**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 29 02:59:57 2010 Aug 29 09:39:02 Morning Aug 29 13:59:06 hi, i want to start to develop my ivi system on meego. i saw on the website that there are 2 sdk images (netbook and handset) but i can't find the ivi image.. can I use one of the two images or do I have to wait until the sdk Aug 29 13:59:06 for ivi system is released? Aug 29 14:02:09 can somebody answer please? :) Aug 29 14:03:20 .... Aug 29 14:03:24 can you be more patient please? Aug 29 14:03:24 anybody alive? Aug 29 14:03:30 ok sorry Aug 29 14:03:44 irc is not real-time. althought many people believe that Aug 29 14:04:17 if someone knows something relating to your question they may answer. that can be right now or in 3h. YMMV Aug 29 14:06:02 ok, thanks Aug 29 14:06:22 miticofioz: I dunno a think about it, but the MeeGo wiki may be a good place to start Aug 29 14:06:30 miticofioz: I dunno a thing about it, but the MeeGo wiki may be a good place to start Aug 29 14:06:33 there are no ivi images yet, I think Aug 29 14:06:36 use mic Aug 29 14:06:44 mic? Aug 29 14:07:11 meego image creator Aug 29 14:07:19 i.e., create your own image Aug 29 14:07:28 ah ok! Aug 29 14:07:54 i will read the wiki better Aug 29 14:08:06 i don't want to bother you more... Aug 29 14:08:07 :) Aug 29 14:08:45 i just wanted to know if a ready-to-go ivi image was available or not Aug 29 14:08:49 thanks guys! Aug 29 14:13:47 the "ivi" system? Aug 29 14:13:56 what's ivi? Aug 29 14:14:15 ah in vehicle Aug 29 14:14:29 miticofioz: http://meego.com/devices/in-vehicle? Aug 29 14:14:31 miticofioz: http://meego.com/devices/in-vehicle ? Aug 29 14:15:01 both links work Aug 29 14:15:26 yeah :D Aug 29 14:15:32 true. Aug 29 14:32:26 th0br0: hey sorry for the delay.. i know.. links are perfectly working. The ivi image is now running (under vmware fusion) on my mac. But i was referring to the SDK image.. If you go here: http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux there are 2 images.. one for netbooks and one for handset devices. There is no SDK image for IVI systems. So basically I think i will install qt4 directly on the ivi liv Aug 29 14:32:26 image of meego and i will develop directly on my ivi device... Best way I think.. Aug 29 14:33:16 it's the same image Aug 29 14:34:04 i thought so too, thiago_home Aug 29 14:34:16 nope man.. Aug 29 14:34:21 dimensions are different Aug 29 14:34:27 not the same image.. Aug 29 14:34:40 i know it's a stupid comparison but... Aug 29 14:37:06 install the development packages inside the image Aug 29 14:37:27 ah very cool! Aug 29 14:37:38 so there is a development package! Aug 29 14:38:01 i search on the wiki now.. Aug 29 14:38:04 thanks Aug 29 14:38:05 :) Aug 29 14:46:39 ouch.. Aug 29 14:47:00 can't find how to install the devel package of meego... Aug 29 14:47:14 there's not one single package Aug 29 14:47:24 install the packages of what you want to develop with Aug 29 14:49:38 is there any reason for just making AppUp available for Atom systems? I mean... I don't get the sense behind that. If it were merely for meego, sure but... atom in general regardless of whether they're running windows or meego ? Aug 29 14:49:56 ok.. if I understand.. qt4.7 and libmeegotouch should be ok for starting right? Aug 29 14:50:05 is there any company paying Intel to host AppUp for their devices? Aug 29 14:50:20 miticofioz: yes Aug 29 14:50:25 thiago_home: you mean nokia? Aug 29 14:50:26 cool Aug 29 14:50:32 thanks thiago_home Aug 29 14:50:32 th0br0: no, I don't mean Nokia Aug 29 14:50:32 :) Aug 29 14:50:38 th0br0: Nokia doesn't use or care about AppUp Aug 29 14:50:46 but microsoft does? Aug 29 14:50:53 or whom are you referring to here? Aug 29 14:50:57 no one Aug 29 14:50:58 that's the point Aug 29 14:51:08 if no one is paying Intel to host it for them, Intel hosts for whatever they want to Aug 29 14:51:29 err.. last question guys.. Is the source code of the ivi UI available somewhere? Aug 29 14:51:42 true. still, what i don't see is why they're limiting it just to atom devices then, after all, where's the big difference to modern non-atom cpus? (other than cpu power, the instruction sets should be the same, right?) Aug 29 14:52:32 th0br0: yes, basic instructions set is the same. Aug 29 14:53:29 hey meegoers \o Aug 29 14:53:46 hey lcuk Aug 29 14:53:47 heya lcuk Aug 29 14:54:26 so whats going down in groove town today then? Aug 29 14:54:49 groovy is bad. Aug 29 14:54:50 :) Aug 29 14:58:03 th0br0, but without groovy your sunday lunch will be all dry Aug 29 14:58:38 ;) Aug 29 14:58:52 i was talking about the "programming language" here Aug 29 14:59:19 th0br0: Atom and non-Atom are quite different Aug 29 14:59:30 the point isn't "hosting apps" Aug 29 14:59:34 the point is "pushing Atom" Aug 29 14:59:39 mh. Aug 29 14:59:39 what is AppUp anyway? Aug 29 14:59:47 ali1234: some appstore for atom-based platforms Aug 29 15:00:01 thiago_home: enlighten me? Aug 29 15:00:14 Intel wants to sell chips Aug 29 15:00:27 the Core line is doing pretty good, on desktop, laptop and server markets Aug 29 15:00:35 they want Atom to sell more, competing with ARM Aug 29 15:00:40 yeah i know th Aug 29 15:00:41 *that Aug 29 15:00:47 but in how far are they different (atom and non-atom) Aug 29 15:00:52 on one hand, they accept helping ARM a bit (with MeeGo) Aug 29 15:01:07 but the whole point of AppUp is to deliver Atom-optimised applications Aug 29 15:01:18 will they run on non-Atom? Sure. But they're optimised for Atom. Aug 29 15:01:28 it's down anyway Aug 29 15:01:38 hey guys i am going deeper into the development of my ivi system.. thanks for the info u gave me!! :) Aug 29 15:01:38 by Aug 29 15:01:39 we Aug 29 15:01:40 bye Aug 29 15:01:59 so anyone can put an App on AppUp for any platform, as long as they compile it with -mtune=atom? Aug 29 15:02:20 I don't know Aug 29 15:02:40 that's what i'm wondering about, too, ali1234 Aug 29 15:02:58 especially as it's for win7 and meego apps which ... don't really go along? :) Aug 29 15:03:19 well i can't load the page, just get some apache error Aug 29 15:03:25 but that does seem a bit random Aug 29 15:04:21 i get that error too Aug 29 15:04:23 plus how are they even going to test that? Aug 29 15:04:28 seems like the container is down Aug 29 15:04:38 test what? Aug 29 15:04:46 test that the apps only run on atom Aug 29 15:04:49 it was introduced in january 2010 i think Aug 29 15:04:52 or test that they are optimized for atom Aug 29 15:04:55 no idea :D Aug 29 15:34:24 Btw, I read a lot about android devs complaining about fragmentation of versions and apis and quirks added by manufacturers that make developing for android a bit of a pain apparently. Does meego have some strict guidelines and plans in place to prevent a similar thing from happening to the platform once it's out? Aug 29 15:34:58 i doubt Aug 29 15:35:13 wasn't there something about compliance in last week's meeting? Aug 29 15:35:34 Shapeshifter, from what i see on irc, meego devs very easily patch stuff Aug 29 15:36:54 so it's probably going to be a mess? then again, thinking how meego will probably be a bit more linuxy, you could simply require the versions you need of a lib (except qt stuff) and be okay. At least developing for linux, I rarely have too many problems. Aug 29 15:37:54 we're very much struggling to solve that problem in our side Aug 29 15:38:06 we can't beat the competition if we aren't better than they are Aug 29 15:38:11 Qt's API is one and only Aug 29 15:38:15 you can't change it Aug 29 15:39:10 that is good Aug 29 15:39:43 the one thing I'm afraid of is differences in backend implementations Aug 29 15:39:52 some features are present, some work differently, etc. Aug 29 15:40:31 thiago_home: you mean like for example how access to a camera would be presented by "the backend"? what backend exactly? Aug 29 15:40:39 fortunately, inside MeeGo, the backends would be the same Aug 29 15:40:54 the difference would be between MeeGo and, say, Symbian Aug 29 15:41:08 ah. Aug 29 15:41:39 No camera API in Qt? Aug 29 15:41:51 yes, in QtMultimedia, coming in Mobility 1.1 Aug 29 15:42:26 oh. cool :) Aug 29 15:42:38 so for example, any manufacturer who wants to run meego will need to write the interfacing components to the hardware so that the mobility api will work with the hardware? Aug 29 15:43:00 no Aug 29 15:43:05 to interface with qt Aug 29 15:43:08 ;) Aug 29 15:44:13 actually, not so much Aug 29 15:44:20 most of the interfaces are done already at the kernel level Aug 29 15:44:26 so they need to write kernel drivers Aug 29 15:44:34 that reminds me, I need to install Qt again Aug 29 15:44:46 yeah Aug 29 15:44:47 thiago_home: interesting. Aug 29 15:45:05 you should enforce open source drivers though :=) Aug 29 15:46:11 we do, up to an extent Aug 29 15:46:26 we can't forbid someone from shipping their own, modified MeeGo Aug 29 15:46:47 depending on how different it is, it may not be able to get the MeeGo brand, though Aug 29 15:47:09 true Aug 29 15:47:47 They're not interested in that Aug 29 15:47:58 also, the licenses enforce some opensourceness too Aug 29 15:48:04 Costs too much money to enforce those ideals in a strict way. Aug 29 15:48:15 kernel developers seem to tolerate binary drivers to an extent Aug 29 15:48:19 GAN900, not interested in what? Aug 29 15:48:31 binary patches to Qt are impossible, though Aug 29 15:48:31 getting approval to use the brand? Aug 29 15:48:37 TermanaN900, hardcore pushing of opensource ideals to people using MeeGo. Aug 29 15:48:47 (OEMs) Aug 29 15:49:38 GAN900, oh right. I thought you were talking about oems getting brand approval. Which, if the brand is strong, OEMs will want to do Aug 29 15:55:45 eventually, will there be any non-nokia oem in the smartphone market anyway? Aug 29 15:56:27 th0br0: acer seems to be involving itself more and more Aug 29 15:56:39 (at least) Aug 29 15:56:45 ah ok. haven't heard about that yet Aug 29 15:56:52 but didn't they do some android phone too? Aug 29 15:57:43 hmm, There's a Qt Cert done at VUE test centres Aug 29 15:57:53 th0br0, hedging seems appropriate at this point. Aug 29 15:58:03 mh Aug 29 15:58:46 well, based upon what i've heard about google + their business model regarding the oha i'd do that too Aug 29 15:59:11 hedging? Aug 29 15:59:20 gaining some security? Aug 29 15:59:51 Shapeshifter, i.e., not getting behind a single platform. Aug 29 16:00:00 alternative options ;) Aug 29 16:00:17 Shapeshifter, if MeeGo goes bust, they has experience with Android, etc. Aug 29 16:00:54 s/has/have Aug 29 16:01:14 * thiago_home knocks on wood Aug 29 16:02:35 hi Aug 29 16:03:01 does the newly released emgd drivers work with meego or ... ? Aug 29 16:03:17 * CosmoHill chokes when he sees the Qt Dev cert price Aug 29 16:03:31 199 € ? Aug 29 16:03:40 150€ Aug 29 16:03:56 i think I can get a student discount tho Aug 29 16:05:08 that's pretty cheap Aug 29 16:05:19 Depends on perspective. Aug 29 16:06:01 GAN900: I see Aug 29 16:07:05 CosmoHill: considering added job possibilities it might be worth it Aug 29 16:07:14 I suppose it's kinda cheap if you concider it's a one off (assume I pass first time) and would make getting a job easier Aug 29 16:08:05 also I don't think I'd feel nervous taking the exam since I know where the test centre is and I can probably take boo with me Aug 29 16:13:25 * CosmoHill watches qmake and mds go nuts and make his mac overheat Aug 29 16:22:24 http://black-flag.co.uk/files/qt-on-mac-leopard.png :) Aug 29 16:23:10 CosmoHill: "boo"? Aug 29 16:23:30 th0br0: http://cosmo1847.co.uk/blog/pics/boo.jpg Aug 29 16:24:20 I've taken him to all my uni exams Aug 29 16:24:21 lol Aug 29 16:25:15 ah k Aug 29 16:25:45 CosmoHill: regular contribution to opensource projects using qt should be able to save you the money for that thing. and you make some other people happy as well. Aug 29 16:25:56 yeah Aug 29 16:26:02 true too Aug 29 16:26:21 think about it: we've never hired a Qt Certified engineer to work on Qt Aug 29 16:27:03 is that because they go "I'm a Qt cert dev" and you go "oh yeah? explain this ...." Aug 29 16:27:18 no, it's because no one has ever applied Aug 29 16:27:22 the certification is a new thing... Aug 29 16:27:29 * Aard has successfully managed to not do any certifications any employer wanted me to do over the last 10 years Aug 29 16:28:08 certificates usually don't prove that you can handle the task involving what you're being certified in. it just proves you can learn for an exam that usually does not cover that much real-life stuff Aug 29 16:28:41 oo, QList() is a template function Aug 29 16:28:49 which certifications were those? Aug 29 16:28:53 / class Aug 29 16:29:43 th0br0: mainly different stuff from redhat, sun and ibm Aug 29 16:29:53 mh ok Aug 29 16:30:18 especially redhats linux certifications are completely useless Aug 29 16:30:20 I go back to uni in 3 weeks :/ Aug 29 16:31:27 i have to go to the toscana from mo to fr Aug 29 16:31:29 really aard? Aug 29 16:31:45 * thiago_home doesn't have any certification either Aug 29 16:31:56 I'm not even a computer scientist or computer engineer Aug 29 16:32:23 do you have any degree? Aug 29 16:32:29 yes Aug 29 16:32:34 four Aug 29 16:32:35 in what? Aug 29 16:32:38 oh, and the other thing was vmware esx stuff. probably the most useless certification I've ever seen Aug 29 16:32:42 now thats just greedy Aug 29 16:32:56 a double degree in Engineering (electrical) and a double MBA Aug 29 16:32:59 Aard: ESX is painful Aug 29 16:33:02 haha nice thiago_home Aug 29 16:33:07 why did you do that? Aug 29 16:33:08 CosmoHill: the product or the certification? Aug 29 16:33:13 product Aug 29 16:33:29 as a result I have a quad core say next to me desk unplugged Aug 29 16:33:57 * thiago_home has an hex-core that he needs to find use for Aug 29 16:34:12 folding@home Aug 29 16:34:45 we had some larger esx-environment at a former employer. certification is mainly learning what's in the datasheet, no use for managing that thing at all Aug 29 16:34:50 you could probably do LFS on that in 2 or 3 hours Aug 29 16:35:12 heh, hex-cores... those malfunctioning octacores :D Aug 29 16:35:18 I have a baby cisco cert somewhere Aug 29 16:35:30 th0br0: I'm pretty sure that Xeons aren't malfunctionining Aug 29 16:35:32 basically useless but gives me a discount on my next cisco exam Aug 29 16:35:39 mh Aug 29 16:35:41 true Aug 29 16:35:41 th0br0: and AFAIK there aren't any real octocores in the market yet Aug 29 16:35:56 th0br0: my i7 is a dual-threaded quad-core Aug 29 16:36:07 I wonder if they will make a 5 core processor via die havesting Aug 29 16:36:13 but weren't / aren't hexacores some mix of malfunctioning (production / dice) quad-cores? Aug 29 16:36:26 die harvesting, that's it i guess Aug 29 16:36:34 th0br0: you're thinking of dual and tri core AMDs Aug 29 16:36:41 oh idk. Aug 29 16:36:53 th0br0: this is not a dual-processor system Aug 29 16:37:01 th0br0: it's one processor with six cores, each running two threads Aug 29 16:37:10 k Aug 29 16:37:13 that reminds me, I need to scrap my dual processor system Aug 29 16:37:48 when I say dual processor I mean single 650Mhz processor, and that is why it's getting scrapped Aug 29 16:38:43 CosmoHill: you could start a collection, I could contribute one dual p2 350, and a bunch of ppro-systems Aug 29 16:39:14 * thiago_home wonders what happened to his old 80386 Aug 29 16:39:35 hey, my router is an dual P3-550 right now ;) Aug 29 16:39:36 glibc removed support for it, that's what happened Aug 29 16:39:59 dm8tbr: allright, I'll dump that stuff at your apartment :p Aug 29 16:40:07 waaaah! Aug 29 16:40:17 my server is a single 850Mhz P3 Aug 29 16:40:34 * Aard got rid of over 20 x86 boxes for the last move, and still got a bunch I didn't have time to take care of back then Aug 29 16:40:37 if I could I'd replace it with an AMD Athlon 64 2.2Ghz that I have at uni Aug 29 16:41:01 we disposed of a couple of old IRIX machines last year Aug 29 16:41:17 20 x86 boxes o.OP Aug 29 16:41:19 * CosmoHill hopes thiago_home doesn't list anything he would have liked Aug 29 16:41:20 which in turn had been acquired when the university was disposing of them... Aug 29 16:41:28 thiago_home: damn, I'd have taken some of those in. I'm collecting interesting non-x86 stuff Aug 29 16:41:32 just think of the fortune you could accumulate if all of you collected the stuff and sold it as scrap metal :D Aug 29 16:41:47 Aard: my N900 is more powerful than those Aug 29 16:42:00 Aard: imagine if you opened a muscle or something Aug 29 16:42:02 emulate them on the n900 then :) Aug 29 16:42:17 we don't support IRIX anymore Aug 29 16:42:20 we do support MIPS though Aug 29 16:42:28 "and here we have the blah de blah, blah blah running blah OS version 7.2" Aug 29 16:42:29 th0br0: the scrap metal dealers picked them up before the towns service for that stuff arrived... Aug 29 16:42:45 heh Aug 29 16:42:46 thiago_home: it's not about performance, it's about interesting hardware Aug 29 16:43:01 Aard: I prefer small MIPS HW than big MIPS HW Aug 29 16:43:09 Aard: one of them was as big as a small fridge Aug 29 16:43:16 * CosmoHill is after non x86 machines or something => a C2D Aug 29 16:43:38 :P CosmoHill Aug 29 16:44:06 thiago_home: looks nice in your living room Aug 29 16:44:31 a friend of mine has built a shelf out of old sgi workstations Aug 29 16:44:37 "I'll get a beer from the fridge, dude wtf, there's a load of circet boards in here" Aug 29 16:44:41 Aard: as much as heating devices are important in Norway, I think I'm good :-) Aug 29 16:44:57 circet? circuit? Aug 29 16:45:01 that too Aug 29 16:45:13 what's a circet board tehn? Aug 29 16:45:28 a typo Aug 29 16:45:32 ok Aug 29 16:45:34 :) Aug 29 16:45:46 could be related to a circus Aug 29 16:47:22 yeah Aug 29 16:48:23 that's an even weirder thing to have in your fridge Aug 29 16:54:51 circus in a fridge sounds like something out of Ghostbusters Aug 29 17:14:21 random question: has anyone here soldered a motherboard? Aug 29 17:16:24 CosmoHill: you might get answers at #hackerspaces Aug 29 17:30:03 not a modern mothermoard Aug 29 17:30:14 I have soldered before on old stuff, in class Aug 29 17:31:12 I have a laptop scattered around my room waiting for a new power connect to arrive in the post Aug 29 17:31:51 CosmoHill: what exactly? Aug 29 17:32:33 * Aard had his fair share of capacitor replacements Aug 29 17:33:15 the PCB connector that the power adapter plugs into has snapped Aug 29 17:33:37 should be an easy one Aug 29 17:33:49 it should be Aug 29 17:33:58 but it's my first, and that's what makes me nervous Aug 29 17:34:22 it's broken now, so you can only win ;) Aug 29 17:35:34 hehe Aug 29 17:36:13 you know which side of the soldering iron gets hot? Aug 29 17:36:29 the pointy end Aug 29 17:37:24 good, so the most painful mistake is already sorted out :) Aug 29 17:38:00 haha :) Aug 29 17:38:20 are you thinking about that american dad episode...? Aug 29 17:39:04 don't remember one that involves soldering Aug 29 17:39:21 he stabs it through a thin bit of wood Aug 29 17:40:27 I vaguely remember that scene, but that wasn't soldering Aug 29 17:41:55 wood charing Aug 29 18:04:57 vgrade: hi Aug 29 18:05:14 did you get new emgd release on your joggler ? Aug 29 18:43:00 hello there Aug 29 18:43:12 hello from here Aug 29 18:43:15 is there any additional repositories for meego Aug 29 18:43:30 like rpm forge? Aug 29 18:43:31 i'm looking for mc and rdiff-backup Aug 29 18:43:58 CosmoHill: yep Aug 29 18:45:36 so do you have other repos? Aug 29 18:45:56 I don''t think there are Aug 29 18:46:13 I'm assuming the comminity repo is included with meego by default Aug 29 18:49:02 Stskeeps: did anyone ever try to boot N900 with x-loader and u-boot on SD card? Aug 29 18:49:24 ali1234: no, but nolo can load u-boot it seems like Aug 29 18:49:30 at least qemu-n900 does that Aug 29 18:49:40 (from NAND) Aug 29 18:49:45 according to my research the n900 SYS_BOOT is wired such that it checks SD card before OneNAND Aug 29 18:50:03 all you need to do is put MLO and u-boot.bin on a fat formatted SD card Aug 29 18:50:10 i'm trying it right now in fact Aug 29 18:50:24 except the signed x-loader it's looking for would be nolo, wouldn't it? Aug 29 18:50:36 i don't know Aug 29 18:50:36 keep in mind there's OMAP HS Aug 29 18:51:08 as i understand it x-loader happens before any of that stuff Aug 29 18:52:31 i think it's more worthwhile to try and see what you can do with the fact NOLO can load u-boot from nand Aug 29 18:52:48 can be checked with the qemu n900 Aug 29 18:53:01 the qemu n900 doesn't even have an x-loader... Aug 29 18:53:13 i looked inside the image, it goes directly to NOLO Aug 29 18:53:17 yes, my point Aug 29 18:53:22 nolo -> uboot as zimage Aug 29 18:53:27 that's possible, it seems like Aug 29 18:54:01 sec Aug 29 18:54:06 well it won't take me long to try from SD card Aug 29 18:54:13 well, give it a shot Aug 29 18:54:18 and it's less likely to destroy the whole device Aug 29 18:54:18 how will you know it works? :P Aug 29 18:54:26 if it doesn't boot up to maemo, it worked :) Aug 29 18:54:31 point Aug 29 18:54:57 http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=5934&postcount=2 <- what i'm hinting at Aug 29 18:55:01 the .bin in use is a u-boot.bin Aug 29 18:55:28 so,anybody has mc installed? Aug 29 18:55:57 yes, and i saw someone else booted a maemo image with qflasher, but they had to swap out the bootloaders because of security Aug 29 18:56:15 right Aug 29 18:56:19 so i am guessing all that nasty stuff in is NOLO, not in the OMAP chip itself Aug 29 18:56:23 nah Aug 29 18:56:29 it's in omap Aug 29 18:56:39 my point being that nolo will load u-boot.bin if it's presented to it as the kernel Aug 29 18:57:03 yeah, but i think it's the nokia x-loader which checks NOLO signature Aug 29 18:57:34 can't recall Aug 29 18:57:37 MLO<=>x-loader, u-boot<=>NOLO Aug 29 18:57:38 it goes x-loader -> nolo, true Aug 29 18:57:56 http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Bootloader_Project is what I am going to try Aug 29 18:58:13 if your sd card doesn't work, i wouldn't mind seeing some nolo->uboot.bin tricks Aug 29 18:58:21 what i was hoping for would be a multiboot like menu Aug 29 18:58:28 that loads from a mmc instead or whatever Aug 29 18:58:46 yes Aug 29 18:59:11 then again, straight to sd boot would be cool Aug 29 18:59:11 :P Aug 29 18:59:16 dziq: i think you might need to compile it yourself Aug 29 18:59:21 but i think it would be great if you could just put in the SD card for the OS you want to use (or none for regular maemo) - without having to flash anything Aug 29 18:59:34 yes, agreed Aug 29 19:00:12 ali1234: like a computer loads a boot cd, if it's non boot it loads from hard drive? Aug 29 19:00:22 CosmoHill: yes, exactly like that Aug 29 19:01:20 it's all described on the omap34xx TRM page 3378 (N900 is 34xx right?) Aug 29 19:02:05 CosmoHill: just like a PC bios, you can configure the order that devices are checked, but unlike a PC, you do it by soldering resistors on the board Aug 29 19:02:20 well i checked the config, and it looks good to go Aug 29 19:23:16 well first try failed, but my card isn't partitioned right Aug 29 19:23:36 sounds like my first linux build on a mac Aug 29 19:23:49 "what do you mean they don't use a MBR?" Aug 29 19:24:59 now my stupid sd card reader isn't working properly Aug 29 19:25:30 and it's corrupted the card Aug 29 19:25:32 great Aug 29 19:30:30 well this is new, there's actually something very wrong with USB on my computer Aug 29 19:30:49 time to reboot i guess Aug 29 19:36:32 * CosmoHill plays with Qt Aug 29 19:38:29 i rebooted my computer and it didn't come back up :( Aug 29 19:43:37 is it possible to create a subwindow in clutter? Aug 29 19:45:58 probably the wrong tab, sorry :) Aug 29 19:47:53 Hi folks, I'm trying to port Witter to a KDE plasmoid Aug 29 19:48:09 anyone knows some good docs on how to start? Aug 29 19:48:39 though I'd try to rip out the hildon stuff, and replace it by some basic Qt stuff, right? Aug 29 19:50:01 Witter is written in python, so I guess I should replace "self.program = hildon.Program()" by something that will run in KDE4 Aug 29 19:52:10 May I add that I find Witter the absolutely best Twitter client available, far better than the KDE Microblogging plasmoid Aug 29 19:54:46 hey messerting Aug 29 19:54:56 CosmoHill: Hi Aug 29 19:54:57 I'm just starting to learn Qt atm Aug 29 19:55:07 http://doc.trolltech.com/4.2 Aug 29 19:55:09 Well, me too :) Aug 29 19:55:12 this is what I'm using Aug 29 19:55:18 not 4.2 Aug 29 19:55:44 4.5 then Aug 29 19:55:48 messerting: http://developers-blog.org/blog/default/2009/06/01/Python-Plasmoid-Example Aug 29 19:56:18 ali1234: thanks - I've made a hello world plasmoid already! :) Aug 29 19:56:46 so now you need to recode all the widgets used by witter to use Qt widgets instead Aug 29 19:57:05 how about 4.7 Aug 29 19:57:09 But when I look at the source of Witter, I see there are quite some places I need to change... Aug 29 19:57:31 yeah, probably most of the code will need rewriting Aug 29 19:57:38 messerting: you probably need to write everything except the twitter API Aug 29 19:58:24 well, the UI already has a Qt version Aug 29 19:58:39 but, I need to change it to be a plasmoid I guess... Aug 29 19:58:56 don't think I really have the skills, or the time to get the skills Aug 29 19:59:21 Maybe I'll just donate some money to the Witter author :) Aug 29 20:01:30 Think he is actually getting married these days. Cheers to that! Aug 29 20:18:09 Hm, nope, I'm not up for the challenge. Take care :) Aug 29 20:22:29 * CosmoHill is getting caught out by pointers Aug 29 20:26:22