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Jun 25 06:05:04 <copyleft> Hi, by the wiki, can I clone a MeeGo trunk without an account of http://apt.meego.com ? http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Sysadmin_Distro/OBS1.8_setup_openSUSE112#prj_and_prjconf
Jun 25 06:07:52 <copyleft> s/apt/api/
Jun 25 06:07:53 <infobot> copyleft meant: Hi, by the wiki, can I clone a MeeGo trunk without an account of http://api.meego.com ? http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Sysadmin_Distro/OBS1.8_setup_openSUSE112#prj_and_prjconf
Jun 25 06:14:16 <vgrade> Whats going on here, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/24/x86_android/
Jun 25 06:26:46 <Stskeeps> copyleft: yes, take the daily repo
Jun 25 06:29:53 <copyleft> Stskeeps: So I just need to import the MeeGo prjconf into my local OBS?
Jun 25 06:30:03 <Stskeeps> right, and rpms
Jun 25 06:31:49 <copyleft> Stskeeps: would you please give me some suggestion about how to import/sync all the rpms/repository?
Jun 25 06:32:11 <copyleft> Just have the prjconf ready but not sure how to do next.
Jun 25 06:33:44 <Stskeeps> after coffee and starting work i might :)
Jun 25 06:33:54 <lbt> anaZ: spam!!!!    it works :)
Jun 25 06:34:08 <copyleft> I may try obs_mirror_project.
Jun 25 06:34:48 <copyleft> Stskeeps: Ok. good morning :p
Jun 25 06:35:13 <Stskeeps> lbt: i woke up to 80 emails
Jun 25 06:38:03 <lbt> useful stuff though
Jun 25 06:40:58 <copyleft> Is it correct that I can subscribe to meego-packaging mailing list and receive mails. But can not access to http://lists.meego.com/private/meego-packaging/ , it says Private Archives.
Jun 25 06:42:26 <Stskeeps> copyleft: more interestingly, how did you hear of meego-packaging?
Jun 25 06:45:21 <copyleft> Stskeeps: I forgot, maybe from wiki or something. Oops so it's a private list indeed?
Jun 25 06:45:33 <copyleft> lots of mails :p
Jun 25 06:45:48 <Stskeeps> probably for a couple of days
Jun 25 06:46:38 <Stskeeps> as after handset ux things with obs should be be opened, at least according to quim
Jun 25 06:50:01 <lbt> copyleft: my understanding is that it's moderated subscription still
Jun 25 07:02:08 <copyleft> I see. Should I unsubcribe it then? If it's a mistake.
Jun 25 07:05:29 <copyleft> Stskeeps: from here I guess. http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Packagers_Developers#IRC_.2F_mailinglists_.2F_contact
Jun 25 07:08:13 <odin_> is the community OBS any closer to takeoff ?
Jun 25 07:16:31 <lbt> odin_: yes
Jun 25 07:17:03 <lbt> the ISP screwed up setting up an IP address last night
Jun 25 07:18:13 <copyleft> lbt: cool!
Jun 25 07:23:06 <Stskeeps> copyleft: no personal opinion, if you can bare to read that insane amount of traffic, why not ;)
Jun 25 07:28:59 <copyleft> Stskeeps: Yeah it makes me believe you are really active :p
Jun 25 08:18:37 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jun 25 08:18:47 <Stskeeps> morn
Jun 25 08:22:32 <Stskeeps> futurama \o/
Jun 25 08:41:38 <copyleft> obs_mirror_project need the access account to build.meego.com too. ˊ_ˋ
Jun 25 08:43:30 <Stskeeps> there's a guide for importing rpms somewhere on the OBS packages
Jun 25 08:44:12 <Stskeeps> pages
Jun 25 08:45:45 <copyleft> Stskeeps: You meant opensuse obs wiki? okay I will find it. Thanks!
Jun 25 08:57:41 <saschi> hi
Jun 25 09:15:50 <fcocuadrado> Hi, all! Is there any guide to create an own OBS?
Jun 25 09:16:12 <Stskeeps> copyleft should know what direction to go in
Jun 25 09:16:12 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 25 09:25:59 <copyleft> fcocuadrado: lol, I'm working on it too. we may help each other.
Jun 25 09:26:55 <fcocuadrado> copyleft: here, I'm working on port meego to another arch, and I'm seeing different possibilities
Jun 25 09:27:37 <fcocuadrado> copyleft: obviously, I'll have to create my own OBS in a near future
Jun 25 09:28:03 <copyleft> fcocuadrado: I'm following this guide. http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Sysadmin_Distro/OBS1.8_setup_openSUSE112 But still need to learn some OBS project/prjconf stuff. I'm new to RPM system.
Jun 25 09:28:38 <fcocuadrado> copyleft: I'm new to RPM system too, I love deb ;)
Jun 25 09:28:56 <copyleft> fcocuadrado: same here ;)
Jun 25 09:30:16 <copyleft> fcocuadrado: another arch? not x86 and arm?
Jun 25 09:30:28 <fcocuadrado> copyleft: yes
Jun 25 09:30:33 <fcocuadrado> copyleft: sh4
Jun 25 09:32:31 <copyleft> fcocuadrado: oh. Good work to you! What I need is to build meego packages for x86 and arm. So I just need to clone the repository and MeeGo OBS.
Jun 25 09:33:36 <copyleft> fcocuadrado: I have been trying OBS 1.7 and 2.0, and now back to 1.8
Jun 25 09:34:05 <fcocuadrado> copyleft: thanks, now I only investigating
Jun 25 10:22:00 <dl9pf_> copyleft: you need the premade projconf - writing from scratch being new to RPM is hard. So i'd propose to experiment with an existing  obs on x86.
Jun 25 10:38:54 <copyleft> dl9pf_: Can I use MeeGo 1.0 projconf on my local OBS and clone the MeeGo 1.0 repository?
Jun 25 10:39:17 <dl9pf_> yes
Jun 25 10:40:33 <dl9pf_> you need the binaries and the sources in the right places
Jun 25 10:41:32 * copyleft don't know what to do next after creating a new project on local OBS and importing MeeGo projconf.
Jun 25 10:42:47 <copyleft> When I trying to add a build repository. There is no MeeGo 1.0 , looks like I need to create the repository for MeeGo 1.0
Jun 25 10:44:04 <copyleft> Got stuck here for few days :S
Jun 25 10:44:10 <dl9pf_> copyleft: ok - you won't find it there.
Jun 25 10:45:05 <dl9pf_> you'll have to setup a full clone as in -> import binaries, projconf, sources  . thus you'll get a full local clone of MeeGo1.0
Jun 25 10:45:30 <dl9pf_> or if you've an MeeGo obs account, you can setup a link
Jun 25 10:45:42 <dl9pf_> and skip the full local import
Jun 25 10:47:56 <copyleft> dl9pf_: I don't have a MeeGo obs accout. Can I apply for it ? Or waiting till it to be public.
Jun 25 10:50:06 <copyleft> dl9pf_: Did you mean I need to import binary from http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/core/repos/ , let my obs backend to create the MeeGo 1.0 chroot through it to build new packages?
Jun 25 10:50:59 <dl9pf_> basically yes, but you need to import it in the correct folders depending on you project setup
Jun 25 10:51:41 <dl9pf_> let do it like this : setup a link to build.opensuse.org as mentioned in the documentation and build a first package with a _link_
Jun 25 10:52:01 <dl9pf_> then you get a bit more familiar and can work out the cloning
Jun 25 10:55:13 <dl9pf_> copyleft: first get that running, then you need to adapt (different pathnames!) http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service/MeeGo_Setup
Jun 25 10:55:27 <copyleft> dl9pf_: Ok. So I will  create a project with the remote OBS URL: https://api.opensuse.org/public, then create a _link_ package to build a rpm/deb for those default repositories on build.opensuse.org first
Jun 25 10:55:47 <dl9pf_> yes, then you'll know the setup works
Jun 25 10:56:13 <dl9pf_> then adapt the instructions above to your setup/pathnames
Jun 25 10:57:53 <copyleft> dl9pf_: :D Thank you so so so much!! Ok trying it out.
Jun 25 10:59:34 <dl9pf_> np - good luck
Jun 25 14:01:46 <Stskeeps> morn achipa
Jun 25 14:02:32 <achipa> morn Stskeeps
Jun 25 14:03:01 <achipa> (in LA, I guess :)
Jun 25 14:03:54 <Stskeeps> hehe, nah, ugt
Jun 25 14:03:54 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 25 14:04:25 * Monotoko grumbles about college system
Jun 25 14:04:54 <Monotoko> not letting me on the web/going very slowly, but letting me through everything else with mega speed
Jun 25 14:05:09 <Monotoko> (such as IRC/FTP)
Jun 25 14:06:26 <Stskeeps> Monotoko: did you solve your webhost problem? (came home to poland saturday
Jun 25 14:09:01 <Monotoko> Stskeeps, aye i had to divert emergency funds from a friend lol
Jun 25 14:09:16 <Stskeeps> alright, but you're good now?
Jun 25 14:09:33 <Monotoko> aye im alright :)
Jun 25 14:11:31 <Monotoko> hmmm
Jun 25 14:11:57 <Monotoko> anyway to get dev tools into meego? or a packaged version of xchat?
Jun 25 15:31:23 <paxl> mic-image-creator: error: no such option: --pipe
Jun 25 15:31:41 <paxl> Is that normal that the latest git mic-image-creator just fail with that ?
Jun 25 15:33:57 <paxl> Here is the complete loghttp://pastebin.com/4LWp9pE8
Jun 25 15:34:00 <paxl> http://pastebin.com/4LWp9pE8
Jun 25 15:34:01 <paxl> sorry
Jun 25 15:42:18 <Blice> Hello. Does Meego depend on dbus and pulseaudio?
Jun 25 15:53:16 <slaine> Blice:
Jun 25 15:53:17 <slaine> http://meego.com/developers/meego-architecture
Jun 25 15:55:19 <Blice> slaine: ah, that's disapointing
Jun 25 15:55:25 <Blice> I thought they would have chosen a saner solution
Jun 25 15:55:49 <slaine> Surely that's subjective
Jun 25 15:55:54 <Blice> then again this is nokia we're talking about. I think qt, the gui toolkit alone, is now having a dependency on dbus.
Jun 25 15:56:05 <Blice> slaine: Maybe. Not for embedded hardware, I don't think.
Jun 25 15:56:29 <slaine> The underlying infra comes from Gnome Mobile iirc, which has those deps
Jun 25 15:57:00 <Blice> That is probably the first mistake, yes
Jun 25 15:57:09 <TSCHAKWerk> oh please
Jun 25 15:57:12 * TSCHAKWerk rolls eyes.
Jun 25 15:57:17 <slaine> Maemo and Moblin both had that stack in common and was probably one of the draws for the merger
Jun 25 15:57:21 <Blice> We're getting into 1ghz embedded chips now and we're wasting those cycles on crap
Jun 25 15:57:49 * TSCHAKWerk is getting very tired of these academic discussions by people ill equipped to actually do something better
Jun 25 15:57:52 <TSCHAKWerk> so please shut the fuck up.
Jun 25 15:58:06 <Blice> full glibc, full gnu coreutils, where did embedded system development go?
Jun 25 15:58:55 <slaine> Washing machines ?
Jun 25 15:59:09 <pippin> Blice: and color screens? GPUs?.. this is not the embedded pain you are looking for
Jun 25 15:59:41 <slaine> again, embedded development, another subjective term
Jun 25 16:05:50 <Stskeeps> Blice: 1ghz is hardly embedded :)
Jun 25 16:06:41 <w00t_> Stskeeps: depends more on your usage rather than the hardware I'd say
Jun 25 16:13:52 <CosmoHill> Afternoon
Jun 25 16:14:58 <poutsi> oh jeez these android tutorials are just horrible
Jun 25 16:15:17 <poutsi> (b = (Button)findViewById(R.id.flag_button)).setBackgroundDrawable(this.getResources().getDrawable(R.drawable.flag));
Jun 25 16:15:28 <poutsi> apparently "that's the way to do it"
Jun 25 16:17:19 * CosmoHill pet pets poutsi 
Jun 25 16:17:33 <CosmoHill> it will get easier as you learn the weird cryptic language
Jun 25 16:18:58 <poutsi> thankfully I don't have a gPhone yet so I have no incentive to
Jun 25 16:19:55 <CosmoHill> I'm annoied at my cluster
Jun 25 16:20:02 <CosmoHill> wednesday it failed to install on anything
Jun 25 16:20:02 <poutsi> I'll just take this as a lesson in writing tutorials
Jun 25 16:20:08 <CosmoHill> today it installed first time and worked fine
Jun 25 16:20:34 <Talus_Laptop> greetings,
Jun 25 16:21:11 <CosmoHill> hello
Jun 25 16:21:40 <Blice> Stskeeps: 1ghz I guess is hardly embedded, but running Gnome on it? :/
Jun 25 16:21:49 <Stskeeps> Blice: dbus is hardly full gnome
Jun 25 16:22:04 <Stskeeps> what would you want instead? CORBA? :P
Jun 25 16:22:26 <Blice> No I would prefer dbus, lol
Jun 25 16:22:32 <Stskeeps> good
Jun 25 16:22:33 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 25 17:18:32 <trip0> meego is now loaded on wife's netbook
Jun 25 17:18:38 <trip0> we shall see if it passes the "wife test"
Jun 25 17:18:58 <slaine> trip0: careful, she'll probably just give you a list
Jun 25 17:19:33 <trip0> :-S
Jun 25 17:19:50 <slaine> There's no passing the wife test, there's only degrees of failure, you should know that by now
Jun 25 17:19:59 <slaine> ;P
Jun 25 17:20:04 <trip0> haha
Jun 25 18:44:55 <TSCHAKWerk> re wife/gf test: don't I know that. ugh
Jun 25 18:45:27 <TSCHAKWerk> I had a girlfriend who would WAKE ME UP in the morning, because she wanted me to reach over to the touch panel on our bed, and tap "TV"
Jun 25 18:45:44 <auke> lol
Jun 25 18:52:23 <DawnFoster> As the female in the house who provides all of the tech support, maybe I should run things through the boyfriend test? :)
Jun 25 18:55:15 <GAN900> TSCHAKWerk, clearly that was a ploy to get you to talk to her. :P
Jun 25 18:56:07 <TSCHAKWerk> GAN900: if that were the case, morning sex would have worked much better.
Jun 25 18:56:13 <TSCHAKWerk> ;)
Jun 25 18:56:56 <Aard> TSCHAKWerk: you have a somewhat weird definition of talking
Jun 25 18:57:30 <TSCHAKWerk> well, see, it wakes me up, and makes me alert enough for the conversation that inevitably follows. ;)
Jun 25 18:57:32 <GAN900> Ha
Jun 25 18:59:00 <TSCHAKWerk> but no, it was actually because I work on LinuxMCE, and the very first time she used it, I had been working on "that area" of the software, and it crashed the first time. I had since fixed the bug, but it was enough for her to never touch it again.
Jun 25 19:00:34 <Aard> should be enough reason for you to never touch _her_ again...
Jun 25 19:01:08 <TSCHAKWerk> which brings me to another sad but true point... Hackers can't have normal girlfriends, they don't understand you. Hackers can't also have hackers for girlfriends, you both starve. :P
Jun 25 19:17:00 <ravelo> wo
Jun 25 19:17:02 <ravelo> wow
Jun 25 19:17:03 <ravelo> hi
Jun 25 19:17:33 <CosmoHill> hello
Jun 25 21:22:07 <unohu62> Will it be posible to someday run meego on a Nokia N800 tablet and what's out there right now to run on it?
Jun 25 21:24:59 <ShadowJK> Well... realistically/practically speaking, N800 is kinda underpowered..
Jun 25 21:28:16 <unohu62> yes, I would agree. Is there anything I can run on it other than the 08 OS?
Jun 25 21:28:50 <arachnist> unohu62: mer?
Jun 25 21:30:54 <unohu62> yes, I thought it was inactive due to meego
Jun 25 21:32:03 <unohu62> I found this link http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N8x0
Jun 25 21:33:02 <ShadowJK> I get the vibe that N8x0 interest has been dropping off exponentially ever since N900 came out
Jun 25 21:35:58 <unohu62> Yes, like an ugly distance relative shooed away lol
Jun 25 21:36:38 <lbt> so ugly I bought a bag for mine...
Jun 25 21:37:10 <unohu62> that'd be ugly ;-)
Jun 25 21:37:50 <lbt> yeah, that link is the best one
Jun 25 21:38:12 <lbt> MeeGo should run (for some definition of 'MeeGo' and 'run')
Jun 25 21:38:56 <Aard> lbt: hey, at least it should be able to display the xterm as well as the n900 does ;)
Jun 25 21:39:07 <lbt> better!
Jun 25 21:41:30 <unohu62> have to wait and see, hopefully I can run something more current on it. Even if I use it just for CLI apps
Jun 25 21:43:00 <Aard> unohu62: x will work, the hardware just might struggle with all the shiny ui effects of the default ui stuff
Jun 25 21:44:42 <unohu62> do you think I could run debian-ARM on it?
Jun 25 21:45:16 <unohu62> I mean maemo is a form of debian
Jun 25 21:47:18 <Aard> quite likely, but don't expect a usable (as in, optimized for this type of device) ui
Jun 25 21:48:25 <Aard> I personally never did much with maemo-devices before n900 (had a look at it, and decided it was not a nice platform to develop on. changed with the introduction of qt, though)
Jun 25 21:50:29 <unohu62> Thx for the info guys, off for supper. Take Care.
Jun 25 22:10:20 <xmenmatrix> hi there, is there a way to fix the empathy connect error issue, or is it still unsolved
Jun 25 22:51:40 <trem> nite all, sweet dreams
Jun 25 23:11:42 <CosmoHill> cyas
Jun 26 01:51:40 <damian_> hi, where are the chromium img'sof meego i cant seem tofind them'
Jun 26 01:51:59 <damian_> i think you just soldme a n900 too
Jun 26 01:52:38 <damian_> whats the difference between chrome and chromium anyway. i always used chromium, thought the name chrome was a windows thing
Jun 26 01:53:53 <thynctank> Chrome is the consumer product
Jun 26 01:53:54 <thynctank> Chromium is the os project
Jun 26 01:54:24 <thynctank> Safari -> webkit: chrome -> chromium
Jun 26 01:57:40 <damian_> i run chromium os on a netbook, but,what about chromium browser
Jun 26 02:01:04 <damian_> or is it just the browser taken straight from the os?
Jun 26 02:01:04 <damian_> i know chrome isnt gpled but chromium is
Jun 26 02:02:10 <damian_> anyway whatever im downloading the chrome image
Jun 26 02:02:33 <damian_> im assuming the standard image has firefox
Jun 26 02:02:36 <damian_> ?
Jun 26 02:03:43 <thynctank> Firefox? That's a competing product
Jun 26 02:04:08 <TSCHAK> wrong thynctank
Jun 26 02:04:24 <TSCHAK> Chromium = WebKit based browser by Google
Jun 26 02:04:37 <TSCHAK> Chrome = Chromium + extra codecs and features
Jun 26 02:04:51 <TSCHAK> ChromeOS = Linux based distribution with Chrome.
Jun 26 02:05:00 <thynctank> I did leave out that it's based on webkit, yes
Jun 26 02:05:03 <TSCHAK> :)
Jun 26 02:05:11 * TSCHAK chuckles
Jun 26 02:05:15 <TSCHAK> that wasn't even the part you got wrong
Jun 26 02:05:16 <TSCHAK> but okay
Jun 26 02:05:23 <damian_> (BTW im talking about meego images, deciding what browser to use )
Jun 26 02:05:59 <thynctank> Okeydoke...
Jun 26 02:06:40 <damian_> seems chrome is the way to go anyway
Jun 26 02:06:40 <damian_> hmm
Jun 26 02:06:59 <damian_> meego1.0 server error file not found
Jun 26 02:08:04 <damian_> ohhhhhh. amazon LOL problemson my end. is there meego torrents
Jun 26 02:08:45 <damian_> ahh yes found one:)
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