**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 04 02:59:57 2010 Aug 04 03:09:18 /etc/resolv.conf no such file Aug 04 03:15:24 I'm glad the rootfs contains the full big buck bunny but no X Aug 04 03:16:33 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.0.80.11.20100720.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.0.80.11.20100720.1.packages Aug 04 03:16:41 according to this it was not installed Aug 04 03:16:49 maybe something went wrong with the build ? Aug 04 03:36:13 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.0.80.10.20100711.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.0.80.10.20100711.1.packages Aug 04 03:36:16 doesn't contain an xserver either Aug 04 03:36:44 is that expected in the meego handset n900 images ? Aug 04 03:36:50 would be nice if somebody could shed some light Aug 04 05:24:21 Hi , I want to know if Meego ahs real time capabilties Aug 04 05:25:54 we are working towards designing an IVI solution that requires an RTOS , just wanna know if meego has RTOS capabilities Aug 04 05:28:01 magie_01123: think that question might be more suitable for meego-dev@meego.com Aug 04 05:28:26 thanks Stskeeps Aug 04 05:46:39 Does Meego has support for bluray Aug 04 06:21:33 morning Aug 04 06:22:06 good morning Aug 04 06:24:40 http://pastebin.com/GAxYw8yN Aug 04 06:24:52 wow qwerty was pissed but he is right :) Aug 04 06:25:12 Macer: that is mostly dealing with maemo though Aug 04 06:25:24 i hope you guys manage to get something done with the unsupported n900 meego releases Aug 04 06:25:24 Macer: doesn't really belong in the place we try to fix things Aug 04 06:25:46 :) Aug 04 06:26:10 i mean, we have 4 closed components: 3d driver (that noone with a sane mind would want to modify), battery management, wifi and bt firmware on n900 Aug 04 06:26:13 .. and that's it Aug 04 06:26:48 well. then i hope it works out. because i cant help but agree with qwerty Aug 04 06:27:13 i don't disagree with him either, but it's not targetting this project, so it's a bit off topic :P Aug 04 06:27:48 it is a lesson that should be taken into consideration Aug 04 06:27:57 guess why we're here Aug 04 06:28:09 isn't just to look good :P Aug 04 06:28:42 anyways. i will keeop the n900 around to watch the meego progress on it... but looks like i will take the galaxy s route Aug 04 06:29:06 i don't personally care if you have an iphone or a n900 Aug 04 06:29:06 dont think i am going to buy a nokia ever again ;) Aug 04 06:29:06 :P Aug 04 06:29:15 this isn't a nokia channel either, so Aug 04 06:31:12 good luck with meego Stskeeps Aug 04 06:31:47 and i mean that in the nice way ;) Aug 04 07:28:27 kad: feel free to contribute to the packaging guidelines Aug 04 08:40:25 Does the current Meebo release have driver and application layer support for MOST(Media Oriented Systems Transport) Aug 04 09:42:02 is meego having support for driving multiple displays Aug 04 11:03:57 . Aug 04 11:27:47 is meego having handwriting recognition support Aug 04 13:26:33 DawnFoster: thanks for http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=615#c33 , a sane comment in what is otherwise absolutely insanity of a discussion later (woke up to the mails from bugzilla) Aug 04 13:27:22 bugzilla really isn't for discussions :) Aug 04 13:27:29 *made Aug 04 13:27:53 i'm quite sure my headache today started somewhere in reading those mails Aug 04 13:29:08 X-Fade, bugzilla can be used for the strangest things, I have seen it used recently as a VCS ;) Aug 04 13:49:58 Stskeeps: yeah, it was quite a discussion yesterday :) Aug 04 13:54:45 DawnFoster: hope it's not too early but i wanted to ask if we were on same page about one thing: that what is suggested re OBS also building for 'maemo' things isn't to put any kind of binaries/requirements of such into anything shipped as part of meego product/repo.meego releases Aug 04 13:54:58 (mainly asking because it sounded a little like that was the understanding in one of the comments) Aug 04 13:55:27 Stskeeps: I understand that, which is a big part of why it's such a gray area Aug 04 13:55:49 I actually think the LF might be ok with it based on some conversations with them yesterday Aug 04 13:56:33 we just need to be careful that once we one proprietary binary to the community obs, where do we draw the line at more? Aug 04 13:56:40 DawnFoster: agreed Aug 04 13:56:50 it gets slippery once you start Aug 04 13:57:02 in this particular case it's to grandfather a developer community in, similar to the compliance grandfathering Aug 04 13:57:27 and thanks for answering - i gotta go have dinner with my lovely wife now :) Aug 04 13:57:44 We should make it clear that it is just grandfathering though. Aug 04 13:58:25 And as N900 is an official reference platform, it makes sense that you can actually use it? Aug 04 13:58:43 X-Fade: sorry, didn't understand that one Aug 04 13:59:26 Sorry, completely messed up that sentence/thought ;) Aug 04 13:59:31 Stskeeps: have a nice dinner - tell the wife we all said hi :) Aug 04 14:00:00 X-Fade: agree on the grandfathering Aug 04 14:00:34 seems like i just got told to hold my horses on going out the door, so staying a bit :P Aug 04 14:00:37 DawnFoster: Also, we will make sure that the closed stuff is being hosted in an externally linked repository. Aug 04 14:01:06 yeah.. that's probably important as well Aug 04 14:03:38 thiago: hello. you stated the n900 image should have Xorg installed Aug 04 14:03:46 thiago: it obviously doesn't Aug 04 14:04:25 thiago: I looked into two of them, and in both rootfilesystem no xserver can be found. not either in the included install manifest Aug 04 14:04:39 thiago: I am starting to wonder if it is expected ? Aug 04 14:04:50 thiago: if you have a look at the logs you will see the links Aug 04 14:04:50 Jack_Herer: /usr/bin/Xorg is there for sure. Aug 04 14:05:10 X-Fade: an actual implementation wiki page might help things Aug 04 14:05:17 Stskeeps: 10bucks it is not. grab the raw image, mount it and you will see Aug 04 14:05:17 with pretty drawings of dataflow and such Aug 04 14:05:17 :P Aug 04 14:05:20 which binaries are required for building? Aug 04 14:05:54 Stskeeps: or just have a glance at the manifest. Aug 04 14:05:55 Jack_Herer: i'm from the n900 hardware adaptation team and i'd gladly bet 10 bucks there's an xorg in our images Aug 04 14:05:56 Stskeeps: Yes, that might be needed. If only the days had more hours :) Aug 04 14:05:57 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.0.80.10.20100711.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.0.80.10.20100711.1.packages Aug 04 14:06:25 Stskeeps: :) Aug 04 14:06:36 Stskeeps: but why does that packages manifest not mention it ? Aug 04 14:06:38 Jack_Herer: ah, you have one where xorg wasn't in comps.xml Aug 04 14:06:44 Stskeeps: and why can I not find the binary in the images ? Aug 04 14:06:57 Stskeeps: I tried all two of them Aug 04 14:07:18 Stskeeps: I checked the entire trunk directory for the armv7 handeet builds. there are only those two and both do not have xorg binaries Aug 04 14:07:26 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.0.80.11.20100720.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.0.80.11.20100720.1.packages Aug 04 14:07:31 here's the other one I've spottedf Aug 04 14:07:55 s/handeet/handset/ sorry Aug 04 14:08:42 Jack_Herer: it seems like there's a problem with release management's use of comps.xml, could you file a bug about this? Aug 04 14:09:01 we clearly have @Minimal MeeGo X Window System Aug 04 14:09:02 Stskeeps: after I boot those images I get 3 stuck uxinit processes. I think it might be related to Xorg lack Aug 04 14:09:08 which should include Xorg Aug 04 14:09:10 and i agree Aug 04 14:09:17 Stskeeps: sure can Aug 04 14:09:17 i guess i owe you a beer if you come to dublin Aug 04 14:09:38 i believe the bet was 10bucks :P Aug 04 14:09:39 :) Aug 04 14:10:03 lol lcuk Aug 04 14:10:05 he will order a very rare fine beer Aug 04 14:10:34 or a cheap one depending on currency conversion :P Aug 04 14:10:35 dunno the prices in dublin but here about it doesnt even need to be a rare fine beer to set you back 10 bucks :P Aug 04 14:10:48 Stskeeps: I have to run now. I will file the bug soon as I am back home. do you know where I can get a working n900 handset image in the meantime ? Aug 04 14:11:07 generate one on your own is best idea Aug 04 14:11:32 Stskeeps: does it need a special sdk version for the recent n900 netbook ? Aug 04 14:12:01 n900 isn't a netbook Aug 04 14:12:14 handset.. my bad Aug 04 14:13:12 no, just mic2 and qemu-arm Aug 04 14:13:28 mic2.. let's see what I donwloaded there the other day Aug 04 14:13:43 * lardman wonders where to start with a fortnight's worth of expenses receipts to claim Aug 04 14:13:47 Stskeeps: meego-sdk-0524.tar.bz2 Aug 04 14:13:52 bbl Aug 04 14:13:59 Jack_Herer: generally a fedora 12 VM is weapon of choice Aug 04 14:14:25 Stskeeps: my host computer runs ubuntu lucid lynx Aug 04 14:14:57 Jack_Herer: yes, so does mine Aug 04 14:15:01 i have a fedora 12 chroot Aug 04 14:15:29 ttyl Aug 04 14:15:29 ok I guess I should read up on it Aug 04 16:18:39 We just opened up the call for papers for the MeeGo conference in November: http://conference2010.meego.com/ Aug 04 16:19:01 cool Aug 04 16:19:10 anyone who wants to speak at the event needs to submit a proposal before Aug 23 Aug 04 16:19:13 isnt it call for presentations Aug 04 16:19:42 we're calling is a call for session proposals Aug 04 16:20:06 DawnFoster, that page looks really cool and bright Aug 04 16:20:28 it's cool Aug 04 16:20:40 and totally awesome actually, but its somewhat eep inducing to see the jpeg artifacts on the lower graphics ! Aug 04 16:21:09 hmm, we need to clean those up Aug 04 16:21:12 the meego on the stadium looks positively ill Aug 04 16:21:41 how about using a graphics-format like png instead of jpeg? Aug 04 16:23:30 increasing brightness on my monitor hides them somwhat! Aug 04 16:23:39 We also have a twitter account for the event for those of you who are into that http://twitter.com/MeeGoConference Aug 04 16:25:58 DawnFoster, there is a load of decent info in the logistics area, well thought out! :D Aug 04 16:26:30 DawnFoster: Session proposals will be accepted starting August 1st and will close September 1st. Aug 04 16:26:31 we can thank Amy for that - she's great with those kinds of details! Aug 04 16:26:36 DawnFoster: according to page Aug 04 16:26:51 thank you Amy whoever you are! Aug 04 16:30:31 DawnFoster: also, wiki page 'Anyone who wants to speak at the conference must submit a proposal! ' points to dev.conference2010.meego.com Aug 04 16:30:38 i guess i can fix that one Aug 04 16:30:59 but the dates are clearly out of sync on wiki and on page as well Aug 04 16:32:53 Yeah, I'm working on getting the text changed on the session proposals. They forgot to give me admin access on the production site, and I can't edit it :( Aug 04 16:33:06 :nod: Aug 04 16:33:08 just pointing out :) Aug 04 16:33:19 can start organising trip myself now as well Aug 04 16:35:57 it's also cool that we can see session proposals as they come in Aug 04 16:36:27 will you be collecting metrics on this, by chance? could be valuable to see when things were submitted/how close to deadline, etc Aug 04 16:41:47 good idea - I'll look at doing some metrics for the event Aug 04 16:42:15 or people indicating attendance Aug 04 16:42:24 hi again Aug 04 16:51:01 so many people in here already ? have people started to develope application already ? damn Aug 04 16:51:28 JenniferB: develop in qt or libmeegotouch :) go nuts Aug 04 16:51:35 so what is this for ? Aug 04 16:51:43 operating system developement ? Aug 04 16:53:42 all sorts of stuff Aug 04 16:53:56 community, app development, platform discussion Aug 04 17:00:30 * VDVsx spams about the CfP :D Aug 04 17:01:06 JenniferB: you can also win a pint of beer Aug 04 17:01:11 to nokia lists? prolly a good idea Aug 04 17:01:27 Stskeeps, yes, ehehe Aug 04 17:04:44 anyone can help me with convincing BCD to boot meego off logical partition? Aug 04 17:05:26 * VDVsx likes the meego conference site footer image :D Aug 04 17:07:09 * Jaffa wonders if a slew of proposals in a month might be a *bit* optimistic for a platform which hasn't really taken off yet Aug 04 17:07:56 jaffa, we'll see, otherwise we'll have a lot of lightning talks Aug 04 17:08:13 Stskeeps: /me nods Aug 04 17:08:54 We could just have qwerty12's rant read out by James Earl Jones with some appropriate background music Aug 04 17:09:33 heheheheheh Aug 04 17:21:42 what is the registration site URL for MeeGo Conference 2010 ? Aug 04 17:24:27 MeeGo_Conference_2010 references Aug 1st for having registration site up, maybe it needs a URL or adjustment Aug 04 17:27:56 registration should be available later this week Aug 04 17:28:30 Jaffa, a Dramatic Reading? ;) Aug 04 17:31:09 hello guys... im customizing garage and when i load too many applications from my list into the application i exceed dbus limits... can anyone help me to fix this? http://pastie.org/1075485 Aug 04 17:32:38 luist, what kind of rules are you adding ? filters Aug 04 17:33:09 odin_: no idea... i just made a custom list/ repository for garage Aug 04 17:34:30 luist, maybe: /etc/dbus-1/session.conf and max_match_rules_per_connection ? Aug 04 17:36:16 odin_: i tried editing that but made no difference Aug 04 17:36:24 odin_: added two zeroes Aug 04 17:36:40 try three zeroes Aug 04 17:36:42 luist, /etc/init.d/messagebus restart Aug 04 17:36:58 odin_: well i rebooted if that makes any difference :P Aug 04 17:37:42 Stskeeps, we need fewer talks and more collab sessions Aug 04 17:38:30 ScottishDuck: that makes no sense ... with 10 fewer applications in the list it always work Aug 04 17:38:37 nah lets have holywar sessions, topic: "Which is best Intel or ARM?" Aug 04 17:38:50 ARM for embedded Aug 04 17:38:56 it's not much of a discussion Aug 04 17:38:59 GAN900: think there is space for that too. we say session Aug 04 17:39:41 MeeGo Conference 2010: Holywar Sessions, Topic: "Which is best Intel or ARM (for universe domination) ?" Aug 04 17:39:46 GAN900, putting a proposal for a collaborative session is just as viable i believe - it requires a topic and outline though just like a regular talk Aug 04 17:40:23 hell, you could propose a greek wedding if you like Aug 04 17:40:25 :D Aug 04 17:41:35 What makes you think Intel is even interested in Meego on ARM? Aug 04 17:42:20 RST38h, who tel ? Aug 04 17:42:45 we're also going to have plenty of room for unconference discussions Aug 04 17:43:11 lcuk, OK then. Aug 04 17:43:13 and yes, please post ideas for collaborative discussions in the call for sessions Aug 04 17:43:26 that's why we called them sessions and not presentations Aug 04 17:43:50 MeeGo Conference 2010: Turbo Talk Topic: "How to setup your own OBS in 30 minutes" Aug 04 17:44:51 what i want is Pre MeeGo Conference: How to get sponsored to MeeGo Conference 2010 Aug 04 17:45:39 you missed that timeless, it was last week Aug 04 17:46:57 Meego Summer Seminar 2010 :D Aug 04 17:47:32 timeless: On the registration page (which isn't live yet) you can request to have your travel sponsored. Aug 04 17:48:00 we'll see how many people request it and how much budget is available to decide who gets sponsored Aug 04 17:48:31 [x] Travel sponsored: envisages he will get a rowing boat :) Aug 04 17:48:41 I'll probably try to talk quim into doing that piece, since it should be similar to how he handled things last year :) Aug 04 17:49:13 odin_: how did you know that was our preferred travel? Aug 04 17:49:15 DawnFoster, i seem to recall Jaffa doing that last time! Aug 04 17:49:23 and stressing quite considerably Aug 04 17:49:42 as long as I don't have to stress out about it. Aug 04 17:49:46 (kidding) Aug 04 17:50:10 DawnFoster, community council handed out sponsorships. Aug 04 17:50:19 Quim did it in 2008, though. Aug 04 17:51:35 when I say Quim can coordinate it that doesn't mean he can't delegate some of it out to other people Aug 04 17:51:55 maybe a committee or something Aug 04 17:52:11 we have time to figure out how to handle that part Aug 04 18:03:17 DawnFoster: As said, we did it in the council last time: anyone presenting got approved if they asked, then each council member voted and the results anonymously published. We took into account (shush) karma, products, standing, contributions, past experience etc. Aug 04 18:03:37 DawnFoster: I can dig out how many people we processed for a conference of 400 Aug 04 18:04:01 jaffa: sure, thanks Aug 04 18:04:17 DawnFoster: Should give an indication of rough percentage of people who asked. Complications come from budget being fixed but each flight varying Aug 04 18:04:35 DawnFoster: We also excluded any Nokians: they had to go to their line manager. Aug 04 18:05:24 bah! ;) Aug 04 18:05:34 We'll also want to exclude Intel / Nokia from this process Aug 04 18:07:11 DawnFoster: As Intel/Nokia/none-of-the-above are equal I'd expect more "it's my job, can I come?" Aug 04 18:07:16 * Jaffa would say if it's someone's job, it's their employer who should pay - in general. Aug 04 18:09:05 Jaffa: agreed - corporate types can afford to pay their own travel :) Aug 04 18:09:46 We're also limiting the number of Intel / Nokia people allowed to attend to make sure that we get plenty of other people Aug 04 18:09:54 However, what if an Nokian or Intelligensia are oging above and beyond and actively in the community? Aug 04 18:10:00 Ah, cool. Aug 04 18:10:30 even if they go above & beyond, Intel and Nokia can afford to pay travel Aug 04 18:10:51 Jaffa, was around 40 sponsored participants IIRC (some with just accommodation and others just the trip ) Aug 04 18:12:49 VDVsx: I think it was 50-odd, but order of magnitude about right. Interesting question is how many *asked* Aug 04 18:13:39 and how many of thosde were speakers Aug 04 18:14:04 * Jaffa nods. Aug 04 18:14:19 * Jaffa tries to get Google Docs up on his N900 over GPRS Aug 04 18:26:42 anybody uses win7 any chance on more or less advanced level? Aug 04 18:27:28 i'm trying to befreind samsung n150 with meego but having a lot of issues caused by proprietary vendor software on hidden partition and BCD Aug 04 18:28:28 and EasyBCD is not your friend ? Aug 04 18:28:48 well... bcd keeps overwriting meegoo's bootloader invoked by "restore solution" automatically and it is using 3 primary partitions for that... which makes not possible to use BCD to boot from logical partition Aug 04 18:29:31 so i am wondering if i sac windows loader along with bcd - will it render win7 unusable to full capacity? Aug 04 18:29:54 will wake/unhibernate functionality will be lost or something? Aug 04 18:30:11 have you tried using EasyBSD to resolve bootup issues ? Aug 04 18:30:25 or perhaps extlin or grub are smart enough to take care of that? Aug 04 18:30:29 opps EasyBCD Aug 04 18:30:53 sure the Linux stuff is "smart" enough to deal with Linux/BSD/open-source things Aug 04 18:30:55 odin_: i'm at stage of trying to avoid bootup issues Aug 04 18:31:21 but not "stupid" enough to follow Microsoft's (undocumented?) conventions for each operating system Aug 04 18:31:24 so no i have not tried messing with easybcd aside of looking at startup scenaros which there are many there Aug 04 18:32:14 i studied bcdedit manual though, which made me convinced that easybcd is not going to "take care of all my problems" Aug 04 18:32:26 you need a bootloader that understand how to deal with Win7 that can instruct/fool Win7 that everything is ok and just bootup Aug 04 18:32:46 well yes... so do i have choices other than bcd? Aug 04 18:32:53 I'm not aware of any MeeGo packaged bootloader that can address this matter Aug 04 18:33:39 well EasyBCD is a bootloader in its own right, it just understand Microsoft disk layout formats and file-systems to make things work Aug 04 18:34:17 as far as i can understand it uses BCD as loader Aug 04 18:34:35 abd easybcd just a more convieniet way to edit scenarios/scripts for bcd Aug 04 18:34:57 yes Windows uses BCD, but "EasyBCD" is a neosmart.net software item Aug 04 18:35:27 i mean BCD = loader, EasyBCD = loader script editing software Aug 04 18:35:29 that is not how I understand EasyBCD to work, it put its own bootloader in place and sets up some working space on the C:\ to copy/setup stuff Aug 04 18:35:42 or easybcd includes some other loader Aug 04 18:36:02 hmm... i better read manual for easybcd then Aug 04 18:36:02 I believe it installs its own Aug 04 18:36:21 even if it has no UI it just doe the work of how you configure it Aug 04 18:36:23 thanks let's hope it has one Aug 04 18:36:50 is there an image that can be used for meego's extlinux? Aug 04 18:38:14 or i just instruct extlinux to put loader locally on boot partition wo messing MBR and then easybcd just needs first 512bytes of that? Aug 04 18:38:52 worst case scenario you should be able to place vmlinux and initrd on the C:\ and tell it to boot that Aug 04 18:39:20 but I suspect you can just install GRUB in the rootfs, and have EasyBCD run that when you pick Linux on bootup Aug 04 18:39:55 any reason why meego uses extlinux instead of grub btw? Aug 04 18:40:41 I'm sure I did know why at one point but grub exists as a package and is installable Aug 04 18:41:01 heh Aug 04 18:41:19 install it and use setup(hd0,X) on your rootfs Aug 04 18:41:27 i just thought of trying to avoid finding out the hard way tthat reason Aug 04 18:41:49 then reboot Win7 and setup EasyBSD Aug 04 18:41:55 Phazorx: probably a combo of fastboot and that the author works for intel Aug 04 18:41:59 I keep doing that... s/BSD/BCD/ Aug 04 18:42:04 and legacy Aug 04 18:42:15 odin_: probably have to do it oter way Aug 04 18:42:27 if i manage to get rid of recovery partition 1st Aug 04 18:42:39 because currently after win is loaded linxpartition is lost Aug 04 18:43:25 well its easier to point EasyBCD at a rootfs with embded boot sector and it is to fudge the first MeeGo bootup to install grub, to then reconfigure EasyBCD, making grub works, will make kernel upgrades easier Aug 04 18:43:36 Stskeeps: will same aproach work with extlin+easybcd as what odin_ described for grub? Aug 04 18:43:52 Phazorx: i have no clue about x86 side of meego sorry Aug 04 18:43:56 meego arm guy Aug 04 18:44:01 heh Aug 04 18:44:03 lucky you :) Aug 04 18:44:52 it is certainly a challenge at times Aug 04 18:45:14 i think in this world one finds challenges everywhere one goes Aug 04 18:45:28 is your laptop Atom CPU ? the "N" as first letter of model is CPU code and all N-series are atoms ? Aug 04 18:46:28 yeah n450 based Aug 04 18:46:35 meego works fine Aug 04 18:46:37 cyas Aug 04 18:46:45 just cant make it stick to HD Aug 04 18:47:16 and samsung is a bit weird about their numbering and generatrions Aug 04 18:47:36 n120-130-140 are N280 based for example Aug 04 18:48:06 oh, that makes perfect sense! Aug 04 18:48:32 and n150 is pretty much same design wise as n140 but totaly different inside and sucks 2-3 more hurs from same battery Aug 04 18:58:13 evening Aug 04 18:58:45 afternoon Aug 04 18:58:49 (in 3 mins) Aug 04 18:58:54 ??werdup?? Aug 04 18:59:59 night Aug 04 19:00:31 morning (for the next 1 min) Aug 04 19:07:13 DawnFoster: any objections to putting a correct TSG meeting date in topic? Aug 04 19:08:07 Stskeeps: sure - or should we remove it and just put a link to the IRC meeting schedule? Aug 04 19:08:26 DawnFoster: think that maintains itself better, yeah Aug 04 19:08:42 the important thing is the technical meetings (which i'd like to see more of personally), TSG is last resort for questions :) Aug 04 19:08:48 otherwise, we'll just continue to forget to update it :) Aug 04 19:09:30 Stskeeps: agreed! I've been trying to get people to have more technical meetings Aug 04 19:10:24 DawnFoster: i think the handset ux guys might be motivated if you want some guinea pigs since many of them already hang out here Aug 04 19:10:59 Stskeeps: I've been working on them - I'm trying to get Pierre to organize it Aug 04 19:11:08 :nod: Aug 04 19:11:28 which reminds me we haven't had a meeting in n900 in a while either Aug 04 19:12:39 oh, right, was fixing topic Aug 04 19:15:11 Stskeeps, is it possible to have an account to the obs for the pyside guys ? Aug 04 19:15:49 Khertan: i don't do anything related to that, but there's a bug area for build service requests Aug 04 19:16:06 i though it was you sorry ... Aug 04 19:16:14 i m running to ask to lbt so :) Aug 04 19:16:21 ah, you mean community OBS Aug 04 19:16:25 yep this one Aug 04 19:16:32 sorry i was not clear ... :) Aug 04 19:16:41 you have to be careful about specifying OBS'es Aug 04 19:16:46 to be exact it s for renato from the #pyside chan Aug 04 19:16:58 i got meego obs and some other obs'es mixed up at some point and ended up on a team where i was put to do work i wasn't supposed to do Aug 04 19:17:00 who have just join us :) Aug 04 19:17:02 :P Aug 04 19:17:03 cos of that mistake ;) Aug 04 19:17:06 Khertan: we spoke Aug 04 19:17:35 on th eml Aug 04 19:18:16 Khertan: how do you like OBS, out of curiousity? Aug 04 19:19:49 lbt: on a sidenote.. how do people do builds for maemo5 and meego with same package? Aug 04 19:19:56 .diff.gz+dsc plus spec? Aug 04 19:20:45 Stskeeps, i like it exept that python module building need some docs Aug 04 19:20:45 yup Aug 04 19:20:59 which didn't exists on suse wiki Aug 04 19:21:00 :) Aug 04 19:21:14 and there's a naming we can do "pkg.meego.spec" "pkg.suse.spec" Aug 04 19:21:22 ah, nice Aug 04 19:21:35 Stskeeps, i wasn't able to build for meego as pyqt4 or pyside aren't available yet ;) Aug 04 19:21:44 so this is why i ask an account for renato :) Aug 04 19:21:51 Khertan: :nod: Aug 04 19:21:55 to have pyside in meego obs :) Aug 04 19:22:12 i wonder if bindings could exist for libmeegotouch Aug 04 19:22:13 i must go on wife is back Aug 04 19:22:16 bye :) Aug 04 19:22:32 Stskeeps, pyqt4 is enough :) Aug 04 19:22:48 specifics libs is the wrong way and break the main goal of qt Aug 04 19:23:02 Stskeeps, we are working on python bindings to libmeegotouch at the moment Aug 04 19:23:09 hey renato Aug 04 19:23:18 hi Aug 04 19:23:19 why not keeping hildon if this is for making custom lib Aug 04 19:23:19 :) Aug 04 19:23:25 so anyway ... bye :) Aug 04 19:23:27 please keep nagging me about pyside Aug 04 19:24:10 I probably won't remember that you asked... too busy... but I won't mind "is it ready yet" every few days... Aug 04 19:25:07 lbt, is it ready yet? :D Aug 04 19:25:24 no... and that's your go for this week ;) Aug 04 19:25:38 hahaha Aug 04 19:25:44 I got the favicon working though!! Aug 04 19:31:03 lbt: yay for small victories Aug 04 19:33:15 hrm... was there a topic change 11 linues ago? Aug 04 19:33:28 and another one 20 min ago? Aug 04 19:33:39 i seem to get d/ced every time it happens :| Aug 04 19:34:49 there was one topic change 20 minutes ago Aug 04 19:35:07 nothing happened 11 minutes ago Aug 04 19:36:12 yes Aug 04 20:48:27 hi, is lbt here , or x-fade, about the meego community OBS ? Aug 04 20:49:08 hi Aug 04 20:49:37 hi lbt, i have a few small packages, like to try meego obs on them Aug 04 20:49:57 OK ... we're still in a beta stage at the moment Aug 04 20:50:06 yes i'm aware of that Aug 04 20:50:19 my pacakges are alpha or beta Aug 04 20:50:25 so the focus is on people who know the OBS and have time to get involved in helping fix it Aug 04 20:50:37 i can do that Aug 04 20:51:05 cool - have you used OBS before? Aug 04 20:51:19 i make meego rpms now on my machine, but has stuff on it that obs doesnt Aug 04 20:51:30 i use the opensuse obs, have some stuff there Aug 04 20:54:10 I msg'ed you berndhs... Aug 04 20:54:29 ok Aug 04 21:08:16 hey DawnFoster and TSCHAKeee Aug 04 22:17:50 brb, installing 10.5.8 :) Aug 04 22:37:49 nite all, sweet dreams Aug 04 23:19:15 * CosmoHill swears Aug 04 23:19:29 Updated from Tiger to Leopard Aug 04 23:19:41 forgot about things like PHP, MySQL and my printers etc Aug 04 23:21:26 Well at least you don't upgrade at release Aug 04 23:21:35 I sure won't be doing that again Aug 04 23:21:41 hehe Aug 04 23:21:48 yum remove leopard; yum install meego Aug 04 23:22:08 threezero: do you have a powerpc build of meego to install? Aug 04 23:22:30 nope, ppc is dead Aug 04 23:22:41 or at least dying Aug 04 23:22:47 * CosmoHill hugs his powerbook Aug 04 23:22:58 * CosmoHill catches on fire Aug 04 23:23:01 haha Aug 04 23:24:59 power7 will reclaim the desktop market Aug 04 23:25:04 Intel doesn't stand a chance Aug 04 23:25:35 I'm imagining you saying that with a scottish accent, using "quack" sounds Aug 04 23:25:43 hahahaha Aug 04 23:25:48 lol Aug 04 23:25:51 damn you, auke Aug 04 23:25:56 it'll take me weeks to get that image out of my head Aug 04 23:25:56 braveheart here Aug 04 23:26:13 intel is the english and power7 is the scotish Aug 04 23:26:30 haha Aug 04 23:27:16 still getting used to leopard Aug 04 23:28:31 All those innovative features Aug 04 23:30:22 new icons, shiny things, differenet colour stuff Aug 04 23:33:48 damn hamster Aug 04 23:33:51 * CosmoHill cleans up Aug 05 01:25:21 hi Aug 05 01:25:57 * peb is gone. Gone since Wed Aug 4 19:38:00 2010 Aug 05 01:30:05 hello Aug 05 01:30:17 * CosmoHill puts two large books on Freddy's cage Aug 05 01:45:29 cyas Aug 05 01:57:10 Hi, everyone. I got problem when developing programs with meego-touch-framework Aug 05 01:57:56 there is always a status bar at the top, how can I delete it? Aug 05 01:58:42 your help will be appreciated! Aug 05 02:06:40