**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 27 02:59:56 2010 Jul 27 03:16:00 Hi all, I want to know how to do if we want to submit a package to Meego. Jul 27 03:20:04 ? Jul 27 03:21:00 Could anybody see my question? Jul 27 03:21:07 <_Pete_> no Jul 27 03:21:13 <_Pete_> we are still at sleep :) Jul 27 03:21:46 <_Pete_> unfortunatelly for your question I have no answer Jul 27 03:21:56 <_Pete_> so maybe better wait someone wise to wake up Jul 27 03:22:56 oh, sorry, and thanks for your reply. Jul 27 05:06:35 Hi all, if we want to submit a package to MeeGo, where and how need to do ? Jul 27 05:07:31 out of curiousity, what kind of package? Jul 27 05:09:31 such as ibus, the input method tool Jul 27 05:10:29 ok, then i would log an enhancement request with the packaging i believe Jul 27 05:10:35 in bugs.meego.com Jul 27 05:24:15 sorry , I did not understand it Jul 27 05:26:30 you make a bug report, which is an 'ENHANCEMENT', attach your package (srpm) and tell why you think it should be included i guess :) Jul 27 05:26:39 on bugs.meego.com Jul 27 05:27:17 oh, sorry, now I understand Jul 27 05:27:26 thank you Jul 27 05:29:10 all people who want to add/submit their packages should do that on bugs.meego.com? Jul 27 05:29:48 i think all those that don't have access to build.meego.com - i hope there'll be some better way to deal with this eventually Jul 27 05:32:03 oh, those have access to build.meego.com are all from intel/nokia now? Jul 27 05:32:22 no, it seems like others are getting let in too if they have a product related purpose Jul 27 05:32:55 but in general it is for people who have a role in meego development / 'a commit bit' Jul 27 05:36:56 oh, I see, thanks a lot Jul 27 05:37:25 i guess technically if you ended up maintaining a meego package you'd get access, but what do i know.. Jul 27 05:37:29 :P Jul 27 05:40:56 Stskeeps, heya :) Jul 27 05:41:01 morn Jul 27 05:41:43 how much gb card i need to install meego ? Jul 27 05:41:58 2gb Jul 27 05:46:53 Stskeeps, i tried but it didnt booted :( Jul 27 05:47:09 i flashed phone from flasher also Jul 27 05:47:29 i download .ks file Jul 27 05:47:48 h4xordood: didn't i tell you to wait a week? :P Jul 27 05:48:31 and then it fetctched some packages and aafter that generated me .raw file Jul 27 05:48:41 Stskeeps, yeah u told me ;P Jul 27 05:48:47 well that's the result Jul 27 05:48:47 :P Jul 27 05:49:13 Stskeeps, By the way did i do correct step Jul 27 05:49:31 i.e to downlow\d .ks file nokia closed one Jul 27 05:49:42 and then it generates .raw file Jul 27 05:49:47 yes Jul 27 05:50:01 then to dd if= of=dev/mmc card Jul 27 05:50:39 well strange thing was it had unreadable file names Jul 27 05:50:59 and it showed file sizes 1.3 gb 2gb Jul 27 05:51:15 how can thes files come on 2gb Jul 27 05:51:18 o_O Jul 27 05:51:19 what files? :P Jul 27 05:51:37 ali_: out of curiousity, what are you working on? since you need ibus :) Jul 27 05:52:01 when i did this step dd if= of=/dev/mmc Jul 27 05:52:40 it copies inflated raw image to memory card yes ? Jul 27 05:52:50 well if you've bunzipped it first Jul 27 05:52:57 yes, we want to port ibus to meego-handset and meego-netbook Jul 27 05:53:02 oki Jul 27 05:53:04 makes sense Jul 27 05:53:20 ali_: i think there was already some discussion on ibus on meego-dev Jul 27 05:53:21 second Jul 27 05:53:55 ali_: '[MeeGo-dev] SCIM on Meego' Jul 27 05:54:00 you might want to participate in that discussion Jul 27 05:54:05 but now I found that the IMF in meego-handset is conflict with ibus Jul 27 05:54:29 yeah Jul 27 05:54:38 oh, where I could find them? Jul 27 05:54:46 Stskeeps, i did first mic-image-creator --run-mode=0 --cache=mycachedir --format=raw --arch=armv7l --save-kernel --config=meego-handset-armv7l-n900-nokia-closed-1.0.80.8.20100630.ks Jul 27 05:55:03 2) >> dd bs=4096 if= of=/dev/sdX Jul 27 05:55:06 ali_: http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-dev Jul 27 05:55:10 h4xordood: right Jul 27 05:55:19 thanks , I check it first Jul 27 05:56:18 3>> i dont know if i do by flasher or by kexec Jul 27 05:56:25 3, flasher Jul 27 05:56:33 i installled kexec and bootmenu Jul 27 05:56:46 Stskeeps, can i do this without flashing ? Jul 27 05:56:57 yes Jul 27 05:57:04 sudo flasher-3.5 -l -b -k Jul 27 05:57:04 this step is one time Jul 27 05:57:06 flasher -l -k vmlinuz -b just 'boots' it Jul 27 05:57:12 not flashing it Jul 27 05:57:18 ah okay Jul 27 05:57:24 hi Jul 27 05:57:28 yeah, I found it :http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-July/003934.html Jul 27 05:57:32 hey Jul 27 05:57:38 option -f flashes it right ? Jul 27 05:57:41 Minnehaha: morning Jul 27 05:57:45 and holy shit, that's Stskeeps Jul 27 05:57:55 * Minnehaha knows who that is Jul 27 05:58:01 doubt it Jul 27 05:58:01 :P Jul 27 05:58:21 Were you one of the unreal IRCd developers? Jul 27 05:58:41 yes, but i've apologized for that already and served my time Jul 27 05:58:46 lol Jul 27 05:58:50 Yeah I know you. Jul 27 05:58:53 can i use kexec for booting meego? Jul 27 05:58:58 I spoke to you years ago. Jul 27 05:58:59 h4xordood: kexec's broken atm Jul 27 05:59:06 ah :( Jul 27 05:59:12 but, my nickname is Mo Jul 27 05:59:33 Minnehaha: so, back to business, you're here for netbook, handset or just meego in general? :P Jul 27 05:59:45 * Minnehaha was told to come here. Jul 27 05:59:49 Stskeeps, can i feed entry of my meego installation to bootmenu without using flasher ? Jul 27 06:00:08 so that i can boot meego any time i want Jul 27 06:00:08 h4xordood: you might be able to use the android guys' new multiboot thing, but you should really use flasher Jul 27 06:00:28 ok :) Jul 27 06:00:31 h4xordood, using flasher with the options that Stskeeps gave you won't overwrite the current boot on your phone Jul 27 06:00:34 * Minnehaha wonders if Meego has any accessibility features. Jul 27 06:00:58 Minnehaha: in this case you'll probably need to specify which UX.. Jul 27 06:00:59 beford, yeah i read it instead of -l if i use -f it will flash Jul 27 06:01:10 so not to use -f Jul 27 06:01:20 Its boots. That makes it accessable. :D Jul 27 06:01:32 h4xordood, exactly ! :D Jul 27 06:01:37 lol Jul 27 06:02:08 but the thing i want to know is with -l option i boot meego and on restart it will go away and boot maemo Jul 27 06:02:45 but thats everytime process to boot meego again to connect to comp and use flash and boot ;P Jul 27 06:03:39 ok one last question :) Jul 27 06:04:51 flasher -l -k vmlinuz after this step it ask me for usb device Jul 27 06:04:57 I think you can't really 'use' meego at this moment h4xordood :P Jul 27 06:05:04 i attached n900 in of mode Jul 27 06:05:30 then i saw tux on upper left corner Jul 27 06:05:32 ;P Jul 27 06:05:58 so when i turn on n900 again to boot meego do i need to press any key] Jul 27 06:06:15 ? Jul 27 06:06:24 yes make sure you press the any key Jul 27 06:06:29 :D Jul 27 06:08:05 no i mean power on key + something else ? Jul 27 06:19:02 TermanaN900, :D Jul 27 06:19:06 ofcourse Jul 27 06:19:08 ;P Jul 27 06:20:35 h4xordood, :P when your booting meego using flasher loading you need to hold u and plug the usb cable in Jul 27 06:21:35 ah so phoen has to be connected wile pressing u ? ;P Jul 27 06:21:48 i just normally connected phone Jul 27 06:22:12 and then removed cable and power on it holding u Jul 27 06:22:23 may be this is what i did wrong ;P Jul 27 06:23:36 morn Jul 27 08:47:05 any "spectacle" developers here? Jul 27 08:49:09 villev: I think they're all west coast us Jul 27 08:50:00 ok Jul 27 09:02:31 from where meego is launching and loading the panel icons with applications As in moblin is was launching from "/etc/xdg/moblin/xinitec". please let me know the file location in meego, thanks in advance. Jul 27 09:05:39 Hi All, Any one knows that :- from where meego is launching and loading the panel icons with applications As moblin, it was launching from "/etc/xdg/moblin/xinitec". Jul 27 09:06:30 Guest75932: you asked that question 3 minutes earlier Jul 27 09:06:37 yes Jul 27 09:06:44 do you think that asking it twice in a row will get you an answer faster? Jul 27 09:06:57 no Jul 27 09:07:15 i'd suggest using 'find' or 'strace' Jul 27 09:07:21 or 'rpm' Jul 27 09:07:31 if you know the file extension, the former will work nicely Jul 27 09:07:51 if you know the name of the process that's using the files, the middle will work Jul 27 09:08:02 if you know of an item which is shown, then the latter will suffice Jul 27 09:09:20 need to know the file name , which is executing these application from "libexec" folder in an order or in sequence Jul 27 09:10:06 all of the above approaches will work Jul 27 09:10:12 they're really not hard Jul 27 09:10:20 and learning to use them will be good for you Jul 27 09:15:44 thanks dear Jul 27 10:03:10 Hi All, Any one knows that :- from where meego is launching and loading the panel icons with applications As moblin, it was launching from "/etc/xdg/moblin/xinitrc". Jul 27 10:03:33 you ask this question all the time :P Jul 27 10:03:38 go look into uxlaunch source code Jul 27 10:13:29 Guest75932: pstree may help too. Jul 27 10:15:53 Guest75932:: /etc/sysconfig/uxlaunch Jul 27 12:20:57 ohai Jul 27 12:26:20 hello, does someone know if the meego mx absed ui will eb migrated to qt? Jul 27 12:38:03 fabiand: all of MeeGo will use Qt, one day Jul 27 12:49:48 Will MeeGo be using MAFW? Jul 27 12:51:37 Maemo Application Framework? Jul 27 12:51:50 Media Application Frfamework Jul 27 12:51:57 Media Application Framework Jul 27 12:52:04 afaik Jul 27 12:54:16 never heard of it Jul 27 12:55:37 thiago: http://www.grancanariadesktopsummit.org/node/219 Jul 27 12:57:00 hello Jul 27 12:57:27 i downloaded meego Jul 27 12:58:05 how can i install it on my netbook? Jul 27 12:58:47 insert the USB stick with the image to your netbook's USB port Jul 27 13:00:58 i copy the image on an USB stick? Jul 27 13:01:30 ok i will do thx Jul 27 13:01:53 yes, using dd, like the website explains Jul 27 13:02:08 dd? Jul 27 13:03:03 yes Jul 27 13:03:44 whats that? Jul 27 13:06:25 where is it explained? Jul 27 13:08:36 cant find it, help please Jul 27 13:10:02 ah, byte-copy Jul 27 13:10:22 effchen_NTxcv: If you don't know what dd is, and do not know how to find it, you are probably better of leaving MeeGo for a while, and come back when there is a proper install in place. Jul 27 13:11:19 no, i will make it, thx for help Jul 27 13:13:15 effchen_NTxcv: http://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook Jul 27 13:13:40 Read through that, and your probably good to go. Jul 27 13:14:39 thx i just didnt know how to make bootable usb Jul 27 13:14:56 i think i get it now Jul 27 13:15:49 effchen_NTxcv: Excellent Jul 27 13:17:40 The MeeGo Handset - Is it still just a console? or is it with a testable UI? Jul 27 13:17:59 it has a testable UI Jul 27 13:18:12 be careful what you touch, it crashes easily Jul 27 13:19:34 thiago: Hmm - Installable on the N900? Jul 27 13:19:42 yes Jul 27 13:19:47 and on Aavas Jul 27 13:20:25 thiago: Well - I'm quite used to testing thing which crash - I use windows on 1 of my PC's Jul 27 13:20:36 *things Jul 27 13:20:45 :-) Jul 27 13:51:50 works :-) Jul 27 13:52:04 effchen_NTxcv: Nice Jul 27 13:52:16 yeah! Jul 27 14:13:46 Hello Jul 27 15:03:32 I am running the MeeGo netbook emulator which comes with the SDK on an ubuntu box. On the emulator my chat client connects fine and web pages open but i cant connect to twitter and the connection manager stays in a disconnected state Jul 27 15:12:41 has anyone here installed meego on n900 ? Jul 27 15:21:05 ? Jul 27 15:52:22 hm Jul 27 15:52:40 when i get home i will try making the image for meego Jul 27 15:52:47 don't bother, wait a week Jul 27 15:52:59 you always say wait a week ;) Jul 27 15:53:04 heh Jul 27 15:53:22 i just want to make sure the fedora vbox is good to build it from a ks Jul 27 15:53:29 ah, that can work.. Jul 27 15:53:49 so i can keep making the imgs Jul 27 15:53:54 as they come out Jul 27 15:54:02 Stskeeps: how is it handling the dual boot? Jul 27 15:54:15 like the n810 w/a bootloader? Jul 27 15:54:40 flasher Jul 27 15:55:13 so i have to flash bak and forth? Jul 27 15:55:47 nah Jul 27 15:55:59 there's an option just to load a kernel instead of flashing it Jul 27 16:59:08 hello, cant get meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img running with qemu Jul 27 16:59:16 are there some specials i have to know about? Jul 27 17:01:15 eichi: running inside a VM might not work, the images are not meant for running in a VM Jul 27 17:02:46 meego-n900-open-armv7l-1.0.0.20100525.1-sda.raw Jul 27 17:02:53 what about this one? Jul 27 17:11:35 Meego requires 3D video acceleration which isn't supported by virtual machines Jul 27 17:12:54 hi guys, any of you hae downloaded Meego for N900? Do you know if messaging (Skype, MSN, etc) will work on it? Jul 27 17:13:24 high expectations Jul 27 17:13:24 i downloaded but i am not able to run it i mean meego itself :( Jul 27 17:13:25 :P Jul 27 17:13:37 Stskeeps: hi :) Jul 27 17:13:40 Stskeeps: the answer is "none" right? Jul 27 17:14:03 right Jul 27 17:14:12 so what does work? Jul 27 17:14:37 at the moment? glibc Jul 27 17:14:38 :P Jul 27 17:14:39 have you got it installed, Stskeeps, my man Jul 27 17:14:47 yes, i do Jul 27 17:14:49 but i'm off now Jul 27 17:14:53 Stskeeps: not even that, the n900 uses eglibc :p Jul 27 17:15:02 actually no Jul 27 17:15:15 ok Jul 27 17:15:26 so worth the download? y/n? Jul 27 17:15:31 i just dont understand :\ Jul 27 17:15:33 no, cos there's no image to be dled Jul 27 17:15:36 i flash phone Jul 27 17:15:39 h4xordood: you want to read the bug report? :P Jul 27 17:16:00 when is start it boots maemo every time :\ Jul 27 17:16:06 **1 Jul 27 17:16:19 even i buyed 16 gb card for it ;P Jul 27 17:16:25 i am curious Jul 27 17:18:24 Stskeeps: if i know exactly what i am doing then obviously i would bug report ;P Jul 27 17:18:43 atm i only i want to boot meego from mmc Jul 27 17:21:27 did you install meego on a memory card? Jul 27 17:22:02 for the n900? Jul 27 17:22:29 So, just to make sure Jul 27 17:22:41 The thing does NOT work, right? it's not worth downloading Jul 27 17:22:55 there is very little that works Jul 27 17:23:04 ok Cosmo Jul 27 17:23:05 but if it was worth the download or not is up to you Jul 27 17:23:41 well, it's just hard to make a decision when i don't know to what extent it doesn;t not work Jul 27 17:24:10 can i make receive/calls, use firefox, etc? Jul 27 17:24:17 calls? no Jul 27 17:24:24 firefox? yes but only over wifi Jul 27 17:24:30 CosmoHill: i downloaded .ks file Jul 27 17:24:42 and then created image Jul 27 17:24:52 then i installed on mmc Jul 27 17:25:01 mmc a memory card? Jul 27 17:25:03 put the card into n900 Jul 27 17:25:18 did flasher Jul 27 17:25:39 while pressing u connected with usb cable Jul 27 17:26:01 got some vibration and got output kernel installed Jul 27 17:26:13 after that when i turn on phone it maemo Jul 27 17:26:15 :( Jul 27 17:26:33 thanks CosmoHill Jul 27 17:26:35 I'm not familar with flashing the n900 Jul 27 17:26:42 maybe ask n900user how he got it on there :) Jul 27 17:26:58 n900user: can u please tell me Jul 27 17:26:59 > Jul 27 17:27:23 I've never flashed my N900, dude, sorry Jul 27 17:27:45 n900user: then how do u start meego ? Jul 27 17:27:50 kexec ? Jul 27 17:28:15 er, I came here to ASK if it was worth downloading meego Jul 27 17:28:21 hence, I don't have it installed Jul 27 17:28:35 ah sorry, I thought you'd installed it Jul 27 17:28:52 no worries Jul 27 17:29:15 i won't install it until it actually works Jul 27 17:29:37 though, I have to say, what I've seen meego can do on a mobile device Jul 27 17:30:04 it's light years ahead of what's there Jul 27 17:30:08 right now Jul 27 17:30:27 keep your eyes peeled Jul 27 17:30:43 right now, MeeGo is only of use to systems developers Jul 27 17:30:59 yes, i can see that now Jul 27 17:31:05 if you don't already know what to do Jul 27 17:31:10 it is not for you. Jul 27 17:31:24 absolutely right Jul 27 17:41:10 hey TSCHAKeee Jul 27 17:41:19 y0 CosmoHill Jul 27 17:41:32 the smallest l33t word that there is Jul 27 18:15:54 I'm still deciding whether MeeGo would be a good platform for my wireless robot remote. Jul 27 18:17:24 RobotGuy, robot remote? Jul 27 18:17:40 is it a touchscreen device? Jul 27 18:17:59 tripzero: Yes, a remote control for my robots. Yes, it will be a touch screen device as well as having other controllers on it. Jul 27 18:18:29 A wireless remote. :) Jul 27 18:18:41 well, if you want a distro that you can easily build a touchscreen app for, than meego is a really good candidate Jul 27 18:19:10 I already have my robot's brain working with WiFi and will add XBee (ZigBee) wireless to it. Jul 27 18:19:26 cool Jul 27 18:19:30 zigbee is fun Jul 27 18:19:40 tripzero: That might be the case. Unfortunately, I don't have anything with Intel video to develop on. Jul 27 18:19:58 RobotGuy, what does you hardware use for video? Jul 27 18:20:06 s/you/your* Jul 27 18:20:20 Does MeeGo only work on Intel platforms, or can it run on devices that are not Intel based? Jul 27 18:20:33 tripzero: My development machine has nVidia video. Jul 27 18:20:36 RobotGuy, MeeGo also runs on arm-based devices Jul 27 18:21:05 tripzero: That's wonderful, because I have been working with the BeagleBoard (TI OMAP) for awhile. Jul 27 18:21:26 RobotGuy, meego has been known to work on the bb. There are a couple people working on it Jul 27 18:21:37 see #meego-arm Jul 27 18:21:48 I want to get /join #meego-arm Jul 27 18:21:54 Whoops Jul 27 18:22:00 :P Jul 27 18:22:38 the beagleboard guys have been running MeeGo for a while succesfully Jul 27 18:23:31 I want to get http://www.liquidware.com/shop/show/BB-BT/BeagleTouch for the display/touch screen. Jul 27 18:24:58 I was told yesterday there is a library for nVidia I could "drop in" to be able to run the MeeGo SDK. Jul 27 18:27:06 RobotGuy, you can always install the closed nvidia driver from their website Jul 27 18:28:35 robots you say :) Jul 27 18:35:14 tripzero: Would that allow the MeeGo SDK stuff to run for me? Jul 27 18:35:46 CosmoHill: Yes, robots. :D I am almost done with the rebuild of W.A.L.T.E.R. now. I just need a few more parts. Jul 27 18:37:18 RobotGuy, sorry, i'm not sure I understand the question. you are having trouble running something in the sdk? Jul 27 18:38:10 tripzero: I do not have Intel video. Jul 27 18:38:44 RobotGuy, if you are just going to develop an app, you don't need to even run meego Jul 27 18:38:52 you can run whichever linux distro you want Jul 27 18:39:02 just grab the src and run Jul 27 18:39:19 I understand that. I am talking about the MeeGo SDK stuff, like the simulator. Jul 27 18:39:47 I'm running Kubuntu 10.04 with nVidia video. Jul 27 18:39:48 meego sdk isn't meego itself? Jul 27 18:39:49 you can build the sdk on any distro Jul 27 18:40:20 slonopotamus, isn't the sdk just qtcreator + some libs + qemu? Jul 27 18:40:25 tripzero: I don't think we are communicating well. :( Jul 27 18:40:31 maybe not :P Jul 27 18:40:35 tripzero: no idea Jul 27 18:41:02 RobotGuy, I build and test meego apps on my ubuntu desktop Jul 27 18:41:11 i've never used any simulation of any kind Jul 27 18:41:49 tripzero: meego runs on x86, why qemu? Jul 27 18:42:00 tripzero: The simulator won't run for me. Do I have to rebuild the SDK on my Kubuntu setup? Jul 27 18:42:13 slonopotamus, in case you don't want to use your desktop envi as your test environment? Jul 27 18:42:14 idk Jul 27 18:42:31 * RobotGuy sighs Jul 27 18:42:56 RobotGuy, you may have to rebuild it. is it a binary you are trying to run? Jul 27 18:43:15 tripzero: Yes, I think so. I got it from the MeeGo website. Jul 27 18:43:23 i really don't know much about the simulator :-S Jul 27 18:44:02 i don't use it and really don't see it very useful for myself personally Jul 27 19:04:19 What package do I have to install to get mic-image-creator? Jul 27 19:04:46 get it from git and save yourself a lot of tears. and a fedora 12 vm Jul 27 19:05:30 What repository? Jul 27 19:05:56 meego.gitorious.org under os base or developer toools Jul 27 19:15:13 xhost +SI:localuser:n7pkt is not working - can not open display :0 Jul 27 19:30:29 * CosmoHill takes a stab at openmpu Jul 27 19:30:42 s/openmpu/open mpi Jul 27 19:30:43 s/openmpu/open mpi/ Jul 27 19:30:43 CosmoHill meant: s/open mpi/open mpi Jul 27 19:30:47 -.- Jul 27 19:40:15 * RobotGuy sighs Jul 27 19:40:22 This is not working. Jul 27 19:44:02 fedora 12 vm? :P Jul 27 19:44:34 isnt having to use a whole VM just to then run qemu within it like double the pain of scratchbox? Jul 27 19:46:00 hey? Jul 27 19:47:47 ho Jul 27 19:48:11 i have a internet problem with my moblin os Jul 27 19:50:54 and that problem is? Jul 27 19:52:36 dawinci, what is moblin? Jul 27 19:52:52 moblin become meego Jul 27 19:53:38 anyway, it's connect to the wireless internet, but after one minut or so it's suddenly disconnect Jul 27 19:54:07 for no reason, it works fine when i use ubuntu, mint or some other os Jul 27 19:54:16 what's your wifi card? Jul 27 19:57:06 hm... i think it's Atheros WLAN Jul 27 20:01:16 meego sdk doesn't give me the same amount of pain as scratchbox did, because it doesn't start at all ;-) Jul 27 20:01:25 (possibly because my nvidia card) Jul 27 20:01:42 that said, we could technically run mic2 inside sdk.. i wonder if it contains mic2 Jul 27 20:01:42 * CosmoHill gives dazo_afk a poke Jul 27 20:01:45 villev: blank screen on boot? Jul 27 20:02:05 I run "meego-start" or whatever, and it does nothing Jul 27 20:02:12 after I've chrooted in Jul 27 20:02:21 I'm talking of the netbook sdk here Jul 27 20:02:34 ah that kind of setup, not vbox Jul 27 20:02:35 because that's what was easy to find on the website Jul 27 20:02:45 nah, I don't want a vm Jul 27 20:02:49 if I can help it Jul 27 20:03:09 I didn't need one for scratchbox anyway (x86 version) Jul 27 20:03:35 and the meego-sdk thing seems to be the closest thing to sbox Jul 27 20:05:13 * thiago prefers to cross-compile Jul 27 20:05:15 I jailed even sbox inside vm myself, that thing cannibalises the host it runs on Jul 27 20:05:23 I don't want VM nor chroot Jul 27 20:05:25 CosmoHill , any solution ? Jul 27 20:05:33 thiago: my cluster is being a pain in the arse :( Jul 27 20:05:43 dawinci: nope, sorry Jul 27 20:05:54 I'm kinda good at gathering information for others to use Jul 27 20:06:10 well, mostly I imagine I could do everything on desktop Jul 27 20:06:12 thanks anyway Jul 27 20:06:46 that's the desired state anyway (and then deal with hardware once it's available - didn't pick up Aava yet ;-) Jul 27 20:07:03 is there any difference between the os at moblin.org and the one at meego ? Jul 27 20:07:46 yes :) Jul 27 20:08:34 whats the difference? Jul 27 20:08:59 dawinci: well, you can expect moblin to be older since it's dead Jul 27 20:09:21 thiago, i prefer to native compile Jul 27 20:09:34 i don't want VM nor chroot nor cross-compile Jul 27 20:09:38 I prefer to native compil as well - to x86 ;-) Jul 27 20:10:21 as it appears it will make sense to run handset ux on netbook: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=6181#post6181 Jul 27 20:10:50 so you'll get a pretty big phone to test on Jul 27 20:11:14 oh, hehe Jul 27 20:11:15 better try the meego version Jul 27 20:11:21 * CosmoHill has been brought up cross / chroot compiling Jul 27 20:11:54 Stskeeps: Handsets beta release is due in august right? Jul 27 20:11:55 * lcuk was brought up with a Play button in visual basic Jul 27 20:12:04 what is this compiler you speak of :P Jul 27 20:12:16 compilers are for noobs Jul 27 20:12:41 pseudo-old farts mostly started with basic interpreters anyway Jul 27 20:13:25 th3hate: http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.1 Jul 27 20:13:34 when i say brought up, i mean my main linux life has been cross / chroot compiling Jul 27 20:14:36 has anyone pondered ordering any of these: http://www.junauza.com/2010/07/affordable-android-powered-ipad-like.html Jul 27 20:15:00 in theory dealextreme should ship to civilized world as well Jul 27 20:15:32 i wouldn't mind a smartdevices R7/T7 if just the mali drivers were oss Jul 27 20:15:35 or available in general Jul 27 20:15:48 mali? Jul 27 20:16:11 ARM's gpu i think Jul 27 20:16:26 r7/t7 has a telechips processor with a mali gpu so Jul 27 20:16:36 (not imgtec) Jul 27 20:17:09 ah, smartq t7 Jul 27 20:17:26 is the T7 available now? Jul 27 20:17:28 Stskeeps: you thing beta will be ready for testing by us? or very obscure like pre-alpha? Jul 27 20:17:28 think* Jul 27 20:17:29 maybe if the companies selling them could be located, and you could get the sources to the kernel Jul 27 20:17:31 * TSCHAK has a V7 Jul 27 20:17:44 haaaaa Jul 27 20:17:46 fat chance Jul 27 20:17:54 th3hate: if you speak n900 i really hope we have automated images before that Jul 27 20:18:05 TSCHAK: saying fat chance for smartdevices kernels is a bit unfair :) Jul 27 20:18:23 all these cheap tablets are cool, but replacing the kernel is nigh upon impossible if the chinese companies behind them refused to comply with the GPL Jul 27 20:18:48 the funny part of this company is that they were more than willing to give kernel and bootloader out for the q5 Jul 27 20:19:02 why do they even bother NOT complying with GPL? Jul 27 20:19:26 villev: Those look real interesting. Might be nice to get one, at least for development, and they probably have most everything I need. Jul 27 20:19:48 RobotGuy: with $100... it doesn't even need to be that interesting ;-) Jul 27 20:20:06 and N810 is the only tablet I have Jul 27 20:20:10 Stskeeps, they do not talk to anyone unless they speak chinese Jul 27 20:20:19 7incher would be an improvement (quoth the wife) Jul 27 20:20:25 TSCHAK: that's not true either Jul 27 20:20:26 (mandarin specifically, but my mandarin is beyond suck) Jul 27 20:20:46 TSCHAK: i mean, i had the product manager for q5 on gtalk :) Jul 27 20:21:02 as well as the kernel developer on email Jul 27 20:21:03 it's not just the kernel either, they patched a weird video out driver into vlc Jul 27 20:21:11 villev: Yes, indeed. :) It's the kind of thing I have been looking for - just needs XBee. :) Jul 27 20:21:11 had a patched GTK+ that couldn't be rebuilt Jul 27 20:21:18 vlc is a bit wtf indeed Jul 27 20:21:22 i'm not very happy with them Jul 27 20:21:36 grante Jul 27 20:21:37 d Jul 27 20:21:40 WE are not their target market Jul 27 20:21:45 but... Jul 27 20:21:46 sigh. Jul 27 20:22:08 again, with $100, it could have hitler and I'd buy it Jul 27 20:22:11 so why cant you use the android drivers (assuming its available) Jul 27 20:22:41 most likely they depend on the android specific kernel patches Jul 27 20:23:21 and because of the wonderful level of compatability between kernelsthis isnt a problem *grin* Jul 27 20:28:51 take that infobot! Jul 27 20:32:45 WHEEEEEEEeeeee Jul 27 21:24:54 anyone in here good with openmpi? Jul 27 21:25:19 (or less crap than me) Jul 27 21:25:33 people still do mpi? :) Jul 27 21:25:46 lbt, was your obs closed to me due to the IMEI requiremnt? Jul 27 21:25:54 what would you suggest auke? Jul 27 21:26:24 I dunno, I fidgeted with mpi like 8 years ago and still surprised nothing better is around yet :) Jul 27 21:27:01 vgrade: not specially ... Jul 27 21:27:33 auke: I'm building a cluster for my dissertation :) Jul 27 21:27:38 if you don't have an account it's more likely we just didn't set you up... :) Jul 27 21:27:41 I want to build a netbook image with emgd drivers Jul 27 21:27:56 CosmoHill: fun fun. what type of nodes? Jul 27 21:28:12 AMD Athlon 64 mini-towers Jul 27 21:28:51 aw, I had hope you would say something cool like "a wheelbarrow of beagleboards" Jul 27 21:28:57 vgrade: sure... Jul 27 21:29:01 ... Jul 27 21:29:39 lbt, coud you set me up? Jul 27 21:30:02 if you answer the pm... Jul 27 21:32:05 all good? Jul 27 21:35:22 is it wrong that youtube uses more processing power than compiling software? Jul 27 21:37:19 CosmoHill, but it produces binaries which are run on multiple cpus and arches Jul 27 21:37:27 highly optimised cat videos Jul 27 21:37:54 :3 Jul 27 21:43:31 lcuk: my wooden desk is nice and warm :/ Jul 27 21:45:24 CosmoHill, ahh i thought you meant their servers Jul 27 21:45:31 since you were talking about clusters Jul 27 21:45:37 ah no Jul 27 21:46:03 youtube on my laptop goes up to 66 / 76C Jul 27 21:46:06 *67C Jul 27 21:46:15 yes i believe flash has the capability to cause heatdeath of the universe to come sooner Jul 27 21:46:16 compiling atm is at 65C Jul 27 21:46:43 my friend's laptop suddenly powers off when playing on facebook Jul 27 21:47:06 isnt that flash 10 now Jul 27 21:49:26 night all Jul 27 21:49:48 \o lbt Jul 27 21:49:58 night Jul 27 21:50:21 cyas lbt Jul 27 22:07:51 dammit, my laptop is a homo Jul 27 22:08:02 did it try to kiss you? Jul 27 22:08:54 literary Jul 27 22:09:27 nope Jul 27 22:09:45 it only likes it's own architextures Jul 27 22:10:05 I have two different archs I want to run MPI on Jul 27 22:14:32 * CosmoHill dances folllowed by error messages Jul 27 22:14:50 nite all, sweet dreams Jul 27 22:14:57 bye trem Jul 27 23:55:35 cyas **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 28 02:59:56 2010