**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 02 02:59:57 2010 Jul 02 04:02:03 anyone successfully installed handset ux in virtualbox? Jul 02 07:43:11 good morning! Jul 02 07:43:28 $time_of_day Jul 02 07:43:46 ok good day! :D Jul 02 09:39:25 thank crunchy its friday Jul 02 09:41:37 slaine, now you made me crave a crunchie! Jul 02 09:41:52 hmmm, crunchie Jul 02 10:11:17 meego v1.0 can be install in vmware. It maybe is the video driver problem. Anyone concerns it? Jul 02 10:11:26 can -> can't Jul 02 10:42:01 Hi Jul 02 10:59:24 Hi all, I'm a bit confused with the Meego SDK vs. Nokia Qt SDK. I thought the Nokia SDK would be the primary environment for writing Meego apps, but it appears that there is a Meego SDK too. Or is the Meego SDK strictly for developing the platform, as opposed to developing user applications? Jul 02 10:59:44 Any insight would be appreciated Jul 02 11:09:01 ArtVandalae: two seperate things there really.. the meego SDK is probably going to end up being more useful for platform developers, the Qt SDK for application developers Jul 02 11:09:41 w00t_, thanks, that's what I needed to know Jul 02 11:16:20 just read about symbian-guru. makes me scared Jul 02 11:16:35 i did my first symbian app in 2004 for Newlc opensummer competition Jul 02 11:20:45 Tili, why scared? Jul 02 11:21:13 scared that Nokia is dying and iPhone is so much saturated Jul 02 11:21:25 so less for app developers Jul 02 11:22:28 windows mobile has betrayed me Jul 02 11:22:41 10 years of learning and now whole OS will be changed and no more C/C++ API Jul 02 11:26:24 the transformation from C++ => C# shouldn't be a painful one :) the other side though is whether you prefer language changes Jul 02 11:32:34 Tili: I'm not sure to agree that Nokia is dying Jul 02 11:33:05 they're late on the smartphone market compared to apple, that's true Jul 02 11:33:22 sandst1: the api looks very small for C#/.NET for windows phone 7 Jul 02 11:33:29 but their approach is much better Jul 02 11:33:33 it feels like windows phone 7 is going back Jul 02 11:34:05 pinchartl: I surely love how they are going for open source and Qt. I just love the idea of having Qt there Jul 02 11:34:11 Tili: I wouldn't bet on windows phone 7. microsoft will pay developers big bucks to have a barely living applications ecosystem, but the product will likely be a failure Jul 02 11:34:15 what else you are referring to that you like in their approach Jul 02 11:34:26 how open they are, compared to apple Jul 02 11:34:39 you own your device, you can do pretty much what you want with it Jul 02 11:34:45 and they open lots of source code Jul 02 11:34:57 pinchartl: I agree. windows phone 7 might fail badly for developers. C# was always available for windows mobile developmebt but hardly anyone used it for commercial apps. Jul 02 11:35:22 symbian API itself was most extensive and yes I love tinkering Jul 02 11:35:42 Nokia needs to fix the ecosystem for apps and have to really make proper phones Jul 02 11:35:56 nothign after N95-8GB came out to be a star Jul 02 11:36:05 I've never used symbian, but from what I saw it really felt like the API had a lot of history. it wasn't consistent at all Jul 02 11:36:22 the N900 is much better than the N95 ;-) Jul 02 11:36:29 Tili: good point. Well, at least they've got over the path of "hey let's take the desktop code and shove it into a mobile device" ^^ Jul 02 11:37:41 sandst1: yeah that is true. but they could have kept the core API same and just had to redo the User interface Jul 02 11:37:57 somehow they thought that forcing Silverlight and C# to everyone would make it better Jul 02 11:38:12 N900 is indeed good device. forgot about it as it is not symbian Jul 02 11:38:50 so what do you guys see as future in Mobile dev specially for app developers? Jul 02 11:39:20 we'll have a very fragmented market for a long time Jul 02 11:39:25 E71 was good Jul 02 11:39:27 iphone, android, meego Jul 02 11:39:38 (windows 7 phone as well maybe) Jul 02 11:39:45 and symbian of course Jul 02 11:39:58 meego and symbian will share some API, thanks to Qt Jul 02 11:40:20 that might help them being successful Jul 02 11:40:21 I wouldn't really worry about fragmentation in the sense of having several operating systems Jul 02 11:40:41 I'd worry about single operating systems having such fragmented devices that you end up forced to write code for every one of them, or just focusing on one device Jul 02 11:41:11 Or single operating systems being so "customized"/"enhanced" by operators or device vendors that they become fragmented from the main os Jul 02 11:41:34 that adds to the OS fragmentation, yes Jul 02 11:41:40 it's not a problem for apple Jul 02 11:41:45 well symbian might die as N8 is the last device going to be with Symbian Jul 02 11:41:50 Samsung is already pushing for Bada Jul 02 11:41:54 last n series device you mean Jul 02 11:42:07 i thought last ever device? Jul 02 11:42:09 no Jul 02 11:42:11 or is it only last N series Jul 02 11:42:12 oh ok Jul 02 11:42:18 so symbian stays but not on N series anymore Jul 02 11:42:20 symbian will exist in the other series Jul 02 11:42:23 Tili: symbian will live for a long time on the non-N devices Jul 02 11:42:33 that is even worse Jul 02 11:42:49 nokia will have to compete internally between OS Jul 02 11:42:52 Tili: symbian will stay in the other series, and I'm not sure about the N series. I've heard rumours, but got no official information Jul 02 11:43:06 it's not a competition, it's different markets Jul 02 11:43:29 you can't expect a low-end, $25 cellphone to run Linux at the moment Jul 02 11:44:31 in the near future I see Linux on high-end devices, and Symbian on low-end and middle ground Jul 02 11:44:56 Hi all ! Jul 02 11:45:01 This one states S^4 is not totally ruled out from N-series http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/07/02/the-fightback-starts-now/ Jul 02 11:45:10 Linux will probably slowly invade the midrange Jul 02 11:48:06 well nokia better stop fragmenting OS and devices Jul 02 11:49:33 Tili, my favourite example is how when they wrote an app for symbian they had 6 different versions of it and it still only worked on about 8 devices out of 40+ ;-) Jul 02 11:50:05 yeah Jul 02 11:50:28 that sucks. the vast differences in hardware hurt badly Jul 02 11:50:46 you can't say that your app can run on all phones with same OS. Jul 02 11:50:51 Tili: there is no OS that can span from the lowest range to the top, there just isn't. You either drop the whole range or you use an appropriate OS Jul 02 11:51:06 no keep the range Jul 02 11:51:13 i dont minde S40 and S60 differences Jul 02 11:51:36 but I hate how one phone of S60 would have vfps and other running S60 won't Jul 02 11:51:58 i mean why not just divide into 3 categories and stop with weird naming convention Jul 02 11:52:02 Tili: but what's that got to do with the number of OSes ? Jul 02 11:52:33 why not just say something like Nokia (low end), Nokia Pro (for high end) Jul 02 11:53:02 not talking about number of OS right now. Jul 02 11:53:26 was taking earlier chat forward about how not just number of OS make it difficult but having same OS on different hardware can make it even more fragmented Jul 02 11:53:51 well, difference fragments, no doubts about that :) Jul 02 11:54:32 so i am sort of complaining about 3 things. Number of OS within Nokia, different hardware within same OS and vast variety of phones and naming conventions Jul 02 11:55:46 first two are shaky at best. HTC has/uses more OSes than Nokia, and different hardware is a must in mobile space... as for naming, that one I agree with Jul 02 11:56:58 yeah HTC does that too and is not really good Jul 02 11:57:10 achipa, how many osses htc has? Jul 02 11:57:25 Tili: Okay, then Sammy ? They use a boatload of OSes, too Jul 02 11:57:29 Android, Windows Phone 7 are the 2 HTC uses Jul 02 11:57:35 htc has android, various interations of windows mobile/phone/ce Jul 02 11:57:39 yeah Sammy can't make up mind it seems Jul 02 11:57:40 and brew Jul 02 11:57:51 HTC has brew too? never knew that Jul 02 11:58:05 samsung has brew, android, symbian, their own prop OS and now BADA Jul 02 11:58:30 Tili: http://www.mydigitallife.info/2010/01/09/htc-smart-with-htc-sense-running-on-qualcomm-brew-mp-mobile-platform/ Jul 02 11:58:33 htc smart runs brew Jul 02 11:59:08 ok so 3 OS Jul 02 12:03:05 if you regard windows mobile versions as different should we consider symbian versions to be different too? Jul 02 12:03:55 still, at best it's 'as much os-es' Jul 02 12:04:09 nokia has however symbian x y z a b c d etc, s30, s40, maemo, meego Jul 02 12:04:43 yeah same OS iterations is not what i am complaining about Jul 02 12:04:53 iphone and android has had plenty of new firmware Jul 02 12:04:58 except WinPho7, that one does kind of stray... Jul 02 12:05:00 i just want less fragmentation Jul 02 12:05:22 so when i develop an app for OS XYZ, then all phones running XYZ and + would have it working fine Jul 02 12:05:42 that's another story. Qt is supposed to solve that problem. Jul 02 12:05:46 yeah winpho7 is totally new story but it also kills old ones Jul 02 12:05:46 so it is a replacement Jul 02 12:06:05 if MS says that windows 6.5 will be used in some phones and others will use winpho7 then that is what I don't want Jul 02 12:06:21 ahicpa: not really Jul 02 12:06:35 same OS or API ends up behaving differently on different phones Jul 02 12:06:44 Tili, well, there aren't just "basic phone" people and "high end" people Jul 02 12:06:46 because of differences in memory/processor Jul 02 12:06:53 i wish that was the case Jul 02 12:07:00 just call it Nokia Basic and Nokia Pro Jul 02 12:07:11 and then iterate Nokia Basic 1 and Nokia Pro 1 and so on Jul 02 12:07:15 Tili: ? how's that any different from desktops ? Jul 02 12:07:29 it is very different Jul 02 12:07:43 it's not very straightforward for a company like nokia who tries to have influence in asia, africa, europe, us, within old and young people, different cultures, character sets and so on Jul 02 12:07:53 a software coded for Windows XP would run on all PCs Jul 02 12:08:10 surfa: yeah that is the trouble with Nokia Jul 02 12:08:17 but this makes life of developers difficult Jul 02 12:08:20 and ? Qt can't do that ? Jul 02 12:08:43 Tili, it is, but that's partly why s30 and s40 for example have totally different scope than symbian and meego Jul 02 12:08:45 well ideall Symbian itself can do that Jul 02 12:08:49 Qt is just additional layer on top Jul 02 12:09:00 Tili, you even shouldn't care about s40 if you're dealing in western countries Jul 02 12:09:08 Tili: no it isn't Jul 02 12:09:13 roughly.. Jul 02 12:09:20 yeah i agree. dont care about s40 Jul 02 12:09:30 That aspect of symbian is fantastic, if you don't buy the phone in china you can't have chinese chars, so all the dictionary apps become useless because the translation is a series of identical boxes :-) Jul 02 12:09:31 Tili: it is for Windows, Linux as they have their own GUIs, but Symbian and MeeGo WILL be Qt Jul 02 12:09:32 and i dont mind if it exists. i call it Nokia Basic in my above example Jul 02 12:09:41 Tili, so basically from now on you should only be concerned of Qt Jul 02 12:09:54 Tili, it shouldn't be that complicated anymore Jul 02 12:10:08 but I dont want N8 and N97 and N97 mini and 5800 ...... as so different phones that it becomes pain to test on all Jul 02 12:10:28 do you really have to target on all of them Jul 02 12:10:31 yeah i did my last software in Qt. it was a lot easier Jul 02 12:10:47 have to mostly Jul 02 12:10:50 Tili, ovi store allows you to select target countries and phones i think? Jul 02 12:10:55 else market share is small Jul 02 12:11:04 oh ok, i see Jul 02 12:11:22 that's kind of a problem agreed Jul 02 12:11:43 what kind of qa distribution in ovi store e.g. requires.. i'm not really familiar Jul 02 12:12:16 could you just occupy community to do qa to some point Jul 02 12:12:34 could be Jul 02 12:12:44 but i am talking about removing root cause Jul 02 12:13:02 if nokia says that they are going to be more consistent with hardware and make it clear Jul 02 12:13:07 then it should be easier for us Jul 02 12:13:32 i just want simplicity and someone please tell them to start using proper human names for phones Jul 02 12:13:53 it is easier to relate to names than weird numbers like 6120, 6600 N900 Jul 02 12:16:03 Tili: how is it going to be better ? sure, while they have 5 phones, ok, but after 3 years, that's 50 names... Jul 02 12:16:28 Tili, if the qt works as it's supposed to, you shouldn't have to make qa for every phone Jul 02 12:17:17 Surfa: isn't qt sitting on top of Symbian API itself Jul 02 12:17:18 won't we have screen size differences in phones? Jul 02 12:17:18 and memory differences Jul 02 12:17:23 and that would mean that we always need Qa Jul 02 12:17:52 it is not Qt's fault if my app crashes on one phone because of low mem Jul 02 12:18:17 Tili: in theory you can see all sizes in the qt simulator and RDA Jul 02 12:18:37 as for memory, you need to figure out how much you need and solidify that as a requirement Jul 02 12:18:38 qt equipped phones should have somewhat similar capabilities in terms of memory actually.. and screensize shouldn't be a problem really, use simulator Jul 02 12:19:31 i hope that you're not developing for highest end nokia phone in a way that you're planning to use all memory and if it's not available.. just crash :) Jul 02 12:19:43 achipa: yes and this is applicable to core Symbian API too. but i have had enough experiences with different devices doing weird things Jul 02 12:20:03 well at least there are no private apis and similar magic here... Jul 02 12:20:29 achipa: indeed. that is why I really hope Nokia shines Jul 02 12:20:44 they did better things for developers in terms of API and how open their phones are to programming Jul 02 12:23:12 we'll see as more qt equipped phones arrive Jul 02 12:23:59 yeah Jul 02 12:26:06 Hello Jul 02 12:32:45 will meego boot in virtualbox Jul 02 12:32:48 im not having much luck Jul 02 12:36:16 You won't get the fill meego UI as VirtualBox doesn't have appropriate gfx drivers Jul 02 12:36:40 you can get X up though with a basic X desktop for use a development box Jul 02 12:39:11 what about guest additions. Jul 02 12:39:20 shouldn't that include a video driver? Jul 02 12:39:37 I said appropriate driver, not no driver Jul 02 12:39:47 it doesn't have a DRI2 compatible driver. Jul 02 12:39:55 sup Jul 02 12:40:07 check out the meego virtualbox wiki entry Jul 02 12:41:24 I typically have Xfce running in my meego/moblin vbox Jul 02 12:41:54 well i wanted to test meego itself. thats ok i give up :P Jul 02 12:41:59 thanks Jul 02 12:44:30 will this ever be fixed. im assuming this is the same reason why i cant get an image on my ULV laptop. and everyone knows they are taking over netbooks. seems silly not to support them Jul 02 12:45:33 would i have more luck with ubuntu moblin remix. Jul 02 13:00:01 Can Meego Tablet run on N900? I hate the Meego Handset Edition :( Jul 02 13:01:21 Jul 02 13:02:05 Ey ey ey Jul 02 13:02:25 who is make the UI for Meego Handset? Jul 02 13:02:44 Hope he may bring Internet Tablet UI into N900 Jul 02 13:03:06 so i installed this "moblin user experience", moblin, from my ubuntu repos. it loads into a background but nothing else. i CAN press alt+tab and it shows an application menu. whats wrong here Jul 02 13:03:21 same driver problems? Jul 02 13:03:23 or..? Jul 02 13:04:05 ah, that is just a UI Jul 02 13:04:16 Program can't run yet Jul 02 13:04:27 and nothing works find Jul 02 13:04:48 Drivers are not enough Jul 02 13:05:25 ok Jul 02 13:05:28 that sucks Jul 02 13:05:32 yup Jul 02 13:05:40 so whats its point then? Jul 02 13:05:41 the UI is horrible Jul 02 13:05:52 just to show off how cool the Meego is Jul 02 13:05:55 I think! Jul 02 13:05:59 ok lol Jul 02 13:06:03 but it look suck Jul 02 13:06:24 or maybe, they want to have some user idea Jul 02 13:06:30 ok, yeah it seems to be running on top of gnome. meego isnt gnome is it? Jul 02 13:06:43 it is DEB Base Jul 02 13:07:09 just like the maemo Jul 02 13:07:29 ok Jul 02 13:07:38 Meego on Netbook is horrible too Jul 02 13:07:45 no Wifi Driver Jul 02 13:08:04 Meego on Handset, even more horrible Jul 02 13:08:06 ahh :P yeah EVERYONE seems to be having problem after problem with it Jul 02 13:08:18 Haruka: depends on your card Jul 02 13:08:18 only Meego on Tablet is cool Jul 02 13:08:21 see the DEMO Jul 02 13:08:28 demo? Jul 02 13:08:38 The INternet Tablet Meego Jul 02 13:08:43 How cool it is Jul 02 13:08:50 Look professional Jul 02 13:09:03 have a link? Jul 02 13:09:09 on Youtube Jul 02 13:09:12 ok Jul 02 13:09:16 type Meego Tablet Jul 02 13:09:22 or something relate Jul 02 13:09:51 so anyone know when meego will support ULV laptops and NON intel graphics? Jul 02 13:09:55 @Aard: I think they should have a repo to download Driver Jul 02 13:10:14 we all know netbooks are dying Jul 02 13:10:28 seems pointless writing an os for them Jul 02 13:10:37 replace by Internet Tablet Jul 02 13:11:05 Netbook should have, because Intel is also a co-op in this Meego Project Jul 02 13:11:50 so the lead developer can't kick the Netbook Meego out of their Project :)) Jul 02 13:12:24 ahh of course :) Jul 02 13:12:26 Haruka: atheros-cards are supported, intel ones probably as well Jul 02 13:12:36 Oh...I just so in love with the Internet Tablet Meego, so cool, so much ideas, so pro... Jul 02 13:12:56 Shit just got real Jul 02 13:13:12 The Meego Netbook and Handset so amateur Jul 02 13:13:37 it loooks nice. but we have android for that Jul 02 13:13:54 android is already well extablished Jul 02 13:13:57 Android, oh........... Jul 02 13:14:04 es* Jul 02 13:14:09 I try to put Android Froyo on N900 Jul 02 13:14:12 android is now what 2.2 version, Jul 02 13:14:35 yeah 2.2 Jul 02 13:14:52 but when it boot up, it say failed to load, select 2 or 9 for boot from Memory Card or Mass Storage :| Jul 02 13:15:02 and it will always win cos we can boot it on ANYTHING Jul 02 13:15:19 damian_ does android support powerpc ?? Jul 02 13:15:24 yes Jul 02 13:15:27 hope Meego can run on iPhone 2G like Android Froyo Jul 02 13:15:55 since 2007 Jul 02 13:16:19 i saw a project for porting android to playstation 3 Jul 02 13:16:26 Ah...can anyone get Wine run on N900 yet? Jul 02 13:16:29 that is cell b.e architecture Jul 02 13:16:54 ahh wow nice. wonder if it runs on my 360 or wii Jul 02 13:17:10 Ofcourse Android may run on PS3, but just for fun, It can't use it's power on PS3 Jul 02 13:17:14 damian_-_, I think your wrong. Android does NOT support PowerPC. ARM and x86 only Jul 02 13:17:35 Haruka, yes, Wine is running on the n900 under Maemo, with user-mode qemu Jul 02 13:17:35 ARM and INtel x86 Jul 02 13:17:49 but how to install it? Jul 02 13:17:52 Haruka, no, Android supports AMD fine AFAIK Jul 02 13:17:56 where to get the wine.deb? Jul 02 13:18:26 in maemo.org, their repos don't have wine Jul 02 13:18:27 Haruka, take a gander on t.m.o, I'm sure theres instructions there or something Jul 02 13:18:39 i love to run some popcap game of windows on N900 :X Jul 02 13:18:47 damian_ to be true, sony in its firmware update on june 1 2010, has taken out otheros, so now ps3 can only run Gameos Jul 02 13:18:54 besides which the "Other OS" on the PS3 is now only for those who don't want to play new games, or blu-ray or use the ps network Jul 02 13:19:02 Oh! That dump PS3 Jul 02 13:19:12 they do the same thing like xbox360 Jul 02 13:19:16 termana google it. it DOES run on powerpc Jul 02 13:19:19 amjad: it was worse, the relevant firmware update was released on APRIL 1st Jul 02 13:19:53 oh ya, it was the final nail in coffin of yellowdog linux Jul 02 13:19:58 IN HERE, do anyone know the one who make the UI for Meego N900? Jul 02 13:20:25 does, not do, sorry :P Jul 02 13:20:56 Haruka, you can go to #meego-dev and search there , that may be a better option Jul 02 13:21:09 Haruka, a team at Nokia I assume, since its also the UX for Harmattan Jul 02 13:21:21 wow and android works on my wii Jul 02 13:21:23 Oh, I think they have schedule to online Jul 02 13:21:24 sweet Jul 02 13:21:30 great Jul 02 13:21:52 but anyway im getting offtopic Jul 02 13:22:31 Hope, Meego 1.1 Handset will be the Internet Tablet Meego Jul 02 13:23:38 Xbox360 really need Meego, since it doesn't have a Web Browser Jul 02 13:23:56 And hope Intel will Deal with Microsoft about this Jul 02 13:24:36 the biggest problem i see in meego as a developer so far is that it is not open, build.meego.com is only for intel/nokia employees Jul 02 13:24:57 meego is not opensource? Jul 02 13:25:11 Ahhh....4 months more, the Meego 1.1 will come out Jul 02 13:25:45 which means, when the iOS, Android have already taken over the world, Meego will come Jul 02 13:25:49 i wish they would realise people other than netbook users want a simplified UI Jul 02 13:26:12 im still trying to hack it to run on my nvidia graphics Jul 02 13:26:28 you gonna need a Virtual Machine Jul 02 13:26:38 @damian: You need a VM Box Jul 02 13:27:21 it wont run in virtualbox either Jul 02 13:27:33 as i found out earlier Jul 02 13:27:35 @damian: or at least, you can take the Nvidia Driver for Ubuntu, and inject it into Meego Netbook Image Jul 02 13:28:21 i just tried that too. not working. Jul 02 13:29:04 @damian: I also use Nvidia Card, but I can run Meego using VM Box Jul 02 13:29:24 maybe, you should look the tutorial again Jul 02 13:30:00 well i read u can only use xfce or DWM or something similar Jul 02 13:30:15 useless for me wanting to try meego's UI Jul 02 13:30:40 Try to find Virtual Machine that can emulate CPU Support SSSE3 or SSE3S, and Nvidia turn into VGA card Jul 02 13:31:02 I tried it, it kinda friendly, but not profesional Jul 02 13:31:20 only the UI of Internet Tablet Meego is profresional Jul 02 13:31:59 I wonder why Meego is all hus hus all the time.. Jul 02 13:32:18 they should start hyping it like its a trend now Jul 02 13:32:28 Lemoni_: what would they hype? Jul 02 13:32:39 Everything its based on Jul 02 13:32:39 @Lemoni: meego is just a new project, a new born baby Jul 02 13:33:06 Yeah but building the hype will increase the intrest of people.. Jul 02 13:33:24 I just hope someone gonna teach me how to get wine run smoothly on N900 Maemo Jul 02 13:33:24 MeeGo - "We got a quite active community and code that compiles" Jul 02 13:33:37 haruka what tutorial did you use. and what VM are you using Jul 02 13:33:42 Lemoni_: how can you build hype on basically a beta phase software? Jul 02 13:33:59 or sorry, not software, a OS platform Jul 02 13:34:28 @damian: I look for the tutorial on wiki.meego.com/ And I use Virtual Box Jul 02 13:34:48 Easily, hyping all the features that Meego is gonna have Jul 02 13:34:50 ok yes same tutorial. you cant use meego's UI Jul 02 13:35:06 Telling people its easy to use, graphically beutiful etc. Jul 02 13:35:15 Lemoni_: and show them what, youtube videos? people want the device right now, and if they try it and it's shit, then it's a burst bubble Jul 02 13:35:22 @damian: Then try to use Virtual Machine Jul 02 13:35:29 Like in Windows i dont like the fact that my desktop is full of various files and stuff. Jul 02 13:35:33 one glitch and they hate it and are vocal about it Jul 02 13:35:57 Myrtti maybe people like us.. but its sold to masses, not inviduals. Jul 02 13:36:02 go to torrentz, find Virtual Machine, and use Torrent to download Jul 02 13:36:33 im telling you that Seppo 35 years old CEO from company X isnt gonna dl it until its finished and someone else has tryed it first Jul 02 13:37:11 Lemoni_: that's exactly the same message I'm telling you. If someone else tries it now because of the hype and it's shit, they'll tell Seppo and Seppo will keep away from it Jul 02 13:37:52 Tried it, and it sucked Jul 02 13:38:08 Advertising can be started at beta phase, its not a problem. Jul 02 13:38:40 the first hit go to the wrong target, then you will get backfire till ya die Jul 02 13:39:07 But Myrtti is see what your saying but still, more information and lil hype wouldnt kill the project Jul 02 13:39:17 and slowly increase the intrest of people. Jul 02 13:39:28 althought it is a BETA, but look back, see the way people want to get a hand on Meego Handset Jul 02 13:39:31 People hyped Android long before it was released Jul 02 13:39:34 and that worked well Jul 02 13:39:44 same as Apple, they hype even their concepts. Jul 02 13:39:49 but the Beta release, and it dissappoting people Jul 02 13:40:04 Lemoni_: and apple starts selling it the day it's announced. Jul 02 13:40:10 yup Jul 02 13:40:27 Lemoni_: they take preorders and in four weeks the people get their devices Jul 02 13:40:29 that is the way to make Meego Handset gets hot day by day Jul 02 13:40:44 the fact is, there is no device to be sold Jul 02 13:40:52 Im a bit dissapointed to n900 and Maemo Jul 02 13:40:54 yup Jul 02 13:41:04 since all i see is qt4 demos in the app installer.. Jul 02 13:41:09 Maemo is even better than Meego Jul 02 13:41:16 the BETA is suck Jul 02 13:41:18 why they demo everything, why they dont just make full apps? Jul 02 13:41:18 so what the hype will end up being is waiting for whatever will come out the factory Jul 02 13:41:30 and people get frustrated Jul 02 13:41:31 waaaaah it's not perfect! Jul 02 13:41:39 it's very difficult to keep the hype up Jul 02 13:41:47 Good pr always is Jul 02 13:42:01 and its not something that people like us do.. Jul 02 13:42:08 Good marketing requires a good working team Jul 02 13:42:17 and i dont think Meego has the cash for that atm Jul 02 13:42:29 Oh! But look! The Meego Tablet is so cool Jul 02 13:42:34 that's not MeeGo's job Jul 02 13:42:39 Lemoni_: Meego isn't a product to be hyped Jul 02 13:42:45 Lemoni_: it's the devices that ship with it Jul 02 13:42:48 only Meego Handset does sucking people Jul 02 13:43:00 and for that the job for hype building is for the manufacturers Jul 02 13:43:16 meego handset isn't done, obviously Jul 02 13:43:46 Does Meego port on n900 have portrait mode? Jul 02 13:43:50 Meego is late, Nokia is late, Intel can't bring up the speed for the Meego project Jul 02 13:43:53 one thing im missing in my n900 is that Jul 02 13:43:58 waaaah Jul 02 13:44:08 Im not trusting Intel on that Jul 02 13:44:10 @Lemoni: Yup, it has portrait mode Jul 02 13:44:17 since i tryed Moblin and it was complete shit Jul 02 13:44:28 apparently Intel and Nokia should have kept it all closed until it was done Jul 02 13:44:38 compared to Jolicloud which stated "Alpha pre release when i dl:d it Jul 02 13:44:40 @mobile: yup Jul 02 13:45:05 Haruka: which defeats the point of being open Jul 02 13:45:11 ok so apparently a simple boot into runlevel 3 and "sudo startx" will run meego in virtualbox. or am i wasting my time Jul 02 13:45:12 i think they announced the meego cos people were asking questions about maemo 6 Jul 02 13:45:18 ml-mobile: but THAT would keep the HYPE! Jul 02 13:45:22 * Myrtti facepalms Jul 02 13:45:35 if you like that model go work on Android Jul 02 13:45:39 speculation is apparently what makes the world go round Jul 02 13:45:48 speculation and complaining Jul 02 13:46:01 @all: THE MEEGO HANDSET IS A FIRST HIT THAT TAKE THE MOST DAMAGE TO ANDROID AND iOS, BUT IT LOST IT FIRST POINT!!! Jul 02 13:46:31 Haruka, please lay off the caps Jul 02 13:46:37 haruka: obviously open source development is too much for you to handle Jul 02 13:47:02 u guys developing anything for Maemo or Meego? Jul 02 13:47:11 @mobile: I just want to have my N900 Meego look like Tablet Meego Jul 02 13:47:39 good luck in that Jul 02 13:47:52 haruka: and when the tablet UX is released, it could be ported. Jul 02 13:47:59 I, and almost everyone does Jul 02 13:48:39 hope someone teachs me how to get wine run on N900? Jul 02 13:48:56 why? Jul 02 13:49:09 want to run popcap games on N900 :P Jul 02 13:49:31 that would be horridly slow Jul 02 13:49:41 OMG :( Jul 02 13:49:56