**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 08 02:59:59 2010 Sep 08 05:53:08 so repo.meego.com Sep 08 06:20:56 thiago_home: what would you make of something like http://pastie.org/1145203 ? (we just enabled -arch armv6 and CXXFLAGS got picked up by qt fine, but everything else .. :) Sep 08 06:21:20 (bottom is the interesting part) Sep 08 06:24:00 that reminds me Sep 08 06:24:05 please enabled -arch armv6 :-) Sep 08 06:24:11 we did, this is the result ;) Sep 08 06:24:36 qmake doesn't seem to have picked up CXXFLAGS with the "-march=armv6" in it Sep 08 06:24:52 yep Sep 08 06:24:55 so everything qt 'based' is with a nice red failed right now :) Sep 08 06:24:59 Qt doesn't like CXXFLAGS in the environment Sep 08 06:25:27 and please use -march=armv7-a Sep 08 06:25:33 ah, yeah, that's what i meant Sep 08 06:25:35 my initial hunch would be to set something in qmake.conf Sep 08 06:25:51 wait, this is mobility? Sep 08 06:26:10 yes, and pretty much everything building with qmake i think Sep 08 06:26:20 that explains Sep 08 06:26:29 qmake does *not* pick up CXXFLAGS from the environment Sep 08 06:26:49 right, so how do we make it pick up the right optflags? Sep 08 06:27:02 either modify an mkspec with the right flags, or re-run qmake Sep 08 06:27:38 cd $BUILDDIR; qmake -r -o Makefile QMAKE_CFLAGS+="$CFLAGS" QMAKE_CXXFLAGS+="$CXXFLAGS" QMAKE_LFLAGS+="$LFLAGS" Sep 08 06:27:56 add: $SRCDIR/projectname.pro Sep 08 06:28:03 right, we'd probably go with the solution that doesn't mean modifying every single qt package Sep 08 06:28:40 let me check if the CXXFLAGS from Qt isn't saved anywhere... Sep 08 06:29:31 no Sep 08 06:31:54 so best way is mkspec patching? Sep 08 06:36:25 could you just change the QMAKE_EXEC= definition in the configure script? Sep 08 06:37:46 Stskeeps: I faced similar issue and I have modified configure at that time Sep 08 06:38:10 well either patch it, or put the flags in mkspecs/qconfig.pri (which is installed from Qt) Sep 08 06:38:18 either way, the flags become the default for any qmake-based project Sep 08 06:41:20 Stskeeps: I have added qt macros since beta2, it sets QMAKE_*FLAGS Sep 08 06:41:39 we noticed yesterday a buildkey mismatch Sep 08 06:41:40 packagers should use %qmake ;) Sep 08 06:42:02 one of our developers was unable to get an SDK with meegotouch pre-installed, so he used Maemo5 Sep 08 06:42:08 and then the build keys didn't match Sep 08 06:42:30 which is when I noticed that we're using the slow and SMP-unsafe ARMv5 on MeeGo... Sep 08 06:43:08 fabo: what if the package offers a configure wrapper that runs qmake for you? Sep 08 06:43:50 * thiago_home thinks the script should apply the env vars, so it's a bug in Mobility Sep 08 06:43:50 thiago_home: fix the configure script (meegotouch and qt-mobility are these cases) Sep 08 06:45:29 I agree Sep 08 06:45:45 report it at bugreports.qt.nokia.com for Mobility Sep 08 06:46:15 ok Sep 08 06:50:38 Stskeeps: I'm starting to fix the packages, instead of modify Qt mkspec Sep 08 06:52:31 thiago_home: do you know how the developers are writing the configure script for QMake based project? Sep 08 06:52:46 form scratch, template, or something else? Sep 08 06:53:12 fabo: uhm, that sounds painful Sep 08 06:53:23 fabo: did you see how many packages there are? :P Sep 08 06:53:46 Stskeeps: painful but IMHO the right way... Sep 08 06:54:03 i'll just quickly read backlog Sep 08 06:55:04 fabo: next question.. does spectacle use %qmake? Sep 08 06:55:08 Morning, all Sep 08 06:55:21 Morning Jaffa .-) Sep 08 06:55:27 lbt: ping (seen http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-September/005525.html ?) Sep 08 06:56:00 Stskeeps: I sent a patch to spectacle people, with qmake builder, it will set the qt macros Sep 08 06:57:03 so for qmake calls, a developer should set QMAKE*FLAGS as appropriate and for configure wrapper, these scripts should be fixed. Sep 08 06:58:00 right.. my worry is that this is more of a 1.2 thing, as if i was a distro engineer i would freak at all qt packages suddenly being modified.. Sep 08 06:58:12 what's the problem with modding mkspec? Sep 08 06:58:13 fabo: from scratch Sep 08 06:58:49 fabo: .. and that we can't afford at the moment to have ARM dead for a week while discussions are made :P Sep 08 06:59:08 Stskeeps: the standard Qt way is to have an mkspec specific for your device Sep 08 07:00:11 so the easiest solution for now is to have the flags appended to mkspecs/linux-g++/qmake.conf in Qt Sep 08 07:00:22 that will propagate to all qmake-based packages Sep 08 07:00:32 Stskeeps: I can mixup, use mkspec now Sep 08 07:00:56 think it's just important to get the issue fixed soon, or we lose -arch armv6 :P Sep 08 07:00:59 but I prefer to have the packages fixed in the long term Sep 08 07:01:10 yeah Sep 08 07:01:16 no disagreement there Sep 08 07:01:27 though i am wondering about the rationale of not picking up CXXFLAGS in the first place :) Sep 08 07:01:47 no rationale, it's qmake :) Sep 08 07:02:03 it doesn't play well with env var Sep 08 07:02:12 :nod: Sep 08 07:03:20 * fabo replies to Peter for the action plan Sep 08 07:04:25 also, if you have time sometime, could you take current qt and try to build it on community OBS? it feels weird to me it takes so long time on meego OBS and takes an hour on community OBS Sep 08 07:04:42 ok Sep 08 07:05:00 if it's still faster on cobs, i'll prod dl9pf to see what is the issue Sep 08 07:12:34 #meego-meeting at irc.freenode.net Sep 08 07:58:53 humdidumdi Sep 08 07:58:57 moin peeps Sep 08 08:02:03 hi Sep 08 08:02:03 mirek2: have you looked to my changes to libmeegotouch before submitting? Sep 08 08:02:43 is there some "packman" equivalent for Meego that provides vaapi/vdpau enabled package for mp3/mp4/... playback ? Sep 08 08:03:48 considering that nvidia driver isn't even supported... i doubt it Sep 08 08:04:07 vlj, you'd probably have to package up the gstreamer ffmpeg module too Sep 08 08:04:21 well vaapi is intel supported at least ;) Sep 08 08:04:24 I'd done it for MoblinV2, but haven't had time for meego so far Sep 08 08:04:47 slaine: where did you put such package ? Sep 08 08:05:06 I hosted it on my site, one of the other reasons I held off, to see how a community repo would pan out Sep 08 08:05:15 ok Sep 08 08:07:58 * vlj will receive his ac 100 tonigh *happy* Sep 08 08:08:27 hope it can boot on sd card Sep 08 08:08:45 OOF. Meetup require a subscription plan? Sep 08 08:08:53 * Myrtti looks at her credit card Sep 08 08:09:42 Where can I find the kernel sources used to build the Meego-netbook image? Sep 08 08:10:13 afief: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-os-base/kernel-source Sep 08 08:11:39 vlj, I'm getting a fatal error trying to clone that one "http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-os-base/kernel-source/info/refs not found: did you run git update-server-info on the server?" Sep 08 08:12:23 afief: you ran "git clone git://gitorious.org/meego-os-base/kernel-source.git" ? Sep 08 08:12:56 argh, sorry just tried to clone the link you gave me Sep 08 08:13:40 oh bother Sep 08 08:36:09 Stskeeps: pong Sep 08 08:36:42 dl9pf: ah, nothing conclusive yet - we were just wondering why it takes so long time to build qt on build.meego while we see 1hour builds on community OBS Sep 08 08:37:21 I cloned the kernel-source repository but it only seems to contain script and spec files. Am I missing something? :S Sep 08 08:42:44 you have patches too Sep 08 08:42:59 lo zenvoid Sep 08 08:43:20 hello Stskeeps :) Sep 08 08:43:21 kernel is build from vanilla kernel (at kernel.org) and then by applying patch Sep 08 08:43:27 (IMHO) Sep 08 08:43:30 zenvoid: how's it going? Sep 08 08:44:43 Stskeeps: good, I've made a new sb2 from scratch based on fakechroot :D Sep 08 08:44:49 zenvoid: hehe Sep 08 08:45:02 not needed anymore for meego, I know Sep 08 08:45:31 well, there's MADDE coming up :P Sep 08 08:45:47 but since you had a powerpc.. :P Sep 08 08:46:58 I'm currently cross-compiling lucid for smartq, it will take a while though :) Sep 08 08:47:41 zenvoid: how do you cross compile ubuntu ? Sep 08 08:48:04 with a software I've created :P Sep 08 08:48:16 ho k Sep 08 08:48:26 I should publish it in a few days Sep 08 08:48:51 vlj, thanks, will do that Sep 08 08:49:09 a little help. We are settign up Meego Network Tampere and we would need "MeeGo project can subsidize (Meetup) the first 6 months if your proposal is convincing" Any ideas who should I contact? Sep 08 08:50:15 Meego Network Tampere ? Sep 08 08:50:28 yes, local group Sep 08 08:50:38 vlj: based on fakechroot, basically just ld_preloads the exec call so when you exec an arm binary, it executes the same command under qemu (or from a native twin chroot) Sep 08 08:50:39 what does that mean ? :$ Sep 08 08:50:53 vlj: see http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Marketing/Local_MeeGo_Networks#Networks_in_the_World Sep 08 08:52:25 ok Sep 08 08:55:00 I think it can be compared to LUG, kind of same thing/idea Sep 08 08:57:23 ali1234: did you got a non sse3 working meego ? Sep 08 08:57:41 no Sep 08 10:27:32 * CosmoHill dances cos he's now got his uni email on his laptop Sep 08 10:28:33 :) Sep 08 10:30:11 got it on both of my laptops :) Sep 08 10:30:30 I'd rather have a program running in the background for email that logging onto a website Sep 08 10:31:40 depending on the service you might be able to Sep 08 10:31:51 I've tested it Sep 08 10:31:58 got both laptops open with mail open Sep 08 10:31:58 ah Sep 08 10:32:02 :) Sep 08 10:32:17 selected an email on one and marked it as read, the other updated shortly afterwards Sep 08 10:32:22 it's MS Live@Edu thingy Sep 08 10:33:55 ooerr Sep 08 10:33:57 I like that my Junk mail says it has 8484 emails in it Sep 08 10:34:00 :P Sep 08 10:34:12 I'm suprised they don't just use outlook Sep 08 10:34:28 my uni have outlook web access set up Sep 08 10:34:28 * CosmoHill hides his windows laptop Sep 08 10:34:44 :) Sep 08 10:34:46 we had exchange 2003 but moved to this MS live thingy Sep 08 10:34:51 ah Sep 08 10:35:00 and they turned off pop and imap? Sep 08 10:35:11 which I've setup with mail and outlook within a day Sep 08 10:35:20 I'm using IMAP at the moment Sep 08 10:35:23 :) Sep 08 10:35:47 my GMail gets all my mail, then i get mail from that via IMAP Sep 08 10:35:49 the trick was to figure out that your username and email adress aren't the same Sep 08 10:35:59 like it should be! Sep 08 10:36:17 I hated servers which use the whole email address as the login Sep 08 10:36:17 they're both at @student.uni.ac.uk Sep 08 10:36:28 it made Eudora break :( Sep 08 10:36:32 :o Sep 08 10:36:42 well instead of cosmo.hill@student Sep 08 10:36:48 Eudora needs username@pop.mail.com Sep 08 10:36:53 it was CH54@student Sep 08 10:37:09 so if it's student@uni@pop.mail.com it goes 'wtf?' Sep 08 10:37:21 wtf Sep 08 10:37:39 because you log into pop.mail.com with your login Sep 08 10:37:43 I have mail on mac and outlook 2010 on windows since I just bought it Sep 08 10:37:51 not used outlook since 2003 or something Sep 08 10:38:36 outlook is silly Sep 08 10:40:01 never used outlook Sep 08 10:40:23 but then again, I don't use MS OS Sep 08 10:41:07 I think the only reason I'm using it is because I can Sep 08 10:41:22 what I should do is what I do with web browsers Sep 08 10:41:29 use thunderbird on all the computers Sep 08 10:41:37 I have to use outlook at work :( Sep 08 10:41:43 Despite having a linux desktop Sep 08 10:41:44 version? Sep 08 10:41:48 okay... Sep 08 10:42:01 aladds: :( Sep 08 10:42:03 we have vmware with outlook in it Sep 08 10:42:18 just outlook? Sep 08 10:42:19 it's completely stupid Sep 08 10:42:24 totally Sep 08 10:42:27 office is installed too, but i don't use it Sep 08 10:42:40 that's a waste of proccessor and ram resources Sep 08 10:42:44 yes Sep 08 10:42:58 slowly, everyone's moving over to this setup Sep 08 10:43:19 my uni laptop is kitted out with lots of pricey software :/ Sep 08 10:43:19 i really hope they work some other mail/calendar/room bookings/etc system up Sep 08 10:43:53 lotus notes :o Sep 08 10:44:07 hah lotus :) Sep 08 10:44:10 :P Sep 08 10:44:44 for email? Sep 08 10:44:48 no idea Sep 08 10:44:56 we used to use lotus for email Sep 08 10:45:07 god damn! Lotes notes still alive! lol Sep 08 10:45:08 aladds: could you not use webmail for outlook? Sep 08 10:45:23 yes, but then the calendar and stuff doesn't work properly Sep 08 10:45:50 it 'sort-of' works with evolution's outlook plugin Sep 08 10:46:00 but loads of stuff is broken Sep 08 10:46:13 like reading new messages (ones already read are fine Sep 08 10:46:18 ) Sep 08 10:46:58 yeah I noticed that I read an email on outlook live and it didn't mark it as read Sep 08 10:47:03 basically, until evolution is fixed, or they change the mailserver, everyone's going to have to use outlook in vmware Sep 08 10:47:37 i guess it does at least make it easier to fix windows if it breaks Sep 08 10:47:50 wouldn't it use less resources to have people remote desktop to a VM or windows server which accepts multipole connections? Sep 08 10:47:52 just swap in a new vmware image :P Sep 08 10:48:13 i don't run the it setup, but yes it probably would Sep 08 10:48:14 ctrl + z for a whole OS Sep 08 10:48:31 i actually quite like the idea of a terminal server Sep 08 10:48:47 for businesses, that is Sep 08 10:48:58 i have a thin client at home in my shed Sep 08 10:49:08 I think i need to install it on my headnode Sep 08 10:49:23 diskless, so the temperature fluctuations don't kill it :) Sep 08 10:49:51 I use vnc from it though, there's not a windows box in the house :) Sep 08 10:50:06 I had some thin clients I was gonna try and turn into firewalls Sep 08 10:50:15 binned the lot of them Sep 08 10:50:24 depending on the spec they can be more than capable Sep 08 10:50:33 some of them are a little bit wonky though Sep 08 10:50:52 (IRQ issues usually) Sep 08 10:51:47 hmm Sep 08 10:51:59 I think I can make up some boot scripts that WOL other computers Sep 08 10:52:25 so you turn on one computer then go away to make some coffee, you come back and all 20 are turned on and running Sep 08 10:54:06 tekojo: ubuntu? Sep 08 10:56:47 kubuntu maverick :) Sep 08 10:57:08 close enough Sep 08 10:57:10 I still believe it every time it tells me to do things Sep 08 10:57:48 can you give an example? Sep 08 10:58:13 'you need to reboot' :) Sep 08 10:58:38 sounds like windows Sep 08 11:02:51 * CosmoHill is still pleased that he's gotten rid of the need to login to uni's webmail within a day Sep 08 11:41:09 how can i create account to access "https://build.meego.com/" Sep 08 11:42:40 contact an intel or nokia representative ? ;) Sep 08 11:43:24 hack your way in ;) Sep 08 11:46:00 probably writing 3nda and lla/pla Sep 08 11:46:13 this is type of "open source" work going on? I was thinking i should be able to get access easily and or alternatively there should be another way to build MeeGo Sep 08 11:47:29 MeeGo is closed source project? Sep 08 11:48:10 no, the source is all available! Sep 08 11:48:19 No, but which other open source project do you know which has no vetting process for contributors? :) Sep 08 11:48:42 bkrawal: open source does not mean you can build the project Sep 08 11:49:21 symbian for instance is open source, but you cannot build it without rtcw (which is not free) Sep 08 11:50:23 bkrawal: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=615 Sep 08 11:50:37 bkrawal: currently I have the same problem Sep 08 11:50:54 bkrawal: but if you just want meego for ia32 you can use the sdk Sep 08 11:51:41 I am using Android in lot of solutions and it is very easy for anyone to build complete solution Sep 08 11:52:38 vlj: so open source means just have chunk of source code and keep watching it :) Sep 08 11:53:30 leinir: Try with Android and you can see the difference Sep 08 11:55:16 bkrawal: it's easy to build a complete solution on MeeGo too, you're just not familiar with the project itself Sep 08 11:55:36 yup Sep 08 11:55:50 Fabo, how should it be done (as a hint to bkrawal?)? Sep 08 11:56:14 fabo: You might be right, can you point me to some document from where i can start Sep 08 11:56:33 bkrawal, "open source" means exactly this - you have access to the source. it does not mean that anyone is required to give accounts, processing resources, hardware access to you. Sep 08 11:56:40 let's start by image creation: look at mic2, get ks files or write them for your project. Sep 08 11:57:07 then you'll need to take a look to the packages. Sep 08 11:57:17 hello guys Sep 08 11:57:51 one simple question: will meego become available for nokia n8 in the future? Sep 08 11:58:04 bkrawal: http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation_For_Beginners Sep 08 11:59:19 bkrawal: get ks files from http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-os-base/image-configurations/trees/master Sep 08 11:59:39 fabo: looks great document, thanks a lot Sep 08 11:59:56 and continue like that, test yourself, if you have problems ask on the channel Sep 08 12:08:02 fabo : mic is not a pure rebuild however Sep 08 12:24:37 mbatle: hey im back.... about that git hash u gave me... i need the url to access it right Sep 08 12:27:39 luist, in http://www.gitorious.org/meego-garage you have the urls of the 2 git repos Sep 08 12:48:34 Hi all Sep 08 12:48:51 can anyone help me with osc build command Sep 08 12:49:05 if i wanna build against a particular repo how do i do that Sep 08 12:49:24 I tried the below and had a problem: Sep 08 12:49:24 logoel@Lucky:~/OBS/home:logoel/fennec-qt$ osc build --no-verify Trunk standard i586 Sep 08 12:49:25 Building i586 for Trunk/standard Sep 08 12:49:25 Unknown build type: ''. Build description should end in .spec, .dsc or .kiwi. Sep 08 13:34:08 is there anything like Visio for N900? DIA should run, but I've not found it in repository. Sep 08 13:43:58 who is integrating openGL to meego ? Sep 08 13:45:09 device vendors? Sep 08 14:09:39 Hi Sep 08 14:10:23 is there someone? Sep 08 14:20:10 * CosmoHill has a awesome dog in his house atm Sep 08 14:20:21 Cat > Dog Sep 08 14:21:41 is anybody facing build problem because of opengl stuff in armel targets? Sep 08 14:21:43 Im so gonna have to hover after he goes Sep 08 14:21:54 lokesh: yes, it's getting fixed Sep 08 14:22:01 whats the bug ? Sep 08 14:22:06 who is fixing it ? Sep 08 14:22:16 qt maintainers Sep 08 14:22:23 * CosmoHill has one hand to type with Sep 08 14:22:29 CosmoHill: tmi Sep 08 14:22:30 ;P Sep 08 14:22:34 otheris stroking fog Sep 08 14:22:38 stfu Sep 08 14:22:39 when can we expect it fixed ? Sep 08 14:22:49 CosmoHill, is that what you named yours? Sep 08 14:22:59 he's called bobby Sep 08 14:23:11 Your cat? Sep 08 14:23:15 dog Sep 08 14:23:17 I don't have a cat Sep 08 14:23:31 technically I don't have a dog but right now I do Sep 08 14:23:52 Termana,I never heared that they name a cat 'bobby' oO Sep 08 14:25:04 Oh, so you really did name your sergeant fog? Sep 08 14:25:14 Stand to attention Sergeant Fog Sep 08 14:25:17 I was trying to type dog Sep 08 14:25:22 f is between d and g Sep 08 14:26:33 CosmoHill, Likely story when your being questioned for treason against the channel Sep 08 14:27:50 I think Sergeant Fog is a fantastic name for a dog. Sep 08 14:31:33 to relocate or nor that is the question :) Sep 08 14:35:27 mbatle: can i use the git version of garage-client-services with that old meego netbook-ui? Sep 08 14:42:38 luist, there are some changes Sep 08 14:42:49 it will not work Sep 08 14:42:54 mbatle: :P Sep 08 14:42:58 luist, you can try just to merge the diffs in your code Sep 08 14:43:11 mbatle: there are sooo many diffs Sep 08 14:43:31 http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/bobby.jpg Sep 08 15:44:54 does anyone have any info on using an IRC client on meego? i found this http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=978 . the guy says to just mark the file as executable. but that doesnt work. Sep 08 15:45:13 ive been googling for about 2 days and i cant find any info on getting any irc client on meego Sep 08 17:22:13 * Stskeeps drops a pin Sep 08 17:22:21 * theplic picks it up Sep 08 17:22:25 hi Sep 08 17:22:44 How do meego and maemo compare? Sep 08 17:22:57 maemo's a user product, meego's a platform Sep 08 17:23:17 Technically... Sep 08 17:23:41 maemo has a lot of ancient components Sep 08 17:23:43 meego's up to date Sep 08 17:23:56 Are they both operating systems? Sep 08 17:24:00 yes Sep 08 17:24:08 Based on Linux? Sep 08 17:24:22 yes Sep 08 17:25:14 Does meego deviate from linux more than maemo (will there be greater difficulty compiling normal linux software for it)? Sep 08 17:26:15 less, i'd think Sep 08 17:26:49 under the hood, (ie, below x), is is basically the same? Sep 08 17:27:23 with the main difference being a custom window manager optimal for phone? Sep 08 17:28:25 it uses a typical gnu userland Sep 08 17:28:57 which reminds me Sep 08 17:29:32 mbatle: well that development version of garage has too many changes... i cant update mine right now... do you have any idea on how to solve that bug that i told you? Sep 08 17:30:39 luist, not yet, I'm doing bug fixing now on latest trunk so I might be able to reproduce Sep 08 17:30:51 luist, can you provide info on how to reproduce Sep 08 17:31:16 mbatle: well its reported in the that bug you sent to me Sep 08 17:31:36 yes, the problem was that only happens from time to time Sep 08 17:31:38 bobby has gone :( Sep 08 17:32:08 luist, any extra info you have from your own research ? Sep 08 17:33:21 mbatle: well it seems to happen with all backends... Sep 08 17:33:30 ok Sep 08 17:36:33 mbatle: i have no idea how to reproduce the bug exactly... it happens "sometimes" when installing or removing :P Sep 08 17:43:14 wb Sep 08 17:51:15 hey Stskeeps Sep 08 17:56:36 DawnFoster: intel terminology, what's a 'AR'? Sep 08 17:56:54 Stskeeps: Action Required Sep 08 17:56:55 (Action Required?) Sep 08 17:56:56 ah, thanks Sep 08 17:57:03 in other words, work :) Sep 08 17:57:24 are Intel people assigning ARs to you already? Sep 08 17:57:48 well, need to check up on some bugs, but seems so :) Sep 08 17:58:01 can we fix bugs? Sep 08 17:58:07 sure Sep 08 17:58:09 ARs build character Sep 08 17:58:25 im too old to build character Sep 08 17:58:52 theplic: yes, please :) more details about the process for submitting patches to fix bugs: http://meego.com/about/contribution-guidelines Sep 08 17:58:56 can we suggest ui improvments? Sep 08 17:59:37 or will the ui remains like the one rite now? Sep 08 17:59:38 theplic: sure, those go in as feature requests, I think Sep 08 17:59:49 ok Sep 08 17:59:59 we'll always be improving and evolving things Sep 08 18:00:30 ok Sep 08 18:00:48 * microlith runs away from ARs Sep 08 18:02:47 microlith: you can't run from ARs - the best way to assign them is when someone's back is turned :) Sep 08 18:03:37 I know I can't run, my entire group is former intel ;-; Sep 08 18:03:39 hehe Sep 08 18:32:16 i just installed meego aside my windows 7 install. everything ent fine till i ran win 7. it over-rided the boot partition made and now my boot list menu doesnt load. it goes straight to windows :/ Sep 08 18:33:53 theplic: this thread has some hints for dual boot with windows (XP, at least - maybe some win 7 buried in there, too: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=1900#post1900 Sep 08 18:34:08 thank you Sep 08 19:08:45 Stskeeps: what add ons do you use for openttd? Sep 08 19:08:54 CosmoHill: big maps Sep 08 19:11:29 guys the delhi meego network proposal is on the forum Sep 08 19:11:58 want me to add it to the wiki? Sep 08 19:12:21 CosmoHill helping again :) Sep 08 19:12:36 I like helping :) Sep 08 19:12:43 that's nice Sep 08 19:13:40 okay why do I have "log in" and "log out" Sep 08 19:14:32 a webpage with split personality? Sep 08 19:15:59 I'll add Buenos too Sep 08 19:16:12 would be nice if the person who did the forum post did an english version too Sep 08 19:18:30 hmm, already added Sep 08 19:20:03 that's funny. My first thought was to write first in English and then in Finnish... Sep 08 19:20:24 which I did Sep 08 19:21:01 am I turning to 'english' personality of what :) Sep 08 19:21:09 s/of/or/ Sep 08 19:21:09 kyb3R meant: am I turning to 'english' personality or what :) Sep 08 19:23:34 DawnFoster: presenter info on TSG meetings looks really good, should help make the meetings less painful in some scenarios Sep 08 19:23:37 it was argantianian Sep 08 19:23:42 if that's a language Sep 08 19:23:44 nice feature with the bot, but might become annoying overtime Sep 08 19:23:45 or word Sep 08 19:24:20 Stskeeps: Thanks! I'm hoping it will help - we've had a couple of painful examples of lack of preparation Sep 08 19:25:18 there's a meeting tonight? Sep 08 19:25:29 it's not tonight is it Sep 08 19:25:35 it's now isn't it? Sep 08 19:25:40 don't panic - next week :) Sep 08 19:25:44 oh good Sep 08 19:25:58 i'm trying to get people prepared - agendas, presenters, etc. Sep 08 19:26:02 cool Sep 08 19:26:08 swear jar? Sep 08 19:26:11 I always start my work on the TSG meetings about a week in advance. Sep 08 19:27:15 DawnFoster: hrm, not sure if it's mentioned, but if there's a requirement for 24 hours in advance, eventual presenters should know when they're getting scheduled for that particular TSG Sep 08 19:27:54 yeah, that work starts a week in advance :) Sep 08 19:28:01 :nod: Sep 08 19:28:10 it's the confirming the agenda that seems to take all week Sep 08 19:28:57 I already have the presenters identified for next week, now I just need to get Imad / Valtteri to agree with me :) Sep 08 19:29:01 hehe Sep 08 19:29:41 i'm wondering if we should start having training sessions on IRC.. there seems to be an increasing amount of developers in the project and not all of them know how to develop meego Sep 08 19:30:17 w00t had started something like that - we should check with him. Sep 08 19:30:21 :nod: Sep 08 19:30:28 now would be the perfect time to get it started Sep 08 19:30:37 that might be useful Sep 08 19:30:43 simple OBS tutorials would be good, too Sep 08 19:30:46 some of our developers gave up trying to compile qtcomponents for meego Sep 08 19:30:53 and they are experienced scratchbox users... Sep 08 19:32:26 worst part is that it's actually bloody easy P Sep 08 19:32:28 :P Sep 08 19:33:43 lbt mentioned about packaging and obs sessions Sep 08 19:34:01 hrm Sep 08 19:34:12 blah, harbaum left Sep 08 19:34:23 well, developing requires two things: toolchain and sysroot Sep 08 19:34:25 where are they? Sep 08 19:34:54 well, to build you need an OBS.. developing is a wider term Sep 08 19:35:59 developing an app for MeeGo Sep 08 19:36:08 not developing MeeGo Sep 08 19:36:11 but you're right Sep 08 19:37:40 i mean.. Sep 08 19:37:49 i would be even happy with a sometimes-crashing sdk Sep 08 19:38:32 I would be happy with a sysroot Sep 08 19:38:35 does the Nokia Qt sdk allow meego target? Sep 08 19:38:43 lcuk: not yet Sep 08 19:38:48 thiago_home: we do have sysroot images built, just not in a rather friendly form Sep 08 19:38:51 teach us how to add it, and we'll add it :-) Sep 08 19:38:51 or is the MADDE environment still just targetting maemo Sep 08 19:38:53 on repo.meego.com Sep 08 19:39:06 Stskeeps: yep, I know. You have to know how to extract that from the boot image. Sep 08 19:39:08 thiago_home, you are meant to say to meego "patches welcome" ;) Sep 08 19:39:11 :nod: Sep 08 19:39:24 hi Sep 08 19:39:28 hi Sep 08 19:39:28 thiago_home: ping Sep 08 19:39:32 thiago: ping too Sep 08 19:39:32 afterall, thats whats said everywhere else :P Sep 08 19:40:32 vlj: pong Sep 08 19:40:51 ok Sep 08 19:41:17 see rpm school on wiki lcuk Sep 08 19:41:18 thiago_home: does the qt sdk for msvc 2008 works with visual studio 2010 ? Sep 08 19:42:02 the Qt SDK for MSVC 2008 works with MSVC 2008 Sep 08 19:42:02 lbt, i was relaying that you already had things in motion - and since its part of the topic, drop a link Sep 08 19:42:11 why would you think it works with anything else? Sep 08 19:42:13 :-) Sep 08 19:42:30 not only MSVC 2008 only, it's the *specific* service pack level that we used in our build farm Sep 08 19:42:30 I was hoping for some kind of backward compatibility Sep 08 19:42:43 hm Sep 08 19:42:48 http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging#Packaging_School Sep 08 19:42:50 huh? Backwards compatibility? It's microsoft we're talking about... Sep 08 19:42:52 :-) Sep 08 19:43:02 they haven't learned that concept yet for C++ Sep 08 19:43:02 lcuk: sorry... I'm actually working on the LDAP servers now... too busy for a bit :) Sep 08 19:43:41 ok !unco last post :P Sep 08 19:43:44 undo even Sep 08 19:43:49 so I need to rebuild msvc from source completly if I want to use the things I have on my computer Sep 08 19:43:55 vlj: yes Sep 08 19:44:06 vlj: be careful: MSVC 2010 64-bit builds are useless in release mode. Sep 08 19:44:27 will use 32 bits Sep 08 19:44:46 seems to have less trouble than 64bits version Sep 08 19:46:07 there is no way to do a parrallel build of qt on windows ? Sep 08 19:46:18 there was some "dom" tools Sep 08 19:46:24 or j something Sep 08 19:46:35 but it was available only i qtcreator Sep 08 19:46:49 jom Sep 08 19:46:54 jom yes :) Sep 08 19:46:58 "jörg's own make" Sep 08 19:47:15 hmm didnt know what it stand for before Sep 08 19:47:18 vlj: btw, you're welcome to ask these questions in #qt and #qt-labs Sep 08 19:47:22 ok Sep 08 19:47:25 kinda off-topic for MeeGo... Sep 08 19:47:53 well Meego is a targeted platform for qt ;) Sep 08 19:49:13 yes Sep 08 19:49:21 but MSVC and Windows aren't Sep 08 19:49:30 they're hosts for developing for MeeGo, though Sep 08 20:07:33 DawnFoster: btw, one really difficult thing for openness which probably exists in open projects too in general - the tendancy of not using mailing lists, but those mails that go to sets of people like thinking 'this mail should go to chief architect, CO, this and this maintainer..' - i think this is quite heavily embedded in corporate cultures as well Sep 08 20:08:12 agreed - this is something we struggle with right now, and I've been trying to change that mentality Sep 08 20:08:21 but it takes time for some people Sep 08 20:08:34 I'm hoping a larger number of more targeted lists will help Sep 08 20:08:44 you want people to use the mailing lists more? Sep 08 20:08:47 :nod: i'm not sure how to solve it either as i catch myself doing it too Sep 08 20:09:34 when there's a hierarchy of sorts/nominated roles, it 'feels' natural to do it like that, so it's a interesting trap :) Sep 08 20:11:51 Stskeeps: It's easy for open source projects to fall into that trap when they go from one developer to two: suddenly there are emails to discuss things, but no need for a mailing list. Which prohibits any progression of lurker to contributor. Sep 08 20:12:51 jaffa, well, happens in other fields too .. i recall an advice to someone starting phd studies, get included in the CC lists of people's mails :) Sep 08 20:13:43 jaffa, and i'm well aware of the consequence of this behaviour Sep 08 20:14:24 Stskeeps: Indeed. Sep 08 20:14:59 Stskeeps: I know I've been doing it with Hermes when Fredrik Wendt started getting properly involved Sep 08 20:18:11 but it's also about where the line goes on open development.. ie, what's the 'optimal' vs 'realistic and practical' Sep 08 20:18:35 i mean, F2F meetings can be bad for open development, but is good for development in general Sep 08 20:20:23 as long as you post the discussions and conclusions from the f2f meeting, it should be ok Sep 08 20:20:39 note I didn't say decisions Sep 08 20:21:37 i still think there's some degree of merit to my 'best practices of working in a meego team' document.. i mean, as in, what's generally attempted/what is strived for Sep 08 20:24:34 Stskeeps: But any modern organisation can't get too reliant on f2f meetings - people travel and get left out of the loop, or work from home and so on. Sep 08 20:24:41 :nod: Sep 08 20:24:49 A problem faced at my work unfortunately :( Sep 08 20:25:00 we're just expericing the typical problems of a distributed company :) Sep 08 20:25:09 Yup :) Sep 08 20:27:17 and as such, even in a given workplace you have to pick your battles.. do i participate in the company summer party organisation and get all information flow about that, .. impossible to keep track of everything Sep 08 20:27:44 in the end there'll be someone communicating what was agreed in whatever group was in charge of whatever effort Sep 08 20:27:47 :P Sep 08 20:27:55 (which then sometimes gets protested..) Sep 08 20:29:18 right, time for me to sleep, more work tomorrow Sep 08 20:29:20 bbl Sep 08 20:29:29 Stskeeps, your post about best practices should be together with a link :) http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_Best_Practices_for_working_in_a_MeeGo_team Sep 08 20:29:35 it makes excellent reading Sep 08 20:30:30 Hi Sep 08 20:30:47 Can anyone helpl me please? Sep 08 20:31:43 I want to know how to connect my wireless usb internet device (HSIA) to meego! Sep 08 20:33:07 is that a 3g or similar device? Sep 08 20:33:13 rockhopper, what happens after you plug it into your usb? Sep 08 20:33:47 It detects it as a usb storage device! Sep 08 20:34:04 does it have storage on it!? Sep 08 20:34:14 could be multifunction Sep 08 20:34:16 lsusb? Sep 08 20:34:18 Yes it has, there's a windows drivers in it! Sep 08 20:34:28 oh, nice Sep 08 20:34:29 No, its functioning in ubuntu Sep 08 20:34:44 can you see which drivers ubuntu loads for the device? Sep 08 20:35:00 you could perhaps plug it into ubuntu and check then what drivers it uses Sep 08 20:35:00 When in ubuntu, I installed usb-modeswitch to make it detect it as a usb internet device Sep 08 20:35:12 usb-modeswitch Sep 08 20:35:46 does those .deb files work in moblin or meego? Sep 08 20:36:08 no Sep 08 20:36:10 they will likely work about as well as the windows.exe you have ;) Sep 08 20:36:37 Does .exe files work? Sep 08 20:36:45 I mean the drivers Sep 08 20:36:52 no Sep 08 20:37:52 people have been looking into getting usb-modeswitch into meego Sep 08 20:38:17 Bus 002 Device 003: ID 12d1:140b Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. Sep 08 20:38:25 this is what's being detected! Sep 08 20:38:48 try eject -s on it Sep 08 20:38:52 sometimes that's enough Sep 08 20:38:54 rockhopper: you can try the rpm's posted here: Sep 08 20:38:56 http://download.meego.com/live/home:/quanxianwang/testing/i586/ Sep 08 20:39:25 that will allow you to flip the device to 3g/modem state Sep 08 20:39:32 I'm not sure what else you need then Sep 08 20:39:35 but it's a start Sep 08 20:39:39 Ok! Sep 08 20:39:50 It that the only available option? Sep 08 20:40:17 Did anyone try to get usb-modeswitch for meebo like in ubuntu? Sep 08 20:40:23 you also need this probably Sep 08 20:40:25 http://download.meego.com/live/home:/quanxianwang/testing/noarch/ Sep 08 20:40:32 the -data rpms Sep 08 20:45:37 auke: Shud i download the usb-modeswitch-1.1.4-3.1.i586.rpm or the usb-modeswitch-1.1.4-6.2.i586.rpm? Sep 08 20:47:55 brb Sep 08 20:52:42 nocy dobrej wam (good night) Sep 08 21:07:02 auke: Hi Sep 08 21:07:02 auke: can you give me the links that you gam\ve me earlier for the usb-modeswitch! Sep 08 21:08:11 rockhopper: http://download.meego.com/live/home:/quanxianwang/testing Sep 08 21:15:24 auke: Lol i have a funny situation here! Sep 08 21:15:45 when i try installing usb-modeswitch, it says failed dependancy usb-modeswitch-data Sep 08 21:16:03 and when i try installying -data, it says failed dependancy usb-modeswitch Sep 08 21:16:04 :( Sep 08 21:16:10 silly Sep 08 21:16:20 rpm -i --nodeps Sep 08 21:16:27 use that to install them Sep 08 21:17:01 the person who made them just barely made them a few days back Sep 08 21:17:06 they're "experimental" Sep 08 22:21:56 if I were to ask about IA-64 in here, would I get the same people as last night? Sep 08 22:23:58 on the joggler images what do I have to do to get networking/sound back up? Sep 08 22:29:00 nope Sep 08 22:31:07 supid kernel versions Sep 08 22:34:15 IA-64 as in Itanium ? Does it still exist? Sep 08 22:34:22 it does Sep 08 22:34:50 not nearly on the level of the x86-64 chips, however Sep 08 22:41:46 I'm thinking of getting one of them Sep 08 22:42:37 IA-64 is not e Sep 08 22:42:42 worth the money Sep 08 22:42:50 it's £150 Sep 08 22:43:51 for £150 you can get a nice 64 bit athlon machine, and it will run meego exactly as well as itanium :) Sep 08 22:44:15 lol Sep 08 22:44:22 better Sep 08 22:44:37 last computer I bought on ebay doubled in price when you included the postage Sep 08 22:44:46 arfoll, http://jogglerwiki.info/index.php?title=MeeGo#MeeGo_on_the_Joggler for networking. Sep 08 22:45:11 well yeah, don't buy PCs on ebay unless you can collect Sep 08 22:45:16 Itaniums never came in small sizes.... Sep 08 22:45:21 arfoll, sound is covered in other areas of the wiki Sep 08 22:46:05 it's £150 with postage Sep 08 22:46:16 it's still not worth it Sep 08 22:49:38 I kinda wanna buy it but it costs money Sep 08 22:53:42 vgrade, nah turns out kernel version was all wrong - so I started again Sep 08 22:53:56 CosmoHill, it's a silly idea Sep 08 22:54:17 i know Sep 08 22:54:47 if you really want it go for it, buy you really have to want obscure hardware for the sake of it. Sep 08 22:55:37 on ebay you can get some cheap opterons and a dual CPU board for not too much money Sep 08 23:00:55 I'd use it for CLFS dev work Sep 08 23:10:47 night all Sep 08 23:11:10 bye vgrade Sep 08 23:14:43 * csdb remembers he has a tray of old opterons lying around somewhere in the basement Sep 08 23:16:50 oo? Sep 08 23:17:31 alternative heating system? Sep 08 23:17:49 oh yeah. Sep 08 23:18:10 I used to run folding@home in the winter in the mornings before I got out of bed Sep 08 23:18:56 used to pack 144 opterons/rack, each 12-opteron node consumed something like 3.5Kw Sep 08 23:19:05 A/C was big... Sep 08 23:19:32 ... Sep 08 23:20:05 is there a way to get more features in the n900 version of xournal? Sep 08 23:20:12 one thing that annoyes me is when people come into my lab* and use a computer Sep 08 23:20:34 then they leave they've left the computer and AC on and it will be days before someone else come sinto the lab Sep 08 23:20:46 * it's not my lab but as I'm the only user i concidering it as such Sep 08 23:27:27 back to meego. Anyone know why the gstreamer rpm in the Meego repo says its 0.10.30 but the .so files inside the rpm say 0.10.26 ? Sep 08 23:27:38 The doc directory in the rpm says 0.10.30 Sep 08 23:37:20 cyas Sep 08 23:59:24 where is OSU ? Sep 08 23:59:29 what city? Sep 09 00:05:15 lbt Corvallis, Oregon ... Sep 09 00:06:00 drupal, helpfully, doesn't have those options... Sep 09 00:06:15 is LA close enough? Sep 09 00:06:47 it wants to set the timezone... but I guess php users are too .... ?? ... to cope with that Sep 09 00:07:05 so now I need a damned US geography lesson Sep 09 00:07:24 Ya, LA is in the same time zone .... Sep 09 00:07:30 thanks Sep 09 00:16:54 lbt: is the community OBS receptive to new users yet? Sep 09 00:18:56 csdb: I am installing LDAP right now Sep 09 00:21:39 auke: I've installed the usb modeswitch! and it still doesn't recognise my cdma device as 3g.. its showing it as a usb storage device Sep 09 00:27:18 lbt: sounds close :-) Sep 09 00:28:19 csdb: yeah... still a matter of weeks-not-days... we're working on security policy stuff since it'll be in the meego infra area Sep 09 00:28:27 anyhow... bed Sep 09 00:28:30 l8r Sep 09 00:28:39 lbt: is LDAP going to lookup current wiki.meego.com users or a separate LDAP DB? Sep 09 00:30:37 ok - ttyl Sep 09 00:35:00 does anyone know how to isntall tcl on moblin or meego? Sep 09 01:00:32 test Sep 09 01:11:41 bitshuffler: there are 2 obs servers. One is for internal use (Intel, Nokia), and lbt is setting up a community one, but I just asked him a little while ago and the response was: csdb: yeah... still a matter of weeks-not-days... we're working on security policy stuff since it'll be in the meego infra area Sep 09 01:13:00 * csdb responded on the wrong #channel Sep 09 02:59:16 something that might be of interest: http://mobilefoss.jamespurser.com.au/Call_For_Papers **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Sep 09 02:59:57 2010