**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 07 02:59:57 2010 Sep 07 03:15:05 Hi there, could anyone tell me how do i run my own app inside QEMU? Sep 07 05:19:10 what version of git comes with meego? Sep 07 05:19:15 seems old... Sep 07 05:19:37 hmm... 1.6.1 Sep 07 05:19:58 my ubuntu box has 1.7.1 Sep 07 06:29:24 Morning all Sep 07 06:32:48 morning Sep 07 06:39:30 Hi One quick question for MTF TapAndHold gesture Sep 07 06:40:47 Is that changed during the recent days? I mean, before , it need 500ms or so to triger a tap and hold gesture. now, just a click will lead to it Sep 07 06:41:57 if just a click leads to tap-and-hold, it must be a bug Sep 07 06:44:01 hmm, will take a look on the diff.... Sep 07 06:47:39 or the usage model have been changed? it seems to me it remove the default timeout value (which is 500) need user to set it when using it? Sep 07 06:48:16 I don't think that makes sense Sep 07 06:57:19 OK, I found the reason. it move the default timeout value into the style file. the value need to be defined in the style css file. or it will be 0. And I havn't update the latest theme package. But It really should have a reasonable default value been set Sep 07 07:01:03 submit a patch Sep 07 07:03:39 X-Fade: ping... Sep 07 07:04:17 lbt2: he's in a conversation, should i pass something on? Sep 07 07:04:37 I'm just after the meeting room for later Sep 07 07:04:58 E227 Sep 07 07:05:14 cheers ... Sep 07 07:05:43 Eric... are you around ? Sep 07 07:06:07 lbt2: or C325.. if you have a nokian around, check the reservation Sep 07 07:06:30 I shall ask my pet nokian... Sep 07 07:06:48 thiago_home: I always forget which linux distribution you use, I am sorry for my memory. Sep 07 07:07:12 djszapi: probably because I don't tell people Sep 07 07:07:16 why do you want to know? Sep 07 07:07:49 I am just interested in that. Sep 07 07:08:00 Mandriva Sep 07 07:08:02 what a real Qt hacker uses. Sep 07 07:08:11 a real Qt hacker uses anything Sep 07 07:08:13 so why ask thiago_home? Sep 07 07:08:40 most used is OpenSUSE (standardised in the Brisbane office) Sep 07 07:08:47 the Oslo office seems to prefer Kubuntu Sep 07 07:09:07 k Sep 07 07:09:12 other distros in-use are Fedora, ArchLinux Sep 07 07:09:24 any ubuntu without a K? :-) Sep 07 07:09:31 yes Sep 07 07:09:43 hehe Sep 07 07:09:58 one in Oslo that I can think of Sep 07 07:10:45 plus for Maemo5 scratchbox development, vanilla Ubuntu makes it painless :-) Sep 07 07:11:05 everyone dislikes scratchbox and avoids it as much as possible Sep 07 07:11:09 ^ Sep 07 07:11:23 perhaps I should have said "less painful" Sep 07 07:11:25 thiago_home: can I ask why ? Sep 07 07:11:31 not to me Sep 07 07:11:33 because it is a pain in the ass Sep 07 07:11:35 I don't use scratchbox Sep 07 07:11:44 I deployed my own toolchain. That was easier. Sep 07 07:11:50 w00t_: works like a charm Sep 07 07:12:08 I'm glad you enjoy it Sep 07 07:12:30 ty Sep 07 07:13:14 * thiago_home is the author of the internal QtWithoutScratchbox wiki page Sep 07 07:14:03 thiago_home: any chance it could be made external? I'd like to try give that a shot sometime :) Sep 07 07:14:20 no use Sep 07 07:14:28 it's about Harmattan development Sep 07 07:14:35 you need the harmattan sysroots Sep 07 07:14:38 we had a guy who was given a Kubuntu box on his first day, switched it back to Gnome, and quit after a couple of months Sep 07 07:15:20 w00t_: it might work for Fremantle development though... Sep 07 07:15:52 w00t_: it's a bunch of instructions to download from CodeSourcery, unpack the sysroot and fix it up so it can be used outside a chroot Sep 07 07:15:56 plus missing packages Sep 07 07:16:06 * w00t_ nods Sep 07 07:17:33 there's also no reason why it wouldn't work for MeeGo development either... Sep 07 07:19:08 OBS would be a better candidate there though, really, wouldn't it? Sep 07 07:20:45 I have no clue how OBS works Sep 07 07:21:00 thiago_home: just so you know, I'm trying to get an OBS builder for maemoX target and Qt is one hard nut to crack Sep 07 07:21:13 I want an environment where I run a native cross-compiler Sep 07 07:21:20 no emulation, no chroot Sep 07 07:21:28 that way, I can use the compile farm Sep 07 07:22:52 my idea of a compile farm would be a stack of MX-51 boards or something similar Sep 07 07:23:13 Bostik: what's the problem with Qt ? Sep 07 07:24:35 rohanpm: OBS runs arm builds inside a qemu-arm system emulation; to build any Qt software one needs naturally qmake, moc and friends; the binaries in maemoX -dev package are for i386, as the package is solely designed for scratchbox (or MADDE?) and those commands are executed on the host directly Sep 07 07:25:00 so one can't build a maemo OBS builder from maemo repository packages Sep 07 07:25:09 thiago_home: I don't have a lot of experience, but my understanding is that it effectively _is_ the build farm, you give it a source package, it gives you a binary package Sep 07 07:25:10 oh well Sep 07 07:25:46 Bostik: so, as opposed to scratchbox which uses a per-process transparent qemu thing, here the entire build process takes place in an ARM system? Sep 07 07:26:29 rohanpm: effectively yes; the build process could be executed on qemu, or it could be offloaded to native hardware Sep 07 07:26:30 w00t_: I don't have a source package Sep 07 07:26:36 w00t_: I have source code in Git, which I recompile often Sep 07 07:26:50 I don't need a full package. I just need to rebuild one library or two. Sep 07 07:51:43 anyone else have this nice feature when running meego-sdk in xephyr (and ubuntu) that every x minute the whole system goes to suspend mode? :P Sep 07 07:55:55 frals: no, which os u are using? Sep 07 07:56:29 ubuntu 10.04 Sep 07 07:57:30 Hi , one quick question on MSceneWindow or MOverlay. Two weeks ago, if I don't set the focus policy, it won't get focus by click. while it seems now it will. How can I disable this behavior? setFocusPolicy(Qt::NoFocus) seems does not help Sep 07 07:57:32 it's fun. I'm using ubuntu 9.04 and does not have that kind of fun Sep 07 07:57:44 i do not know which command you run Xephyr? Sep 07 09:55:03 hi guys, im trying to use gstreamer with qtcreator, if i include the headers the compile compains (id returned exit status 1) i have added -L/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10 -gstreamer into the makefile...any ideas, very new to all this so im a little lost as to the problem Sep 07 09:55:28 ld, not id Sep 07 09:55:43 that error also means "there was another error" Sep 07 09:55:51 please look further app and find the *first* error Sep 07 09:55:57 note the key words: first, error Sep 07 09:57:15 thiago: is your feedback for me? Sep 07 09:57:34 yes Sep 07 09:57:38 excellent thank you Sep 07 09:57:55 if i comment out the includes for gstreamer and glib its fine Sep 07 10:01:06 thiago: if i take out the linker settings i put in, i then get "undefined reference to `gst_init'" Sep 07 10:01:29 so im guessing i am doing something incorrect with the linking Sep 07 10:02:09 you're not linking to the library that provides gst_init Sep 07 10:02:54 which would be: L/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10 -gstreamer ? Sep 07 10:03:05 -lgstreamer rather Sep 07 10:03:22 probably not Sep 07 10:03:38 -lgstreamer-0.10 Sep 07 10:03:43 ahh right Sep 07 10:03:49 thank you i will try that Sep 07 10:05:07 same result as originally, the ld returned exist status message Sep 07 10:06:35 what's the first error message? Sep 07 10:07:20 there is only 1 error message Sep 07 10:07:35 I'm pretty sure there are more Sep 07 10:07:38 look at the compilation output Sep 07 10:07:46 :: error: collect2: ld returned 1 exit status Sep 07 10:07:48 no just the one Sep 07 10:07:58 there have to be more Sep 07 10:08:31 no just one, lots of warnings, which ive filtered off, leaving 1 error Sep 07 10:09:31 can you pastebin the output, please? Sep 07 10:10:42 excuse my ignorance - pastebin? Sep 07 10:10:58 ~pastebin Sep 07 10:10:59 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. Sep 07 10:11:08 oh right Sep 07 10:11:15 its only 3 lines anyway Sep 07 10:13:21 you said there were lots of warnings Sep 07 10:13:39 if that's 3 lines, and one of them is an error, that leaves 2 warnings only Sep 07 10:13:43 is that lots of warnings? Sep 07 10:13:51 is to me :) Sep 07 10:13:52 http://pastebin.com/Ha6SgJvr Sep 07 10:14:12 johnx: ooo Sep 07 10:14:28 I didn't know info bot could do those things Sep 07 10:14:34 is that the Compile output window? Sep 07 10:14:36 number 4? Sep 07 10:15:04 build issues that is Sep 07 10:15:12 no Sep 07 10:15:13 ill do the compile output one, one sec Sep 07 10:15:16 I meant the Compile output one... Sep 07 10:16:31 thiago: http://pastebin.com/fDgfFXJ0 Sep 07 10:16:54 ah, there we go: Sep 07 10:16:58 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lglib Sep 07 10:17:43 you wrote -lglib in your LIBS, but that library doesn't exit Sep 07 10:17:51 right got you Sep 07 10:17:53 either you didn't write it properly, or you forgot to install something Sep 07 10:18:02 i think it is possibly glib2.0 Sep 07 10:18:12 i have plenty to go on now tho - thank you very much for your time and help Sep 07 10:18:22 might be glib-2.0 Sep 07 10:18:37 ColKilkenny: it is, thank you :D Sep 07 10:20:06 chaps - all seems well now, thank you very much Sep 07 10:57:08 Meego doesn't seem to have grub, how can I specify which kernel image to boot? Sep 07 10:57:48 it uses...damn what was it Sep 07 10:57:59 syslinux Sep 07 10:58:33 afief: http://syslinux.zytor.com/wiki/index.php/SYSLINUX << this might help Sep 07 10:58:59 CosmoHill, Thanks :) Sep 07 11:59:56 about to start weekly meego-qa-tools meeting in 4mins at #meego-meeting Sep 07 12:04:18 what's it about? Sep 07 12:09:05 meep Sep 07 12:24:04 does anyone have any code exampes for sound playback in meego. im desperately trying to get sound in my game without any luck at all Sep 07 12:52:59 does anyone have any code exampes for sound playback in meego. ive converted my game code, graphics, ai, input etc all working, had no luck with sound though at all thus far. Any examples / assistance would be very much appreciated Sep 07 13:45:34 Hi, I've installed MeeGo on a N900 and want to test my own application on it Sep 07 13:46:10 then copy it to phone Sep 07 13:46:11 and test it Sep 07 13:46:16 how can I compile my app for ARM? Sep 07 13:46:22 with a compiler Sep 07 13:46:35 jacekowski: I know that I need a compiler Sep 07 13:46:53 jacekowski: but is there a toolchain for MeeGo anywhere? Sep 07 13:47:17 yes there is Sep 07 13:48:00 jacekowski: do you have a link where to find it? Sep 07 13:49:17 google.com Sep 07 13:54:28 I also read about the usage of OBS (https://build.meego.com/) but how do I register for this service? Sep 07 13:54:36 "Love is in the air..." ♬♪ Sep 07 13:59:13 Myrtti: that was long ago Sep 07 13:59:29 * sivang is reminded with childhood memories Sep 07 13:59:58 bugs are in the air too :) Sep 07 14:14:32 amjad: especially in the hot and humid summer Sep 07 15:40:47 RT: @PeterMeeGo Got an #N900? Let me know how you use multitasking. Do you keep the dashboard clean or messy? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=61869 - https://twitter.com/PeterMeeGo/status/23243718531 Sep 07 15:41:01 * lcuk thinks the feedback will be important for meego too Sep 07 15:41:24 * leinir agrees, and this is why texrat and he hope to do a bof on the topic at the conference :) Sep 07 16:12:30 hey Sep 07 16:14:45 evening quim Sep 07 16:15:17 Hi! Instant survey: Sep 07 16:15:41 Who is interested creating a Local MeeGo Network? http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Marketing/Local_MeeGo_Networks Sep 07 16:15:55 Just say whare are you based Sep 07 16:16:15 I also welcome feedback on how to make this more useful / appealing Sep 07 16:16:38 maybe link it with the l10n efforts? Sep 07 16:18:25 looks good to me though Sep 07 16:18:52 though wondering where the helsinki one is ;) Sep 07 16:19:55 qgil: looks like we could do something in Cambridge :D Sep 07 16:20:36 Link with l10n makes total sense, good point Sep 07 16:21:26 Robot101: great news :9 What about adding Cambridge as (CANDIDATE) at http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Marketing/Local_MeeGo_Networks#Networks_in_the_World ? Sep 07 16:21:35 We need to break the ice Sep 07 16:22:05 chelmsford would be a short bike ride for me Sep 07 16:22:11 cambridge has a lot of ARM activities too don't they? Sep 07 16:22:16 and I could always ask about getting a room at uni Sep 07 16:22:26 Aren't some Collabora guys based there? Sep 07 16:22:34 well, that too Sep 07 16:23:04 yes, ARM and Linaro are in Cambridge Sep 07 16:23:12 actually Linaro are getting an office like next door to Collabora's new office Sep 07 16:23:23 Robot101 CosmoHill it would be great if you could add Cambridge to that list, even if as CANDIDATE - others (like me) can help advertizing Sep 07 16:23:26 maybe they'll have the internet... it doesn't look like we will... can put a cat5 cable through their window Sep 07 16:24:26 oh, and there is the Nokia Research Center at Cambridge too Sep 07 16:24:49 if you're having a meetup, I'll be there Sep 07 16:24:57 I even happen to be in the area atm Sep 07 16:25:36 "is that the new N9" *hides phone* No, what are you talking about? Sep 07 16:26:13 where else? any other tips to break the ice? Sep 07 16:26:21 talking of Cambridgeshire, it's pissing down here Sep 07 16:26:39 I got damp on my way home and I'm 50 miles away Sep 07 16:27:02 qgil, I can do something in Iran for MeeGo Sep 07 16:27:12 * MostafaDaneshvar hopefully \ Sep 07 16:27:13 qgil: do they do any MeeGo stuff? you should introduce us so we can go and teach them :D Sep 07 16:27:18 qgil perhaps it could be used to breathe some life to CLUG. It's woefully DEAD. Sep 07 16:27:24 MostafaDaneshvar: sure (did I answer to you already? someone asked about Iran via email) Sep 07 16:27:30 do they have Juhla Mokka there? it could be a home away from home Sep 07 16:27:34 (oh crikey, I don't know how to use IRC anymore) Sep 07 16:28:00 Myrtti: debian-uk's Cambridge cabal has always totally eclipsed CLUG Sep 07 16:28:03 qgil, that was me :) Sep 07 16:28:08 Robot101: that swill is the most horr... oh, nevermind, there actually is worse Finnish coffee roasts, like Saludo. Sep 07 16:28:26 Saludo is the eternal revenge of the HR and assistants at the office. Sep 07 16:28:43 "I have a grudge against you, so I bought nothing but Saludo" Sep 07 16:28:45 "install party?" Sep 07 16:28:46 MostafaDaneshvar: please follow the simple steps to create a Local MeeGo Network in.. Tehran? http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Marketing/Local_MeeGo_Networks#Networks_in_the_World Sep 07 16:28:52 why can I think of women, wine and netbooks Sep 07 16:29:49 CosmoHill: it's called a brain Sep 07 16:29:56 Robot101: it's a bit sad really, I love Steve and all, but would be nice to have meetings more often than once a year at his backgarden Sep 07 16:30:29 (and with no fear of being stoned to death as an Ubuntu user) Sep 07 16:31:11 qgil: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Marketing/Local_MeeGo_Networks#Networks_in_the_World Sep 07 16:31:14 how's this Sep 07 16:32:28 CosmoHill: "If you are in the process of creating a new network, create a new thread at the Community Matters forum and list it here following this example: " :) Sep 07 16:32:39 but a first step is a first step :) Sep 07 16:32:42 I like to do things backwards Sep 07 16:33:00 self-reverse engineering CosmoHill Sep 07 16:33:40 Stskeeps: localization sprints added to http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Marketing/Local_MeeGo_Networks#Other_activities Sep 07 16:34:25 Stskeeps: I guess I need to contact the L10n team - now how to do this without having to subscribe to a new mailing list ;) Sep 07 16:34:41 hmm, 45 miles away Sep 07 16:35:10 qgil: start with margie, i guess :) Sep 07 16:36:15 Where else? I would expect at least 3 cities in Finland, Berlin, Oslo, London... Sep 07 16:37:01 and what about the USA? Portland, San Diego, even Boston... NYC got close http://twitter.com/gwapz/status/22848713693 Sep 07 16:37:14 I have no idea what to say on the forums. Sep 07 16:37:37 you can also help by saying why a Local MeeGo Network doesn't sound appealing to you, or not enough to break the ice in your city Sep 07 16:38:05 CosmoHill: I'll write a template right now :) Sep 07 16:38:48 "Hello everyone. Sep 07 16:38:48 Cambridge, England is a proposed city for local MeeGo meetings. Sep 07 16:38:48 Any thoughts or comments on this location for meetings?" Sep 07 16:39:09 PS woot first post! Sep 07 16:39:27 i wonder if one could be started in HEL... ;o Sep 07 16:39:31 ideally I'd like someone else to start the cambridge forum post Sep 07 16:39:53 since I've been there only once, which is more times than I've been to the forums Sep 07 16:40:18 frals: you could share with Apple if you'd like Sep 07 16:40:22 that as close as you can get Sep 07 16:42:07 hello Sep 07 16:42:09 hi Sep 07 16:42:19 woot I can haz forumz Sep 07 16:43:34 i have a question, i would like to make i own programs in c++ for meego and other plarforms Sep 07 16:44:13 so where do i start, what do i need? Sep 07 16:46:03 have you programmed in c++ before? Sep 07 16:46:29 never, only in php Sep 07 16:46:46 you're rendered my following question moot Sep 07 16:46:49 CosmoHill: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Marketing/Local_MeeGo_Networks#Listing_new_candidate_networks Sep 07 16:47:07 qgil: when's the next communit meeting ? Sep 07 16:47:20 qgil: what happened to cambridge? Sep 07 16:47:40 slaine: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Meetings#Next_CO_meeting Sep 07 16:47:41 moo, myrtti, qgil, all. Sep 07 16:47:45 moo RST38h Sep 07 16:47:51 woof Sep 07 16:47:52 CosmoHill: is in the list Sep 07 16:47:55 hey stskeeps Sep 07 16:47:56 qgil: thanks, was looking for it Sep 07 16:48:07 Let's start with a single list without country divisions? Sep 07 16:48:08 ah I see Sep 07 16:48:16 or what do you think Sep 07 16:48:31 I think I was getting ahead of myself Sep 07 16:48:53 if there's more than 5 or # in one country that should have it's own header Sep 07 16:49:09 MostafaDaneshvar: please create a candidate for... Tehran? Sep 07 16:49:10 qgil, we need also one here in HEL ;) Sep 07 16:49:29 VDVsx: indeed, I hope I don't have to chase people for that one Sep 07 16:49:37 ehhe Sep 07 16:50:01 Dublin would be another logical location Sep 07 16:50:14 VDVsx: get started organizing! ;) Sep 07 16:50:36 What kind of meetups are you all talking about? (sorry) Sep 07 16:50:36 aMeeGos? -.- Sep 07 16:50:52 RST38h: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Marketing/Local_MeeGo_Networks Sep 07 16:51:01 CosmoHill: it's the template, do what you want with it :) Sep 07 16:51:49 Stskeeps: Ah, too early for that yet, I guess :) Sep 07 16:52:23 frals, one per month shouldn't be too much work :D Sep 07 16:52:56 VDVsx: plan it for whenever im not in stockholm! Sep 07 16:53:18 RST38h: where are you? It's not too early to list a candidate place Sep 07 16:53:40 frals: Stockholm is a good place for a LMN :) Sep 07 16:54:35 so where's the forum post about Cambs Meegoes? ;-) Sep 07 16:54:46 qgil: yeah, but I'm there ~2 weekends a month so I think there are better people to do it ;) Sep 07 16:54:46 maybe it should be lcearer that starting is easy in many locations: find 4 MeeGo peers and have a dinner or some drinks once a month. That's it. Sep 07 16:54:48 * Myrtti presses F5 again Sep 07 16:54:52 if things deserve to grow they will grow Sep 07 16:55:54 qgil: Moscow Sep 07 16:56:09 qgil: But I doubt there will be enough people interested at the moment Sep 07 16:56:14 qgil, here in HEL, we already have these free Thursdays that is almost only "mobile people", perhaps some merger can work :) Sep 07 16:56:33 VDVsx: free thursdays, the what? Sep 07 16:56:52 frals, http://free-thursday.pieni.net/ Sep 07 16:57:32 oh my, very nice Sep 07 16:57:34 heh, did not know about that one :p Sep 07 16:57:35 * Myrtti considers Tampere Sep 07 16:58:30 frals, you should go, lots of familiar faces there :D Sep 07 16:59:47 VDVsx: alright, will have to go then i guess :p Sep 07 17:00:20 Stskeeps, same for you, since you're around this time :D Sep 07 17:00:38 VDVsx: we'll see how my plans look like :P Sep 07 17:02:19 "Unersponsive script" in browser, sorry I missed the last lines Sep 07 17:04:18 RST38h: Forum Nokia and http://www.fruct.org/ have organized Maemo related sessions in Moscow and there are those Maemo Russian forums with apparently good activity Sep 07 17:10:52 DawnFoster: too late for irc stats? Sep 07 17:11:36 stskeeps: definitely not too late - as usual, I'm running a bit behind in finishing them :) Sep 07 17:12:30 excellent, will just quickly do them Sep 07 17:15:56 Stskeeps: thanks! Sep 07 17:18:10 DawnFoster: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/data/irssistats.aug.html for #meego.. Sep 07 17:18:50 hi DawnFoster you were wondering about a Portland MeeGo Network... Sep 07 17:19:43 qgil: I thought I'd see if someone else wanted to start one Sep 07 17:19:57 start wut? Sep 07 17:19:59 qgil: if not, I'll probably start one after the 1.1 releases go out Sep 07 17:20:04 and after the conference Sep 07 17:20:42 DawnFoster: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/data/irssistats.dev.aug.html for #meego-dev.. #meego-arm coming up Sep 07 17:22:43 http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/data/irssistats.arm.aug.html Sep 07 17:23:39 Stskeeps: are those hours UTC ? Sep 07 17:23:43 Stskeeps: great, thanks Sep 07 17:24:05 csdb: denmark time Sep 07 17:24:23 it's obvious to see when people start lunch on the arm one Sep 07 17:24:23 :P Sep 07 17:24:36 theplic: start a Local MeeGo Network in your area http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Marketing/Local_MeeGo_Networks Sep 07 17:24:59 yay delhi! Sep 07 17:25:09 which is in india :/ Sep 07 17:26:18 theplic: There shouldn't be difficult to find 5 MeeGo peers in Delhi or Bangalore (at least) :) Sep 07 17:26:39 bangalore is too far away to organize a social meetup once a month :D Sep 07 17:27:10 but yea ill try. though how is an entirely another question Sep 07 17:29:42 hey DawnFoster Sep 07 17:29:52 hey CosmoHill Sep 07 17:31:40 just wondering, how many people in here type "forums.meego" instead of "forum.meego"? Sep 07 17:35:31 theplic: you can start adding Delhi as a candidate location http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Marketing/Local_MeeGo_Networks#Listing_new_candidate_networks Sep 07 17:35:51 theplic: it is easier to help locations once we know that there is someone interested in the area Sep 07 17:36:03 ok thanks. ill do that Sep 07 17:36:23 theplic: great! Sep 07 17:38:02 CosmoHill: I will help promoting the Cambridge candidate as soon as you create the forum, so people can leave their feedback there Sep 07 17:38:15 i also have a question. i just recently installed meego bual booted with windows 7. it was all fine till i started windows 7 from the boot menu. it kinda over-ride the boot partition and now i dont get the menu. Sep 07 17:38:15 damn you remembered Sep 07 17:38:44 i wonder if handset users are more 'service pack' hungering than what's traditional from PCs. i mean, windows xp had almost 1-2 years between service packs. ubuntu is also 6 months release schedule, so's meego... and with handsets, people are hungering for new features after what, 3 months? Sep 07 17:38:45 is there an introduction area on the forum? Sep 07 17:39:56 CosmoHill: "introduction area"? Sep 07 17:39:57 Stskeeps: 1. XP has got hotfixes Sep 07 17:40:11 Stskeeps: 2. In comparison with Maemo5, XP is pretty much bug free Sep 07 17:40:14 and people don't expect XP to do anything except run software Sep 07 17:40:16 RST38h: yes, hotfixes are bugfixes Sep 07 17:40:18 (as scary as it sounds) Sep 07 17:40:18 qgil: top of this: http://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/ Sep 07 17:40:24 *2nd from top Sep 07 17:40:36 RST38h: those exist outside release schedules in meego as well for instance Sep 07 17:40:45 Like, people ask me what software to use for burning CDs and I suggest they use XP, and they just stare at me Sep 07 17:40:50 basically a section of the forum specifically to go "hello" Sep 07 17:40:50 CosmoHill: well, there is http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3 Sep 07 17:40:51 they don't have the expectation that the OS does anything at all Sep 07 17:41:11 Stskeeps: Well, there are no meego handsets that I can try, so this argument is meaningless wrt meego Sep 07 17:41:21 my point being.. Sep 07 17:41:31 meego 1.1 for N900, and what then? bugfixes? Sep 07 17:41:32 :P Sep 07 17:41:37 CosmoHill: but that new thread about Cambridge is supposed to go to under the Community Matters forum http://forum.meego.com/forumdisplay.php?f=5 Sep 07 17:41:42 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3&page=5 Sep 07 17:41:44 done Sep 07 17:41:50 Stskeeps: Ubuntu-like process would be fine with me Sep 07 17:42:09 Stskeeps: An official repository with regular bugfixes to packages, on package by package basis Sep 07 17:42:10 RST38h: which is major release and then only fixes? Sep 07 17:42:29 Stskeeps: Actually, Ubuntu has regular releases Sep 07 17:42:43 Stskeeps: Two times a year or so Sep 07 17:42:51 yeah, every 6 months Sep 07 17:43:02 Stskeeps: But as long as the actual BUGS are being fixed promptly, I would (personally) be fine Sep 07 17:43:31 Stskeeps: You have probably noticed that the main meat of the maemo5 problem is that Nokia does not even fix the bugs Sep 07 17:43:50 Stskeeps: Sometimes going as far as classifying them as feature requests :) Sep 07 17:43:57 RST38h: s/fix/release in a package/ Sep 07 17:44:16 RST38h: still, this requires the OS to be fairly feature completel Sep 07 17:44:17 -l Sep 07 17:44:28 Stskeeps: Right Sep 07 17:44:48 Stskeeps: But Maemo5 is more or less feature complete and I expect no less from Meego Sep 07 17:45:03 Stskeeps: After all it is done by the same people with the same roadmap Sep 07 17:45:17 qgil: typing it now, seem to be having some login issues Sep 07 17:45:44 I think distros like ubuntu and fedora liberally update packages outside their 6 - 12 month major release cycle as long as the newer packages don't bump dependencies too much.. or even backport from new versions and do it outside the 6-12 month cycle.. Sep 07 17:46:08 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=8784#post8784 Sep 07 17:46:08 yep Sep 07 17:46:37 Basically, unlike Symbian, you do not need to stick with the same old fashioned SSU model Sep 07 17:47:10 Any package that does has small number of dependencies, does not require certification, and can be easily tested, should go into a repo right away Sep 07 17:47:27 all done Sep 07 17:47:30 There's that argument of Q&A to not break stuff after each package upgrade.. but that seems to just leave you with more things perpetually broken :-) Sep 07 17:47:39 some how I managed to get the same word at the start of each line Sep 07 17:47:39 And in Linux that is MOST packages :) Sep 07 17:48:03 ShadowJK: I do not see Nokia Q&A stand by this argument of theirs Sep 07 17:48:18 ShadowJK: (See PR1.2). Which probably means that the argument is fake. Sep 07 17:49:03 ShadowJK: In any case, if you break something, you can fix it quickly by uploading a different package. If you break something in the SSU, you users will have to suffer for another 6 months Sep 07 17:49:30 ShadowJK: Inventing all the wonderful ways they would use to torture you if they ever got hands on you :) Sep 07 17:49:31 RST38h: ack Sep 07 17:49:32 what i'm hoping at least with meego, is to get enough of a system that WE can extend and make better... It is maddening with Maemo5 that basically the one application we can extend, is Modest. Sep 07 17:49:46 TSCHAKeee2: and rss reader, but we're drifting Sep 07 17:49:47 can't submit bug fixes to the dialer Sep 07 17:49:49 TSCHAKeee2, hmm? Sep 07 17:49:54 and all the hildon stuff Sep 07 17:50:05 and the kernel changed many times to great effect Sep 07 17:50:09 closed the calendar and task app? REALLY? Sep 07 17:50:10 TSCHAK: You can extend way more than modest in maemo5 Sep 07 17:50:19 my point is that the current attitudes of handset updates is higher than what is on desktop pcs Sep 07 17:50:24 yes Sep 07 17:50:26 not to discuss how maemo handles it. Sep 07 17:50:37 TSCHAK: mesaging, look and feel, audio/video codecs, input methods - all these are extendable Sep 07 17:50:39 because we have a lot of spoiled brats that have migrated from the cell phone world Sep 07 17:51:08 Stskeeps: And my point is that it is only because way more things are either broken or in flux in these mobie platforms Sep 07 17:51:09 RST38h: agreed, but try to fix stuff that ppl complain about in the "phone" :P Sep 07 17:51:30 Stskeeps: Desktop is much better understood by now, both by the users and developers Sep 07 17:51:38 Stskeeps, I'm not convinced :P When installing newest fedora I pretty much expect several updates a week for the next month or two, then it tapers off to a trickle until Fedora $myinstalledversion+2 is released, when updates stop Sep 07 17:51:44 oh well, at least if you know gconf keys, you can hijack and write your own dialer Sep 07 17:52:02 so, there would be an interest in a project, let's say, on top of 1.1, that backports some features and releases something every 1 1/2 month? Sep 07 17:52:11 Stskeeps: sure Sep 07 17:52:11 or just pushes some backports Sep 07 17:52:16 and even MS has the monthly patch tuesday :-) Sep 07 17:52:20 or was it weekly Sep 07 17:52:30 Stskeeps: Yes. But less interest than in the obligatory bugfix updates. Sep 07 17:52:34