**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 12 02:59:57 2010 Jul 12 03:08:15 smackpotato, s/fans/unfortunate users/ Jul 12 07:47:27 morning all Jul 12 07:47:35 morn slaine Jul 12 07:48:33 lbt: Hi. May I help to test the community OBS? Jul 12 07:48:46 morning Jul 12 07:52:12 hello, anybody knows how to use context-provide ? Jul 12 07:52:31 could you provide some context? :-) Jul 12 07:52:42 no, really, is that about contextkit? Jul 12 07:52:48 I cannot set the value using context-provide Jul 12 07:52:50 yes Jul 12 07:52:59 ok, so, no, I can't help you Jul 12 07:53:03 I just couldn't resist the pun Jul 12 07:54:51 when i set the integer value in context-provide console, cannot success to set by json_parser error Jul 12 07:56:15 I succeed to set the integer value using ContextKit python wrapper. but I want to use context-provide tool Jul 12 07:56:15 hmm Jul 12 07:56:18 seems to work fine for me. Jul 12 07:56:57 you name the service and add the property before setting the value? Jul 12 07:57:22 no, just use context-provide Jul 12 07:57:32 i'll paste at pastebin Jul 12 07:59:06 http://pastebin.com/y0kcPkMM Jul 12 08:00:00 I added to Battery.ChargePercentage , and set the integer value Jul 12 08:00:10 in context-provide console Jul 12 08:00:53 Battery.ChargePercentage=[10] was ok, but i don't want set the List type Jul 12 08:02:21 hmm, no idea. Sorry. Jul 12 08:02:58 anway, thanks~ Jul 12 08:04:22 actually, Battery.ChargePercentage was defined as percentage type in /usr/share/contextkit/core.context. so I also tried to use percentage type in context-provide console. but it doesn't work OTL Jul 12 08:22:09 is there a quick way of converting all the git trees into a MeeGo image Jul 12 08:22:39 there are so many git trees, and if I want a particular change done by some developer in my image how can I go about it Jul 12 08:23:55 build that package, put the info into mic2, build? :P Jul 12 08:25:31 mic2 ? any document or wiki link ? Jul 12 08:26:24 wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation Jul 12 08:26:36 any of the connman guys around? Jul 12 08:27:19 thanks Stskeeps Jul 12 08:29:12 robster, have you done any testing using gcc 4.5.0 to build? Jul 12 08:38:38 krypton, FYI, http://gitorious.org/meegotouch-manifest/pages/Home Jul 12 08:38:59 but, It's not official way. Jul 12 08:39:29 but it is easy way to get all repositories Jul 12 08:40:37 and i recommand use it in chroot env. because it 'll install into /usr Jul 12 08:43:04 hi Jul 12 08:43:50 what is the status of emgd drivers for meego at the moment ? Jul 12 08:46:24 thanks exman, proved really good Jul 12 08:48:38 krypton, currently that manifest provides 18 meegotouch repositories. Jul 12 08:49:03 it 'll add several new meegotouch repositories soon. Jul 12 08:50:23 because some meegotouch repositories are blank. Jul 12 09:12:00 lbt: ping Jul 12 09:12:20 I'd like to throw some packages at the Community OBS thing - can I do that? Jul 12 09:16:15 hi all Jul 12 09:16:44 hi there Jul 12 09:17:02 anyone can tell me about the connected-tv meego version? Jul 12 09:17:19 is is on development ? Jul 12 09:17:26 or is there any release made? Jul 12 09:18:04 i heard 'libmeegotv' mentioned on a mailing list but i don't know where it's being developed Jul 12 09:18:22 it isn't part of the OBS either Jul 12 09:18:27 Stskeeps: DHG Jul 12 09:18:35 DHG? Jul 12 09:18:39 at the official website is there a reference, but it hasn't any release related Jul 12 09:18:41 Digital Home Group Jul 12 09:18:46 dunno them Jul 12 09:19:32 soukron: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-packaging/2010-July/000378.html - could try to follow up with this guy Jul 12 09:20:04 ok, thank you! Jul 12 09:21:07 well, i have to leave, thanks again for your answers! Jul 12 09:21:25 Sean Kelley of OTC is the contact point Jul 12 09:58:02 * thiago got a netbook Jul 12 09:58:08 now to install MeeGo on it... Jul 12 09:58:33 wd, specs? Jul 12 09:58:47 lenovo ideapad Jul 12 09:58:52 thiago: apt-get install meego :p Jul 12 09:59:00 it's got windows on it Jul 12 09:59:02 thiago: isn't that nvidia? Jul 12 09:59:04 gotta erase that first Jul 12 09:59:05 Ewww Jul 12 09:59:09 Stskeeps: no, intel graphics Jul 12 09:59:10 a Jul 12 09:59:10 h Jul 12 09:59:49 hey, what package has all the tcptools like Finger, Dig, Whois etc? Jul 12 10:00:09 thiago: why do you have to erase windows? Jul 12 10:00:17 this one: http://shop.lenovo.com/us/notebooks/ideapad/s-series/s10-3t Jul 12 10:00:20 the one on the right Jul 12 10:00:22 surely you can just boot from a DVD / USB and let the installer deal w/ it? Jul 12 10:00:33 timeless_mbp: cos windows is an inferior, mem hungry insecure load of... Jul 12 10:00:36 timeless_mbp: yeah, but the installer will erase Windows :-) Jul 12 10:00:51 yeah, but you don't have to do it as a step on your own Jul 12 10:01:13 brokendatapoint: you clearly haven't used mobile platforms Jul 12 10:01:16 I think I saw that model of Lenovo recently - cool little computer Jul 12 10:01:28 it's charging Jul 12 10:01:38 now I need to figure out how to get the pre-1.1 builds Jul 12 10:01:42 heh Jul 12 10:01:43 MeeGo 1.0 is old :-) Jul 12 10:01:44 timeless_mbp: have too, still hate it Jul 12 10:02:03 brokendatapoint: anyway, wrt memory hungry, windows is not a winner Jul 12 10:02:12 ZFS (any platform) is a much bigger pig than windows Jul 12 10:02:22 and Maemo certainly eats memory Jul 12 10:02:30 * timeless_mbp can't speak for MeeGo Jul 12 10:02:50 that's what memory is there for :-) Jul 12 10:03:04 well Jul 12 10:03:19 on my mbp which has 4gb of ram, kernel_task uses >1gb Jul 12 10:03:37 that leaves 800mb for one web browser, 400mb for an irc client Jul 12 10:03:55 150mb for a Tracker like service (that actually works, unlike tracker) Jul 12 10:04:05 130mb for WindowServer Jul 12 10:04:32 the rest can be used by apps and a bunch of services Jul 12 10:07:35 since Meego seems to be a RH-derivative, where can i search for specific packages online? is there an online package repos like debian packages? Jul 12 10:08:46 m( Jul 12 10:10:21 brokendatapoint: People will complain if you say MeeGo is a derivative of Fedora or RH Jul 12 10:11:40 meego is based on moblin and the nokia one Jul 12 10:11:52 just because it uses RPMs doesn't mean it's based on redhat Jul 12 10:12:01 See? Jul 12 10:12:19 DEBIAN VS. REDHAT! FIGHT! Jul 12 10:12:21 rpm4 is made by redhat Jul 12 10:12:23 * Myrtti gets the popcorn Jul 12 10:12:25 RPM5 isn't Jul 12 10:13:04 Myrtti: 50 bucks on the short fat guy Jul 12 10:13:40 Red Hat suxcorz Debian rox! Jul 12 10:13:46 the one with the beard? Jul 12 10:13:49 * Stskeeps looks for the duct-tape Jul 12 10:14:05 Queue fun! Jul 12 10:14:18 but redhat and debain have nothing to do with meego Jul 12 10:14:32 Myrtti: has to be Jul 12 10:17:22 CosmoHill: oh, stop bringing facts into a good argument ;-) Jul 12 10:17:34 very well Jul 12 10:17:46 meego is based on magic but looks at guys in weird ways Jul 12 10:17:48 discuss Jul 12 10:18:09 *laugh* Jul 12 10:23:49 s/guys/children/ Jul 12 10:25:06 Jul 12 10:25:24 children don't do it for you RST38h? Jul 12 10:25:27 * CosmoHill flees Jul 12 10:25:34 My Acer one doesn't have a COM port for the BEagle board I want to connect to it. Can I use a USB -> Serial to connect? Jul 12 10:25:41 yes Jul 12 10:25:55 I suppose I should ask this in #Beagle but I figure there might be some here who know Jul 12 10:26:02 I have a usb->serial adapter for my laptops Jul 12 10:26:11 I use screen / putty Jul 12 10:26:31 So a USB -> Serial should work to run minicom? Jul 12 10:26:39 minicom? Jul 12 10:26:45 I've heard of that but I don't remember were Jul 12 10:26:50 yes Jul 12 10:27:08 mincom: friendly menu driven serial communication program Jul 12 10:27:13 * dm8tbr uses an ftdi usbserial adaptor for his OMAP based hardware Jul 12 10:27:17 dm8tbr: Thanks. :) Jul 12 10:27:34 my adapter doesn't work on windows 7 64bit Jul 12 10:27:40 * jeremiah googles ftdi Jul 12 10:28:10 I like ftdi because it copes with the 1MBaud rate my kernels speak by default Jul 12 10:28:30 Okay. Jul 12 10:29:07 jeremiah: you can get pc card / express card adapters too Jul 12 10:29:42 real UART cards :) Jul 12 10:29:55 I kind of want to follow a bare bones set up Jul 12 10:30:13 k re my comment on RH etc ... where in the Meego repos can i get tcptools etc? Jul 12 10:30:16 So the USB -> Serial thing should be enough fo rme Jul 12 10:30:55 jeremiah: also I've seen some which are USB to two serial ports incause you want to use two at a time Jul 12 10:31:09 brokendatapoint: zyppper search "tcptools" ? Jul 12 10:31:18 Oh really? Jul 12 10:31:28 Hmm two serial ports might be good Jul 12 10:31:43 I have a USB hub so I think I will use that for other stuff Jul 12 10:32:01 I am trying to go through this: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners Jul 12 10:32:15 So that I set things up the same way everyone else does Jul 12 10:32:33 Then I want to do this: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Beagleboard_from_scratch#Prerequisites Jul 12 10:32:34 I guess you should start asking those questions on #beagle if you want to get more specific Jul 12 10:32:48 dm8tbr: Yeah, you're probably right Jul 12 10:32:57 ahh i have been trying to search via yum ... zypper search, thanks Jul 12 10:33:06 jeremiah: and you want to join #meego-arm and talk to harbaum Jul 12 10:33:14 he's the one working on that Jul 12 10:34:08 Yeah, I'm in that chatroom too. :) Jul 12 10:34:27 I'll start hasseling Till soon enough. =) Jul 12 10:36:16 brokendatapoint: I don't know why meego ships with yum Jul 12 10:38:18 just did zypper search tools/net/tcp ... there is net-tools but does not seem to be what i want Jul 12 10:44:09 jeremiah =~ s/chatroom/channel/ Jul 12 10:47:20 You say potato, I say potato Jul 12 10:55:07 but you type the same thing Jul 12 11:09:11 installing meego Jul 12 11:09:16 yay Jul 12 11:09:31 didn't dawn have some update instructions? Jul 12 11:10:28 keyboard installation -- the touchpad click doesn't work Jul 12 11:10:33 hi all Jul 12 11:12:03 there, Windows is gone Jul 12 11:12:52 http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/5120/photoon20100711at1546.jpg Jul 12 11:12:55 mwhahahahahaha Jul 12 11:13:28 nice Jul 12 11:42:43 im a newbie here and im gonna start development for meego...though i'm pretty versed with qt...and i wanna know how to make meego appear fullscreen when usin the simulator environment Jul 12 11:47:10 maybe add "-screen 1024x768" Jul 12 11:47:14 but with your resolution Jul 12 11:47:56 cool thanks will try it Jul 12 11:50:38 u mean "startmeego -screen 1024x768" Jul 12 11:50:38 ? Jul 12 11:50:54 CosmoHill, ? Jul 12 11:51:05 well that dint work Jul 12 11:51:20 oh n Jul 12 11:51:34 I got it from here Jul 12 11:51:35 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=767 Jul 12 11:51:46 "Xephyr :2 -ac -host-cursor -screen 1024x768" Jul 12 11:52:25 thanks m8... Jul 12 11:53:45 oh am supposed to do that outside the root... Jul 12 11:54:22 hmmm CosmoHill, are u an experienced programmer in meego? Jul 12 11:54:23 I think so Jul 12 11:54:26 nope Jul 12 11:54:44 do I give that illusion? Jul 12 11:54:54 lol :P jus asked Jul 12 11:55:36 coz i want to know whats the best way to begin getting involved into the whole meego scenario Jul 12 11:55:42 i am not interested in fixing bugs Jul 12 11:55:54 :P Jul 12 12:17:40 anyone from india over here? Jul 12 12:18:57 * CosmoHill checks his pockets Jul 12 12:19:04 no I don't seem to have that country on me Jul 12 12:20:12 CosmoHill: check the other pocket Jul 12 12:22:51 gaara: You will be able to find it on wiki whos who page Jul 12 12:22:56 I am from India by the way :) Jul 12 12:23:58 ah i read that as "got" not "from" Jul 12 12:27:16 yeah Jul 12 12:27:22 installed emesene on Meego Jul 12 12:28:27 ping lbt Jul 12 12:28:29 DawnFoster: can you ban exuberantsolutions (and/or purge them from living too)? Jul 12 12:28:43 hey w00t_ Jul 12 12:30:31 ping X-Fade Jul 12 12:30:48 amjad: pong Jul 12 12:32:33 i want to help as a tester for community obs :) Jul 12 12:34:07 and yes i know how to use obs and can really help in fixing build issues Jul 12 12:34:30 amjad: That is always a good thing ;) Jul 12 12:35:34 :) Jul 12 12:47:00 amjad, mwkn or mailing list? Jul 12 12:49:31 mailing list :) Jul 12 12:57:13 wondering if I should just mark the ml as all read Jul 12 12:57:46 X-Fade: is there an ETA on community OBS ? Jul 12 12:57:58 beta testing opened, i believe? Jul 12 12:58:02 slaine: I can give you a test account. Jul 12 12:58:19 Please, we'd agreed before but I'd no followed up Jul 12 12:58:44 not followed up that is Jul 12 12:58:49 anyone here from the localization team? Jul 12 13:18:40 how do I change the hostname... Jul 12 13:25:37 thiago: hmm Jul 12 13:25:58 thiago: check /etc/sysconfig/network Jul 12 13:26:37 thanks Jul 12 15:05:19 is the MeeGo one can get running on the N900 totally open source, or are there binary blobs for driving hardware and such? Jul 12 15:06:00 there is SGX drivers, battery management, wifi and bt firmwares, and i think that's about it Jul 12 15:07:09 Stskeeps: so you could boot the thing and get it running (without those pieces of course) without anything proprietary? Jul 12 15:07:40 yes, but it is rather useless without 3d drivers or battery charging, or wifi or bluetooth Jul 12 15:07:50 it is easily fetchable through a repo you get when accepting a EULA Jul 12 15:08:09 so it's not 'inaccessible' closed source blos Jul 12 15:08:10 b Jul 12 15:08:30 oh, battery management includes the basic things as charging? Jul 12 15:08:39 yes.. Jul 12 15:08:53 on PC's this is normally closed source inside ACPI/bios :) Jul 12 15:09:48 Stskeeps: true, although the BIOS doesn't have to be loaded at runtime, so there is a slight difference. it's cases when it's hard to tell what's hardware and what's software ;) Jul 12 15:10:07 i personally am happy that when i present ownership of my n900, i get access :P Jul 12 15:10:08 at any rate, oh well, it sounds better than Android at least. i'm looking for an as-open-as-possible phone. Jul 12 15:11:23 we're getting closer :) Jul 12 15:11:23 Stskeeps: what's closed source in the BME, the driver or the firmware ? Jul 12 15:11:34 pinchartl: BME the binary blob, no kernel parts Jul 12 15:11:46 Stskeeps: some kind of userspace daemon ? Jul 12 15:11:56 pinchartl: right Jul 12 15:12:08 LjL: the next major battle will be to get the OpenGL ES chip vendors to open up their specs/drivers Jul 12 15:12:27 i think the next step is just allowing redistributability. Jul 12 15:12:56 Stskeeps: ok thanks. what's blocking there, copyright on the code, specs availability, something else ? Jul 12 15:13:15 pinchartl: for BME? 'boom' being the keyword and patents, i believe Jul 12 15:13:28 is there anyone trying to reverse-engineer an own driver instead? like they do with Nouveau for instance Jul 12 15:13:30 hehe Jul 12 15:13:38 LjL: not that I know of Jul 12 15:13:41 LjL: for 3d it is difficult, for bme some people are doing it in community Jul 12 15:14:27 Stskeeps: the BME closed-source userspace component talks with a kernel driver. in theory isn't "boom" already possible with an open-source software talking to the same driver ? Jul 12 15:14:39 on an unrelated note, is MeeGo on the N810 in anywhere close to an usable state? i've checked the wiki page about it, which makes it sound like there's nothing really ready, but just want to double check Jul 12 15:16:32 LjL: we have 2.6.35-rc5 on it, but still work to be done. Jul 12 15:17:52 Stskeeps: you said the N900 is rather useless without 3D drivers among other things (i guess because of using composite or something) - what about the 810, i don't think that has 3D acceleration at all...? Jul 12 15:18:26 that is something that Stskeeps and I are going to be doing some work on this week Jul 12 15:18:29 (hopefully..) Jul 12 15:18:34 remains to be seen what luck we'll have Jul 12 15:19:18 i'm somewhat considering getting an N810 instead of an N900 because of... you know, the price ;) Jul 12 15:20:37 LjL: n810 has a 3d chip, but there was some issue with memory available to it (it has less memory than needed for a 1 full frame to fit in it) Jul 12 15:21:16 *yawn* Jul 12 15:21:17 oh, funny Jul 12 15:31:38 is David Woodhouse around? Jul 12 15:32:55 stskeeps / w00t_: hey guys! mrshaver has been working on a list of our web infrastructure http://wiki.meego.com/Web_infrastructure if you want to contribute (hint, hint) Jul 12 15:33:34 I know some of the IRC stuff (meetbot / logs / etc.) needs some details Jul 12 15:33:42 DawnFoster: will put it on my todo for tomorrow Jul 12 15:33:46 no hurry Jul 12 15:34:00 mrshaver is on vacation this week anyway Jul 12 15:34:40 I thought it would be nice to get some of it documented for him while he's away Jul 12 15:38:02 DawnFoster: thanks for the heads up Jul 12 15:39:26 we're hoping to get the migration to the OSU OSL servers started soon, but the first step is figuring out where all of the bits and pieces are located now Jul 12 15:41:03 mhm Jul 12 15:50:31 FunkyPenguin: duno Jul 12 15:53:27 robster, ok well i think ive managed to beat chromium and gcc 4.5 into playing together - with some help Jul 12 16:22:19 I've never had a problem building chromium with gcc 4.5 Jul 12 16:41:55 X-Fade, lbt what is the procedure for being involved with Community OBS testing, there are also a number of others in here who have requested details, but I did not see any response (copyleft, jebba, rohanpm, jeremiah, amjad(got resp from XFade), slaine) Jul 12 16:54:05 * thiago starts building Qt on the netbook Jul 12 17:32:45 hey all, tryin to boot meego, just hanging at a blinking cursor black screen Jul 12 17:33:15 boot what where? Jul 12 17:33:15 :P Jul 12 17:33:38 who :P Jul 12 17:34:11 it's prolly just not compatible with the ole Celeron 215 i'm betting Jul 12 17:34:12 boot what meego, netbook, handset? Jul 12 17:34:13 :P Jul 12 17:34:46 * Myrtti takes out her sorting hat Jul 12 17:35:24 * Stskeeps watches his nokia n8x0 build build away with handset ux and ponders how badly it exactly functions Jul 12 17:35:44 trying it on a Intel� Desktop Board D201GLY was kinda hoping it would work, really wanna avoid Jolicloud Jul 12 17:35:57 it works but....well it's no Meego Jul 12 17:36:06 is it an atom board or one with ssse3? Jul 12 17:36:08 Stskeeps: Will it magically be able to call? :) Jul 12 17:36:16 RST38h: on a n8x0? doubt it Jul 12 17:36:18 board with SSE3 yeah Jul 12 17:36:25 SSSE3, not SSE3 :) Jul 12 17:36:41 RST38h: ui lends itself nicely to the older tablets, i think Jul 12 17:36:58 Bigger screen. Jul 12 17:37:02 oOoOoOo Jul 12 17:37:03 i see Jul 12 17:37:06 /me wants bigger screen Jul 12 17:37:08 hehe Jul 12 17:37:22 Atoms should have SSSE3, no? Jul 12 17:37:53 Where is X-Fade when you need him? Jul 12 17:38:26 hopefully having a cold beer Jul 12 17:38:30 His midgard machinery is misbehaving again Jul 12 17:38:48 And, btw, if you are still using Maemo5 for reading, vote here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/fbreader/0.10.7-13/ Jul 12 17:39:43 Stskeeps: ya it supports SSSE3 Jul 12 17:40:46 lbt, x-fade: I am interested in trying out the community OBS - that will be usable to build Meego itself, right? Jul 12 17:41:17 probably eventually, but resources might be a little low initially :) Jul 12 17:41:25 what do you intend to build it for? Jul 12 17:41:29 well, I'm even willing to set stuff up locally... Jul 12 17:42:18 Now see, that's the question too... I am particularly interested in trying building Meego for some older x86 hardware (with the known caveat that it needs 3D acceleration; I have that part handled). Jul 12 17:42:38 But, I may also try (at some point) to build it for some other platforms. Jul 12 17:42:47 well, there's guides to be setting up local OBS as well Jul 12 17:43:02 look like back to jolicloud :S Jul 12 17:43:02 lbt: does community OBS support linking? Jul 12 17:43:29 Sure - but to date, I haven't figured out where to even get the sources necessary to build... well, that, and I've got a OpenSuSE OBS account. :) Jul 12 17:43:44 they're in daily trunk source repo on repo.meego.com :P Jul 12 17:43:57 that makes sense :) Jul 12 17:44:12 I guess this was a failure to connect the dots on my part :) Jul 12 17:44:17 prjconf is in gitorious i believe Jul 12 17:44:29 I saw guides on "here is what you do on OBS" but no other refs Jul 12 17:44:41 wiki.meego.com is starting to have a fair bit Jul 12 17:44:41 I will give that a shot at some point soon... Jul 12 17:45:16 see, my thinking is that an Atom is roughly equivalent CPU horsepower to the fastest P-III systems - which might make it a good candidate for "donate-ware" Jul 12 17:45:38 A lot of old hardware passes through/near my hands :) Jul 12 17:46:04 or, better, a OBS cluster ;p Jul 12 17:46:41 stskeeps: alarmingly, I think I could do that at home :) Jul 12 17:46:50 anyone here knows how to contact infradead.org admins? Jul 12 17:47:03 I did throw about ten boxes when I was working on an embedded Gentoo project :) Jul 12 17:47:19 felipec: the guy replied on meego-dev, didn't he? :p Jul 12 17:47:44 yes, he did Jul 12 17:47:51 (david woodhouse) Jul 12 17:48:18 humm.... meego's gcc is crashing Jul 12 17:48:37 /home/thiago/src/troll/qt/src/corelib/codecs/qsimplecodec.cpp:710: internal compiler error: in see_copy_insn, at see.c:2451 Jul 12 17:48:43 w00t_: yeah, but I sent another mail that hasn't been replied... and I wonder if I can catch him on IRC somewhere Jul 12 17:48:54 maybe thare are other admins, who knows Jul 12 17:49:18 thiago: which gcc is that? Jul 12 17:49:38 anyway, gotta go now Jul 12 17:50:09 4.4.2 Jul 12 17:50:37 we're at gcc4.5 in trunk now i think Jul 12 17:51:30 yeah, but this is netbook 1.0 Jul 12 17:51:32 and since I know you are not a Gentoo fanboy, you're not using crazy stuff like -floop-foo :) Jul 12 17:52:39 thiago: can I see the output of "gcc --v"? Jul 12 17:53:10 ooo it feels good that MeeGo is keeping uptodate with the rest of the world (Re GCC version update) and not stuck with 2 year old stuff Jul 12 17:53:14 GordonS: http://pastebin.ca/1899150 Jul 12 17:53:36 * thiago tones down the optimisations Jul 12 17:54:07 what opti flags were you using? Jul 12 17:54:24 * GordonS wonders wtf "--enable-gnu-unique-object" does... he's never even seen that flag... Jul 12 17:54:39 -O3 -g -fsee -ftree-loop-linear -floop-interchange -floop-strip-mine -floop-block -ftree-loop-distribution -ftree-loop-im -funroll-loops Jul 12 17:54:43 [appologizing for the off topic,] which phone do you recommend for doing meego development? Jul 12 17:54:49 ok GordonS added to the list, and RST38h ??? lets go do the conga... dar dar dar! Jul 12 17:54:59 thiago: -floop-foo is buggy as hell on gcc 4.4 Jul 12 17:55:00 X-Fade, lbt what is the procedure for being involved with Community OBS testing, there are also a number of others in here who have requested details, but I did not see any response (copyleft, jebba, rohanpm, jeremiah, amjad(got resp from XFade), slaine, GordonS, ...) Jul 12 17:55:19 can I keep the -ftree? Jul 12 17:55:30 those are fine Jul 12 17:55:35 how about -fsee ? Jul 12 17:56:04 hmm... don't remember, lemme check what that does again :) Jul 12 17:56:41 That one should be fine, I think. Jul 12 17:57:10 it's the one that the compiler is having an ICE in Jul 12 17:57:16 see_copy_isns Jul 12 17:57:20 insn Jul 12 17:57:38 even with the -floop stuff gone? Jul 12 17:57:45 let's find out Jul 12 17:58:09 yes Jul 12 17:58:12 wuh Jul 12 17:58:21 duly noted, I'll be sure to avoid that one :) Jul 12 17:59:23 I asked because I have seen cases where combining -floop-foo and one of several other flags breaks Jul 12 17:59:37 but the other flags by themselves are fine Jul 12 18:00:50 interesting, CXXFLAGS is set by default on MeeGo Jul 12 18:01:49 CXXFLAGS should always be ${CFLAGS} imo Jul 12 18:01:55 yeah Jul 12 18:01:58 well... Jul 12 18:02:13 there are rare cases where you need to set *additional* stuff in CXXFLAGS Jul 12 18:02:18 -march=core2 -mtune=atom -mfpmath=sse -fno-strict-aliasing Jul 12 18:02:20 but I don't remember why I needed that Jul 12 18:02:23 * thiago removes the latter part Jul 12 18:02:29 good code doesn't have aliasing issues :-) Jul 12 18:02:43 thiago: FWIW I have actually had decent luck with -mfpmath=sse,387 in 4.5 Jul 12 18:02:46 no need for -mtune Jul 12 18:02:51 oh wait Jul 12 18:02:54 sure there is Jul 12 18:03:22 * thiago runs gmake -j30 on the poor Atom Jul 12 18:03:29 bwahaha Jul 12 18:04:03 poor being Jul 12 18:04:08 thiago: that's a torture Jul 12 18:04:27 load avg 4.63 Jul 12 18:04:45 thiago: most things don't parallelize well Jul 12 18:04:53 building does Jul 12 18:04:54 thiago: try the same in kernel sources Jul 12 18:05:15 thiago: no. i mean, most packages don't parallelize building well Jul 12 18:05:25 Qt does :-) Jul 12 18:05:29 indeed yes Jul 12 18:05:47 this is part of why I got a gigabit router for home :) Jul 12 18:06:45 but the farm isn't distributing... Jul 12 18:08:37 * GordonS is now imagining trying to distribute a cow... messy... Jul 12 18:08:47 moo? Jul 12 18:08:55 "Moo! *splat*" Jul 12 18:08:56 moo-hoo. Jul 12 18:09:05 Burgers? Jul 12 18:09:09 indeed! Jul 12 18:09:22 but that is also messy, if you are the one doing the distribution :) Jul 12 18:09:42 burgers == distributed cow with topping? Jul 12 18:09:42 :P Jul 12 18:15:26 how does one build the kernel? Jul 12 18:15:34 make => no CPU usage Jul 12 18:15:34 dammit Jul 12 18:15:48 my windows server has unactivated itself because the BIOS clock got reset Jul 12 18:15:49 thiago: you mean, specifically for Meego, or in general?: Jul 12 18:15:53 thiago: the meego kernel? rpmbuild or sacrificing virgins Jul 12 18:15:53 in general Jul 12 18:15:56 *spltf* Jul 12 18:16:10 thiago: "make defconfig", then "make bzImage" Jul 12 18:16:22