**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 17 02:59:57 2010
Aug 17 03:14:59 <alex_> hi, who knows that how to install " pyqt" using yum?
Aug 17 03:37:36 <alex_> anybody here???
Aug 17 04:09:02 <ali1234> wow i think my OBS is building something!!!
Aug 17 04:09:07 <ljp> I'm here
Aug 17 04:09:11 <ali1234> amazing....
Aug 17 04:09:28 <ali1234> ljp: he quit :(
Aug 17 04:10:05 <ljp> heh
Aug 17 04:26:32 <ali1234> cool, it succeeded in compiling binutils
Aug 17 04:26:43 <ali1234> that's like 95% of the battle :)
Aug 17 05:13:09 <ali1234> hmm so gcc failed to build because a patch didn't apply
Aug 17 05:13:16 <ali1234> maybe i should use trunk instead 1.0.1
Aug 17 06:39:28 <ali1234> this sucks. build.opensuse.org is down, so i can't use my obs.
Aug 17 06:45:21 <johnx> is there some central event handling daemon on meego that deals with things such as: "user hit the power button" or "battery is critically low"
Aug 17 07:02:06 <johnx> so is power management handled differently on every machine running meego? What ever happened to OHM?
Aug 17 07:07:43 <sofar> johnx: planned for merging afaik
Aug 17 07:08:14 <johnx> ah, cool
Aug 17 07:08:56 <johnx> so that's going to be used on ARM and x86?
Aug 17 07:09:07 <sofar> yes
Aug 17 07:11:01 <johnx> while I'm bothering you, :) do you happen to know how if there will be something similar to cron (or nokia's alarmd)?
Aug 17 07:11:29 <Ux4ever> hi,
Aug 17 07:11:50 <sofar> johnx: cron for now, not sure what later
Aug 17 07:15:28 <Ux4ever> vgrade : hello, I tried yesterday evening some test with my archos A9
Aug 17 07:15:53 <Ux4ever> I read your several post with _BuBu, but I got some errors :-(
Aug 17 07:17:13 <_BuBU> Hi Ux4ever
Aug 17 07:39:31 <hena> ½.
Aug 17 08:55:02 <niala> morning rain :/
Aug 17 09:18:05 <th3hate> Stskeeps, will meego(.com) release contain intell appUp store?
Aug 17 09:53:17 <lbt> fabo: no, you didn't
Aug 17 09:53:23 <lbt> we were waiting for you
Aug 17 09:53:44 <lbt> can you join #meego-dev though
Aug 17 09:53:58 <fabo> lbt: I'm in meego-dev
Aug 17 09:54:08 <fabo> hmmm no ...
Aug 17 09:55:38 <slaine> Stskeeps: I assume armv5 builds are targetting the n8x0 devices ???
Aug 17 09:55:44 <CosmoHill> morning
Aug 17 09:55:53 <slaine> morning CosmoHill
Aug 17 09:57:21 <Stskeeps> slaine: it is, but if we don't meet our goals with the production obs, even n8x0 is irrelevant
Aug 17 09:57:25 <Stskeeps> :P
Aug 17 09:59:00 <slaine> hehe
Aug 17 09:59:04 <slaine> yup, just checking
Aug 17 10:03:38 <CosmoHill> salut tekojo
Aug 17 10:04:15 <tekojo> CosmoHill: hi, funny thing how ripping the ethernet cable disconnects irc
Aug 17 10:04:37 <CosmoHill> haha
Aug 17 10:06:46 <tekojo> also closing the irc client disconnects irc, where do I file a bug?
Aug 17 10:07:16 <CosmoHill> tekojo: go to bugs.meego.com then close your web broswer
Aug 17 10:07:35 <tekojo> ah, I also closed the browser accidentally back there
Aug 17 10:08:13 <sivu> argh
Aug 17 10:08:14 <CosmoHill> are you on a desktop or a laptop?
Aug 17 10:08:26 <sivu> where does the OBS get the downloadurl for buildinfo
Aug 17 10:09:02 <sivu> i searched every config for the solution but still get wrong ip listed and so local builds fail
Aug 17 10:09:10 <tekojo> CosmoHill: laptop, or netbook to be precise
Aug 17 10:09:43 <CosmoHill> it would be a strech to say you'd knock out the power cable and have a flat battery at the same time
Aug 17 10:10:02 <tekojo> CosmoHill: I certainly can try!
Aug 17 10:10:55 <lcuk> CosmoHill, he said accidentally closed browser.  it occured when the netbook fell to the floor after catching the power lead with his leg and the ensuing dive to try and catch stuff managed a cascade effect in the offices
Aug 17 10:11:27 <tekojo> lcuk: ethernet cable :)
Aug 17 10:11:39 <lcuk> thats a good point
Aug 17 10:11:45 <lcuk> moral being: use wifi :p
Aug 17 10:13:05 <tekojo> I really blame danielwilms, he wanted the eth cable
Aug 17 10:23:30 <lcuk> lol tekojo
Aug 17 11:13:14 * CosmoHill offers tea
Aug 17 11:13:51 * LokisSword accepts gracefully
Aug 17 11:14:00 <LokisSword> Hi
Aug 17 11:15:00 <LokisSword> I've recently received a Joggler and have been trying out various distros. Looking to try meego.
Aug 17 11:15:18 <CosmoHill> you're in luck
Aug 17 11:15:51 <CosmoHill> LokisSword: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiGxx8DXkEI
Aug 17 11:20:14 <LokisSword> Cosmohill: interesting, does meego currently have an on-screen keyboard? Or still need yen keyboard.
Aug 17 11:20:33 <CosmoHill> I think he was using a real keyboard in that video
Aug 17 11:20:37 <LokisSword> Yen = usb
Aug 17 11:21:41 <LokisSword> What is video playback performance like on meego?
Aug 17 11:22:03 <timeless> meego is a software platform...
Aug 17 11:22:16 <LokisSword> UI looked fairly snappy in that video
Aug 17 11:22:21 <timeless> w/o a hardware platform, you can't usually have concrete numbers for anything
Aug 17 11:23:24 <leinir> LokisSword: Well, that's a Joggler, which is a fairly powerful piece of hardware :)
Aug 17 11:23:27 <LokisSword> Excuse my Linux noobness, meego is just a windowing manager / shell on a Linux base?
Aug 17 11:23:48 <CosmoHill> newbyness
Aug 17 11:23:53 <leinir> Not quite...
Aug 17 11:23:58 <CosmoHill> n00b = moron
Aug 17 11:24:07 <CosmoHill> newbie = someone who is new to something
Aug 17 11:24:11 <leinir> It's more involved than that...
Aug 17 11:24:37 <LokisSword> Liner, yuppie I've just got one, running unr on it with xbmc, etc. It's a nice bit of kit.
Aug 17 11:25:03 <leinir> ehrm... i'm not a pool base ;)
Aug 17 11:25:13 <LokisSword> Linir, sorry.
Aug 17 11:25:23 <leinir> leinir, try tab completion ;)
Aug 17 11:25:35 <CosmoHill> oh that's right, I have a pentium 4 >.<
Aug 17 11:25:44 <LokisSword> Crappy, sorry on my phone on a tram.. excuse poor typing.
Aug 17 11:26:40 <chakie_work> CosmoHill: first time i see that distinction between newbie and n00b
Aug 17 11:26:56 <CosmoHill> really?
Aug 17 11:27:04 <CosmoHill> it's one of my pet hates when people getting wrong
Aug 17 11:27:14 <chakie_work> n00b is just a l33t version of newbie
Aug 17 11:27:43 <CosmoHill> http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20060823
Aug 17 11:30:11 <leinir> chakie_work: not entirely - context has redefined the term
Aug 17 11:30:39 <chakie_work> context gives different meaning to many words
Aug 17 11:30:40 <leinir> newbie is a mild derogative, whereas n00b is much more harsh :)
Aug 17 11:31:15 <chakie_work> i call myself a n00b when it comes to most computer related things
Aug 17 11:32:17 <leinir> *nods* A saying i use a lot is that context is everything
Aug 17 11:35:49 * CosmoHill makes a note that when someone goes "I\m a n00b" to respond with "yes, yes you are"
Aug 17 11:37:07 <CosmoHill> tekojo: I bet for your birthday you want a ethernet cable that still has them plastic clips on
Aug 17 11:37:33 <tekojo> no, this time I was stupid enough to update fedora 13 to KDE 4.5
Aug 17 11:37:39 <tekojo> it seems to need a reboot
Aug 17 11:38:03 * CosmoHill wonders why he's download VMware workstation 7 when he has the latest Virtualbox
Aug 17 11:38:57 <CosmoHill> 570MB vs 70MB
Aug 17 11:52:02 * tekojo sees another restart coming my way
Aug 17 11:52:23 <timeless> crypto?
Aug 17 12:15:12 <CosmoHill> someone in LFS is asking if he can charge for his distro
Aug 17 12:15:29 <CosmoHill> I'm I correct in assuming that he can't charge for open source software (GPL)
Aug 17 12:15:49 <rwhitby> you can charge as much as you like for GPL software
Aug 17 12:16:12 <sharpneli> Yeah. There is nothing stopping from charging from a distro.
Aug 17 12:16:16 <rwhitby> but you must give the source code for reasonable distribution costs only, so the price tends towards zero
Aug 17 12:16:30 <rwhitby> (as 1000 other people can then sell it for half your price, and so on)
Aug 17 12:16:32 <CosmoHill> I shell tell him this
Aug 17 12:17:10 <sharpneli> rwhitby: Only after you've sold it. So you can charge loads of cash for it. Though anyone who receives a copy from the original purchaser has also right to ask the sources.
Aug 17 12:18:00 <rwhitby> right, you can charge $1M for the first copy, but must then give the source to the person who bought it.  They can recoup the cost by selling 1M copies at $1 each.
Aug 17 12:18:18 <sharpneli> Yep.
Aug 17 12:18:23 <rwhitby> (or any other permutation as market forces allow)
Aug 17 12:18:55 <sharpneli> The best method is probably doing as redhat enterprise is doing. Sell support and access to the repo.
Aug 17 12:19:07 <Macer> oracle killed opensolaris
Aug 17 12:19:11 <Macer> :(
Aug 17 12:19:15 <sharpneli> As you're only obligated to give the source, not nicely compilet packages.
Aug 17 12:20:15 <Macer> sharpneli: so the trick is to make the code so completely unfollowable that it can not be understood :)
Aug 17 12:20:58 <Macer> make 10,000 lines of equations just to make "Hello World" heh
Aug 17 12:21:01 <th3hate> NGEN
Aug 17 12:21:53 <Macer> follow a completely random structure and implement completely unrelated things into code files
Aug 17 12:21:58 <CosmoHill> there is a programming language called "brainfuck"
Aug 17 12:22:19 <CosmoHill> i think it's like morse code with a compiler
Aug 17 12:22:28 <Macer> CosmoHill: hah
Aug 17 12:22:44 <CosmoHill> one of the lecturers put it on the software requirment list at uni :/
Aug 17 12:23:07 <Macer> hahaha
Aug 17 12:23:10 <smoku> CosmoHill, try Whitespace :)
Aug 17 12:23:47 <CosmoHill> C, C#, C++, F90, Brainfuck, AS3, Java
Aug 17 12:24:13 <smoku> CosmoHill, language using SPACE, TAB, CR, LF to write commands. every other (printable) character is a comment :)
Aug 17 12:24:18 <Tumi_> whitespace is nice =)
Aug 17 12:24:20 <CosmoHill> I hope that doesn't come up as a random quote on the logs
Aug 17 12:24:21 <timeless> brainfuck is fairly standard
Aug 17 12:24:42 <CosmoHill> smoku: oh dear lord
Aug 17 12:25:07 <CosmoHill> timeless: I think he only wants it to see the reaction of the first year students
Aug 17 12:25:25 <CosmoHill> "omg you can swear infront of a lecturer!"
Aug 17 12:26:09 <TermanaN900> fairly standard? sure, as long as you like slashing your wrists
Aug 17 12:26:39 <CosmoHill> BrainF**k, the language of emos!
Aug 17 12:27:39 <smoku> CosmoHill, actually I think learning bf is very usefull. it teaches you a certain way of thinking. kind of brute-force using limmited tools approach.
Aug 17 12:28:06 <CosmoHill> i read that as boyfriend :/
Aug 17 12:29:06 <epx> masochism :)
Aug 17 12:29:18 <sx0n> smoku, i thought that is what java is for
Aug 17 12:30:20 <smoku> sx0n, depends how you define limitted, isn't it? :)
Aug 17 12:31:55 * CosmoHill gives armika a cookie
Aug 17 12:32:02 * rwhitby is enjoying the Whitespace LRM
Aug 17 12:33:31 <sx0n> smoku, just joking, java is probably not so bad but bf is really a curiosity in my opinion.
Aug 17 12:34:06 * CosmoHill giggles
Aug 17 12:35:31 <smoku> sx0n, for me this title is for scheme and erlang.  being strange and popular - THAT
Aug 17 12:35:33 <smoku> THAT
Aug 17 12:35:39 <smoku> THAT'S curious
Aug 17 12:35:47 <dcthang> hi everyone
Aug 17 12:35:52 <smoku> (i will throw this keyboard out of the window someday)
Aug 17 12:36:01 <dcthang> who knows how to resize meego image file ?
Aug 17 12:36:24 <dcthang> since I install so many applications on meego, over 2.9Gb?
Aug 17 12:37:50 <dcthang> no one?:)
Aug 17 12:40:29 <sx0n> dcthang, by making a smaller configuration file for it?
Aug 17 12:41:22 <dcthang> @szOn: oh where
Aug 17 12:41:41 <dcthang> I mean I mount it to one folder (raw file mount)
Aug 17 12:42:03 <dcthang> and I install some apps there, it consumes lot of space
Aug 17 12:42:55 <dcthang> sx0n: sudo mount -o loop,offset=512 <image file> <directory>
Aug 17 12:43:17 <dcthang> sx0n: Could you tell how to make the configuration file?
Aug 17 12:44:14 <sx0n> dcthang, i cant really say. unless you make image file by yourself. http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation_For_Beginners
Aug 17 12:44:38 <sx0n> those ks files includes the configuration and apps that are included in image.
Aug 17 12:45:03 <sx0n> but that's probably different than you are looking for.
Aug 17 12:45:18 <dcthang> sx0n: yes
Aug 17 12:45:54 <dcthang> cos I installed so many apps there, I do not want to make it from scratch and then have to install all and all again
Aug 17 12:46:34 <dcthang> or how to make the mounted folder used free space on the host?
Aug 17 12:47:49 <dcthang> for exp: host has 10GB free space, meanwhile the raw file has 2.9GB, so how mounted folder can use 10GB free space..
Aug 17 12:48:52 <dcthang> might be mount it to one folder, and then copy all of that folder to one new folder :P
Aug 17 12:52:52 <dcthang> sx0n: thanks for your help :)
Aug 17 12:53:09 <sx0n> what help? :)
Aug 17 12:53:54 <sx0n> i was just quietly thinking nfs mounting.
Aug 17 12:55:09 <dcthang> just your answer :)
Aug 17 12:55:33 <dcthang> one my solution is to copy it to other folder
Aug 17 12:58:33 <sx0n> yep
Aug 17 13:00:08 * thiago upgrades his netbook to 1.0.2
Aug 17 13:00:21 <CosmoHill> showoff
Aug 17 13:18:10 <whitewine> Could you tell me when is, you guess, the new Nokia meego smart phone comming here? :)
Aug 17 13:18:30 <slaine> whitewine: within the next 2 years
Aug 17 13:18:40 <leinir> A wild guess: Announcement at the MeeGo Conference :)
Aug 17 13:19:06 <whitewine> When will it be?
Aug 17 13:19:13 <MohammadAG51> November 15-17
Aug 17 13:19:13 <slaine> November
Aug 17 13:19:32 <slaine> leinir: isn't there a nokia conference prior to that date ?
Aug 17 13:19:36 <whitewine> That's great!
Aug 17 13:19:45 <slaine> whitewine: that's a guess though
Aug 17 13:19:49 <MohammadAG51> september afaik, but that's for intel
Aug 17 13:20:03 <slaine> MohammadAG51: I know about the IDF, I'm talking about Nokia
Aug 17 13:20:08 <leinir> slaine: Hmm... yeah, i guess there is :)
Aug 17 13:20:13 <MohammadAG51> slaine, I know
Aug 17 13:20:19 <slaine> I think there's a Nokia/Qt one though
Aug 17 13:20:19 <leinir> Not sure that isn't a bit too close, though :)
Aug 17 13:20:24 <slaine> yeah
Aug 17 13:20:33 <leinir> *nods* DevDays is coming up :)
Aug 17 13:20:38 <slaine> wonder if we'll see something further on the MeeGo Tablets
Aug 17 13:20:46 <slaine> drool
Aug 17 13:21:59 <DawnFoster> Quick reminder that the Community Office meeting starts in 40 minutes: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings
Aug 17 13:22:15 <chakie_work> leinir: going this year?
Aug 17 13:22:18 <CosmoHill> thanks DawnFoster, no idea there was a meeting
Aug 17 13:22:23 <DawnFoster> Anyone who wants to attend is welcome to join
Aug 17 13:22:27 <leinir> chakie_work: devdays? hopefully, but it depends...
Aug 17 13:22:43 <DawnFoster> CosmoHill: Hmm, I posted it to the mailing list on Friday
Aug 17 13:22:57 <CosmoHill> I'm only in the channel
Aug 17 13:22:58 <leinir> Primarily on sponsorship, really :) i'm hoping to pull off a repeat of last year's performance :)
Aug 17 13:26:40 <whitewine> One more question. Do you think Nokia+Intel+MeeGo can beat Android and iOS?
Aug 17 13:27:20 <ml-mobile> iOS is inherently limited
Aug 17 13:28:09 <whitewine> I'm talking 'bout populatity and sales.
Aug 17 13:28:17 <epx> depends on Nokia :)
Aug 17 13:28:30 <ml-mobile> and if any other vendors pick it up
Aug 17 13:28:32 <epx> in technical terms I prefer maemo 5 already
Aug 17 13:29:19 <epx> so meego should be better (and more prefer-able?)
Aug 17 13:29:43 <ml-mobile> meego should be equally as functional technically as Maemo 5, and being more open should be better
Aug 17 13:30:00 <Termana> whitewine, your asking a question no one knows
Aug 17 13:30:04 <Termana> you're*
Aug 17 13:30:10 <Termana> knows the answer to*
Aug 17 13:30:48 <whitewine> Yeah, but we can try to imagine or just guess...
Aug 17 13:32:44 <TSCHAKeee> funny thing about imagination
Aug 17 13:32:47 <TSCHAKeee> you can IMAGINE anything
Aug 17 13:33:50 <TSCHAKeee> i could imagine that I shit gold bricks, which keeps my bitchez happy and willing to service me...somehow I don't think it would work out that way, though.... :P
Aug 17 13:34:30 <GAN900> OK, who's going to point lazy me to the clarification about the hotel booking/payment setup if sponsorship is involved?
Aug 17 13:35:56 <CosmoHill> GAN900: i think lbt said it was cheaper for him to sort out his own travel and accomidation
Aug 17 13:36:38 <GAN900> CosmoHill, yes, but then is it paid if you're actually sponsored?
Aug 17 13:37:10 <whitewine> TSCHAKeee, there are really unreal thing and may-be-possible things. That's the difference.
Aug 17 13:37:58 <lbt> yeah... was kinda surprised at how much cheaper
Aug 17 13:38:18 <GAN900> Apparently the lf has really terrible rate negotiators.
Aug 17 13:38:33 <GAN900> Or they're serving breakfast on the good silver.
Aug 17 13:40:15 * lbt saw rooms at ~20% of the lf rate... ie 150 for flights+rooms for 3 nights... flight alone is 80... £70 for 3 nights
Aug 17 13:40:29 <whitewine> TSCHAKeee, I'm talking 'bout predictions.
Aug 17 13:40:54 <TSCHAKeee> boy, when you aspergers types don't get a joke, you don't get it spectacularly
Aug 17 13:40:54 <X-Fade> lbt: But probably not 4 star hotels?
Aug 17 13:40:56 <TSCHAKeee> :P
Aug 17 13:40:59 <TSCHAKeee> :)
Aug 17 13:41:02 <lbt> X-Fade: same hotel
Aug 17 13:41:11 <X-Fade> lbt: heh, nice.
Aug 17 13:41:17 <leinir> Now... what will the internet connection be like at the conference, anybody know?
Aug 17 13:41:32 <X-Fade> leinir: Don't expect too much.
Aug 17 13:41:38 <lbt> 'cept nokia are probably paying for me so I probably can't book it...
Aug 17 13:42:09 <leinir> X-Fade: Well, pondering for presentations :)
Aug 17 13:42:24 <X-Fade> leinir: Don't. Only offline ;)
Aug 17 13:42:39 <e-yes> btw. important question: good SIP CLIENT FOR LINUX?
Aug 17 13:42:47 <leinir> i know the wireless is going to be dodgy, it always is, but i'm wondering if there'll be a wire for the presenter, for live demos of online services :)
Aug 17 13:42:58 * lbt plans on hauling a server up onstage for his demo...
Aug 17 13:43:21 <Termana> Remember everyone
Aug 17 13:43:46 <Termana> Record with your n900s - just in case any idiots that are suppose to be officially recording dont do it right
Aug 17 13:44:10 <whitewine> TSCHAKeee, I'm not a boy :)
Aug 17 13:44:26 <leinir> Put shortly: i would like to show a live end-to-end demo type thing, which would require online access. i can do it without (and will of course make plans for such an eventuality), but am just wondering if i can expect some level of service :)
Aug 17 13:47:40 <achipa> Termana: all too true, there were a 100 cams on the last summit and then just a handful of videos popped up afterwards
Aug 17 13:48:02 <Stskeeps> well, that was partly because the recording crew were morons..
Aug 17 13:49:15 <GAN900> Whoever hired that team should be killed.
Aug 17 13:49:31 * CosmoHill dispatches his ninjas
Aug 17 13:49:38 <Termana> Yeah well, lets hope it works out better for the MeeGo conference.
Aug 17 13:49:44 <Termana> Otherwise I'm going to do some killing myself
Aug 17 13:50:09 <CosmoHill> 11 Minutes until the Community Office meeting
Aug 17 13:50:09 * leinir thinks the team which handled akademy this year should be hired to handle the meego conf...
Aug 17 13:50:26 <leinir> That was spectacularly efficient - less than a week and all the videos were online
Aug 17 13:50:29 <lbt> leinir: tell Quim/Dawn
Aug 17 13:51:29 <DawnFoster> leinir - can you send me the name of the vendor - or better yet post it on the conference wiki page?
Aug 17 13:51:33 <leinir> DawnFoster: what i just said ;) The main guy's name here on IRC is seaLne - i do not know if they would actually be interested, but if so, it would b well worth it. Very capable people :)
Aug 17 13:51:49 <DawnFoster> http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010
Aug 17 13:52:08 <leinir> It's not a vendor as such, they were community people
Aug 17 13:54:35 <leinir> ehrm... the wiki is being weird on me
Aug 17 13:54:54 <leinir> i click login, i'm shown my user page... i go back to the wiki, i'm apparently still not logged in
Aug 17 13:54:59 <DawnFoster> don
Aug 17 13:55:10 <DawnFoster> don't click the log in button at the top
Aug 17 13:55:20 <DawnFoster> it should say log in / log out at the top
Aug 17 13:55:24 <DawnFoster> click log out
Aug 17 13:55:31 <DawnFoster> then don't log in yet
Aug 17 13:55:46 <DawnFoster> in the middle of the page, click the "log in again" link
Aug 17 13:55:48 <vgrade> arjan, did you seen the GMA500 MeeGo videos?
Aug 17 13:55:56 <DawnFoster> that will take you to the drupal login page
Aug 17 13:55:59 <DawnFoster> it's a bug
Aug 17 13:56:03 <DawnFoster> we're working on it
Aug 17 13:56:19 <CosmoHill> vgrade: iirc the Nokia Notebook 3G has a GMA500
Aug 17 13:56:56 <leinir> Right, there we go
Aug 17 14:07:41 <th3hate51> join #meego-meeting
Aug 17 14:08:20 <CosmoHill> th3hate51: almost there
Aug 17 14:09:02 <DawnFoster> th3hate51: oopsie
Aug 17 14:22:37 <thp> is there a way to get ssh/root access in the pre-built n900 meego handset images?
Aug 17 14:23:35 <CosmoHill> thp: could try typing "which sshd"
Aug 17 14:24:00 <vilvo> thp: timoph has worked on that to automate test execution
Aug 17 14:24:16 <vilvo> said he got it working about 1.5hrs ago
Aug 17 14:25:08 <Stskeeps> thp: 192.168.2.14 (host)/192.168.2.15 (device), replug cable if it doesnt work at first
Aug 17 14:26:19 <GAN900> Wish we could work out the kinks and confusion for registration BEFORE openning it up.
Aug 17 14:26:20 <lcuk> Stskeeps, wifi networking still not running?
Aug 17 14:26:51 <timeless_mbp> GAN900:  where's the fun in that?
Aug 17 14:26:56 <thp> Stskeeps: thanks, will try it out. is this documented on the wiki? if not, where should i add it?
Aug 17 14:26:58 <timeless_mbp> i mean, sure we did that @maemo for voting
Aug 17 14:27:00 <Stskeeps> lcuk: fixed in next release
Aug 17 14:27:03 <timeless_mbp> by having a sample vote
Aug 17 14:27:14 <timeless_mbp> but why learn from positive experiences?
Aug 17 14:28:10 <GAN900> timeless_mbp, where's the fun in any of it? :P
Aug 17 14:28:44 <CosmoHill> is it just me or is the meeting getting a little messy atm
Aug 17 14:28:48 <timeless_mbp> is meego supposed to be fun?
Aug 17 14:28:57 <GAN900> Apparently not.
Aug 17 14:29:12 <TSCHAKeee> not when there is money involved somewhere.
Aug 17 14:29:16 <timeless_mbp> CosmoHill:  the meetings i've seen work about the same as this one
Aug 17 14:29:26 <GAN900> CosmoHill, clearly it's down to you to kick ass and impose structure.
Aug 17 14:29:27 <timeless_mbp> they're actually not too bad when you consider the possibilities and scale
Aug 17 14:29:32 <timeless_mbp> and they're much better than TSG
Aug 17 14:31:23 * timeless_mbp sighs
Aug 17 14:31:32 <timeless_mbp> do wikis have something against useful login behavior?
Aug 17 14:31:49 <timeless_mbp> i'm @page 103 and i click log in, so obviously when i'm done, i want to go to page 1
Aug 17 14:32:36 <timeless_mbp> btw, what's a "cab" http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010
Aug 17 14:37:34 <lcuk> Stskeeps, \o/
Aug 17 14:38:42 <leinir> There, session proposal submitted :)
Aug 17 14:40:12 <CosmoHill> OBU?
Aug 17 14:40:16 <CosmoHill> *OSU
Aug 17 14:40:46 <vgrade> OWU
Aug 17 14:47:01 * timeless_mbp pokes someone
Aug 17 14:47:04 <timeless_mbp> what the heck is a cab?
Aug 17 14:47:16 <timeless_mbp> X-Fade?
Aug 17 14:47:19 <CosmoHill> you mean a taxi?
Aug 17 14:47:23 <timeless_mbp> i doubt it
Aug 17 14:47:26 <MohammadAG51> lol
Aug 17 14:47:28 <CosmoHill> .cab file?
Aug 17 14:47:33 <timeless_mbp> > 	▪	Presidents Terrace for Keynotes Day 1 sits 1200 theatre style or 580 cab- suggesting theatre style for the keynotes
Aug 17 14:47:38 <timeless_mbp> from http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010
Aug 17 14:47:59 <DawnFoster> around tables
Aug 17 14:48:18 <timeless_mbp> ??
Aug 17 14:50:56 <Termana> Like the emmys?
Aug 17 14:51:12 <timeless_mbp> is it an abbreviation? if so, for what? (i don't need an answer immediately, but I can't figure it out using google...)
Aug 17 14:51:16 <Termana> And the award for great openness acter is...
Aug 17 14:51:20 <Termana> actor*
Aug 17 14:51:29 <Termana> greatest*
Aug 17 14:53:12 <timeless_mbp> should i tell maclaver that he misspelled "Building" in Guides/Tutorials Page? :)
Aug 17 14:54:02 <Termana> :D
Aug 17 14:54:08 <timeless_mbp> hrm, or he used an incredibly lame font
Aug 17 14:54:11 <timeless_mbp> either way. shame.
Aug 17 14:54:28 <timeless_mbp> using a font where Ili all look the same...
Aug 17 14:54:59 <Termana> I'm sure its just a general outline anyway, rather than specifically deciding on the font
Aug 17 14:55:11 <timeless_mbp> i'm not sure about that
Aug 17 14:55:54 <Termana> Or at least, made full-page size, it probably wont look so bad
Aug 17 14:56:48 <timeless_mbp> typically one selects the font and layout at the same time
Aug 17 14:57:01 <timeless_mbp> not doing that does not yield good results
Aug 17 14:57:43 <Termana> timeless_mbp, comment on the font now?
Aug 17 14:58:10 <timeless_mbp> i'm still trying to figure out how to fix "cab-", it means "cabaret style seating"
Aug 17 14:58:28 <timeless_mbp> which is not really "around tables" it's… strange
Aug 17 14:59:24 <timeless_mbp> http://www.lmc.ac.uk/home/hiring/seating.php
Aug 17 15:00:06 <DawnFoster> timeless: it's around tables but one one side of the table so people can still watch the presentation
Aug 17 15:00:29 <timeless_mbp> DawnFoster: yeah, thanks. sp3000 helped me fill out that bit
Aug 17 15:00:38 <timeless_mbp> "around tables" does *not* give people the right idea
Aug 17 15:01:01 <sp3000> it's ...semi-cabaret! :D
Aug 17 15:01:13 <timeless_mbp> and given that cabaret is french and a fairly outdated thing, i think it's an awful choice of a word for use on an internationally oriented page
Aug 17 15:01:20 * timeless_mbp is trying to figure out how to fix the page
Aug 17 15:01:35 <lcuk> decide on seating now and fix page?
Aug 17 15:01:40 <sp3000> dunno, it seems like plausibly a standard enough jargon
Aug 17 15:02:02 <timeless_mbp> it's useful jargon for people who arrange theaters
Aug 17 15:02:10 <timeless_mbp> it isn't useful jargon for the people who read the page
Aug 17 15:03:09 <Khertan_> Hi !
Aug 17 15:03:10 <Khertan_> ... does python and pyqt/pyside is available for handset ux ?
Aug 17 15:03:16 <timeless_mbp> so… i'm tempted to just include a link to http://www.lmc.ac.uk/home/hiring/seating.php in a footnote section under "Jargon" ...
Aug 17 15:03:19 <timeless_mbp> (for that page)
Aug 17 15:03:24 <Khertan_> i didn't found any information about it currently
Aug 17 15:03:25 <sp3000> right but that's to say that explaining it should be fine, replacing it could just end up more confusing
Aug 17 15:05:16 * timeless_mbp gets scooped on a link
Aug 17 15:05:22 <sp3000> mwhahah.
Aug 17 15:05:55 <timeless_mbp> hrm, that wasn't safari
Aug 17 15:08:38 <X-Fade> So, continue here.
Aug 17 15:08:44 <lbt> *nod*
Aug 17 15:08:52 <Stskeeps> DawnFoster: btw, one thing that i notice often - the fact that each feature/requirement for meego has to have assigned maintainer/QA and that is the way to get something 'supported' in meego (by taking responsibility for it), isn't really written out anywhere - so many people perceive the project as being rigid when it's actually quite open if you want to grab a shovel..
Aug 17 15:09:21 <lcuk> "<DawnFoster> the production obs is already overloaded"
Aug 17 15:09:25 <lcuk> already?
Aug 17 15:09:40 <lcuk> you only have 2 live instances?
Aug 17 15:09:48 <X-Fade> Hmm that may be true at times, but I think it copes.
Aug 17 15:09:53 <achipa> just wondering, what's the url for the submitted conference proposals ?
Aug 17 15:09:56 <sp3000> Stskeeps: does it differ in practice from the tried and true you touch it you own it model? :)
Aug 17 15:09:58 <lbt> http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings#Backlog_of_Proposed_Topics
Aug 17 15:09:59 <Stskeeps> achipa: click 'program'
Aug 17 15:10:15 <Stskeeps> sp3000: yes - you have to maintain and keep it maintained
Aug 17 15:10:31 <sp3000> ...once you touch it?
Aug 17 15:10:34 <lcuk> X-Fade, can the obs be given some extra grunt to ease up the bottlenecks?  in an adhoc fashion, ie just add new machines to the running cluster?
Aug 17 15:10:41 <sp3000> ...and if you don't we'll ...uh, be very cross with you?
Aug 17 15:10:50 <lbt> lcuk: mmm yes and no
Aug 17 15:10:56 <X-Fade> lcuk: Yes, that is easy.
Aug 17 15:11:02 <DawnFoster> Stskeeps: yeah, I've been trying to work with people to understand that in an open source project, you really do need to jump in with a shovel.
Aug 17 15:11:08 <X-Fade> Well, adding workers is.
Aug 17 15:11:10 <lcuk> hehe
Aug 17 15:11:21 <achipa> Stskeeps: got it, need some coffee
Aug 17 15:11:28 <lbt> if you have a spare 4 men to lift it into the datacentre it's easy...
Aug 17 15:11:36 <lbt> or 3 women
Aug 17 15:11:42 * lbt eyes DawnFoster
Aug 17 15:11:50 <DawnFoster> we've been adding servers to the OBS - we have more than 2 build targets and daily builds. It is more system intensive than it sounds
Aug 17 15:11:59 <DawnFoster> lbt: :)
Aug 17 15:12:09 <lcuk> 3 women? ohhh yes someone needs to hold the door
Aug 17 15:12:21 <b-man`> rofl
Aug 17 15:12:25 <X-Fade> DawnFoster: Pfffff, a nice showcase for Intel :D
Aug 17 15:12:35 <X-Fade> DawnFoster: See it as a marketing opportunity :)
Aug 17 15:12:52 <Stskeeps> DawnFoster: well, that and the formal process.. someone asked me 'how do we get ARM enabled for IVI repositories', which obviously requires people to take responsibility for that in terms of porting, resources, etc..
Aug 17 15:12:56 <lbt> X-Fade: I'm not sure they need to be told that ;)
Aug 17 15:13:03 <lcuk> DawnFoster, I know all about build servers and how hard they work
Aug 17 15:13:21 <lcuk> amazing how much they manage and how flexible they can be
Aug 17 15:13:30 <CosmoHill> I saw a ATX tower with 5 Q9400 processors in it
Aug 17 15:13:45 <lbt> damn
Aug 17 15:14:44 <DawnFoster> Stskeeps: we definitely need more documentation around the process for contributing code, packaging, etc.
Aug 17 15:15:01 <CosmoHill> it was 5 ITX motherboards with a Q9400, 2GB of RAM, a 2.5" hdd and a DVD drive each
Aug 17 15:15:16 <CosmoHill> water cooled with one 1000W PSU powering all of them
Aug 17 15:15:22 <lbt> I'd like the community OBS to be a low-barrier-to-entry proving ground
Aug 17 15:15:36 <lcuk> ++
Aug 17 15:15:51 <X-Fade> fwiw, we can already try a x86 target on the beta one.
Aug 17 15:16:11 <lbt> yeah... now the -dev list got to that conclusion
Aug 17 15:16:36 <lbt> or at least stopped after Graham Cobb's great post
Aug 17 15:17:14 <X-Fade> Anyone want to create a nice prjconf? :)
Aug 17 15:17:42 <X-Fade> I can import all sources for a snapshot if needed.
Aug 17 15:18:07 * Stskeeps still maintains the problem is not the core, but what application and community SDK will default to.
Aug 17 15:18:17 <Stskeeps> er, application SDK and community OBS.
Aug 17 15:18:24 <lbt> Stskeeps: yeah... there's more to it than "build your own"
Aug 17 15:18:37 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: As long as they can build against it, it is fine?
Aug 17 15:18:46 * lbt sees a 60 minute round table coming on in Nov
Aug 17 15:19:01 <Stskeeps> X-Fade: if the default apps people make for meego only work on atom..
Aug 17 15:19:06 * lcuk ponders a post:  Jedis, OBS and building your own lightsabre
Aug 17 15:19:28 <lbt> http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/FAQ
Aug 17 15:19:38 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: Sure, only OSS can be supported then.
Aug 17 15:19:38 <lbt> Jaffa: are you sure the deposit is non-refundable?
Aug 17 15:19:47 <Venemo> I have a question that has been unanswered for months
Aug 17 15:20:03 <Venemo> Will MeeGo handset have anything like Fremantle's desktop widgets?
Aug 17 15:20:13 <X-Fade> Anyway, need to go now. bbl.
Aug 17 15:20:19 <Stskeeps> Venemo: i've seen something like that mentioned in test cases on wiki.meego.com, so i guess so
Aug 17 15:21:30 <Jaffa> lbt: The website is pretty conclusive about it.
Aug 17 15:21:38 <Jaffa> lbt: Let me dig it out as I'm resending an email about it
Aug 17 15:21:59 <Venemo> Stskeeps: thanks
Aug 17 15:22:30 <Venemo> Stskeeps: just asking because there hasn't been anything like that in the demos I've seen so far
Aug 17 15:22:58 <lbt> "If a room is cancelled within 72 hours of arrival, all prepayments will be refunded except for the first night deposit."
Aug 17 15:23:58 <Venemo> Stskeeps: the other question is, where is the Tablet UX seen in several videos?
Aug 17 15:24:03 <Stskeeps> Venemo: dunno
Aug 17 15:24:12 <Stskeeps> DawnFoster: are we motivating the current set of people listed under governance to be proposing talks as well btw? I'm not seeing many high profile presentations
Aug 17 15:24:13 <Venemo> Stskeeps: it is not even mentioned in the gitorious page
Aug 17 15:25:01 <DawnFoster> stskeeps: I've been working on it - they still have a week (procrastinators!)
Aug 17 15:25:52 <Macer> so. how is n900 meego going?
Aug 17 15:26:05 <Stskeeps> Macer: good, armv7 image is looking really nice and wifi is working properly now
Aug 17 15:26:21 <Stskeeps> DawnFoster: :nod: i bet a slashdotting like effect on conference site nearby deadline ;)
Aug 17 15:26:37 <Macer> you have a hw page that shows what is working so far?
Aug 17 15:26:53 <Stskeeps> Macer: follow the test reports is the best way
Aug 17 15:27:00 <Macer> im curious about the gtalk and skype video chatting
Aug 17 15:27:06 <Stskeeps> and eventually the feature tracking
Aug 17 15:27:11 <Stskeeps> gtalk is jabber
Aug 17 15:27:11 <Stskeeps> :P
Aug 17 15:27:17 <Stskeeps> skype, not our context
Aug 17 15:27:22 <Macer> heh. yeah i suppose
Aug 17 15:27:35 <lcuk> hmmm wifi working? fully configurable?
Aug 17 15:27:50 <Macer> Stskeeps: well. figured telepathy would find its way to meego
Aug 17 15:27:52 <ScottishDuck> is it beta day tomorrow?
Aug 17 15:28:11 <DawnFoster> stskeeps: everyone waits to the last minute :)
Aug 17 15:28:57 <Termana> ScottishDuck, Beta Day? Sounds as bad as Patch Tuesday
Aug 17 15:28:59 <Termana> :P
Aug 17 15:29:03 <ScottishDuck> :)
Aug 17 15:29:10 <Macer> Stskeeps: where can i see the test reports?
Aug 17 15:29:11 <Venemo> Stskeeps: where are these test reports you mentioned?
Aug 17 15:29:23 <Macer> that was weird Venemo
Aug 17 15:29:29 <Macer> heh
Aug 17 15:31:54 <tripzero> how do i make the mouse appear?
Aug 17 15:32:01 <tripzero> on the handset images?
Aug 17 16:31:31 <luist> hello... how do i install a meego img in virtual box?
Aug 17 16:37:10 <Venemo> Macer: yep, but still no answer
Aug 17 16:37:36 <Stskeeps> sorry, i had to go eat - i do require nutrition for hacking
Aug 17 16:37:36 <Stskeeps> :P
Aug 17 16:38:40 <ali1234> so i got my obs working, tried to compile meego inside it
Aug 17 16:38:41 <Stskeeps> Macer, Venemo: http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/HandsetTestReport - this is done on a work-day basis, some against weekly, etc - so percentages swing a lot
Aug 17 16:39:05 <ali1234> that all seems ok, but the actual source won't compile
Aug 17 16:39:10 <Venemo> Stskeeps: thanks :)
Aug 17 16:39:20 <Stskeeps> ali1234: what kind of build host and what kind of error
Aug 17 16:39:21 <Stskeeps> ?
Aug 17 16:39:32 <ali1234> the build host is an OBS appliance
Aug 17 16:39:34 <qgil> hi, has some had a look at Canonical's UTouch framework? What is it? What does it mean for app developers? What is the relation with GTK+ Qt or X or...?
Aug 17 16:39:50 <Stskeeps> hmm, no, first i've heard of it
Aug 17 16:39:51 <Stskeeps> let me go look
Aug 17 16:40:04 <qgil> https://edge.launchpad.net/canonical-multitouch
Aug 17 16:40:05 <ali1234> building against fedora 12 and 13 on an AMD CPU
Aug 17 16:40:25 <ali1234> and the errors are all stuff like "error: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found:"
Aug 17 16:40:33 <ali1234> or patches which fail to apply to the source tarball
Aug 17 16:40:40 <qgil> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/455
Aug 17 16:40:45 <ali1234> basically trivial stuff that you would expect to work properly
Aug 17 16:41:05 <Stskeeps> ali1234: pastebin a build log please
Aug 17 16:41:06 <ali1234> i tried both 1.0.1 and the daily srpms, and they fail in different ways
Aug 17 16:41:33 <ali1234> http://pastebin.com/ZSfyLjB7
Aug 17 16:41:56 <ali1234> so far all i successfully built is binutils
Aug 17 16:42:07 <ali1234> i need mpc-devel for gcc, and it won't go
Aug 17 16:42:40 <ali1234> http://pastebin.com/nJfcnVAi
Aug 17 16:42:58 <ali1234> first paste was mpc failing on fedora 13, second was mpc failing on fedora 12
Aug 17 16:43:04 <Venemo> Stskeeps: as I see, none of the test reports are about the N900, or am I missing something?
Aug 17 16:43:33 <Stskeeps> Venemo: hmm? scroll down to ARM N900?
Aug 17 16:43:48 <ali1234> process i followed to even get this far: http://wiki.meego.com/User:Ali1234
Aug 17 16:44:12 <Venemo> Stskeeps: aaah, sorry...
Aug 17 16:44:40 <Stskeeps> qgil: initial impression is that they do gestures at a weird place in the platform stack, but it seems independent from gtk+, more related to x (and not a replacement for what xorg is bringing)
Aug 17 16:45:01 <Stskeeps> not tied to a certain toolkit at first glance, but deeper analysis needed
Aug 17 16:46:31 <Venemo> Stskeeps: as I can see from here (http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/HandsetTestReport/N900Acceptance20100817), it is full of "fail"s :(
Aug 17 16:46:45 <Stskeeps> Venemo: it's development images, fails will happen :)
Aug 17 16:46:59 <Stskeeps> and they only help to get things fixed
Aug 17 16:47:06 <Stskeeps> the problem is when there's fails we don't find
Aug 17 16:47:25 <luist> how do i create a virtual machine with a meego image? im using mac and virtualbox
Aug 17 16:47:55 <tripzero> luist, you need to either make a livecd image, mount and boot or dd it to your vbox drive
Aug 17 16:48:07 <luist> tripzero: any tut?
Aug 17 16:48:08 <Venemo> Stskeeps: yes, I know what software testing is for
Aug 17 16:48:08 <Stskeeps> ali1234: impressive progress
Aug 17 16:48:21 <ali1234> Stskeeps: really? but it doesn't even work :)
Aug 17 16:48:33 <Stskeeps> ali1234: at least it doesn't break in the setup phase :)
Aug 17 16:48:35 <tripzero> you can dd it by loading some livecd like ubuntu and doing an cat someimage.img | ssh sever "cat > dd of=/dev/something"
Aug 17 16:48:48 <ali1234> Stskeeps: well yeah i had that problem, that's why i decided to use the appliance image
Aug 17 16:49:02 <tripzero> err, "cat | dd of=/dev/foo"
Aug 17 16:49:06 <luist> tripzero: any easier way?
Aug 17 16:49:13 <Stskeeps> ali1234: +1 for actually taking on the challenge
Aug 17 16:49:13 <Venemo> Stskeeps: what I meant is that I was a little too optimistic :)
Aug 17 16:49:16 <luist> tripzero: i dont have any livecd image around here
Aug 17 16:49:39 <tripzero> luist, those are the only two ways i can think of
Aug 17 16:49:57 <Stskeeps> ali1234: what prjconf are you using?
Aug 17 16:50:05 <ali1234> Stskeeps: i'm not
Aug 17 16:50:18 <ali1234> Stskeeps: i created a blank project through the web UI. my OBS is linked to opensuse
Aug 17 16:50:19 <Stskeeps> ali1234: ah, first problem then
Aug 17 16:50:31 <luist> tripzero: whats the other way... without using a livecd image
Aug 17 16:50:42 <Stskeeps> ali1234: and you're building meego, right
Aug 17 16:50:54 <ali1234> meego?
Aug 17 16:51:00 <qgil> Stskeeps: thanks and looks like my own personal summary in a rush  :)
Aug 17 16:51:22 <tripzero> luist, the other way is to use mic-image-creator to make a livecd instead of a .img
Aug 17 16:51:28 <ali1234> i grabbed daily source rpms from mirror.kernel.org and uploaded them into the new, blank, project
Aug 17 16:51:40 <ali1234> from meego daily that is
Aug 17 16:51:42 <luist> tripzero: hm.... sounds better
Aug 17 16:52:41 <Stskeeps> ali1234: ok, so, your binaries are currently building against fedora 13 and hence they might produce different files output than the packaging expects
Aug 17 16:52:46 <ali1234> my actual prjconf looks like this: http://pastebin.com/hRcVZjx2
Aug 17 16:53:02 <Stskeeps> that's prj, not prjconf
Aug 17 16:53:03 <VDVsx> humm, is there any know issues with the forum login ? got access denied when I click in the login link
Aug 17 16:53:06 <ali1234> oh ok
Aug 17 16:54:04 <Stskeeps> ali1234: i'm really wondering if the best way is to build on a ssse3 box, adjust your prjconf to be non-ssse3 and ask it to rebuild
Aug 17 16:54:16 <Stskeeps> if you do it in 2 stages and copy binaries, it should be free of ssse3
Aug 17 16:54:22 <ali1234> well the only ssse3 box i have is my netbook
Aug 17 16:54:39 <ali1234> it will takes weeks to do it running the OBS in a VM
Aug 17 16:54:50 <Stskeeps> http://meego.gitorious.org/~stskeeps/meego-developer-tools/stskeepss-obs-project-config/blobs/master/Trunk is a recent prjconf
Aug 17 16:55:20 <ali1234> i tried to read out prjconf and i guess mine is blank?
Aug 17 16:56:02 <Stskeeps> yeah, then it's == the fedora one
Aug 17 16:56:06 * Stskeeps ponders
Aug 17 16:56:15 <Stskeeps> you might want to ask dl9pf how it was done for meego
Aug 17 16:56:21 <Stskeeps> i guess it is technically a similar issue
Aug 17 16:56:42 <ali1234> since the only things i need to compile against fedora are binutils and gcc, can i just fix those so they compile, and then rebuild them in the second stage as "vanilla?"
Aug 17 16:57:16 <ali1234> also one time i got as far as attempting to compile glibc, and it was using -march=core2 -mtune=atom cflags. is it hardcoded in the spec file or something?
Aug 17 16:57:23 <Stskeeps> ali1234: yeah, easy to change
Aug 17 16:57:58 <ali1234> if so, how many other spec files have it hard coded?
Aug 17 16:58:14 <Stskeeps> i think that and the prjconf
Aug 17 17:00:25 <luist> tripzero: ok i got this E: Couldn't find package python-pykickstart    when running mic-check-alldeps
Aug 17 17:06:04 <ali1234> Stskeeps: i uploaded the prjconf and now i can't even build binutils because everything depends on a bunch of meego-only rpms now
Aug 17 17:06:19 <ali1234> need to look at this properly, but it's dinner time
Aug 17 17:24:19 * CosmoHill stabs his mac
Aug 17 17:37:55 <Tili_> CosmoHill: me too
Aug 17 17:38:00 <Tili_> soon will get rid of mac
Aug 17 17:38:20 <CosmoHill> for some reason gcc is completely ignoring LD_LIBRARY_PATH
Aug 17 17:45:47 * CosmoHill is learning GMP
Aug 17 17:48:51 <CosmoHill> http://linuxfromscratch.pastebin.com/H5bee2N3 :(
Aug 17 17:53:28 <ali1234> -lgmp ?
Aug 17 17:54:27 <CosmoHill> nope
Aug 17 17:56:28 * CosmoHill recompiles gmp so he can run the test that he skipped first time >.>
Aug 17 18:02:01 <ali1234> remote gateway 504 timeout.... you gotta be kidding me
Aug 17 18:02:15 <Stskeeps> 504 \o/
Aug 17 18:02:18 <Stskeeps> this means it is tea time!
Aug 17 18:02:18 <Stskeeps> :P
Aug 17 18:05:09 <ali1234> OBS really could use some better error reporting when this happens
Aug 17 18:05:27 <Stskeeps> tell me about it.
Aug 17 18:05:28 <Stskeeps> :P
Aug 17 18:05:34 <ali1234> i spent half an hour trying to figure out what was going on this morning
Aug 17 18:08:26 <DuckBoot> Does a meego image with modem-drivers and UX exists for the N900?
Aug 17 18:09:14 <csd_> hi - I'm trying to figure out how the different audio components that Meego is using fit together. Anyone online that knows the audio part? I'm trying to walk through which components would be used to e.g. make a voice call.
Aug 17 18:09:47 <csd_> From what I can see the audio stack for voip goes from telepathy->farsight->gstreamer->pulseaudio->alsa->HW
Aug 17 18:10:03 <ali1234> hmm i'm confused
Aug 17 18:10:36 <CosmoHill> ali1234: welcome to the club
Aug 17 18:10:46 <ali1234> i fixed mpc, now it is compiling gcc... but it also now says binutils and mpc are blocked by lib-gomp
Aug 17 18:10:55 <ali1234> but it already compiled them... what?
Aug 17 18:11:05 <CosmoHill> this sounds like something i should know >.<
Aug 17 18:11:17 <csd_> So audio coming in from a microphone would go up through HW->alsa->pulseaudio, and then what? Out the net via pulseaudio? Or futher up to gstreamer->farsight and then out the net?
Aug 17 18:11:31 <CosmoHill> ali1234: you compiling the properly or the lazy way?
Aug 17 18:11:40 <ali1234> gcc failed to compile anyway
Aug 17 18:11:52 <ali1234> what do you mean? i am using OBS
Aug 17 18:12:02 <CosmoHill> ah
Aug 17 18:12:17 <ali1234> HMM
Aug 17 18:12:23 <CosmoHill> one way to compile gcc is to unpack gmp. mpfr and mpc in the gcc source directory
Aug 17 18:12:28 <ali1234> so i fixed mpc by adding the extra files to the spec
Aug 17 18:12:41 <ali1234> but now the extra file in mpc conflicts with a file from gcc
Aug 17 18:13:37 <ali1234> is there a way to tell rpm to just ignore the extra files instead of adding them to the rpm?
Aug 17 18:13:58 <CosmoHill> erm
Aug 17 18:14:07 <CosmoHill> you might be able to delete them from the rpm package
Aug 17 18:14:13 <CosmoHill> let me see what i haev
Aug 17 18:14:33 <ali1234> i dont wanna hack things around any more than i have to
Aug 17 18:14:44 <ali1234> i'd rather just tell it to ignore them in the spec
Aug 17 18:14:49 <CosmoHill> http://download.bluesquarelinux.co.uk/felix/SPECS/rpm.spec
Aug 17 18:15:00 <CosmoHill> under %install
Aug 17 18:15:09 <ali1234> ah cool thanks
Aug 17 18:24:46 <CosmoHill> ali1234: did you get what I just said about %install?
Aug 17 18:24:57 <ali1234> yes, thanks
Aug 17 18:26:22 <CosmoHill> you're not the only person who makes RPMs :p
Aug 17 18:26:30 <CosmoHill> but I'm sure yours are better than mine
Aug 17 18:28:26 <luist> tripzero: hey i got a ubuntu livecd here.. can u help me with the img now?
Aug 17 18:29:18 <ali1234> CosmoHill: i never made a rpm before
Aug 17 18:29:38 <CosmoHill> exerlent
Aug 17 18:31:47 <Ux4ever> hello all
Aug 17 18:31:55 <CosmoHill> hey
Aug 17 18:33:21 <Ux4ever> I made some test for getting meego on A9, I'a young padawan
Aug 17 18:33:35 <Ux4ever> I start on _BuBu work
Aug 17 18:33:40 <CosmoHill> so what's how you spell it
Aug 17 18:35:20 <Ux4ever> I don't have a best english
Aug 17 18:35:47 <CosmoHill> I meant padawan
Aug 17 18:35:56 <Jaffa> :)
Aug 17 18:36:10 <Ux4ever> ok
Aug 17 18:46:58 <CosmoHill> anyone want to take a whack at gmp?
Aug 17 18:47:54 <CosmoHill> http://linuxfromscratch.pastebin.com/EsHdGK5d
Aug 17 18:51:31 <luist> i have a VM running ubuntu livecd.. can anyone help me to install meego img to this VM from here? im using virtualbox
Aug 17 18:53:07 <CosmoHill> meego doesn't work on virtual machines
Aug 17 18:53:19 <CosmoHill> the SDK might but I doubt it
Aug 17 18:57:06 <tripzero> luist, install ssh-server on your ubuntus
Aug 17 18:57:24 <tripzero> and from your desktop with the img on it:
Aug 17 18:57:51 <tripzero> cat theimage.img | ssh yourubuntulivesystem "cat | dd of=/dev/yourvboxhdd"
Aug 17 18:57:55 <tripzero> that should be it
Aug 17 18:58:27 <CosmoHill> ooo
Aug 17 18:59:23 <luist> tripzero: instead of myubuntulivesystem i put user@IP ?
Aug 17 19:00:25 <tripzero> yuep
Aug 17 19:01:11 <luist> tripzero: how do i know whats myvboxhdd?
Aug 17 19:01:28 <tripzero> fdisk -l
Aug 17 19:02:00 <luist> tripzero: returns nothing
Aug 17 19:10:51 <luist> tripzero: any ideas?
Aug 17 19:27:12 <CosmoHill> trigger:Desktop nate$ g++ -I/opt/include -lgmp problem3.cc
Aug 17 19:27:12 <CosmoHill> ld: library not found for -lgmp
Aug 17 19:27:20 <CosmoHill> ali1234: you where right, I needed -lgmp
Aug 17 19:32:48 * Ux4ever say hello
Aug 17 19:33:32 * Ux4ever try to find vgrade accordin Archos A9 stuff
Aug 17 19:34:15 <lcuk> CosmoHill, heh you still stuck needing gmp stuff?
Aug 17 19:34:24 <CosmoHill> my mac is a douche
Aug 17 19:34:26 * lcuk thought of you a few days ago actually
Aug 17 19:34:27 <CosmoHill> and yes
Aug 17 19:34:45 <CosmoHill> i knew i needed gmp but I've only started using it
Aug 17 19:35:38 <lcuk> ahh
Aug 17 19:36:09 <ali1234> i like how you can watch the build log in real time on OBS
Aug 17 19:36:20 <CosmoHill> ali1234: cool
Aug 17 19:36:29 <lcuk> I noticed the osso-calculator-engine had arbritrary precision stuff :P
Aug 17 19:36:30 <ali1234> but i don't like how my OBS goes down whenever the opensuse public one goes down
Aug 17 19:36:56 * lcuk got too many r's in there
Aug 17 19:37:47 <CosmoHill> in my code?
Aug 17 19:39:55 <Ux4ever> Who's know where "mettop theme" reference is stored ?
Aug 17 19:40:25 <Ux4ever> my current test with my Archos 9 try to find it and my screen flick
Aug 17 19:42:52 <ali1234> yeah, so, i finally got mpc to compile properly
Aug 17 19:43:06 <ali1234> but gcc still has patches that won't apply to the source
Aug 17 19:43:14 <ali1234> and it is a different one now
Aug 17 19:44:02 <ali1234> http://pastebin.com/FtR61hA0
Aug 17 19:45:35 <CosmoHill> ali1234: I believe the key is gmp
Aug 17 19:45:48 <CosmoHill> mpfr and probably mpc will use the build instructions that gmp used
Aug 17 19:45:57 <CosmoHill> and gmp is a little bugger as it makes it's own up
Aug 17 19:46:05 <ali1234> read the paste
Aug 17 19:46:15 <ali1234> the rpm has patches that don't apply to the source inside therpm
Aug 17 19:46:15 <CosmoHill> it;s how I suddenly ended up with 64bit in a 32bit userspace
Aug 17 19:46:55 <CosmoHill> how do you apply the patch?
Aug 17 19:46:59 <Stskeeps> ali1234: i think you're using rpmbuild defaults from fedora which isn't same as meego ones..
Aug 17 19:47:17 <ali1234> how would that affect the application of patches?
Aug 17 19:47:23 <Stskeeps> setting of fuzz
Aug 17 19:47:53 <CosmoHill> you can use %patch0 -p1 but i found for some it doesn't work
Aug 17 19:48:06 <CosmoHill> so i end up using patch -np1 %{SOURCE0}
Aug 17 19:48:19 <CosmoHill> s/SOURCE/PATCH/
Aug 17 19:48:20 <infobot> CosmoHill meant: so i end up using patch -np1 %{PATCH0}
Aug 17 19:51:46 <ali1234> hmm so patch options are controlled by the project conf, not the spec file?
Aug 17 19:52:00 <ali1234> that seems a little bit odd
Aug 17 19:52:04 <ali1234> why not put it in the spec?
Aug 17 19:52:10 <CosmoHill> try /usr/lib/rpm/macro and see what %patch is
Aug 17 19:53:31 <ali1234> i don't know how to get inside the chroot to check it
Aug 17 19:53:43 <ali1234> i'll try to build locally
Aug 17 19:54:20 <CosmoHill> patch -Np1 -i %{PATCH0}
Aug 17 19:54:26 <CosmoHill> I have that in one of my spec files
Aug 17 19:55:56 <CosmoHill> %patch0 -p1 << would be the same, in theory
Aug 17 19:58:15 <vgrade> ali1234, my gcc build log from maemo OBS against modified prjconf with atom and ssse3 flags remove
Aug 17 19:58:19 <vgrade> http://pastebin.com/rZ8Qxtj6
Aug 17 19:59:02 <ali1234> you used 1.0
Aug 17 19:59:07 <ali1234> i am using trunk
Aug 17 19:59:16 <ali1234> i never tried 1.0... it's so old
Aug 17 19:59:23 <arjan> CosmoHill: in meego at least we have a strong preference for -p1 patches
Aug 17 19:59:23 <vgrade> but works :)
Aug 17 19:59:30 <ali1234> maybe it will work better if it diverged less from fedora at that point
Aug 17 19:59:36 <ali1234> then i can bootstrap trunk against it
Aug 17 19:59:37 <arjan> (just for consistency reasons.. we need to pick one as prefered and -p1 made sense)
Aug 17 20:00:01 <CosmoHill> all the patche I've applied have been -p1
Aug 17 20:00:17 <CosmoHill> i have no idea what it means tho :/
Aug 17 20:00:21 <vgrade> arjan, did you see the GMA500 MeeGo video's
Aug 17 20:00:29 <CosmoHill> something to do with the parent directory?
Aug 17 20:00:47 <ali1234> CosmoHill: it means strip the first directory off file paths when looking for the files to patch
Aug 17 20:01:01 <CosmoHill> thanks
Aug 17 20:01:27 <CosmoHill> ali1234: I'd say you're welcome to look at my spec files but i don't know if that will help or make things worse :/
Aug 17 20:01:33 <ali1234> so when i build against fedora it wants to patch like: /usr/bin/patch -s -p0 -b --suffix .hack~ --fuzz=0
Aug 17 20:01:34 <arjan> vgrade: I've seen some of them.
Aug 17 20:01:50 <arjan> vgrade: surprised it works that well... we've had nothing but problems with it
Aug 17 20:01:59 <vgrade> http://www.youtube.com/user/vgrade100
Aug 17 20:01:59 <arjan> to the point that we couldn't get it to reliably work.
Aug 17 20:02:15 <ali1234> but seriously who thought it would be a good idea if srpms just relied on whatever the operating system defined way of patching was?
Aug 17 20:02:18 <vgrade> netbook, handset and ivi, the full set!
Aug 17 20:03:13 <lcuk> for now
Aug 17 20:03:36 <ali1234> might as well give meego 1.0 a shot, i doubt it will make a difference though
Aug 17 20:03:51 <vgrade> arjan, dead end for now as the EMGD drivers have been pulled from repo.meego
Aug 17 20:05:06 <arjan> they were on there?
Aug 17 20:05:08 <arjan> yikes
Aug 17 20:05:14 <arjan> we weren't allowed to distribute them
Aug 17 20:05:17 <arjan> surprise they were on that
Aug 17 20:05:30 <vgrade> :)
Aug 17 20:05:40 <arjan> (anyway if you got them... you don't have a license to redistribute either I'm sure ;-)
Aug 17 20:05:56 <TSCHAKeee> funny thing, by the time the GMA500 woes are solved, we'll have whole new chipsets to worry about :P
Aug 17 20:06:00 <arjan> can't say I like the situation
Aug 17 20:06:04 <arjan> but it is what it is
Aug 17 20:06:26 <arjan> TSCHAK: GMA500 seems best solved with a really big sledgehammer to turn the silicon back into sand ;-(
Aug 17 20:06:35 <vgrade> There was some talk about the GMA600
Aug 17 20:06:37 <TSCHAKeee> ................starting to....agree.....
Aug 17 20:06:45 <arjan> vgrade: which sadly is a ratehr different beast
Aug 17 20:06:50 <arjan> incompatible to gma500
Aug 17 20:06:59 <TSCHAKeee> does it suck less?
Aug 17 20:07:12 <arjan> it'll suck differently
Aug 17 20:07:27 <Stskeeps> the new emgd drivers seemed very like the pvr-bin ones at least, at least they shared the imgtec/pvr typical libs we also have on n900
Aug 17 20:07:30 <TSCHAKeee> *STIMPY-VOICE* JOOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Aug 17 20:07:32 <lcuk> ok, like a superhero
Aug 17 20:07:34 <vgrade> so will EMGD ever see the light of day on MeeGo
Aug 17 20:07:39 <lcuk> GMA500 was written to do something
Aug 17 20:07:44 <lcuk> what is its special skill?
Aug 17 20:07:52 <TSCHAKeee> it's low power
Aug 17 20:08:01 <Stskeeps> vgrade: best we can hope for is it being provided through same means IEGD used to be
Aug 17 20:08:07 <lcuk> what can you do with it that works well?
Aug 17 20:08:12 <TSCHAKeee> um
Aug 17 20:08:16 <ali1234> lcuk it's powervr same as in n900
Aug 17 20:08:25 <TSCHAKeee> yeah
Aug 17 20:08:26 <ali1234> licensed and rebranded
Aug 17 20:08:29 <TSCHAKeee> still though.. um.
Aug 17 20:08:30 <lcuk> of course ali1234 - i am asking specific question
Aug 17 20:08:42 <lcuk> the chip was not put in so the collective mass of developers could facepalm at it
Aug 17 20:08:45 <lcuk> so whats it good at
Aug 17 20:09:02 <ali1234> it's good at 3d acceleration on mobile devices
Aug 17 20:09:18 <TSCHAKeee> whilst having relatively low power consumption
Aug 17 20:09:31 <lcuk> but everyone who tries to use it for that fails - is it the mechanism of 3d being used? or the texture sizes or what?
Aug 17 20:09:34 <TSCHAKeee> although nowhere near ARM's numbers yet
Aug 17 20:09:36 <lcuk> does it do any 3d rendering well?
Aug 17 20:09:43 <lcuk> particular sorts of rendering?
Aug 17 20:09:50 <ali1234> what do you mean everyone fails?
Aug 17 20:10:14 <TSCHAKeee> the issue is that the chipset is not free software friendly _AT ALL_
Aug 17 20:10:18 <lcuk> well ali1234 i have never seen anyone say "ooof this GMA500 is awesome, it lets me do ......"
Aug 17 20:10:24 <lcuk> ooh ^
Aug 17 20:10:36 <ali1234> yes the issue is no open source drivers, same as on n900
Aug 17 20:10:56 <lcuk> yes, well the n900 can do 3d
Aug 17 20:11:02 <ali1234> exactly
Aug 17 20:11:06 <TSCHAKeee> it's the same core
Aug 17 20:11:11 <lcuk> we have nice fast 3d games and the WM uses it etc
Aug 17 20:11:12 <ali1234> it can do 3d support if you run a stock rom
Aug 17 20:11:15 <TSCHAKeee> (the gpu is licensed from powerVR)
Aug 17 20:11:51 <lcuk> so this is *purely* a driver issue, powervr is fully capable?
Aug 17 20:11:54 <ali1234> yes
Aug 17 20:12:00 <lcuk> at the netbook resolutions
Aug 17 20:12:01 <lcuk> ok
Aug 17 20:12:17 <ali1234> the only driver for GMA500 was a binary only release for ubuntu on dell netbooks
Aug 17 20:12:28 <vgrade> arjan, so will EMGD every be part of MeeGo
Aug 17 20:12:32 <lcuk> and who wrote the driver?
Aug 17 20:12:33 <ali1234> the driver is compiled against that specific kernel and xorg, and does not work properly elsewhere
Aug 17 20:12:39 <TSCHAKeee> i'm guessing NOT
Aug 17 20:12:59 <ali1234> the driver was written by power i guess. that's not important
Aug 17 20:13:00 <TSCHAKeee> lcuk: Intel, with the usual mess of licensed code from various places
Aug 17 20:13:00 <vgrade> im asking the architect
Aug 17 20:13:08 <lcuk> ali1234, so where is the source?
Aug 17 20:13:11 <lcuk> it does matter
Aug 17 20:13:16 <ali1234> lcuk there is no source
Aug 17 20:13:23 <TSCHAKeee> it's a commercial black box.
Aug 17 20:13:24 <ali1234> lcuk same as there is no source for the n900 driver
Aug 17 20:13:24 <lcuk> there is, its just not released?
Aug 17 20:13:31 <lcuk> :|
Aug 17 20:13:37 <lcuk> source does exist
Aug 17 20:13:38 <ali1234> if it is not released it may as well not exist
Aug 17 20:13:57 <ali1234> it does exist and it will never be released
Aug 17 20:14:15 <lcuk> come on, I am asking serious questions here - I know how closed source development works, I am the integrator for Nokia Maemo AF
Aug 17 20:14:24 <TSCHAKeee> trust me, it's frustrating for all of us involved.. I'm wanting to run MeeGo on a Nokia Netbook 3G...beautiful little guy, great power consumption #s, but it's GMA500..yeaugh
Aug 17 20:14:59 <ali1234> lcuk what answer do you expect? intel do not own the code to release it - it is licensed
Aug 17 20:15:05 <lcuk> ali1234, so, there is someone sat on the source for this piece of silicon at imagination tech?
Aug 17 20:15:12 <Stskeeps> TSCHAKeee: people did already run meego on there ow, hough
Aug 17 20:15:12 <Stskeeps> :P
Aug 17 20:15:20 <ali1234> i dont knwo exactly *who* wrote it
Aug 17 20:15:22 <lcuk> or is it intel themselves
Aug 17 20:15:29 <lcuk> any clues in the binary?
Aug 17 20:15:30 <CosmoHill> ali1234: can I see your spec file?
Aug 17 20:15:39 <vgrade> arjan, ?
Aug 17 20:15:41 <TSCHAKeee> stskeeps: basically shoehorning EMGD onto it after the fact?
Aug 17 20:15:41 <Stskeeps> the silly situation is even worse by the fact that it seems like imgtec is softening up and allowing redistribution
Aug 17 20:15:46 <Stskeeps> TSCHAKeee: bingo
Aug 17 20:15:59 <ali1234> CosmoHill: i didn't modify the spec for gcc
Aug 17 20:16:13 <lcuk> Stskeeps, shades of n810 situation
Aug 17 20:17:22 <lcuk> is meego expecting to be using a single kernel series for foreseeable period
Aug 17 20:17:53 <lcuk> ie if all this was followed up and someone manages to produce another binary out from some hole or other which works on meego netbook will it make people happy for a while?
Aug 17 20:18:07 <ali1234> for a while :)
Aug 17 20:18:33 <lcuk> then at the point that happens, the chain of source and people incharge get documented
Aug 17 20:18:37 <lcuk> so that its easier next time
Aug 17 20:18:39 <Stskeeps> hopefully meego can in the long term help solve some of these blob issues..
Aug 17 20:18:46 <lcuk> indeed
Aug 17 20:19:24 <lcuk> so, all the intel people who have contact with other intel people and imgtec people - talk and discuss and have beers and find out what can be done ?
Aug 17 20:19:48 <vgrade> arjan, thanks
Aug 17 20:19:51 <lcuk> does imgtec have irc ?
Aug 17 20:20:10 <lcuk> since technically their code is in the principle reference devices
Aug 17 20:20:14 <lcuk> wouldnt they like a voice
Aug 17 20:21:01 <ali1234> why would they? would foxconn want a voice too? i'm sure there's some of their parts in there somewhere
Aug 17 20:21:47 <lcuk> I am sure their image could be improved substantially
Aug 17 20:21:50 * Ux4ever left the chat, good night
Aug 17 20:22:02 <lcuk> \o
Aug 17 20:22:50 <lcuk> and ali1234 has anyone invited them?
Aug 17 20:23:04 <ali1234> how should i know?
Aug 17 20:23:27 <ali1234> i'm just some guy on irc
Aug 17 20:23:28 * auke gets tired of word-twisting zealots
Aug 17 20:23:56 <auke> why does everyone need to take mailing list threads out of context to prove a point?
Aug 17 20:24:20 <auke> it's not slashdot!!!
Aug 17 20:25:10 <CosmoHill> yet
Aug 17 20:25:59 <auke> I mean, why is it so wrong to post my concerns when someone asks about developing meego apps on windows? I did answer his question in the very first reply, that it was perfectly possible :(
Aug 17 20:26:14 <UlfHofemeier> auke: http://www.despair.com/cudi.html
Aug 17 20:26:52 <auke> UlfHofemeier: indeed
Aug 17 20:27:02 <ali1234> is that on -community? i unsubscribed yesterday to test it works and forgot to resubscribe
Aug 17 20:27:05 <ali1234> (i guess it does work)
Aug 17 20:29:23 <auke> ali1234: yes
Aug 17 20:30:08 <ali1234> i don't understand why you think running the SDK on windows vs linux makes any difference when you actually test?
Aug 17 20:30:20 <ali1234> if you are testing seriously you are testing on a device
Aug 17 20:30:37 <ali1234> so what difference does it make where you compile?
Aug 17 20:31:10 <auke> none, but the thread started with someone who doesn't even have a device
Aug 17 20:31:21 <ali1234> well nobody has a device yet, they are not available
Aug 17 20:31:40 <Pforce> they are, few thousand euros though
Aug 17 20:31:44 <Pforce> :>
Aug 17 20:31:47 * CosmoHill makes a clamav spec file
Aug 17 20:31:54 <Stskeeps> its probably not going to matter for app sdk anyway - it never tries to run the app when built for a diff target
Aug 17 20:32:00 <ali1234> you might as well say "give up unless you work for intel"
Aug 17 20:32:05 <ali1234> would have been about as helpful
Aug 17 20:33:01 <ali1234> plus, if he wants to develop for arm, then qemu works exactly the same on windows or linux
Aug 17 20:33:31 <ali1234> it's only if you want to develop for meego x86 that yo usuddenly end in a situation where you *have* to buy a core 2 and you *have* to run linux on it
Aug 17 20:34:10 <Stskeeps> which isnt the case
Aug 17 20:34:18 <ali1234> i know it isn't the case
Aug 17 20:34:23 <ali1234> but the alternative is worse
Aug 17 20:34:43 <lcuk> does qemu now support yuv video modes?
Aug 17 20:34:54 * lcuk remembers when hrw tried getting stuff working on it
Aug 17 20:36:57 <auke> ali1234: no device yet but this person doesn't even have a linux system
Aug 17 20:37:05 <auke> excuse me for raising eyebrows
Aug 17 20:37:07 <auke> lol
Aug 17 20:37:09 <auke> seriously?
Aug 17 20:37:27 <ali1234> it boils down to, why is testing your qt app which is native built for linux any more valid than testing your qt app native on windows?
Aug 17 20:37:56 <auke> ali1234: no, it boils down to eating your own dogfood
Aug 17 20:38:08 <Pforce> ali1234: you the same guy who started the ogre work for n900? :)
Aug 17 20:38:13 <ali1234> yes
Aug 17 20:38:16 <auke> if you don't eat your own dogfood, you don't know how it tastes :)
Aug 17 20:38:19 <ali1234> well no, i didn't start it
Aug 17 20:38:24 <ali1234> i just continued it for a while :)
Aug 17 20:38:31 <auke> <- eats his own dogfood
Aug 17 20:38:41 <Pforce> ive been using 1.7.1 with gles1 for a while
Aug 17 20:38:47 <Pforce> just ran that on maemo
Aug 17 20:38:48 <mneptok> wait ... it's dog*food*?! poor Fluffy! barbecued for naught.
Aug 17 20:38:50 <Pforce> x86
Aug 17 20:38:58 <auke> mneptok: cry
Aug 17 20:39:07 <ali1234> auke: i don't understand what that means?
Aug 17 20:39:26 <auke> ali1234: it means doing more than testing your code, it means actually using it
Aug 17 20:39:34 <auke> for instance
Aug 17 20:39:43 <auke> if you designed pace makers, implant one in your chest
Aug 17 20:39:50 <auke> that's eating your dogfood
Aug 17 20:39:53 <auke> own*
Aug 17 20:39:56 <auke> :)
Aug 17 20:40:17 <ali1234> so why is it necessary for him to use a linux box to develop, if he gets a device?
Aug 17 20:40:24 <Pforce> it builds, ship it
Aug 17 20:40:31 <ali1234> s/necessary/desirable/
Aug 17 20:40:31 <infobot> ali1234 meant: so why is it desirable for him to use a linux box to develop, if he gets a device?
Aug 17 20:40:49 <Pforce> lol nice bot :)
Aug 17 20:42:45 <ali1234> i'm really getting a bit tired of this "you must buy into our community and become a <...> developer" stuff. i'm hearing same thing over in ubuntu too
Aug 17 20:42:54 <CosmoHill> ali1234: http://download.bluesquarelinux.co.uk/felix/SPECS/clamav.spec-3 :)
Aug 17 20:43:06 <ali1234> like if you target multiple platforms you are doing something wrong
Aug 17 20:43:22 <CosmoHill> at the moment I don't
Aug 17 20:43:34 <ali1234> everything about maemo was about making me manage my projects in garage
Aug 17 20:43:42 <ali1234> while all ubuntu wants is me to put my project on launchpad
Aug 17 20:44:00 <ali1234> why should i put my code on either one if it works perfectly well on both platforms?
Aug 17 20:44:48 <ali1234> for all its problems, at least OBS lets me compile for many different distros all in one place
Aug 17 20:46:32 <ali1234> i'll even try to test on as many as i can
Aug 17 20:46:43 <ali1234> of course that is subject to those distros actually working on some hardware that i own
Aug 17 20:46:53 * CosmoHill looks at meego
Aug 17 20:47:15 <ali1234> if buying an official meego device is a prerequisite to developing for meego, then that sucks
Aug 17 20:47:16 <auke> ali1234: I never said he should develop on linux
Aug 17 20:47:34 <ali1234> auke: yes you did, in your first post in the thread
Aug 17 20:47:34 <auke> you're again, drawing conclusions from thin air
Aug 17 20:47:55 <ali1234> you very strongly implied that is he was "serious" he should develop in linux
Aug 17 20:47:59 <ali1234> http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2010-August/001424.html
Aug 17 20:48:21 <auke> which I explained later
Aug 17 20:48:32 <auke> "developing" means "writing code" plus "testing"
Aug 17 20:48:48 <ali1234> later on you explained that what you actually meant was, windows is fine, and actually he should buy a device
Aug 17 20:48:53 <ali1234> ?
Aug 17 20:50:51 <auke> I could develop my code on a typewriter, and have it validated on a real device, or, with the lack thereof, at least a meego system
Aug 17 20:50:57 <ali1234> yeah
Aug 17 20:51:00 <auke> where you write your code on is irrelevant
Aug 17 20:51:15 <auke> the part which people are looking over is this person doesn't even have _a_ linux system
Aug 17 20:51:23 <ali1234> so what?
Aug 17 20:51:26 <auke> and probably not even a linux running in a vm
Aug 17 20:51:36 <auke> he's developing something for meego?
Aug 17 20:51:37 <auke> actually
Aug 17 20:51:46 <auke> I doubt he's developing something for meego at all
Aug 17 20:52:03 <auke> it sounds more like someone just read a news post and wants to "develop" (sans platform)
Aug 17 20:52:22 <ali1234> who was it saying we should like of meego development like cross compiling?
Aug 17 20:52:50 <auke> you can cross compile all you want
Aug 17 20:53:01 <ali1234> android is based on linux, are you going to try to tell me that it's better to develop android apps on ubuntu than windows?
Aug 17 20:53:13 <ali1234> i hope not, because that would be insane
Aug 17 20:53:15 <auke> I personally would like you to test your code on a device that comes close to the real thing, is what I'm after
Aug 17 20:53:43 <auke> android isn't linux in my book
Aug 17 20:53:52 <auke> certainly not android app development
Aug 17 20:55:11 <fprimex> vgrade: hey, can I msg you?
Aug 17 20:55:30 <Macer> http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/HandsetTestReport/N900Sanity20100817
Aug 17 20:55:33 <Macer> ouch :)
Aug 17 20:55:39 <Macer> seems to have a very very very long way to go
Aug 17 20:56:44 <lcuk> it does, but every step we collectively take towards it helps
Aug 17 20:58:13 <ali1234> i still don't understand why you think running some Qt app under ubuntu on a i7 and a 1080p monitor would be more faithful to the meego experience than running it on a windows box of same spec
Aug 17 20:58:41 <Macer> lcuk: yeah i suppose that's true. but the life expectancy is diminishing on the n900
Aug 17 20:58:52 <ali1234> there would be almost no difference at all between them, and they would be both very different to the experience you get from a netbook
Aug 17 20:59:11 <lcuk> Macer, you had given up on the n900 before it was released
Aug 17 20:59:28 <auke> qgil: ty for your post
Aug 17 20:59:30 <lcuk> you only came back to it after trying other things first ;)
Aug 17 20:59:50 <Macer> lcuk: no i didn't ;) i gave up on it after it was released
Aug 17 21:00:06 <Macer> really i loved my n900 up until the point where nokia did this maemo/meego stuff
Aug 17 21:00:21 <Macer> which would have been fine if they had something for the n900 in place :) but alas they did not
Aug 17 21:00:21 <auke> ali1234: actually, I disagree that running a Qt app on an i7 is more close to a handset than on a windows system, user experience wise
Aug 17 21:00:22 <qgil> auke: I hope it helps to keep you working on funny things  :)
Aug 17 21:00:31 <auke> qgil: gah, I wish
Aug 17 21:00:49 <qgil> auke: beyond my reach, then  ;)
Aug 17 21:01:18 <auke> ali1234: but, someone interested in meego running linux is one step ahead of someone running windows only no matter what.
Aug 17 21:01:23 <lcuk> auke, ali1234 - do any of the desktop machines have an accelerometer?
Aug 17 21:01:27 <lcuk> can you make calls on them :P
Aug 17 21:01:40 <lcuk> huh auke ?
Aug 17 21:01:44 <ali1234> auke: ah so the problem is just that you think windows developers are noobs?
Aug 17 21:01:45 <lcuk> with qt why does that matter
Aug 17 21:01:53 <auke> ali1234: no, did I say that?
Aug 17 21:02:04 <ali1234> lcuk well exactly. you wont have that stuff whether you run linux or windows. so which one you use does not matter at all
Aug 17 21:02:21 <ali1234> "someone interested in meego running linux is one step ahead of someone running windows only no matter what."
Aug 17 21:02:28 <auke> at least a netbook comes close to having the power envelope of a handset
Aug 17 21:02:41 <auke> and the cpu performance
Aug 17 21:02:52 <auke> and a smaller form factor
Aug 17 21:02:54 <lcuk> no, windows extra processes take care of that
Aug 17 21:02:58 <auke> lol
Aug 17 21:03:10 <auke> lcuk: touche'
Aug 17 21:03:12 <lcuk> many win users have cpu availability less than equiv linux ones, so experience is closer to handheld :P
Aug 17 21:03:29 <auke> alright let me switch all my boxes to windows 7
Aug 17 21:03:36 <auke> I'll be on par again
Aug 17 21:03:37 <lcuk> but that is a different rgument
Aug 17 21:04:38 <CosmoHill> http://meego.com/users/cosmo
Aug 17 21:04:40 <CosmoHill> to da!
Aug 17 21:05:13 <ali1234> so you don't think there is any advantage to using linux over using windows for development... so why do you keep arguing in the damn thread?
Aug 17 21:05:35 <lcuk> qgil, I saw your post about the hacker dojo near you!  have you been often and do they give out colored belts to the guys?
Aug 17 21:06:55 <vlj> hi
Aug 17 21:06:58 <qgil> lcuk: I'm still landing in Mountain View and surroundings. Didn't find a good excuse yet to visit but...
Aug 17 21:07:02 <vlj> vgrade: ping
Aug 17 21:07:35 <vgrade_nb> hi vlj
Aug 17 21:07:58 <qgil> lcuk: ... actually yesterday I found a first excuse, even if I'm not that familiar with the topic http://www.meetup.com/cloudcomputing/calendar/14264960/
Aug 17 21:08:28 <vlj> I'm trying to apply linux-2.6.33-ivi-img-graphic-driver.patch to a linux 2.34 kernel
Aug 17 21:08:32 <qgil> by the way, do you know MeeGo interested people in San Francisco Bay Area?
Aug 17 21:08:55 <vlj> however I have a " /usr/src/packages/BUILD/emgd/emgd/gmm/gtt.c:133:39: error: 'file_rss' undeclared (first use in this function) " error
Aug 17 21:09:40 <vlj> and actually there is file_rss neither in kernel source nor in emgd* files added by this patch, except gtt.c of course
Aug 17 21:09:59 <vgrade_nb> vlj, ah, I think DRM changed after 2.33 so this EMGD version does not work as you have found
Aug 17 21:09:59 <auke> ali1234: development includes *testing*
Aug 17 21:10:22 <lcuk> qgil theres this great lady who comes in here who might be nearby - I think her nick is dawn something :P
Aug 17 21:10:26 <vlj> so I must stick with 2.6.33 kernel or ...?
Aug 17 21:10:36 <ali1234> auke: we already established that linux and windows are equally unsuitable for that task
Aug 17 21:10:40 <b-man`> DawnFoster
Aug 17 21:10:44 <DawnFoster> who?
Aug 17 21:10:44 <qgil> dawn is in Portland
Aug 17 21:10:44 <vgrade_nb> vlj, yes
Aug 17 21:10:52 <DawnFoster> and yes, I am in Portland
Aug 17 21:10:57 <auke> ali1234: my point, I was trying to tell the person he needs a target platform to test
Aug 17 21:11:02 <lcuk> qgil, and I bet those sort of meetups will help to find others over there, did you get your netbook working yet? I saw you and daniel still having issues
Aug 17 21:11:03 <vgrade_nb> vlj, see http://wiki.meego.com/User:Vgrade#GMA500_.28no.29Future_on_Meego,
Aug 17 21:11:07 <vlj> there is no trivial patch for that ? ;)
Aug 17 21:11:23 <DawnFoster> I'll probably start some kind of meego meetup in pdx, but not quite yet
Aug 17 21:11:26 <lcuk> ahh DawnFoster are you not that close to qgils location?
Aug 17 21:11:39 * lcuk does not know how spread out people in the US are
Aug 17 21:11:41 <DawnFoster> it's a 2 hour flight
Aug 17 21:11:48 <vlj> thx
Aug 17 21:11:49 <ali1234> auke: so why you couldn't just say that instead making some cryptic response about "playing around" and implying he's a noob for using windows, and then arguing like hell with everyone who responded?
Aug 17 21:11:49 <lcuk> eep, flights!
Aug 17 21:11:52 <lcuk> that far
Aug 17 21:11:57 <DawnFoster> or a 2 day drive :)
Aug 17 21:12:25 <auke> ali1234: I tried, yet people twist my words?
Aug 17 21:12:25 <vgrade_nb> vlj, not looked at it, as there are other hurdles, ie updated Xorg and the EMGD drivers being pulled
Aug 17 21:12:37 <b-man`> meh, me and my dd drove about 1200 miles in one day once
Aug 17 21:12:39 <lcuk> DawnFoster, rocket cars.
Aug 17 21:12:42 <b-man`> *dad
Aug 17 21:12:47 <qgil> I guess it's a beautiful road trip - difficult to convince my manager to cover as "meeting with Intel"  ;)
Aug 17 21:13:25 <ali1234> auke: i didn't read any of the replies, i only read *your* posts
Aug 17 21:13:26 <lcuk> "testing gps"
Aug 17 21:13:41 <lcuk> *thoroughly
Aug 17 21:13:46 <ali1234> auke: so you cannot blame people for twisting your words, you wrote what you wrote
Aug 17 21:14:36 <leinir> Funny thing with words: Context changes their meaning.
Aug 17 21:15:16 <vlj> vgrade_nb: the EMGD drivers are removed from the mirror ?
Aug 17 21:15:54 <vgrade_nb> ah, did not check that
Aug 17 21:17:10 <lcuk> do we have any meego apps that have been shown running on all instances?
Aug 17 21:17:28 <tripzero> instances == vertical?
Aug 17 21:17:34 <lcuk> no, real
Aug 17 21:17:40 * lcuk strongly dislikes virtual machines
Aug 17 21:17:44 <tripzero> like netbook, handset, etc?
Aug 17 21:17:51 <tripzero> vertical not virtual
Aug 17 21:17:52 <lcuk> yes
Aug 17 21:18:00 <vgrade_nb> vlj, gone from mirror.kernel.org
Aug 17 21:18:28 <tripzero> lcuk, i don't know of any.  Most handset apps are written in meegotouch
Aug 17 21:18:57 <lcuk> but wont these devices support native qt for instance?
Aug 17 21:18:59 <auke> ali1234: hey I just read the bible without any context.
Aug 17 21:19:09 <lcuk> if I wanted a simple database app or something
Aug 17 21:19:49 <CosmoHill> hmm
Aug 17 21:19:49 <CosmoHill> crap
Aug 17 21:20:04 <CosmoHill> Just worked out that my cluster could be replaced by one computer >.<
Aug 17 21:20:14 <lcuk> hah
Aug 17 21:20:39 <CosmoHill> would make it a lot easier to compile meego tho ^.^
Aug 17 21:21:18 <lcuk> we need rice racers in here
Aug 17 21:21:29 <lcuk> "I managed to compile the mego stack in under 4 minutes"
Aug 17 21:21:32 <tripzero> lcuk, ah, if it's pure qt, sure
Aug 17 21:21:59 <tripzero> on a handset, it'll be theme'd to look like a meegotouch app wihtout any code changes...
Aug 17 21:22:20 <vlj> ok
Aug 17 21:22:23 <tripzero> although, changes may be required to make it look "right"
Aug 17 21:22:31 <auke> lcuk: lol, I guess we'd need to ditch OBS ;)
Aug 17 21:22:41 <lcuk> ok tripzero so someone (vgrade hinthint) could actually run some hello meego app now on all his compatible machines?
Aug 17 21:22:48 <lcuk> auke, no
Aug 17 21:22:56 <tripzero> lcuk, yeah, if it's pure qt
Aug 17 21:23:36 <lcuk> do we have a simple "hello meego" app with a cover screen and some stuff? :D
Aug 17 21:24:05 <tripzero> have as in, in the repo>?
Aug 17 21:24:18 <lcuk> yeah, it would be good to have something
Aug 17 21:24:18 <tripzero> i'm sure someone could write one real quick
Aug 17 21:24:30 <tripzero> put it in the public obs when it works
Aug 17 21:24:34 <lcuk> "ported machine #744637 meego now runs on toasters"
Aug 17 21:24:59 <tripzero> hehe
Aug 17 21:25:56 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: "OE says `hi, long time no see!' toaster melts down"
Aug 17 21:26:13 <lcuk> :D
Aug 17 21:26:16 <mneptok> QT = Quite Toasted
Aug 17 21:26:59 <CosmoHill> Quee....never mind
Aug 17 21:47:11 <CosmoHill> damn clamav
Aug 17 21:47:28 <CosmoHill> this is were testing my packages on a VM first comes in handy
Aug 17 22:06:56 <ali1234> where should i post bug reports about the nokia qt sdk?
Aug 17 22:07:25 <CosmoHill> ali1234: thiago's desk
Aug 17 22:07:30 <ali1234> hah
Aug 17 22:07:46 <CosmoHill> on a side note, never leave a pack of post-it notes near me
Aug 17 22:08:00 <ali1234> i installed it and it stole all file associations. i feel like i went back in time 15 years
Aug 17 22:08:19 <CosmoHill> aww
Aug 17 22:08:25 <CosmoHill> I need to install Qt on my mac
Aug 17 22:08:34 <CosmoHill> again
Aug 17 22:10:11 <ali1234> looks like i have to submit through the generic forum nokia system
Aug 17 22:10:24 <CosmoHill> isn't that a nightmare?
Aug 17 22:10:29 <ali1234> yes
Aug 17 22:10:43 <CosmoHill> i tread carefully on the internet
Aug 17 22:12:44 <ali1234> you're doing it wrong
Aug 17 22:13:15 <CosmoHill> ali1234: he has "kde" in his host name. quick, get him!
Aug 17 22:13:44 <ali1234> don't get me started on that one
Aug 17 22:14:28 <CosmoHill> maybe tomorrow, I've ran out of popcorn
Aug 17 22:55:19 <ali1234> Stskeeps: when you say i'm inheriting the prjconf from fedora 13, would that be this? https://build.opensuse.org/project/prjconf?project=Fedora:13
Aug 17 23:03:52 <vgrade> ali1234, my prjconf copied from maemo edited to remove the atom and ssse3 flags, http://pastebin.com/UH13K6Yq
Aug 17 23:04:19 <ali1234> vgrade seen it, it's no use since i have no SSSE3 server
Aug 17 23:06:17 <ali1234> i have no choice but to compile a meego toolchain against fedora or opensuse
Aug 17 23:06:50 <ScottishDuck> lol
Aug 17 23:07:01 <ScottishDuck> pick your poison
Aug 17 23:10:53 <lcuk> vgrade, :) does lbt know of this file?
Aug 17 23:14:02 <CosmoHill> lcuk: "#
Aug 17 23:14:03 <CosmoHill> # Removed by lbt - liblua not in mirror 14Jul2010"
Aug 17 23:14:55 <ali1234> cgrade so what repository does that prjconf build against exactly?
Aug 17 23:15:05 <ali1234> oops i mean vgrade :)
Aug 17 23:16:20 <CosmoHill> oo, I see x86_64
Aug 17 23:16:22 <lcuk> CosmoHill, I meant more of the specific edits
Aug 17 23:16:33 <lcuk> not the fact that he has edited himself in the past
Aug 17 23:16:48 <CosmoHill> ah I'm with you
Aug 17 23:17:40 * lcuk goes back to sed and apt bashing
Aug 17 23:20:35 <CosmoHill> I'm trying to update / improve my clamav rpm
Aug 17 23:20:38 <vgrade> vgrade, my file meaning the file I'm using
Aug 17 23:21:04 <CosmoHill> s/vgrade/ali1234/
Aug 17 23:22:46 <vgrade> buills against MeeGo_1.0_Core
Aug 17 23:29:10 <CosmoHill> I've just notice, we're competing against Android yet the default browser is Chrome. what's up with that?
Aug 17 23:29:49 <ali1234> CosmoHill: chrome on the arm build?
Aug 17 23:29:59 <CosmoHill> I was thinking x86
Aug 17 23:30:10 <ali1234> android isn't really meant for x86 and netbooks at all
Aug 17 23:30:31 <CosmoHill> chrome isn't meant for non x86 stuff
Aug 17 23:30:38 <ali1234> exactly
Aug 17 23:30:45 <ali1234> so there is no overlap, no competition
Aug 17 23:30:49 <CosmoHill> I found that out when I went to download it
Aug 17 23:31:06 <ali1234> im sure you could get chromium from ubuntu-arm
Aug 17 23:31:17 <ali1234> and port it to n900
Aug 17 23:31:22 <ali1234> maybe not, i never checked
Aug 17 23:31:22 <CosmoHill> I meant for my powerpc mac
Aug 17 23:31:32 <ali1234> haha, you should build meego for power
Aug 17 23:31:44 <CosmoHill> I will at some point
Aug 17 23:31:45 <ali1234> that really would be challenging
Aug 17 23:31:48 <CosmoHill> just waiting for a new mac
Aug 17 23:32:00 <CosmoHill> well I do need to sort out my dissertation question
Aug 17 23:32:19 <ali1234> i'm beginning to think the easiest way for me to make this work would be to compile against meego binary rpms and just implement the ssse3 emulating kernel patch
Aug 17 23:32:21 <CosmoHill> porting a distro would be more challenging than building one from source code :/
Aug 17 23:33:03 <CosmoHill> it would be easier to recompile a kernel with an additional patch than to recompile everything else
Aug 17 23:34:06 <ali1234> i would only use it for the initial bootstrapping
Aug 17 23:34:49 <ali1234> once i compile meego for i686 once then wouldn't need the kernel patch any more
Aug 17 23:36:36 <ali1234> hmm
Aug 17 23:36:52 <ali1234> or... i could set up the pxe booted worker and run it on my netbook
Aug 17 23:37:01 <ali1234> that can run the meego bins
Aug 17 23:37:13 <CosmoHill> ali1234: you may be interesting but I'm pretty sure most of init 3 is useable on nonSSSE3 computers
Aug 17 23:37:19 <ali1234> and it wouldn't be slowed by virtualization
Aug 17 23:37:46 <ali1234> i am pretty sure glibc needs ssse3
Aug 17 23:38:08 <ScottishDuck> ...
Aug 17 23:38:33 <CosmoHill> Yum and Zypper do but RPM doesn't
Aug 17 23:38:50 <CosmoHill> this is based on that I can't run either of them on a P4 but RPM works
Aug 17 23:39:20 <ali1234> you wont get SIGILL unless you actually execute an illegal instruction
Aug 17 23:39:32 <CosmoHill> hmm
Aug 17 23:40:04 <ali1234> is there anything else the core 2 has and the phenom 2 doesn't have, besides ssse3?
Aug 17 23:41:27 <CosmoHill> wikipedia should tell you
Aug 17 23:43:04 <ScottishDuck> A good architecture
Aug 17 23:43:06 <ScottishDuck> haw haw haw
Aug 17 23:43:13 <ali1234> hurrrr....
Aug 17 23:45:39 <ali1234> vgrade: in your paste, what's up with lines 227, 245, 279?
Aug 17 23:54:17 <CosmoHill> ali1234: what country are you in?
Aug 17 23:54:22 <ali1234> england
Aug 17 23:54:57 <CosmoHill> I was expecting you to say some place in central europe
Aug 17 23:55:17 <ali1234> why?
Aug 17 23:55:26 <CosmoHill> duno, either way it's time for bed
Aug 17 23:56:11 <ali1234> i have noticed recently that my grammar on irc is getting worse, i'm starting to sound like english is my second language
Aug 17 23:56:33 <CosmoHill> I think lcuk asked if english was my second language
Aug 17 23:56:45 <tripzero> irc is my first language
Aug 17 23:57:14 <ali1234> i think i'm just picking up bad habits
Aug 17 23:57:30 <ali1234> from people who's first language is not english :)
Aug 17 23:58:31 <ali1234> hmm i think i'm getting somewhere
Aug 17 23:58:39 <ali1234> "rpm" only depends on "meego-rpm-config"
Aug 17 23:58:51 <ali1234> seems like if i could port those to fedora it might solve my patching woes
Aug 17 23:59:31 <ScottishDuck> the joys of rpm
Aug 18 00:00:20 <ali1234> meego-rpm-config is building :)
Aug 18 00:01:30 <ali1234> well it finished :)
Aug 18 00:04:11 <CosmoHill> ali1234: one thing I hate about packaging RPMs is that if you make a typo in the spec file you need to recompile the whole RPM again
Aug 18 00:04:32 <ali1234> i'm not sure that's true
Aug 18 00:04:47 <ali1234> but in order to do what i am doing, i should not need to edit any spec files
Aug 18 00:05:03 <CosmoHill> true
Aug 18 00:05:13 <ali1234> oh look, installed (but unpackaged) files. again
Aug 18 00:05:27 <ali1234> maybe i should port rpm-check-files too
Aug 18 00:05:41 <CosmoHill> I need to repackage clamav again
Aug 18 00:05:47 <Macer> there isn't an official google talk app for iphone? :)
Aug 18 00:05:49 <Macer> wtf?
Aug 18 00:06:27 <CosmoHill> i think overall there is a lot of improvement for my SPEC files
Aug 18 00:06:43 <CosmoHill> anyway, night night and good luck
Aug 18 00:08:42 <ali1234> rpmcheck built ok
Aug 18 00:09:09 <ali1234> maybe i should just tell OBS to build everything against fedora 13 and just see what it can figure out on it's own
Aug 18 00:09:27 <ali1234> instead of just trying for a simple toolchain
Aug 18 00:11:31 <vgrade> ali1234, good spot, 227,245,279
Aug 18 00:18:24 <ali1234> damn. i can't stop those unpackaged *.la from showing up
Aug 18 00:18:46 <ali1234> and the stupid info/dir that doesn't even make sense
Aug 18 00:18:58 <ali1234> this must be something missing from project environment, but i don't know what
Aug 18 01:07:31 <ali1234> so...... meego-rpm-config provides this /usr/lib/rpm/meego/macros
Aug 18 01:07:43 <ali1234> it's probably quite important that i use that when building meego rpms
Aug 18 01:07:53 <ali1234> can anyone tell me how i would do that?
Aug 18 02:38:23 <Macer> hm
Aug 18 02:38:30 <Macer> does tmob block skype sms or something?
Aug 18 02:50:42 <ali1234> Macer: probably, they block a lot of weird stuff
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