**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 22 02:59:56 2010 Jul 22 03:50:46 anyone has meego touch tutorial?? Jul 22 03:59:54 hi all, i installed the version meego-netbook-ia32-1.0.80.11.20100720.1 on my vitrualbox. but now 'yum' command. anyone knows how to install it? Jul 22 04:00:21 yum command not found. Jul 22 04:12:51 zypper? Jul 22 04:22:09 thanks zypper. Jul 22 04:32:14 I thought meego-netbook was based on Fedora? Jul 22 04:32:36 no, meego is it's own distro Jul 22 04:32:52 it may share some packaging and rpm format with other distros, but doesn't have an upstream Jul 22 04:40:24 hmmm Jul 22 04:40:30 interesting Jul 22 04:45:25 if any, it's more based on opensuse Jul 22 04:45:34 it's really a mix. Jul 22 06:18:53 *yawn* Jul 22 06:18:54 moin Jul 22 08:46:31 what is the root password for beagleboard/rootfs image? Jul 22 08:46:43 try meego Jul 22 08:47:07 pundiramit: or rootme. that's a common root password Jul 22 08:47:33 or moblin, if you're on an old .ks :) Jul 22 08:48:10 howdt folks Jul 22 08:48:16 oh dear, bad start Jul 22 08:49:40 morn slaine Jul 22 08:50:25 * Myrtti tries to wake up Jul 22 08:51:13 folks I tried meego/moblin/rootme Jul 22 08:51:20 it ain't working for me Jul 22 08:51:56 my .ks file has "rootpw meego" is this supposed to set the password as meego? Jul 22 08:52:02 yes Jul 22 08:52:11 pundiramit: you might need ttywhatever in /etc/securetty Jul 22 08:52:13 like ttyS2 Jul 22 08:53:33 ttyS0 and ttyS2 already in /etc/securetty Jul 22 08:53:52 hmm Jul 22 08:53:55 what console are you logging in on? Jul 22 08:53:57 i can log in as user-->meego password-->meego Jul 22 08:54:30 ttyS0 Jul 22 08:55:13 hm Jul 22 08:55:39 pundiramit: And su or sudo? Jul 22 08:57:47 su give me this "su: cannot set groups" and sudo give this "sudo: must be setuid root".. i'm googling for explanation and solution Jul 22 08:59:55 try user: root, passwd: meego Jul 22 09:00:03 then visudo to add the meego user Jul 22 09:01:25 pundiramit: sounds like a permissions issue when untarring the rootfs Jul 22 09:03:04 CosmoHill: not able to login as root with meego password Jul 22 09:03:50 hey, I am trying to build an uptodate netbook image (daily, trunk, or recent packages) is this the more appropiate kickstart file http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.0.80.6.20100616.1/netbook/images/meego-netbook-ia32/meego-netbook-ia32-1.0.80.6.20100616.1.ks ? Jul 22 09:04:16 Stskeeps: yes looks like some permission issues here. will unmount the SD card and fix it on my host system. Jul 22 09:04:22 thanks all :) Jul 22 09:35:53 coconut cookies ♥ Jul 22 09:36:22 * CosmoHill gives Myrtti a star shaped coconut cookie Jul 22 09:49:54 hello Jul 22 09:52:07 hi Jul 22 11:19:30 I wonder, would the Ovi suite work with meego? Jul 22 11:21:53 CosmoHill, only one way to find out Jul 22 11:21:58 fire up your netbook and try it Jul 22 11:22:03 morning btw \o Jul 22 11:22:06 hey Jul 22 11:22:22 so I can either spend £300 on a meego compatable netbook Jul 22 11:22:26 or £450 on a N900 Jul 22 11:24:08 i think you can get an N900 for less than that Jul 22 11:24:18 I was thinking sim free Jul 22 11:24:42 since I have no income for pay monthly contracts Jul 22 11:25:54 CosmoHill: someone pointed me to http://mobiles.co.uk (i think that was the url anyway) where they apparently have it for a low clearance price, it shouldn't be on a contract Jul 22 11:27:45 N900 for £30 / month + £80 for the phone Jul 22 11:27:51 *£70 Jul 22 11:28:18 works out at £790 Jul 22 11:29:22 is it wrong that I use "bc" over calulator.app? Jul 22 11:40:19 the SE Elm looks kinda good Jul 22 11:40:32 but without wifi the GPS is kinda useless since you can't get amps Jul 22 11:40:34 maps* Jul 22 11:40:46 (well you can but I'm not paying to go online just to use a map) Jul 22 11:58:20 hi, I am facing some issues with GDM auto login with Meego OS. "I want to use GDM to login on meego desktop. But it says permission denied on GDM login UI. I could not input password, I have modified /etc/sysconfig/desktop, I added line -> DISPLAYMANAGER="GDM" and Update /etc/inittab, replace moblin-dm with gdm, On top of that I had installed all GDM packages." Please let me know if any other setting i have to do. Jul 22 11:58:32 Thanks in advance. Jul 22 11:59:06 is it possible to get the project config from MeeGo:1.0:Core Jul 22 12:21:46 hi, I am facing some issues with GDM auto login with Meego OS. "I want to use GDM to login on meego desktop. But it says permission denied on GDM login UI. I could not input password, I have modified /etc/sysconfig/desktop, I added line -> DISPLAYMANAGER="GDM" and Update /etc/inittab, replace moblin-dm with gdm, On top of that I had installed all GDM packages." Please let me know if any other setting i have to do. Jul 22 12:22:06 Thanks in advance. Jul 22 12:23:52 you said that 20 mins ago Jul 22 12:26:46 Sanjay25, did you used to use GDM with moblin? Jul 22 12:26:54 or is this the first time you are trying to replace the DM? Jul 22 12:29:24 sivu, what do you mean the product config? Jul 22 12:29:39 yes ..i used GDM with moblin Jul 22 12:30:18 that is working fine Jul 22 12:30:20 ok sanjay - then are you just using the same instructions that used to work? and did you ever speak to people in the moblin irc channels to find out how Jul 22 12:30:59 i followed the same instructions but that is not working Jul 22 12:31:27 lcuk, i mean the project config to set up obs Jul 22 12:31:30 when i try to use automatic login .. it hangs with message logging in Jul 22 12:31:44 lcuk, the config i could get by running "osc -A https://api.meego.com meta prjconf MeeGo:1.0:Core > MeeGo.prjcon" if i had enough permissions Jul 22 12:31:52 ok sanjay do you have the url for the original moblin instructions, perhaps SOMEONE will come awake and try to guide you through Jul 22 12:32:23 i have the mail. Jul 22 12:32:51 sivu, then you will have to wait for someone who knows OBS to poke their head out of the sand Jul 22 12:33:02 guess so Jul 22 12:33:46 sivu, this for the meego netbook i gather? Jul 22 12:33:54 when i set AutomaticLoginEnable=false Jul 22 12:34:08 its says authentication failure Jul 22 12:34:34 heh, seems like lots of authentication issues and rights blocking going on around meego Jul 22 12:35:30 sanjay, but it works if you force yourself through the hardship of logging in manually? Jul 22 12:36:13 using GDM.. it is not Jul 22 12:36:47 do u used GDM on meego? Jul 22 12:45:38 hi guys Jul 22 12:45:42 sanjay, i do not use meego at this time! Jul 22 12:45:56 does anyone know how to build meego like android did? Jul 22 12:46:18 flee whilst you can Jul 22 12:46:37 CosmoHill, did you see my witchcraftery? Jul 22 12:46:50 no i didn't Jul 22 12:46:53 but I'd like to Jul 22 12:47:06 anyone know how to build a meego image? Jul 22 12:47:12 do u having idea how gdm login authentication works? Jul 22 12:47:25 Steven: you use a .ks file Jul 22 12:47:26 its awesome, theres loads of buzz from people trying to work out how its done: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM Jul 22 12:47:30 that takes the RPMS and makes an image for you Jul 22 12:48:12 sanjay, perhaps you could post to the new meego-dev ML and include the content from the original moblin mail to give people reference to how it used to work Jul 22 12:48:18 it figures out what direction you've moved the device in Jul 22 12:48:18 and then together you may find a solution Jul 22 12:48:29 and teach others that doing custom things with it is cool Jul 22 12:48:41 up is X, down and right is Y, left is Z etc Jul 22 12:48:57 i have already done Jul 22 12:49:04 CosmoHill, huh? post in the youtube video comments :p Jul 22 12:49:18 that requires a youtube account Jul 22 12:49:20 hi CosmoHill ,does this method can build image from source ? Jul 22 12:49:24 no Jul 22 12:49:38 it uses pre-build RPMs Jul 22 12:49:50 how can i build a image from source like android did Jul 22 12:50:03 CosmoHill, ahh ok - then here is good then :p Jul 22 12:50:06 im a newbie to meego:) Jul 22 12:50:14 with a fast computer and maybe a cross-compiler Jul 22 12:50:23 i posted on 2nd July..but i do not get any reply Jul 22 12:50:28 lcuk: so was my idea close? Jul 22 12:51:15 sanjay, did you say that it would login if you did it manually Jul 22 12:51:30 CosmoHill, top centre square on the video is the accelerometer view widget Jul 22 12:51:33 it is disabled Jul 22 12:51:47 ie accelerometer is not used in the making of this video Jul 22 12:52:05 no..it is not login with GDM in every case Jul 22 12:52:08 that phone has a camera right? Jul 22 12:53:06 sanjay, ok thats even worse, but more helpful to your description Jul 22 12:53:20 ah that's been suggested Jul 22 12:53:33 if you stop talking about the autologin problem, it may allow people to look more about the security thing thats at the crux of it Jul 22 12:54:14 is there any doc about how to build meego from source ? Jul 22 12:55:01 for what? Jul 22 12:55:17 lcuk: something to do with image processing with the camera? Jul 22 12:56:27 CosmoHill, you mean the lines on the paper? Jul 22 12:56:37 sort of Jul 22 12:56:46 i mean it takes two frames and compares them Jul 22 12:56:53 then figures out where the phone has moved Jul 22 12:57:27 like if one frame had my feet and legs in, and the next had my legs and hips it, it would work out that it's moved up Jul 22 13:00:47 CosmoHill, do you know any camera that can focus at ultra close range? Jul 22 13:01:03 hmm Jul 22 13:01:11 does it actually need to focus to tell it's moved? Jul 22 13:02:02 * CosmoHill goes to look 11 seconds into the video Jul 22 13:02:42 something to do with those three white LEDs? Jul 22 13:03:08 did i indicate in the comments about 11seconds /me cannot remember Jul 22 13:03:15 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58589 Jul 22 13:03:20 but yes, thats the clue Jul 22 13:03:31 ahh you are reading the proper howto ;) Jul 22 13:03:39 but since nobody posts real info on tmo ;) Jul 22 13:03:59 let most people think its magic whilst showing the maemo mob how its really done Jul 22 13:04:03 it's using a similar method to GPS satalites Jul 22 13:04:15 you need at least 3 of them to figure out where you are Jul 22 13:04:40 it does help that I'm not familar with the phone >.. Jul 22 13:04:42 >.> Jul 22 13:05:01 hi CosmoHill, can you tell me how to build a image from source Jul 22 13:05:21 you would have to set up a suitable toolchain Jul 22 13:05:28 then download and recompile the src.rpm files Jul 22 13:05:42 making suitable changes to the .spec files and other files Jul 22 13:05:51 such as those that set the CFLAGS Jul 22 13:07:41 lcuk: i think that would work well in an office enviroment as you'd likely half multiple lights above your head Jul 22 13:09:06 CosmoHill, yeah its a working on specific light source atm and would need adapting to do it in the general case Jul 22 13:09:10 (for liqmouse for instance) Jul 22 13:09:20 though, it does use the brightest only and I use it in daytime Jul 22 13:15:26 CosmoHill, there was a mega thread about it on 4chan yesterday, loads of iphone users were left a bit sore because N900 did something their precious phone couldnt :D Jul 22 13:15:30 was amusing to see Jul 22 13:15:50 DawnFoster: suggestion re questions not getting answered.. a 'unanswered threads' button Jul 22 13:16:13 like, showing one-post threads Jul 22 13:17:27 that just moves the problem, could just try engaging and liaising with people even if the answer is not known - point to potential solutions etc Jul 22 13:17:36 yay Jul 22 13:18:13 (for the annoyed iphone answers) Jul 22 13:18:20 s/answers/users/ Jul 22 13:18:20 CosmoHill meant: (for the annoyed iphone users) Jul 22 13:30:02 anyone know what the ntp.drift file is in? Is it seconds? Jul 22 13:30:19 revolutions of a fast hamster in a wheel Jul 22 13:31:35 to figure out how bad my drift is, would anyone mind catting their drift file? Jul 22 13:36:03 <_Pete_> CosmoHill: where's that located? Jul 22 13:36:16 /var/cache/ntp.drift on my system Jul 22 13:38:30 <_Pete_> none found on bubuntu with openntpd running Jul 22 13:38:51 maybe look in /etc/ntp.conf Jul 22 13:38:57 should tell you the location Jul 22 13:39:40 <_Pete_> not there either Jul 22 13:39:48 hmm Jul 22 13:39:57 I take a long time to do stuff to my server Jul 22 13:40:00 like ntp and fail2ban Jul 22 13:42:07 now I'm safe from script kiddies and my screwed hardware clock :D Jul 22 13:43:58 nate@blue[1005]:~ $ cat /var/cache/ntp.drift Jul 22 13:43:58 124.053 Jul 22 15:07:30 What is the easiest way to buidl a custom kernel for Meego netbook? I need to add oprofile support in it. Jul 22 15:18:53 * slonopotamus fails to understand what was wrong with "UI" term so that "UX" was invented Jul 22 15:43:44 slonopotamus: You have to be in marketing to understand the difference :P Jul 22 15:44:33 tybollt: i read that as "that was done for no valid reason" :) Jul 22 15:45:32 slonopotamus, UI only covers the UI, UX covers everything, from the UI to the included apps etc. Jul 22 15:46:02 (the full user experience rather than just the UI user experience) Jul 22 15:46:31 Termana: Hi marketing. Jul 22 15:47:05 tybollt, :P maybe I should minor in marketing for the degree I'm taking? :P Jul 22 15:50:11 Anyway, isn't this actually defined on the MeeGo site somewhere? It should be if it isn't Jul 22 15:50:41 Termana: :-) Jul 22 16:00:18 anyone have good MeeGo twitter handles worth following? Jul 22 16:24:09 wamills: meego is usually fine :) Jul 22 16:24:50 we'll move to the meego.com sso for pw mgmt Jul 22 16:26:48 wamills: so here... Jul 22 16:27:20 so... you're right... downloads is up... I thought I was tunnelling to it Jul 22 16:27:33 that's good Jul 22 16:27:44 lbt: so is there or will there be a way for users to change thier own passwords on obs.maemo.org? Jul 22 16:27:52 yes... we'll move to the meego.com sso for pw mgmt Jul 22 16:28:26 Will that be @ 1st open or later? Jul 22 16:28:36 probably later Jul 22 16:28:54 what is the eta for public access? Jul 22 16:29:17 couple of weeks - depends when we get ACL setup Jul 22 16:29:43 we're on bleeding edge code for that Jul 22 16:30:27 does http://api.obs.maemo.org/ give you a passwd change option Jul 22 16:30:35 OK. Is there part of my experience that should be documented. Aside from the DNS and stuff that is not open yet, it all went OK Jul 22 16:30:37 I'm in as an admin so I'm not sure Jul 22 16:31:35 You mean as a web page not as an API call right? Jul 22 16:32:02 I can't check right now as I am @ work again. Jul 22 16:32:30 I lied. DNS is working now. Jul 22 16:36:06 OK api.obs. as a web page gives me: a pic of a lizzard, a link to the API docs (on your server, works), and a footer ...A link to "Build Service Web Client" Jul 22 16:36:37 footer: link to Build Service Web Client (goes to build.opensuse.org not your server) Jul 22 16:36:59 Api Startpage (link to page already on) Jul 22 16:37:13 OpenSUSE home and my loggin id Jul 22 16:38:05 (my login id is not a link) Jul 22 16:41:36 DNS is working for build. and api. not for repo. nor downloads. Jul 22 16:44:59 X-Fade: ^^^ DNS needed for downloads ... Jul 22 16:49:49 API does not seem to allow passwd change either. https://api.opensuse.org/apidocs/user.xsd Jul 22 16:50:42 BTW: the API docs on your server only work to the first level. All the schema and example links don't work. Jul 22 16:55:50 wamills: good catch Jul 22 16:57:00 kudos to nokia for their map and drive thingy Jul 22 16:57:14 ? Jul 22 16:57:16 I just used it to go to the airport and back and it's pretty good Jul 22 16:57:22 Ah Jul 22 16:57:49 It desperately needs voice instructions though, CosmoHill Jul 22 16:57:56 and if it has them, I couldn't find it Jul 22 16:57:59 reroutes quickly which is good cos I ignored the directores a few time Jul 22 16:58:13 Yeah the performance is nice Jul 22 16:58:16 ScottishDuck: I installed the woman before I left via the Ovi Suite Jul 22 16:58:18 GPS is accurate too Jul 22 16:58:33 CosmoHill: you can only do that with Ovi suite? Jul 22 16:58:37 ._. Jul 22 16:58:42 i think so Jul 22 16:59:12 it's annoying when it goes "exit now" when you're doing 40mph Jul 22 16:59:41 one day I'd like a GPS that doesn't tell you how to get out of your own town Jul 22 17:00:59 at one point we did get confused and I swerved a bit as we worked out what lane it meant :/ Jul 22 17:02:16 ScottishDuck: the drive and walk thing only works on my phone for 90 days Jul 22 17:02:31 then you need to buy it i think cos they haven't made it free for my model Jul 22 17:03:06 I would say the Ovi maps is defently a selling point if you don't have a data plan / signal Jul 22 17:03:43 I think maps is free on my n900 Jul 22 17:03:53 or at least there is no indication that it's a trial Jul 22 17:03:53 the maps are all free Jul 22 17:04:03 the voice is a trial? Jul 22 17:04:09 but the drive navigation bit costs money Jul 22 17:04:20 mine seemed to be free... Jul 22 17:04:21 hmm Jul 22 17:04:24 i'll check Jul 22 17:04:38 i hope I didn't leave it in the car Jul 22 17:05:30 there's a navigation app for meego? Jul 22 17:05:32 bollocks, it's in the car Jul 22 17:05:50 (the car not presently here) Jul 22 17:05:56 Myrtti: i think navit is in ivi actually Jul 22 17:07:39 You can use maps Jul 22 17:07:44 as navigation Jul 22 17:08:14 I normally look up my route online and print it off before I leave Jul 22 17:08:23 I also trace the route I'd drive online too Jul 22 17:08:34 CosmoHill, I used to stand up to change channels on my tv too back in the day ;) Jul 22 17:08:51 I used to grab the TV remote and poke the TV Jul 22 17:09:00 hehe Jul 22 17:10:03 well, there are a few of devs who have high interest in making navigation awesome on meego, so we shall see what we can do. Jul 22 17:10:23 get sygic on board :P Jul 22 17:10:39 the Qt-mobility APIs for mapping and routing are quite nice Jul 22 17:11:03 Stskeeps, i've used sygic on my n900 and while it's good, it's not the level of awesome I'd like Jul 22 17:11:52 especially when it wants to route me the "long way" to certain destinations (even suggesting I take a ferry unnecessarily) Jul 22 17:12:07 when it gives me insane suggestions, i just ask for alternative route :P Jul 22 17:13:11 triplezero: my phone wanted me to go around town instead of through it Jul 22 17:13:22 keeping in mind I live in that town and know the fastest route out Jul 22 17:13:45 or what you perceive as the fastest Jul 22 17:14:23 driving home it went "take the first exit" Jul 22 17:14:37 lbt: what distro and arch are these OBS servers? Did you follow this procedure: http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Sysadmin_Distro/OBS_setup_openSUSE112 Jul 22 17:14:45 I drove past the "Road Closed" sign and took the second exit, it recaluated quickly Jul 22 17:17:24 wamills: http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service Jul 22 17:20:43 hi stskeeps, I've come out to say hello Jul 22 17:21:11 vgrade: hello ;) Jul 22 17:21:34 better to be in the open :) Jul 22 17:22:20 * arjan waits for google maps working well on his n900 Jul 22 17:22:26 never got anythign else to work Jul 22 17:22:36 g-maps does do location, but it's a rather annoying web app Jul 22 17:22:55 maep's fairly nice but doesn't do routing Jul 22 17:24:13 do what my wife does :) Jul 22 17:24:29 ..... ask her husband Jul 22 17:24:43 'if you use ovi maps, we'll end up dead' as an added comment? Jul 22 17:24:51 heh Jul 22 17:25:45 vodafone are opening up the source of the n810 map app so i hear Jul 22 17:26:01 ooo Jul 22 17:26:27 its good to know its having corporate discussions at least - it may mean that we can at least get the ones with expired licenses working Jul 22 17:26:32 though i never minded paying Jul 22 17:26:48 arjan: doesn't google maps require mobile internet? Jul 22 17:27:13 any n900 agps usually does anyway Jul 22 17:27:14 :P Jul 22 17:27:15 cos my dad has it on his SE W990 Jul 22 17:27:17 and when you need maps most : when in another country Jul 22 17:27:41 lcuk: I've heard the maemo client will not be opened Jul 22 17:27:57 I don't have any data plan on my phone cos it's stupid Jul 22 17:28:07 £10 a week to allow me to use things that I use anyway Jul 22 17:28:35 TomaszD, :( Jul 22 17:28:43 i see data plans as a way to avoid spending too much money Jul 22 17:28:44 :P Jul 22 17:28:45 we need to do something Jul 22 17:29:06 CosmoHill, i am with O2, and I have a £15 a month bolton Jul 22 17:29:13 it gives all internet and SMS I need Jul 22 17:29:22 and my calls are catered for with the £15 itself Jul 22 17:29:24 Ovi maps is good for me cos I don't always have a 3G connection and I don't have a contract Jul 22 17:29:41 I can get 25MB for 50p a day Jul 22 17:30:51 when our ISP cocked up I spent about £10 of credit phoning them so they could do there bullshit tests on the phone line and going on IRC Jul 22 17:31:08 on a side not, it takes 10 hours to drain the battery on a S K800i Jul 22 17:31:11 *SE Jul 22 17:31:17 *note Jul 22 17:31:29 Hi. Somebody had problems booting MeeGo on BeagleBoard following the Wiki steps? After boot from MMC the system stop on i2c ready - http://pastebim.com/gu3hq2Ut Jul 22 17:31:46 maluta: what instructions? Jul 22 17:32:15 sorry for previous url http://pastebin.com/gu3hq2Ut Jul 22 17:32:16 old u-boot binary probibly Jul 22 17:32:51 Stskeeps: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_the_Beagle Jul 22 17:34:02 Stskeeps: This page is better, http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Beagleboard_from_scratch Jul 22 17:34:13 -> maluta Jul 22 17:35:20 wamills: Ok. I'll take a look Jul 22 17:36:23 You will need to go to eLinux.org to find references to setup the basics of SD Card MLO, u-boot, and boot.scr Jul 22 17:36:42 Stskeeps: so do you have a working image of meego for the joggler with phone ux? Jul 22 17:36:42 Links are in the "from scratch" page Jul 22 17:37:03 TomaszD: first when EMGD is released i will know if it works or not Jul 22 17:38:15 wamills: yes. I know that process. I asked because I used a pre-compiled image, so I maybe that was misconfigured Jul 22 17:39:27 wamills: anyway, I'll follow the steps from the link that you sent Jul 22 17:42:47 TomaszD, I'm also waiting for EMGD for a Joggler netbook big reveal Jul 22 17:43:08 shouldn't be too long now Jul 22 17:43:14 afaik Jul 22 17:43:22 what do you know? Jul 22 17:43:33 ...nothing :P Jul 22 17:44:46 I don't care too much anyway, as my joggler is broken and on its way back to lbt Jul 22 17:45:59 netbook UX on Joggler (GMA500) would be a big deal for a lot of first gen netbook owners Jul 22 17:46:46 yes it would be Jul 22 17:47:15 vgrade: EMGD works on netbooks? that's news Jul 22 17:48:09 we won't know until its releasd Jul 22 17:49:03 it's not designed for it Jul 22 17:49:19 it's target is embedded devices in specific configurations Jul 22 17:49:27 and historically IEGD never really supported the UX Jul 22 17:49:42 then again, iegd was a xorg driver like any other Jul 22 17:49:45 (and is not designed to; it's for a very different customer base/OS stack) Jul 22 17:50:05 (with a slightly worse libGL) Jul 22 17:51:25 with a bt keyboard and mouse, the joggler with the netbook ux should be a nice low power workstation Jul 22 17:51:49 TomaszD: why would you need a mouce? Jul 22 17:51:54 just poke it :) Jul 22 17:52:03 netbook ux is not for poking Jul 22 17:52:26 you'd need the phone ux (name?) for that Jul 22 17:52:41 and I don't like poking it, it gets all smudged up :P Jul 22 17:54:10 CosmoHill, treating a desktop as a regular touchscreen is awful Jul 22 17:54:17 you need gorilla arm Jul 22 17:54:39 the UX for upright touchscreens would have to be drastically different - even for simple reasons Jul 22 17:54:40 arjan: out of curiousity, what was the technical blockers for netbook ux on gma500? besides the licensing issues Jul 22 17:54:49 moving hand ALLLLL the way to the top is a ballache Jul 22 17:54:52 imgd was nearly there (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXWOjZQ8jVE) and what I've read about EMGD it may be possible Jul 22 17:54:56 might be interesting if anyone'd ever want to adopt netbook on ARM as it's a sgx deep down Jul 22 17:56:12 sorry IEGD was nearly there Jul 22 17:56:56 when will we get meego for iPad? ( ≖‿≖) Jul 22 17:57:00 > Jul 22 17:57:10 ScottishDuck: when you port it Jul 22 17:57:44 It Just Worksâ„¢ Jul 22 18:02:35 arjan, any chance you could get a copy of the beta EMGD to me Jul 22 19:38:50 FYI... http://gofedora.com/intelligentmirror-intelligent-1-0-1/ seems to be a reasonably easy solution to the lack of an apt-cacher Jul 22 20:05:29 lbt: a tool to mirror a rpm-md repo? Jul 22 20:06:13 yes... it uses squid to cache Jul 22 20:06:33 is there a good way if you wanted to track for example trunk/daily? Jul 22 20:07:14 what it does is make sure you never download the same rpm twice Jul 22 20:07:15 i'm basically pondering how we can make a proper guide to setting up your own 'meego' shop Jul 22 20:07:48 for developers who run mic a lot this is quite useful - or if you have multiple VMs Jul 22 20:08:30 on debian I used to do an "apt-get upgrade --download-only" in cron every night Jul 22 20:08:51 but what do you mean by 'shop' ? Jul 22 20:08:54 dev team? Jul 22 20:09:09 well, setting up infrastructure to work on meego for porting work, etc Jul 22 20:09:14 yes... Jul 22 20:09:46 well, that's partly why the OBS setup is so detailed Jul 22 20:10:43 :nod: Jul 22 20:33:22 so how will meego make in the market? Jul 22 20:34:16 dunno, let's see Jul 22 20:34:36 which market? Jul 22 20:37:03 the world Jul 22 20:37:56 Maemoboi: platform success is if a lot of devices adopt meego as their platform.. success of those devices is then interesting for that company Jul 22 20:38:09 when is the 1st meego device hitting the market? Jul 22 20:38:34 don't know Jul 22 20:39:43 i tried installing meego on my n900 but gave up Jul 22 20:40:02 it is mostly for developers at this stage Jul 22 20:40:14 you'll want to wait for 1.1 for something properly QA'ed and published Jul 22 20:40:31 ok Jul 22 20:40:43 will it dual boot with maemo? Jul 22 20:40:48 Stskeeps: when it will be released? Jul 22 20:41:02 drizztbsd: on a thursday Jul 22 20:41:55 drizztbsd: http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.1 Jul 22 20:43:11 Transition to GCC 4.5 OMG! Jul 22 20:43:12 so now that maemo is a dead horse will they rename talk.maemo.org? Jul 22 20:43:24 maemo.org isn't dead Jul 22 20:43:36 and talk.maemo.org continues as such Jul 22 20:43:55 still discussions to be made about maemo and harmattan devices Jul 22 20:44:17 gcc 4.5 has too many throuble atm (specially with _FORTIFY_SOURCE) :) Jul 22 20:44:34 drizztbsd: best way to solve problems is by noticing them :P Jul 22 20:44:49 I was a gentoo developer, I know how to report upstream :) Jul 22 20:45:10 hey... is there anything like gksu/gksudo/gnomesu for meego? i need to run stuff as root Jul 22 20:45:21 bbl sleep Jul 22 20:47:23 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.0.80/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/ does it work? or at least, does it boot? Jul 22 20:47:41 no, open image, needs SGX drivers to work Jul 22 20:48:08 bbl Jul 22 20:59:59 * CosmoHill gives Stskeeps and lcuk a cookie Jul 22 21:02:45 * lcuk smiles, dunks cookies in a warm glass of milk and sets about hacking \o Jul 22 21:02:58 thanks CosmoHill, i needed that Jul 22 21:03:18 I have strongbow and birthday cake Jul 22 21:03:45 birthday today? Jul 22 21:03:46 or leftovers Jul 22 21:04:11 friend's pre-birthday cake Jul 22 21:04:15 turns out he made his own cake :) Jul 22 21:04:57 the cake is a lie! Jul 22 21:08:04 mmm... cake Jul 22 21:20:26 hello everyone Jul 22 21:20:36 i have a quick question, need to solve a problem Jul 22 21:20:59 how do i set up a proxy server in MeeGo using the command line ??? Jul 22 21:28:49 hello ? Jul 22 21:30:01 rawr Jul 22 22:12:39 nite all, sweet dreams Jul 22 22:12:55 aww trem Jul 22 22:53:34 It sure is active in here. Jul 22 22:53:55 With development at this speed we'll surely beat other OSs Jul 22 22:55:01 irc activity is not proportional to development productivity Jul 22 22:55:14 ;) Jul 22 22:55:35 I know, just teasing haha Jul 22 22:56:06 I hope MeeGo gets mature enough soon. I'm giving up on Android. Jul 22 22:56:15 me too Jul 22 22:56:32 but... it'll take *some* time Jul 22 22:56:53 Android was quite immature in the beginning Jul 22 22:57:09 rumors say 3.0 is coming out this october. and the UI will be similar to the 3D gallery Jul 22 22:57:13 even the iphone's initial release could be considered Immature Jul 22 22:57:24 It better have hardware accelerated graphics Jul 22 22:57:30 yeah I still think Android is immature Jul 22 22:57:35 heh Jul 22 22:57:44 It doesn't even have a built in world clock Jul 22 22:58:01 that's lame Jul 22 22:58:06 Android 3.0 will be tegra2 hardware Jul 22 22:58:21 ScottishDuck, all android3 devices will be? Jul 22 22:58:22 tegra 2 class Jul 22 22:58:37 the one's that ship with 3.0 yes Jul 22 22:58:51 interesting... Jul 22 22:58:54 i wonder why Jul 22 22:59:00 is powerVR not powerful enough? Jul 22 22:59:00 I just want something with actual media capabilities Jul 22 22:59:18 the Galaxy S phones have a SGX540 GPU Jul 22 22:59:33 which is the first Android phone with more power than the iPhone Jul 22 22:59:51 It's all up to Android to put good use to it Jul 22 23:00:01 heh Jul 22 23:00:07 Knowing Samsung though, they'll never be updated past 2.2 Jul 22 23:00:27 xda ftw Jul 22 23:00:30 Worst company ever for software upgrades Jul 22 23:00:52 tripzero: Google are getting access to tegra2 driver sources Jul 22 23:01:03 and PowerVR are terrible at drivers Jul 22 23:01:19 are the drivers going to be open then? Jul 22 23:01:26 unlikely Jul 22 23:01:33 or is it just a "google gets to peek" type thing Jul 22 23:01:34 ? Jul 22 23:01:39 man, i really hate this whole "only a few get to peek" Jul 22 23:01:42 yeah Jul 22 23:01:47 lame Jul 22 23:01:52 boo @ nvidia Jul 22 23:01:56 it would be an improvement over PowerVR drivers though Jul 22 23:02:01 a big improvement Jul 22 23:02:04 for android, sure Jul 22 23:02:22 well, maybe the android improvements will go upstream for once? Jul 22 23:03:37 I wish Android was better supported on lower end devices Jul 22 23:03:38 haha Jul 22 23:03:58 android and upstream don't mix Jul 22 23:04:25 I've got a Samsung Moment running 2.1. 3 months after 2.1 update comes out for the phone. They release the Samsung Intercept with a lower res display Jul 22 23:04:31 and multitouch Jul 22 23:04:43 and Sprint promises 2.2 Jul 22 23:04:59 While the 8 month old Moment is already EOL Jul 22 23:08:06 get a custom rom Jul 22 23:08:07 not hard Jul 22 23:09:18 the dev community is almost non-existent Jul 22 23:09:38 sdx-developers is pretty big actually Jul 22 23:10:04 but not many have the coding skills to do anything other than fix a few bugs Jul 22 23:10:25 phone is rooted and running Froyo JIT Jul 22 23:10:46 plus the ROM I'm running has a few other optimizations Jul 22 23:15:14 Anyone know what kind of hardware will be coming out for MeeGo? Jul 22 23:19:12 arashed31, i don't think anything is publicly known at the moment Jul 22 23:22:22 Probably some Intel stuff Jul 22 23:22:28 then probably some Nokia stuff Jul 22 23:22:34 then maybe some LG stuff Jul 22 23:22:50 GAN900, in that order? Jul 22 23:22:58 whats intel hardware? Jul 22 23:23:15 * microlith hands GAN900 a magic 8-ball Jul 22 23:23:19 that's a vague question Jul 22 23:23:52 tripzero, maybe. Jul 22 23:23:59 ham5, Atom, apparently. Jul 22 23:24:05 :P Jul 22 23:24:05 microlith, got one, thanks. :P Jul 22 23:24:24 I want that dev phone Jul 22 23:24:27 tripzero, Ask Again Later. Jul 22 23:24:32 haha Jul 22 23:24:33 Intel phones? Jul 22 23:24:40 the aava? Jul 22 23:24:47 yeah Jul 22 23:25:12 heh, it does have some coolness to it Jul 22 23:25:34 Except it's Intel Jul 22 23:25:38 its very much a dev phone Jul 22 23:25:48 "Let's fix our shit idle power consumption with fast boot!" Jul 22 23:25:58 "I sent you a text message." Jul 22 23:26:09 "OK, let me just boot up my phone!" Jul 22 23:26:17 GAN900, lol. i thought mrst idled in the mW range? Jul 22 23:26:23 Sounds like an Android phone.... Jul 22 23:26:46 some manufacturers don't set up suspend mode properly Jul 22 23:26:51 tripzero: i never knew just what "dev phone" meant, until I got my GTA02 ;) Jul 22 23:27:02 haha Jul 22 23:27:05 "Does it dial?" Jul 22 23:27:11 "um.. that depends on what you mean by dial." Jul 22 23:27:12 tripzero, not mw like ARM mw. . . . Jul 22 23:27:14 :P Jul 22 23:27:47 lol what was bad about it? Jul 22 23:29:09 It's an x86 phone Jul 22 23:29:19 that's all anybody ever needs to know. Jul 22 23:29:22 well, x86 isn't bad Jul 22 23:29:28 it needs a few more revisions Jul 22 23:29:31 its the power consumption Jul 22 23:29:40 the arch is quite useful for lots of things Jul 22 23:29:40 I meant the Neo FreeRunner Jul 22 23:29:48 moorestown was the first core that could even begin to be called low power Jul 22 23:30:06 it'll get better Jul 22 23:30:14 especially when things become more SOC like Jul 22 23:30:22 tripzero, the usefulness quickly curves towards zero with open source, though. Jul 22 23:30:33 Mostly x86 is useful for running Windows. Jul 22 23:30:35 does moorestown even have an integrated memory controller? Jul 22 23:30:37 /troll Jul 22 23:30:52 tripzero, yes, that's part of what made it suck slightly less. Jul 22 23:31:26 GAN900, agreed that open source makes arch less of an issue Jul 22 23:31:29 tripzero: of course it does Jul 22 23:31:50 arjan, but gpu is still separate? Jul 22 23:31:53 nope Jul 22 23:31:58 on die? Jul 22 23:32:00 yup Jul 22 23:32:02 cool Jul 22 23:32:04 SGX :/ Jul 22 23:32:06 yup, it's all on die Jul 22 23:32:07 :( Jul 22 23:32:16 and yup.. it's SGX... Jul 22 23:32:43 PowerVR have the freaking market cornered on low power embedded 3d chips Jul 22 23:34:18 TSCHAKeee, Malil Jul 22 23:34:20 ! Jul 22 23:34:26 that'd be great Jul 22 23:34:30 I really hope they make some progress there. Jul 22 23:34:37 the mali200 isn't a bad chip Jul 22 23:34:44 Love to see TI pick it up for OMAP4. Jul 22 23:34:51 but it takes a LOT of funkiness to get it going in framebuffer Jul 22 23:34:52 PVR is trashy and evil. Jul 22 23:34:54 and forget about X Jul 22 23:34:58 Oh? Jul 22 23:35:22 yeah, a few of us got it going on the SmartQ V7, but sheezus, you have to steal a freaking BSP, Jul 22 23:35:37 hack things around to use /dev/fb0 instead of /dev/fb2 Jul 22 23:35:49 etc Jul 22 23:35:52 etc.. Jul 22 23:35:56 aren't the mali drivers closed too? Jul 22 23:36:00 lots of stuff so that we can basically...run....teapot :P Jul 22 23:36:03 yes. Jul 22 23:36:14 and in a big slap on the face they released part of it GPL Jul 22 23:36:17 microlith: that would be unlikely... they can't claim that it's "just" a port of a windows driver Jul 22 23:36:19 SmartQ V7 has Mali-200? Jul 22 23:36:21 which part, you ask? the glorified memcpy wrappers Jul 22 23:36:21 since ther eis no windows driver Jul 22 23:36:37 memcpy is hard. Jul 22 23:36:40 really hard. Jul 22 23:36:44 so lets go shopping Jul 22 23:36:45 * TSCHAKeee chuckles Jul 22 23:36:57 ahk, so moorsetown is a SOC analogous to the pinetrail atom cpu's Jul 22 23:37:01 Open source hardware would be nice Jul 22 23:37:06 I never understood why people wrap memcpy Jul 22 23:37:07 I wanna buy a Beagleboard Jul 22 23:37:10 that's the most standardized function ever Jul 22 23:37:16 and build it into a laptop or something Jul 22 23:37:18 arjan: because people are stupid Jul 22 23:37:18 As soon as the Boomers die off I think we'll see a big jump in progress. Jul 22 23:37:31 arashed31, wait until the xM comes out Jul 22 23:37:36 arjan: they could be using microsoft's four-parameter memcpy Jul 22 23:37:41 it was supposed to come out a while ago Jul 22 23:37:58 i remember that little snippet of android's memcpy diff you posted a couple months back arjan Jul 22 23:38:01 laughed my ass off Jul 22 23:38:09 optimized? yes indeedy. Jul 22 23:38:30 you can cpy any value you want Jul 22 23:38:34 so long as it's 0x0 Jul 22 23:38:40 lol Jul 22 23:38:53 oh mesa had that Jul 22 23:38:54 they had Jul 22 23:39:01 #define memset(a,b,c) bzero(a,c) Jul 22 23:39:07 hahahahaha Jul 22 23:39:07 in a global header somewhere Jul 22 23:39:11 that was funky Jul 22 23:39:34 ah that's right Jul 22 23:39:49 sorry not memcpy, memset Jul 22 23:44:59 Someone please help, I'm goin' crazy trying to get screen resolution set right :) Jul 22 23:45:20 anyone game to help a Meego n00b (but old hand at Linux)? Jul 22 23:46:59 GordonS, what have you tried so far? Jul 22 23:48:40 well... :) Jul 22 23:49:08 I ran gnome-display-properties, and discovered that does Bad Things(tm) Jul 22 23:49:20 what hardware? Jul 22 23:49:21 and then found the bugs.meego.com entry which said "don't do that" :) Jul 22 23:49:27 umm... VMware? :) Jul 22 23:49:35 yeah, yeah, I know... Jul 22 23:49:58 suffice it to say that I don't have hardware which will run it natively, and I'm doing official development ATM. Jul 22 23:50:11 did you install the VMWare post install drivers? Jul 22 23:50:34 You mean the X11 driver? The image I got had it already. Jul 22 23:50:50 one sec, version number... Jul 22 23:51:14 1.0.80.11.20100720.1 Jul 22 23:52:00 if you type xrandr -s800x600 does it work? Jul 22 23:52:33 mm, have to install it... but hold on, I've managed to *change* it... that's not quite the whole problem. Jul 22 23:53:00 oh, what's the problem then? Jul 22 23:53:48 It changed successfully with gnome-display-properties, but on the next reboot the display initially came up briefly at 800x600, then changed to 1280x1024. The Meego UI was 1280x1024 pixels, but clipped at 800x600... Jul 22 23:54:11 so I nuked the monitors.xml file that gnome-display-properties created and rebooted - back to normal. Jul 22 23:54:19 now it gets really weird :) Jul 22 23:54:43 Thinking that it had to come up initially at the correct resolution, I put in an xorg.conf file which specified to use 1280x1024... Jul 22 23:55:06 On the first reboot, it still came up at 800x600, so I nuked the xorg.conf file, thinking it hadn't worked, and rebooted again. Jul 22 23:55:14 THEN it came up at 1280x1024...! Jul 22 23:55:18 ?!?!? Jul 22 23:55:51 so... for all that I don't understand what the heck it's doing, there's one remaining end issue... Jul 22 23:56:10 in any of these scenarios, if I run a non-Meego application, the fonts are HUGE Jul 22 23:56:23 it's like it scaled the fonts up, but not the widgets, or something like that Jul 22 23:56:37 * GordonS rests fingers for a moment :) Jul 22 23:58:58 so I saw references that there *is* a tool to set the resolution... but I'll be buggered if I can find it :-P Jul 22 23:59:33 hmm Jul 23 00:21:42 the real issue is that Qt Creator looks like @*$^&! at 800x600 :-( Jul 23 00:34:27 xrandr does... *absolutely nothing*. :-P Jul 23 00:35:06 maybe I am doing it wrong :-P Jul 23 00:37:08 what the... "xrandr -q" reports 1280x1024 mode at 0Hz?!? Jul 23 00:43:16 I can't get xrandr to do anything at all... Jul 23 00:44:39 guess I will try and run it at 800x600 :-S **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 23 02:59:56 2010