**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 03 02:59:57 2010 Sep 03 03:50:15 eat lives again Sep 03 03:51:10 updated version got accepted into testing Sep 03 03:51:25 eat? Sep 03 03:52:56 I saw that come by, wondering what that was Sep 03 03:53:10 * sofar realized a long time ago humans can't be a walking freshmeat Sep 03 03:53:18 acronym for Enables Automated Testing :) Sep 03 03:53:34 configuration package Sep 03 03:54:08 or actually a set of packages Sep 03 03:54:26 http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/QA-tools/Eat Sep 03 03:55:35 right now I remember Sep 03 03:57:03 hmmh. didn't actually mean to advertize it on this channel but now you know also :) Sep 03 03:58:18 test automation might not interest too many people on this channel Sep 03 03:58:27 hahaha Sep 03 03:59:03 test automation is a tool, people here probably are interested in *what* is tested instead Sep 03 03:59:55 yep Sep 03 04:00:33 that's why we tend to talk about it in different channel(s) Sep 03 04:01:05 we don't want to bore anyone to death Sep 03 04:03:39 are there meego-qa channels? I haven't bothered looking at the roomlist for meego yet Sep 03 04:06:06 not sure about -qa but there's -qa-tools and -dev Sep 03 04:06:40 lol /list nearly broke my IM client Sep 03 04:06:47 :) Sep 03 04:09:54 * timoph <3 irssi Sep 03 04:10:07 I gave up on multiple IM clients Sep 03 04:51:10 hey guys... I'd like to dual boot my OQO micro computer with Windows 7 and possibly Meego, I'd use Meego specifically for playing Music and surfing the internet, nothing else. Can Meego be installed as a small OS for a PC? Sep 03 04:53:25 Jaffa: it isn't? Sep 03 04:56:41 illmortal: sure Sep 03 04:58:57 is the hardware support solid? been trying to research on meego, but want to make sure this is the right option Sep 03 05:01:29 Jaffa: it just takes a few secs for udev to speed up and turn it on, but i'm sure it works Sep 03 05:01:47 illmortal: from my experience I'd say your going to need to give it some time Sep 03 05:02:00 meeog has a lot of promise but its not there yet Sep 03 05:02:06 just my opinion Sep 03 05:02:19 i see.. Sep 03 05:12:17 illmortal: the gfx adapter in the oqo doesn't work out of the box (it's a gma500) so that will be a lot of work, or nonfunctional Sep 03 05:12:44 for the oqo 2+ Sep 03 05:13:07 not sure about older models Sep 03 05:48:36 do I need to use "PackageKit-qt" as a requirement for qt? Sep 03 05:48:46 I don't see a qt package in the daily trunk Sep 03 05:58:26 adeus: libqt4 Sep 03 05:59:52 ok thanks Sep 03 06:01:52 hmm "nothing provides libqt4" in the internal obs.. Sep 03 06:02:56 or in the daily trunk package list Sep 03 06:07:13 adeus: libqt-devel or qt-devel Sep 03 06:08:21 thiago_home: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5887 Sep 03 06:08:44 that's the build requirement Sep 03 06:08:51 that works Sep 03 06:09:07 fabo: remind me in an hour and a half please Sep 03 06:09:12 ok Sep 03 06:09:36 adeus: then you have each module in his package Sep 03 06:09:46 adeus: QtCore -> libqtcore4 Sep 03 06:12:50 so need to list them separately? Sep 03 06:15:09 adeus: I'm probably missing something. What are you trying to do? Sep 03 06:15:36 package my app Sep 03 06:15:51 I used to have only "qt" as a requirement Sep 03 06:16:02 now I see only 4.6 from meego-core for it Sep 03 06:16:11 but others are 4.7 Sep 03 06:16:16 and this explodes Sep 03 06:16:17 adeus: rpm will generate the Requires Sep 03 06:16:43 in MeeGo 1.0, it's 4.6 Sep 03 06:17:19 adeus: the only Requires you need to add manually is the sql plugin Sep 03 06:18:17 adeus: it seems PackageKit-qt link against Qt SQL module, it's likelky you need to add a plugin Sep 03 06:19:15 adeus: where's your package? Sep 03 06:19:32 in our internal obs Sep 03 06:21:08 http://pastebin.com/zShuJZ23 Sep 03 06:21:08 * fabo looks Sep 03 06:21:13 that's the spec file Sep 03 06:21:50 adeus: use pkgconfig() Sep 03 06:24:22 ive never done that in the spec Sep 03 06:24:28 any pointers on how to do that Sep 03 06:24:30 that's the meego way :) Sep 03 06:24:36 plenty of examples Sep 03 06:24:52 adeus: I'm pasting the fix, 30s ;) Sep 03 06:25:04 e.g. I just redid shared-mime-info today, it's quite a decent example now Sep 03 06:25:08 spectacled and all Sep 03 06:25:37 actually that one is still pending merge I think :) Sep 03 06:26:02 we need some good Qt-based app examples Sep 03 06:27:00 adeus: http://pastie.org/1135408 Sep 03 06:27:53 ok great Sep 03 06:27:57 I'll try Sep 03 06:30:29 It built, excellent. Thanks! Sep 03 06:30:47 ..and installed Sep 03 06:31:22 adeus: btw, why do you need webkit? Sep 03 06:31:49 afaik, packagekit-qt doesn't use it Sep 03 06:33:07 we use webkit headers Sep 03 06:33:21 or webkit objects Sep 03 06:36:14 is there something to it that I should know? Sep 03 06:37:32 adeus: pristine packagekit-qt doesn't link againt QtWebKit, feel free to drop the the BR and check the packages are building successfully Sep 03 06:42:51 ok Sep 03 06:45:17 I'm starting to get worried that I'll learn too much about packaging and turn into our "packaging guy" :) Sep 03 06:46:47 * johnx did some packaging for mer, isn't really sure how much someone would have to pay him to do packaging full time Sep 03 06:47:25 john1: spectacle makes it very bloody easy on meego Sep 03 06:47:30 er, johnx Sep 03 06:47:49 yeah, I'll look at it in a bit Sep 03 06:48:00 * johnx is learning how to run alternate kernels on his pandora Sep 03 06:48:01 you don't feel like you're molesting your brain with a hot fork while doing it, unlike debian packaging Sep 03 06:48:18 I still think we were doing some things wrong in terms of debian packaging Sep 03 06:48:27 * fabo disagree :) Sep 03 06:48:44 though I think the first wrong thing was following the 'official' documentation Sep 03 06:50:07 I can't see differences for simple packages using deb or rpm Sep 03 06:50:41 fabo: i think we've been exposed to a non 'dh' (the simple packaging in dh7) in maemo, hence our braindamage :) Sep 03 06:51:27 but I think the official debian docs didn't describe dh7 at the time we were looking either, or maybe I didn't read the right ones ... ? Sep 03 06:51:34 I have braindamage on the OBS layer ;) Sep 03 06:52:18 johnx: the doc of dh7 is man dh Sep 03 06:52:35 and that would explain it Sep 03 06:53:04 * johnx 's braindamage is trusting 'official looking' documentation to be relatively up-to-date Sep 03 06:53:50 one of the main problem on maemo is the dpkg/debhelper version, it's too old Sep 03 06:54:53 that among other things is what led us into attempting to forward-port the nokia-specific changes to ubuntu and/or debian Sep 03 06:55:11 turns out maintaining a distro is not a small task Sep 03 07:49:16 morn slaine Sep 03 07:49:57 Jeez Stskeeps don't you ever sleep ;) Sep 03 07:50:04 i do, :P Sep 03 07:51:24 Stskeeps: morning Sep 03 07:55:45 fabo: I'm here now Sep 03 07:56:16 thiago: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5887 Sep 03 07:56:45 thiago: since I added the QtOpenVG module, it pulls mesa-libEGL Sep 03 07:57:11 QtOpenVG is not useful for MeeGo Sep 03 07:57:14 recommend leaving it disabled Sep 03 07:57:15 thiago: and mcompositor is crashing Sep 03 07:57:30 thiago: that's discussed with the architects atm Sep 03 07:58:11 thiago: btw, I'm experiencing the same segfaults on Debian/QtOpenVG/EGL Sep 03 07:58:25 thiago: qtdemo is crashing when launched Sep 03 07:58:35 do you have OpenVG on your system/ Sep 03 07:58:36 ? Sep 03 07:59:00 thiago: yes Sep 03 07:59:35 the backtrace in comment 9 indicates that it's crashing inside the driver Sep 03 08:00:30 where do you need my help? Sep 03 08:00:59 just informative :) Sep 03 08:01:14 ok :-) Sep 03 08:01:21 thiago: that's the bug blocking Qt rc1 acceptance ... Sep 03 08:01:43 * fabo drop QtOpenVG Sep 03 08:05:15 * thiago needs to find a way to tell Nokia Purchasing now that the netbooks have not yet arrived Sep 03 08:05:40 show them an empty desk? Sep 03 08:05:40 :P Sep 03 08:05:59 there is a netbook on my desk... Sep 03 08:06:05 hide that! Sep 03 08:06:08 it's just that it was kindly sent by Intel from Germany Sep 03 08:10:29 Morning, all Sep 03 08:11:00 $DEITY, I'm in foul mood today Sep 03 08:11:13 hit something Sep 03 08:11:15 Stskeeps: Yeah, it does. I was using a .80 image due to the stupidly long names and poor sorting (and my inability to read) of tablets-dev Sep 03 08:11:25 setenv DEITY The\ Tentacled\ One Sep 03 08:11:29 Stskeeps: You'll be glad to know I plan on raising about half a dozen bugs :-/ Sep 03 08:13:09 Jaffa: bring it on :) Sep 03 08:16:54 RST38h: something like this you mean ? http://io9.com/5629024/look-+-its-a-baby-mi+go-caught-by-divers-off-the-coast-of-japan =) Sep 03 08:18:34 Stskeeps: Going to do some paid work first ;-) Sep 03 08:20:46 Stskeeps: The portrait/landscape switching is so much more usable than in PR1.2 where it lags for ages and doesn't switch when you want Sep 03 08:32:06 morningggggg ' Sep 03 09:28:22 hey guys ive ported one of my appup games to meego, all that remains is the sound, none of the qtcreator audio examples work. is there a simple example to show how to load and play an audio file? (wav would be awesome, mp3 if poss) Sep 03 09:32:14 hello! how can i mount a partition ?? Sep 03 09:33:10 does anyone know how can i mount a partition on meego? Sep 03 09:33:36 I don't have meego, but `man mount' Sep 03 09:47:57 does anyone know how can i mount a partition on meego? Sep 03 09:48:22 what FS is this partition? Sep 03 09:49:04 esmirlin, http://tldp.net/LDP/GNU-Linux-Tools-Summary/html/mounting-and-unmounting.html ? Sep 03 09:51:33 smoku: thanks very much but... how can i edit the fstab? i mean i need the comand for the console (i come from ubuntu and have no idea :S) Sep 03 09:52:40 esmirlin: before you edit it Sep 03 09:52:45 make sure you can mount it by hand Sep 03 09:52:58 yes but i mean how can i edit it? lol Sep 03 09:53:16 vim, nano, emacs Sep 03 09:53:57 hey guys ive ported one of my appup games to meego, all that remains is the sound, none of the qtcreator audio examples work. is there a simple example to show how to load and play an audio file? (wav would be awesome, mp3 if poss) Sep 03 09:56:44 Ravey: pulseaudio Sep 03 09:57:16 thanks jacekowski Sep 03 09:57:43 how can i upgrade the meego 1.0.0 into meego 1.0.2? Sep 03 10:03:22 esmirlin: zypper update Sep 03 10:04:04 Ravey: I'm not to sure meego currently supports mp3 but don't quote me on that Sep 03 10:04:34 esmirlin: if the FS you which you mount it NTFS or EXT4 you won't be able to mount them Sep 03 10:05:11 CosmoHill: why? Sep 03 10:05:15 jusliukk: Adium 1.4 Beta? Sep 03 10:05:27 CosmoHill: it's ext4 Sep 03 10:05:30 esmirlin: it's currently not supported Sep 03 10:05:47 CosmoHill: thanks, wav will be fine for now Sep 03 10:05:56 ow so what can i do? it's my /home folder with all my stuff :S:S:S Sep 03 10:06:21 I'm not sure if you can mount it as EXT3 or not Sep 03 10:07:01 hi, Sep 03 10:07:10 ok i will try to get my stuff out and then reistall and get it as my /home folder :( Sep 03 10:07:11 esmirlin, http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=533 for ntfs Sep 03 10:07:49 ext3 works Sep 03 10:08:18 I meant mount EXT4 as EXT3 Sep 03 10:08:40 ah Sep 03 10:09:04 CosmoHill: how can i do it? can you guide me? Sep 03 10:09:48 say you have EXT4 on /dev/sda4 and you want to mount it on /mnt/home Sep 03 10:10:05 mount -v -t ext3 /dev/sda4 /mnt/home Sep 03 10:26:58 hey dazo Sep 03 10:28:41 is xorg-x11-drv-emgd-1636-1.1.i586.rpm the right EMGD rpm to use for the joggler? Sep 03 10:50:17 size of link is awful, but these reminded me of meegons Sep 03 10:50:19 http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_l7y7laN7Uv1qbty66o1_r2_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0RYTHV9YYQ4W5Q3HQMG2&Expires=1283597216&Signature=qfsqbINBFTWqTfQpneMvxMKJn5I%3D Sep 03 10:54:36 quiet day lcuk ? Sep 03 10:55:32 did you see texrat's meegons lcuk ? Sep 03 10:55:56 maybe that should be an icon pack Sep 03 10:56:44 no lbt it dropped in my inbox (star wars related ML) Sep 03 11:01:07 hehe Sep 03 11:01:43 I like the SuSE MeeGo page Sep 03 11:02:15 if only because the title says Moblin and it's moblin.html Sep 03 11:16:41 lcuk: friend said it's done by this guy : http://www.chrisbishop.com/ Sep 03 11:24:05 trying to create a .spec file for Qt Mobility 1.1.0-tp for MeeGo but some files are not packaged into the RPM once everything has been built. Is there a variable that points to the build directory that I can use? this is the error I get: Sep 03 11:24:06 error: Installed (but unpackaged) file(s) found: Sep 03 11:24:06 /home/abuild/rpmbuild/BUILD/qt-mobility-opensource-src-tp-1.1.0/build/tests/bin/plugins/xmldata/bm_sampleservice.xml Sep 03 11:25:45 faid: package the file or remove it Sep 03 11:26:00 in your current case, the latter Sep 03 11:26:25 see the comment -> # Remove unpackaged files (examples install is broken) Sep 03 11:35:47 fabo: thanks, I'll look it up Sep 03 11:41:00 wouldn't hurt to ban him Sep 03 11:41:29 seems to have stopped now, i wonder what causes that really.. Sep 03 11:45:44 Stskeeps, i had an excess flood kick myself yesterday, i think its potentially from server syncing because I was certainly doing nothing to flood (I was watching screen at the time) Sep 03 12:06:42 Bought a few bottles of beer for the lads in the office today Sep 03 12:07:11 I'll let them chill a bit in the fridge and we can pop out in the sun for a beer break at 4pm I think Sep 03 12:07:33 We've all be working flat out so it's just a small idea. Does anyone else here do stuff like this at work ? Sep 03 12:07:56 slaine: sounds like a very nice thing to do Sep 03 12:08:22 I've a few nibbles too, just a small token to acknowledge the hardware work Sep 03 12:08:46 "hardware work" or "hard work" ? Sep 03 12:09:07 lol Sep 03 12:09:11 bit of both Sep 03 12:19:22 slaine: there is a comic I want to show you that applies so what you've said Sep 03 12:19:29 however it'\s missing Sep 03 12:28:46 hi, i have instlled gstreamer-0.10.25-5.1.moblin2.i586.rpm on my moblin machine.( it printed below text while installing, "/sbin/ldconfig: /usr/lib/libpoppler.so.6 is not a symbolic link","/sbin/ldconfig: /usr/lib/libpoppler-cpp.so.0 is not a symbolic link" "sbin/ldconfig: /usr/lib/libcairomm-1.0.so.1 is not a symbolic link") and when i do gst-inspect --version it is printing , "gst-inspect-0.10 version 0.10.25, GStreamer 0.10.25"... Sep 03 12:28:47 Wellark, but when i try installing gstreamer-devel-0.10.25-5.1.moblin2.i586.rpm, it is saying that "error: Failed dependencies: gstreamer >= 0.10.25 is needed by gstreamer-devel-0.10.25-5.1.moblin2.i586".... any idea why i am not able to install devel packages even though i have gstreamer 0.10.25 ? Sep 03 12:29:22 gpathy: this is #meego, not #moblin, right? or am i in the wrong place? Sep 03 12:38:48 timeless_mbp, well i was under impression that moblin and meego are closely related,..sorry for inconvenience.... Sep 03 12:40:49 ubuntu and debian are closely related too Sep 03 12:41:03 but i wouldn't ask in #ubuntu why a debian package fails to install on a debian system Sep 03 12:47:41 timeless_mbp. well, you are great...i can say sorry for asking that question here, fine? ... Sep 03 12:48:47 yes Sep 03 12:50:05 oh god what have they donwe Sep 03 12:51:12 slaine: i worked at a university, we almost started that way thursday Sep 03 12:51:12 :P Sep 03 12:51:15 they've moved my two hour lesson that went over lunch to tuesday, 5pm to 7pm Sep 03 12:51:25 CosmoHill: welcome to university life Sep 03 12:51:44 I'm tempted to email them "you are aware that the time locks for that room kick it at 6pm? Sep 03 12:52:23 on the plus side if I turn up 5 mins late I get free parking Sep 03 12:55:32 at least now we can have food on monday Sep 03 12:58:12 i would have though that they'd set up some nice rules Sep 03 12:58:22 like "must be between 9am and 6pm" Sep 03 12:58:40 "mustn't be between 12pm and 1pm" Sep 03 12:58:54 "no student should work 9 hours solid without a break for food or drink" Sep 03 12:59:11 CosmoHill: the workplace rules doesn't apply to students Sep 03 12:59:19 now get coding or i'll get out the whip Sep 03 12:59:20 :P Sep 03 12:59:31 ha you can't whip me! Sep 03 12:59:34 I've not gone back yet Sep 03 13:05:28 * CosmoHill goes back to learning Qt Sep 03 13:06:04 what shell I do first, layout or functionaility Sep 03 13:17:33 hi Sep 03 13:17:40 will mego have complete ipv6 support? Sep 03 13:34:31 heey... after installing some applications with garage, when i click install it gets stuck at "Installing..." and wont even show the status bar... i heard that this is a problem with packagekit is that true? is there any way to fix it? its very important please Sep 03 13:53:43 luist, can you provide the log ? Sep 03 13:54:07 mbatle: garage log doesnt have anything usefull to find out the problem.. trust me Sep 03 13:54:31 mbatle: i think i have the log.. ill send you just a sec Sep 03 13:54:49 luist, try pkcon refresh before running Sep 03 13:55:15 luist, there is a new vresion that works better 1.1 but it was not released Sep 03 13:56:04 luist, which meego version are you using ? the 1.0 or the daily update ? Sep 03 13:57:07 mbatle: well mine is updated... what package versions u need to know? Sep 03 13:57:28 mbatle: this bug seems to be reported Sep 03 13:57:28 http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4035 Sep 03 13:57:32 could you tell me packatekit version please Sep 03 13:57:47 packagekit I mean :) Sep 03 13:58:20 mbatle: 0.6.3-12.1 Sep 03 13:58:38 im using smart backend but it also happens with zypper/yum Sep 03 14:00:35 luist, ok, I'm not sure abou that version, the very latest one from packagekit has some problems that have been fixed in the master git Sep 03 14:01:00 mbatle: can i use the git version in meego? got a link? Sep 03 14:01:31 luist, do you mean of garage ? Sep 03 14:01:44 mbatle: packagekit Sep 03 14:02:39 luist, not sure if it is packagekit in your case, I had problems with packagekit with the version of garage I'm developing but that is not possible to use yet Sep 03 14:03:14 luist, I can suggest to try garage 1.1 version maybe, that should work better, but I think you'll have to get from git Sep 03 14:03:41 luist, not sure if it is tagged let me see Sep 03 14:04:06 since there was on official release IIRC Sep 03 14:05:59 luist, I can give you the git revisions if you want to try Sep 03 14:10:04 arfoll, yes, thats the one I used fot the joggler Sep 03 14:14:35 mbatle: sure why not Sep 03 14:15:16 mbatle: ooh you are mateu.. i just answered your email :P Sep 03 14:15:38 luist, yes, I just saw who you are too :) Sep 03 14:18:15 vgrade, cheers Sep 03 14:18:32 did you have any keyboard problems with the IVI image? Sep 03 14:18:53 I made one when the drivers was in the repos but my USB keyboard doesn't work so I want to retry and make a netbook image Sep 03 14:25:16 hi guys, im trying to use pulseaudio, the headers arent there for qtcreator, so ive tried to install pulseaudio package via yum, except yum isnt there in my meego image, so i downloaded that, installed and yum complains it doesnt have the rpm module...help please! Sep 03 14:26:26 bspencer - you dont happen to be bob by any chance do you? Sep 03 14:26:41 Ravey, bspencer = bob spencer Sep 03 14:26:57 excellent, im Dave from the game creators Sep 03 14:39:29 luist, you can use garage-client-services e439d688e8808871e23b8b8478f3a6dd19931487 Sep 03 14:40:15 mbatle: waht? :P Sep 03 14:40:36 luist, that's the version from git Sep 03 14:40:45 and ddf1a40eb887c595526fba87aa8dfbe5ddc3f50a for garage-netbook-ui Sep 03 14:40:55 mbatle: ok.. ill give a try Sep 03 14:41:01 you'll have to git clone from meego-garage repo Sep 03 14:41:05 luist, ok, thanks Sep 03 14:47:59 hello! i'm trying to install the audio/video codecs for meego and i tried with the moblin guide... once it worked but now an error message appears saying that: Sep 03 14:48:22 hello guys .. wondering if meego has support for nvidia ion Sep 03 14:48:38 hello! i'm trying to install the audio/video codecs for meego and i tried with the moblin guide... once it worked but now an error message appears saying that: configure: error: Need libxml2 and development headers/files to build GStreamer. and i have no idea of how installing them :( Sep 03 14:49:30 yum install libxml2-devel? Sep 03 14:51:46 stephg: merci! Sep 03 14:53:30 pas de probleme! Sep 03 14:54:01 stephg: and how can i mount an ntfs partition (from an external disc) on meego? Sep 03 14:57:18 i have a problem... don't know why but bluetooth and integrated microphone devide of my asus eee pc are no recognized by meego :( any idea? Sep 03 15:01:33 sorry clockipk Sep 03 15:01:39 was in the shower Sep 03 15:02:18 don't know that there is any ntfs support in meego natively (infact I don't think there is) Sep 03 15:02:29 so you'll need fuse and to get the module yourself Sep 03 15:03:01 as for bluetooth and the microphone, both should work once the modules are loaded Sep 03 15:07:15 clockipk your best bet for ntfs support is to find a moblin ntfs guide and try following that. Sep 03 15:08:42 stephg: have you read the private? Sep 03 15:08:52 ooh no Sep 03 15:08:55 one sec Sep 03 15:14:50 stephg: still in private :P Sep 03 15:30:23 * stephg really wishes he'd made sure 'kitchen sink' wasn't ticked when he started this Fedora install... Sep 03 15:55:17 hello... i need someone to explaind to me how can i install codecs for audio vide into meego... it's really hard and i don't find any documentation :( Sep 03 15:58:40 perhaps the mailing list would be a better place for that discussion codecsahhhr Sep 03 16:00:03 pupnik_: but i don't find me... do i have to build it or is there any sript? :S Sep 03 16:00:58 codecsahhhr: there is a script that someone posted in the forum Sep 03 16:01:14 you have to build the video codecs unfortunately Sep 03 16:01:22 however mp3 can be downloaded from fluendo Sep 03 16:02:41 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=269 Sep 03 16:08:21 Muttley: that's what i'm doing but i have an error saying this: checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp configure: error: in `/home/victor/Downloads/gst-plugins-base-0.10.30': configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check Sep 03 16:08:35 i don't know what to do :( Sep 03 16:15:25 codecsahhhr: do you have cpp installed (rpm -qa | grep cpp) Sep 03 16:20:25 node-control.cpp:8: error: ‘tr’ was not declared in this scope Sep 03 16:20:31 * CosmoHill shakes fist Sep 03 16:22:28 the netbook sdk download linked from here http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux fails at around 77MB downloaded for me Sep 03 16:22:46 Does that happen for other people too? Sep 03 16:23:31 lets find out Sep 03 16:24:16 meego-netbook-ia32-1.0.80.12.20100727.1-sdk-pre0729.tar.bz2 ? Sep 03 16:25:07 CosmoHill: yes Sep 03 16:25:23 direct link: http://download3.meego.com/meego-netbook-ia32-1.0.80.12.20100727.1-sdk-pre0729.tar.bz2 Sep 03 16:25:34 up to 200MB atm Sep 03 16:25:50 300MB Sep 03 16:26:14 400MB Sep 03 16:26:35 CosmoHill: and you have the same path as above, ofc? Sep 03 16:26:46 yep Sep 03 16:27:17 jonnor: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/ here you go Sep 03 16:29:23 CosmoHill: thanks Sep 03 16:32:59 let me know how that goes Sep 03 16:33:29 what about the remote control for a tv distro ? any progress on this front Sep 03 16:36:05 wtf. Xcode compiles code for i386 when I'm on a powermac Sep 03 16:38:33 CosmoHill: cool, but isn't your Mac getting a bit old then if it's still PowerPC ;) Sep 03 16:38:34 CosmoHill, PPC is obsolete, clearly anyone targetting it is foolish. ;) Sep 03 16:38:43 Apple knows best! Sep 03 16:38:45 CosmoHill: downloaded succesfully, hash matches and everything Sep 03 16:38:46 ha Sep 03 16:38:53 damn you both Sep 03 16:39:27 the official download timed out 4 times in a row, with different progress Sep 03 16:39:48 * GAN900 wonders if all of the consoles will use it again next refresh. Sep 03 16:41:25 it's stupid that it goes "I'll compile for i386" when I'm on PPC, it doesn't even have a ppc option Sep 03 16:41:55 Thanks again for quick help. I'm off now Sep 03 16:42:16 bye Sep 03 16:51:48 bah Sep 03 16:51:58 * CosmoHill throws the analogus clock example in the bin Sep 03 17:18:31 DawnFoster, Hi Sep 03 17:18:38 DawnFoster, I have a question about hotels Sep 03 17:19:29 DawnFoster, I will be requesting sponsorship for a hotel room - should I reserve a hotel room now? Sep 03 17:20:12 I know the question was more or less answered as "book now", but then what about sharing rooms (it seems reasonable for sponsored participants to share) Sep 03 17:21:18 dneary: that's a good question for quim - he's taking the lead on the process for sponsored participants Sep 03 17:21:26 Also, if you could get me a *little* budget, I'd like to run a Maker's Fayre contest :-) Sep 03 17:21:53 Something like "build a mouse-trap powered car" Sep 03 17:22:14 dneary: we should be able to swing some budget, but first we'll need: proposed costs / plans & some idea of how many people have agreed to come. Sep 03 17:22:23 OK Sep 03 17:22:34 dneary: I love the idea of doing something maker-related though Sep 03 17:22:39 sounds like a blast! Sep 03 17:22:53 Or a lollipop stick bridge Sep 03 17:23:01 Something not mobile related, though Sep 03 17:23:13 And yea, definitely sounds like fun :) Sep 03 17:23:48 One other question... Sep 03 17:24:16 Do you know which of the D4 hotels the rooms are in? (D4 is like a postal code, D4Hotels covers 3 hotels around Ballsbridge) Sep 03 17:27:21 Never mind - I see there's a direct link to a booking site on the conference website Sep 03 17:27:53 I have this almost irresistible urge every time I see "Dietary requirements" on a web form to write "Food" Sep 03 17:28:18 I usually write "Good food" Sep 03 17:28:21 This time, "Accessibility requirements" almost got "Doors, stairs. Elevators preferred" Sep 03 17:28:51 But I restrained myself & acted with the assumptions "normal" human beings do. Sep 03 17:28:53 dneary, are there D4 rooms left ? I guess you need to contact whoever is holding the block reservation to request one of those (if one is free) Sep 03 17:29:01 odin_, I dunno Sep 03 17:29:08 timoph: bacon! Sep 03 17:29:09 since I phoned D4 a week ago to ask and they are all out of rooms now Sep 03 17:29:14 :P Sep 03 17:29:55 Hmmm Sep 03 17:30:08 no Sep 03 17:30:10 Which hotel was the one across the road from the Aviva? Sep 03 17:30:17 we have pre-purchased all of their rooms :) Sep 03 17:30:31 you need to book them through the meego conference site to get those hotels Sep 03 17:30:33 DawnFoster, So who do I need to get on to to get my name on a bed? Sep 03 17:30:34 I hooked with www.grandcanalhotel.ie (for 61EUR a night) however don't expect sponsorship (unless you have checked its ok to use another hotel) Sep 03 17:30:41 s/hooked/booked/ Sep 03 17:30:43 odin_ meant: I booked with www.grandcanalhotel.ie (for 61EUR a night) however don't expect sponsorship (unless you have checked its ok to use another hotel) Sep 03 17:30:46 and I think they are the ones right across from the street Sep 03 17:31:10 DawnFoster, The booking site through the conference page has 3 hotels on there Sep 03 17:31:25 there's way too many good proposals for the conference.. this will be harder to choose than i thought :P Sep 03 17:31:45 we're actually going to have a deal on some rooms 5 rooms at 69€, and when those are gone we will get to offer another 25 rooms at 89€ rate Sep 03 17:32:09 it's one hotel "complex" with 3 buildings - each branded as a separate hotel Sep 03 17:32:28 * timoph booked a 69e room Sep 03 17:33:23 Oh good, I think the deal is up there, we just haven't posted the news item about it Sep 03 17:33:31 :) Sep 03 17:39:28 when will the final decisions be made on the conference proposal content ? Sep 03 17:41:11 If I remember correctly the mail I got after submitting said Sep 24 Sep 03 17:41:48 that is also the date of the sponsorship confirmations (as per FAQ) Sep 03 17:42:04 that's the plan (on both) Sep 03 17:56:21 any signs of a public access OBS this week, I notice build.meego.com keeps changing... earliar today it lost the "Latest updates" section, now its throwing errors Sep 03 17:59:44 hello! can anybody help me to build gstreamer codecs? Sep 03 18:05:42 hey DawnFoster Sep 03 18:05:46 I'm learning Qt :) Sep 03 18:05:55 hey CosmoHill Sep 03 18:05:58 awesome! Sep 03 18:06:33 CosmoHill: have you finished your MeeGo app yet :) Sep 03 18:06:46 not yet Sep 03 18:06:56 hello! can anybody help me to build gstreamer codecs? Sep 03 18:07:00 my app will control the clusters Sep 03 18:07:07 esmirlin: not me Sep 03 18:07:52 DawnFoster: basically it will have two sliders for the different node types and you slide them to select the number you wish to boot of that type Sep 03 18:08:51 esmirlin: did you search the forum already for an answer? Sep 03 18:09:08 esmirlin: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=269 has some info Sep 03 18:09:19 and there are other threads that talk about it, too I think Sep 03 18:09:42 DawnFoster: i've found them but ... i got an error with the base one :S Sep 03 18:10:29 do you meet the requirements to compile gstreamer? Sep 03 18:10:38 did you post your error in the forum? Sep 03 18:13:10 Stskeeps: lol, when will the sample-media bugs stop :) Sep 03 18:16:21 DawnFoster: ok i got it... anoyther thing... everytime i try to install simple-scan from the garage i got the retry message and i cant... Sep 03 18:17:00 esmirlin: did you file a bug for it with more details - error message, etc.? Sep 03 18:17:39 no, it says just retry instead of install Sep 03 18:29:14 * CosmoHill chases pointers around Sep 03 18:34:55 * CosmoHill goes ape poop Sep 03 18:35:02 I have one pointer and it's going wrong >.< Sep 03 18:41:57 mbatle: hey im back... whats the git repo url? Sep 03 19:09:56 i have a question, during compiling ffmpeg after the comand ./configure --prefix=/usr i typed sudo make install by mistake instead of make ... what sould i do? Sep 03 19:10:15 sudo make uninstall Sep 03 19:10:49 and then make; make install? Sep 03 19:10:54 yes Sep 03 19:11:00 ok thanks Sep 03 19:11:20 np Sep 03 19:30:05 anyone know about a nokia 5530 freezing? Sep 03 19:30:27 nope Sep 03 19:34:37 getting rid of some old obsolete stuff in the topic :) Sep 03 19:34:58 cool Sep 03 19:35:46 (like the blog post from May) Sep 03 19:35:56 thanks :) Sep 03 19:36:12 I probably read the topic once in march Sep 03 19:36:35 it's funny how we look at something everyday and completely ignore it Sep 03 19:37:05 "jesus, how long have you been sat there!" Sep 03 19:41:45 (jesus as in surprise, not Jesus himself) Sep 03 20:31:15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keu4GiTGQ6M John Carmack demos 'Rage' on iphone - quakecon 2010 Sep 03 20:34:11 pupnik_: oh, sorry, we'll give up and migrate to iOS right away Sep 03 20:35:31 is meego talking to id about getting some titles on the next device? Sep 03 20:35:58 or to be honest, nokia Sep 03 20:38:52 are there dev images with 1.1 for n900 around yet? Sep 03 20:40:50 Quake 3 has been available on the N900 for, like, what, a year? Sep 03 20:41:26 it was available before the N900 was in shops Sep 03 20:46:02 And Quake 2 appears to be available now. Sep 03 20:46:06 * lpotter still waits for tempest Sep 03 20:46:48 MAME's available. Sep 03 20:47:18 tempest would be ok with analog controller Sep 03 20:47:26 gravitar is fun even on 770 Sep 03 20:48:23 Most people use the accelerometer when they want non-binary input. Sep 03 20:48:52 tempest w/ accel would be awesome Sep 03 21:53:16 http://pastebin.cross-lfs.org/13228 Sep 03 21:53:17 damn! Sep 03 21:54:01 pupnik_, what's the big deal with unreleased game? I was playing these http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxdZWhga0Vw just today. Sep 03 22:25:03 People here know about the WeTab? http://wetab.mobi/en It seems they will beat Nokia for the first MeeGo device. Sep 03 22:27:33 * CosmoHill grows at qmake Sep 03 22:27:38 growls* Sep 03 22:28:06 I know, lets target a different architecture to to what his laptop is Sep 03 22:28:13 hello, meego doesn't recognize my bluetoth and integrated microphone devices what can i do? i haven't fount anything Sep 03 22:28:43 is your device on the listed devices? Sep 03 22:51:17 CosmoHill: sorry i got a call Sep 03 22:52:23 the devides worked fine with windows 7 started but on meego it seems as if they don't exist d'you know whay i mean? Sep 03 22:54:50 meego has a list of devices Sep 03 22:56:33 CosmoHill: how can i do it? Sep 03 22:56:44 go onto the wiki and search "devices" Sep 03 23:01:09 uhsf: where do you see that the wetab uses meego? Sep 03 23:06:20 cos i don't find enything... can you help me please? Sep 03 23:07:59 http://meego.com/devices/netbook/supported-hardware-platforms Sep 03 23:10:28 CosmoHill: yes my eee is listed Sep 03 23:14:14 CosmoHill: ?? Sep 03 23:14:25 hmm then it should work Sep 03 23:15:48 auke: WeTab OS is based on MeeGo http://liliputing.com/2010/09/neofonie-wetab-now-runs-meego-linux.html and http://www.geek.com/articles/gadgets/wetab-pre-orders-outpace-ipad-sales-in-germany-2010092/ Sep 03 23:18:14 bufff all is so hard :( Sep 03 23:18:18 ill be right back Sep 03 23:25:18 CosmoHill: still nothing, any idea? Sep 03 23:25:27 bit busy Sep 03 23:25:29 give me 10 mins Sep 03 23:26:09 ok Sep 03 23:29:35 uhsf, are you sure thats meego - someone was saying things like OOo arent available Sep 03 23:29:49 it sure looks slick though :) Sep 03 23:31:01 nice Sep 03 23:31:16 I installed open office on my meego netbook Sep 03 23:31:20 that's what some well placed articles will do for your sales Sep 03 23:31:57 DawnFoster, ahhh so its been built Sep 03 23:32:11 I installed the fedora rpm Sep 03 23:32:19 nothing special for meego, yet Sep 03 23:32:21 but it works Sep 03 23:32:38 I do my conference presentations about MeeGo from my netbook using open office Sep 03 23:33:11 someone at Novell was working on a more optimized version of open office that looks a little better on MeeGo Sep 03 23:33:39 not sure if they've finished it or posted it anywhere Sep 03 23:35:29 good news Sep 03 23:37:37 http://black-flag.co.uk/wordpress/2010/09/03/qmake-on-powerpc/ :) Sep 03 23:38:26 isn't open office in java? Sep 03 23:39:09 nope Sep 03 23:39:28 some parts of it are made with java, but those are optional Sep 03 23:40:07 maybe it was Netbeans I'm thinking of Sep 03 23:40:34 ah it was NeoOffice Sep 03 23:41:20 used to be an OOo build for moblin, that worked okay but was somewhat cluttered.... would benefit from someone paying attention to what really needs to be on the screen, when the screen is small Sep 03 23:42:26 * CosmoHill picks up his powerbook and almost burns his finger tips in the process Sep 03 23:43:02 I wouldn't hold my breath on Open Office development continuing Sep 03 23:43:12 * ScottishDuck looks at Oracle and Open Source Sep 03 23:43:29 they've already buggered OpenSolaris Sep 03 23:43:36 and Virtualbox Sep 03 23:43:42 really? Sep 03 23:43:49 it's really unstable now Sep 03 23:43:53 probably about to kill it Sep 03 23:44:09 I thought they'd been working on improvements for it Sep 03 23:44:14 murmurs that they might kill mysql Sep 03 23:44:22 which would be huge Sep 03 23:44:42 this is why I don't like companies buying their competitors Sep 03 23:44:52 great for them, not so good for the rest of us Sep 03 23:45:06 Especially when said company is in bed with microsoft Sep 03 23:45:59 I can't use Oracle Open Office anyway since it requires intel Sep 03 23:46:10 ._. Sep 03 23:46:29 * CosmoHill is PowerPC Sep 03 23:46:29 I was offered a G5 iMac for £60 the other day Sep 03 23:46:34 probably should have got it Sep 03 23:46:50 really? Sep 03 23:47:00 yep Sep 03 23:47:02 I could have gotten one when I got his powerbook Sep 03 23:47:14 half the price and double the performace Sep 03 23:47:21 well not half the price, it's still a mac Sep 03 23:47:37 can't really kill mysql, there's already a viable fork going Sep 03 23:48:10 mwichmann: the absence of enterprise support would be a big deal Sep 03 23:48:53 it would basically leave... MSSQL Sep 03 23:49:23 sure, and that's true for any loss of developer support for OOo as well Sep 03 23:49:32 just like it would be for eclipse Sep 03 23:49:41 chance to see if they can really stand on their own :) Sep 03 23:49:53 won't any project Oracle close be forked? Sep 03 23:50:10 yeah but a fork wouldn't have enterprise support Sep 03 23:50:15 so it would die commercially Sep 03 23:50:25 and thus lose developers Sep 03 23:52:03 I'm always interested to see if a project can survive without a massive backer Sep 03 23:52:39 Well there is always the danger it will spiral Sep 03 23:53:27 ... surivie the loss of a massive backer, that is Sep 03 23:55:31 on another note, I wish I didn't install iTunes 10 on my mac Sep 03 23:55:34 it looks terrible Sep 03 23:55:44 and is functionally impared Sep 03 23:57:39 ScottishDuck: have you ever tries comes with music aka ovi music? Sep 03 23:57:50 nope Sep 03 23:58:10 i'm sure if you did you would feel better about itunes Sep 03 23:58:13 I just buy + rip Sep 03 23:58:17 i don't think there is a mac version though Sep 03 23:58:37 I mean't iTunes as a music player rather than as a service Sep 03 23:58:52 CWM is a music player too Sep 03 23:59:09 it's absolutely awful though Sep 03 23:59:12 I don't use DRMd music so I'm not tied to any player Sep 03 23:59:26 neither do i Sep 03 23:59:42 i got a free year of CWM with a free phone Sep 03 23:59:48 so i figured i would try it Sep 04 00:00:12 I'm pretty sure CWM is all 128kbps anyway :/ Sep 04 00:00:20 best thing about it was the 5800 uses same battery as N900 so i have a spare Sep 04 00:00:26 the phone, and the CWM are both awful Sep 04 00:00:41 yeah I've seen the 5800 Sep 04 00:00:42 wow Sep 04 00:00:47 what a terrible device Sep 04 00:01:31 free 8GB SD card + free spare battery for N900 was worth the delivery fee i guess Sep 04 00:02:20 lol Sep 04 00:02:58 ScottishDuck: I saw that update todate and didn't install it Sep 04 00:03:05 good choice Sep 04 00:03:13 It STILL doesn't have x64 Sep 04 00:03:24 all new itunes, supporting shiny shit you've never gonna by Sep 04 00:03:27 even though it's probably the one Apple core app that would benefit Sep 04 00:04:02 considering they've had 64bit processor for about 4 years now they still don't make much use of them Sep 04 00:04:06 yes indeed Sep 04 00:04:32 what doesn't have x64? Sep 04 00:04:39 http://www.newgadgets.de/17988/wetab-lauft-mit-meego/wetab-meego/ Sep 04 00:04:58 thiago_home: iTunes apparantly Sep 04 00:05:11 Pretty much every other Apple app uses x64 Sep 04 00:05:16 and not iTunes Sep 04 00:05:25 which deals with databases Sep 04 00:05:28 ... Sep 04 00:05:30 Apple Sep 04 00:08:05 hello, volume control doesn't let me change the internal/external micophonr Sep 04 00:08:12 *microphone Sep 04 00:09:05 CosmoHill: estás porai? Sep 04 00:09:10 no Sep 04 00:09:12 sorry, are you there? Sep 04 00:09:14 yes Sep 04 00:09:17 lol Sep 04 00:09:29 any idea about the micro and the bluetooth? Sep 04 00:09:36 nope Sep 04 00:09:42 i don't find anything on google :S Sep 04 00:09:53 probably to new to be on google Sep 04 00:15:42 bufff so hard :S Sep 04 00:20:59 night night **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Sep 04 02:59:57 2010