**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 05 02:59:58 2010 Sep 05 04:22:42 why doesnt meego provide torrents for its sdk and images? Sep 05 04:24:11 the chrome image can't be distributed that way Sep 05 04:24:29 it's being worked on too, perhaps in the future this will be an option Sep 05 04:24:59 cause i just lost my sdk d/l at 75% :/ Sep 05 04:25:10 wget can continue a download Sep 05 04:25:19 wget -c or -C I think Sep 05 04:25:30 ok Sep 05 04:25:46 -c Sep 05 04:26:07 wget -c url Sep 05 04:26:30 ithink its wget -nc url Sep 05 04:26:54 no, -nc is something else Sep 05 04:27:04 -c, --continue resume getting a partially-downloaded file. Sep 05 04:27:11 it does say no clobber where clobber = file being over-written Sep 05 04:27:30 -nc does not imply -c Sep 05 04:30:09 yea Sep 05 04:30:12 ok Sep 05 05:48:10 hi Sep 05 05:48:22 how acan i isntall meego? Sep 05 05:48:41 how can I install MeeGo? Sep 05 05:50:21 lolloo: usb stick or cdrom Sep 05 05:50:32 follow the download links and you'll see instructions Sep 05 05:54:52 awesome Sep 05 05:54:59 so its released? Sep 05 05:55:02 full? Sep 05 05:55:28 but where is the site? Sep 05 05:55:39 http://meego.com/ Sep 05 05:57:00 IMEI wooot? Sep 05 05:57:13 do i have to? Sep 05 05:57:34 -.- Sep 05 05:57:49 whats it going to do? Sep 05 06:07:59 guys how do i install meego? Sep 05 06:09:31 btw is meego full version or still beta? Sep 05 06:09:34 hello? Sep 05 06:11:22 is MeeGo full version or still Beta? Sep 05 06:13:53 is MeeGo full version or still Beta? Sep 05 06:14:15 lolloo: why do you think you will get a better answer just because you repeat yourself every two minutes? Sep 05 06:14:27 sorry Sep 05 06:14:43 just curious Sep 05 06:14:51 s/just/too/ Sep 05 06:14:52 i want to install it Sep 05 06:15:00 and i like it Sep 05 06:15:02 then just do that. Sep 05 06:15:06 is it full? Sep 05 06:15:15 full version? Sep 05 06:15:21 there is no answer to that. Sep 05 06:15:34 it's a work in progress. Sep 05 06:15:41 alright Sep 05 06:15:56 can I use multiboot with it: Sep 05 06:16:00 ? Sep 05 06:16:19 yes you can Sep 05 06:16:29 wow awesome Sep 05 06:16:51 is there a link for steps with multiboot? Sep 05 06:16:55 please? Sep 05 06:17:22 you will be prompted for multiboot whn u are installing meego Sep 05 06:17:36 OMG Sep 05 06:17:39 awesome Sep 05 06:17:57 can you provide me with the link for steps please? Sep 05 06:19:16 it's all there on meego.com Sep 05 06:19:37 is it on meego wiki? Sep 05 06:29:10 Hi All Sep 05 06:29:42 hi Sep 05 06:30:16 Hi Stskeeps Sep 05 06:45:08 Morning, all Sep 05 06:45:26 morn jaffa Sep 05 06:46:13 Stskeeps: Haven't forgottwn bug raising, just need to get an hour to reload MeeGo kernel and write down steps to reproduce Sep 05 06:46:56 k Sep 05 06:47:07 Talking of kernels, NITdroid flashes based on bootmenu selection - can that be done for MeeGo. Or, even better, can flasher on Maemo load the kernel for next boot? Sep 05 06:47:29 Or does flasher -l -k only work pre-boot Sep 05 06:47:32 ? Sep 05 06:47:50 ali1234 has made a u-boot implementation for n900 Sep 05 06:47:58 we'll probably go for that instead, less hacky Sep 05 06:48:16 Ah, cool Sep 05 06:48:40 means it would fall back to normal maemo kernel unless it found a kernel on sd Sep 05 06:49:54 Stskeeps: Does that mean the card would need removing to boot into Maemo? Sep 05 06:50:08 right, but we are also looking into a bootmenu Sep 05 06:50:14 u-boot can draw stuff to framebuffer so Sep 05 06:50:59 * Jaffa sees. Sep 05 06:51:46 Hopefully you won't be spending time reinventing the various bootmenus which already exist, though (rather than working on MeeGo itself ;-)) Sep 05 06:52:09 i did look at multiboot but it has the main problem of relying on ubifs and NAND tricks Sep 05 06:52:27 we boot straight to sd, so Sep 05 06:52:37 they boot to nand first, then chroot Sep 05 06:53:00 Really? How... odd. Sep 05 06:53:40 BTW, the mention of call & data - is that going to be in next weekly drop? Sep 05 07:02:23 i now have the keyboard working too Sep 05 07:03:42 actually nearly all this stuff was already in u-boot, i just had to configure it and make a few tweaks Sep 05 07:05:04 I hope it will support multi-boot with maemo and NITdroid Sep 05 07:28:37 Jaffa: we need to have permission since we're in feature freeze. but if you build own images (current closed repo broken) there's a page with urls Sep 05 07:28:40 data isn't working yet Sep 05 07:29:51 ok quick question: why is so much screen space used just to advertise "Meego" on the taskbar Sep 05 07:30:10 i mean i know which os im using Sep 05 07:35:05 theplic: but we want people looking over your shoulders to know too :-) Sep 05 07:35:22 thiago_home: :) Sep 05 07:35:40 but it hinders the ability to add more quick access buttons Sep 05 07:38:40 not to mention why the option to change the wallpaper if i cant be on the desktop anyway Sep 05 08:10:02 Stskeeps: multiboot? Sep 05 08:10:11 Stskeeps: by the installer? Sep 05 08:59:29 Has anyone heard any even vague rumors regarding the Kindle reader app coming to Meego? Sep 05 08:59:41 (or not) Sep 05 09:00:06 no, but that would be nce Sep 05 09:00:07 nice Sep 05 09:00:21 * thiago_home would agree Sep 05 09:00:41 don't see how that would work, meego isn't trusted computing, so how would the DRM work? Sep 05 09:01:02 Is Android any different in this respect? Sep 05 09:02:00 btw, I can run ebooks.com's DRM ebook reader just fine under Wine (they even suggest it?!) Sep 05 09:02:01 yeah, there at least the manufacturers seem to want to implement signed boot loaders etc Sep 05 09:03:45 Personally I'd happily skip it, DRM and all, but I'm trying to convince my wife to go Meego with her next device... and she wants the Kindle reader :/ Sep 05 09:05:27 I'm a N900 owner so I just joined this channel because it seems maemo is being abandonded... and from the videos and screenshots I've seen so far, Meego seems to have nowhere the polished look of Android/iOS/Maemo, is this been worked on? Sep 05 09:06:38 It's funny, I've seen a bunch of videos where it looks really plain and grey, and a couple where it looks almost black, but very slick and shiny Sep 05 09:06:42 SwedeMike: you know that there is no official release of MeeGo for handsets yet, right? Sep 05 09:06:45 (on the netbook version) Sep 05 09:06:53 SwedeMike: which means that anything you may have seen is pre-release software? Sep 05 09:07:05 SwedeMike: you also know that no one does sucky UIs intentionally? Sep 05 09:08:18 SwedeMike: Have you seen this vid yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqeeQd-YNL0 Sep 05 09:08:23 thiago_home: errr, have you looked at a classical Ericsson phone? they seem to do it intentionally. Sep 05 09:09:14 thiago_home: at 2:13 for instance, that doesn't look polished at all to me Sep 05 09:09:22 PS That vid ^^^ is almost 3 months old... who knows what's happened since then... Sep 05 09:09:36 it looks like something Ericsson would do in 2005 long before the iPhone was released... Sep 05 09:10:00 or Symbian still was last I looked... or windows mobile 6 Sep 05 09:10:35 that vid was also pre-pre-alpha Sep 05 09:10:45 so, no, it's not polished at all Sep 05 09:10:56 polishing is one of the last things that happens... Sep 05 09:11:14 SwedeMike, I believe this is a matter of taste Sep 05 09:11:17 and themes Sep 05 09:11:32 think about it: when do you polish furniture? When you're done building it, or when the glue isn't dry yet? Sep 05 09:12:02 thiago_home: like you do software security as an afterthought? I mean, the last you do when you build a house is to put in a door with a lock? I don't buy it. Sep 05 09:12:12 I believe you can rest assured Meego will look at least as shiny as Maemo in the end Sep 05 09:12:30 you make a polished look when you DESIGN the thing, then you might implement it last, but where is the design? Sep 05 09:12:43 and then you can choose a theme with pink and yellow and all these "colors" Sep 05 09:12:44 :p Sep 05 09:13:08 I'm not talking colours. Sep 05 09:13:27 well, we'll see when it's released I guess. Sep 05 09:13:27 SwedeMike: no, not like that Sep 05 09:13:42 SwedeMike: but you have heard of premature optimisation, right? Sep 05 09:13:54 SwedeMike: it's the same thing with polishing. You polish when the app's functionality is done. Sep 05 09:14:44 thiago_home: I guess that's why things look like they do in a lot of devices. So again, I don't think that's the right way to go. Sep 05 09:14:59 then you end up with a non-polished look because of the 90/90 factor. Sep 05 09:15:01 we'll have to agree to disagree Sep 05 09:15:09 polishing isn't done until the apps work Sep 05 09:15:18 90/10 rule I guess it's called. Sep 05 09:15:28 polishing is part of the 90. It's easy to do. Sep 05 09:15:50 so then you end up with not polishing because you've run out of time and underestimated the polishing work, and now you have to release because "it works" and you don't really care about look Sep 05 09:16:11 that's a danger, yes Sep 05 09:16:19 or, the alternative, is that you postpone until you're done Sep 05 09:16:39 personally, I prefer working and plain than polished and useless Sep 05 09:16:43 well, I guess we'll what happens in the end. Sep 05 09:16:47 we'll see Sep 05 09:16:49 I prefer working and polished, of course Sep 05 09:17:31 I think Apple (and nokia with Maemo5 on N900) did the correct optimization, screw some of the "necessary" features (like MMS) and look at what people actually use the phone for. Sep 05 09:17:44 More recent vid (if you speak German) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILfUHv0mTlc Sep 05 09:17:52 only thing nokia didn't get right was the USSD, that it took so long to get it. Sep 05 09:18:02 USSD? Sep 05 09:18:12 *23*5324535345435# Sep 05 09:18:22 to refill prepaid phone cards etc Sep 05 09:19:17 * thiago_home didn't get it Sep 05 09:19:25 SwedeMike: do keep in mind meego.com is a platform, not a product sold by nokia Sep 05 09:19:38 Stskeeps: yes? What's your point? Sep 05 09:20:07 that said, things do have to look good from both technical and basic looks (lickable UIs sell, so that'd be vendors doing that..) Sep 05 09:20:15 yep Sep 05 09:20:22 SwedeMike: polishing has to be done, we all agree Sep 05 09:20:31 we just disagree on the "when" Sep 05 09:20:35 and let's hope it doesn't fragment like android seems to be doing. Sep 05 09:20:43 SwedeMike: yeah.. Sep 05 09:20:50 re-inventing the wheel is inefficient. Sep 05 09:21:01 SwedeMike: the meego handset UX is quite flexible in terms of making differentiation UIs without breaking apps, to my knowledge Sep 05 09:21:09 repeating the mistakes too Sep 05 09:21:25 we're being very careful with forward compatibility and ensuring a unique platform Sep 05 09:22:13 thiago_home: I always get scared when people say unique: Sep 05 09:22:30 lol Sep 05 09:22:39 sorry, that's not what I meant Sep 05 09:22:51 "Interesting","Unusual" and "Unique". The three death words... Sep 05 09:22:57 I meant that the platform is unified, no fragmentation Sep 05 09:22:59 oh, and "Different" Sep 05 09:27:36 read about that some car manufacturers was trying to standardize on Meego when it came to in-car entertainment systems, that'd be nice as well... but I think to fully achieve the potential there manufacturers need to standardize on physical interaction with the car as well Sep 05 09:28:03 would be awesome if there basically was a standard form factor and connectors to connect to the rest of the car so the system could be changed every 3-5 years. Sep 05 09:30:44 yes, the Genivi alliance chose MeeGo Sep 05 09:31:51 I think car manufacturers expect you to change cars every 3 years... Sep 05 09:33:21 SwedeMike: well, CANBUS and OBD(2) kind of point towards that Sep 05 09:34:32 thiago_home: yeah, that's their dream... it's also their dream that we fork out 3kEUR for a navigation device. Sep 05 09:34:49 when I can buy one in town for 100-200EUR Sep 05 09:35:55 SwedeMike: no it's their dream that they can upsell you the software option of navigation for 3k, the hardware being in place anyway ;) Sep 05 09:36:24 dm8tbr: right. Sep 05 09:36:26 well, both are going to die when your phone is able to do the same thing, right ? :) Sep 05 09:36:28 you can just use your Nokia phone too :-) Sep 05 09:36:48 thiago_home: heh :) Sep 05 09:36:59 well, five year old car navigation is still better than the 1 year old phone. Sep 05 09:37:24 phone is moving faster, having a shorter life-cycle and all Sep 05 09:37:31 absolutely. Sep 05 09:37:36 maybe they'll make the phone navigation integrate with the car :) Sep 05 09:37:54 the N95 navigation was atrocious Sep 05 09:37:55 sandst1: exactly. standard interface so I can control things via bluetooth or something... Sep 05 09:37:59 took 10 minutes to lock on Sep 05 09:38:07 also the car navigation has significant sensoric advantages Sep 05 09:38:08 on the N97 it was much better, if only laggy Sep 05 09:38:16 on recent phones, it's very good Sep 05 09:38:16 sandst1: that's the cool thing about meego, actually - imagine you just remote-display the thing :) Sep 05 09:38:31 yes, my car navigation knows when the car is rolling and compass direction, so even in tunnels it does the right thing Sep 05 09:38:42 it can tap into the odometer and the speeds reported by individual tires to correlate position Sep 05 09:38:55 achipa: or better yet, be able to sync stuff - like plan your route on the phone, at home, and then plug in the car and presto, it knows where you want to go Sep 05 09:39:05 writing to myself again, time for coffee Sep 05 09:39:13 achipa: android already does that, afaik Sep 05 09:39:37 SwedeMike: I mean, communicate that *to the car* Sep 05 09:40:07 achipa: well, if you use your phone for navigation then it's the same thing. Sep 05 09:40:27 no if you've got a KITT as the car Sep 05 09:40:42 GPS speed measurement is more reliable than the odometre Sep 05 09:42:29 thiago_home: do you have some source to back this up. I'd be interested to read it. Sep 05 09:42:37 thiago_home: you sure about that ? sure, averaged out, over large distances, yes, but given any moment ? GPS accuracy can vary wildly, it's only the statistical functions that make it OK on a micro scale Sep 05 09:42:53 i wonder what's the current condition of the GPS network currently, haven't heard much of this since last year: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/5352183/Sat-nav-system-could-break-down-within-a-year.html Sep 05 09:43:26 also most GPS only report 1PPS Sep 05 09:43:34 sandst1: that's a fundraiser call, government style Sep 05 09:43:52 hmm maybe the binary modes provide higher resolution, I tend to forget Sep 05 09:45:01 thiago_home: GPS works bad in tunnels. Sep 05 09:45:12 dm8tbr: it's not the question how often the module can tell you the location - it's about receiving the raw data Sep 05 09:45:20 thiago_home: so it's better to have a device that does GPS+others, than to just have GPS Sep 05 09:45:27 achipa: good point. *need more coffee* Sep 05 09:45:52 sandst1: you don't prefer KARR? Sep 05 09:45:55 SwedeMike: true Sep 05 09:45:59 dm8tbr: you can have 1000PPS but if it's just interpolation, it ain't worth much Sep 05 09:46:14 indeed Sep 05 09:46:50 also the tunnel problem remains Sep 05 09:47:03 there are plenty of tunnels with branches and exits Sep 05 09:47:22 dm8tbr: why should that be a problem? Sep 05 09:47:23 so odometer+compass+AGPS+GPS is really the way to go. Sep 05 09:47:31 the car should have a speedometer Sep 05 09:47:34 and a compass Sep 05 09:47:45 speed + direction = velocity Sep 05 09:47:47 timeless_mbp: KARR is evil. that'd be like preferring T-1000 ^^ Sep 05 09:48:02 Location 0 + Velocity (0-1) = Location 1 Sep 05 09:48:03 timeless_mbp: if your gps stops sending data then the navigation has no idea if you just passed the exit or if it's still 200m ahead of you Sep 05 09:48:28 dm8tbr: you don't need gps once you have a location if you have working instruments Sep 05 09:48:36 basic physics Sep 05 09:48:42 timeless_mbp: that's what we're talking about Sep 05 09:48:48 inertial navigation is fun :) Sep 05 09:48:50 timeless_mbp: a phone does not have them Sep 05 09:48:58 dm8tbr: actually, they do Sep 05 09:49:07 they have accelerometer + compass Sep 05 09:49:08 * thiago_home votes for INS Sep 05 09:49:13 at least the more modern ones do Sep 05 09:49:25 that they fail to usefully integrate those components is well Sep 05 09:49:33 timeless_mbp: those that I saw were horrible Sep 05 09:49:38 … typical failure to integrate :) Sep 05 09:49:41 timeless_mbp: with notable exceptions, where reference frames can make things tricky Sep 05 09:49:44 apple will get it right in a few years Sep 05 09:49:47 I'm spectial if that's as accurate as the stuff in the cars. and cheap accelerometer isn't good enough to do inertial navigation with Sep 05 09:49:52 but I guess that's rare enough not to be considered Sep 05 09:50:18 SwedeMike: it's probably not sensitive enough Sep 05 09:50:25 sceptical I mean Sep 05 09:50:26 but it's probably enough for navigating through a tunnel Sep 05 09:50:55 sandst1: nah, just the first t101 instead of the second 2 :) Sep 05 09:51:06 SwedeMike: the more inputs you have, the better your chances to figure out what's going on Sep 05 09:51:37 (if you have enough CPU power to process it in real time, of course :) Sep 05 09:58:46 and nobody mentioned the funniest nav-confusor, the ship/traject things. Some recognise it but others simply refuse to believe you're on water :) Sep 05 09:59:21 s/recognise/recognize/ Sep 05 09:59:21 achipa meant: and nobody mentioned the funniest nav-confusor, the ship/traject things. Some recognize it but others simply refuse to believe you're on water :) Sep 05 10:05:20 morning Sep 05 10:20:40 morning CosmoHill Sep 05 10:20:49 hi Sep 05 11:19:08 hi can only qt based apps run on meego? Sep 05 11:19:18 no, it runs gtk too Sep 05 11:19:26 or motif Sep 05 11:19:27 :P Sep 05 11:19:43 oh Sep 05 11:19:45 cool Sep 05 11:22:18 what about python? Sep 05 11:22:23 can i run python apps? Sep 05 11:22:37 pythons' there but no pyqt or pyside yet Sep 05 11:22:44 oh Sep 05 11:22:52 pyqt wud have been cool Sep 05 11:22:59 agreed Sep 05 11:23:26 and is there a way to default to the desktop and not to the home tab screen? Sep 05 11:24:30 no idea sorry Sep 05 11:24:36 ok Sep 05 11:31:06 is it just me or are 16:10 monitors becoming harder to find? Sep 05 11:49:07 what are 16:10, I know 1920x1200 are pixie dust now, most unhappy, bloody HD Sep 05 11:51:46 get this 1080p monitor! I don't want one! I want to be able to read two A4 pages side by side without having to scroll a little bit Sep 05 11:53:15 Petition to pressure Kevin Rose to eat uncured pork bacon live on streaming video and drink COLD BEER with it. Have him prove that simple greed and or incompetence was the reason behind Digg 4.0 and its selling out and not something else, if you get my drift! Sep 05 11:53:17 Sign the petition here: Sep 05 11:53:21 http://www.petitiononline.com/krbacon/petition.html Sep 05 11:53:31 go away Sep 05 11:56:42 just done another search to find out the state of larger than 1080, my fav brand still does not do 24" bigger than 1080p(athetic) to replace a model they had 18months ago Sep 05 11:57:29 my dell monitor is 1680x1050 (16:10) which is good for work Sep 05 11:57:47 but it annoys the hell out of me that I can't have 16:9 on composite and s-video input Sep 05 11:58:11 "state of larger than 1080" ? Sep 05 11:58:25 * kirma has been using 2560x1600 displays for years Sep 05 11:58:47 whats the made/model ? Sep 05 11:59:02 well, indeed, my displays haven't had any other input than dual-link dvi Sep 05 11:59:14 * SwedeMike has been wanting a 20-24" 2560x1600 for a long time, doesn't seem to be happening though. Sep 05 11:59:16 HP LP3065 now Sep 05 12:00:10 30" is just too big physically. Sep 05 12:00:23 hmm 30" :( 19" did 1600x1200 no problem, so why is 1920x1080 now 26" (when it was 24") Sep 05 12:00:29 I've sat in front of a 27" iMac Sep 05 12:00:45 if I used that for a while I'd end up with a stiff neck Sep 05 12:01:08 you shouldn't have to move your head to look at things at eaither end of the monitor Sep 05 12:01:17 opps typo 1920x1200 Sep 05 12:02:37 you don't have to use all the space of the monitor :) just pick a bit and make your window small enough so you dont have to move your head Sep 05 12:13:03 what brand monitors do you have? Sep 05 12:15:41 iiyama Sep 05 12:17:42 I was looking at them, couldn't find a 16:10 Sep 05 12:20:59 I think one of my problems is the current use of my monitor Sep 05 12:21:20 VGA, DVI, composite and S-Video are all used Sep 05 12:22:00 I could move to VGA, DVI and HDMI but I'd need to replace my DVD player and skybox Sep 05 12:31:59 I have one Dell and one LG Sep 05 12:39:46 http://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showthread.php?t=49362 Sep 05 12:41:22 oh my that was a big crash on iITV4 Sep 05 13:04:19 /away out Sep 05 13:08:36 hi Sep 05 13:08:56 hey Sep 05 13:09:19 does anyone of you know, if meego fully supports the acer aspire one? Sep 05 13:09:37 hey cosmahill Sep 05 13:09:41 hey cosmohill Sep 05 13:10:02 iirc the apsire family has been going on for many years Sep 05 13:10:16 there is a list of supported devices on meego.com Sep 05 13:10:34 my one wasnt listed on this page Sep 05 13:10:49 what processor do you have? Sep 05 13:10:56 but it should work, it is a standard-netbook Sep 05 13:11:04 atom n2?0 Sep 05 13:11:08 processor? Sep 05 13:11:15 270 perhaps? Sep 05 13:11:17 *graphics card Sep 05 13:11:22 hi Sep 05 13:11:24 the normal intel thing Sep 05 13:11:33 gma 9something Sep 05 13:11:37 an good Sep 05 13:11:57 you can boot meego off a memory stick so give that a go Sep 05 13:12:00 what about support for 3g modems ? mine is not detected Sep 05 13:12:13 ultimately that's the only way to find out if meego works on your computer Sep 05 13:12:28 lordheavy: no idea about that, no one has mentioned that so far Sep 05 13:13:07 it seem the connextion manager doesn't handle them Sep 05 13:13:45 support for 3G USB modems might not be implemented yet Sep 05 13:14:32 i will install it 10 minutes to go Sep 05 13:15:06 does anyone know if there is virtualbox package in the meego repositories Sep 05 13:15:18 nope Sep 05 13:15:25 i want to virtualize win 98 and win xp Sep 05 13:15:28 ah ok Sep 05 13:15:45 then i have to setup a dualboot system Sep 05 13:15:57 I must admit I'd never even thought about running VM software on a netbook Sep 05 13:15:57 thank you very much Sep 05 13:16:54 i also never thought about it, but me and my friends are playing some old games once in a while, so it would be useful Sep 05 13:18:15 i tried some opersting systems on my netbook, but none satisfied me Sep 05 13:19:07 can virtualbox run windows 98? Sep 05 13:19:11 ah is someone here, who belongs to the meego development team? Sep 05 13:19:30 it is possible, but it is a pain in the ass Sep 05 13:19:42 vmware is much better for win 98 Sep 05 13:19:45 I got 98 running on QEMU Sep 05 13:19:55 i never tried qemu Sep 05 13:21:27 there is a broken link in the meego wiki Sep 05 13:21:58 link me Sep 05 13:22:13 http://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/0.2/0.2/+download/win32diskimager-RELEASE-0.2-r23-win32.zip Sep 05 13:22:19 doesnt work anymore Sep 05 13:22:23 wrong link? Sep 05 13:22:28 can you link me to the wiki page? Sep 05 13:22:32 si Sep 05 13:22:42 http://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook Sep 05 13:22:49 und er windows instructions Sep 05 13:22:55 under windows instructions Sep 05 13:23:05 link 1? Sep 05 13:23:11 s/link/step/ Sep 05 13:23:11 CosmoHill meant: step 1? Sep 05 13:23:28 link works for me Sep 05 13:23:44 ah strange Sep 05 13:23:50 it happens Sep 05 13:24:03 few people can't download from meego but can download from my server Sep 05 13:24:12 ah now it also works on my computer Sep 05 13:25:37 anyone else watching the BTCC? Sep 05 13:26:42 no Sep 05 13:27:12 watching the marshals is funny Sep 05 13:27:25 they've towed one car backwards into a barrier Sep 05 13:27:47 and almost got another car beached on a flatbed Sep 05 13:28:11 i am not interested in motor sports Sep 05 13:28:25 a few years ago i watched formula 1 Sep 05 13:28:40 but since schumacher left, i wasnt really interested anymore Sep 05 13:28:48 think guy speed bumper cars :) Sep 05 13:28:52 high* Sep 05 13:36:31 how much space shall i give meego? Sep 05 13:36:57 how much spare do you have? Sep 05 13:37:06 i have 100 gb Sep 05 13:37:12 5 ~ 10GB? Sep 05 13:37:17 ah cool Sep 05 13:38:02 which file system? Sep 05 13:38:39 ext3 or btrfs? Sep 05 13:39:44 latter Sep 05 13:40:26 gracias Sep 05 13:47:59 hmm, i thought you could deply a img on a usb using Disk Utility on mac Sep 05 13:48:39 seems to work flawlessly Sep 05 13:51:20 but my cpu fan is constantly blowing Sep 05 13:52:00 check your load? Sep 05 14:25:56 .. Sep 05 14:31:56 Is it possible to boot MeeGo from the internal eMMC on the N900 instead of using a MicroSD? Sep 05 14:33:43 /dev/mmcblk0 would be a MicroSD (which is not inserted), so I thought that /dev/mmcblk1 might be the eMMC Sep 05 14:34:37 But this did not work, the kernel could not find the partition Sep 05 14:34:45 juliank: yes, but you will have to destroy your emmc partition which isn't fun Sep 05 14:35:16 Stskeeps: I put the rootfs into /home (which has enough free space). Sep 05 14:35:33 (and it's ext3 just like the normal root) Sep 05 14:35:34 juliank: hmm, it should detect it if microsd isn't there Sep 05 14:35:40 mmcblk0p1 is /home right? Sep 05 14:35:49 juliank: how did you copy it? Sep 05 14:36:05 Stskeeps: mount on the computer, and rsync to the N900. Sep 05 14:36:11 k Sep 05 14:36:29 should work.. Sep 05 14:36:50 it should find mmcblk0p1 without issue by default Sep 05 14:36:56 if the microsd isn't there Sep 05 14:37:39 Stskeeps: In Maemo, mmcblk0p2 is /home. But running flasher-3.5 with -b"root=/dev/mmcblk0p2" did not work (and mmcblk1p2 did not either) Sep 05 14:39:42 juliank: add 'rootwait' Sep 05 14:40:01 grep CONFIG_CMDLINE /boot/config* to see the whole line you should use Sep 05 14:41:33 does meego use grub? Sep 05 14:42:38 magerquark: usually asking does meego on