**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 30 02:59:57 2010 Jul 30 06:41:33 bah... Jul 30 06:41:41 * Phazorx kicks his ISP Jul 30 06:42:24 anyone good with fedora shared object naming guidelines? Jul 30 06:42:24 :P Jul 30 06:48:14 Stskeeps: are you familiar w/ 'repo'? Jul 30 06:48:35 * timeless_mbp found a "meego" repo which claimed to have a 'repo' manifest for pulling meego Jul 30 06:48:50 but waved its hands at some unnamed wiki Jul 30 07:21:29 1st batch of mails sent; coffee! Jul 30 07:22:22 i should really add to my contract 'sending relevant email about project, XX% of the week' Jul 30 07:22:26 :P Jul 30 07:25:27 ok, if you were mnp-world-clock.c, where would you be? Jul 30 08:06:01 Hello All. I need help with udev/udisks settings. I have USB multi-card reader. Meego can detect SD card insertion, but when I remove the SD card, there is only UDEV and KERNEL "change" events in udevadm monitor logs. And it works as I need on my laptop with Ubuntu. I heve the following packages installed on my Meego: udev, udisks, udisks-devel, dbus. Jul 30 08:06:12 TSCHAKeee: you had a mali device? Jul 30 08:06:52 What does it maen "mali"? Jul 30 08:12:07 hi Jul 30 08:14:13 in the future there will be a version of Meego fro via chip? Jul 30 08:17:58 hi Jul 30 08:18:21 in fact emgd drivers does not seems to work on T91MT :( Jul 30 08:18:39 (it's a pain to configure xorg.conf with them) Jul 30 08:19:45 did you get a emgd enabled kernel/module? Jul 30 08:19:51 no Jul 30 08:19:56 where can I retrieve it ? Jul 30 08:20:01 I only got the xorg part Jul 30 08:20:23 ah, that's probably why nothing works Jul 30 08:20:23 :P Jul 30 08:20:27 wait for vgrade Jul 30 08:20:30 ok Jul 30 08:37:25 heffer: ping Jul 30 08:37:35 Stskeeps, pong Jul 30 08:37:56 heffer: how are you with typical rpm policies and shared objects? such as libblah.so, libblah.so.1 etc? Jul 30 08:38:23 pretty good, any questions? :D Jul 30 08:38:57 heffer: well, we have a pretty funky situation. on ARM and GLESv2 in general, applications link against /usr/lib/libGLESv2.so directly, not .so.1 Jul 30 08:39:22 this is specified by khronos for some reason Jul 30 08:40:10 the problem is that well, we want to be compatible with the rest of the world, so our binaries would Requires: libGLESv2.so instead of so.1 Jul 30 08:40:20 which in packaging guidelines is stated should only exist in -devel packages :) Jul 30 08:40:26 (the .so) Jul 30 08:40:36 so we have a bit of a conflict Jul 30 08:41:09 okay Jul 30 08:41:55 so is libGLESv2.so the binary itself? Jul 30 08:42:07 on most implementations yes Jul 30 08:42:20 does the compile process of libGLESv2.so not create a versioned binary? Jul 30 08:42:33 at least not the closed source ones i've seen Jul 30 08:42:48 my n900 only have /usr/lib/libGLESv2.so for instance Jul 30 08:43:18 the problem is that if we start building apps against /usr/lib/libGLES.so.1 (to be ok with packaging guidelines), those apps will break on version-less implementations Jul 30 08:43:56 so you basically have no influence on the build process because it's closed source? Jul 30 08:44:36 well, on the actual implementations - we can build against it fine cos it's an open api (and stubs/mesa like libs exist) Jul 30 08:44:50 an unversioned so-file is usually a sign of 1. lack of knowledge upstream or 2. not being able to guarantee ABI stability Jul 30 08:45:17 or 3. stupid specification Jul 30 08:45:29 what we do in Fedora in those cases is that we patch the Makefile to include the full upstream version number on the so-file Jul 30 08:45:50 you could then link the unversioned one in a -devel subpackge Jul 30 08:46:05 khronos states libGLESv2.so, with a symlink to libGLESv2.so.1 in order to transparently upgrade libGLESv2.so to libGLESv2.so.2 for instance Jul 30 08:46:07 worst case would be that the verison-less implementation would then pull in the -devel package Jul 30 08:46:17 vlj, sorry for the delay with the emgd kernel I've been to school on OBS bulding for the last couple of days. Got the hang of it now so I should have a kernel for you soon. Jul 30 08:46:48 sweet. they understand versioning of so-files the opposite way :D Jul 30 08:47:18 so i'm really wondering if a band-aid is the only way ahead Jul 30 08:47:33 aka "We want to present applications linked against older versions with new versions without needing to recompile them" Jul 30 08:47:34 vgrade: where did you grab the source for the kernel module of emgd ? Jul 30 08:47:48 like, versionless implementations getting a ln -s libEGL.so libEGL.so.1 in packaging Jul 30 08:48:26 Stskeeps, you could also create a -compat subpackage solely for the reason of packaging a symlink Jul 30 08:48:46 i think that would be reasonable to justify an exception Jul 30 08:48:55 vlj, see the notes on the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnwfVtHuhoI Jul 30 08:49:17 because having normal packages pull in -devel packages for runtime is rather... unusual Jul 30 08:49:26 yeah Jul 30 08:49:49 thx Jul 30 08:49:55 and i'm afraid you have to meet this bad design decision with a band-aid then Jul 30 08:50:34 however, does /usr/lib/whatever.so -> whatever.so.1 normally exist? Jul 30 08:50:53 ah, i guess it doesn't.. Jul 30 08:51:29 no. only in -devel packages Jul 30 08:51:56 the -devel packages contain those symlinks Jul 30 08:52:24 right, seems like i need to poke some people Jul 30 08:52:33 basically what you want to do is to just package that symlink in a special package. that's the easy way Jul 30 08:55:08 because that way you can just let packages that require the versionless so-file pull in the newest version of the versioned one Jul 30 08:55:33 :nod: Jul 30 09:01:45 Stskeeps, you might find this thread interesting: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2009-March/025336.html Jul 30 09:03:12 thanks Jul 30 09:22:16 . Jul 30 09:27:16 Stskeeps: don't forget to make devel depend on compat Jul 30 09:27:21 otherwise bad things will happen Jul 30 09:28:28 * timeless_mbp considers throwing a match at the brush near heffer Jul 30 09:28:47 :P Jul 30 09:29:01 i didn't break anything Jul 30 09:29:05 yet Jul 30 09:29:05 heffer: i think the thing to keep in mind is that the version name is in the filename Jul 30 09:29:12 it's libGLESv2 Jul 30 09:29:23 if they want to have a new api, they'd write a file libGLESv3 Jul 30 09:29:36 silly people Jul 30 09:29:39 and now, i've lit my matches Jul 30 09:29:46 so if you comment again, i will toss them :) Jul 30 09:29:57 please keep in mind that the world is not unix Jul 30 09:30:20 timeless_mbp: the problem is also a bit that the linux distros balantly ignore what khronos says anyway :) Jul 30 09:30:22 there are some oddly popular platforms with commercial products and a huge userbase which do not stick suffixes after the file extension Jul 30 09:30:31 Stskeeps: linux distros are stupid Jul 30 09:30:39 that won't make the 6pm news Jul 30 09:30:41 people are supposed to build against /usr/lib/libGL.so, not /usr/lib/libGL.so.1, for instance Jul 30 09:30:43 let alone 11pm Jul 30 09:30:50 guess what most distros are building against Jul 30 09:31:12 timeless_mbp, exactly. the world is not unix. Jul 30 09:31:19 personally, i'm quite happy to see distros break for being stupid Jul 30 09:31:23 that's why they fail so miserably at it :D Jul 30 09:31:26 distros stupid. surprise Jul 30 09:31:37 i vote we all go for .dll's Jul 30 09:31:37 :P Jul 30 09:32:02 ln -sf libGLESv2.so GLESv2.dll Jul 30 09:32:30 Stskeeps: +1 Jul 30 09:32:43 .dllhell is so much milder than .sohell Jul 30 09:32:50 and ms managed to solve .dllhell Jul 30 09:32:57 why wasn't meego based on windows to start with? Jul 30 09:33:16 heffer: dunno, nokia did have a windows project for notebooks Jul 30 09:33:23 actually, that's probably not past tense Jul 30 09:33:39 you could do my employer a favor and buy a bunch ;-) Jul 30 09:33:52 but i don't think they ever tried cramming windows onto a phone Jul 30 09:33:58 i know other vendors have Jul 30 09:34:03 nokia? not that i know of Jul 30 09:34:16 other classic phone vendors? a bunch, indeed Jul 30 09:34:30 at least, i don't know of any public references to having tried it Jul 30 09:34:32 but those other vendors' linux-based phones are now more successful Jul 30 09:34:36 it wouldn't shock me if it was attempted in private Jul 30 09:34:42 me neither Jul 30 09:34:43 * timeless_mbp ponders Jul 30 09:34:55 apple has now outsold motorola for 2 quarters running Jul 30 09:35:00 i think im going to kill myself if this discussion turns into an end product Jul 30 09:35:01 but it shows that nokia has proven common sense Jul 30 09:35:02 and it has i believe 1 phone on the market at a time Jul 30 09:35:04 :P Jul 30 09:35:08 heffer: um. *cough* Jul 30 09:35:13 :D Jul 30 09:35:20 those two things do not belong in a sentence together. ever Jul 30 09:35:35 probably not even in the same paragraph, page, or perhaps document Jul 30 09:35:50 TermanaN900, even if the end product would be me and timeless_mbp forming a company that crams Windows 7 Ultimate onto phones? Jul 30 09:36:22 heffer: actually, the descriptions i've seen for the new windows phone platform don't seem bad Jul 30 09:36:28 heffer, an hero. Ill develop a Maemo app that shows me on my camera :P Jul 30 09:36:38 the only gripe i have is that it's like apple's platform: mostly closed Jul 30 09:37:01 (i think you have to use silverlight or whatever) Jul 30 09:37:02 well android is just a little less closed :) Jul 30 09:37:15 heffer, unless you offer me an obnoxiously large wage - then im in!! :P Jul 30 09:37:16 yeah, in reality at this point apple's platform is the most open of them Jul 30 09:37:21 … there's irony for you Jul 30 09:37:22 that's why i put my hopes into meego :D Jul 30 09:38:09 * timeless_mbp hopes heffer has some other ways to be happy Jul 30 09:38:25 fishing, horses, casinos,... Jul 30 09:38:44 those all probably have better odds :) Jul 30 09:39:19 i'm allergic to horses, unfortunately Jul 30 09:39:31 but fishing is okay with me Jul 30 09:39:52 /win 19 Jul 30 09:41:59 /lose =b Jul 30 09:52:30 vlj, can you try the kernel here, this should contain the img graphics patch, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.0/1.0.0.5.20100707.2/core/repos/ia32/packages/kernel-netbook-2.6.33.3-19.1.i586.rpm Jul 30 10:03:38 vlj, scratch that DRM_EDG is not enabled in that binary, will have a new one build soon Jul 30 10:04:12 ok Jul 30 10:04:31 you build them with build service ? Jul 30 10:07:54 yes Jul 30 10:43:03 hello does anybody know when smeegol (opensuse+meego) is gonna be out for installation? Jul 30 11:01:27 what is smeegol? Jul 30 11:02:09 InformatiQ: Brother of Smeagol? Jul 30 11:02:29 lol Jul 30 14:21:37 vlj, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5715485/kernel-netbook-2.6.33.3-20.1.i586.rpm Jul 30 14:21:47 thx Jul 30 14:22:20 I hope I didnt take you too much time :$ Jul 30 14:24:38 np, i don't have my obs badges yet so things take time Jul 30 14:25:54 the spec file also seems to direct the OBS to build all the kernels in series instead of spreading them over the full OBS back ends Jul 30 14:26:30 ok Jul 30 14:27:05 did you manage to build a new netbook image Jul 30 14:27:19 changed in later kernels (series) Jul 30 14:28:23 stskeeps, its still quicker than me bashing keys though Jul 30 14:29:34 vgrade: I took the "official" netbook image and I installed emgd-drv with virtualbox Jul 30 14:31:26 ok Jul 30 14:36:13 vlj, you may need to install the other packages which have -1636- in the filename from, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.0/1.0.0.5.20100707.2/ivi/repos/ia32/packages/i586/ Jul 30 14:36:41 I think there are 7 of them Jul 30 14:37:35 which one ? Jul 30 14:39:45 is dual finger scroll supposed to be working (or at least possible to enable) for touchpads that do support it? Jul 30 14:40:53 compat-libva, mesa-emgd-dri,mesa-emgd-libGL,xorg-x11-drv-emgd,xorg-x11-utils-emgdgui, only 5 sorry Jul 30 14:50:55 man thers a lot of abandonware in the repos Jul 30 14:52:37 Meegoanogo: hi maemoboi Jul 30 14:52:46 and wtf do you mean by abadonware Jul 30 14:53:23 apps not being updated no more... Jul 30 14:53:38 abandoned apps Jul 30 14:53:46 and what apps are you talking about? Jul 30 14:54:10 whole wack of em Jul 30 14:54:25 i have not heard about sed or awk being updated recently Jul 30 14:54:31 but that does not make them abandonware Jul 30 14:54:40 or tar for that matter Jul 30 14:54:49 Meegoanogo: give a specific example. Jul 30 14:55:18 what i'm sayin is...there's a lot of unfinished apps ...seems like devs have gone away Jul 30 14:55:36 Stskeeps: greader Jul 30 14:55:44 Meegoanogo: in meego? Jul 30 14:56:12 i just dont want the same mistake repeated in meego Jul 30 14:56:50 you're talking about something that isn't meego, don't troll Jul 30 14:57:02 ok Jul 30 14:57:37 but the fanbois baned me in meemo for speaking my mind... Jul 30 14:59:01 The fact that you've referred to them as fanbois, I can only guess why Jul 30 14:59:20 well if you said 'how do you intend to deal with what looks like abandonware in meego", thats where app stores come in Jul 30 14:59:58 reviews, ratings, etc Jul 30 15:00:15 Meegoanogo, you cannot have open source without partial projects - that is not a maemo or meego thing, that is the fact that people start things and do not progress through - fact of life. if you want less incomplete projects the solution is to roll up your sleeps and help the devs Jul 30 15:00:46 sleeves even Jul 30 15:00:46 slaine: unless you praise them they kick you out...that aint constructive discussion Jul 30 15:01:13 true, it takes both sides Jul 30 15:01:17 Meegoanogo: also, you are coming in with nickname 'meego a nogo' Jul 30 15:01:26 Meegoanogo: who's the idiot here again? Jul 30 15:01:58 whats your point? Jul 30 15:02:02 chill Jul 30 15:02:07 Meegoanogo: do you having anything valuable to contribute here? Jul 30 15:02:21 yes Jul 30 15:02:36 get a proper nick and stop trolling, consider this your first warning. Jul 30 15:02:46 last i chcecked....irc was open for all Jul 30 15:03:00 why did people implement bans then? Jul 30 15:03:04 you wanna turn it into a nazi state? Jul 30 15:03:23 Hehe Jul 30 15:03:23 bans are for spammers Jul 30 15:03:31 Or trolls Jul 30 15:03:44 bans are not for people with a different point of view Jul 30 15:04:14 then go discuss it on the #bannedandwanttocry channel Jul 30 15:04:28 funny Jul 30 15:04:32 Meegoanogo: let me just get an article for you.. Jul 30 15:04:32 <--- Troll Jul 30 15:05:26 Meegoanogo: http://www.oreillynet.com/conferences/blog/2006/07/oscon_how_open_source_projects.html - i think you can agree your behaviour corresponds closely to that of a poisonous person. Jul 30 15:05:59 i have a lot to contribute here....i have years of experience in coding and programming...lots of experience....but all i see is hostility Jul 30 15:06:32 Meegoanogo: no, you're starting out with typical troll behaviour. Jul 30 15:06:45 Meegoanogo: go read that page, please. Jul 30 15:06:56 trust me... Jul 30 15:07:01 ok Jul 30 15:07:28 i have coded stuff that would make your jaws drop... Jul 30 15:07:43 you sound like an arrogant child. Jul 30 15:07:45 Meegoanogo: yes, good for you, but we're talking about your behaviour Jul 30 15:07:53 the dental UX may need your help Jul 30 15:08:02 * TSCHAKeee snickers Jul 30 15:08:20 what about my behavior? im trying to lite a fire in a community that badly needs it Jul 30 15:09:05 i read that article....good one Stskeeps Jul 30 15:09:14 Stskeeps: done Jul 30 15:09:37 do you know how to light a fire in a community? WRITE CODE, CONTRIBUTE DOCUMENTATION, HELP PEOPLE. Jul 30 15:09:40 PICK ONE. Jul 30 15:09:47 or more Jul 30 15:09:49 up to you. Jul 30 15:10:05 otherwise, you're just a whiny little bitch. Jul 30 15:10:20 one that we have no time and energy for. Jul 30 15:10:25 back in my engineereing days at nokia we were considered the future of the company Jul 30 15:10:36 so, get a normal nickname, start participating as a normal person, instead of starting with a direct attack/trolling each time you join. Jul 30 15:10:45 oh wow Jul 30 15:10:57 i am not attacking ...your perception Jul 30 15:11:01 Meegoanogo: just so you know, you're surrounded by Nokia people here. the bullshit detector just broke. Jul 30 15:11:05 i apologise if i did Jul 30 15:11:44 lol...you guys were sucking milk when we were kings of the engeneering hill at nokia Jul 30 15:12:08 * TSCHAKeee rolls eyes. Jul 30 15:12:08 now we just observe Jul 30 15:12:15 I stop watching IRC for half an hour and a friday troll (not the thiago type ;-)) sneeks in. it has been a long time Jul 30 15:12:32 Meegoanogo: what group were you with? Jul 30 15:13:04 and i continue to be abused here by a bunch of close minded people Jul 30 15:13:27 i was in what was then called series60 and later series90 Jul 30 15:13:42 Meegoanogo: sorry, but you're acting like an ass in here. obvious flamebaiting, too. Jul 30 15:13:50 Meegoanogo: so, shape up or leave. Jul 30 15:14:27 an ass? so who is using bad language here my friend? Jul 30 15:14:29 Meegoanogo: they weren't called the series60 and series90 groups. FAIL. Jul 30 15:14:45 oh well Jul 30 15:14:51 * TSCHAKeee just puts this guy on ignore Jul 30 15:14:55 :) Jul 30 15:15:12 hehe... you guys dont have to believe me i dont care Jul 30 15:15:21 TSCHAKeee: ignore is usually much more effective than ban Jul 30 15:15:31 but it requires a collective effort Jul 30 15:15:39 pinchartl: indeed. Jul 30 15:16:05 it really amazes me how people can have the balls to walk in and talk like this to a group of people who actually do work. Jul 30 15:16:06 the phrase "don't feed" exists for a reason :-) Jul 30 15:16:09 you also need to clean up your ignore list at some point, otherwise you start believing people are ignoring you :-) Jul 30 15:16:24 pinchartl: heheheh Jul 30 15:16:55 there was a series 90 Jul 30 15:16:58 as well as series 80 Jul 30 15:17:00 yes. Jul 30 15:17:00 both got canned Jul 30 15:17:03 and yes Jul 30 15:17:18 ignoring one of the biggest programmer at nokia....well done community.....well done Jul 30 15:17:31 Meegoanogo: got a CV? Jul 30 15:17:49 yes Jul 30 15:17:55 show us then Jul 30 15:17:57 Stskeeps: don't feed... :-) Jul 30 15:18:08 Meegoanogo: who did you report to? Jul 30 15:18:09 i will....in due course Jul 30 15:18:25 hey everyone look at me im awesome Jul 30 15:18:33 ... this is what we are doing, right? Jul 30 15:18:38 pretty much Jul 30 15:18:39 frals: you are.. :P Jul 30 15:18:41 frals: you -are- awesome. Jul 30 15:18:47 yeah, i agree Jul 30 15:18:53 TKJ cant give you full name but people in the know will know who I'm talking about....he is no longer there Jul 30 15:19:29 i will be honest with you....may i? Jul 30 15:19:43 anyway, bugs won't fix themselves magically. I'm back to real work Jul 30 15:19:48 Stskeeps: no-u! ;) Jul 30 15:20:04 * frals goes back to trying to migrate to new device without forgetting anything on the old one Jul 30 15:20:22 i wish you meego guys all the best....i want nokia to shine again....but guys: lose the arrogance please Jul 30 15:21:00 * slonopotamus yawns Jul 30 15:21:05 you're the one coming in with constant flammable topics and nicknames, who's the troll here again? Jul 30 15:21:09 slonopotamus: welcome to the show, want some popcorn? Jul 30 15:21:32 nokia at the very top has a lot of hope in meego....it HAS to succeed Jul 30 15:21:58 we definitely need a new drug for those who get easily excited.. Fuckitol. :P Jul 30 15:22:26 just so those (including me) can chill when certain inflammatory personalities enter a room. Jul 30 15:22:27 in the very top level meeting the talk is all meego or nothing....symbian is a persona non grata....trust me Jul 30 15:22:55 some people just don't know how to lie properly. Jul 30 15:25:00 moving on.. Jul 30 15:25:46 crappy crap. gsm coverage in subway in reverse direction is much better for some reason :/ Jul 30 15:28:35 whassup? Jul 30 15:29:06 not much. waiting for people to come back from vacation. Jul 30 15:29:16 enjoying the start of a weekend Jul 30 15:29:32 LOL Jul 30 15:30:15 and you? Jul 30 15:30:50 nothing Jul 30 15:31:10 so what brings you to meego? Jul 30 15:31:47 aaargh Jul 30 15:32:08 jjust chillin' Jul 30 15:32:44 what do you want to run meego on? Jul 30 15:32:45 * slonopotamus finally gets out of subway. so, who is on duty today? Jul 30 15:33:43 mobile phones Jul 30 15:33:54 tablets Jul 30 15:34:12 you a user, developer, tester? Jul 30 15:35:02 positive on all 3 counts Jul 30 15:35:23 what area would you like to contribute to? Jul 30 15:35:44 not sure yet Jul 30 15:36:13 observing for now Jul 30 15:36:18 know any qt? Jul 30 15:36:56 i dont yet see the potential to make income in open source... Jul 30 15:37:20 coding as a hobby I am not interested in Jul 30 15:37:52 meegoman: you want teh stinkin bucks? Jul 30 15:37:55 :) Jul 30 15:38:02 meegoman: sharing same IP adress as Meegoanogo? Jul 30 15:38:10 well, I am not a charity Jul 30 15:38:14 well, open source contributions often cause people to get more visible and eventually hired. but you can do meego work as a living too Jul 30 15:38:28 ok Jul 30 15:38:31 plenty of positions open Jul 30 15:38:41 so, sometimes open source pays Jul 30 15:38:56 i understand Jul 30 15:40:00 also as an app developer doing qt towards meego app stores, you might make a buck - though some say its not sustainable Jul 30 15:40:21 meego app stores is not online now is it ? Jul 30 15:41:07 the volumes dont justify making an income from app development Jul 30 15:41:17 not yet, but i guess ovi store might count for qt apps (another interesting topic) Jul 30 15:41:52 meegoman: scaringly enough i agree. and donations for oss doesnt work either Jul 30 15:41:55 i doubt it Jul 30 15:42:00 have to find a middle way Jul 30 15:42:01 well have to go now see you Jul 30 15:43:00 how will the major publishing houses (such as EA) will ever come on board? Jul 30 15:43:30 meegoman: by providing a compelling target group/market, same as everywhere else Jul 30 15:43:31 meegoman: apps are almost never profitable, the tail is very, very, very, very long Jul 30 15:44:05 good luck Jul 30 15:44:17 unless you're a super-coder, marketing-master and social-expert all rolled into one :) Jul 30 15:44:32 meegoman: we aren't the ones doing business, we do the platform, open source :) Jul 30 15:45:11 meegoman: which has direct benefit to lesser cost of getting a phone to market for companies, easier adaptation by hobbyists, etc Jul 30 15:45:19 your statement is incorrect. there are developers in apple/android making a living out of app development. and making a nice living too. Jul 30 15:45:41 meegoman: yes, but they're few Jul 30 15:45:57 there was some article on this the other month Jul 30 15:46:05 Anyone here running MeeGo on modern Atom, D4xx or something ? Jul 30 15:46:14 meegoman: I didn't say that there aren't any, it's just that for every successful one you get dozens of those who aren't doing that well Jul 30 15:46:48 meegoman: think about it as the lottery. Sure, some people win on it, but it doesn't make it a good business Jul 30 15:47:47 it will truly be scary when "modern" means, less than three months old Jul 30 15:48:30 meegoman: so, we know very well you're the same person we just banned before - i'll lift your ban now. please stick with your current nickname next time you join and keep on behaving as you have done in this session. Jul 30 15:49:04 ok...thanks Jul 30 15:49:37 * TSCHAKeee looks at Stskeeps and shrugs Jul 30 15:49:51 * slonopotamus yawns again Jul 30 15:49:54 perhaps a bit offtopic here.... but can i ask a meego-technical question (and expect an answer or some kind of reaction)? Jul 30 15:50:02 Phazorx: go ahead :) it's highly on topic Jul 30 15:50:04 Phazorx: definitely Jul 30 15:50:08 I can promise a reaction Jul 30 15:50:20 well looking at the log here... :) Jul 30 15:50:23 is dual finger scroll supposed to be working (or at least possible to enable) for touchpads that do support it? Jul 30 15:50:37 Phazorx: netbook, handset? Jul 30 15:50:47 samsung N150 Jul 30 15:50:53 netbook :) Jul 30 15:50:53 * achipa 's reaction is O_o Jul 30 15:50:53 i don't think netbook supports it Jul 30 15:51:05 well it works with sabayon and win7 Jul 30 15:51:15 so the device definetly supports it Jul 30 15:51:23 Phazorx: i don't think netbook UX is fond of multitouch, sadly Jul 30 15:51:33 is that curable? Jul 30 15:51:39 Stskeeps: though that should be more X... right ? Jul 30 15:51:39 i see the option in the gnome-prefs Jul 30 15:51:49 achipa: yeah, but also has soemthing to deal with toolkit Jul 30 15:52:06 Stskeeps: as in, it's not really multitouch, just aliasing for the scroll Jul 30 15:52:09 Phazorx: sabayon linux? Jul 30 15:52:16 slonopotamus: yes Jul 30 15:52:20 4.1 gnome Jul 30 15:52:23 i c Jul 30 15:52:37 so it is not exactly the same but pretty close Jul 30 15:52:43 Phazorx: that should be just a matter of driver/X settings Jul 30 15:52:43 Phazorx: worth a question to meego-dev@meego.com i beleive Jul 30 15:53:02 but just to confirm - it is not even supposed to work Jul 30 15:53:08 and that is desired behavior as of now Jul 30 15:53:18 not some kind of malfunction/missconfiguration on my end? Jul 30 15:53:23 i work with handset stuff on singletouch, so not sure personally Jul 30 15:53:37 I'm not that familiar with the netbook UX but would be surprised if it was Jul 30 15:53:46 well most of netbooks support MT now Jul 30 15:53:50 Phazorx: if you didn't set up anything explicitely in sabayon, then meego just has smth broken Jul 30 15:54:09 Phazorx: i mean, anything related to described behavior Jul 30 15:54:18 hmm Jul 30 15:54:20 as it's really just a question of X/driver emitting scroll events (doesn't even touch on high-level stuff) Jul 30 15:54:25 i'll compare drivers i guess Jul 30 15:54:39 achipa: udev also maybe Jul 30 15:54:58 oh yeah... brightness controls are not wotking either Jul 30 15:55:03 while sound is fine Jul 30 15:55:14 looks like the ball is in udev court... Jul 30 15:55:26 Phazorx: i'd bet smth is different in udev setup Jul 30 15:55:31 slonopotamus: yeah, well, the mouses-with-funny-buttons sort of usual suspects :) Jul 30 15:56:24 or maybe that was x+hal stuff... meh, don't remember Jul 30 15:56:26 (still remembering the pain of setting up 7+ buttoned mice on ancient X configs) Jul 30 15:56:51 Phazorx: hal is easy to check. see how your touchpad is identified in sabayon and in gentoo Jul 30 15:56:54 err Jul 30 15:57:01 s/gentoo/meego/ Jul 30 15:57:10 0:-) Jul 30 15:57:29 the thing is i'm afraid rebooting the damn thing now Jul 30 15:57:42 but i'll have to at some point :/ Jul 30 15:57:56 BCE behavior is quite bizarre there Jul 30 15:58:55 Phazorx: hal-find-by-capability --capability input for start Jul 30 16:00:24 Phazorx: and next, hal-device Jul 30 16:00:50 Stskeeps: meego uses hal in X, isn't it? Jul 30 16:01:52 no Jul 30 16:01:55 udev Jul 30 16:01:55 Phazorx: does xev output smth when you press those buttons? Jul 30 16:02:23 okay, forget about hal :) xev still applie Jul 30 16:02:25 *s Jul 30 16:02:53 Phazorx: if it doesn't, does anything funky show up in dmesg when you press those buttons? Jul 30 16:03:50 * slonopotamus needs to strip hal from his desktop too, btw Jul 30 16:19:20 Is there a meego jobs board? Jul 30 16:21:42