiago> just funny and ironic
Jun 24 08:59:21 <pinchartl> :-)
Jun 24 09:00:05 <leinir> i just wonder when Nokia realises that they need to just hire the Engadget guys to take care of their internal communications ;)
Jun 24 09:00:49 <thiago> one of our guys once was contacted on facebook and offered money for any leaks...
Jun 24 09:00:50 <pinchartl> hehe
Jun 24 09:01:29 <pinchartl> thiago: if he told you that means he didn't get offered enough money ;-)
Jun 24 09:02:29 <JureG> hi all
Jun 24 09:04:58 <thiago> pinchartl: that's assuming everyone has their price, which may not be always true
Jun 24 09:05:41 <Surfa> thiago, or are you just being ignorant about internal communications?
Jun 24 09:06:31 <pinchartl> thiago: a friend of mine uses to say that everyone has a price, including the price to get a bullet between the eyes. you can be proud when that one is cheaper
Jun 24 09:08:27 <Surfa> for those you know finnis: http://www.tietokone.fi/uutiset/nokia_siirtyy_nseries_alypuhelimissa_meegoon
Jun 24 09:08:36 <thiago> Surfa: actually, what I said before is true: I only care about the codenames
Jun 24 09:08:48 <Surfa> shortly: official confirmation of no more symbian in n-series
Jun 24 09:11:53 <till-> replaced by meego?
Jun 24 09:12:31 <thiago> google translation: Symbian remains perusälypuhelimiin
Jun 24 09:12:33 <thiago> wonderful
Jun 24 09:12:34 <thiago> :-P
Jun 24 09:12:47 <Surfa> basic smartphones :)
Jun 24 09:13:18 <Surfa> whatever that means
Jun 24 09:13:38 <thiago> looks like the meaning of the last sentence got inverted in the translation: Nokia is trying to bring a single developer as MeeGo, Symbian, Web-based applications than Qt applications.
Jun 24 09:13:40 <till-> no n-series i guess
Jun 24 09:14:13 <till-> but what about this symbian^4 thing?
Jun 24 09:14:32 <Surfa> till-, what about it? :)
Jun 24 09:15:31 <till-> wasn't that ment to be the new symbian for smartphones etc?
Jun 24 09:15:48 <till-> or is it a codename für meego?
Jun 24 09:16:20 <Surfa> i think nowhere is stated that symbian will cease to exist?
Jun 24 09:16:29 <thiago> the article even says otherwise
Jun 24 09:16:48 <Surfa> i don't know about the translation but originally it doesn't say anything like it
Jun 24 09:17:34 <till-> so symbian(^3,^4) remains in the e- and c-series
Jun 24 09:18:03 <Surfa> and x-
Jun 24 09:18:25 <till-> okay, great :)
Jun 24 09:20:24 <Surfa> Symbian in general don't know anything about versions, it's not public knowledge
Jun 24 09:22:56 <till-> but the n8 will be the last symbian based n-series device?
Jun 24 09:24:15 <Surfa> that's what seems to be confirmed by nokia now
Jun 24 09:24:56 <Surfa> and officially before next year, there will be a meego device
Jun 24 09:25:05 <Surfa> that's pretty much all you can say for now
Jun 24 09:25:07 <till-> i hope so
Jun 24 10:30:07 <Nervengift> does anybody know if meego will use the nokia ovi store?
Jun 24 10:31:00 <gour> according to wiki docs, it will
Jun 24 10:33:01 <Nervengift> will the netbook version do so too?
Jun 24 10:33:24 <Stskeeps> Nervengift: no, nokia's meego probably will
Jun 24 10:33:29 <Stskeeps> but the open source meego.. doubt it
Jun 24 10:36:28 <Nervengift> installing the smartphone ui in virtualbox will be possible, won't it?
Jun 24 10:37:58 <Stskeeps> no clue
Jun 24 10:39:07 <Nervengift> hmm waiting and trying^^
Jun 24 10:41:37 <Myrtti> the question is: "Why do you want to do that?"
Jun 24 10:42:29 <Stskeeps> smartphone ui in virtualbox could be useful :P
Jun 24 11:07:24 <copyleft> jedix: Hi
Jun 24 11:10:43 <copyleft> jedix: It seems the line on OBS 1.8 MeeGo doc -- "zypper mr -d openSUSE_Tools" causes the missing dependance when installing obs-server.
Jun 24 11:46:25 <tekojo> signing off for midsummer!
Jun 24 12:27:51 * thiago wonders why midsummer happens in Finland 3 days later than the rest of the world
Jun 24 12:28:43 <leinir> In Denmark it was yesterday
Jun 24 12:28:53 <leinir> Blame the missionaries :P
Jun 24 12:29:01 <petteri> long weekend, so that we can drink enough
Jun 24 12:29:07 <leinir> They decided that having it on the day was too pagan :P
Jun 24 12:29:42 <leinir> At least that's the case in Denmark, where it's called Saint Hans and an effigy of a witch is burnt on a huge bonfire
Jun 24 12:37:17 <sx0n> actual day length leveling happened already few days ago, it is shortening currently. midsummer parties however.. is different thing.
Jun 24 12:39:27 <miig> Hi, maybe someone can help me. I installed in MeeGo mplayer. When I start play in mplayer any video, when i try to change the mode (full screen  or not), rewind, or any other actions netbook hangs. Why it can be? Sorry for my bad english.
Jun 24 12:55:29 <lbt> Interesting btrfs ml snippets on LWN : http://lwn.net/Articles/393148/  (I'm not qualified to assess this.. so this is just FYI, not btrfs bashing)
Jun 24 13:06:55 <TSCHAKWerk> lbt: i've been rather nervous about the unusual manner in which btrfs populates its trees, too. I would like to see more real world testing though, before i make any sort of judgement.
Jun 24 13:07:10 <Termana> lbt, you BTRFS basher
Jun 24 13:07:28 <Termana> It would probably be a good idea to send any info to the mailing list
Jun 24 13:08:11 <TSCHAKWerk> i do like to think that there is some sort of thought process behind people who design filesystems
Jun 24 13:08:17 <Stskeeps> meh, go for ZFS
Jun 24 13:08:17 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 24 13:08:18 <TSCHAKWerk> they're not easy things to improve.
Jun 24 13:08:35 <w00t_> if you read the rest of that thread, it's a lot more balanced
Jun 24 13:08:46 <miig> Hi again, maybe someone can help me. I installed in MeeGo mplayer. When I start play in mplayer any video, when i try to change the mode (full screen  or not), rewind, or any other actions netbook hangs. Why it can be? Sorry for my bad english.
Jun 24 13:08:48 <Stskeeps> TSCHAKWerk: 'ooh, i just learnt about b-trees in algorithmics class. let me build a file system!'
Jun 24 13:08:51 <TSCHAKWerk> and so long as we keep labouring under these idiotic delusions of fixed heirarchies of blobs of untyped binary data, we'll have these same idiotic problems
Jun 24 13:09:13 <TSCHAKWerk> over and over and over and over again
Jun 24 13:16:06 <lbt> w00t_: you're right... I assumed that LWN would provide a balanced set of snips... maybe not.
Jun 24 13:16:44 <GAN900> Ah, summer vacation
Jun 24 13:16:54 <GAN900> Good time to release the handset UX
Jun 24 13:16:56 <Bostik> in about 30 minutes, yes
Jun 24 13:17:14 <GAN900> Meaning all of the enthusiasm at the initial release is going into a black hole.
Jun 24 13:17:51 <Stskeeps> GAN900: or perhaps the best time to drag in hobbyists.
Jun 24 13:19:36 <GAN900> Mmm
Jun 24 13:31:48 <esp77> does meego have any bug fixes and updates between releases?
Jun 24 13:32:00 <Stskeeps> there's daily, weekly images
Jun 24 13:47:31 <luist_> hey... in garage_data.xml  can i specify more than 1 package to install/remove? my problem is that when i remove the application that i installed, it keeps all the deps it installed, which is giving me problems so i want to specify the deps to remove them too
Jun 24 14:34:42 <jedix> copyleft: which packages are missing after removing that repo?
Jun 24 14:34:54 <jedix> there wasn't as issue
Jun 24 14:49:03 <Passeli> what when is the handset UX going to be released?
Jun 24 14:49:18 <Stskeeps> this month
Jun 24 14:49:58 <Passeli> so next week
Jun 24 14:50:44 <TSCHAKWerk> right down to the wire
Jun 24 14:50:46 <Stskeeps> there's a week next week..
Jun 24 14:50:46 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 24 14:59:15 <slaine> Who's betting on next wednesday then :)
Jun 24 14:59:33 <Stskeeps> i'm betting on next wednesday as well, since the TSG was moved ;)
Jun 24 14:59:40 <slaine> bingo
Jun 24 15:00:32 <Stskeeps> 30th, the day of 'no more excuses for not being open', i hope
Jun 24 15:00:33 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 24 15:00:55 <Stskeeps> .. and i'm going to be offline that entire week
Jun 24 15:00:56 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 24 15:00:59 <vgrade> here, here
Jun 24 15:01:27 <vgrade> being open, not you offline stskeeps
Jun 24 15:01:30 <jedix> yeah, it'll be opened.. except video drivers
Jun 24 15:02:04 <Stskeeps> yeah, but at least the meego content :P
Jun 24 15:06:17 <paxl> Is there a reason behing MeeGo using extlinux instead of grub ?
Jun 24 15:06:49 <jedix> what arch?
Jun 24 15:06:53 <Stskeeps> i think one of the reasons being that the syslinux guy is employed there
Jun 24 15:07:35 <paxl> Atom
Jun 24 15:07:45 <paxl> Stskeeps: that make total sence :)
Jun 24 15:08:06 <Stskeeps> technical reasons, .. ask on meego-dev :)
Jun 24 15:24:22 <fjrivash> One question : Is CNS3410 (ARM11 family) compatible with that one which comes with N900?
Jun 24 15:26:12 <fjrivash> N900 comes with a ARM Cortex A8, is not it?
Jun 24 15:26:27 <Stskeeps> sec
Jun 24 15:26:30 <fjrivash> is ARM9 family does it?
Jun 24 15:27:07 <Stskeeps> well, you need ARMv5 at least
Jun 24 15:27:10 <Stskeeps> sec
Jun 24 15:28:12 <Stskeeps> the n900 image won't, but if you just select armv5 repos instead of v7, and make an image..
Jun 24 15:28:47 <Stskeeps> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#ARM_cores is a nice reference for ARMv5 / ARMv6 / ARMv7
Jun 24 15:28:52 <fjrivash> It would run on that processor?
Jun 24 15:29:15 <Stskeeps> no expert opinion from me, but if the processor is ARMv5 and you have a MMU and a linux kernel, then possibly
Jun 24 15:29:32 <Stskeeps> keep in mind you will need GLES2 for some UX'es and probably at least 128mb ram :P
Jun 24 15:29:55 <fjrivash> Yes! I saw it I need to confirm with experts :D. I am trying with a virtual machine
Jun 24 15:31:10 <fjrivash> thank you once again Stskeeps :D
Jun 24 15:41:00 <fjrivash> Stskeeps, I have this one ARMv6K 	(ARM11 MPCore) and nokia is ARMv7-A (Cortex-A8), so is armv5tel, this armv7l or neither of them?
Jun 24 15:41:24 <fjrivash> (from repos versions I mean)
Jun 24 15:42:02 <Stskeeps> well, armv7l won't work with armv6k, but armv5tel will
Jun 24 15:42:36 <fjrivash> Ggggreat! :D Stskeeps I am going to test it, Thank you.
Jun 24 15:51:14 <trip0> #meeog is a lonely place
Jun 24 15:52:02 <Stskeeps> mm, at least the -arm channel has a lot of traffic
Jun 24 15:52:45 <trip0> oh, cool
Jun 24 15:52:51 <trip0> i had no idea that channel existed
Jun 24 15:52:59 <Stskeeps> (.. right now we're a bit silent cos all the finns went on holiday)
Jun 24 15:53:33 * trip0 starts a firestorm
Jun 24 15:56:07 <fjrivash> me too!
Jun 24 16:00:29 <phamtuanchip> i am new bee
Jun 24 16:00:30 <phamtuanchip> hi all
Jun 24 16:00:38 <trip0> hi new bee
Jun 24 16:00:50 <phamtuanchip> anyone here using meego ?
Jun 24 16:01:01 <trip0> yes
Jun 24 16:01:14 <trip0> is there anyone here *not* using meego?
Jun 24 16:01:17 <trip0> :P
Jun 24 16:01:20 <Stskeeps> not at this moment
Jun 24 16:01:20 <phamtuanchip> I would like to setup it for my hp
Jun 24 16:01:25 <Stskeeps> i do have a meego sticker on my laptop though
Jun 24 16:01:43 <w00t_> gaah
Jun 24 16:01:48 * w00t_ wanted a sticker :P
Jun 24 16:02:57 <phamtuanchip> hp dv200
Jun 24 16:03:05 <phamtuanchip> is it posible  ?
Jun 24 16:03:49 <phamtuanchip> i am downloading image from torrent :( sad because from meego site always broken
Jun 24 16:23:52 <odin_> is the community OBS any closer to takeoff ?
Jun 24 16:28:57 <Andy80> hi all
Jun 24 16:29:14 <Stskeeps> lo
Jun 24 16:29:37 <Andy80> what filesystem do you suggest me when I install Meego on a netbook with a normal harddisk (not a solid state one): BTRFS or Ext3?
Jun 24 16:30:02 <RST38h> ext3
Jun 24 16:30:37 <dneary> Hi all
Jun 24 16:30:43 <dneary> slaine, Ping?
Jun 24 16:31:16 <slaine> hey
Jun 24 16:33:16 <Andy80> let me say that MeeGo installer is as stupid as a banana!
Jun 24 16:33:29 <trip0> mmm... banana
Jun 24 16:34:01 <Andy80> first it bothers because I choose ext3 and it's not the preferred one. Ok, I switch to btrfs and the it bothers again because bootable partitions cannot stay on btrfs! WTF!!!
Jun 24 16:34:07 <trip0> Andy80, btrfs is pretty fast on a normal hdd
Jun 24 16:34:42 <Andy80> trip0: yes, but you canno use it for a boot partition
Jun 24 16:35:06 <trip0> use ext2
Jun 24 16:35:08 <trip0> for boot
Jun 24 16:35:39 <trip0> it's probably related to grub not proplerly supporting btrfs or something
Jun 24 16:35:52 <Andy80> trip0: naa... it's just for testing... I already have Ubuntu on this netbook, I'll go for a single / partition that will contain all
Jun 24 16:42:31 <Andy80> fantastic.... now, at the end of installation, it's locked on "Installing bootloader..." -.-
Jun 24 16:43:11 <Andy80> alla the QA team has been fired up since a long time or what?!
Jun 24 16:44:53 <RST38h> You are not supposed to install it
Jun 24 16:45:06 <RST38h> Unless you are Intel or Nokia employee =)~
Jun 24 16:45:12 <Andy80> -.-
Jun 24 16:45:18 * RST38h laughs satanically
Jun 24 16:45:38 <RST38h> It is probably stuck overwriting your MBR ;)
Jun 24 16:45:38 <trip0> :S
Jun 24 16:45:40 <Andy80> I'll wait other 2-3 minutes the I hope to be able to remove this shit from my netbook
Jun 24 16:46:11 <Andy80> consider that I've a model officially SUPPORTED!
Jun 24 16:46:23 <Andy80> what if I had installed it on a unsupported model??
Jun 24 16:46:47 <RST38h> It would be unsupported then?
Jun 24 16:47:07 <Stskeeps> Andy80: be a good citizen, file a bug.
Jun 24 16:47:17 <Stskeeps> or two. or four.
Jun 24 16:48:05 <Andy80> luckly my MBR wasn't touched
Jun 24 16:48:17 <Andy80> I'll remove this and restore my partition
Jun 24 16:48:45 <Andy80> or maybe I could use the Ubuntu grub to add another OS
Jun 24 16:57:33 <GAN900> MeeGo -- Making the Maemo Community mad every day.
Jun 24 16:57:40 * GAN900 hopes for a fix.
Jun 24 16:59:44 <w00t_> GAN900: Fixed In <the next release>
Jun 24 17:00:06 <GAN900> I wish I had a good answer for what needs to change
Jun 24 17:00:22 <GAN900> I think actually seeking to engage the Maemo Community would've helped
Jun 24 17:00:35 <GAN900> Rather than ignoring or putting out stop motion
Jun 24 17:01:15 <Andy80> I don't know how Ubuntu was able to boot again, but MeeGo deleted my /boot/grub/menu.lst -.-
Jun 24 17:02:28 <digitalsurgeon> so GAN900 are you still mad ?
Jun 24 17:03:15 <w00t_> digitalsurgeon: btw, see meego-community ML.. since you're one of the developer engagement volunteers iirc :)
Jun 24 17:07:27 <DawnFoster> w00t_ July 5 is a holiday in the US for most people (developer engagement meeting)
Jun 24 17:08:10 <DawnFoster> just FYI
Jun 24 17:08:11 <w00t_> DawnFoster: argh. jul 6 is bad because of the CO meet.. I'd really like to do it *before* the next CO meet too, but next week I think is going to be a waste of time
Jun 24 17:08:33 <DawnFoster> you can still do it on July 5 if most people can make it
Jun 24 17:08:59 <DawnFoster> not sure how many people from the US will participate (it's an Intel holiday, but some people might be available)
Jun 24 17:09:02 <w00t_> yeah, I think it will *probably* be ok.. but we'll see
Jun 24 17:09:07 <w00t_> still, annoying
Jun 24 17:09:35 <GAN900> digitalsurgeon, mad? No.
Jun 24 17:09:36 <DawnFoster> if most of the participants are Europe - go for it. The lazy americans on holiday can catch up with the minutes ;)
Jun 24 17:10:52 <GAN900> digitalsurgeon, dissappointed and burnt out, a bit.
Jun 24 17:14:13 <Andy80> Stskeeps: maybe I understand the problem: MeeGo installed doesn't support Grub2 which is used by Ubuntu > 9.10
Jun 24 17:14:49 <RST38h> Install MSDOS and boot using bootlin from there? =)
Jun 24 17:15:22 <Andy80> taa-daaaaa :) a simple update-grub fixed all :P
Jun 24 17:17:27 <mixaz> hi all, I downloaded latest meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img, created a boot flash, but can't buut on eeepc 901 with error "reboot and select proper boot device". The USB drive selected in bios OK. What can be wrong?
Jun 24 17:17:45 <mixaz> I followed http://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.0/meego-v1.0-netbooks
Jun 24 17:21:35 <luist_> hey... in garage_data.xml  can i specify more than 1 package to install/remove? my problem is that when i remove the application that i installed, it keeps all the deps it installed, which is giving me problems so i want to specify the deps to remove them too
Jun 24 17:37:10 <Andy80> just for curiosity... how do I change the audio volume?
Jun 24 17:42:41 <trip0> Andy80, you can change the audio volume by cupping your hands over your ears
Jun 24 17:43:06 <trip0> in such a way that it muffles the sounds
Jun 24 17:45:08 <ShadowJK> it's ... intuitive!
Jun 24 17:46:06 <trip0> and it doesn't break when pulseaudio updates
Jun 24 17:46:20 <thiago_home> lol
Jun 24 17:49:28 <Andy80> is it possible that there aren't any updates since the first release?
Jun 24 17:49:36 <Andy80> I tried a couple of times...
Jun 24 17:49:53 <thiago_home> of what?
Jun 24 18:15:10 <tehdely> hi, just playing with meego v1.0 on my netbook
Jun 24 18:15:19 <tehdely> it's got a 1024x576 screen and unfortunately some dialogs go below the bottom
Jun 24 18:15:30 <tehdely> does the wm have any way to alt-drag a window and move it using something other than its titlebar?
Jun 24 18:15:34 <tehdely> so i can move windows up and get to what's at the bottom
Jun 24 18:15:38 <tehdely> which is usually an 'OK' or 'Apply' button?
Jun 24 18:15:46 <auke> file a bugzilla :)
Jun 24 18:15:57 <auke> no, I don't think there is such a combo
Jun 24 18:16:04 <tehdely> before i file a bug report or feature request, i want to make sure what i want is not already implemented
Jun 24 18:16:09 <tehdely> to avoid embarrassment, of course :)
Jun 24 18:16:33 <tehdely> what's the main locus of development
Jun 24 18:16:36 <tehdely> is there a mailing list everyone's on?
Jun 24 18:16:42 <tehdely> or is it very scattered among 27343 different places
Jun 24 18:16:46 <tehdely> i haven't participated in any OSS dev in quite a while
Jun 24 18:16:56 <tehdely> gotta learn git, too :)
Jun 24 18:17:28 <thiago_home> 1024x576? what kind of manufacturer decided to have a screen less than 640 pixels tall?
Jun 24 18:17:35 <tehdely> plenty did
Jun 24 18:17:42 <tehdely> lots of 10" netbooks have that reso
Jun 24 18:17:42 <thiago_home> rather, less than 600 (from 800x600 times)
Jun 24 18:17:44 <tehdely> mine is an HP Mini 1000
Jun 24 18:17:46 <tehdely> hardly a rare machine
Jun 24 18:18:12 <gaveen> tehdely, http://meego.com/community/mailing-lists
Jun 24 18:18:21 <DawnFoster> tehdely: were using the forums for user level questions about installation and usage bugs;: http://meego.com/community
Jun 24 18:18:35 <DawnFoster> mailing lists are more for people doing development on the platform
Jun 24 18:18:49 <DawnFoster> whichever is most appropriate
Jun 24 18:32:57 <tehdely> what do most people use as a MeeGo dev environment?
Jun 24 18:33:06 <tehdely> do you usually develop MeeGo on MeeGo?
Jun 24 18:33:43 * Aard uses debian
Jun 24 18:34:02 <tehdely> is MeeGo debian-based?  i noticed that it uses RPM for its pkg system
Jun 24 18:34:33 <Stskeeps> no, it's rpm based, mostly it's own distribution :)
Jun 24 18:34:35 <Aard> no
Jun 24 18:35:55 <tehdely> do you work within a chroot like these instrux? http://wiki.meego.com/Developing_in_a_Meego_Environment
Jun 24 18:37:25 <Aard> no, working with obs
Jun 24 18:51:18 <tehdely> hmmf
Jun 24 18:51:23 <tehdely> appears it has not recognized my wifi card
Jun 24 18:52:13 <fjrivash> how can I create a meego arm rootfs? http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Creating_ARM_image_using_MeeGo_Image_Creator
Jun 24 18:52:15 <KiMeNe> tükçe bilen varmý aranýzda millet
Jun 24 18:52:17 <KiMeNe> ?
Jun 24 18:52:18 <fjrivash> do I need to create a raw image?
Jun 24 19:01:04 <thiago_home> KiMeNe: please speak English and use UTF-8
Jun 24 19:01:48 <KiMeNe> thiago_home  ?
Jun 24 19:05:50 <tehdely> what is the way to reboot Meego using the interface?
Jun 24 19:06:06 <tehdely> also is there a kbd shortcut to switch zones
Jun 24 19:12:15 <dl9pf_> tehdely: try the power button
Jun 24 19:51:13 <AnttiT> Nice OS :) Thanks.
Jun 24 20:26:48 <bolle_> hii
Jun 24 20:29:29 <AnttiT> hoo
Jun 24 20:29:33 <AnttiT> :P
Jun 24 20:48:48 <TSCHAKWerk> http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/leaked-apple-stealing-all-facetime-information-att-locks-user-via-ota-updates/
Jun 24 22:15:46 <miig> Hi, maybe somebody can help me. I installed mplayer. But i start any video, when i try to change the mode (full screen or not), rewind, or any other actions - netbook hangs.
Jun 24 22:21:33 <trem> nite all, sweet dreams
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