**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 05 02:59:58 2010 Jul 05 06:44:20 Hi Guys... Jul 05 06:44:38 How much you will rate Meego Mobile UI out of 10. Jul 05 07:16:19 my internet has been dying randomly. Jul 05 07:16:45 definitely not my router or the wireless, since I can always connect to 192.168.1.1 just fine. Jul 05 07:36:17 any comments guys Jul 05 07:36:33 How much you will rate Meego Mobile UI out of 10. Jul 05 08:07:51 I dont think very many people have used that yet enough to rate it Jul 05 08:08:04 unless you mean for netbooks Jul 05 08:20:15 which reminds me to debug why my handset image doesn't boot on my hardware Jul 05 08:21:30 abhijeet: 0.1 Jul 05 08:22:39 lpotter: yes you are correct.. Jul 05 08:23:23 anyone want can check this screen shots: http://meego.com/devices/handset/handset-screenshots Jul 05 08:29:41 * dm8tbr prefers his own device over screenshots and goes to fix the serial cable Jul 05 08:36:37 dm8tbr: doesn't boot on mine either Jul 05 08:42:40 Interesting : http://thenextweb.com/apple/2010/07/04/app-store-hacked/ Jul 05 08:49:11 what a bootloader meego? Jul 05 08:52:14 i have installed meego in virtualbox Jul 05 08:52:35 also i research section boot Jul 05 08:53:14 here there in no habitual structure grub Jul 05 08:53:49 it is correct? Jul 05 09:47:33 Hi Jul 05 09:48:11 Is it possible to boot the Meego handset image on x86 pc with qemu? Jul 05 09:56:50 linuxcentos: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=202&page=7 Jul 05 09:57:33 * timeless_mbp ponders Jul 05 09:57:47 * timeless_mbp wonders what the difference between linux-2.6.33 and kernel-2.6.33 is Jul 05 09:58:36 hrm Jul 05 09:58:40 one's there to be funny Jul 05 09:58:42 cute Jul 05 10:03:07 anyone here familiar w/ the kernel bits of meego? Jul 05 10:04:01 * w00t_ votes Stskeeps for personal amusement Jul 05 10:04:37 nomination accepted Jul 05 10:04:42 * timeless_mbp pokes Stskeeps Jul 05 10:05:42 amjad: that forum thread is about the netbook image though (?), linuxcentos' question was about handset image... Jul 05 10:08:27 I found this earlier, but requires you have an N900, so it doesn't work for me: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Qemu Jul 05 10:11:14 * dm8tbr runs his own kernel and this might be why this device acts funny Jul 05 10:12:04 * timeless_mbp grumbles Jul 05 10:12:25 * timeless_mbp has two directories which are similar in shape but annoyingly distinct Jul 05 10:12:53 meh, I think I broke serial console :( Jul 05 10:13:00 time to mount that image on the laptop Jul 05 10:14:51 Stskeeps: can you explain why http://mxr.moego.org/repo.meego.com/source/linux-2.6.33/ and http://mxr.moego.org/repo.meego.com/source/kernel-2.6.33/linux-2.6.33/ both exist? Jul 05 10:15:09 (he's going to hate me) Jul 05 10:15:20 afaiu, each top level entry in repo.meego.com is derived from a single package Jul 05 10:15:42 which means there's a package and a package both of which deliver similar, but distinct content **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 05 18:54:14 2010 Jul 05 18:54:35 cybette is the best hostess Jul 05 18:55:07 :) Jul 05 18:55:07 here's what you don't expect to hear though: it's HOT Jul 05 18:55:44 yeah texrat you brought texas weather over here Jul 05 18:56:53 hi all Jul 05 18:56:55 for values of hot Jul 05 18:56:56 cybette, the question is, will he take it back with him :D Jul 05 18:57:09 hell no, we have enough of it Jul 05 18:57:10 heya texrat \o glad you are enjoying time Jul 05 18:57:22 thinking of sending some to not-so-great Britain Jul 05 18:57:28 good idea Jul 05 18:57:45 we have sun! Jul 05 18:57:59 its shining on me as we speak actually o_O Jul 05 18:58:27 genuinely odd because i have blinds up i think one of the cats has had issues with em today Jul 05 18:58:38 developer engagement meeting about to start in #meego-meeting, last call.. :) Jul 05 18:59:12 w00t_, is this an open meeting? Jul 05 18:59:19 dive: certainly Jul 05 18:59:23 hey Venemo Jul 05 18:59:24 great thanks Jul 05 18:59:34 hi Jul 05 18:59:34 damit Jul 05 18:59:39 hey Texrat Jul 05 18:59:43 police intercepters is on noe and i want to watch that Jul 05 18:59:59 lol Jul 05 19:00:00 #startmeeting Jul 05 19:00:05 ergh Jul 05 19:00:08 meetbot isn't even here Jul 05 19:00:11 * w00t_ headdesks Jul 05 19:00:20 lol Jul 05 19:00:41 bad channel. Jul 05 19:00:45 wrong channel silly Jul 05 19:01:12 I'll wait until #endmeeting until i say stupid things / things I'd say normally Jul 05 19:01:21 * texrat seconds that idea Jul 05 19:01:33 all in favor? Jul 05 19:02:13 * Venemo facepalms Jul 05 19:03:06 i think meetings should start 5 mins later cos people always come in late Jul 05 19:04:33 texrat: very funny Jul 05 19:04:37 fn is a joke Jul 05 19:04:52 texrat: you said after the meeting Jul 05 19:05:29 d'oh Jul 05 19:05:29 +1 Jul 05 19:06:24 w00t_: fwiw, the portion of fn i saw had people who didn't act like Pros Jul 05 19:06:31 they might be creating 'commercial apps' Jul 05 19:06:41 but there were lots of very stupid questions Jul 05 19:06:50 "where am I" Jul 05 19:06:51 amateurish Jul 05 19:06:53 "who are you?"{ Jul 05 19:06:59 "are you my mummy?" Jul 05 19:10:11 CosmoHill, i am contributing ;p Jul 05 19:13:57 * CosmoHill hands w00t_ a stick Jul 05 19:23:26 RST38h: yes, I wouldn't be running the meeting if I wasn't Jul 05 19:23:45 w00t: So, you will be teaching classes? Jul 05 19:24:07 how can you charge for classes that are designed to help an open source project? Jul 05 19:24:16 RST38h: yes, I intend to Jul 05 19:24:30 w00t: Good luck then Jul 05 19:30:59 w00t: solvable problem :) Jul 05 19:32:24 :-) Jul 05 19:33:35 leiner: hey Jul 05 19:33:37 someone poke me when we get to mentoring Jul 05 19:33:44 leinir: hey Jul 05 19:34:20 texrat: Heyhey there :) Jul 05 19:36:48 Busy day! About to drop off bedwards :) Jul 05 19:36:49 we are in #meego-meeting discussing developer outreach Jul 05 19:41:44 Venemo: you could let w00t talk before asking questions Jul 05 19:42:36 * CosmoHill dances cos people like what he said Jul 05 19:43:17 timeless: sorry. Jul 05 19:44:20 texrat: Ooh, nicely :) Jul 05 19:45:26 :) Jul 05 19:45:40 * timeless_mbp is trying to watch a movie Jul 05 19:48:29 I seem to be doing well with meetings :) Jul 05 19:49:01 CosmoHill: we are all so proud :p Jul 05 19:49:29 :D Jul 05 19:49:47 this is what happens when I pay attention :D Jul 05 19:50:06 what? I didn't catch that Jul 05 19:50:16 FatalSaint:!!!!!! Jul 05 19:50:18 :) Jul 05 19:50:20 texrat! Jul 05 19:50:23 most of the meetings I've been watching TV or playing a game Jul 05 19:50:34 I can finally attend-- had to fly to Tampere to do so Jul 05 19:50:54 Methinks I missed a meeting Jul 05 19:51:04 FatalSaint: you mean the one ending in 10 mins? Jul 05 19:51:04 fatalSaint we're in #meego-meeting Jul 05 19:51:26 lol if it ends in 10 minutes dont suppose joining now would do any good lol Jul 05 19:51:30 anything good come from it? Jul 05 19:51:45 we'll give you the logs Jul 05 19:53:07 * lcuk has something to say at the AOB Jul 05 19:53:08 Cool. Thanks Cosmo. Sorry w00t for missing it. Jul 05 19:53:16 FatalSaint: #meego-meeting Jul 05 19:53:18 it's still ongoing Jul 05 19:53:19 :) Jul 05 19:53:25 doesn't it end in a few minutes? Jul 05 19:53:33 still fairly lively so far :) Jul 05 19:53:38 I'll try give you a log afterwards though Jul 05 19:54:00 Yo, texrat. Jul 05 19:54:59 yo GAN900 Jul 05 19:55:16 where you been? Jul 05 19:56:05 texrat: if you don't mind my asking, are (/were/) you a Windows developer? Jul 05 19:56:15 lcuk: what is AOB? Jul 05 19:56:37 any other busines Jul 05 19:56:38 s Jul 05 19:56:59 GAN900: I accidentally closed window-- repeat please? Jul 05 19:57:24 texrat, what do you mean where you been? Jul 05 19:57:28 Here. :P Jul 05 19:57:44 hello Jul 05 19:57:58 how can i update chromium on meego 1.0? Jul 05 19:58:16 karma is good! Jul 05 19:58:56 dur Jul 05 19:59:03 texrat: ^^^ Jul 05 19:59:07 infobot: aob? Jul 05 19:59:17 infobot: aob is any other business Jul 05 19:59:18 okay, timeless_mbp Jul 05 19:59:19 nf590: maybe "zypper update" ? Jul 05 19:59:23 the way to fix karma is to let people have their karma, but don't provide any way to see a "leaderboard" etc Jul 05 19:59:24 from the command line Jul 05 19:59:32 and also make it decay over time Jul 05 19:59:59 lbt: Especially if it results in My Name Is Earl Jul 05 20:00:03 ali1234: on the channel I'm in a bot keep karma Jul 05 20:00:08 \o/ Jul 05 20:00:09 and you can see the karma for a person if you ask the bot Jul 05 20:00:16 Although, it's "Men Behaving Badly" night on Dave. w00t! Jul 05 20:00:27 Randy 4ever Jul 05 20:00:32 CosmoHill: i'm not saying don't show it at all. i'm just saying don't have a leaderboard Jul 05 20:00:34 typically the bot has gone missing Jul 05 20:00:38 lbt: scratch it into a tree ;-p Jul 05 20:01:12 * lbt is grinning just thinking of my name is Earl Jul 05 20:01:37 lol Jul 05 20:01:39 "Y'know, a woman? What you and Tony call 'people with shirt potatoes'" Jul 05 20:01:53 CosmoHill: reading installed packages... nothing to do. Jul 05 20:01:57 w00t_: stop admitting liability :p\ Jul 05 20:02:04 it seems all up to date Jul 05 20:02:14 maybe "upgrade"? Jul 05 20:02:25 hehe Jul 05 20:03:41 FatalSaint: ping Jul 05 20:03:51 Stskeeps: pong Jul 05 20:03:54 w00t_: might be time to end the meeting in 10 mins or so Jul 05 20:04:00 (if you want to that is) Jul 05 20:04:21 I am so full of pizza and ice cream... Jul 05 20:04:52 oh and I had a big drink of Jaffa yesterday :D Jul 05 20:04:56 so Jul 05 20:05:01 pupnik! Jul 05 20:05:03 Jaffa? Jul 05 20:05:06 who represents MeeGo marketing ? Jul 05 20:05:11 my mom Jul 05 20:05:15 pupnik :) Jul 05 20:05:16 satan Jul 05 20:05:17 because oreilly can't spell MeeGo Jul 05 20:05:17 texrat: The small ones are more juicy :-p Jul 05 20:05:19 or satian Jul 05 20:05:22 timeless_mbp, peter still? Jul 05 20:05:24 I can't tell the difference :/ Jul 05 20:06:06 Venemo: hmm? Jul 05 20:06:08 Jaffa it's so frigging humid in Tampere i needed a big one Jul 05 20:06:21 FatalSaint: http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-07-05-18.59.log.html Jul 05 20:06:40 w00t_: what hmm? Jul 05 20:06:45 TY Cosmo Jul 05 20:06:46 texrat: Sorry. Too much wine to read that with a straight face. Jul 05 20:06:50 lol Jul 05 20:06:52 intended Jul 05 20:06:57 Goodo. Jul 05 20:07:00 Venemo: forum.meego.com question Jul 05 20:07:05 w00t: Jul 05 20:07:33 I made the most embarassing goof on Anssi Vanjoki's articles comments Jul 05 20:07:51 I meant to say the community was hard on him (tough) but I said "hard IN you" Jul 05 20:07:54 oh geez Jul 05 20:07:55 w00t_: it was an answer to "Where is the "central part" of this now - is it the mailing list?" Jul 05 20:08:13 there's no erasing that Jul 05 20:08:27 texrat: anyone can make such a misspell Jul 05 20:08:35 yeah but Jul 05 20:08:38 texrat: tsk tsk what were you thinking ;) Jul 05 20:08:45 shaddap you Jul 05 20:08:55 :X Jul 05 20:09:08 I think I was watching some Finnish beauty when I typed it Jul 05 20:09:10 haha Jul 05 20:09:24 I blame old age and distance from home Jul 05 20:09:25 texrat: Good trip, then? ;-) Jul 05 20:09:31 excellent jaffa Jul 05 20:09:33 texrat, you mustv been watching the wife carrying competition Jul 05 20:09:36 texrat: Out of sight, out of mind, eh? ;-) Jul 05 20:09:37 *maybe* a job offer Jul 05 20:09:53 texrat: Oooh. Cool Jul 05 20:10:02 but next year... we'll see Jul 05 20:10:21 * CosmoHill offers ice cream Jul 05 20:10:32 * lcuk accepts and goes reading book Jul 05 20:10:52 damn Dell monitor Jul 05 20:11:00 * texrat burps after good ice cream Jul 05 20:11:13 the input is YPbPr, not RGB Jul 05 20:11:25 so why does it ask every time Jul 05 20:12:05 hey texrat! Jul 05 20:12:11 how has akademy been? Jul 05 20:12:33 how old is meego now? Jul 05 20:12:47 3 months and 5 days? Jul 05 20:13:18 here's the icecream texrat had: http://www.nestle-nordic.com/valiojaatelo/aino/products/homepackages/Aino+Karpalo+Kinuski.htm Jul 05 20:13:39 that looks rather sinful Jul 05 20:13:49 i'm trying to resist... Jul 05 20:14:11 did you see any touch-ui stuff for meego? Jul 05 20:14:16 (netbook) Jul 05 20:14:54 * texrat plans to stuff ice cream package into cybette's purse tomorrow Jul 05 20:15:14 pupnik man wish you were here, it's been great Jul 05 20:15:36 http://www.cio.com.au/article/351250/intel_meego_os_shown_multitouch_tablet/ Jul 05 20:15:52 pupnik: not at the conference Jul 05 20:16:04 ok so it's all what, QT? Jul 05 20:16:08 some Jul 05 20:16:17 * cybette hides purse from texrat Jul 05 20:17:03 texrat: found your recent posts very interesting :) Jul 05 20:17:10 And I liked your talk on day 1 :) Jul 05 20:17:14 alterego: thanks! Jul 05 20:17:22 pupnik: well it's aKademy, so Kde stuff Jul 05 20:17:38 I will have a better talk for meeGo in November Jul 05 20:17:40 today is Qt workshop though Jul 05 20:17:44 I didn't realize how far you invisaged the user feedback system going. Jul 05 20:17:54 cybette I may skip tomorrow, not much interest Jul 05 20:18:00 may goof around tampere Jul 05 20:18:04 The introduction of games and everything seems an extremely good idea. Jul 05 20:18:14 agreed alterego Jul 05 20:18:21 texrat: good idea. enjoy the nice weather :) Jul 05 20:18:26 I got to talk with leinir of Gluon a lot about that Jul 05 20:18:45 And the semantic web is something that I'm very enthused and interested in, which kind of sounds like it could be a good way to go with this. Jul 05 20:18:52 meego 1.1 pre-alpha tablet demo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4vv7yFaqxw Jul 05 20:18:52 whoever brings the Steam experience to mobile successfully will kick ass Jul 05 20:19:18 yes alterego I didn't touch on semantic web but you are right on targtet Jul 05 20:19:21 target* Jul 05 20:19:32 I don't have much experience with Steam, I've got an XBox and like the fact I don't have to do anything. Jul 05 20:19:43 yes, Xbox Live is another example Jul 05 20:19:53 But on the other hand, linking in things like social networking and maybe game reviews + rating might also be an interesting idea. Jul 05 20:19:55 where is my mobile Live lobby? :) Jul 05 20:20:00 Heh Jul 05 20:20:01 yes! Jul 05 20:20:05 Leinir of Gluon sounds like a norse warrior-king shrunk to subatomic size. Jul 05 20:20:13 lol pupnik Jul 05 20:20:14 http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/bobby.jpg << doggy :D Jul 05 20:20:19 pupnik: Why thank you! *giggles* :) Jul 05 20:20:32 he goes barefoot everywhere and got rejected from a restaurant yesterday Jul 05 20:20:35 yvw :) Jul 05 20:20:39 poor guy Jul 05 20:20:47 But yeah, I'd love to help, so I'm sure we'll talk again about it. :) Jul 05 20:20:47 Tehee :) Jul 05 20:20:53 we are planning a discrimination suit Jul 05 20:21:00 Hey, we found a much nicer place, with nice atmosphere and such :) Jul 05 20:21:05 ok alterego, looking forward! Jul 05 20:21:15 yes we did leinir Jul 05 20:21:26 and only a little glass Jul 05 20:21:37 *giggles* Yeah - all avoidable problems ;) Jul 05 20:22:38 i really like that out-of-the way vietnamese place in tampere (near city hall) Jul 05 20:22:55 oooo! Jul 05 20:23:03 I want Vietnamese in tampere! Jul 05 20:23:14 yum Jul 05 20:23:19 cybette must treat Jul 05 20:23:40 yeah i thought of that place Jul 05 20:23:53 I love vietnamese spring rolls Jul 05 20:23:58 and sate chicken Jul 05 20:24:34 crap w00t, sorry, accidentally closed your window Jul 05 20:25:00 but the calzone we had today was nice too Jul 05 20:25:05 o ya Jul 05 20:25:08 huge Jul 05 20:25:17 I can't believe cybette ate 2 Jul 05 20:25:25 Calzone ? in Tampere? Jul 05 20:25:34 sure anidel Jul 05 20:25:49 i ate one!! Jul 05 20:25:50 * anidel wonders Jul 05 20:25:53 it was the best Italian food anywhere ;p Jul 05 20:26:08 anidel: in bella roma Jul 05 20:26:17 I don't think anyone in Italy could do better Jul 05 20:26:24 we're talking magnifico Jul 05 20:26:35 * texrat waits for outburst Jul 05 20:26:37 hmph, takes texrat to the *good* places Jul 05 20:26:38 texrat :) we'll see about that :p Jul 05 20:26:50 ehhe Jul 05 20:27:09 * anidel invites Texrat and Cybette to Naples for the real calzone :D Jul 05 20:27:38 * texrat accepts if anidel pays Jul 05 20:27:41 * anidel fun fact: did you know that "calzone" means "pants" in Italian ? Jul 05 20:27:48 invite pupnik too! Jul 05 20:27:57 * anidel pays (a calzone is usually very cheap anyway :p) Jul 05 20:28:05 no no, the flight :p Jul 05 20:28:14 * anidel doesn't pay a cent Jul 05 20:28:15 pupnik: we'll go next time. i didn't know they had calzone. i usually just go there for pizza Jul 05 20:28:26 * lcuk waves @ anidel Jul 05 20:28:39 * anidel waves back @ lcuk Jul 05 20:28:41 * texrat mistakes lcuk's hand for bird, fires Jul 05 20:28:50 mmmm, would love a real napolitan pizza or calzone, right now... Jul 05 20:28:54 wow google maps has pretty ocean floors for the sea now Jul 05 20:28:55 anidel: which part of italy? Jul 05 20:29:00 OMG :( MOAR fingers gone Jul 05 20:29:09 http://maps.google.com/maps?q=naples+italy Jul 05 20:29:22 you cuttin em off again lcuk ? Jul 05 20:29:23 but i guess i will settle for a batch of my evol southern fried chicken Jul 05 20:29:26 ;) Jul 05 20:29:30 pupnik, texrat just shot em Jul 05 20:29:37 cybette: I'm from very near Pompeii Jul 05 20:29:38 accident, I swear Jul 05 20:30:17 anidel, how is canada Jul 05 20:30:18 * cybette longs to visit italy Jul 05 20:30:18 * pupnik looking at Napoli pics Jul 05 20:30:19 hey guys check this out, only in the US: http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/July-4-Fireworks-Man-Blows-Arm-Off-With-Independence-Day-Fireworks-And-Horses-Bolt-And-Kill-Woman/Article/201007115659655?lpos=World_News_Second_Home_Page_Article_Teaser_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15659655_July_4_Fireworks%3A_Man_Blows_Arm_Off_With_Independence_Day_Fireworks_And_Horses_Bolt_And_Kill_Woman Jul 05 20:30:35 pupnik: let's go there Jul 05 20:30:40 :) Jul 05 20:30:41 i can tell by the link this isnt going to be pleasurable Jul 05 20:30:52 * anidel misses Naples :( Jul 05 20:30:55 no, we're not in the same room :P Jul 05 20:31:02 so they have a video showing fireworks and music! Jul 05 20:31:05 lcuk: quite nice indeed :) like it so far.. miss pizza though Jul 05 20:31:23 oooh that firework is a lovely shade of red Jul 05 20:31:27 ... Jul 05 20:31:29 * anidel went to Portland, OR this week end.. should have stopped at Intel and wave to the MeeGo guys Jul 05 20:31:34 read the frigging story Jul 05 20:31:40 anidel, of course you miss pizza Jul 05 20:32:05 lcuk hard to find it here.. I found few very good places when I was in London though :) Jul 05 20:32:14 not interested in talking about that same stupid event that the press has decided is interesting, texrat Jul 05 20:32:22 and that is flooding all channels in irc Jul 05 20:32:39 sorry pupnik Jul 05 20:32:45 anidel, then you do what other italians do when they cant find good food: Jul 05 20:32:50 make your own! Jul 05 20:32:53 np, just explaining Jul 05 20:32:56 lcuk: cook our own Jul 05 20:33:08 yeah :) my partner's a good cook ! Jul 05 20:33:33 anidel: what food do you miss when away from italy? Jul 05 20:33:35 lcuk: but usually italians simply complain :) Jul 05 20:33:40 \o/ anidel good job Jul 05 20:33:43 pupnik: long list :) Jul 05 20:34:17 but I am happy I found out they sell rapini here in Canada!!! I LOVE them and was missing them in London (hard to find and expensive) Jul 05 20:34:27 * cybette misses real chinese food Jul 05 20:34:31 heh Jul 05 20:34:54 anyway, don't make Anidel start on food :) Jul 05 20:35:03 * texrat misses girl scout cookies... the onesw made from real girl scouts Jul 05 20:35:07 or we'll have to open a MeeGo-Food channel :P Jul 05 20:35:14 lol @ texrat Jul 05 20:35:39 any Canadian from Quebec? Jul 05 20:35:45 anidel is bringing snaks to the meego summit Jul 05 20:36:05 if they pay the flight to Dublin Jul 05 20:36:10 i don't think it's just meego channel, people inadvertently mentions food in most channels Jul 05 20:36:19 and then i'll get hungry Jul 05 20:36:23 stupid power of suggestion Jul 05 20:36:39 * texrat sends mental ice cream wakes out Jul 05 20:36:43 I heard someone mention cookies? Jul 05 20:36:44 er waves Jul 05 20:36:46 but if you find an Italian on that channel when they happen to talk about food.. then he won't stop Jul 05 20:36:54 did you try wasabe pringles yet texrat ? Jul 05 20:36:58 ooo Jul 05 20:37:01 :) Jul 05 20:37:01 wasabe! Jul 05 20:37:07 good for sinuses Jul 05 20:37:13 not yet Jul 05 20:37:22 texrat: help yourself, kitchen counter Jul 05 20:37:25 hee Jul 05 20:37:30 two of the cans are already empty though... Jul 05 20:37:40 :P Jul 05 20:37:41 that's pretty good willpower Jul 05 20:37:52 woo! Jul 05 20:37:58 :D Jul 05 20:38:11 I just flamed my brain Jul 05 20:38:15 texrat, need a hankerchief? Jul 05 20:38:16 haha Jul 05 20:38:24 not yet Jul 05 20:38:30 pupnik: did you find them in butzbach? Jul 05 20:38:32 a bucket maybe Jul 05 20:38:33 oo there go the lips Jul 05 20:38:41 um not yet sorry Jul 05 20:39:00 * texrat reminds self to keep finger from eye Jul 05 20:39:45 Hello there, good afternoon. :-) Jul 05 20:39:53 good afternoon Jul 05 20:40:00 and good evening from sunny-at-night tampere! Jul 05 20:40:10 yeah it's almost midnight. damn. Jul 05 20:40:18 I noticed that there is in meego website (http://meego.com/developers/ui-design-guidelines/handset/designing-your-application) some UI design work. Jul 05 20:40:38 oh ty Savago Jul 05 20:40:50 uh oh there go the wasabe pringles... and my lips Jul 05 20:40:50 * anidel goes back to work.. ttyl Jul 05 20:40:52 And I was wondering if those concepts would be implemented in libmeegotouch? Jul 05 20:41:02 pupnik, hi there! :-) Jul 05 20:41:13 "don’t hide distinct functions below the fold line because people may not understand they need to scroll to find that feature." Jul 05 20:41:26 good stuff Jul 05 20:42:18 hear hear pupnik! N900 violates that Jul 05 20:42:41 "oh shit-- there are MOAR options????" Jul 05 20:42:58 "below the screen edge?" Jul 05 20:43:19 texrat: this is a serious usability issue Jul 05 20:43:27 doesn't like, every stock maemo application violate that? :P Jul 05 20:43:43 which reminds me Jul 05 20:43:44 texrat: without the presence of a scrollbar, why would you even think of scrolling down? Jul 05 20:43:49 * timeless_mbp needs to file bugs about the meego first run experience Jul 05 20:43:52 (it's awful) Jul 05 20:43:52 Venemo, I fully agree Jul 05 20:43:56 it SUCKS Jul 05 20:44:04 texrat: agreed Jul 05 20:44:05 timeless_mbp: handset, or netbook UX? Jul 05 20:44:35 texrat: btw, (I think you just left the room when I asked), are you a Windows developer? Jul 05 20:44:37 (both? :-)) Jul 05 20:44:47 as long as the scroll need is very apparent, no problem Jul 05 20:44:48 "it didn't say" Jul 05 20:44:49 http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/meego/firstrun/ Jul 05 20:44:56 you tell me if you can figure out which UX it was :) Jul 05 20:45:00 venemo yes, i am ashamed to admit i am :D Jul 05 20:45:03 *from looking at it* Jul 05 20:45:10 *not based on prior knowledge* Jul 05 20:45:13 texrat: no shame in that... I'm one, too :) Jul 05 20:45:18 lol Jul 05 20:45:18 timeless_mbp: netbook Jul 05 20:45:28 just out of interest, why target Windows devs more than Linux or Mac? Jul 05 20:45:31 w00t_: and which line of that UX said "this is the netbook UX" Jul 05 20:45:32