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Jun 29 03:27:13 <copyleft> Stskeeps, dl9pf_: Done setup OBS 1.8 and repository of MeeGo 1.0 x86 :D
Jun 29 08:15:58 <rob_w> why is my meego img not booting as cdrom image in Virtualbox ?
Jun 29 08:17:11 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jun 29 08:18:28 <rob_w> hey jaffa
Jun 29 08:18:37 <fcocuadrado_> morning
Jun 29 08:19:01 <rob_w> i am trying to boot meego inside virtualbox .. but its stuck at the bootloader .. any ideas ?
Jun 29 08:25:54 <Jaffa> Not long left until the Handset UX gets its big reveal
Jun 29 08:25:57 <Jaffa> (hopefully)
Jun 29 08:27:04 <weggi> <ad
Jun 29 08:27:17 <weggi> uups, sorry :)
Jun 29 08:27:42 <rob_w> ok how do i put the img to a usbstick ?
Jun 29 08:28:07 <Aard> rob_w: dd
Jun 29 08:28:14 <rob_w> thx
Jun 29 08:28:31 <Aard> as for virtualbox, try a vdi image. cd images are known not to work in virtualbox
Jun 29 08:28:54 <rob_w> yeah i got that to work somehow but now i want to see it for real
Jun 29 08:56:37 <Aard> \\
Jun 29 09:02:36 <slaine> howdy y'all
Jun 29 09:04:07 <amjad> hi slaine
Jun 29 09:04:32 <slaine> how's that netbook working ?
Jun 29 09:07:04 <amjad> great
Jun 29 09:15:06 <slaine> amjad: what model was it
Jun 29 09:15:25 <slaine> I'm interested in getting a netbook with an Intel D4xx or D5xx Atom
Jun 29 09:15:31 <amjad> eMachines em350
Jun 29 09:15:46 <amjad> with intel atom 450
Jun 29 09:16:17 <amjad> it is cheap and good for a test machine
Jun 29 09:18:38 <slaine> thanks
Jun 29 09:34:44 <FunkyPenguin> anyone able to help with a moblin-panel-status error please?
Jun 29 09:35:04 <FunkyPenguin> im getting moblin-panel-status no-return-in-nonvoid-function mps-geotag-pane.c:366
Jun 29 09:40:08 <Junnu> any idea if meego would run in old flybook a33?
Jun 29 10:01:12 <FunkyPenguin> Junnu, what's the processor/graphics chipset?
Jun 29 10:06:41 <amjad> it is transmete processor
Jun 29 10:06:50 <amjad> and i am sure it does not support sse3
Jun 29 10:09:40 <slaine> probably not so Junnu
Jun 29 10:09:48 <slaine> not until we get a generic x86 release
Jun 29 10:26:33 <Junnu> ok, thanks for info
Jun 29 10:48:17 <amjad> and i have just build the rpm for xchat  for meego , only if obs was open
Jun 29 11:24:39 <Trollkarlen> Stskeeps: I saw a thread where you talked about spectacle, what the main problem that is solves and/or whats the benefit that comes with it compares to using just spec files ?
Jun 29 12:47:53 <ius> Err, does http://meego.com/user/register enforce a minimum username length?
Jun 29 12:48:25 <ius> "Use only letters a-z and/or digits 0-9 for username" -> That's what I did, three letters to be precise.
Jun 29 12:49:20 <ius> Oh reading comprehension is what it's called isn't it. Lower case, right.
Jun 29 12:59:49 <maboman> Is there any activity going on, to get Meego running ok also on non intel net/notebooks?
Jun 29 13:05:51 <maboman> I'd like to get that installed to old IBM T43 ... but cannot pass installation with btrfs partitions. Maybe same problem as in Bug 2354 and Bug 2504 and some others.
Jun 29 13:35:12 <FunkyPenguin> anyone able to advise if the messagingframework tests are needed on a live system?
Jun 29 13:36:08 <FunkyPenguin> trying to package messagingframework as is in repo.meego.com causes no end of rpath pain on opensuse
Jun 29 13:36:54 <Aard> why do you create a new package of something that already exists?
Jun 29 13:40:35 <FunkyPenguin> Aard, because it doesnt exist in opensuse
Jun 29 13:41:16 <Aard> oh, makes sense. thought you were trying to use a custom one for meego
Jun 29 13:41:55 <Aard> and no, you don't need the tests for the end-user, but it's quite handy to have them to test if everything is working the way it should. so, preferably include the tests
Jun 29 13:44:02 <FunkyPenguin> Aard, thanks for the clarification
Jun 29 13:44:03 <Aard> you might also want to have a look at this repository, contains a few changes which make packaging easier (though you can't use it if you don't want to use the accounts-sso framework)
Jun 29 13:44:36 <Aard> (future meego-versions of messagingframework will be from that repository)
Jun 29 13:45:34 <FunkyPenguin> Aard, as long as it has working rpath stuf then great :)
Jun 29 13:45:39 <FunkyPenguin> what's the repository?
Jun 29 13:47:03 <Aard> that's a fork of the generic messagingframework with support for accounts-sso
Jun 29 13:48:59 <FunkyPenguin> Aard, sorry what's the url?
Jun 29 13:49:34 <Aard> oh, sorry, thought I already pasted it :)
Jun 29 13:49:36 <Aard> http://meego.gitorious.com/meego-middleware/messagingframework
Jun 29 13:49:43 <FunkyPenguin> ah excellent thanks
Jun 29 13:50:37 <fabo> yum provides "*/QtCore"
Jun 29 13:50:40 <fabo> No Matches found
Jun 29 13:50:46 <fabo> any ideas ?
Jun 29 13:51:11 <FunkyPenguin> is there a tarball for the new messaging framework or will i have to roll my own?
Jun 29 13:51:24 <Aard> roll your own. git archive is your friend
Jun 29 13:51:28 <fabo> FunkyPenguin: roll your own
Jun 29 13:54:11 <FunkyPenguin> thanks
Jun 29 14:21:26 <FunkyPenguin> Aard, sorry to bother you, but any chance you could advise on the following error please? http://pastie.org/1023401
Jun 29 14:21:54 <Aard> FunkyPenguin: that's from the accounts framework I mentioned
Jun 29 14:21:55 <FunkyPenguin> that what i get with with using the meego-middleware branch of messagingframework
Jun 29 14:23:14 <Aard> yes, because we're going to use accounts-sse for account storage. if you don't want that just have a look at the repository if some of the changes make your life easier, and cherry pick
Jun 29 14:23:30 <Aard> if you do, you need to include accounts-glib and accounts-qt from here: http://gitorious.org/accounts-sso/
Jun 29 14:23:52 <Aard> (rpm packages for that are in meego daily)
Jun 29 14:25:57 <FunkyPenguin> ick, ok thanks
Jun 29 14:26:22 <fabo> replying to myself: yum.repos.d is empy when you generate an image. You should add a repo yourself.
Jun 29 14:27:18 <Aard> fabo: add --save to the repositories in your kickstart file you want present in the image
Jun 29 14:28:41 <fabo> Aard: thanks for the hint
Jun 29 14:37:42 <dl9pf_> copyleft: great !
Jun 29 15:03:58 <sameo> anyone here familiar with Nokia's IDLETIMER iptables target ?
Jun 29 15:04:50 <Robot101> sameo: is this to plug in to the heartbeat / iphb stuff?
Jun 29 15:05:49 <Robot101> sameo: if so I'm not aware of it other than it exists, and that iphpd is inexplicably closed source, and that we were required to plug into the libiphb at some point for XMPP keepalives too
Jun 29 15:09:11 <sameo> Robot101: never heard about iphb, which stands for IP heartbeat ?
Jun 29 15:09:49 <sameo> Robot101: I was mostly interested to see which rules is Nokia setting for the IDLETIMER target
Jun 29 15:10:42 <Robot101> sameo: yeah, the idea is that there is one source of wakeups on the system which require the wifi antenna to be turned on and packets sent and received, and that userland keepalives and TCP keepalives and acks are delayed until this timer goes off
Jun 29 15:11:10 <Robot101> at a guess some code stolen from Symbian and ported hence the inexplicable license and own IPC system
Jun 29 15:12:00 <sameo> lovely
Jun 29 15:17:40 <saltsa_> is the pre-alpha version to be released today?
Jun 29 15:22:15 <TSCHAKeee2> boy howdy they're pushing handset down to the wire
Jun 29 15:22:38 <TSCHAKeee2> June 30.. HAAAA WE DID SAY JUNE! WE DID SAY JUNE!
Jun 29 15:22:41 <TSCHAKeee2> :P
Jun 29 15:31:51 <slaine> TSCHAKeee2: there's a TSG meeting on tomorrow. My guess is that it'll be out before then :)
Jun 29 15:33:08 <Aard> it looks promising ;)
Jun 29 15:43:33 <rjack> Is there a website where I can browse all the packages that can be installed on meego? Something like packages.ubuntu.com, but for meego.
Jun 29 16:19:58 <Aard> #win goto search
Jun 29 16:23:02 <dino4k> Hi, we're trying meego on an eeePc 901. We booted from sd card, everything seems fine but the touchpad doesn't work. Any ideas how to debug?
Jun 29 18:31:46 <Gaffoonie> 'lo
Jun 29 18:35:42 <Myrtti> this break from idling was brought to you by artichoke pasta. OMNOMNOM
Jun 29 19:30:35 <lbt> DawnFoster: pingy... how do I get a meego-* chan on irc? :)
Jun 29 19:30:57 <CosmoHill> hey lbt
Jun 29 19:31:15 <DawnFoster> lbt I'm trying to avoid too much fragmentation with too many IRC channels, lists, etc.
Jun 29 19:31:28 <DawnFoster> lbt: what do you need to talk about that you can't talk about here?
Jun 29 19:31:31 <lbt> DawnFoster: it's for our team - cf meego-arm
Jun 29 19:31:52 <DawnFoster> didn't the meego arm team already create one
Jun 29 19:32:28 <CosmoHill> if the channels fragment to much DawnFoster's head will explode
Jun 29 19:32:37 <CosmoHill> and I'm not cleaning that up again
Jun 29 19:32:41 <DawnFoster> cosmohill: exactly! :)
Jun 29 19:32:47 <lbt> we want to work in the open but this is a social channel
Jun 29 19:32:59 <lbt> we can stay in our private chat room on jabber...
Jun 29 19:33:12 <DawnFoster> theoretically, this is a work channel
Jun 29 19:33:19 <lbt> #meego-infra
Jun 29 19:33:23 <DawnFoster> why can't you use #meego-arm?
Jun 29 19:33:26 <lbt> practically it's not
Jun 29 19:33:31 <CosmoHill> #meego-singles
Jun 29 19:33:34 <lbt> because we're not an arm team
Jun 29 19:33:41 <lbt> we're an infra team
Jun 29 19:33:44 <CosmoHill> very creepy chanane, avoid it if you can
Jun 29 19:34:14 <Myrtti> it's not like this channel is teaming with action
Jun 29 19:34:24 <DawnFoster> I'd like to see you try to use this channel
Jun 29 19:34:49 <DawnFoster> we can split it out later, but this channel doesn't have that much activity & I'd like to get more work stuff in this channel, too
Jun 29 19:34:57 <lbt> mmm we discussed it and don't want to. it's distracting when we have work to do
Jun 29 19:35:02 <DawnFoster> I think it's been mostly social because there hasn't been as much work
Jun 29 19:35:04 <lbt> this is our pay-job
Jun 29 19:35:17 <DawnFoster> as is the case for many of us
Jun 29 19:35:53 <lcuk> DawnFoster, even workplaces have watercoolers.  #meego acts as that and enough folks here can direct people to appropriate siderooms
Jun 29 19:35:54 <lbt> :)
Jun 29 19:36:14 <lbt> sadly *our* pay job doesn't involve herding the masses
Jun 29 19:36:15 <DawnFoster> the problem with splitting every subgroup out into a separate channel is that the work gets too fragmented
Jun 29 19:36:21 <Myrtti> lcuk: #ubuntu is strictly for support and #ubuntu-offtopic is the watercooler
Jun 29 19:36:24 <CosmoHill> you have paid jobs?!
Jun 29 19:37:00 <DawnFoster> lbt: we have lots of people in this channel who are working on meego as part of their pay jobs (not counting me)
Jun 29 19:37:20 <lbt> sure... I see zero *work* going on here
Jun 29 19:37:25 <lbt> cf #meego-aem
Jun 29 19:37:27 <lbt> arm
Jun 29 19:37:34 <w00t_> fwiw, taking today as an example, I see pretty much no off-topic chat until now
Jun 29 19:37:35 <lbt> sorry, development work
Jun 29 19:37:36 <lpotter_> DawnFoster: I would agree with you about keeping convo's here. I ready have too many channels I need to watch
Jun 29 19:37:54 <DawnFoster> lbt: so, let's talk about the root cause
Jun 29 19:38:12 <w00t_> I see discussions about meego middleware, booting it on a few devices, ...
Jun 29 19:38:24 <DawnFoster> too many side conversations / social activity?
Jun 29 19:38:40 <lbt> look guys... this is our team :)   We want a reasonably quiet area to focus on work... There's "working in the open" and there's "performance arts"....
Jun 29 19:38:51 <lbt> we are not in the latter group
Jun 29 19:38:55 <DawnFoster> I want to have as few channels as possible where people can get their work done while still keeping track and collaborating across teams
Jun 29 19:39:08 <lbt> fair enough...
Jun 29 19:39:14 <DawnFoster> if we need to break the work from the social, let's talk about that
Jun 29 19:39:25 <DawnFoster> the answer is not to create a new channel for every subteam
Jun 29 19:39:33 <lpotter_> how about #meego-dev ?
Jun 29 19:39:43 <lbt> lpotter_: you beat me to it
Jun 29 19:39:43 <DawnFoster> you can see how that would spiral out of control and make it impossible to get work done.
Jun 29 19:39:44 <lcuk> already there
Jun 29 19:39:48 <lcuk> as well as meego-devel
Jun 29 19:39:51 <lbt> (I was shifting my cat)
Jun 29 19:40:03 <DawnFoster> neither of those are official channels
Jun 29 19:40:33 <lbt> *nod* hence I  (at least) was asking :)
Jun 29 19:40:40 <DawnFoster> I wonder if we need to go to #meego-offtopic and leave this channel for work
Jun 29 19:40:53 <lbt> that ship has sailed
Jun 29 19:40:59 <DawnFoster> not all work fits under -dev or -devel - I think those names are misleading
Jun 29 19:41:12 <lpotter_> sounds reaonable
Jun 29 19:42:06 * lbt thinks we'll just spend more time directing people to meego-offtopic
Jun 29 19:42:32 <lcuk> we would - and to counter Myrtti's point about ubuntu
Jun 29 19:42:39 <lcuk> try doing actual work in #ubuntu
Jun 29 19:42:43 <lbt> I'll go with a #meego-be-quiet-unless-youre-working
Jun 29 19:42:58 <w00t_> lcuk: #ubuntu is a lot bigger
Jun 29 19:42:59 <lbt> and try that for a while
Jun 29 19:43:03 <DawnFoster> lbt: you lose points for brevity on that one :)
Jun 29 19:43:14 <lcuk> w00t_, you doubt #meego will grow that much?
Jun 29 19:43:16 <DawnFoster> we could try something like #meego-work
Jun 29 19:43:21 <lbt> OK
Jun 29 19:43:23 <w00t_> lcuk: I don't doubt it will grow, but it isn't that big *now*
Jun 29 19:43:38 <w00t_> the point is that it's a lot easier to split things out when required, but a lot harder to consolidate them if they grow unnecessarily
Jun 29 19:44:31 <DawnFoster> Let's spend a couple of days thinking about it before we create it
Jun 29 19:44:40 <lbt> I'm happy to chase our team into #meego-work for now... we'll see how it goes and what happens if others join us
Jun 29 19:44:42 <w00t_> (critical mass, etc)
Jun 29 19:44:57 <DawnFoster> lbt: let's not start more unofficial channels
Jun 29 19:45:15 <lbt> DawnFoster: sure..
Jun 29 19:45:29 <lbt> so... where do we go tomorrow morning?
Jun 29 19:45:42 <DawnFoster> Since half of the community is asleep right now, I'd like to get a few more opinions :)
Jun 29 19:45:44 <lbt> (it's like the first day in a new job)
Jun 29 19:46:05 <Aard> lbt: (reading backlog) does that arm thingy mean you're doing n900 images as well?
Jun 29 19:46:06 <lcuk> lbt your desk is in the entrance hall :P
Jun 29 19:46:25 <lbt> Aard: we're not arm... but yes
Jun 29 19:46:48 <lbt> we're writing things like the image generator web service
Jun 29 19:46:53 <lpotter> Aard: its been stated that n900 is a reference platform for nokia
Jun 29 19:46:58 <lbt> and process automation
Jun 29 19:47:17 <Aard> lpotter: I'm with nokia
Jun 29 19:47:31 * w00t_ has a bit of a laugh
Jun 29 19:47:47 <lbt> Aard: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-infrastructure-tools
Jun 29 19:47:52 <w00t_> lpotter: isn't it like super early there btw?
Jun 29 19:48:11 <lpotter> I wouldnt say 6 am is super early
Jun 29 19:48:16 * lbt would
Jun 29 19:48:20 <lpotter> some might though
Jun 29 19:48:48 <Aard> lbt: just trying to collect people who do have experience with n900 image building. got a spare one on my desk for toying around, though doing mainly work on x86 stuff
Jun 29 19:49:04 <w00t_> lpotter: ah - that is a bit more reasonable, I thought it was like 4.. but yes, for me, 6 is still way too early :)
Jun 29 19:49:10 <w00t_> (or too late, actually)
Jun 29 19:49:36 <lbt> Aard: OK - we're not it :)   when you have something to the level you want to automate it... talk to us :)
Jun 29 19:50:30 <lpotter> Aard: me too. qt-mobility
Jun 29 19:50:45 <Aard> lbt: haha, good one. I've build an n900 image with handset-ux today, but did not have the time to actually try if it works. the ones who actually will want this automated are most likely not me, though
Jun 29 19:50:50 <DawnFoster> lbt: ping me again tomorrow & we'll talk about the IRC channels again
Jun 29 19:51:12 <lbt> DawnFoster: OK, will do.
Jun 29 19:51:24 * lbt wanders off .... l8r all
Jun 29 19:51:35 <lcuk> gnite lbt \o
Jun 29 19:51:45 <DawnFoster> later lbt
Jun 29 19:52:45 <Aard> lpotter: oh, qt-mobility. messed around with contacts earlier, qmake project files are in an "interesting" state there ;)
Jun 29 19:56:52 <lcuk> DawnFoster, are you watching the worldcup?
Jun 29 19:57:22 <DawnFoster> lcuk: nope. I avoid watching sports of any kind (I watch very little TV anyway)
Jun 29 19:58:06 <Myrtti> I was lucky, I got away from UK on the second day of the worldcup, on the morning of England game
Jun 29 19:58:47 <DawnFoster> they actually put parental control locks on the TVs in the lobby because the people watching were too disruptive :)
Jun 29 19:59:03 <DawnFoster> but they set up huge viewing areas on big TVs in the cafeterias
Jun 29 19:59:43 <w00t_> what is this "world cup" everyone speaks of
Jun 29 20:00:12 <lcuk> its meant to be some collection of vuvuzela concerts
Jun 29 20:00:25 <lcuk> but people keep playing football and ruining the orchestra
Jun 29 20:00:47 <DawnFoster> BTW, I just posted the agenda for the TSG meeting tomorrow: http://wiki.meego.com/Technical_Steering_Group_meetings
Jun 29 20:01:28 <TSCHAKeee2> thanks :)
Jun 29 20:01:42 <auke> the soccer is interrupting with the vuvuzela concert
Jun 29 20:01:46 <auke> how rude :D
Jun 29 20:01:51 <TSCHAKeee2> mmm, prune juice.. a warrior's drink.
Jun 29 20:02:02 <w00t_> DawnFoster: ta!
Jun 29 20:02:08 <lcuk> TSCHAKeee2, im always afraid to drink that
Jun 29 20:02:19 <TSCHAKeee2> i will be so glad, when i no longer hear those "butt trumpets"
Jun 29 20:02:23 <TSCHAKeee2> :P
Jun 29 20:02:33 <lcuk> i am afraid to end up speaking klingon and lusting after alligators
Jun 29 20:02:38 <TSCHAKeee2> heheheh
Jun 29 20:02:39 <w00t_> I find the vuvuzelas quite calming
Jun 29 20:03:00 <w00t_> reminds me a bit of http://simplynoise.com/
Jun 29 20:03:02 <lcuk> w00t_, ive got the vuvuzela background music on nowadays
Jun 29 20:03:04 <w00t_> (which I can highly recommend)
Jun 29 20:03:26 <DawnFoster> TSCHAKeee2 - it's only a warrior's drink if you're a klingon :)
Jun 29 20:03:35 <TSCHAKeee2> hehehh
Jun 29 20:04:25 <TSCHAKeee2> lcuk, w00t_: http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/vuvu-idiots-19.jpg?w=500 ;)
Jun 29 20:05:09 <TSCHAKeee2> the anti-4'33"
Jun 29 20:05:13 <TSCHAKeee2> :P
Jun 29 20:05:16 <lcuk> nice, ill have to learn to play that one day
Jun 29 20:10:50 <TSCHAKeee2> http://www.theatlanticwire.com/features/view/feature/Germans-Play-Brahms-on-Vuvuzelas-1507?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+TheAtlanticWire+(The+Atlantic+Wire)
Jun 29 21:31:05 <Gaffoonie> 'lo
Jun 29 21:32:50 <CosmoHill> salut
Jun 29 21:33:04 <trem> nite all, sweet dreams
Jun 29 21:33:11 <thiago_home> hey CosmoHill
Jun 29 21:33:21 <CosmoHill> trem: !!!!!!
Jun 29 21:58:10 <CosmoHill> http://i48.tinypic.com/2quklxy.jpg
Jun 29 21:58:15 <CosmoHill> woof / rawr
Jun 29 22:02:05 <leinir> CosmoHill: Funky :)
Jun 29 22:02:11 <CosmoHill> :3
Jun 29 22:27:43 <night_amir> hi all)
Jun 29 22:28:17 <CosmoHill> salut
Jun 29 22:29:29 <CosmoHill> anyone know about VMware ESXi 4.0?
Jun 29 22:32:00 <rohanpm> CosmoHill: I use it... what about it?
Jun 29 22:32:43 <rohanpm> hold on, actually I use "VMware ESX 4.0.0", is that `i' a `marketing-i' or does it mean something?
Jun 29 22:33:09 <CosmoHill> the 'i' doesn't have a linux control on the server
Jun 29 22:35:37 <night_amir> do anybody know, will be MeeGo SDK for Windows?
Jun 29 22:36:02 <CosmoHill> pretty sure it's a chroot enviroment so no
Jun 29 22:43:04 <CosmoHill> I'm using VMware go but it's annoying the crap out of me
Jun 29 22:43:38 <rohanpm> CosmoHill, what's the problem?
Jun 29 22:44:11 <CosmoHill> looking at VMware Go, I can't find the VM network settings or how to resize the hard drive
Jun 29 22:46:17 <CosmoHill> I downloaded VMware vSphere client off the ESXi server but the damn thing doesn't support 7
Jun 29 22:48:36 <CosmoHill> night night
Jun 30 00:06:19 <the_lord> Hi
Jun 30 00:06:41 <the_lord> is it true that tomorrow I'll have meego in my N900 ?
Jun 30 00:43:32 <GAN900> No
Jun 30 00:43:58 <GAN900> The "day one" release of the Handset UX will (hopefully) be out.
Jun 30 00:49:20 <TSCHAKeee2> GAN900: right down to the wire
Jun 30 00:56:56 <GAN900> Aye
Jun 30 00:57:00 <GAN900> Always is with Nokia
Jun 30 00:57:07 <GAN900> It'll probably be delayed.
Jun 30 02:19:17 <amjad> has ny one got a mips netbook yet??
Jun 30 02:24:34 <TSCHAKeee2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg&feature=player_embedded
Jun 30 02:49:06 <luke-jr> amjad: RMS does
Jun 30 02:49:16 <luke-jr> Yeeloong
Jun 30 02:49:30 <luke-jr> I'd buy one if they were a bit more reasonably priced :/
Jun 30 02:54:58 <ml-mobile> you can get a Ben!
Jun 30 02:56:11 <ml-mobile> bit small though
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