**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 19 02:59:57 2010 Aug 19 03:26:33 balor: no Aug 19 03:26:40 don't think it does Aug 19 03:26:56 sofar: thanks. Aug 19 03:27:04 there's git, I not entirely sure but svn+cvs are there too Aug 19 03:27:42 just checked no there's no bzr Aug 19 04:31:14 why doesn't meego's rpm-python srpm contain a rpm.spec file? it's refered to in the rpm-python.spec and build fails because it doesn't exist Aug 19 04:31:55 copying it over from the rpm srpm makes it work Aug 19 04:32:14 when i look at the rpm-python packages from other distros they contain a copy of the rpm.spec Aug 19 04:32:23 what is different about meego? or is this just a bug? Aug 19 05:32:07 ali1234: either it's a bug, or you're doing something that's not supported, like building it on a non-meego system? Aug 19 05:32:18 either way it might need cleaning up, so, bugreport? Aug 19 05:32:21 yes. which is it? Aug 19 05:32:49 very well i will bug report it Aug 19 05:32:50 could be both :) Aug 19 05:37:13 where am i supposed to report bugs like this? which product? Aug 19 05:38:58 lemme check Aug 19 05:39:18 i'm going for middleware cos it has a "package management" component Aug 19 05:39:51 os base/other will work, but that sounds ok as well Aug 19 05:40:09 middleware/others Aug 19 05:40:17 os base looks like kernel stuff/hardware specific Aug 19 05:40:43 there's more in os base, like fastboot stuff is there Aug 19 05:40:44 dbus Aug 19 05:40:54 my bugs ;) Aug 19 05:41:39 how can i setup build environment for MeeGO? Aug 19 05:43:05 there are lot of git repos around, is there any common script which can download all required components? Aug 19 05:46:52 bkrawal: no Aug 19 05:46:58 nothing like that Aug 19 05:47:00 obs Aug 19 05:55:29 sofar: any alternative which can be used... Aug 19 06:01:05 bkrawal: none, ask your distro to integrate components for you if you're not using meego Aug 19 06:01:31 Hi Aug 19 06:01:45 i just imported every meego source package into my OBS Aug 19 06:01:53 that should give it something to think on... Aug 19 06:06:03 hi Aug 19 06:08:21 ali1234: thanks for pointer, i will try with OBS Aug 19 06:08:33 it wasn't a pointer Aug 19 06:08:39 i'm in the same boat as you Aug 19 06:09:33 i have no idea what i'm doing so i'm trying to solve the problem by just trying everything until something works Aug 19 06:19:31 ali1234: yes something is better then nothing :) Aug 19 06:21:03 Morning, all Aug 19 06:27:55 i have problem with qemu at 64bit os Aug 19 06:28:12 What's going on? Aug 19 06:28:50 we don't know, you have to tell us Aug 19 06:28:54 Chicktopus: what's the problem? Aug 19 06:29:41 Q: "hi, I have a problem". A: "good for you". Aug 19 06:29:47 I can't emu arm platform Aug 19 06:30:04 have you tried asking the qemu ppl? Aug 19 06:30:21 no Aug 19 06:30:54 so far, you haven't mentioned anything except qemu being a problem. I'm wondering if you shouldn't be asking qemu folks Aug 19 06:30:59 When i try run app from meego sdk Aug 19 06:31:12 oh hey, you're trying meego, more information Aug 19 06:32:39 ok, i got it, qemu working good at 32bit platform, at 64bit can be many problems with emu arm platform Aug 19 06:32:44 Sovled Aug 19 06:33:08 Sorry for making problem Aug 19 06:33:26 np just try to be verbose when you have an issue Aug 19 06:33:33 with no information, we can't help Aug 19 06:33:58 ok, sorry, my english is weak :; Aug 19 06:34:40 just... don't be shy Aug 19 08:19:46 Stskeeps: ping Aug 19 08:20:34 pong Aug 19 08:20:49 Stskeeps: do you know why I was added to bug 5420? Aug 19 08:21:25 thiago: not sure why austin added you no Aug 19 08:22:11 Do the terms "DUI" and "MeeGo Touch" refer to the same thing? Aug 19 08:22:20 Venemo: yes, except DUI is more illegal Aug 19 08:22:27 Venemo: MeeGo Touch Framework Aug 19 08:22:59 Stskeeps: how do you mean illegal? Aug 19 08:23:10 Venemo: Driving Under Influence Aug 19 08:23:10 thiago: thanks Aug 19 08:24:02 Stskeeps: oh. :D Aug 19 08:24:16 designed under influence Aug 19 08:24:27 sofar: good one Aug 19 08:24:41 I was looking around MeeGo's gitorious page, and noticed this stuff Aug 19 08:25:07 earlier on, there were souce examples with class names prefixed with "Dui" eg. DuiButton, DuiApplication, etc. Aug 19 08:25:22 but I see that now they are all prefixed with "M" Aug 19 08:25:40 Venemo: dui existed before meego, so Aug 19 08:26:17 Stskeeps: so Dui is now obsolete, and libmeegotouch is what became of it? Aug 19 08:26:24 right Aug 19 08:27:32 ah, thanks Aug 19 08:28:24 but there is still one thing I don't really understand Aug 19 08:29:16 why do we need two differerent classes for each widget? Aug 19 08:29:34 eg. what can the MButton do that QButton can't do? Aug 19 08:31:00 one derives from QWidget, the other from QGraphicsWidget Aug 19 08:43:06 venomo: deriving from QGraphics* stuff enables each widget to be rendered via opengl which was not really possible with QWidget based stuff. Aug 19 08:44:57 thiago: busy ? can i query you for a bit .. Aug 19 08:45:09 jani: go ahead Aug 19 08:46:00 jani: ah... so basically it works on different principles? Aug 19 10:41:47 anyone know what package 'cmp' is part of? Aug 19 10:42:59 do you mean http://mxr.moego.org/repo.meego.com/source/mpfr-2.4.1/cmp.c ? Aug 19 10:44:06 timeless, I mean the cmp 'compare two files byte by byte' tool Aug 19 10:44:18 http://mxr.moego.org/repo.meego.com/source/diffutils-2.8.1/man/cmp.1?force=1 Aug 19 10:44:23 so it looks like diffutils Aug 19 10:44:39 mxr.moego.org is your friend Aug 19 10:45:05 that's awesome Aug 19 10:45:13 * timeless needs to fix it to include .spec files Aug 19 10:45:24 (minor glitch in the way packages work in rpm land) Aug 19 10:48:04 is there something equivalent to using apt-file using yum/rpm ? Aug 19 10:48:20 yes Aug 19 10:48:25 but it requires you to have a working system Aug 19 10:48:29 cmp? what happened to diff? Aug 19 10:48:31 i don't have one of those handy ... Aug 19 10:48:45 otoh, mxr is in the cloud :) Aug 19 10:49:08 timeless, but I do ;-) and it's helpfull for different things than mxr Aug 19 10:49:33 well sometimes it works anywyas Aug 19 10:49:45 http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=apt-file%20rpm Aug 19 10:50:50 cool it's built in, even better than apt-file Aug 19 10:51:06 now if only wifi worked properly... Aug 19 11:03:11 http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/19/nokias-qwerty-slidin-n9-shows-up-in-the-wilds-of-china/ Aug 19 11:03:19 does it looks like a meego interface ? Aug 19 11:03:31 i vote that it's a KIRF running meego Aug 19 11:03:44 =( Aug 19 11:04:27 well it has a nice look, like N8 Aug 19 11:05:05 when is the nokia world event ? Aug 19 11:05:12 n9 is good Aug 19 11:05:32 But i think n9 can be with meego too Aug 19 11:05:55 1ghz cpu is good to MeeGo Aug 19 11:06:11 I would like more news about n9 Aug 19 11:10:47 this is quite ironic that Nokia waits before announcing its product whereas there are bunch of leaks about these products at the same time Aug 19 11:11:18 it would be better to announce it quite early, then reveals the specs latter Aug 19 11:14:04 by the way is meego for hanset considered as a "linux" os ? Aug 19 11:14:15 sure, it is real linux Aug 19 11:14:17 i mean Aug 19 11:14:22 you can run motif if you really wanted Aug 19 11:14:23 :P Aug 19 11:14:27 android is not always considered as linux by reviewer Aug 19 11:14:30 or emacs Aug 19 11:14:38 android sux Aug 19 11:14:47 but it has linux kernel, a framebuffer, Aug 19 11:14:50 things like that Aug 19 11:16:31 does meego ships with a pdf reader ? Aug 19 11:16:57 because adobe sells a lite version of adobe reader Aug 19 11:30:02 vlj: where is adobe selling a lite version of pdf reader for meego? :) Aug 19 11:30:24 I mean, it sells it on ovi store Aug 19 11:30:46 and meego for handset is very likely to give access to ovi store Aug 19 11:31:20 vlj it ships evince, AFAIK Aug 19 11:31:25 ok Aug 19 11:31:55 even on handset version ? Aug 19 11:32:38 anyone of you sells applications in ovi? Aug 19 11:33:29 well, mobile app Aug 19 11:34:45 Because I do not know where better to sell your applications Aug 19 11:35:18 well I do not sell apps, I'm just a user Aug 19 11:35:25 *my applications Aug 19 12:15:52 how can i update connman to more recent revision on vanilla meego (lacking compile abilities i mean) Aug 19 12:23:22 Stskeeps: ping Aug 19 12:23:45 pong Aug 19 12:24:22 you told me yesterday about OBS and how i can use it for creating a custom distribution for meego Aug 19 12:24:42 is there a way where i can set up that system locally on my ubuntu machine? Aug 19 12:25:08 you'll want to set it up on hardware running opensuse Aug 19 12:25:09 less pain Aug 19 12:25:27 hmm Aug 19 12:25:39 thx Aug 19 13:00:51 * mbatle trying to use qt creator debugger from MeeGo SDK and I'm unable to show variables, watches. I cannot add anything to the watch window. Any idea ? Aug 19 13:04:05 mbatle: the contents of the debugger log is usually helpful. right pane of Windows->Views->Debugger Aug 19 13:10:01 andre, yep, that can help, I didn't know that, thanks :) Aug 19 13:26:54 hmh, I'm having some trouble with OBS with a maemo target building me debian packages; for some reason the package state remains "excluded" even after following the instructions from http://ldn.linuxfoundation.org/article/opensuse-build-system-building-deb-packages Aug 19 13:27:27 because I am obviously doing *something* wrong, I could use some help - what are the questions I should be asking myself? Aug 19 13:28:10 it complains in the /usr/share/qtcreator/gdbmacros/dumper.py Aug 19 13:43:12 andre, I get python error "TypeError: 'str' object is not callable\n", any hint ? Aug 19 13:50:11 mbatle: I don't guess before seeing the log Aug 19 13:52:41 andre, http://pastebin.com/FTyerRuQ :) Aug 19 13:54:15 so this is (a) missing Qt debug information and (b) a missing try-catch in dumper.py Aug 19 14:01:43 actually I have compiled with gcc debug information (-g) and it seems to work from plain gdb Aug 19 14:02:20 mbatle: even stepping into Qt code? Aug 19 14:02:48 ahh ok, not that I guess Aug 19 14:03:46 I don't find a qt debug package in meego btw Aug 19 14:03:49 mbatle: a quick workaround for you would be to add a 'return ""' directly under def qtNamespace(): Aug 19 14:04:17 ok, thanks andre Aug 19 14:06:20 mm, I can step into the code, at least the one that is in header files, for the other I don't have the cpps I guess Aug 19 14:15:34 andre, workaround does not really work, it breaks again a few lines later http://pastebin.com/9iW39W7T Aug 19 14:18:53 mbatle: replace the 'dir' with '__builtin__.dir' there Aug 19 14:20:39 DawnFoster, ping, reggie posted something on twitter which highlights the great work airside have done with the meego characters. however their website still shows the moblin stuff. perhaps a nudge would be good http://www.airside.co.uk/work/ Aug 19 14:21:59 he suggests it may be a carryover, I think its oversight ;) Aug 19 14:26:23 andre, great, I got some watches now, thanks for your help Aug 19 14:43:49 anybody has experience with using MTF on N900? Aug 19 14:44:04 (implicating a successful install of MeeGo on the N900 :-)) Aug 19 15:01:33 lcuk: something you might be interested in: http://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showpost.php?p=476653&postcount=26 Aug 19 15:12:02 CosmoHill, nice what uni are you at? Aug 19 15:12:45 www.anglia.ac.uk Aug 19 15:13:01 ARU for short Aug 19 15:13:17 cool, i'm at Kent uni canterbury Aug 19 15:13:31 cool[ Aug 19 15:13:59 dartford crossing has gone up in price hasn't itr? Aug 19 15:14:09 no idea, i'm in spain :-) Aug 19 15:14:28 * CosmoHill blinks Aug 19 15:14:40 note to self: don't blink Aug 19 15:17:11 n9 looks a bit weird, but nice for me :) Aug 19 15:17:31 very strange "n9" label position. Aug 19 15:17:33 I think I saw a video of one. It turned off mid way through and wouldn't turn back on Aug 19 15:17:49 aada all the way ;-) Aug 19 15:19:28 hello evil one er i mean arjan >.> Aug 19 15:22:39 CosmoHill, nice! and last night you showed another side that no exams can do :) Aug 19 15:22:52 * lcuk was very impressed by your questions and responses in the meeting Aug 19 15:23:07 :D Aug 19 15:23:09 thanks :) Aug 19 15:24:37 I've only had 3 exams so far :D Aug 19 15:53:40 CosmoHill: what meeting did I miss this time? :) Aug 19 15:53:51 CosmoHill: was it in meego-dev? Aug 19 15:54:57 XBMC running on aava meego phone - http://twitpic.com/2g71fm Aug 19 15:55:34 sivang, L10N meeting Aug 19 15:58:24 sivang: last nights TSG meeting Aug 19 15:59:31 sivang: http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-08-18-18.58.log.txt Aug 19 16:02:37 CosmoHill: thanks Aug 19 16:02:51 hmm Aug 19 16:03:10 aparantly a polish mail server is trying to connect to my FTP server using the name "Administrator" Aug 19 16:03:17 sorry Aug 19 16:03:17 : Aug 19 16:03:18 P Aug 19 16:03:43 kickban you say? Aug 19 16:03:46 Stskeeps, is your enter key symlinked to your spacebar? Aug 19 16:03:58 MohammadAG51: no, just accident Aug 19 16:04:02 : Aug 19 16:04:02 P Aug 19 17:12:54 does meego have vncserver? Aug 19 17:14:17 not yet iirc Aug 19 17:14:27 vncserver is rather incestious with the X server in how it builds Aug 19 17:14:33 and I tried it a while ago to get it going Aug 19 17:14:36 but I got stuck completely Aug 19 17:14:40 ? Aug 19 17:14:43 :S Aug 19 17:14:50 how can you have problems with the x11 server? Aug 19 17:15:00 if there is one, it should talk the lingo shouldn't it? Aug 19 17:15:07 or is this a compositing issue? Aug 19 17:15:28 no Aug 19 17:15:30 it's with how it builds Aug 19 17:15:43 vncserver kinda buidls half inside half outside the X server Aug 19 17:15:46 but weirdly Aug 19 17:15:55 and tends to be rather peculiar to which versions that works with Aug 19 17:16:03 you effectively end up duplicating the Xorg tarbal in vncserver Aug 19 17:16:06 but even then it's massive Aug 19 17:16:13 hmm Aug 19 17:16:16 I would say just grab one from debian or some other distro who have already overcome this, but well - can the redhat or fedora version be built? Aug 19 17:16:32 does that go for every vncserver variant? like tightvnc or whatever? Aug 19 17:16:45 yeah vnc has spread far and wide Aug 19 17:16:52 fedora packages their X different than we do Aug 19 17:16:59 again I tried for a day a while ago and gave up Aug 19 17:16:59 arjan: err Aug 19 17:17:02 don't let me stop you. Aug 19 17:17:09 we're already duplicating the entire kernel source in the kernel sources tarball Aug 19 17:17:10 but... don't assume it's going to be trivial Aug 19 17:17:18 timeless_mbp: ??? Aug 19 17:17:18 who cares if we duplicate the xorg source in the vnc tarball? Aug 19 17:17:40 timeless_mbp: I don't mind the duplication.. I mind it not working if they mismatch even a little, and I mind it not working with the version of X we have ;) Aug 19 17:17:49 the combination of those two was deadly. Aug 19 17:17:56 what version of x do you have? Aug 19 17:18:04 right now 1.1 is at 1.9-rc Aug 19 17:18:07 http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3702 Aug 19 17:18:26 timeless_mbp: oh kernel-headers not sources Aug 19 17:18:36 arjan: it includes the entire kernel sources Aug 19 17:18:39 kernel-headers is mostly a OBS-workaround Aug 19 17:18:42 yes I know, I own that package. Aug 19 17:19:16 can't say I like doing it that way, but it was the least of the ugly options Aug 19 17:19:19 but, i'd have thought that x11 was a safe enough protocol that it would be hard to mismatch it Aug 19 17:19:30 otoh, i'm a naive guy who assumes the best Aug 19 17:19:33 timeless_mbp: I thought so to. Then I tried it. Aug 19 17:19:34 arjan, are you talking about the version of X in the handset or the netbook or the IVI instance? Aug 19 17:19:34 about things i know which are crap Aug 19 17:19:38 arjan: heh Aug 19 17:19:41 lcuk: all the same version. Aug 19 17:19:56 arjan, how safe (or sane) is it to grab the opensuse package and import it? is that a little closer packaging to what meego is doing? Aug 19 17:19:57 and if the differences are so great, if something as generic as vnc cannot be easily built, what chance of other things Aug 19 17:20:02 arjan, really? Aug 19 17:20:14 lcuk: ain't unix grand? Aug 19 17:20:23 this is why everyone should switch from x11 to RDP Aug 19 17:20:27 :) Aug 19 17:20:39 it's a stable, reliable protocol Aug 19 17:20:51 with support for sound, networking, file system mapping, usb :) Aug 19 17:20:57 its not the protocol I am interested in, its interaction with x11 Aug 19 17:21:54 timeless_mbp, the question could become - is there an rdp client for meego? Aug 19 17:22:00 err server Aug 19 17:22:08 dunno Aug 19 17:22:38 ssh -{X,Y} doesn't seem to work with mtf Aug 19 17:23:40 xrdp relies on Xvnc and X11rdp Aug 19 17:23:53 since we've established that xvnc is unhapy.. Aug 19 17:23:56 s/py/ppy/ Aug 19 17:23:57 timeless_mbp meant: since we've established that xvnc is unhappy.. Aug 19 17:24:28 * timeless_mbp wonders about ltsp Aug 19 17:24:36 heh Aug 19 17:24:59 neither xrdp nor ltsp seem to be in repo.meego.com according to mxr.moego.org/repo.meego.com Aug 19 17:25:20 * timeless_mbp hunts dinner Aug 19 17:27:03 When do we get to find out about Smeego? Aug 19 17:28:12 why on every restart chromium complains about being unable to open profile? Aug 19 17:28:35 SmeegoL Aug 19 17:29:10 SmeegoL 1.0 codenamed "stinker" Aug 19 17:29:31 tripzero: ah, someone else who thinks it should have an L :) Aug 19 17:30:11 would "SmeegoL" need a trademark exception? Aug 19 17:30:17 hmm Aug 19 17:30:24 maybe Aug 19 17:37:14 OK ... we have build.meego.com it's the main meego build system. What url should the community OBS be at? cbuild.m.c ? build.community.m.c? build.public.m.c? anything else? (there will also be api.* download.*) Aug 19 17:57:29 i vote build.public.meego.com Aug 19 18:08:26 Too long Aug 19 18:08:37 Needs to be short Aug 19 18:08:44 bp.meego.com Aug 19 18:08:50 Ha Aug 19 18:08:54 people might blame meego for the oil leak tho Aug 19 18:09:03 As a Floridian, your url offends me. Aug 19 18:09:46 at least now if you want crispy duck you just throw a match at it Aug 19 18:10:41 lol Aug 19 18:14:02 bp is a curse now in americas Aug 19 18:17:25 as long as you don't finds out what the B stands for :) Aug 19 18:20:30 cyas Aug 19 18:56:51 GAN900: "be used from an n900 keyboard" isn't a criteria... Aug 19 18:58:36 lbt, build2.meego.com and build3.meego.com for the old build.obs.maemo.org Aug 19 19:05:43 lbt, well, it shouldn't be ugly and it should fit with the rest of the URLs. Aug 19 19:06:10 cbuild is ugly... IMHO Aug 19 19:06:40 build.public.meego.com makes it sound like build.meego.com isn't public (which it isn't) Aug 19 19:15:12 so what do ya peeps think of n9 ? Aug 19 19:15:19 its da bomb Aug 19 19:16:04 i love it .... you??? Aug 19 19:16:24 Looks like a MBP Aug 19 19:16:41 yea....great Aug 19 19:16:42 I hate the looks of it Aug 19 19:16:48 esp. the keyboard Aug 19 19:17:19 why ??? it walks all over the plastick brick no??? Aug 19 19:18:12 capacitive screen...none this resistive bullshit Aug 19 19:18:28 Capacitive sucks. Aug 19 19:18:39 +1 on that Aug 19 19:18:44 I'm against it Aug 19 19:18:56 +1 on what?) Aug 19 19:18:58 you're joking right ??? its 2010 peeps Aug 19 19:19:20 stylus is the shits boys Aug 19 19:19:29 new doesn't always mean better Aug 19 19:19:44 ora-666, hating capacitive Aug 19 19:19:48 i do not use stylus on my 5800, and n900 does not need a stylus too. Aug 19 19:19:51 it's oversensitive for Aug 19 19:19:51 you can usually spot the trolls by the fact the made up the nickname about 1second before starting a new clean irc session Aug 19 19:20:06 trolls? Aug 19 19:20:16 stop being so anal mate Aug 19 19:20:42 ora-666, ++ Aug 19 19:21:20 but a capacitive has one pro - multitouch. Aug 19 19:21:47 its got 100 pros over resistive Aug 19 19:22:02 ora-666, resistive can do multitouch Aug 19 19:22:16 as i understand, there are no access to garage now? Aug 19 19:22:25 so you peeps think are smarter than nokia right? Aug 19 19:22:53 why am I wasting time in a retarded discussion Aug 19 19:23:27 MohammadAG: i dunno Aug 19 19:23:47 i registered as member on meego.com, but i don't see anything related to src upload, or build system, or i don't know what the right way to push srpms) Aug 19 19:24:34 i installed meego latest build on my brick....mega fail....give me n9 with snapdragon baby !!! Aug 19 19:26:11 * lcuk pokes N9-da-bomb's eye out with a stylus. OI sometimes capacitive is good, but othertimes having a pointy stick for precision is also important. Aug 19 19:26:35 have you seen the nokia X3-2 with touch and type? Aug 19 19:26:47 whilst you are on about new fangled stuffs Aug 19 19:27:01 thats resistive and the web are swooning over it Aug 19 19:27:18 your opinion only mate Aug 19 19:27:25 same goes for you Aug 19 19:27:57 well yes....but i think i have nokia on my side over you peeps Aug 19 19:28:01 in other side, sometimes i can't click on url even with stylus))) Aug 19 19:28:12 unless you think nokia is stupid Aug 19 19:28:34 what does abrtd do? Aug 19 19:29:04 N9-da-bomb, huh? nobody thinks nokia are stupid Aug 19 19:29:15 and the users around aren't either Aug 19 19:29:18 i got a mesage on tty1 saying it failed but i dont see same message in /var/log/messages Aug 19 19:29:52 * lcuk was playing with capacitives the other day and on a responsive UI they are great Aug 19 19:30:04 yes Aug 19 19:30:40 but I can't write on one Aug 19 19:30:48 i have a few larger capacitives here too Aug 19 19:30:58 I just think it's oversensitive Aug 19 19:31:11 I used an iPhone for a week Aug 19 19:31:18 kept calling people by mistake Aug 19 19:31:21 poor you Aug 19 19:31:27 poor bill Aug 19 19:31:29 only you Aug 19 19:31:33 so have you got an n900? Aug 19 19:31:46 N9-da-bomb, ^ Aug 19 19:32:03 i have the brick Aug 19 19:32:10 the E63? Aug 19 19:32:16 e90 Aug 19 19:32:18 the n900 Aug 19 19:32:22 right, the E90 Aug 19 19:32:26 that's the brick Aug 19 19:32:32 its my pet name for n900 Aug 19 19:32:33 it comes even in brick colour Aug 19 19:32:41 you've never seen an E90 then Aug 19 19:32:52 anyhow....n9 is coming... it will blow n900 out of water Aug 19 19:32:57 i had the e90 Aug 19 19:33:03 not sure about that Aug 19 19:33:07 * ljp waits to see a bbq built of e90's Aug 19 19:33:19 http://static.phonesreview.co.uk/wp-content/phoneimages/2008/03/nokia-e90-not-the-best-bling-phone-on-the-market.jpg Aug 19 19:33:27 although I might get an N9, my N900 won't be replaced Aug 19 19:33:55 MohammadAG: why? Aug 19 19:33:57 or I'll just get another N900 Aug 19 19:34:13 didn't like the N9 much Aug 19 19:34:16 especially the keyboard Aug 19 19:34:24 why get obsolete stuff though ? Aug 19 19:34:37 how is it obsolete Aug 19 19:34:46 how can you not like an all metal fone over plasticky brick? Aug 19 19:35:00 metal eh? Aug 19 19:35:09 my dad has an E66, I know how metal is Aug 19 19:35:09 aluminum no? Aug 19 19:35:14 * ljp thinks people do not understand the word obsolete Aug 19 19:35:19 e66 is old news Aug 19 19:35:19 why do I care about material? Aug 19 19:35:23 my N900 is mint Aug 19 19:35:26 ljp: the word obsolete is obsolete Aug 19 19:35:27 after 8 months Aug 19 19:35:33 because it makes fone more robust Aug 19 19:35:38 In the words of Father Jack: I LUV MY BRICK! Aug 19 19:35:56 lame logic Aug 19 19:35:58 finally working ssh on n900 meego Aug 19 19:36:01 plastick looks like childs toy Aug 19 19:36:01 I like gtk over Qt Aug 19 19:36:11 GTK* Aug 19 19:36:12 MohammadAG: n900 has a nice feature: automatic answering to incoming calls, while you trying to get out it from pocket. Aug 19 19:36:22 ora-666, never had that :) Aug 19 19:36:23 nice resistive feature) Aug 19 19:36:24 nokia chose qt....time to get over gtk Aug 19 19:36:52 spilled milk mate Aug 19 19:36:55 ora-666: put it in your pocket with the proximity sensor at the bottom, problem solved :p Aug 19 19:37:00 ora-666, technically just replacing screen technology wont do anything to solve that Aug 19 19:37:07 or just not the display facing out ;p Aug 19 19:37:17 i love the n9 Aug 19 19:37:20 N9-da-bomb: N9 wouldn't look out of place inside a dmc-12 :) Aug 19 19:37:26 N9-da-bomb, have you got one? Aug 19 19:37:35 its thin....its metal....etc Aug 19 19:37:47 why don't you marry a coathanger? Aug 19 19:38:00 they are thin and metal Aug 19 19:38:02 you do know it could be a KIRF Aug 19 19:38:02 none of this plastick cover on camera bullshit Aug 19 19:38:29 or a goofy kickstand that broke on me after 2 weeks Aug 19 19:38:55 sometimes I'm thankful I can't op myself Aug 19 19:38:59 lol Aug 19 19:39:09 gg Aug 19 19:39:13 N9-da-bomb, i certainly agree, the n9 does look splendid Aug 19 19:39:17 go nokia!! Aug 19 19:39:48 you mates are crying the blues over spilled milk...get a grip and join us in 2010 Aug 19 19:39:53 and I think everyone appreciates your enthusiasm, but you have to chop your insults down and remove the swearing Aug 19 19:40:22 we are! but if you come in attacking then we will respond in kind Aug 19 19:40:22 * thiago_home points out that until a device is officially announced, there is no N9 Aug 19 19:40:25 alls im sayin is N9 rocks Aug 19 19:40:33 there was another device reported to be the N9 a month ago Aug 19 19:40:38 so go and tell 100 people about it Aug 19 19:40:43 ha? Aug 19 19:40:47 N9-da-bomb: and you know .. how? Aug 19 19:40:47 how can you even be sure that thing isn't just some chinese knock-off? Aug 19 19:41:09 you know, meego source code is available Aug 19 19:41:10 i think nokia finally got this right Aug 19 19:41:12 there is a handset edition Aug 19 19:41:18 N9-da-bomb: i take it you read the notes that this is a research mockup, right? Not a finished device about to go on market. :) Aug 19 19:41:24 some chinese company could be just making it Aug 19 19:41:26 carved out of styrofoam, spray painted silver, and with meego screenshot photoshopped in Aug 19 19:41:34 Now, i'll say: i saw one of the devices which were that for the N900, and they were... different :) Aug 19 19:41:46 not styro.. wood Aug 19 19:41:46 ali1234: photoshopped? I was going for actually running, but sure, your idea is better :-) Aug 19 19:42:14 no...its the real deal....i know some folks at nokia Aug 19 19:42:25 heh Aug 19 19:43:03 N9-da-bomb, nokia is such a large company, I think everyone knows some folks who work there Aug 19 19:43:14 especially if your finnish Aug 19 19:43:24 even if you are just starting Aug 19 19:44:00 this guy i know checked in their internal system and said its legit Aug 19 19:44:36 thats funny Aug 19 19:44:37 if you came in swearing and ripping shit out of other nokia products to him I bet he would say anything to get rid of you ;) Aug 19 19:44:51 no Aug 19 19:45:02 N9-da-bomb: the problem is that we have only your word for it Aug 19 19:45:08 we don't know your source and we don't know you Aug 19 19:45:18 your choice to believe me Aug 19 19:45:21 and since Nokia won't comment on this... Aug 19 19:45:38 * ljp gets back to adding ofono to qt bearer Aug 19 19:45:48 if this thing turns out for real will you doubting Thomases apologize to me? Aug 19 19:46:19 no Aug 19 19:46:27 I doubt we'll ever hear from you again Aug 19 19:46:28 got ya! Aug 19 19:46:38 oh....you will...trust mde Aug 19 19:46:39 so even if this turns out to be real, there will be no one to apologise to Aug 19 19:46:43 we don't owe you an apology Aug 19 19:46:55 start by saying your name and where you're from Aug 19 19:46:56 but yous been bashin me Aug 19 19:46:59 N9-da-bomb: if you have sources inside nokia why do you come here and annoy people instead of selling your story to someone who cares eg engadget? Aug 19 19:47:09 * MohammadAG counts to ten Aug 19 19:47:14 is this a family channel? Aug 19 19:47:31 ok...sorry....no more inside info for you Aug 19 19:47:51 chill dudes Aug 19 19:48:00 N9-da-bomb: you do realise that a good portion of the people in this channel know more than you, right? Aug 19 19:48:01 its just a fone Aug 19 19:48:16 whats your poitnt? Aug 19 19:48:28 they don't need inside info they can get themselves Aug 19 19:48:38 ok Aug 19 19:48:44 sorry then Aug 19 19:48:44 you're not giving us any new info Aug 19 19:48:55 i cant disclose Aug 19 19:49:01 actually he is, but my brain is full so hes pushing out the good stuff Aug 19 19:49:45 why all this negativity to me? Aug 19 19:50:03 cant you guys just let loose sometimes? Aug 19 19:50:14 just one more thing for you to think about: Nokia protos often have wrong device numbers Aug 19 19:50:28 the N900s, last year, showed "N00" Aug 19 19:50:33 not this one Aug 19 19:50:33 because you came in bitching about the n900 which incase you hadn't noticed is a reference device for the meego handset platform and something which people work with a lot Aug 19 19:51:01 * ljp gets the baby instead Aug 19 19:51:07 * thiago_home goes for a shower Aug 19 19:51:16 bitching? Aug 19 19:51:28 N9-da-bomb: sorry, didn't I ask you to keep the same nick? Aug 19 19:52:00 i changed my mind....pretty please ?? Aug 19 19:52:27 did i offend anyone? no? Aug 19 19:53:05 your game is the usual one, so, please, behave Aug 19 19:53:51 i just find this room too serious Aug 19 19:53:57 loosen up dudes Aug 19 19:56:21 N9-da-bomb: either way, this isn't a nokia discussion channel, discussion deals with meego.com :P Aug 19 19:56:39 i'm sure you'd feel right at home at talk.maemo.org though Aug 19 19:56:53 O_O Aug 19 19:57:05 N9-da-bomb, or talk happily with Stskeeps in #meego-dev ;) since thats the handset home :P Aug 19 19:57:16 err crap Aug 19 19:57:20 #meego-arm even :P Aug 19 19:57:27 * Stskeeps hits lcuk Aug 19 19:57:40 * lcuk ducks and blows a rasberry Aug 19 19:57:43 * MohammadAG hits Stskeeps Aug 19 19:57:46 we are trying to improve tmo tyvm Aug 19 19:57:57 wtf Aug 19 19:58:00 * CosmoHill dives for cover Aug 19 19:58:27 food fight!!! Aug 19 19:59:19 N9-da-bomb: go try to install the mmc image from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php and test Aug 19 19:59:26 then you'll understand what meego is about :) Aug 19 19:59:36 ++ Aug 19 19:59:42 i did Aug 19 19:59:50 which release? Aug 19 20:00:00 latest Aug 19 20:00:21 v4 or v6? Aug 19 20:00:21 its slow as hell on my bri... err... my n900 Aug 19 20:00:24 Xephyr starts with black screen, it is normal?) Aug 19 20:00:35 i dunno...i grabbed what was there Aug 19 20:00:59 when did you grab it? Aug 19 20:01:03 you're trolling is poor Aug 19 20:01:21 today Aug 19 20:01:58 somehow, I think you don't even have an N900 Aug 19 20:02:18 paste the line under arm-n900-closed.ks Aug 19 20:02:31 i have a question...will xchat in its current form or any other current app run on n9 ? Aug 19 20:02:45 irssi will. Aug 19 20:02:48 I'm sorry Aug 19 20:02:50 xchat will die Aug 19 20:02:55 does this appear to be #n9? Aug 19 20:03:01 cause it's not Aug 19 20:03:06 MohammadAG: i have N900 Aug 19 20:03:28 N9-da-bomb: please take N9 discussions somewhere else, not a nokia channel :) Aug 19 20:04:23 why??? n9 is meego no? Aug 19 20:04:46 it's not meego from meego.com, at least Aug 19 20:04:56 huh? Aug 19 20:05:04 N9-da-bomb: So is your question about whether "XChat in its current form or any other current app" run on MeeGo? Aug 19 20:05:04 meego is meego no? Aug 19 20:05:07 it's harmattan, which is a different beast - how that exactly is related to branding it meego is a funny excersise Aug 19 20:05:28 too much framgantation Aug 19 20:05:31 N9-da-bomb: trust me, we're as confused as you about this issue.. Aug 19 20:05:45 Stskeeps: More so, probably Aug 19 20:06:12 those screenshots today....thats meego right? Aug 19 20:06:20 what url? Aug 19 20:06:25 I thought you had used meego Aug 19 20:06:27 the leaked photos Aug 19 20:06:29 you should know Aug 19 20:06:47 engadganet Aug 19 20:06:48 N9-da-bomb: Anyone who knows wouldn't say Aug 19 20:07:08 or whatever the fuck its called....engadget Aug 19 20:07:31 Jaffa, that xchat question will come up no doubt Aug 19 20:07:41 at least until someone makes a decent irc client for meego? Aug 19 20:07:45 N9-da-bomb: Anyway, if it's a Nokia prototype (looks like it, but doesn't say "N00") then it's not running Symbian AFAWCT. Aug 19 20:07:57 N9-da-bomb: So that leaves MeeGo-Harmattan Aug 19 20:08:02 rite Aug 19 20:09:21 hmm, so writing meego-handset-armv7l-n900-nokia-proprietary-1.0.80.15.20100817.1-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 to the MMC provides a working MeeGo install? Aug 19 20:09:33 or do I need to do the kickstart crap Aug 19 20:09:38 MohammadAG: bunzi2 it first Aug 19 20:10:00 Stskeeps, yes yes, I know, but I don't need to install more stuff on top of it right? Aug 19 20:10:08 MohammadAG: you need the kernel too. Aug 19 20:10:09 just load the kernel Aug 19 20:10:23 and to the block device, not the partion Aug 19 20:10:25 partition Aug 19 20:10:32 I was thinking bme and such, but I guess that's included Aug 19 20:10:39 it's in it Aug 19 20:10:49 k, understood Aug 19 20:40:49 question: are there any command-line tools that will copy or move an icon from the launcher to the quicklaunchbar? Aug 19 20:42:33 in the netbook UI? Aug 19 20:45:11 i'm working on a handset actually but I'll take what I can get :) on the handset application icons are assigned to launcher or quicklaunchbar according to the file $HOME/.config/duihome/launcherbuttons.data. I can add an application to the launcher on install by creating a .desktop file and calling update-desktop-datavase. Am looking for a way to add to quicklaunchbar instea dof launcher Aug 19 20:53:33 * sp3000 points and giggles at datavase Aug 19 20:54:07 it sounds so quaint :) Aug 19 20:54:23 yeah, low-capacity too :) Aug 19 20:58:20 "Mailman privacy alert" Aug 19 20:58:30 An attempt was made to subscribe your address to the mailing list Aug 19 20:58:30 meego-touch-dev@meego.com. You are already subscribed to this mailing list. Aug 19 20:58:31 :D Aug 19 20:58:39 it could have told me that on the website :P Aug 19 20:58:50 * lcuk couldnt remember that he had subscribed Aug 19 21:00:41 it does Aug 19 21:01:51 at least it does when the website isn't down Aug 19 21:05:22 Your subscription request has been received, and will soon be acted upon. Aug 19 21:05:26 ali1234, nahh it didnt Aug 19 21:05:44 there are two interfaces Aug 19 21:06:00 http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-touch-dev Aug 19 21:06:04 the standard mailman one doesn't show it but the other one (on your meego.com account page) does Aug 19 21:07:51 http://meego.com/user/me/user_mailman_register Aug 19 21:11:52 X-Fade, downloads much improved tonight, only 1 stall during 110 package downloads, thanks Aug 19 21:25:58 Hi I've just joined the group and am looking forward to joining in the discussions. Aug 19 21:26:18 edster_, welcome! Aug 19 21:26:50 vgrade: any progress? i switched back to 1.0.1 and i have gcc, libtool, binutils, rpm, all compiled for FC13. i get those damn "unpackaged files" errors with glibc though Aug 19 21:27:49 Thanks glad to be here. Aug 19 21:27:52 vgrade: can you show a buildlog of successful glibc build against any meego repository? Aug 19 21:31:42 now the download issue is much improved I'm doing some local builds tonight. will let you know about glibc. Aug 19 21:32:15 i have a lot of problems when i try to do local builds Aug 19 21:32:21 basically it doesn't work Aug 19 21:32:47 i can only get things to compile inside OBS workers Aug 19 21:33:34 when i do a local build it doesn't build the chroot properly Aug 19 21:46:17 is there an alternative to this: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Samsung_N140#Fn_Keys on MeeGo? Aug 19 21:46:28 trying to get some of extra netbook keys working here Aug 19 21:46:40 and hitting some roadblocks with offered solutions unfortunatelly Aug 20 00:06:09 \o, howdy. did anyone manage or even try to install meego on a SE P800? isit even possible? Aug 20 00:07:47 * CosmoHill pets npbitch Aug 20 00:07:50 one day, one day Aug 20 00:08:09 ? :o Aug 20 00:08:30 Install Meego on a Nokia 3260 Aug 20 00:08:43 Nokia are involved in Meego so I demand it Aug 20 00:09:05 I wonder if it will work with my 6220c Aug 20 00:09:19 duct tape and an n900 would let you install it on anything Aug 20 00:09:25 i prefered that project when it wasnt a joint with nokia :P Aug 20 00:09:37 you mean Moblin? Aug 20 00:09:42 I'd have a joint with Nokia Aug 20 00:09:43 that didn't work on any phones! Aug 20 00:10:06 i have 3260 somewhere meego on it would be cool Aug 20 00:10:45 Beta build tomorrow? Aug 20 00:10:48 does it have a 1ghz cpu? Aug 20 00:11:02 it has 36khz cpu as i recall Aug 20 00:11:08 and 112x96 monochrome Aug 20 00:11:36 somehow i doubt that meets the minimum system criteria for meego Aug 20 00:11:51 zomg 36kHz Aug 20 00:12:02 640k ought to be enough for everybody! © Aug 20 00:12:07 and it has almost 2MB Aug 20 00:12:15 Install gentoo on it Aug 20 00:12:44 you can't boot the MeeGo kernel in 2MB Aug 20 00:12:57 so no, MeeGo will not run Aug 20 00:13:00 damn bloatware :) Aug 20 00:13:10 bloat Aug 20 00:15:18 new n9 pics? http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-n9-breaks-cover-meego-along-for-the-ride-1998277/ Aug 20 00:15:23 pretty cool looking. Aug 20 00:15:28 meh Aug 20 00:15:42 I'm more interested in the internals Aug 20 00:16:41 not too happy about the resolution of the screen, but I think it's better looking than the n97 or n900. Aug 20 00:17:49 the N9 just come out / be annoced or something? Aug 20 00:17:58 or do we have a troll? Aug 20 00:17:59 nah Aug 20 00:18:08 leaked pics Aug 20 00:18:16 I've seen a video o fit Aug 20 00:19:04 http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/19/nokias-qwerty-slidin-n9-shows-up-in-the-wilds-of-china/ Aug 20 00:23:42 silly question, who do we know it's meego? Aug 20 00:24:36 that phone is almost as big as 7" netbooks Aug 20 00:27:34 hmm Aug 20 00:27:51 writing meego.raw takes literally forages :) Aug 20 00:30:42 gah needs more batt'ry. Aug 20 02:26:57 hi all Aug 20 02:31:10 anybody know new package qt 4.7 beta2 for meego? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 20 02:59:56 2010