**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 10 02:59:56 2010 Jul 10 06:18:13 hoi Jul 10 08:35:36 hello Jul 10 08:35:45 what does meego use for its windows management? Jul 10 08:35:51 hacked matchbox? something custom? Jul 10 08:35:56 sugar? :) Jul 10 08:36:21 Hamsters! Jul 10 08:36:32 no no, sugar the WM of OLPC Jul 10 08:36:44 I know :) Jul 10 08:36:49 heh Jul 10 08:36:54 so, what is it Jul 10 08:37:09 RPM I see :-( Jul 10 08:37:45 yess it's all redhat based! - SCNR Jul 10 08:38:06 no Jul 10 08:38:12 half of it is openSUSE-based Jul 10 08:38:17 Astral: Looks like the have got their own Jul 10 08:38:20 hm, at least that's an improvement Jul 10 10:13:42 MeeGo wont see my wifi point i know its available and running cos other wireless machines on my network are online and running, how can i try to make it work? Jul 10 10:18:18 niadh: i have similiar problem, but the difference is, that the problem appears only when i have low signal Jul 10 10:19:08 Well i dont really how about signal strength since it sees no networks which is odd Jul 10 10:19:31 There should be neighbours wifi boxes etc Jul 10 10:20:52 I am new to meego so i dunno what tools i have available to me to do things Jul 10 10:21:05 i have no wifi neighbours, i measured the signal using phone, so i know, that i some rooms in house the signal is low - then system says, that there is no signal Jul 10 10:21:36 i am also new - i have installed meego to netbook day before yesterday :) Jul 10 10:21:49 I just did iwconfig and my network adaptor isnt even listed Jul 10 10:25:18 Now its back after rebooting 3 times Jul 10 10:25:53 niadh: try to check system log Jul 10 10:26:04 maybe, there is some error messages Jul 10 10:26:20 Will do, I know the connection manager claimed to not be running Jul 10 12:24:15 hi all Jul 10 12:26:27 meegodotby: hi Jul 10 12:28:15 where repo for yum with last version fastinit (contain meego-dm instead moblin-dm)? Jul 10 12:34:53 does current meego work fine at n810 already? Jul 10 12:35:23 most important parts being: most of power saving, wifi, bluetooth, hspa modems via bluetooth Jul 10 12:35:51 then nice to have list: audio and gps Jul 10 12:42:56 Astral: No Jul 10 12:43:34 Astral: The last release runs on N900, includes a few apps (web browser included) but lacks connectivity, power management, or gps Jul 10 12:51:37 RST38h, gsm wont work ? Jul 10 12:51:49 /hsdpa ? Jul 10 12:52:32 modem drivers are being opened and integrated Jul 10 12:53:11 would be silly to integrate a large closed stack Jul 10 12:55:30 cool Jul 10 13:33:56 oh dammit Jul 10 13:34:07 I suspect it'll take quite a long time before even n900 is supported Jul 10 13:34:10 much less n810 Jul 10 13:35:37 we have it on 2.6.35 so wouldnt say so Jul 10 13:35:53 yeah, and all the drivers working? :> Jul 10 13:37:22 esp. power saving not sucking Jul 10 13:37:47 because I have to make my n810 more... usable Jul 10 13:37:54 it's fairly nasty right now Jul 10 13:38:24 http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=4382&postcount=27 Jul 10 13:39:01 i plan to spend some time over the summer on the n810 so Jul 10 13:39:05 no bluetooth? why? Jul 10 13:39:25 I thought mainline gets linux-omap patches integrated Jul 10 13:39:37 all this should work already Jul 10 13:39:53 probably needing a patch for n8x0 hw interface, hci4hcp broke on bootup Jul 10 13:40:03 didnt have time before i left to investigate Jul 10 13:40:26 bluetooth is a regression since 2.6.32-omap at least Jul 10 13:40:31 it worked before Jul 10 13:40:52 can't they at least try not to break stuff? :> Jul 10 13:40:55 probably Jul 10 13:41:10 same with TSC Jul 10 13:41:34 we got the 3d drivers working but there is a lot of hardware recovery being done Jul 10 13:42:15 hm Jul 10 13:42:28 you mean software fallbacks? Jul 10 13:42:49 more like some state mbx needs to get out of, be reset Jul 10 13:43:44 hm Jul 10 13:43:52 actual hardware issues Jul 10 13:46:57 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=722369&postcount=30 if you want to play Jul 10 14:21:11 Stskeeps, sounds good Jul 10 14:21:23 but can't I have a fast 2D interface instead? :> Jul 10 14:22:16 xfce4, but i was hoping to have openvg too Jul 10 14:23:41 the most unusable part is missing bluetooth Jul 10 14:23:48 can't live w/o my cellphone tether Jul 10 14:24:09 ye Jul 10 14:24:17 i will look into it Jul 10 14:25:39 tried clean linux-omap tree yet? Jul 10 14:25:51 I suspect it might work Jul 10 14:26:44 http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/tmlind/linux-omap-2.6.git;a=summary - which you already know Jul 10 14:27:54 esp. omap-testing branch Jul 10 14:27:58 I should try it myself, even Jul 10 16:53:54 DawnFoster, ping Jul 10 16:54:10 tripzero, pingback Jul 10 16:56:11 DawnFoster, do you think it would be worth creating a #meego-ivi channel here on freenode for the community to gather for ivi specific discussion? I know myself and many others would like to build more community around ivi and meego Jul 10 16:57:07 DawnFoster: you're meant to say "pong" :p Jul 10 16:57:28 what is ivi ? Jul 10 16:58:25 ivi == in vehicle infotainment Jul 10 16:59:08 ahh ok Jul 10 16:59:14 more channels? what for? Jul 10 16:59:15 that sounds interesting Jul 10 16:59:19 tripzero: not sure if we really need yet another irc channel Jul 10 16:59:21 this one is empty enough as it is Jul 10 16:59:29 empty lol Jul 10 16:59:30 we already have a bunch that people aren't using Jul 10 16:59:35 or rather, silent Jul 10 16:59:38 I'm trying to consolidate them Jul 10 17:00:07 cosmo[PB]: I think to be less predictable :) Jul 10 17:00:31 ugh, meant like to be less predictable Jul 10 17:00:57 I idle in #linuxice which is almost as active as this channel with only 20 or so people in it Jul 10 17:01:24 if all of the active ones came here , this channel could be noisy very quickly Jul 10 17:01:57 tripzero: if you're "working" then join us in Jul 10 17:02:00 but... i suppose that's okay for \now Jul 10 17:02:01 oops... Jul 10 17:02:11 #meego-dev until it's renamed Jul 10 17:02:30 what's it going to be renamed too? Jul 10 17:02:32 it's not too noisy and I'm happy to ask 'social' chat to leave it Jul 10 17:02:39 see DawnFoster :) Jul 10 17:02:47 :) Jul 10 17:02:51 otherwise just talk about ivi in here Jul 10 17:03:13 if we get annoyed with you (or vice-versa) then we can review Jul 10 17:03:53 nb... logged in yet? Jul 10 17:05:13 also, it'd be nice to know those in the community (here or elsewhere) also interested with IVI Jul 10 17:05:24 a sub-channel would also help with that :P Jul 10 17:05:42 otoh if you talk here you'll encourage interest.... Jul 10 17:06:03 and synchronisity with other projects Jul 10 17:06:27 ok Jul 10 17:06:51 nb... maybe put something up on the wiki Jul 10 17:07:03 oo, good idea Jul 10 17:07:24 describe what the IVI architecture is... what parts are open/closed Jul 10 17:07:48 may provide some mobile/ivi interaction too Jul 10 17:08:21 see if we can get some innovative interaction based on shared standards.... that kind of thing Jul 10 17:09:08 I'd love to pick my trip destination on my desktop, transfer it to my mobile, then the car, then the mobile for the last walk/tube trip... Jul 10 17:09:17 http://wiki.meego.com/IVI Jul 10 17:09:26 heh, looks like somebody already created a stub Jul 10 17:10:34 lbt, yep, that's the idea :) Jul 10 17:22:25 DawnFoster: maybe a experiment is warranted, one team which consolidates into #meego or whereever, one team that sets up own channel on area of work, and then drawing conclusions on how they develop / are able to work / community growth Jul 10 17:22:47 should be enough teams coming out of the woodwork to try Jul 10 17:24:18 could be an interesting result to have Jul 10 17:24:33 Nicer to have collaboration in fewer places Jul 10 17:24:45 as you get more eyes, more input, more exposure. Jul 10 17:26:01 * Stskeeps disagrees, but that is cos i see the need to grow subcommunities with teams and watchers/contributors as social things and 'feeling like belonging' is very important for work to be done Jul 10 17:26:47 especially when wanting more contributors, the mood has to be good. big channels tend towards a cold mood Jul 10 17:26:50 :P Jul 10 17:30:03 Stskeeps, +1 ;) Jul 10 17:30:24 * tripzero tries to imagine what would go in the IVI wiki Jul 10 17:30:45 i'm not sure the direction that the "Steering group" would like to take IVI Jul 10 17:30:50 but i have my own ideas :P Jul 10 17:32:08 if someone feels like they belong they are motivated and care about what they are doing Jul 10 17:32:48 indeed Jul 10 17:33:56 the issue is that you have to be careful in a new community not to get things spread out too quickly Jul 10 17:34:02 the important thing is that we know what channel people sit in and who they are and what nicknames they have Jul 10 17:34:19 if you fragment things too early, the community as a whole never really gels Jul 10 17:34:23 no matter if its a big or small.. i think those pages would make consolidation easier Jul 10 17:34:53 cos you can target people who you need to talk to :) Jul 10 17:35:03 as the community matures, you start to break things out into more discrete teams and projects after people really have a sense for the whole Jul 10 17:36:16 Stskeeps, here it is not a big channel... not yet Jul 10 17:36:35 409 is big to me Jul 10 17:36:42 :P Jul 10 17:37:02 \names Jul 10 17:37:26 but realistically only a few of them are active Jul 10 17:37:49 and this channel doesn't really have that many conversations yet Jul 10 17:38:03 i'm okay with chilling here and in *-dev fo the time being Jul 10 17:38:56 there was a lot initially and then it became appearant there were too many closed things and doubts who was doing what.. so people had nothing to discuss about than this problem Jul 10 17:40:19 but we're all better now ;) Jul 10 17:41:13 Stskeeps, so, you're saying that xfce4 mostly works in meego on n810? Jul 10 17:41:18 yes Jul 10 17:41:29 is alsa driver done yet btw? Jul 10 17:41:40 i am flying to poland in 5 mins though so i cannot discuss too much Jul 10 17:41:43 or is it still nasty DSP hacks? Jul 10 17:41:44 heh Jul 10 17:41:53 i believe people had alsa working on n810 Jul 10 17:42:02 Stskeeps: you get back just in time for me to have my email almost in a usable state Jul 10 17:42:05 well, I did, but it's been a long time Jul 10 17:42:05 :P Jul 10 17:42:20 and it was... buggy and unfinished a bit Jul 10 19:56:00 no horrible death in a plane crash for me today, woo \o/ Jul 10 19:57:20 yay Jul 10 19:57:23 wait Jul 10 19:57:24 what? Jul 10 19:57:40 inside joke Jul 10 19:58:09 I'd guess based on country of arrival Jul 10 19:58:42 * dm8tbr continues battling the PVR driver source. Jul 10 19:58:52 Personal Video Recorder? Jul 10 19:59:29 CosmoHill: just landed back in poland Jul 10 19:59:46 ah I see Jul 10 20:01:23 CosmoHill: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerVR Jul 10 20:01:31 oh that one Jul 10 20:01:33 the TI OMAP variety Jul 10 20:04:36 ah, nice looks like I might get some device specific PVR sources too Jul 10 22:19:44 cyas Jul 10 23:47:54 hi Jul 10 23:48:10 anyone else "having a problem with fonts" ? Jul 10 23:48:28 i've set all fonts to 8px but UI fonts still have the same size Jul 10 23:52:41 omg... what instant messenger does MeeGo use? Jul 10 23:53:30 Telepathy? Jul 10 23:53:51 i miss xchat over there :/ Jul 10 23:54:41 but i love. its amazing. but i need xchat Jul 10 23:54:55 and smaller UI fonts Jul 10 23:55:29 well, like my problem is that it totally blows off invisible mode for various people Jul 10 23:55:54 so, there's this person who is highly prone to harassing me, is now harassing me again Jul 10 23:56:05 and I can't find anything to block them Jul 10 23:56:47 tell them your gay :p Jul 10 23:57:13 or you have aids and its contagious over the internet Jul 10 23:57:30 um.. a) I'm a girl, and b) the other person is a girl as well Jul 10 23:57:44 errhmm Jul 10 23:58:20 well if it gets really nasty you can do 1 thing, but its .... really for last resorts Jul 10 23:58:23 yeah, I'm very much wanting to not get into cat fights with this bitch, and that's why she's on my block list, and everything, but I don't have any way to do it Jul 10 23:59:00 tell her you.... shhh .... *use Windows* Jul 10 23:59:10 ;P Jul 10 23:59:18 heh Jul 10 23:59:31 what networks is that? msn? Jul 10 23:59:43 I have Win7, but my free activation period just expired Jul 10 23:59:50 eh... she has me on YIM and MSN Jul 11 00:00:03 cant you block her on the websites? Jul 11 00:00:20 i heard you can manage contacts on the windows msn website Jul 11 00:00:23 she was already blocked a long time ago Jul 11 00:00:32 and its not working? :/ Jul 11 00:01:07 using pidgin things work fine, and she isn't all "why are you unblocking me... you must be plotting some shit agianst me, I hate you, die in a fire, fuck you, I hate you" Jul 11 00:01:11 yeah, it's not working Jul 11 00:01:46 ./ Jul 11 00:02:10 report it to microsoft? Jul 11 00:02:12 yeah, so now that my Win7 has expired, and I can't block her in MeeGo, I no longer have IM Jul 11 00:02:17 send an email to support Jul 11 00:02:30 kisse, install ubuntu? Jul 11 00:02:37 or mint, i like mint Jul 11 00:02:43 yeah, I'm debating just installing SUSE right now Jul 11 00:02:50 XFCE isn't that bad Jul 11 00:02:57 ye suse is nice but .... Jul 11 00:03:09 <--- Germanophile here Jul 11 00:03:12 my opinion is that the debian package managers/repos are a lot better Jul 11 00:03:22 im portuguese and i love suse also Jul 11 00:03:24 but its like i said Jul 11 00:03:30 yeah, I can see that Jul 11 00:03:51 i used to love it more before kde4 Jul 11 00:04:11 cause their kde/gnome integration rocked and i was a fan of the old konqueror Jul 11 00:04:35 I don't know... I'm religiously blocked from using KDE4 Jul 11 00:05:19 mee to Jul 11 00:05:31 i dont like the UI Jul 11 00:05:56 but konqueror was the real deal Jul 11 00:06:09 before nautilus got tabs :) Jul 11 00:06:34 Back then, I was using Galeon Jul 11 00:07:48 thats like, 1999 Jul 11 00:07:50 :) Jul 11 02:12:47 helo Jul 11 02:12:50 hello Jul 11 02:12:54 somebody here **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 11 02:59:57 2010