**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 15 02:59:56 2010 Jul 15 03:07:55 X-Fade, lbt, xen libblkid problem is fixed now. Thanks! Jul 15 03:07:55 ouch Jul 15 03:07:56 http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Droid-smartphone-ROMs-android-root,news-7467.html Jul 15 06:41:44 Hiya all Jul 15 06:42:09 is version 1 production ready for n900. Jul 15 06:42:30 anything that'll be production ready would be 1.1 Jul 15 06:42:33 I mean can I go ahead with replacing my maemo with meego Jul 15 06:42:41 no Jul 15 06:42:56 hmm. okay Jul 15 06:43:13 btw when is 1.1 due . any idea ? Jul 15 06:43:27 october Jul 15 06:43:41 nice. Jul 15 06:43:45 and consider that this is a open source project, it's not a productized nokia product Jul 15 06:44:57 would 1.1 meego consume lesser of the battery. I mean any improvement on battery manager side. My n900 battery with maemo lasts only 24 hours. Jul 15 06:45:24 if it only lasts 24 hours, you need to look into what causes it - a router with no PSM tends to do that Jul 15 06:45:31 or a misbehaving applet Jul 15 06:45:40 <_Pete_> Jenna: doing what on that 24h? Jul 15 06:45:54 Stskeeps, I understand that. but Im assuming Nokia would endorse one of those version for N900 (maybe as an advisory if not officially) Jul 15 06:46:23 Jenna: well, we'll see where we end up Jul 15 06:46:29 PSM ? Jul 15 06:46:50 http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) Jul 15 06:46:59 ah. Jul 15 06:47:04 wifi is most of the times off Jul 15 06:47:13 a bad router can severely affect your wifi, so Jul 15 06:47:20 <_Pete_> Jenna: looking my n900 battery-eye it has been up and running without charging well over two days Jul 15 06:47:42 <_Pete_> mostly idle on that time Jul 15 06:49:32 hmm. I wonder if there is any documentation/advisory which would help me mend my Power_Wasting_mode habits Jul 15 06:50:30 what router do you have? Jul 15 06:51:50 Stskeeps, I dont have any router. I just connect it with my laptop running in "Adhoc" mode. (ubuntu) Jul 15 06:52:04 ah, that's why Jul 15 06:52:07 it burns power like insane Jul 15 06:52:18 how come ? Jul 15 06:52:39 connection's always turned on, with a router it would be able to shut down in intervals and save power when no traffic is being sent Jul 15 06:53:32 Stskeeps, I only turn on the internet connection when I need to access/transfer data. other wise blooth/wifi are off Jul 15 06:54:00 my Internet Access mode is set to "always ask" before connect. Jul 15 06:54:09 right, but it needs to burn more than needed when it is up, dragging on the battery Jul 15 06:54:15 but look into the battery graph softwares Jul 15 06:54:21 then you can investigate why things go down Jul 15 06:54:49 http://www.maemocommunity.com/720/nokia-n900-batterygraph-application/ Jul 15 06:55:34 hmm. okay Im gonna digg into those as wel.. Jul 15 06:56:12 with heavy use, i charge mine when i sleep, normally. Jul 15 06:56:19 btw ideally how long should a battery last (for 4-5 calls (5min) a day) ? Jul 15 06:56:56 Stskeeps, I use darker themes (not so bright wall papers n stuff). but it doesn' t help much. Jul 15 06:59:03 my battery can last two 1-hour calls at least Jul 15 06:59:37 thiago_home, long distance calls ? Jul 15 06:59:56 no, the call goes to the nearest cell tower :-) Jul 15 07:00:13 :-) Jul 15 07:00:24 local call, long distance or international, that doesn't influence the power consumption Jul 15 07:00:57 okay thanx guys Jul 15 07:01:03 but I've been in calls to finland and the UK that lasted an hour Jul 15 07:01:15 gona rtfm a little on the subject Jul 15 07:01:27 you must like talking on the phone Jul 15 07:01:52 ljp: headphones and mute make a great difference :-) Jul 15 07:02:03 * Jenna can tell from thiago's name about his gender Jul 15 07:02:18 moin Jul 15 07:02:26 * thiago_home can do the same to Jenna Jul 15 07:02:29 so how's meegoland today Jul 15 07:02:31 :-) Jul 15 07:02:57 :) Jul 15 07:04:05 ljp: comes with the territory anyway. I'm on those long calls so you guys don't have to be :-) Jul 15 07:04:15 better you than me, thats for sure Jul 15 07:04:56 as long as one gets paid for making those phonecalls... Jul 15 07:06:03 thiago works for shiny things Jul 15 07:06:16 Myrtti: you mean the phone bill? Jul 15 07:07:03 or having to deal with people not understanding the mute button ;) Jul 15 07:07:15 thiago_home: a paycheck from employer works Jul 15 07:07:22 thiago_home: have you been able to ssh into your meego device? Jul 15 07:07:29 Stskeeps: that's why you only go to calls with veteran voice conference people Jul 15 07:07:39 ever watched the movie "Up in the Air" ? Jul 15 07:08:00 the one with george clooney? Jul 15 07:08:03 there's a scene where George Clooney is explaining how you should go in the queue with veteran travellers Jul 15 07:08:24 slip-on shoes, nothing in their pockets, etc. Jul 15 07:08:40 same thing: you prefer calls with people who know they have to mute Jul 15 07:09:06 though every now and then there's a moment of silence and then someone says, "if you're talking, you forgot to unmute" :-) Jul 15 07:09:47 * ljp cant seem to ssh into either n900 meego or the other one Jul 15 07:09:51 Best ones are the ones who forget to mute and fall asleep. Jul 15 07:10:14 ttj: I've heard of a case where someone forgot to mute and went to the restroom Jul 15 07:10:31 Yeah, that happens occasionally, I guess. Jul 15 07:10:36 so how well is n900 dev coming along? Jul 15 07:10:45 good(TM) Jul 15 07:10:50 i would like to try out meego this weekend Jul 15 07:10:59 i'd wait until next weekly Jul 15 07:11:02 But it typically stops. If someone has an unmuted phone and starts snoring, that's really annoying as it doesn't stop anytime soon. :) Jul 15 07:11:07 ah ok Jul 15 07:11:22 Stskeeps: gles support added to the ui? Jul 15 07:11:29 what wm is it using? Jul 15 07:11:39 mcompositor, handset ux Jul 15 07:11:39 modded matchbox like maemo? Jul 15 07:11:46 ah ok Jul 15 07:12:04 how is the ui coming along? Jul 15 07:12:25 what's left hw wise to get working? wifi and cell modem? Jul 15 07:12:47 wifi we might have nailed now, cell modem is in progress (kernel support first, then userland) Jul 15 07:13:04 thats great Jul 15 07:13:14 cant wait to check it out :) Jul 15 07:13:29 not horribly exciting, but it might be eventually Jul 15 07:13:43 im sure it will be rough around the edges for a while Jul 15 07:13:49 exciting if your work depends on it Jul 15 07:13:59 but then i remember my g1 when android first came out Jul 15 07:14:15 ljp: you were going to do some qt mobility stuff? Jul 15 07:14:23 a year or so later they have done some pretty good work with android Jul 15 07:15:06 Stskeeps: yes. connman plugin for bearermanagement in Qt, among other things Jul 15 07:15:17 :nod: planning to use a n900 for testing? Jul 15 07:15:25 ljp: where's your code, btw? Jul 15 07:15:41 ljp: I'd like to take a look to write the backend for the network manager plasmoid Jul 15 07:16:07 thiago_home: waiting for oslo1 to clear. nm lugin is already in qt Jul 15 07:16:14 plugin Jul 15 07:16:29 right Jul 15 07:16:37 but the plasmoid only does NM, which isn't useful on Meego Jul 15 07:16:58 * thiago_home can't control his wifi from KDE while on MeeGo Jul 15 07:17:39 thiago_home: I also have written ^H^H^H^H hacked a connman applet Jul 15 07:22:25 morn-ing Jul 15 07:22:33 moo-rning lbt Jul 15 07:31:40 moin Jul 15 07:33:45 X-Fade: so... community OBS builds MeeGo apps for all arches against core for current weekly snapshot and 1.0 Jul 15 07:34:01 * lbt hi-5s X-Fade Jul 15 07:34:40 At least uxlaunch managed got built against all, worked fine :) Jul 15 07:35:03 s/got/to get/ Jul 15 07:35:03 X-Fade meant: At least uxlaunch managed to get built against all, worked fine :) Jul 15 07:35:13 yes... I need Anaz or someone to explain a bit more about the repos on meego.com Jul 15 07:35:32 and decide how we should setup targets on the community OBS Jul 15 07:35:36 I also wonder what to do about per UX targets? Jul 15 07:35:50 I don't know if it's enough to throw *all* rpms into a single pool Jul 15 07:36:03 there should be no collisions Jul 15 07:36:27 Depends on if there are modified packages for a certain UX. Jul 15 07:36:36 against preview+weekly makes a lot of sense Jul 15 07:36:36 shouldn't be Jul 15 07:36:53 Stskeeps: yup... and we'll allow w-1 and w-2 aswell Jul 15 07:37:05 so if a build fails one week you can regression test Jul 15 07:48:46 lbt: i guess it isn't possible to linkpac against MeeGo main OBS packages on community obs yet? Jul 15 07:48:57 it was :( Jul 15 07:49:06 That got killed. Jul 15 07:49:14 nag anaZ Jul 15 07:49:18 ah, cos of linking Jul 15 07:49:45 *if* someone linked against chrome it hurts Jul 15 07:49:52 that's about it IIRC Jul 15 07:49:59 fair enough Jul 15 07:50:31 although the bandwidth is so slow I guess it could be worse than that to be fair Jul 15 07:50:42 was main OBS at OSU yet or not? Jul 15 07:50:58 Don't think so. Jul 15 07:53:24 X-Fade: we should discuss on here... :) Jul 15 07:54:29 I guess we should see if we can remove the Power achitecture stats too. Nothing using ppc. Jul 15 07:55:56 agreed .... (make sure you note any config changes on the wiki) Jul 15 07:56:16 and I wonder if we should move to the meego wiki too Jul 15 07:56:52 Let's do that when we go public when we are at OSU? Jul 15 07:57:00 We can just wiki export->wiki import. Jul 15 07:57:34 sure Jul 15 08:31:52 lbt: ping Jul 15 08:32:01 pong Stskeeps Jul 15 08:33:06 nm, unping :P i was looking for a way to see when a package broke compilation Jul 15 08:33:36 large swathes of red Jul 15 08:33:59 it could be nice that when a package fails to compile, it spews out the diff from the last package that worked Jul 15 08:34:30 *nod* Jul 15 08:35:20 we're looking at the notification side Jul 15 08:35:26 as part of workflow Jul 15 08:37:01 morning slaine Jul 15 08:37:13 morning Stskeeps Jul 15 08:45:08 Does the current meego release have 3g support? Jul 15 08:45:23 yes Jul 15 08:45:27 handset,netbook? Jul 15 08:45:28 the question is whether it supports your 3G hw Jul 15 08:46:25 thiago: there is no 3g in the networks section... Jul 15 08:47:14 stskeeps: netbook Jul 15 08:50:49 I am just trying to find out, if I should use MeeGo instead of xubuntu (which I use atm) - because I read that meego would be able to support extremely fast boot times... but so far I am not really convinced... can I get meego with a "normal" interface and not the absolutely reduced one? Jul 15 08:53:28 (this would be your chance to "convert" me...) Jul 15 08:54:07 we're not here to evangelise, i believe that the user should make choices based on his experiences Jul 15 08:54:10 :P Jul 15 08:55:20 meego is currently a work in progress Jul 15 08:55:38 stskeeps: yes, but with all the distros out there I don't have the time to experience them all... so I rely on those who already use them to give me some information... Jul 15 08:56:21 sheesh ... you guys have never been in Marketing... nicofs : MeeGo is the best thing since sliced bread. It will give you larger pectorals and boots faster than you can swallow an oyster! Jul 15 08:56:33 what on earth is a pectoral Jul 15 08:56:46 Stskeeps: I know you don't know ;) Jul 15 08:57:03 Hey all, Jul 15 08:57:50 lbt: can I get it with a different interface? the current one doesn't even have a button to shut down... Jul 15 08:58:05 Is there any news on getting the meego x windows environment running in handset builds? Or are we all still waiting for a uxlaunch fix? Jul 15 08:58:08 nicofs: MeeGo is so good you won't want to shut it down Jul 15 08:58:34 lbt: I think you are starting to overdo the marketing bit... Jul 15 08:58:48 ah... maybe you should listen to lpotter then ;) Jul 15 08:59:01 rdb_: uxlaunch fix is now in Trunk:Testing, next step is into trnk Jul 15 08:59:53 Awesome - any way I can track it? Jul 15 09:00:17 meego-commits@ mailing list Jul 15 09:00:36 Is the sign up on the meego site? Jul 15 09:00:37 and the release process diagram showing when stuf gets published Jul 15 09:01:09 http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-commits Jul 15 09:01:27 lbt: the thing is... with the integrated network manager, I can't even access my network... (encryption)... so far, nothing has convinced me to use meego, except for the _promise_ of a fast boot time - a thing I will find out only after having installed it over my more or less working xubuntu distro... Jul 15 09:02:26 nicofs: frankly it doesn't sound like you and MeeGo are ready for each other quite yet :) Jul 15 09:03:07 stskeeps: thanks much appreiciated! Jul 15 09:04:07 lbt: unless I can somehow get it with an X interface, I think you're right... because the way I see it, getting it to work needs a lot of command line-ing and that makes the "easy" interface somehow redundant... Jul 15 09:05:42 well.. it is a work in progress right now Jul 15 09:07:05 anyway thanks, you saved me a day of installing and failing with it... Jul 15 09:07:18 nicofs: no problem... Jul 15 09:08:51 come back in a few months Jul 15 09:09:18 Stskeeps: Do you have a link to the release process diagram you mentioned? I'm trying to get caught up with the community but I'm finding it difficult to find all these resources Jul 15 09:10:02 rdb_: http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering , http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Process Jul 15 09:20:11 hi all do u think meego will run on this: http://www.ubisurfer.com/ Jul 15 09:21:29 it doesn't say anything about graphics chipset or processor Jul 15 09:23:20 Stskeeps: it is written in the specifications page. its an ARM processor Jul 15 09:23:36 really? well, which one of them? ;) Jul 15 09:31:44 Stskeeps: How is the n8x0 project coming along? Have you managed to get an x windows environment yet? Jul 15 09:31:59 rdb_: no, much worse.. hang on Jul 15 09:32:19 Hes going to need a moment to cry about how bad it is Jul 15 09:32:25 rdb_: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=5603&postcount=49 Jul 15 09:33:23 Yeah I saw that ... has that been repeated by anyone else? I thought the x windows stuff was broken? Jul 15 09:33:42 i had a trick up my sleeve for that, but i repeated it today Jul 15 09:34:18 Any success? Jul 15 09:34:28 yeah, showed up in portrait mode of all things :P Jul 15 09:35:13 What was the fix? Maybe I could try it on my armv6 dev board while I'm waiting for uxlaunch Jul 15 09:35:37 it's a really stupid fix. do you have X-MEEGO-HS in your /etc/xdg/autostart/ (i think)? Jul 15 09:35:40 and not X-DUI Jul 15 09:36:23 rename /usr/bin/mcompositor to /usr/bin/mompositor and edit your /etc/sysconfig/uxlaunch to the same Jul 15 09:38:00 Making the changes now... Jul 15 09:38:08 Stskeeps: ..wtf :P Jul 15 09:38:15 w00t_: it's the Mom UX. Jul 15 09:38:30 kinda like clippy, but she has bigger power over you Jul 15 09:38:30 :P Jul 15 09:38:41 :P Jul 15 09:39:33 rdb_: if you're doing meego arm related work, #meego-arm is a place for you too Jul 15 09:40:28 anyone know of any distros that have 1.0 netbook available yet? Jul 15 09:40:33 I'm trying to create a handset build for a Broadcom ARM dev board Jul 15 09:40:45 :nod: Jul 15 09:40:59 Just fyi ... Jul 15 09:41:11 FunkyPenguin: say again? Jul 15 09:43:15 I don't appear to have an X-MEEGO-HS or a X-DUI in /etc/xdg/autostart Jul 15 09:43:20 :s Jul 15 09:43:26 really? in *.desktop files? Jul 15 09:43:56 Oh - I thought you meant a file .... my bad Jul 15 09:44:51 Myrtti, my question is: have any other distro (fedora/gentoo/etc) got MeeGo 1.0 available? Jul 15 09:45:02 FunkyPenguin: MeeGo is a distro of it's own Jul 15 09:45:05 i know fedora have a moblin spin, but what about meego Jul 15 09:45:35 Myrtti, ok, what about including the MeeGo UX? Jul 15 09:46:03 Okay so in /autostart i have a Jul 15 09:46:16 maybe im old fashioned, but Moblin prided itself on being 3 things, a reference platform/a UX/a distro Jul 15 09:46:34 have things changed that much with meego? Jul 15 09:46:50 conman-applet.desktop xfce4-settings-helper-autostart.desktop xfce4-tips-autostart.desktop pulseaudio.desktop Jul 15 09:47:13 none of which seem to contain references to X-MEEGO or X-DUI Jul 15 09:47:27 ok, think you must have the wrong desktop in Jul 15 09:47:43 FunkyPenguin: I wouldn't really know Jul 15 09:48:03 Ah ... a problem with my build? Jul 15 09:48:12 rdb_: what .ks did you base off? Jul 15 09:49:04 I based it off your n8x0 one then modified it ... is there somewhere I could share it with you? Jul 15 09:49:33 pastebin.com is fine Jul 15 09:49:47 What your asking is, has any of the other distros packaged the Netbook UI? Not that I know of. Jul 15 09:49:57 At least not yet. Jul 15 09:52:33 Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/EF6gp9uz Jul 15 09:52:57 yeah, definately doesn't have any handset packages in there :) Jul 15 09:53:07 sec Jul 15 09:54:40 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.0.80.10.20100711.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.0.80.10.20100711.1.ks , take this, s/armv7l/armv5tel/g, remove @Nokia N900 support and the other one Jul 15 09:54:45 better base Jul 15 09:55:09 Thanks : ) Jul 15 09:55:25 np Jul 15 09:56:36 Presumably I want to remove the Nokia proprietary repos as well? Jul 15 09:57:52 yeah Jul 15 09:57:56 but none there, i believe Jul 15 10:17:01 Termana, correct, that was exactly what I was asking - thanks Jul 15 12:08:54 so... Jul 15 12:09:05 please tell me you guys are going to ditch maemo.org altogether :) Jul 15 13:37:23 Macer: of course Jul 15 13:55:46 lbt: ping Jul 15 13:57:52 Macer: "ditch maemo.org" in what way? (In what way is MeeGo *not* ditched from it right now?) Jul 15 13:58:38 Hehehe Jul 15 13:59:03 Jaffa, they took Stskeeps. Jul 15 13:59:15 Also: Reggie and vBulletin. Jul 15 13:59:19 Quick let's go before they give him back. Jul 15 13:59:23 Oh no. He's not Rimmer. Jul 15 14:03:08 * Jaffa might play with an initial proof-of-concept of Hermes using Qt Mobility this weekend. Jul 15 14:59:51 hello Jul 15 15:01:05 i need help getting the Lenovo s10-3t touch screen (Cando) to run on MeeGo 1.0. it doesnt work out of the box because MeeGo 1.0 uses kernel 2.6.33, while kernel 2.6.35 understands the touch screen right away Jul 15 15:01:41 and if i move to a higher MeeGo build (1.0.8), that has kernel 2.6.35~rc4, i am not able to install the broadcom wifi on the same S10-3t Jul 15 15:01:48 can anyone help please? Jul 15 15:02:20 broadcom-sta works with 2.6.35 Jul 15 15:03:48 unfortunatly no, i tried that several times. wifi never worked...and there are several patches here and there (especially on ubuntu forums) but they never worked with me Jul 15 15:04:08 @ScottishDuck, have you tried this yourself? Jul 15 15:04:19 yes Jul 15 15:04:43 which meego build did you use? can you point me in the right direction please? i would really appreciate it Jul 15 15:06:32 use this http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/net-wireless/broadcom-sta/files/broadcom-sta-5.60.48.36-linux-2.6.35.patch?revision=1.1 Jul 15 15:08:50 yes i tried this patch i compiled the new driver wl.ko but when i came to insmod, i got an error Jul 15 15:09:25 error inserting wl.ko: -1 unknown symbol in module Jul 15 15:12:38 @ScottishDuck, did you get this problem before? Jul 15 15:28:13 i need help getting the Lenovo s10-3t touch screen (Cando) to run on MeeGo 1.0. it doesnt work out of the box because MeeGo 1.0 uses kernel 2.6.33, while kernel 2.6.35 understands the touch screen right away and if i move to a higher MeeGo build (1.0.8), that has kernel 2.6.35~rc4, i am not able to install the broadcom wifi on the same S10-3t can anyone help please? Jul 15 15:30:21 rradi, does the broadcom driver not compile against 2.6.35? Jul 15 15:32:59 @trip0, unfortunatly not, Jul 15 15:33:11 there is a patch that people posted on forums Jul 15 15:33:25 i used that, and was able to compile it, but it doesnt load using insmod Jul 15 15:33:36 i get an error message: nsmod: error inserting 'wl.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module Jul 15 15:33:44 hrm Jul 15 15:34:17 rradi, are you sure you compiled it against the *35 headers? Jul 15 15:35:01 hmm, i think i did Jul 15 15:35:28 how should i have done the compilation against the *35 headers? Jul 15 15:36:08 if you make clean and make when you've booted the 35 kernel, it should compile against it Jul 15 15:36:26 iirc, the wl src just uses uname -r to find the header Jul 15 15:36:36 * trip0 compiled it last night actually Jul 15 15:36:45 but i think i'm still on the 33 kernel Jul 15 15:36:57 thats what i did Jul 15 15:37:17 then i did compile against the *35 headers, thats why it compiled successfully Jul 15 15:37:32 and you did a make install? Jul 15 15:37:44 yes Jul 15 15:37:47 hmm Jul 15 15:37:50 and got a new ko file Jul 15 15:37:55 but insmod doesnt like it Jul 15 15:38:24 would you be able to give it a try? maybe there is something i am forgetting? Jul 15 15:39:52 rradi, how did you get the 35 kernel? Jul 15 15:39:55 is it in the repos? Jul 15 15:40:01 if so, i can try tonight Jul 15 15:40:27 yes Jul 15 15:40:40 that would be great, sent you a private message..can you respond there? Jul 15 15:58:00 http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/15/software-to-be-unpatentable-in-new-zealand-peter-jackson-said-t -- bit unrelated I know, but interesting Jul 15 17:50:03 What's the status of Meego on the N900? Does it support the phone function yet? Jul 15 17:50:11 heh heh heh heh Jul 15 17:50:12 no Jul 15 17:50:23 nor battery charging Jul 15 17:50:35 it does support battery charging afaik Jul 15 17:51:09 I *think* phone function isn't too far off, think I saw ameya said something about getting tests for the modem working today Jul 15 17:51:10 bummer. Is meego just waiting for some proprietary driver from nokia to make that part happen? Jul 15 17:51:52 blizzow: pop into #meego-arm and hang out there, there's some bits that are causing trouble (like wifi not working reliably with connman), perhaps they could use a hand in a few areas wrt testing and stuff Jul 15 17:51:59 Stskeeps: ^^ Jul 15 17:52:26 thanks. Jul 15 17:54:00 blizzow: we have battery charging, phone function is in progress, kernel drivers just got admitted, speech path open sourced, development happening in ofono.. Jul 15 17:54:14 battery charging, 3d chip and wifi/bt firmware is closed source Jul 15 17:58:02 * Stskeeps sends off small guide how to make a kernel package for meego Jul 15 18:01:10 Stskeeps: interesting question on the n8x0 adaptation thread you might want to look at when you've a min too Jul 15 18:06:43 w00t_: yeah, i know Jul 15 18:06:55 :-) Jul 15 18:28:40 Stskeeps: If you've got a kernel for the Joggler, how's the overall porting going? Jul 15 18:28:48 Stskeeps: anything at a testing point yet? Jul 15 18:29:04 Jaffa: had a joggler kernel for ages, now i was just re-iterating to make it proper Jul 15 18:29:26 i am technically waiting on EMGD release Jul 15 18:29:52 Stskeeps: EMGD? Jul 15 18:30:14 IEGD successor Jul 15 18:30:29 i'm still not sure if it would work for GMA500, but :P Jul 15 18:30:50 Are the various IEGD hacks which worked with Mer not viable? Jul 15 18:31:12 i tried out handset ux quite some time ago on joggler but there was a significant problem with textures Jul 15 18:31:29 and i think it was cos of the xorg version Jul 15 18:31:32 Ah Jul 15 18:31:48 it's summer, so i am trying it out Jul 15 18:37:17 :) Jul 15 18:37:30 how is EMGD compared to IEGD? Better? Jul 15 18:37:54 dunno Jul 15 18:38:50 oh sorry, i didn't read above. :) Jul 15 18:38:55 silly me Jul 15 18:38:57 :) Jul 15 18:39:02 i just hope it solves some problems Jul 15 18:39:02 :P Jul 15 18:39:32 i really like my joggler, the graphics hardware is just a bit funky in spots Jul 15 18:41:26 I have a friend who's sending me a Cisco licensed OpenFrame 7 Jul 15 18:41:32 I forget what they called it Jul 15 18:41:38 will see how it turns out. Jul 15 18:45:14 TSCHAKeee, guess how it works: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM Jul 15 18:46:07 i would know for sure if you moved it OFF the paper Jul 15 18:46:13 first guess, camera Jul 15 18:46:28 but brilliant nonetheless, very nice. Jul 15 18:47:45 TSCHAKeee, which camera? and yes it does work off the page but doesnt align correctly due to scaling etc Jul 15 18:49:12 front camera. Jul 15 18:50:18 indeedy, i should hide it more :P Jul 15 18:50:32 ;) Jul 15 18:51:10 TSCHAKeee, i keep mistaking n900 for my desktop mouse ;) Jul 15 18:51:34 heheh Jul 15 19:52:01 hi everyone! Jul 15 19:52:16 i come with a doubt about chromium in meego 1.0.1 Jul 15 19:53:09 everytime that i open a html5 web, chromium shows me an error message Jul 15 19:53:17 somebody knows about that? Jul 15 20:05:38 heh http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODQxOA Jul 15 20:05:46 ooopsie thar intlers :) Jul 15 20:36:54 hi there :) Jul 15 20:46:33 hi Jul 15 21:21:32 Jaffa: ;) Jul 15 22:21:10 copyleft: ping ... did you email me details for OBS access? Jul 15 22:41:33 Hey, what package management system does Meego use? From the gist of things it looks like it's binary compatible with Fedora. Is that right? Jul 15 22:42:26 rpm and no Jul 15 22:43:46 So if I wanted to install X-CHAT or, say, gnome-rdp, I'd have to compile it from source? Jul 15 22:44:04 if it's not in the repositories, yes Jul 15 22:44:24 hmmm, not necessarily Jul 15 22:44:38 well, packages from other distros may or may not work Jul 15 22:44:39 I've installed some rpms without recompiling Jul 15 22:44:47 right, but they may Jul 15 22:44:54 the point is that MeeGo isn't making a conscious effort to stay compatible Jul 15 22:44:59 so far, I've had pretty good luck with a few. Jul 15 22:45:18 * thiago_home needs irssi Jul 15 22:45:19 but if his question is can I install a random rpm - sure, try it. Jul 15 22:45:31 thiago_home: since when were distros cross-compatable? Jul 15 22:45:36 most of them aren't Jul 15 22:45:56 I also needed libjpeg8, but trying to install that would remove a lot of stuff, so I just copied the files Jul 15 22:46:06 ScottishDuck: some distros have a policy to stay compatible with other distros Jul 15 22:46:20 ...such as? Jul 15 22:46:25 CentOS. Jul 15 22:46:42 the Ubuntu family and Debian, CentOS and Fedora, PCLinuxOS and Mandriva Jul 15 22:46:43 CentOS' whole purpose is to stay binary compatible with RHEL. Jul 15 22:46:50 But be free. Jul 15 22:47:15 thiago_home: distro based on other distros would be compatable Jul 15 22:47:34 ScottishDuck: not really Jul 15 22:47:45 that's basically what you just stated Jul 15 22:47:48 the fact that it's based on doesn't imply it's compatible Jul 15 22:47:53 Most .deb files meant for Debian won't work on a modern Ubunt installation. Jul 15 22:48:02 Ubuntu* Jul 15 22:48:05 SuSE was based on Slackware, but it definitely wasn't compatible Jul 15 22:48:19 Mandriva was based on Red Hat but dropped compatibility too Jul 15 22:48:37 why are you contradicting yourself Jul 15 22:48:42 no, I'm not Jul 15 22:48:48 the point is that "base on" is not a guarantee Jul 15 22:48:53 you said ubuntu was compatable with debian Jul 15 22:48:58 the conscious effort to maintain the compatibility is the guarantee Jul 15 22:49:01 yes, I did Jul 15 22:49:12 and yes, Ubuntu is mostly compatible with Debian Jul 15 22:49:31 but the reason for that is the conscious effort to stay compatible, not simply because it's based on Debian Jul 15 22:49:33 Well, I saw on Meego's wiki that it recommended installing a . rpm meant for Fedora to install Dropbox, so I was curious if it was, in practice, largely binary compatible with Fedora. Jul 15 22:49:58 Lycus: currently, in practice, it is largely compatible Jul 15 22:50:09 but since there's no official policy to stay, it may drift in the future Jul 15 22:50:11 I've installed several rpm files without any issues - many will work, some will not Jul 15 22:50:16 for security, it's actually the best practice to be binary incompatible with other distros Jul 15 22:52:13 also just for general bug squashing Jul 15 22:53:17 thiago_home, would it drift as far as hosting a deb inside an rpm wrapper :P Jul 15 23:22:04 ScottishDuck: security? you can always use a static bin or just ship the libraries you need Jul 15 23:22:36 ubuntu starts with imports from debian unstable or something like that Jul 15 23:22:55 "starts with" Jul 15 23:23:47