**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 21 02:59:57 2010 Jul 21 06:24:15 I cloned meego-panel-people repo from http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-netbook-ux and made a few changes. How do I now build an rpm package out of it? Do I have to do it from scratch? There must be a simpler method to do it no? Jul 21 06:29:23 ok got it Jul 21 07:02:15 dl9pf_: ping Jul 21 07:29:57 { Jul 21 07:32:19 morning fellow meego users Jul 21 07:32:32 morning amjad Jul 21 07:41:21 morning all Jul 21 07:42:29 morning slaine Jul 21 07:42:50 morn slaine Jul 21 08:36:38 Morning everyone Jul 21 08:56:21 how is qt wrt related to nokia wrt? :P (i'm wondering what WRT goes into meego now..) Jul 21 08:58:27 moin Jul 21 08:58:35 moin Myrtti Jul 21 08:58:53 fabo: pong Jul 21 09:30:23 Hi, everybody. could anyone tell me where can i get help about meego-handset-photo Jul 21 09:37:35 Oh, god, please help this beginner of Qt, he is really depressed. Jul 21 09:40:02 well, define help Jul 21 09:40:07 lo wazd Jul 21 09:49:20 senwell_wu: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/ then eg: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.6/index.html and http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.6/how-to-learn-qt.html Jul 21 09:51:45 thank you very very much! Jul 21 09:56:06 I am trying to read the source code of meego-handset-photo Jul 21 09:56:26 what is QtTracker? Jul 21 09:57:27 a library Jul 21 09:57:28 hold on Jul 21 09:58:50 * w00t_ wonders where the meego version of it is Jul 21 10:01:10 http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/libqttracker - there's probably a meego version somewhere but I can't find it right now Jul 21 10:16:16 need some advice please chaps & chapesses Jul 21 10:16:53 if i try and log into MeeGo, what would cause the MeeGo panel to fail to load and drop me to a GNOME style panel? Jul 21 10:42:55 Hi guys, thanks for your great help! I am moving on... Jul 21 11:22:27 hello! somebody knoews if i can install suse meego on my netbook? Jul 21 11:23:58 is there somebody? Jul 21 11:24:13 there's a suse meego now? Jul 21 11:25:05 url? Jul 21 11:26:04 Stskeeps: yes i saw it on youtube... novell showed it and i know people that installed it but i don't know how they did ... Jul 21 11:26:13 dunno either Jul 21 11:26:19 and saint google tells me nothing :( Jul 21 11:28:01 Stskeeps: the thing is that i love meego, but i have lots of problems paying all my mp3 stuff... skype, dropbox, openoffice don't work on the official one that's the reason i'm very interested on the suse version Jul 21 11:28:30 eeemeego: can imagine Jul 21 11:28:51 have you been able to make all that stuff work? Jul 21 11:28:59 i don't use the netbook parrt Jul 21 11:29:09 ahhh ok Jul 21 11:29:19 FunkyPenguin: customers Jul 21 11:29:21 ;) Jul 21 11:29:39 but i imagine there's lots of people having the same problem as me... :S Jul 21 11:29:48 but nobody tells anything Jul 21 11:30:33 eeemeego: chrome (the browser) on meego plays mp3s, though not very conveniently; the free (as in beer) Fluendo codecs for mp3 used to work, too (haven't tried them recently) Jul 21 11:30:53 eeemeego: FunkyPenguin: knows Jul 21 11:31:59 so are you using this distro? Jul 21 11:32:49 there's a project in the opensuse buildservice for that - i don't know if the cd's are already built Jul 21 11:33:51 probably try this (no guarantee) http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Meego:/Netbook/images/iso/ Jul 21 11:34:25 i have found that page... but the livecd doesn't work ... http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Meego:/Netbook/images/iso/ Jul 21 11:34:56 ok, thats all i know atm. FunkyPenguin might know more. Jul 21 11:36:25 but he doesn't respond :S Jul 21 11:37:13 he'll show up later ... Jul 21 11:39:14 dl9pf_: so let me ask you something... if you had download this version (the one of the site you gave to me...) how would you do to burn it on a pendrive? Jul 21 11:39:28 eeemeego, sorry i was afk :) Jul 21 11:40:11 eeemeego, atm it doesnt work properly :( im almost there, just need to fix a gconf issue and work out why the panel doesnt load anymore Jul 21 11:40:47 FunkyPenguin: so are you developping it? Jul 21 11:40:48 dl9pf_, customers? my issue is either code or packaging issue Jul 21 11:41:26 FunkyPenguin: kidding Jul 21 11:41:36 eeemeego, im certainly packaging it - not doing much development though as im crap at any code :) Jul 21 11:42:49 FunkyPenguin: ainsss so can y give you my email adress in order to know when i am being able to install it... i can't wait ... and as i said... the official meego don't works as i expected ... Jul 21 11:42:59 *can i give.. Jul 21 11:43:38 sorry for my english :S i've been longtime without practicing it lol Jul 21 11:43:39 eeemeego, you can, but if you want to keep an eye on planet.opensuse.org it will be announced there :) Jul 21 11:46:14 FunkyPenguin: and do you thing it gonna be in longtime? Jul 21 11:46:37 eeemeego, i hope not - i was hoping to have it out yesterday Jul 21 11:47:31 things might be a little delayed due to oscon & guadec but im hoping not Jul 21 11:54:47 FunkyPenguin: ok so ill give you my email adrees on a private if you don't mind... cause im very very interested... can i? Jul 21 11:58:55 anyone know what is wrong with my configure line for libsocialweb please? http://pastie.org/1053532 Jul 21 11:59:26 for some reason im only getting digg and last.fm showing up Jul 21 11:59:36 i have the keys added into libsocialweb-keys Jul 21 13:25:16 lbt: I wanted to talk about the community OBS if you have a min Jul 21 13:25:31 wamills: sure Jul 21 13:29:25 I don't think I am the user profile you are look at for beta testers as I only have a little OBS use. I have setup a home project at OpenSUSE's instance and built a rpm based and .deb based package Jul 21 13:30:32 fair enough... Jul 21 13:30:35 However if your game I would like to try the community OBS. I was thinking I would start with creating a package for MLO the low level bootloader for beagleboard Jul 21 13:32:20 Are home projects support? Jul 21 13:32:46 yes Jul 21 13:34:25 Do you think this is a doable experiment for my skill level? Jul 21 13:34:29 hi, is there any working meego 1.1 image for n900? Jul 21 13:34:46 i created it with the moblin-image-creator, but it doesn't work Jul 21 13:35:09 waiting for root device /dev/mmcblk0p1... and it reboots :P Jul 21 13:35:52 wamills: sure... I msg'ed you Jul 21 13:37:55 drizztbsd: put your back cover on Jul 21 13:38:04 Stskeeps: done Jul 21 13:38:04 wamills: dbus is hosed in trunk atm though Jul 21 13:38:08 err Jul 21 13:38:09 drizztbsd: Jul 21 13:38:28 ah ok, i will waiting Jul 21 13:39:43 Stskeeps: Thanks. Should not effect this effort as MLO only needs the compilation tools Jul 21 13:41:11 yeah, was for drizztbsd :) Jul 21 13:41:32 the reason why it's hosed is cos of a armv7 optimization bug in armv5, so it might affect MLO build ;) Jul 21 13:41:38 er, in gcc Jul 21 13:44:38 does anyone know how MeeGo is packaging python eggs? Jul 21 13:49:23 spectacle and setup.py maybe? Jul 21 13:49:32 there's a Builder: python thing Jul 21 13:51:17 spectable ? Jul 21 13:51:20 spectacle ? Jul 21 13:52:14 it's a nice tool that, once you discover the secret to actually using it, builds spec files for you Jul 21 13:52:18 :P Jul 21 13:52:54 ah ... as from what i see there is already something building spec file for you on the community obs Jul 21 13:53:02 https://build.obs.maemo.org/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=khteditor&project=home%3Akhertan%3AKhtEditor&repository=MeeGo_current Jul 21 13:53:08 but now i read logs :) Jul 21 13:53:36 error: line 10: Unknown tag: %py_requires Jul 21 13:53:48 python is present from what i see (2.6) Jul 21 13:55:40 ok i think this happen because i didn't have any require in my setup.py Jul 21 14:00:56 things seems missing Jul 21 14:00:57 https://build.obs.maemo.org/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=khteditor&project=home%3Akhertan%3AKhtEditor&repository=MeeGo_current Jul 21 15:43:37 wb dawn Jul 21 15:43:58 hey stskeeps Jul 21 15:44:41 good morning DawnFoster Jul 21 15:45:01 hi termana Jul 21 15:45:44 i'll be dropping on / offline all day today (at OSCON on flaky connections) Jul 21 15:45:57 ah, have fun :) Jul 21 15:46:04 i will! Jul 21 15:46:17 Dirk is giving a keynote on meego in about an hour Jul 21 16:10:30 whats the big news for N900? Jul 21 16:10:55 erm, how would we know Jul 21 16:10:56 ? Jul 21 16:11:00 What news Jul 21 16:11:04 Am I missing something Jul 21 16:11:25 they said big news for n900 on nokia conversations Jul 21 16:12:01 we're a open source project seperate from nokia, we don't know what it is either :) Jul 21 16:12:31 maybe meego on n900? Jul 21 16:12:35 ha? Jul 21 16:12:53 cant see anything about "big news" and "n900" on nokconv Jul 21 16:12:53 no? Jul 21 16:13:02 Maemoboi: again.. the people here don't know Jul 21 16:13:15 we're developers, not marketers Jul 21 16:13:26 link? Jul 21 16:13:27 you are probably looking for #maemo for general n900 chat anyway :) Jul 21 16:13:29 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58884 Jul 21 16:14:24 "exciting news..." Jul 21 16:14:27 hmm Jul 21 16:15:06 Now you can all buy a new phone! Jul 21 16:15:10 that will be the news Jul 21 16:15:16 :) Jul 21 16:15:45 lol Jul 21 16:15:47 indeed Jul 21 16:16:49 the arrogance of this so called community is amazing....good luck winning with Android and Apple....you're in deep shit pals Jul 21 16:18:26 arrogance? why thank you Jul 21 16:18:46 Maemoboi: I'm only seeing one arrogant twat here Jul 21 16:20:24 * trip0 wonders who it is... I haven't seen any Jul 21 16:21:26 Maemoboi: you're doing the equivialent of walking into an android channel asking about samsung android phone news Jul 21 16:22:06 and people wonder why I hate the human race Jul 21 16:22:09 eh? he came in with some n900 news and asked if it meant meego on n900 Jul 21 16:22:09 :P Jul 21 16:22:14 * lcuk shudders Jul 21 16:22:27 how is that arrogant or offtopic or anything bad? Jul 21 16:22:32 why would we know? Jul 21 16:22:37 We already have meego on n900 Jul 21 16:22:39 it's not like nokia tells us anything Jul 21 16:22:45 :P :) Jul 21 16:22:56 and yes, we do....about as good as it's running anywhere else Jul 21 16:22:59 ;) Jul 21 16:23:07 Maemoboi, i dunno what extra they may be talking of, but mypaint is awesome! Jul 21 16:23:41 It's already leaked that it's (probably) a firmware update Jul 21 16:23:51 or at least software of some kind Jul 21 16:23:53 in july? fat chance Jul 21 16:23:54 * TSCHAKeee says this knowing that somewhere buried in the bowels of a company, someone is differentiating the handset UX :P Jul 21 16:24:00 CHEESECAKE Jul 21 16:24:23 activity on the bug tracker doesn't...really...suggest it would be a firmware update Jul 21 16:24:26 http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/8110/screenshot00.png Jul 21 16:24:26 if it were, it'd be a teeny one Jul 21 16:24:37 http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/9017/screenshot02aw.png Jul 21 16:24:49 what does all this have to do with MeeGo? Jul 21 16:25:09 nothing Jul 21 16:25:16 so it's a Mer... update? ;) Jul 21 16:25:19 (KIDDING) Jul 21 16:25:20 oh look, it's a PLANE!? Jul 21 16:25:48 TSCHAKeee: 0.18 is ALIVE Jul 21 16:25:49 :P Jul 21 16:26:02 haaa Jul 21 16:26:19 to all the smartasses out there let me ask you a simple question: isnt meego part of nokia???? isnt N900 part of nokia???? Why would you pals think asking about meeo on n900 is stupid??? Jul 21 16:26:27 Mer 0.18 (Code Name: Dawn of the Dead) Jul 21 16:26:32 Maemoboi: no, it is not part of nokia Jul 21 16:26:43 meego is officially a linux foundation project where intel, nokia etc are contributors like any other. Jul 21 16:27:05 * lcuk facepalms Jul 21 16:27:06 i know what the news is Jul 21 16:27:07 Maemoboi: there exists a port of meego for n900, under development, but it exists Jul 21 16:27:15 Maemoboi: the MeeGo port to the N900 is a community led effort, for the most part, Jul 21 16:27:16 nokia will renew their bugs.maemo ssl cert Jul 21 16:27:36 :P Jul 21 16:27:36 maybe nokia will look at bugs.maemo Jul 21 16:27:40 haha Jul 21 16:27:42 that would be a big one Jul 21 16:27:55 hahhaha Jul 21 16:28:37 Maemoboi, nobody said it was "stupid" they just said you may have better results asking the same question in #maemo Jul 21 16:28:46 since it's more n900 focussed Jul 21 16:29:05 get off your high horses pals... you got some catching up to do,,, i wouldnt concentrate on bashing people that come to you in good faith Jul 21 16:29:17 haha oh wow Jul 21 16:29:36 hmm Jul 21 16:29:42 I think he's trolling Jul 21 16:29:45 Maemoboi: i said 'how would we know', we're not at all involved with nokia marketing :) Jul 21 16:29:56 (except over some beers once in a while) Jul 21 16:29:56 Don't feed the troll Jul 21 16:30:18 Question ... someone know if there is any third party repository on Meego Jul 21 16:30:19 ? Jul 21 16:30:27 troll???? Jul 21 16:30:28 Khertan: that's what the community OBS should facilitate Jul 21 16:30:28 at least one with pyqt4 binding ? Jul 21 16:30:37 Maemoboi, your question was valid. but we just don't know the answer. Jul 21 16:30:45 Stskeeps, yes i know, i mean right now ... Jul 21 16:30:46 :) Jul 21 16:31:01 Khertan: there's so many things in meego there's not 'right now' :P Jul 21 16:31:12 trip0: ok...thank you Jul 21 16:31:13 let me check what's there Jul 21 16:31:36 Stskeeps, yep ... but i didn't know if it here or not ... so i just ask, didn't request :) Jul 21 16:31:58 Khertan: i'm looking around for it Jul 21 16:32:13 (the purpose is to test KhtEditor on a meego netbook) Jul 21 16:32:16 thx Stskeeps Jul 21 16:32:55 Khertan: i think best thing to do is get it packaged and ask to have it included somehow Jul 21 16:33:09 Maemoboi, have you installed mypaint? Jul 21 16:33:24 lcuk: no, not much of a painter Jul 21 16:33:37 me neither lol Jul 21 16:33:37 but why would that be big news? Jul 21 16:33:59 just curious since you linked to that article Jul 21 16:34:12 why is that ip address familiar Jul 21 16:34:29 whats the big news for N900 Jul 21 16:34:34 Myrtti: ah, nice catch Jul 21 16:34:46 Stskeeps: np Jul 21 16:34:52 Brampton dude again Jul 21 16:35:25 Maemoboi: we don't know, go ask in the relevant forum threads or where it got suggested (conversations.nokia.com) :) Jul 21 16:36:06 Myrtti, which Jul 21 16:39:15 i think best thing to do is get it packaged <<< the hard thing :) Jul 21 16:39:58 Stskeeps, i think best thing to do is get it packaged <<< the hard thing :) Jul 21 16:40:39 i was banned from #maemo because i expressed my opinion and the fanboys got their knickers wet Jul 21 16:41:16 no, you got banned because of persistent trolling, changing identities and ban evasion. you have a new chance here, don't screw it up. Jul 21 16:42:21 Stskeeps: how do you know? did you ban me? Jul 21 16:43:01 seems so, after agreement with other operators Jul 21 16:43:52 that's not nice Jul 21 16:44:05 Maemoboy: You can ask #ps3 when Halo Reach is out Jul 21 16:44:07 probably not, but so it goes Jul 21 16:45:08 Stskeeps is not to be trifled with Jul 21 16:46:08 and calling people arrogant isn't nice either ;) Jul 21 16:47:19 Maemoboi: this is a different setting however, so, please behave and feel free to read more about MeeGo at www.meego.com Jul 21 16:47:45 http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/07/21/fcam-unleashed-for-the-nokia-n900/ Jul 21 16:47:54 that's it? Jul 21 16:47:57 dunno Jul 21 16:48:07 but it is on conversations and it is for the N900 Jul 21 16:48:55 and it's even exciting.. in a geeky way... but certainly not going the cause for an all-out party Jul 21 16:49:03 achipa, X-Fade was talking about it a bit this morning, looks cool and am gonna test it later when i get phone unpacked Jul 21 16:50:36 achipa: fcam is interesting, but they should have contacted the driver developers before releasing something based on a deprecated driver API :-( Jul 21 16:56:44 here it is peeps: fucken disappointment http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/07/21/fcam-unleashed-for-the-nokia-n900/ Jul 21 16:58:34 I suppose that's a measure of what exactly you were expecting Jul 21 16:59:10 Maemoboi: why the abusive language? Jul 21 17:06:00 whut? Jul 21 17:13:55 just wondering... Jul 21 17:14:14 evening, thiago_home :-) Jul 21 18:03:49 may I ask a question? Jul 21 18:03:57 always Jul 21 18:04:16 with meego still so far away what are you guys discussing here? Jul 21 18:04:33 getting meego there? we develop it and participate in the community around it? Jul 21 18:05:03 when will devices show up on the market? Jul 21 18:05:16 whenever someone takes it, makes it into a end-user ready product and ships it Jul 21 18:05:31 meaning Nokia right? Jul 21 18:05:48 remember, this is the meego open source project, there will be companies shipping things based on MeeGo, such as nokia, SuSE, acer, linpus, .. etc Jul 21 18:06:05 i see Jul 21 18:06:12 we don't have anything directly to do with what nokia would ship on any device, except than providing the platform Jul 21 18:06:54 so when will you guys make meego available for N900? or is that somebody else? Jul 21 18:07:07 Maemoboi: it is already available, but it is very in progress Jul 21 18:07:24 yes....very limited and bare bones Jul 21 18:07:34 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtQsOb6mO0A Jul 21 18:07:43 ok Jul 21 18:07:50 it is kinda meant to be, because the interesting things is what vendors take and put on top Jul 21 18:08:05 kind of like android in that Jul 21 18:08:15 like nokia would add ovi maps, flash player, etc and have that for their devices Jul 21 18:08:23 right Jul 21 18:08:51 so you guys here are not Nokia's employees or agents? Jul 21 18:09:01 maybe a few are, most aren't Jul 21 18:09:10 and Meego is I think Intel's brainchild anyway Jul 21 18:09:13 some might be nokia employees, some might be intel guys, some might be people interested, some might be other companies working with meego.. Jul 21 18:09:23 i see Jul 21 18:09:38 so then.... Jul 21 18:09:46 oh dropbox for n900 Jul 21 18:09:49 oups ww Jul 21 18:09:55 so then I want Dell Streak in Poland. ;) Jul 21 18:09:55 what is the next big step or milestone for meego? Jul 21 18:10:04 Maemoboi: meego 1.1, october Jul 21 18:10:07 Maemoboi: I suppose "working on cellphones" Jul 21 18:10:12 heh Jul 21 18:10:13 ok Jul 21 18:10:40 Maemoboi: requirements/features can be seen on bugs.maemo.org (search for FEA, not complete yet) and exact release plans on wiki.meego.com, release engineering's plans Jul 21 18:10:49 it's a public project, or well, supposed to be Jul 21 18:10:54 as boring as that can be at times :) Jul 21 18:11:06 maemo.org? Jul 21 18:11:11 I wonder why flash isn't the default though Jul 21 18:11:13 so nokia is a lot of resources into meego right? making maemo obsolote Jul 21 18:11:17 and has to be put in by vendors Jul 21 18:11:23 Maemoboi: hmmm, some Jul 21 18:11:24 GAN900: er, point Jul 21 18:11:28 Maemoboi, pretty much. Jul 21 18:11:28 Maemoboi: i mean bugs.meego.com Jul 21 18:11:32 not yet obsolete, but kind-of morphed into Meego Jul 21 18:11:40 ok Jul 21 18:11:52 Stskeeps, MeeGo leveraging something from maemo.org would be too outlandish. :) Jul 21 18:11:52 Nokia should take its linux more seriously anyway Jul 21 18:11:53 I can't say Nokia is contributing very much to meego n900 Jul 21 18:11:54 ;) Jul 21 18:12:07 ScottishDuck: uhm.. what makes you say that? Jul 21 18:12:19 They just provide drivers Jul 21 18:12:23 so why then... and i know this has nothing to do with you guys....why does nokia continue to manufacture and sell n900? Jul 21 18:12:32 Their focus is future devices with meego Jul 21 18:12:35 because it sells? that's a dumb question Jul 21 18:12:48 better ask them why they continue to manufacture and sell Symbian phones Jul 21 18:12:49 ;p Jul 21 18:13:05 i know it sells but is it not misleading customers? Jul 21 18:13:05 ScottishDuck: well, hardware adaptation wise, drivers are all we need (and QA) Jul 21 18:13:10 Maemoboi: no Jul 21 18:13:16 Maemo 5 works right now Jul 21 18:13:17 ScottishDuck: rest is platform stuff and nokia is involved there Jul 21 18:13:25 it will be possible to cleanly replace that with Meego Jul 21 18:13:33 in some soon future Jul 21 18:14:26 Maemoboi: because maemo5 isn't dead as such, fwiw Jul 21 18:14:42 On that note, do you guys think meego will be feature complete for the planned beta? (Mid-august I think) Jul 21 18:14:51 Hullo. Jul 21 18:14:54 lo silver_hook Jul 21 18:15:03 ScottishDuck: that's a good question. Jul 21 18:15:04 ScottishDuck: which features do you have in mind? "works" feature? :) Jul 21 18:15:25 I mean what most beta's mean, planned features implemented, not stable Jul 21 18:15:27 ScottishDuck: i'm personally wondering if we will be feature ready in terms of hardware adaptation by october Jul 21 18:15:46 Just read the other day that Nokia will switch to Android for its smartphones. What's the future of MeeGo then? Jul 21 18:15:46 so it turns into maintaining patches in upstream kernel and modules in frameworks Jul 21 18:16:05 silver_hook: yeah, you'll have to find a source for that because that is not what we're hearing.. Jul 21 18:16:17 silver_hook: lolno Jul 21 18:16:24 silver_hook: so i think you've been reading some misinformation :) Jul 21 18:16:42 silver_hook: FUD, that's what it is Jul 21 18:16:53 Nokia said they *won't* be using Android. Jul 21 18:17:27 nokia seems very disorganized these days....too many damn operating systems Jul 21 18:17:28 http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2010/07/20/nokias-choice-is-dead-obvious-go-android/ Jul 21 18:17:41 silver_hook: i think that's speculation Jul 21 18:17:46 Maemoboi: symbian and meego Jul 21 18:17:50 ermm.. Nokia is not moving to android Jul 21 18:18:08 Maemoboi, 3? Jul 21 18:18:09 that article is a lie lol Jul 21 18:18:11 silver_hook: going to android would actually be a step back if you look at it from a technical angle Jul 21 18:18:15 Maemoboi: yes, two. Symbian should die. Jul 21 18:18:25 Maemoboi: different systems for different phones. Jul 21 18:18:26 Stskeeps: That's why I'm wondering O_o Jul 21 18:18:36 S40, Symbian, Maemo/MeeGo Jul 21 18:18:41 S40 = Symbian Jul 21 18:18:48 No it doesn't Jul 21 18:18:50 old, but still Jul 21 18:18:53 s4 is not symbian Jul 21 18:18:53 yes it is Symbian Jul 21 18:18:54 S40 is NokiaOS. Jul 21 18:18:56 s40 Jul 21 18:18:59 No, it's not. Jul 21 18:19:09 oh it is old version of symbian Jul 21 18:19:12 whatever Jul 21 18:19:14 lol Jul 21 18:19:16 it should die too Jul 21 18:19:18 not anold version Jul 21 18:19:20 I'd rather see a MeeGo phone in my hands which I can use without having to jailbreak it (yes, you have to jailbreak Android as well :P) Jul 21 18:19:33 silver_hook: no, you don't have to jailbreak, haha Jul 21 18:19:38 you have to sign the app with the devel key Jul 21 18:19:40 that's all Jul 21 18:19:49 silver_hook: you have to root it Jul 21 18:19:53 which is rarely very hard Jul 21 18:20:05 root it *if you want to replace the whole of the OS* Jul 21 18:20:06 AstralStorm, ScottishDuck: Rooting it effectively jailbreaking, isn't it? Jul 21 18:20:12 nope Jul 21 18:20:14 no Jul 21 18:20:15 it's far easier Jul 21 18:20:28 In both cases the warranty's void though :P Jul 21 18:20:32 not Jul 21 18:20:34 "Rooting" MeeGo or Maemo isn't vaguely related to rooting android. Jul 21 18:20:45 rooted phone can be fixed by a reflash Jul 21 18:20:50 Rooting maemo = sudo gainroot Jul 21 18:20:53 Well, obviously 'sudo' is not the same as flashing the firmware :P Jul 21 18:20:54 so voiding warranty by this would be moronic Jul 21 18:20:56 silver_hook, no, getting root access does not void your warrantly. Jul 21 18:21:03 s/ly// Jul 21 18:21:03 GAN900 meant: silver_hook, no, getting root access does not void your warrant. Jul 21 18:21:09 Oops Jul 21 18:21:11 LOL Jul 21 18:21:17 now, jailbreak needs to disable a TPM chip Jul 21 18:21:29 GAN900: Rooting the *Android* voids the warranty. That's my point. Jul 21 18:21:32 now that damages hardware Jul 21 18:21:37 silver_hook: no. Jul 21 18:21:47 AstralStorm: Last time I checked, it does. You sure? Jul 21 18:21:54 it shouldn't touch the hardware ever at all Jul 21 18:22:00 so, it shouldn't void the warranty Jul 21 18:22:05 unlike the jailbreak Jul 21 18:22:12 series 40 has nothing to do with symbian btw Jul 21 18:22:20 Kray: whatever, it should die too Jul 21 18:22:24 heheh Jul 21 18:22:28 AstralStorm: I read the warranty ...and, yea, it *shouldn't*, but it *does* state so in it :P Jul 21 18:22:40 Yeah, it's stupid. Jul 21 18:22:43 silver_hook: I'd throw away the phone if it did Jul 21 18:22:50 AstralStorm: actually, it is excellent OS for low-end phones Jul 21 18:22:55 go petition the stupid salesman Jul 21 18:22:58 Kray: uhm... Jul 21 18:23:01 Plus Android is not nearly as open as MeeGo :] Jul 21 18:23:05 Linux is an excellent OS for low-end phones too Jul 21 18:23:12 silver_hook: oh yes it is just as open Jul 21 18:23:19 but it uses a bit exotic software Jul 21 18:23:42 Anyway, sorry. I didn't want to start a flame war. Just wanted to check some rumours that I found scarry. Jul 21 18:23:42 Android is as open as meego? Jul 21 18:23:52 trip0: yes, all the sources are available Jul 21 18:23:54 I'm now meaning someone who needs to call, send sms and want nice ringtones as target for low-end phones Jul 21 18:24:05 Kray: doable with Linux easily too Jul 21 18:24:08 AstralStorm, are the android 2.3 sources available? Jul 21 18:24:12 even trimmed down meego Jul 21 18:24:16