**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 04 02:59:57 2010
Sep 04 07:01:39 * Stskeeps ponders idly about compliance document
Sep 04 07:01:52 <Stskeeps> i think it's one of those documents that's better commented -after- coffee. and lunch.
Sep 04 07:01:55 <Stskeeps> :P
Sep 04 07:16:29 <Stskeeps> wb FatalSaint
Sep 04 07:18:37 <johnx> Stskeeps, compliance can mean soooo many different things to different people :)
Sep 04 07:19:11 <Stskeeps> johnx: yeah but the document is .. interestingly formed
Sep 04 07:19:28 <Stskeeps> got a fedora 12 vm to build meego images in yet? ;)
Sep 04 07:19:49 <johnx> I'm doing a major desktop upgrade later this month
Sep 04 07:19:54 <johnx> first time in 5 years
Sep 04 07:20:01 <johnx> for now I think I'll just work natively
Sep 04 07:20:59 <Stskeeps> natively? insane talk ;)
Sep 04 07:21:40 <johnx> I have 1GB of RAM on my desktop, I have 256MB in my target device: I honestly don't think I could devote more RAM to compiling on my desktop than I could on my target device ...
Sep 04 07:21:45 <Stskeeps> hehe
Sep 04 07:21:53 <johnx> plus, if I dev natively I don't have to deal with OBS :>
Sep 04 07:22:22 <Stskeeps> meh, you don't have to with mic2
Sep 04 07:22:39 <johnx> that's the thing that needs SSE3 or the thing that needs VT?
Sep 04 07:22:44 <Stskeeps> neither
Sep 04 07:23:01 <Stskeeps> honestly, if you want to get a port started, i recommend having a mic2 instance ready in a fedora 12 chroot/vm. mic2 is the image generator, takes rpms, makes a root file system/image
Sep 04 07:23:01 <johnx> ok, now you tell me :P
Sep 04 07:23:33 <Stskeeps> it makes ports really easy to do :P
Sep 04 07:23:47 <johnx> sooo, does it have to be fedora x86?
Sep 04 07:24:37 <Stskeeps> ideally
Sep 04 07:25:49 <johnx> strangely, I actually have a lot of CPU power in aggregate, across several machines...
Sep 04 07:26:07 <Stskeeps> well, you don't really need much cpu power for image building :)
Sep 04 07:26:17 <Stskeeps> cos very little is being run as scriptlets
Sep 04 07:26:26 <Stskeeps> it uses native rpm to install packages
Sep 04 07:27:15 <johnx> and you think running out of a chroot won't be a nightmare?
Sep 04 07:27:22 <Stskeeps> i use it that way.
Sep 04 07:27:28 <johnx> sold
Sep 04 07:27:35 <Stskeeps> i have to set up binfmt_misc and vdso, but besides that..
Sep 04 07:28:52 <Stskeeps> http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Features/CallAudio if you want to play with the working modem in n900
Sep 04 07:29:10 <johnx> nah, I have other plans :>
Sep 04 07:29:12 <Stskeeps> hehe
Sep 04 07:29:20 <johnx> this time at least it's not for ancient hardware
Sep 04 07:29:34 <Stskeeps> generally if you can run GLESv2 you're well off
Sep 04 07:29:35 <Stskeeps> :P
Sep 04 07:30:25 <johnx> so how's the redistributability of the SGX/GLES2 driver/libs?
Sep 04 07:30:31 <Stskeeps> in progress
Sep 04 07:31:00 <johnx> is the SGX kernel driver open source?
Sep 04 07:31:16 <Stskeeps> yeah, been since fremantle afaik
Sep 04 07:31:34 <johnx> good, that's all nice and kosher then :D
Sep 04 07:31:54 * johnx grins
Sep 04 07:33:12 * johnx looks for his other SD card
Sep 04 08:52:44 <gjp> what is meego
Sep 04 09:21:09 <jkknok> I have problem when writing image on 2GB sd card. There is always one file missing and the devide gives a lot of errors nothing else. Any other way to write image than dd?
Sep 04 09:21:32 <Stskeeps> jkknok: how do you dd?
Sep 04 09:21:33 <johnx> do you see errors in dmesg?
Sep 04 09:21:59 <jkknok> I use ubuntu and terminal
Sep 04 09:24:22 <jkknok> Yes I see dmegs errors when runnig r/d-mode something error in readin sector xxxx
Sep 04 09:25:38 <johnx> so you see I/O errors in dmesg when you try to dd the image?
Sep 04 09:27:11 <jkknok> no errorr when wriring only the final log says that there is one file lesser in than out
Sep 04 09:28:50 <jkknok> I tried once Imagewriter but it stopped always and never went trough
Sep 04 09:31:49 <johnx> could you pastebin the output?
Sep 04 09:34:51 <jkknok> Yes but it will take a while cos I heve to do dd once again
Sep 04 09:40:07 <vilvo> I have spare booklet and I want to drop meego into it. Just boot it to shell to fix driver issues. problem is that after successful installation it boots until it jams completely. tried also modified images based on vgrade's work.
Sep 04 09:42:24 * lbt books conference accomodation... and notes the dropdown box for credit card *expiration* starts with 2005 .... uh-huh....
Sep 04 09:42:47 <vilvo> hmm, booted it with systemrescuecd image to see last lines of /var/log/messages and it says "connmand[317]: Operation failed" five times before it shuts down for system halt?
Sep 04 09:48:36 <lbt> DawnFoster: any special reason I get redirected to http://www.cepic.org/congress having booked my conference accomodation (moments after submitting my credit card details) ... potentially not a warm fuzzy feeling for signees...
Sep 04 10:07:51 <FloTimm> hello, could someone help me? i installed meego and know i want to add it to grub using yast. How could i do this?
Sep 04 10:08:05 <FloTimm> know = now
Sep 04 10:13:02 <FloTimm> hello, could someone help me? i installed meego and now i want to add it to grub using yast. How could i do this?
Sep 04 10:13:25 <pupnik_> http://www.geek.com/articles/gadgets/wetab-pre-orders-outpace-ipad-sales-in-germany-2010092/    Did you see this?
Sep 04 10:14:16 <pupnik_> FloTimm: i haven't used yast, sorry
Sep 04 10:14:22 <pupnik_> not for many years
Sep 04 11:25:11 <vlj> hi
Sep 04 11:25:26 <vlj> I cannot get syncevolution to sync with ovi calendar :/
Sep 04 11:57:20 <LoCusF_> How do I tell mic2 not to clean up the temporary directory?
Sep 04 11:57:41 <LoCusF_> (doing a ubi image build but I only need the ubifs image)
Sep 04 12:05:25 <LoCusF_> hmm, nevermind, I used ubiformat to format the mic2 ubi image to the nandsim mtd device
Sep 04 12:45:54 <printerhelp> hello i'm trying to install an hp multifonction printer on meego but i don't get it... any idea?
Sep 04 12:49:37 <printerhelp> hello i'm trying to install an hp multifonction printer on meego but i don't get it... any idea?
Sep 04 12:50:08 <lcuk> printerhelp, you don't et it ?
Sep 04 12:50:25 <lcuk> it doesnt have the drivers or you don't know how to even try to add the drivers you do have?
Sep 04 12:51:21 <printerhelp> lcuk: i come from ubuntu, there i just plug the printer and ubuntu installes it automatically... so know i don't even know how to start :S
Sep 04 12:53:01 <lcuk> indeed, I am not sure myself how it should get drivers - I guess you do not know the packages that ubuntu installs for your printer do you?
Sep 04 12:54:06 <CosmoHill> http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/index.html
Sep 04 12:54:17 <Bostik> printerhelp: on ubuntu desktop installation you have pretty much all the CUPS (and ppd) driver packages installed; the autoinstaller just runs the configuration tool in the background
Sep 04 13:08:48 <lcuk> Bostik (or anyone) if you have a meego netbook install, could you check which cups packages are around?
Sep 04 13:09:37 <lcuk> DawnFoster mentioned she used Fedora rpms happily so perhaps digging into their repository to get required packages might also be feasible here too
Sep 04 13:09:41 <Bostik> hm, I do have a netbook image in VM
Sep 04 13:09:43 <Bostik> a moment
Sep 04 13:10:17 <printerhelp> Bostik: and how could i do it so?
Sep 04 13:10:50 <lcuk> printerhelp, lets just see which may be available then will try to relay that info to you if its feasible for you to try
Sep 04 13:11:30 <Bostik> the default netbook image only has these cups/ppd related packages installed by default: cups & cups-libs; foomatic-db-ppds
Sep 04 13:11:50 <printerhelp> lcuk: thanks very much
Sep 04 13:12:08 <Bostik> no hplip, no hpijs
Sep 04 13:12:37 <lcuk> ahh Bostik do you think its work printerhelp trying to add these packages to see if generic printing can work?
Sep 04 13:12:43 <lcuk> its worth
Sep 04 13:13:01 <lcuk> or are they already on the image
Sep 04 13:13:16 <Bostik> certainly worth a try; "zypper search cups" is a great starting point
Sep 04 13:17:10 <sivang> when it is said that Maemo 6 will have "gesture support" what does that mean?
Sep 04 13:17:18 <sivang> like, phone camera gesture support?
Sep 04 13:17:49 <thiago_home> sivang: QGesture
Sep 04 13:18:06 <lcuk> sivang, i would guess that gestures are supported
Sep 04 13:18:09 <lcuk> :P
Sep 04 13:18:30 <lcuk> screen swipe type gestures
Sep 04 13:18:36 <lcuk> not flipping the bird recognition
Sep 04 13:18:45 <sivang> so nothing like http://www.eyesight-tech.com/
Sep 04 13:18:52 <sivang> hey thiago_home , /me googles
Sep 04 13:18:58 <w00t_> tbh phone recognition of someone flipping the bird would be awesome
Sep 04 13:19:16 <lcuk> w00t_, yeah
Sep 04 13:20:06 <thiago_home> no, not eyesight
Sep 04 13:21:03 <sivang> thiago_home: do you know fi their stuff going to be integrated or remain asa third party app?
Sep 04 13:21:23 <thiago_home> is their stuff open source?
Sep 04 13:21:30 <sivang> thiago_home: let me check
Sep 04 13:22:12 <thiago_home> if it isn't, I doubt meego will use it
Sep 04 13:22:27 <sivang> right, that is a good thing :)
Sep 04 13:22:35 <sivang> Hmm, they seem to have gone quite far with that idea
Sep 04 13:22:47 <sivang> I mean, a company for gestures
Sep 04 13:48:08 <printerhelp> lcuk: any chance?
Sep 04 13:48:57 <lcuk> printerhelp, ..
Sep 04 13:48:58 <lcuk> <Bostik> certainly worth a try; "zypper search cups" is a great starting point
Sep 04 13:49:07 <lcuk> and see what cups stuff you do have
Sep 04 13:49:29 <lcuk> i think its something that as more packages are brought over and available in the repos it will become easier for
Sep 04 13:49:38 <lcuk> certainly make some noise on the hp forums perhaps
Sep 04 13:49:47 <lcuk> to request someone look and push them
Sep 04 13:51:22 <printerhelp> lcuk: i have them... hot to paste bin?
Sep 04 13:51:37 <printerhelp> wait
Sep 04 13:51:41 <lcuk> try installing them
Sep 04 13:51:43 <lcuk> :)
Sep 04 13:52:02 * lcuk does not know how to work rpm stuff either but just trying to talk to see if others jump and help
Sep 04 14:12:42 <printerhelp_> lcukn900:  sorriy
Sep 04 14:12:45 <printerhelp_> lcukn900:
Sep 04 14:13:04 <printerhelp_> http://pastebin.ca/1932703
Sep 04 14:14:00 <printerhelp_> HELLO??
Sep 04 14:14:21 <thiago_home> no need for shouting, we're here
Sep 04 14:14:45 <printerhelp_> sorry :P
Sep 04 14:18:04 <printerhelp_> hola?
Sep 04 14:18:15 <thiago_home> we're still here
Sep 04 14:19:22 <printerhelp_> anyone is having printer not working ?
Sep 04 14:19:43 <thiago_home> I don't have a printer
Sep 04 14:19:51 <gabrbedd> I don't have a printer.
Sep 04 14:22:01 <printerhelp_> ok
Sep 04 14:23:33 <lcuk> printerhelp_, i said, try to install the cups package
Sep 04 14:23:36 <lcuk> and just see what happens
Sep 04 14:23:50 <lcuk> i dont even have a running meego personally and was just trying to poke in right direction
Sep 04 14:24:18 <thiago_home> my meego netbook is in the office and powered down
Sep 04 14:25:05 <`Alt096> hi all
Sep 04 14:25:11 <thiago_home> I might be able to help you on Monday, if I'm not too busy
Sep 04 14:41:27 <ColKilkenny> does someone know if meego (handset) has some sort of safe storage for applications to use?
Sep 04 14:41:34 <ColKilkenny> like gnome keyring or something like that
Sep 04 14:42:44 <ColKilkenny> architecture page talks about personal services but that's all I've found
Sep 04 14:43:16 <printerhelp>  lcukn900 you there?
Sep 04 14:53:26 <CosmoHill> printerhelp: how's it going?
Sep 04 14:54:42 <printerhelp> CosmoHill: i got the cup's list and a site talking about it but i don't understand it very well
Sep 04 14:55:13 <CosmoHill> would you like to try adding the printer directly via the cups interface?
Sep 04 14:55:41 <thiago_home> if you've already installed and started cups, go to http://localhost:631 and add the printer there
Sep 04 14:57:07 <CosmoHill> thiago_home: damn you, that's the thing I was gonna say. I was waiting for him to say "yes"
Sep 04 14:57:31 <printerhelp> CosmoHill:  if it works sure!
Sep 04 14:58:51 <pupnik> so what new software houses are lining-up to make meego software
Sep 04 14:58:58 <printerhelp> CosmoHill: how do i do it?
Sep 04 15:00:00 <CosmoHill> printerhelp: see what thiago_home said
Sep 04 15:00:45 <printerhelp> CosmoHill: his link doesn't work
Sep 04 15:01:00 <CosmoHill> the localhost one?
Sep 04 15:01:16 <printerhelp> yep
Sep 04 15:01:27 <CosmoHill> try: sudo /etc/init.d/cups start
Sep 04 15:02:09 <printerhelp> CosmoHill: it said it doesn't exist
Sep 04 15:02:37 <CosmoHill> then you haven't got cups installed yet
Sep 04 15:03:00 <printerhelp> how do i install them? sudo yum instal cups?
Sep 04 15:03:26 <CosmoHill> could try that
Sep 04 15:03:38 <CosmoHill> not sure if cups would be installed by default or not
Sep 04 15:03:56 <ScottishDuck> Shouldn't the meego front page have removed references to "Handset Day 1" now
Sep 04 15:04:27 <CosmoHill> ScottishDuck: but time is an illusion
Sep 04 15:04:32 <printerhelp> CosmoHill: El paquete cups-1.4.2-31.1.i586 ya se encuentra instalado con su versión más reciente
Sep 04 15:04:43 <CosmoHill> install that
Sep 04 15:05:01 <CosmoHill> or is that already installed?
Sep 04 15:05:24 <printerhelp> the message says the package is already installed in the last version
Sep 04 15:05:32 <CosmoHill> find /etc -name "*cups*"
Sep 04 15:08:29 <printerhelp> CosmoHill: http://pastebin.ca/1932767
Sep 04 15:09:24 <CosmoHill> could you pastebin /etc/xinetd.d/cupsd ?
Sep 04 15:10:42 <printerhelp> yes wait
Sep 04 15:12:19 <CosmoHill> pastebin.ca looks nice
Sep 04 15:12:35 <CosmoHill> we've been having problems with our pastebin, spammed to hell
Sep 04 15:12:53 <printerhelp> CosmoHill: cupsd and rsync
Sep 04 15:12:55 * thiago_home likes pastebin.ca too
Sep 04 15:13:08 <thiago_home> except that it has a "whatever you paste is public domain" part
Sep 04 15:13:20 <printerhelp> CosmoHill: y3es that's what i always use
Sep 04 15:13:39 <CosmoHill> we have pastebin.cross-lfs.org but it's full of spam
Sep 04 15:13:46 <CosmoHill> even tho we emptied it on wednesday
Sep 04 15:13:49 <printerhelp> thiago_home: but who cares... :P
Sep 04 15:13:54 <thiago_home> printerhelp: I do
Sep 04 15:14:04 <thiago_home> more importantly, the Legal dept. does
Sep 04 15:14:10 <thiago_home> so we can't use it for our code reviews
Sep 04 15:14:20 <printerhelp> that's true
Sep 04 15:14:55 <CosmoHill> thiago_home: so you have to use a lot of attachments in emails
Sep 04 15:15:07 <CosmoHill> printerhelp: can you give me the link to your post
Sep 04 15:15:33 <printerhelp> how do i dir a directory on the console?
Sep 04 15:15:42 <CosmoHill> "ls"
Sep 04 15:17:52 <printerhelp> CosmoHill: and what you you want exactly my to show you?
Sep 04 15:18:00 <CosmoHill> cupsd
Sep 04 15:18:06 <printerhelp> ahhh oks
Sep 04 15:18:06 <CosmoHill> the content of
Sep 04 15:19:16 <printerhelp> http://pastebin.ca/1932778
Sep 04 15:23:22 <CosmoHill> okay
Sep 04 15:23:43 <CosmoHill> sudo /etc/init.d/xinetd restart
Sep 04 15:24:35 <printerhelp> CosmoHill: done
Sep 04 15:25:44 <CosmoHill> now try http://localhost:631
Sep 04 15:26:12 <thiago_home> cups is usually not xinetd...
Sep 04 15:27:00 <CosmoHill> it's not on my system
Sep 04 15:27:40 <CosmoHill> damn, can't run pastebin.ca code on the server
Sep 04 15:28:38 <printerhelp> shit
Sep 04 15:28:52 <printerhelp> i still cant go in :S
Sep 04 15:29:53 <CosmoHill> open a new terminal and run "cupsd -f"
Sep 04 15:32:05 <thiago_home> run: /etc/init.d/cups start
Sep 04 15:32:29 <CosmoHill> if that works I'll be annoyed, mostly because I've already told him to do that
Sep 04 15:32:44 <CosmoHill> printerhelp: you are a "him", correct?
Sep 04 15:35:28 <CosmoHill> http://pastebin.ca/cmt.php?view=1880 << weird
Sep 04 15:37:47 <printerhelp> CosmoHill: lol yes
Sep 04 15:42:11 <printerhelp> CosmoHill: i still cant :S when i type /etc/init.d/cups start the console tells me the command doesn't exist
Sep 04 15:42:43 <printerhelp> [victor@victor-desktop ~]$ sudo /etc/init.d/cups start sudo: /etc/init.d/cups: command not found
Sep 04 15:44:25 <CosmoHill> rpm -q cups
Sep 04 15:46:44 <CosmoHill> looks like meego doesn't currently support HP printers by default
Sep 04 15:47:01 <CosmoHill> I can't find a HPLIPS package in the repos
Sep 04 15:47:35 <printerhelp> cups-1.4.2-31.1.i586
Sep 04 15:48:16 <printerhelp> CosmoHill: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=584
Sep 04 15:49:44 <CosmoHill> give that a go and see how it works
Sep 04 15:50:46 <printerhelp> what?
Sep 04 15:51:11 <CosmoHill> try what the guy in the link did and see if it works for you
Sep 04 15:52:08 <printerhelp> ok i will try
Sep 04 15:58:32 <TheOne-n900> hi, can someone say to me for what plattforms meego offer an sdk, please?
Sep 04 15:59:13 <TheOne-n900> especially i want to know whether there is a mac os sdk?
Sep 04 16:00:57 <CosmoHill> I know you can develop Qt appilcations on OS X
Sep 04 16:02:27 <TheOne-n900> ok so it is possible to develop for meego on a mac
Sep 04 16:02:53 <CosmoHill> I assume so, most of the intel developers seem to have macs
Sep 04 16:03:10 <CosmoHill> are you on intel or powerpc?
Sep 04 16:03:50 <TheOne-n900> intel based
Sep 04 16:05:11 <TheOne-n900> okay so all in all you can develop with linux, win and (intel-based) mac?
Sep 04 16:06:02 <printerhelp> CosmoHill:  what should i choose as linux system? fedora?
Sep 04 16:06:09 <CosmoHill> could work
Sep 04 16:09:40 <TheOne-n900> just a quick yes or no to my question?
Sep 04 16:10:02 <CosmoHill> you'd have to wait for someone else for that answer
Sep 04 16:11:25 <lcuk> CosmoHill, some people have no patience
Sep 04 16:18:02 <printerhelp> another thing... does anyone know why can't i manipulate the internal microphone (just the external one)? so the internal doesn't work
Sep 04 16:18:42 <CosmoHill> nope
Sep 04 16:18:46 <CosmoHill> someone else had that problem tho
Sep 04 16:20:14 <printerhelp> i've looked if my ee had it (i wasn't even sure if i had cous in ubuntu it didn't work either)
Sep 04 16:28:45 <CosmoHill> just wondering, meego would run on macbook pros as they have a Intel HD graphics card right?
Sep 04 16:30:01 <vilvo> can someone tell how I can disable uxlaunch starting in loop?
Sep 04 16:30:37 <CosmoHill> boot into init 3
Sep 04 16:30:38 <CosmoHill> ?
Sep 04 16:35:12 <vilvo> right, thanks :)
Sep 04 17:09:35 <sofar> yup init 3 lol
Sep 04 17:30:57 <plxotl> how well does meego support external displays at the moment? like making an app for a device running meego that can also output content to a tv/projector/etc the device is connected to.
Sep 04 18:36:10 <esmirlin> CosmoHill: the printer solution of the guy of the forum worked ok, no scanner but at least it prints
Sep 04 18:36:27 <CosmoHill> it did say there was no scanner on the forum
Sep 04 18:36:37 <CosmoHill> printer and scanning are two different processes
Sep 04 18:36:55 <CosmoHill> printing*
Sep 04 18:37:16 <esmirlin> i'm having lots of package fails... in telepathy mission control for example... how can i fix them?
Sep 04 18:37:37 <CosmoHill> no idea :)
Sep 04 18:37:45 <CosmoHill> I don't actually use meego
Sep 04 18:37:45 <esmirlin> and how can i web chating and sending fileson empathy?
Sep 04 19:29:49 <theplic> hi all
Sep 04 19:35:01 * CosmoHill is making progress with Qt
Sep 04 20:07:58 <CosmoHill> hmm
Sep 04 20:08:58 <theplic> im trying to get the meego sdk setup. it says qemu needs VT but the grep didnt find any flags
Sep 04 20:09:22 <theplic> what shud i do? i just have a intel mobile gl960 integrated graphics controller
Sep 04 20:18:13 <CosmoHill> http://black-flag.co.uk/files/node-selector.png :)
Sep 04 20:49:33 <Stskeeps> stephg: your system is odd.
Sep 04 20:49:48 <Stskeeps> stephg: one explanation on BME versioning is that it got rebuilt
Sep 04 20:49:55 <stephg> hehe
Sep 04 20:49:58 <stephg> good evening
Sep 04 20:50:22 <stephg> the same is true with the other packages tho'
Sep 04 20:50:44 <Stskeeps> well, there was a rebuild for sure
Sep 04 20:50:47 <Stskeeps> try -5 -6, -7
Sep 04 20:51:27 <stephg> will do, one sec
Sep 04 20:52:32 <stephg> bme-rx-51-0.8.55-[7-9].1.armv7l.rpm all don't exist
Sep 04 20:54:03 <Stskeeps> hrm
Sep 04 20:54:07 <Stskeeps> and .2 .3?
Sep 04 20:54:19 <stephg> let me check those as well
Sep 04 20:54:29 <Stskeeps> i don't have a local copy of the repo right now so can't check
Sep 04 20:55:27 <stephg> 6.[2-6] all 404
Sep 04 20:55:34 <stephg> let me try 7...
Sep 04 20:56:18 <stephg> nope :(
Sep 04 20:56:57 <stephg> 7 & 8 are the same.
Sep 04 20:57:11 * Stskeeps goes grab a copy
Sep 04 20:57:29 <stephg> the 20100824 weekly has this opengles-sgx-img-common-1.4.20090218.110-1.35.armv7l
Sep 04 20:57:37 <stephg> again that one 404's on the repo
Sep 04 20:57:57 <stephg> I take it you don't have shell access to the maemo repository
Sep 04 20:58:37 <Stskeeps> i do, actually
Sep 04 20:59:07 <Stskeeps> which weekly are we looking at again>?
Sep 04 20:59:33 <stephg> 20100824.1
Sep 04 20:59:52 <stephg> builds/trunk/1.0.80.16.20100824.1/nokia-n900-non-oss/repos/armv7l/packages/
Sep 04 20:59:55 <Stskeeps> yeah, something majorily fucked up there
Sep 04 21:00:02 <stephg> eek
Sep 04 21:03:52 <Stskeeps> stephg: yeah, you're right. something's wrong on our side. can't do much to fix it but i'll have our release guy fix it monday
Sep 04 21:04:53 <stephg> well it's no big deal for that release obviously as time goes on
Sep 04 21:05:04 <stephg> but I guess the cause is important to understand
Sep 04 21:05:07 <stephg> so it doesn't happen again
Sep 04 21:05:22 <Stskeeps> yes
Sep 04 21:05:28 <stephg> 'cos 20100831 doesn't build either (as you said, for different reasons)
Sep 04 21:05:29 <Stskeeps> there's basically no binaries since 24.1
Sep 04 21:05:39 <stephg> that's not so good ;)
Sep 04 21:10:27 <stephg> is it worth me raising the broken build for 1.0.90.0.20100831.1 as well?
Sep 04 21:10:37 <stephg> or are they all related
Sep 04 21:11:44 <Stskeeps> think this is a catch-all
Sep 04 21:11:55 <Stskeeps> just added it to the bug report and assigned to Sage
Sep 04 21:12:17 <stephg> coolio, I shall say nothing then
Sep 04 21:12:20 <stephg> thanks for the help
Sep 04 21:12:39 <Stskeeps> thanks for the report
Sep 04 21:12:59 <Stskeeps> next question is how the hell the .ks builds worked in the first place.
Sep 04 21:13:24 <stephg> I was thinking about that:- they build from exactly this repo?
Sep 04 21:13:45 <Stskeeps> well, we are supposed to, but it seems like there was a holiday related screwup
Sep 04 21:13:59 <stephg> 20100817 builds and the packages are still there
Sep 04 21:14:06 <Stskeeps> yeah
Sep 04 21:14:16 <stephg> 20100824 built and then sometime after the packages go awol
Sep 04 21:14:18 <Stskeeps> guess when vacation started.. :)
Sep 04 21:14:35 <stephg> but the *real* oddness is that 20100831 built and again the packages have now gone awol
Sep 04 21:14:35 <stephg> hehe
Sep 04 21:15:00 <stephg> wonder if something was added/changed to the build process that deletes something it shouldn't do
Sep 04 21:15:09 <Stskeeps> another thing i'm slightly worried about
Sep 04 21:15:09 <Stskeeps> :P
Sep 04 21:15:22 <stephg> heh
Sep 04 21:15:45 <stephg> unless it was manual action and only happened recently
Sep 04 21:20:24 <stephg> anyway is bed time; greatly appreciate the help. Laters
Sep 04 22:44:08 <TSCHAKeee2> evening. ;)
Sep 04 22:47:21 <CosmoHill> wow, guy who made KDE used COCOMO
Sep 04 22:49:11 <CosmoHill> http://stats.black-flag.co.uk/index.php?disp=dynamic :D
Sep 04 22:51:14 <esmirlin> hello! anyone knows how to became a translator for meego?
Sep 04 22:52:15 <CosmoHill> speak to Dawn Foster
Sep 04 22:54:30 * TSCHAKeee2 grabs the latest weekly
Sep 04 22:54:58 <CosmoHill> 20 days until my server hits 300 days uptime
Sep 04 22:55:13 <CosmoHill> 16 days until I start uni
Sep 04 22:56:36 <CosmoHill> crap that's not long at all
Sep 04 23:01:58 <esmirlin> join(ubuntu-es
Sep 04 23:02:06 <CosmoHill> fail
Sep 04 23:02:15 <esmirlin> sorry
Sep 04 23:02:17 <esmirlin> :P
Sep 04 23:02:24 <CosmoHill> anyone in here heard of Wayland?
Sep 04 23:05:35 <lcuk> x11 server asskicking!
Sep 04 23:06:11 <CosmoHill> :)
Sep 04 23:06:34 <lcuk> we were discussing it amongst other optimisations in #maemo earlier
Sep 04 23:06:49 <lcuk> or rather, it was brought up in the discussion
Sep 04 23:08:02 <npm> so i just installed meego on my son's netbook (replacing moblin)... where did openoffice go?? and openjdk??
Sep 04 23:08:32 <CosmoHill> hey npm
Sep 04 23:08:41 <npm> (already installed sun's jdk, do i need to DL OOo from openoffice.org?)
Sep 04 23:08:49 <npm> hi CosmoHill
Sep 04 23:09:01 <CosmoHill> someone installed open office using the Fedora RPM on meego
Sep 04 23:09:27 <lcuk> npm, dawnfoster mentioned she got OOs direct from the fedora repos, but I would think if there was already a moblin build somewhere that would be better suited already
Sep 04 23:09:46 <lcuk> do the moblin repos still exist?
Sep 04 23:10:28 <CosmoHill> should moblin users upgrade to meego?
Sep 04 23:10:59 <npm> but that could get confusing , adding fedora updates to yum.repos (or is this install direct from http://koji.fedoraproject.org/ from web browser)
Sep 04 23:11:03 <lcuk> thats not whats asked
Sep 04 23:11:49 <lcuk> CosmoHill, for some situations in maemo, its possible to try installing apps and libraries which were built for the previous version of the OS
Sep 04 23:11:50 <npm> i already had a little fun adding planetccrma's repo ( http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/ ) but it didn't work quite as expected
Sep 04 23:12:10 <lcuk> i am just thinking out loud tho :P
Sep 04 23:13:25 <TSCHAKeee2> i install openoffice using the fedora rpms.
Sep 04 23:13:53 <npm> ok, i'll try that. you just "rpm  -ivh" directly right?
Sep 04 23:14:05 <npm> or do you mean adding fedora to your yum repos
Sep 04 23:14:33 <npm> and i assume you pull from fedora13 repo?
Sep 04 23:14:34 <TSCHAKeee2> rpm -ivh the desktop support packages, after running the openoffice installer
Sep 04 23:14:43 <TSCHAKeee2> there is a rpm's folder
Sep 04 23:15:03 * CosmoHill is watching Take the Lead :)
Sep 04 23:15:06 <TSCHAKeee2> in the installer package, that has a fedora 13 rpm to provide the desktop files
Sep 04 23:15:13 <TSCHAKeee2> works just fine
Sep 04 23:15:31 <TSCHAKeee2> would be nice if they put oo in the garage though
Sep 04 23:15:35 <TSCHAKeee2> wth
Sep 04 23:15:37 <TSCHAKeee2> :P
Sep 04 23:17:00 <npm> oh i see. so just grab a compat rpm directly from http://download.services.openoffice.org/files/stable/3.2.1/ not from redhat/fedora repos or koji
Sep 04 23:18:04 <npm> alternately, what about koffice? seems like that would get some support from the maemo end of things...
Sep 04 23:19:47 <npm> seems like a major "hole" in the distro ... wonder if oracle did something funky or it's just the usual corporate warfare....
Sep 04 23:21:04 <ScottishDuck> Oracle + Open Source = segfault
Sep 04 23:25:15 <npm> ok downloading... thanks for the advice...
Sep 04 23:26:11 <npm> othet than no OOo meego looks very nice and it's quite snappy on his netbook
Sep 04 23:30:14 <CosmoHill> doesn't koffice require kde?
Sep 04 23:52:56 <CosmoHill> my head phones are making a hiss but it seems to be made by the amp
Sep 04 23:53:00 <CosmoHill> or maybe the source
Sep 05 00:24:51 <CosmoHill>  5675 apache    30  10  6236 2164  852 R 99.9  0.3  13:36.13 perl
Sep 05 00:24:53 <CosmoHill> any ideas?
Sep 05 00:25:20 <ShadowJK> web server run amok?
Sep 05 00:25:39 <CosmoHill> amok?
Sep 05 00:25:50 <ShadowJK> crazy
Sep 05 00:25:56 <CosmoHill> ah
Sep 05 00:25:56 <CosmoHill> yes
Sep 05 00:26:04 <CosmoHill>  5671 apache    30  10     0    0    0 Z  0.0  0.0   0:00.01 rm <defunct>
Sep 05 00:26:07 <CosmoHill> well that's worrying
Sep 05 00:28:54 <CosmoHill> killed perl with signal 9
Sep 05 00:29:03 <CosmoHill> I wonder if it was to do with the wordpress upgrades I did today
Sep 05 00:29:10 <ShadowJK> probably.
Sep 05 00:31:05 <CosmoHill>  01:28:09 up 280 days,  1:58,  2 users,  load average: 0.70, 0.85, 0.68
Sep 05 00:31:39 <CosmoHill> 100% load almost doubles the power useage
Sep 05 00:38:01 <CosmoHill> one thing I learnt was when that happens, don't restart apache
Sep 05 00:38:15 <CosmoHill> last time I did that I couldn't start it again
Sep 05 00:41:32 <ShadowJK> load average looks ok-
Sep 05 00:41:53 <CosmoHill> they'll settle down to bugger all
Sep 05 00:42:04 <CosmoHill> the fact it's up to 0.68 means it's not been running for to long
Sep 05 00:47:56 <CosmoHill> concidering I've compiled and configured all the software on that server it's doing very well
Sep 05 01:15:21 <CosmoHill> cyas
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